Nobody's Year: CHAOS (57 B.C.E.)
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- Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2016
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11:50 lmao even in street fights they left the third line in reserve
Lol nice catch
Just in case another army arrives late lol
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Romans being romans !
Yep.
It is astonishing how much we know about political beefs that went down more than 2000 years ago! Romans sure as hell knew how to document things!
Jack the Gestapo sounds fun
Jesus. What state did that?
@@thanesgames9685 Electives are usually a district thing. They most likely cancelled it because the only teacher qualified to teach it had to leave or had too many other more popular classes to teach.
@@eewweeppkk gather your leigons.
Except when they would purge the records of individuals they didn't like, and then historians of the time would lie about those figures because they didn't like them.
"Again, in a dispute with Cicero, Metellus Nepos asked repeatedly ‘Who is your father?’ ‘In your case,’ said Cicero, ‘your mother has made the answer to this question rather difficult."
😂😂
"And, sadly, it will only get worse." cheerful music starts playing.
God when planning 2020 & 21
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@@somedood07God planning 2023 and 2024
I don't understand how the Senate couldn't handle the situation, like juste saying :
"Yo Claudius, swords are forbidden, you killed some random people in the streets of Rome, stop that or we will arrest you."
They had no power at all? No armed forces that could be called in case of emergency?
they could, but he was a popular senator
But mass shooters are getting arrested (or killed), Clodius didnt, so thats a pretty big difference.
I'm assuming Clodius' potential arrest or execution would cause even more unrest among those who favoured him, which were many at the time. If the Senate stopped Clodius, his supporters would only act even more violently and direct all their anger towards all senators, not just those who openly defied Clodius. Besides, I remember reading somewhere that there wasn't an actual patrol service like sentinels or guards. The patricians would employ hired thugs like mafia lords would employ "soldiers" as bodyguards and henchmen for dirty work, but there was no official public security service to guard the streets. The romans were expected to behave because tradition and etiquette wanted so, but there was nothing to stop you if you meant to rob someone as long as you could get away with it.
Don't take my words for fact though, this is only my subjective point of view and I may have gotten some things wrong, most likely.
Rome at the time lacked any sort of real police force, and soldiers weren't supposed to be allowed into the city. It wasn't until the time of Augustus that Rome had something that could be sort of recognized as formal firefighters or police. Rome didn't even have anything to place to imprison people en masse. There wasn't any sort of prison system, only jail before trials.
Frankie King
Then if there were no actual prisons where convicts would serve their time, what would happen to someone judged guilty after a trial? As in, what were the sentences/penalties other than execution, exile and enslavement/forced labour? The payment of a fine? Corporeal punishments? Penal colonies? Or were there prison facilities outside of the capital in some remote area of the Republic?
The more I hear about the late republic, the more I think there should be a whole TV series about it, at the style of House of Cards. It should go from the time Caesar was still a Quaestor until the Ides of March, or maybe going all the way to Octavian becoming emperor.
Bruh I’d love this
There is a HBO Rome series that’s pretty good
Yeah there already is one. HBO Rome
Yeah we need better HBO Rome
You’re right. We DO need a TV show about Rome. One that ISNT canceled after two seasons >:(
I wonder if in 2000 years some alien will make a hologram about western politics in 2016 and upload it to Space-tube.
If they won't I will be disappointed
No, they will hopefully still talk about Rome!
As long as they do everything with squares and rectangles it will be good
Cameron Hutchinson we wil do it ourselves
pitman man well he did say holograms, so it'd probably be cubes
My favorite thing about this series is that it shatters this long standing idea that Rome was some kind of stable super lawful nation
Like, sure they loved their laws and they wrote lots and lots of them, but stability and legitimacy was always in question
From a modern perspective we think of a country and a government as things that are very rigid but in Rome, things were always in flux, always changing with those who were able to grab control
I think the political history of Rome is interesting for just that reason.
