Ranking The 100 Best Movies Ever Made || Sight and Sound Poll 2022

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  • Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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  • @gnalagans3754
    @gnalagans3754 Год назад +46

    Intro - 0:00
    Breathless (1960) - 3:59
    The General (1926) - 4:55
    Once Upon a Time in the West - (1968) - 5:47
    A Man Escaped (1956) - 7:08
    Ugetsu (1953) - 8:00
    Metropolis (1927) - 9:35
    The Gleaners and I (2000) - 11:01
    The Third Man (1949) - 12:50
    Goodfellas (1990) - 13:54
    Casablanca (1940) - 14:20
    Parasite (2019) - 15:25
    The Earings of Maddame De (1953) - 16:50
    La Dolce Vita (1960) - 17:50
    Daughters of The Dust (1991) - 18:54
    Sans Soleil (1982) - 20:27
    Contempt (1963) - 21:41
    Blade Runner (1982) - 22:26
    Sherlock Jr. (1924) - 23:10
    Battleship Potemkin (1925) - 24:21
    Moonlight (2016) - 25:31
    The Apartment (1960) - 26:30
    Chungking Express (1994) - 27:18
    Fear Eats the Soul (1974) - 29:27
    News From Home (1976) - 31:45
    The Piano (1992) - 32:52
    The 400 Blows (1959) - 34:26
    Ordet (1955) - 35:11
    Wanda (1970) - 35:49
    Barry Lyndon (1975) - 37:12
    North by Northwest (1959) - 38:48
    Killer of Sheep (1977) - 40:19
    The Battle of Algiers (1966) - 41:14
    Stalker (1979) - 42:02
    Rashomon (1950) - 43:41
    Bicycle Thieves (1948) - 44:42
    Touki Bouki (1973) - 45:30
    The Shining (1980- 46:21
    Rear Window (1954) - 47:22
    Some Like it Hot (1959) - 48:51
    M (1931) - 50:24
    The Spirit of the Beehive (1973) - 51:10
    City Lights (1931) - 52:15
    Pather Panchali (1955) - 53:12
    The Leopard (1963) - 54:29
    L'Atalante (1934) - 55:50
    L'aaventura (1960) - 56:36
    Get Out (2017) - 58:58
    Psycho (1960) - 1:03:56
    Sátántangó (1994) - 1:04:43
    8½ (1963) - 1:06:45
    Portrait of a Lady on Fire (2019) - 1:07:54
    Histoire(s) du Cinéma (1998) - 1:09:30
    Tropical Malady (2004) - 1:11:10
    Yi Yi (1999) - 1:13:11
    Mirror (1975) - 1:15:22
    Taxi Driver (1976) - 1:16:38
    Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (1975) - 1:17:58
    Shoah (1985) - 1:21:55
    Daisies (1966) - 1:23:39
    The Night of the Hunter (1955) - 1:24:45
    Au hasard Balthazar (1966) - 1:25:49
    PlayTime (1967) - 1:26:51
    Late Spring (1949) - 1:28:00
    Do the Right Thing (1989) - 1:28:54
    Seven Samurai (1954) - 1:29:32
    Apoaclypse Now (1979) - 1:30:29
    Persona (1966) - 1:31:32
    Meshes of the Afternoon (1943) - 1:32:47
    Close Up (1989) - 1:34:04
    The Searchers (1956) - 1:35:43
    Andrei Rublev (1966) - 1:37:02
    Cléo from 5 to 7 (1962) - 1:38:34
    The Passion of Joan of Arc (1927) - 1:39:26
    Pierrot le Fou (1965) - 1:40:26
    The Godfather (1972) - 1:41:45
    A Brighter Summer Day (1991) - 1:42:53
    Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927) - 1:44:52
    La Règle du jeu (1939) - 1:46:34
    Black Girl (1965) - 1:47:36
    Singin' in the Rain (1951) - 1:48:24
    Man with a Movie Camera (1929) - 1:49:51
    Mulholland Drive (2001) - 1:51:57
    Blue Velvet (1986) - 1:53:18
    Beau travail (1998) - 1:54:28
    In the Mood for Love (2000) - 1:55:47
    Tokyo Story (1953) - 1:57:24
    2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - 1:58:47
    Vertigo (1958) - 2:00:18
    A Matter of Life and Death (1946) - 2:04:34
    Modern Times (1936) - 2:06:14
    Céline and Julie Go Boating - 2:06:58
    Sunset Boulevard (1950) - 2:08:21
    Spirited Away (2011) / My Neighbour Totoro (1988) - 2:09:41
    Sansho the Bailiff (1954) - 2:11:09
    Imitation of Life (1959) - 2:12:17
    Journey to Italy (1954) - 2:13:41
    La Jetée (1962) - 2:15:07
    The Red Shoes (1948) - 2:16:28
    Citizen Kane (1941) - 2:17:51
    Outro - 2:19:50
    Now as far as my experiences go with these movies, I have heard of a majority of these, but I've only seen like... one and that's City Lights by Chaplin. I definitely enjoyed it and it was pretty damn innovative for it's time but that's really all I can say, not one of my favorites but then again I still have a long way to go with this type of medium (I'm pretty new to film and exclusively watch animated films, weird but that's how I roll). Great video, sold me on some movies, gonna watch some of these someday.

  • @yoanastoyanova
    @yoanastoyanova Год назад +64

    How is diversifying the voter pool putting a thumb on the scale? That's basically saying that a more homogenous (white and male) voter pool is the fair, neutral situation, and allowing a more diverse group of people (who are also critics, and not just random people chosen only for their demographics) to have a say in what constitutes great cinema (something produced and enjoyed by a similarly diverse populace) is biased. I think claiming that shows bias - white and male, the old guard, whatever we call them, are not in fact neutral - quite the opposite. The list reflecting a variety of perspectives and personal experiences with cinema makes it more accurate, not less. You yourself commented on how Tropical Malady gets something about gay stories and experiences that many other films don't. Maybe straight people won't recognise that and consequently won't have that connection with the film, it won't speak to them in the same way. I imagine it's the same with Jeanne Dielman and women - women who rarely see their actual reality or viewpoint or experience of the world on screen. If a film was overlooked earlier, it's not necessarily because of its quality, maybe it's because it wasn't being seen by receptive eyes or the issues it tackles or the approaches it favours aren't necessarily a priority for the earlier, more homogenous voting pool.
    Allowing a polyphony of voices on cinema enhances its power. I would actually argue that diversity *is* in itself a merit, and it adds to quality, if we look at cinema as a whole. Showing the world through widely different eyes and experiences of it enriches the art that is filmmaking, because it helps humans put together a bigger piece of the mosaic that is our collective human condition.

    • @tati3861
      @tati3861 Год назад +9

      beautifully put

    • @ellenolenska9141
      @ellenolenska9141 8 месяцев назад +4

      Voter choices based on new concepts of equity to sort of even things out and correct omissions or perceptions of unfair bias in the past would put a thumb on the scale - and that's exactly what appears to be happening. Epic movies that were long recognized as major achievements, like Gone With the Wind, are now left off the list because of efforts to "correct" or do over history.
      Movies that show the reality or experience of certain women that haven't been shown before aren't necessarily the best movies ever made. One can appreciate that they show a new or refreshing perspective. Doesn't make them great.

    • @yoanastoyanova
      @yoanastoyanova 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@ellenolenska9141 But that's the exact opposite of what I said - it's NOT voting based on new concepts of equality or even on any concept of equality, it's voting based on what those particular voters felt was poignant or important to impactful or spoke to them personally. The more varied the background of those voters, the more varied the list, because different things move different people based on their life experience, their history with film, their personal history. When a demographic monolith votes, of course they'd find the same things important or moving. And what's historically been considered "great" is exactly that - what voters (and critics, and producers, and scholars, and directors, etc.), historically, have singled out as great. Which is inevitably influenced by their own understanding, life experience, and, obviously, biases. There's no objectivity here and there never was. The only difference now is the people who have a say on what's considered great span a greater range of human experience.

    • @yoanastoyanova
      @yoanastoyanova 7 месяцев назад

      I mean, it's pretty telling in itself that we to take it for granted the people who built the canon (white western men) were impartial and possessed some kind of absolute objectivity when it comes to quality, but modern critics and filmmakers are all biased and subjective.

    • @ellenolenska9141
      @ellenolenska9141 7 месяцев назад

      @@yoanastoyanova Yes, there is bias all around. Both now and in the past. It's my opinion that people are trying to over-correct omissions in the past by building up films that reflect the popular opinion at the moment - that facts of our history were bad so need to be ignored. Or because white men have been dominant throughout most of Western history, their accomplishments or views now need to be diminished. I agree that a wider range of opinions is good. However, the people selected to contribute their lists should be recognized as film experts able to assess what makes a film "great."