Depends on what period you are talking about I think. They had their moments of stability, but also their moments of 'lol not'.
I gather it will continue to be the case until the end of the world.
That really only became the case in the last years of the republic, from 244 AUC when the king Lucius Tarquinius Superbus was expelled to the beginning of Sulla’s civil war in 641 the republic was remarkably stable. However that stability was dependent on everyone following the conventions of the Roman state, which were first written in the Twelve Tables in 305 AUC and consistently updated and reaffirmed to meet the changing needs of the republic.
The republic was a complex machine that required all parts in working order which made it quite delicate, but when that machine was working it was very stable. The problem was that Sulla took a cudgel to that machine and men like Pompey and Caesar refused to allow it to be fixed. Saying that the republic itself was bad or unstable is like sitting on a horse with four broken legs and one eye and then saying that it’s problems come from a bad bloodline.
@@dingustm617 Rome had structural problems long before the Virgin Mary was a twinkle in her mother’s eye. By the time that Christianity was on the rise in the empire Rome was already doomed, if anything the actions of Constantine and his successors prolonged the life of the western empire and helped to secure the east. Please stop repeating Gibbon’s weak thesis.
Pompey fixing the grain shortage? I thought he would've abandoned Rome, fled to Greece and not take enough initiative
He needed the support
You just described Brutus after Caesar's assassination
Best. Title. Ever
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@@end.olives if give it 6.5
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There will come a day when you will no longer be making these videos, for one reason or another, and I will miss them dearly. There may come a day when RUclips is no longer there at all.
So for now, I'm glad we live in the god damn golden age of the Internet.
Thanks for existing, bro. Keep it up.
true amazing that we live during the golden age of the internet, lets hope the internet doesn't end up like rome
i will make them then
Corey Messick
Holy shit, how many videos do you have? Mother of god.
I miss when the internet took effort and a bit of know how to use. Now any gibbering fool can use it and spread their poop all over it.
There will be something better by that time.
Fun fact: Not only did Metellus Nepos get into it with Cato the Younger, but right before that, out of spite over the Catiline executions, he did the same thing to Cicero that Clodius did to Bibulus, keeping Cicero from speaking at the end of his consular term. It took a while for Cicero to forgive him for that.
Oh wow. Poor Marcus.
*I would like to recommend a trilogy of books written by Robert Harris. Told from the view from Tiro, Cicero's secretary, slave and good friend, it's some of the best historical fiction that I have ever read in my life. It basically covers Cicero's rise in power and fame all the way until his downfall. The characters and dialogue are so well written that you feel like you're apart of the story*
Yea I’ve read one of them it’s good. Read I Claudius that’s good too
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I stopped arguing about the US election when I got this vid notification lol
I literally laughed out loud when I read those comments....
The power of boners is always stronger... unless Historia Civilis releases a new video.
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The normal boner just evolves into a history boner.
C'mon man that's a disgrace. You know damn well you are supposed to have both porn and this video going at the same time. How else is Debbie gonna do the Roman Senate?
I love this guy. He's so educational but makes the learning really hilarious.
Never stop, Historia Civilis.
653k subs is not okay. This is 2.5m subs content
um achually, the subscreber count change
@@dingustm617 its not that he butchers the names its that the language does, and it would be pretty weird if he suddenly gained a perfect roman accent in the middle of his sentence lol
@@dingustm617 fair
He definetly deserves way more than he is getting but in a way i prefer him being a small channel. It's like going to a local quality restaurant compared to a popular chain restaurant.
Please show us how it gets worse! Love this content!
Read Cicero's Pro Milone.
Basically: Milo kills Clodius in a fistfight, gets sued, Cicero comes to the rescue but gets laughed at (wrote a neat speech though), so Milo gets kicked out of rome. Milo later writes Cicero after reading his finished speech that if he would have held that speech he couldn't enjoy such good food outside of italy now (because he wouldn't have been banished).
You just got spoilered on things that happened over 2000 years ago.