  • @michaellisinski2822
    @michaellisinski2822 Год назад +8

    Not offended by its placement here at all, but I love Blade Runner because I love the way it comments on social justice in an abstract sense. Not that there's anything wrong with highlighting specific social issues obviously, but I think the way Blade Runner does it almost gives us a kind of parable.
    It immediately gets us on board with the idea that Replicants are evil, and then throughout the film it slowly unwinds this idea until we realize that the Replicants are doing all of the stuff they're doing out of desperation because they're condemned to lifelong slavery and an early death. Ideally it makes us reflect on how quickly we (along with Deckard) went along with the idea that they needed to be destroyed, just for escaping their work colony. This is made even clearer when (spoiler alert for a movie from 1982) it becomes clear in the end that Roy Batty wasn't just some mad murderer, but really wanted his experience recognized as worthy and valuable, and doesn't want to die without his experience being recognized as something worth remembering. It's not just about what it means to be human, but who we treat as human and who we don't.
    I feel like that message is applicable to almost every social issue, and I feel like it's useful to have a story like this to just hammer out these themes of freedom vs oppression in a way where no one's going to get caught up arguing over the details of the 'real-world' context. I also think the movie does this subtly enough that it doesn't come across as preachy and encourages the viewer to draw the lesson themselves.
    And also it looks cool!
    (Unrelated edit: Chungking Express in god-tier would also have my full endorsement.)

    • @rickyrewind
      @rickyrewind Год назад +1

      Feel so similarly!!! I think about the “tears in rain” monologue almost every day 🥹

  • @arthuryeahyeahyeah
    @arthuryeahyeahyeah Год назад +7

    You uploading a new video feels like walking down the stairs on Christmas morning to be honest, please keep it up as your videos are always super interesting, informative and so well articulated! Thanks to this one things like The Leopard, Yi Yi, Safety Last and Grizzly Man are now high up on my radar, not sure if they would have been otherwise.
    Also thought you might find this funny, but I'm Belgian and when word got out that Jeanne Dielman made it to number one on this prestigious international best-of-all-time-ranking, I was absolutely stunned... because I had never heard of this movie at all and neither did any of my friends (even though I'm definitely a bit of a cinophile myself). It made barely an impression on our cultural landscape is what I'm saying/suspecting, so it's all the weirder that it is number on here all of a sudden. If you're curious about Belgium as a movie country, I would rather recommend Man Bites Dog (OT: C'est Arrivé près de chez Vous) or Daens. Or Niet Schieten, although that will require a bit of pre-viewing research on the subject of the Brabant Killers, the one national trauma that can truly rival the Congo Free State disaster. But when you do, guaranteed chills).
    Anyway, looking forward to your next video! Don't be afraid to take your time, quality over quantity am I right?

  • @yddams
    @yddams Год назад +13

    Describing the girls from Daisies (1966) as Mia Goth and Kreayshawn caught me so off guard but that is like... the truest description on them lmao.

  • @kobcritic624
    @kobcritic624 Год назад +7

    that Get Out placement hurtsss but this is still a super good and insightful video, there's so much here I need to get to

  • @stephenshea7909
    @stephenshea7909 Год назад +35

    I get the recency bias argument but Moonlight and Parasite are genuinely great pieces of cinema that are very worthy of being on the list. They are two of the best of the 2010s. I love Get Out but I really don’t think it is one of the 100 greatest of all time. Get Out being on the list and All About Eve not being there is a travesty.

    • @yoanastoyanova
      @yoanastoyanova Год назад +12

      Also there's no such thing as the test of time. *This* is the test of time - critics picking mobies for lists, critics choosing what to review and how, cinema schools choosing what to include in their cirricula, etc. And it all depends on who's doing the picking. The main reason this list looks so different compared to the previous decades is that this "who" is more diverse and a larger pool. Obviously when you give non-white-men the chance to pick the films that have been most important to them, you're going to see stuff that doesn't necessarily resonnate with a more homogenous demographic. It's not necessarily elitism or eagerness to look progressive, etc., it's likely just a wider variety of people are reflected in these choices.

    • @osofilms1319
      @osofilms1319 9 месяцев назад +1

      Agree! To diss Parasite because it’s a recent release is egregious in my opinion.