Bro, spoilers!
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He just left us with blue balls!
Cihat Duman
Clodius dies, Milo gets banished.
I love how he ties all his videos together with references to the previous videos and sets it up like a story. Hail Civilis.
yea stuff like that is great!
(also good mumei pfp)
Hah, I was just thinking to myself that it had been a while since your last video.
it's been awhile since you were last awake
Octavian Augustus Caesar
Augustus !!!
Do you still have nightmares for the teutoborg forest ?
@@greco-romanfanboi7054 you sent him back into the PTSD zone. Why did you say those words?!
I can’t believe how contemporary this all sounds. More so today than when the video was published.
You know what's funny? I've never heard of your channel before. And lately, I've been watching a lot of videos on Warhammer 40k. So I saw this is in my recommended videos section. Saw the channel name "Historia Civilis" (which for those who don't know is the same style of naming used by the Imperium in 40k). After seeing the name, I thought "Oh ok, another channel about 40k, presumably about it's history." I saw the name of the video, specifically the word chaos. I thought "must be about some chaos heresy event I never read about." I started the video, and then was surprised to find it was just about actual history and had nothing to do with 40k.
That's pretty funny right? Anyway, here's a free subscriber.
Same style of naming... you mean, latin?
HIGH GOTHIC
To be honest that's what almost drove me away, I imagined "must be something about 40k"
Later I realized it was latin
"then was surprised to find it was just about actual history and had nothing to do with 40k"
Insert chortling here.
Look at this fascist piece of shit lmao
how exactly did clodius not get arrested? and sentenced? him and his group of thugs went around murdering people and there were witnessess including senators who saw him do it. even with ceasar and pompeys support it should be an open and shut case.
RandomAsshole I have Goldsworthy's "Caesar: Life of a Colossus" and I'll quote from it a bit regarding Clodius.
RandomAsshole "Too many of the great men had some link or other with the Claudii and saw no reason to break with Clodius on behalf of a "new man". In the middle of March ... Cicero fled the city to go into voluntary exile, and soon passed into deep depression." Then Clodius put forward a bill formalizing the exile.
RandomAsshole after the end of this video, where Clodius is elected aedile. He tries to prosecute Milo for political violence (lol) but Milo had Pompey and Cicero on his defense team, so that didn't work. Anyway, this goes on for years until Clodius is killed when his and Milo's supporters met each other on the Appian way. The next day, his supporters brought his body into the Senate House and burned it down.
You underestimate the power of the Triumvirate. If the Triumvirate said it was raining then it was raining regardless of the actual weather. They had the Plebs, Army, Money, Land, and prestige.
Leetsarge Good ending I guess.
Why isn't there a TV series covering all of this? I know HBOs Rome kinda does but that's the end of the whole story.
Netflix actually just put out an original series about Commodus, Marcus Aurelius' kid who was emperor for 12 yrs, like 2 centuries after this vid though
What is that series called?
***** Thanks :)
Ben Scott There is that, but it’s not that interesting because Commodus was just a shitty politician and he did absolutely nothing to advance Rome’s military gains either to make up for it. I prefer the days of the Republic or early Empire, where politicians were good generals too; not the era of these spoiled emperors, who had a spoon in their mouth their whole lives.
HBO’s Rome was supposed to be much more lengthy. But it was too expensive to produce and the series was truncated to only the major events lasting 2 seasons.
I feel like I'm watching some sort of soap opera with this XD
The TV series Rome should have focused on this instead of making new up charcaters just to show the lower class perspective.
zach trausan History is like that. It's taught boringly, but the details and context make more interesting.
Example; ever hear of John the Just of Portugal? The guy had a secret romance with a princess, whom his father hated. His father had her murdered. John rebelled against his father, hunted the killers and personally ripped out their hearts. He then serenaded about her till his death years later. He was a popular king, but they don't go into details in text books about how nuts the court politics were.
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I know we've said it before, but this is Nobody's Year: CHAOS (2020 A. D.)