    • @Trekpanther
      @Trekpanther 8 месяцев назад

      That was the thing in this video that made me raise my eyebrow the most. Like sure, TBH I'm not a fan of Parasite, but based off the recent years of output it seems like it and Get Out are influential in the amount of Asian-centric and black centric horror/thrillers we've gotten. I don't think a Everything Everywhere At Once or Squid Games or In Front Of Your Face would've been greenlit or get as promoted without Parasite.
      I also agree with a point raised by yoanastoyanova, that I think it's a positive consequence of having a more diverse audience coming into the voting pool and that not picking something recent is somehow being more "objective". Otherwise what sort of parameters are you putting on these polls? Films can't have been released for ten years? twenty? That seems kind of arbitary and silly to me. It shouldn't matter whether the ranking holds up a year or more from now, shit always changes as it should.

  • @DarkAngel459
    @DarkAngel459 Год назад +5

    Vertigo is my favourite film and I was also annoyed that it got knocked down to 2nd place this time around. I thought that your discussion of it really understood what the film was doing.
    However, I would put 'A Matter Of Life And Death' in 'LOVE' tier and I always cry at the end. But I agree that 'Black Narcissus' should be in the Top 100 and I'd put it in 'GOD TIER' as it's my favourite Powell and Pressburger.

  • @neil5081
    @neil5081 Год назад +5

    its so great to hear someone else who loves harold lloyd the most out of the silent comedy trio

  • @timgold577
    @timgold577 Год назад +8

    I'm really looking forward to going through your thoughts on all these films! Keep up the good work. I think your video essays are marvelous!

  • @mckeldin1961
    @mckeldin1961 Год назад +5

    First of all, bravo on a Herculean effort! Second of all I'm amazed at how much our tastes differ (not in all cases, just in a few significant ones... L'Atalante, Au hasard Balthazar and The Earrings of Madame de... being chief among them). Regarding Jeanne Dielman I had it in my collection for quite a while. It's ranking number 1 in last year's poll finally inspired me to carve out an uninterrupted 3 1/2 hours to watch it -- I was not disappointed. I thought it was amazing, BUT, it was not the best movie in my opinion. I suspect you're right as to the reason why it jumped so many spots in a decade, but I can't complain too much as I was thrilled to finally feel compelled to see it... and I plan on revisiting it soon. Like you, I'm team-Vertigo, so I was disappointed that it had so short a reign in the number 1 spot. I really love your videos... I'm very excited when I see a new one has come out. I want to thank you specifically for discussing TROPICAL MALADY --- I had never even heard of it before... and now I'm going to search it out!

  • @johannahernandez3485
    @johannahernandez3485 Год назад +4

    Just watched the whole video to the end and I have to say this is an achievement! Really enjoyed the whole thing! I love your channel ❤
    Would be cool to see a video about the AFI 100 years series and predictions on what will be on the next list (in 2027?)

  • @oscarruvalcabaperez3739
    @oscarruvalcabaperez3739 8 месяцев назад +1

    I LOOVEEE your videos, they're so well researched and produced, your sense of timing as a narrator is great, and you have a marvelous voice for the task! Thank you so much for making RUclips a great information, even educational, platform

  • @dj71162
    @dj71162 Год назад +6

    I have a great deal of admiration for this poll as well, but I think for the next one, they need to change the format because like Paul Schrader himself said, its a joke that Jeanne Dielman is at number 1. They need to change the voting system from "number of mentions" to a "preferential ballot" style format. They also need to increase the number of entries from 10 to 20 to get a larger sample. Jeanne Dielman won because of averages and probably because everyone consciously wanted to include female directed films. How many of the voters would actually have put it as their first choice?
    I'll take Lynne Ramsay's 10 as an example. She chose Persona, Full Metal Jacket, Mulholland Drive, Killer of Sheep, The Passion of Joan of Arc, The Wizard of Oz, 8 1/2, Stalker, Jeanne Dielman and Don't Look Now. Under the current system, each film gets 1 vote. There's no weighting or preference involved. What I mean by this is giving the 1st choice 10 points for example, 2nd choice 9 points and so on.
    If she was asked to rank the films in order of preference it might look something like this:
    1. Persona (10 pts.)
    2. Full Metal Jacket (9 pts.)
    3. The Wizard of Oz (8 pts.)
    4. The Passion of Joan of Arc (7 pts.)
    5. Stalker (6 pts.)
    6. Jeanne Dielman (5 pts.)
    7. 8 1/2 (4 pts.)
    8. Mulholland Drive (3 pts.)
    9. Killer of Sheep (2 pts.)
    10. Don't Look Now (1 pt.)