I have to say I love your video. The narration is excellent. The visual, even if they are simple, do a perfect job into understanding the situation and the whole structure is easy to follow. Great job.
I'm currently reading 'Dictator' by Robert Harris and I love how I read the indeapth 'semi fictionalised' accounts and then you get get a sort of overview of the chapters in these videos! just ties it all together!!
(I highly recommend the books in that series btw)
*Looks at thumbnail* yay! another cgp grey video!
*Starts watching* this isn't cgp grey! wait what channel is this?!?
*Looks at channel name* I don't remember this channel...
*Looks at channel picture* oooh! that history channel with the awesome battles of the squares!!!
Pretty much
Alex Stefanov Why is this so relatable.
Aronnch 2016
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It's hip
After everything that happened this past year (2020/Jan21) this episode hits differently
For sure
"Nobody's year: Chaos (2020 CE)"
2:19 It seems like this suddenly became relevant again.
"Furthermore, I am of the opinion that @HistoriaCivilis must make more videos about the Late Roman Republic." Cato The Elder
I really laughed on the part when Cicero discovered his home turned into a *FRIGGIN' TEMPLE!*
A beautiful dick move that no one replicates today.
Also is this year when the cracks between Caesar and Pompey become wider?
It's crazy because in 2020, people actually tore down statues of historical figures and erected shrines in George Floyd's honor. When you consider this, it's actually sort of similar.
@@MegaFIare bruh
Greetings from 4OCT2020! We've got similar partisan clashes of armed mobs in America right now. It's reassuring in a weird way to know that we're not the only republic that's had strife like this.
CHAOS is my favourite consul
Did the Romans not have police or something?
Tommy Tom I'm gonna guess they didn't, because the entire idea of the city of Rome was for it to be free of weapons.
Up until a couple centuries ago, almost no governments had law enforcement. It didn't exist. The state in the vast majority of civilizations was relatively weak.
No. Rome was a pre-police state.
Praetorian Guard, but that is later. Urban Cohort as well. But it's not really police. More like, martial law.
They had lictors, but that was about it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lictor
4:24 Somehow I hear Ceasar call "This is violence!" 😅 Well done Historia Civilis, you are in my head now ^^
All praise Chaos Undivided!
expect nurgle, he's a groos fuck
blood for the blood god!
Undivided, you say? Can you not see the glorious machinations of Tzeentch at play?
A Warhammer reference was inevitable...
Divide et Impera!
This series is soooooooo good.
It is not entirely honest to claim Clodius brought it to a whole new level. How can you forget Tiberius Gracchus, where The opposing senators obstructed his re-election by gathering a force and had Tiberius with 300 of his supporters clubbed to death in front of the forum. Or what happened to his brother 10 years later.
This
Yes, but clubbing is not swords. Sure blood was spilled in both cases, but the Gracchus brothers' incidents did not involve swords. Swords were the big forbidden thing.
Sorry but a club is not a little innocent thing and is in no way less harmless than a sword. The club is dangerous weapon utilized in some of the most efficient armies through history.
Look up the Aztec, the Inca, the Iroquois, the Egyptians, the Zulu, the Chinese Kanabō, the Japanese Samurai tetsubo, the British WW1 trench raiding club, heck the mace is a straight descendant of the club.
No weapons were not allowed inside Rome, so to circumvent this the gangs armed themselves with extremely deadly walking sticks, just like the Irish later one would with their Shillelagh (google it, it's not a nice thing and you’d pee yourself facing these even if you were to armed with a sword).
When the winners claim to have been dragged into war against their will and only just so happened to be able to raise their own armed forces in nick of time in a so called weapon free zone, your alarm bells should begin to ring, especially when the same people have a history of mass murder of their political opposition and executions without trial in a culture which is proud of its legal system.
I am not bashing your video, I am just hoping to expand your horizon. :) History is a complicated thing, we can't even agree on our current history, like things that happened during presidential elections anno 2016 or if the failed coup attempt in Turkey really was a victory for democracy or if the Russian bombings of Syria truly ar to combat terror (heck even the American bombings are a mixed bag).
I apologize if it seemed like I was saying that the club was less harmless, or that the death by clubbing is insignificant.
But my point, and I think that the point of this video is that swords inside Rome was a great bit of symbolism, because well, the Roman army used swords, not clubs. This was a big symbolic action that Clodius was bold enough to put army like people in Rome.
And yes, the prior death matters quite a bit at the time of the Gracci. Symbolism also matters quite a bit in the public conscious about what the social conventions are. Not that any of your points are invalid, it's just different focuses on the complexities of history.
But that happened 80 years before so not really recent climate, a precedent at most.
There's an odd comfort that comes from watching these and knowing politics in our time is relatively tame.
At least there aren’t street gangs in every city that stab each other 24/7
@@CC-tl3zs uhhhhhhh
Make another one! This was great!
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MVP is Cicero, hands down. His end is very unfortunate.
I wait for your videos every week, you really set the stage well to make it all relate-able.
Thanks!
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Love these videos. Keep up the fantastic research.
Outstanding video as always!
These can't come out quick enough, thanks for all your hard work!
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You uploaded 15 minutes before I have to leave for work, perfect!
I really love your videos man. I watch them every time they come out as soon as I can.
One thing I would really love to see is that you would make a playlist in order of the best way to watch certain periods of time so that everything is able to be grasped at once and no critical information is in a video from a year ago, etc. When a new video only comes out once or twice per month, it's hard to remember what took place in the previous video when watching the current one, not to mention the fact that the chronology of your videos jumps around as you release them. You're still doing great things, keep up the good work!
he actually did it wow
Great video, can't get enough!
One of the channels I anticipate new content from the most! Keep up the great work!
I literally check ur channel every day to see if u uploaded a new video.. YAS
Great content, friend keep it up!
I have been waiting for ever for the next part of this video series to happen
thanks for depicting things as accurately as you can
What a channel!!
All this feels so surreal. The way everything is documented. The way this is animated and how the narrator speaks. The Romans sure did preserve their history well. They were way ahead of their times. This feels so familiar yet happened thousands of years ago
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Man you truly do a great job here!
Congrats, keep up the good work!
Truly inspiring and really helpful !
This channel is an absolute favorite.
this sounds oddly familiar to recent events...
I breathed a sigh of relief when I saw your notification. It's going to be a good evening,
Love your channel. Its so polished and you bring up topics that people wouldnt normally look up.. pay attention to... care about.. Youre doing great. thanks for this and all the others.
I love your chat bubbles. They make me laugh every time! One thing I love about your videos is that they make history fun!
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I have a bunch of clones.
You are like Palpatine ...Jeb
it's his year again
Loved it very much, thank you and already looking forward for more :)!
Thanks for the new video, you the man.
These are genuinely the videos i get most excited for on youtube
Milo: I'm gonna stop this violence the only way I know how, with MORE violence!
Your videos are JUST TOO GOOD!
Great work.Love the break down.Your right in your homework here.
3:51 you cant stump the milo
Wow, destroying someone's home and building a potentially long-term staying temple there so that he can't ever rebuild there is savage.
So much hatred from Clodius towards Cicero...
Amazing work as always! Thanks!
I absolutely LOVE your channel.
If clodius" actions were illegal (armed men in Rome), why was he never stopped?
When there's enough chaos and/or support for people such as Clodius it may not always be possible to stop them.
If the actions of the Mafia/Yakuza/Cartel are illegal why is nobody stopping them? Why are prominent criminals allowed to be public figures?
To understand the past just look at the present. Once you find the parallel you might just predict the future as well.
I don't know if you're inherently anti-Claudias or pro-Milo but Claudias really comes across as the bad guy.