  • @pmspigla
    @pmspigla 8 месяцев назад +1

    What a nice way to spend an evening watching this video. When Sight and Sound list came out, I watched Jeanne Dielman and I was like … “Whaaat?” But after watching your video I now understand what this list is about (and what its become) so much better. I like your perspective so much better than this nutty list and will seek out the ones you recommend.

  • @matthewsalinsky5989
    @matthewsalinsky5989 Год назад +37

    do you have a letterboxd?

    • @ozztias
      @ozztias 9 месяцев назад +3

      x2 quiero funarlo

  • @sam6399
    @sam6399 Год назад +4

    Great video! I am actually really glad that Sight and Sound expanded the number of voters to diversify the list. It makes the list far more interesting. I also have to say that i disagree on your opinion of newer films on the list. In my opinion the list is a great snapshot in time on what is inspiring filmmakers and critics and when the poll is taken it means that in the future we can look back and see what were considered the greatest and most inspiring at that moment. It will also make it interesting in a few decades time to see which aged the best and which are laughed at. I just find it more interesting to include newer films. I also think that if you are going to hold the poll every 10 years that the list should be fresh and unique to provide a distinct look at what is appreciated and considered the greatest at that moment. It also means that if the canon is shaken up every decade than the films which remain can be considered the true greats.

    • @Trekpanther
      @Trekpanther 8 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah, like sure there are films that don't hold up from older rankings, but that's still a good insight into what was in the zeitgeist at the time. Using this channel's recent video on the 1980 Academy Awards for a moment, I'm sure most of us would never have put "Ordinary People" on any kind of list like this, but in 1980 that film touched a nerve with the audiences & critics at the time that is very indicative of American society coming out of the tumultuous 70s into the Reagan era of the 80s. So if a list in 1982 or 1985 still put Ordinary People on a ranking, I wouldn't have been surprised even if now in 2024 it wouldn't go on my list of favorite 1980s films, but then again I wasn't alive let alone a functional adult in 1980.

  • @tonybates6551
    @tonybates6551 Год назад +2

    Watched this whole thing and loved it. I'm working my way through Schneider et al.'s 1001 series which should cover most of this list, and you gave me a lot to get excited about!

  • @charlesevanshughes3638
    @charlesevanshughes3638 Год назад +4

    If doing a video like this wasn't too difficult for you, would you consider doing one for the AFI's top 100 list? It's a much more populist selection, and it has surprisingly little overlap with the Sight and Sound poll.

  • @sherlockkrankcase3578
    @sherlockkrankcase3578 Год назад +1

    Thank you for doing this! I've been waiting for someone to make a list like this.

  • @FallenKnight2244
    @FallenKnight2244 Год назад +3

    You should do more videos. Your love for films is simply affectionate.

  • @JustforNow-ty5zt
    @JustforNow-ty5zt Год назад +11

    22:56
    It’s not so much that Blade Runner looks cool, but it’s that the aesthetic of Blade Runner is how the movie shows its themes. It paints this portrait of urban life where consumerism is ever- present and everything just feels very tiresome and meaningless through this very long lingering shots of the city. The character of Deckard is also a really great character who goes through a cool character arc, where he has to confront being a moral person in a sort of moral-less system. Him learning about these non-humans wanting to be human makes him confront his own humanity, as well as how meaningless that humanity is.
    It’s not just a story about what it means to be human, it’s a story about prejudice, and about capitalism, and about the relationship between capitalism and authoritarianism, with the runners being police who are basically doing the dirty work of corporations. It’s about the way societie’s affect us and how we affect our societie’s, with the emptiness of the society embodied in the emptiness of the character’s. They’re basically personifications of the world they live, complete with the nuances and the complexities of said world. Blade Runner has this extremely wide array of themes, most of which are told simply through the worldbuilding.
    The worldbuilding is also pretty great, it’s both creative yet realistic, and there’s a really cool attention to detail with the food, the fashion, the ads, pretty much everything. There was thought put into all of this. Every little detail in the set design, the props, and the dialogue has some purpose in giving us information about the world.
    The score of the film also kicks butt, with this fantastic mix of haunting and vague dread.
    It’s basically the perfect cyberpunk movie, and it’s also really important for the evolution sci fi genre.
    Also, your enjoyment of it may depend on your version. If you watched the version with narration and a happy ending, then you watched the theatrical version, which is almost universally considered to be inferior to the director’s cut.
    (But yeah, I’d still say Alien is better. Blade Runner is probably a bit more influential, I guess.)