Claudius was not a great guy but I think I have heard more negativity about Milo than was mentioned here. But it was a while ago that I red it so I am not sure. And that might happen later.
Sara Samaletdin Would be interesting to see the differences, do you by any chance have any good sources on Milo?
I went back and watched the video on Clodius because my first reaction to this video was "Damn, why does Clodius have to be such a dick?"
Gotta remember, he was the dude that got outed for crossdressing while attempting to seduce Cesar's wife. Dude was fucked up.
bobrussle exactly he didn't come out good in that video and kind of broke the democracy of the republic and here he comes out even worse.
clodius created milo through his actions
Wonderful as always
I literally just watched all of your videos.
someone needs to make a roman empire themed game where everyone is a square
GOD'S BE PRAISED! EVERY ROMAN CAN NOW REJOICE BECAUSE HISTORIA HAS RELEASED A NEW VIDEO!
Awesome! Keep them coming, please!
I love watching these!!!!!
I think 2020 might take this title
Holy crap!! Someone please explain to me - how was this possible?
It appears as everyone knew that Clodius was responsible for the violence. He was breaking the laws. He was apparently SHOWING himself together with his gang of criminals when they were committing murders in Rome? Why wasn't he put to trial or told/pressured to stop? Did senators have immunity? I understand that he, as a political figure, might have had strong support, but Cicero's was even stronger, right? And his deeds are just OUTRAGEOUS.
Despite them appearing equal Caesar was the boss of the Triumvirate and the Triumvirate were all powerful in Rome and Clodius had Caesars support (more chaos was good for Caesar).
Caesar wasn't the boss of the Triumvirate, especially at this point.
Mataeus The Apostate He really was, he was the person who started it and whom it revolved around which can be seen in the fact that Pompey and Crassus start bickering as soon as Caesar leaves Rome and they do not really stop until they meet Caesar at Lucca.
Both Pompey and Crassus danced to Caesars tune and it took serious convincing and Crassus dying before Pompey was willing to betray Caesar and even then it was tentatively and he had the entire senate on his side (practically).
Nothing happened in the Triumvirate without Caesars say so and yet Crassus and Pompey were often undermined by Caesar and each other.
Crassus even admits that he is inferior to Caesar and yet he acts like Pompey's equal.
Rome did not have a police. And Claudius had armed guards and a lot of support. But this story continues from here...
Great Alexander
No he really wasn't. He didn't have the same amount of prestige or auctoritas at this point among the romans. He may have been able to manipulate them on some major points, and he would eventually gain the most from the relationship, but it was only ever a working relationship as long as all three felt they were profiting from it. They were all getting something from the deal, and Caesar needed them as much as they needed him. BTW, Where did Crassus ever admit that he was Caesar's inferior?
I really appreciate your work.
With a heavy heart I hope that your videos will be around to show my children.(maybe I should try and download them)
You are a great speaker and obviously a great story teller and sincerely interested in the world before our birth.
Ave
I really like your videos; to think you can find a very happy place with boxes and plain lettering. Its AWESOME! GREAT WAY TO DO IT! SINKS IN MAN! GREAT JOB!
Who is here after 6/01? XD Seems fitting.
All those blm antifa riots don’t count tho
I was thinking this very thing too,that's why I looked this up again.
You mean 01/06?
@@heathenpride7931 he's European or Canadian or Australian.
I’m here after 2 billion in property damage bc of riots over a guy who OD’d in police custody.
9:48 Always imagined Cicero to be like Jericho
I love your videos, and I always learn something new. Keep up the awesome work!
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dude I always get so fucking depressed when your videos end
Came back here to listen to that very relevant line "When it's no longer safe for Senators to go about their daily business you know the political violence is out of control" 11:15
Seeing this in my subs feed made my day!
Your videos are on point. Good job man.
YES! Love your videos my good sir! :)
This all sounds familiar.
shits really starting to get real! i love these videos man, been subbed since less than 10k, keep up the awesome work!
Great vid man