  • @mrhoeivo
    @mrhoeivo Год назад +11

    Awesome video as always. I disagree with many of your takes, but none more so than that regarding Portrait of a Lady on Fire. I understand your position about disqualifying newer movies, but Portrait is an instant classic for me. As you were listing off all the directors whose work this list implies to be inferior, I audibly said "damn straight" after each one.

  • @benjammin9906
    @benjammin9906 8 месяцев назад +1

    Do you have a letterboxd account? I'd love to get more insight into your taste, especially after seeing what movies you think should be in the top 100 of all time.

  • @luqasc
    @luqasc Год назад +3

    OK, love your work but Meshes of the Afternoon in the flop tier is a straight-up hate crime!!
    It doesn't matter that it's 13 minutes long when those 13 minutes are more memorable than the entirety of thousands of two-hour films (including some that are in this list, like the straight-up unbearable Sans Soleil).

  • @alisonjane7068
    @alisonjane7068 Год назад +1

    here to say that i enjoyed the heck out of this. i've seen a lot of these movies (humble brag), but i definitely made a list of the ones i haven't seen, plus your recommendations. we had similar views on lots of things, not so much on other things. you love persona, so we're good lol. was also nodding my head hard on your recency bias rant, and wanna second your shoutouts of under the skin, morvern callar, and fish tank.

  • @reflectsonlife
    @reflectsonlife Год назад +1

    Vertigo - When I was a kid in the '70s I asked my dad who is the best filmmaker ever, and he confidently said Hitchcock. Then I asked what's the best film ever, and without skipping a beat he said Vertigo. Plus he immigrated to the US in the '60s which means he watched all Hitchcock films in mainstream theaters in his native India as a young man. Just goes to show how universally significant and loved Hitchcock was in his day globally.
    Titanic - when you name checked Titanic at the end of your video, I did a double take. A globally beloved movie still 30 years later for sure, but IMO it feels like Hollywood's version of a Bollywood film - which in turn might speak to why Titanic is so accepted and beloved globally, to the point where people see it as a part of their own film canon instead of as a foreign movie. Would love to hear your hot take on why Titanic belongs in this top 100.

  • @Gaverny
    @Gaverny 7 месяцев назад +1

    I'm going to start using "either a high good or a low love" in my everyday.

  • @duanein3d
    @duanein3d Год назад +2

    Just started but wanted to say I absolutely love this page

  • @Dench999or911
    @Dench999or911 Год назад +6

    Not a fan of this list at all, a lot of notable exemptions. The critics seemed to have forgotten New Hollywood even existed and gone all in on the art house genre. The inclusion of Get Out genuinely hurts! One of the more modern films I would have gone for is No Country for Old Men, but that’s just my opinion of course!

    • @alltalkingpictures
      @alltalkingpictures  Год назад +2

      i should've mentioned No Country for sure tbh, and yeah there's definitely a shift away from New Hollywood on this list vs the 2012 version, which is pretty weird

  • @tkama962
    @tkama962 Год назад

    Watched the video until the end and walked away with a long lists of films to watch! After hearing your love and passion behind Vertigo, I immediately bumped it to the top of the list. It's been on my personal watchlist for the longest and excited to seek it out.

  • @you2me931
    @you2me931 4 месяца назад

    I thought your take on Vertigo was spot on. What you were talking about was similar to my experience. I thought it was good upon my first watch but it took three watches for me to truly appreciate the masterpiece that it is and one of my favorite movies.

  • @Moviestillbaby
    @Moviestillbaby Год назад +1

    Just finished the video in its entirety. Excellent ranking and analysis, even if I don’t agree with all your decisions.
    From one cinephile to another, well done! Can’t wait for more videos.

  • @GoukaRyuu
    @GoukaRyuu Год назад +2

    I watched the whole thing. While I like to consider myself a cinephile I admittedly have not seen a lot of what are considered to be the classic or must see stuff. I honestly think I am willing to give anything a chance so it is more just a matter of me finally getting around to watching stuff. I have the same issue with anime really. Balk at a 21 - 24 minute episode but then watch 2 - 5 hours of RUclips videos. I do have to say I agree with your idea of rewatching films. Back at the end of my undergraduate days I took a few film classes because I had largely finished up my degree proper but needed the credits so took them for fun. One of the professors had stated, and it stuck with me, that you need to see a film twice to really make it yours. The idea being that you can more deeply analyze and connect with a movie the second time because you now know where it is going to an extent. I have only really seen a handful of the movies on this list, so I have a long way to go, and for the most part it has been several years at least since I watched them. Perhaps the next time I have a long weekend I should block off the time and rewatch a few of these movies in their entirety, or try to watch ones here that I have not seen.

  • @tati3861
    @tati3861 Год назад

    i was just rewatching your 1972 video and checked your channel, i can't believe i had missed this upload! it's really strange that youtube hasn't recommended this video in the past two weeks. amazing content as usual, i'm so mad that youtube isn't promoting it. just turned on the notifications but still :/

  • @haroldandmod
    @haroldandmod Год назад +4

    The moonlight take does hurt but in my opinion the biggest omission that you didn’t mention is ANY Spielberg movie

  • @bethd1480
    @bethd1480 Год назад +3

    Somehow I feel the diversification of the voting mean younger, which I think explains a lot of issues with this poll. You can't tell a film is great within a couple of years. Think of all the films you thought were the greatest ever that a few years later you don't even remember them. The number one choice is ridiculous. I know you don't like to use the word, but I found it boring.
    I also think being PC came into this as several movies such as Gone With The Wind, now have Issues with them, either the movie itself, or with an actor in the film, which of course makes them cancelled. .
    I think they missed the best films of a lot of people. Double Indemnity - Billy Wilder, Paths Of Glory - Stanley Kubrick, Imitation of Life was better in the 1934 version, I don't know how the 1959 version even got on the list, especially when Magnificent Obsession, All that Heaven Allows and Written On The Wind - by Douglas Sirk are available. And how they missed one of the greatest silent movies Greed - by Erich Von Stroheim, I do not understand.

  • @rickyrewind
    @rickyrewind Год назад

    Close Up in meh NOOOO!! 😂😂 I always tear up thinking about that movie!!! Specifically the quote “You could make a film about my suffering.” Because why does he want that? I just sat there thinking about how people want their struggle to be seen by others, and seeing themselves represented in films they love can be quite comforting, but it translates to very little impact in their daily life/quality of life, where no one gives a shit etc 🤷🏻‍♂️ I see it as a condemnation and celebration of telling stories about the “everyman” in that way, because it’s so inherently exploitative but can really change everything for the right person-I think that’s such a humble way to understand and appreciate the medium.
    ANYWAYS Pather Panchali, L’avventura, and Andrei Rublev jumped to the very top of my list with your descriptions/recommendations!! I was kind of scared to approach them but you made them sound so viscerally appealing to ME specifically LOL

  • @natesutton13
    @natesutton13 Год назад +2

    Fantastic video, so much fun to listen to. Not sure if this has been asked yet, but do you have any thoughts on the Director’s Poll? Some great inclusions such as Fanny and Alexander, Dr. Strangelove, Throne of Blood, and questionable picks like Eternal Sunshine (imo).

    • @alltalkingpictures
      @alltalkingpictures  Год назад +3

      thank you! the director's list is def better overall, feels more informed imo. a lot of the movies that show up there and not on the critic's list are ones i brought up throughout (la strada, vagabond, eraserhead, chinatown, la notte, cache, raging bull). they seem less concerned with trying to create a new canon out of thin air. they also voted for some exciting stuff like Don't Look Now, The Color of Pomegranates, etc. also theyre always a bit lower on Vertigo than critics which is weird because its such a meta movie about directing, maybe it hits too close to home or something. and i agree eternal sunshine is questionable lol

    • @natesutton13
      @natesutton13 Год назад +1

      Thank you for taking the time to reply! I second your thoughts on Vertigo hitting too close to home for some filmmakers lol. Keep up the great work, I'm very interested in seeing where you take your channel. Hopefully we'll get to hear more deep dives from you regarding the famous studio system "auteurs" such as Cukor, Wyler, Hawks, Lubitsch, and others who appear to be fading from public consciousness with every passing decade. Best regards! @@alltalkingpictures

  • @mitchellkopitch
    @mitchellkopitch 7 месяцев назад

    I've only seen maybe little over a third of the list, but I agree entirely with your experiences of Vertigo as my viewings of it followed a very similar track over the years. There's something deceptively strong about Hitchcock's Vertigo that makes you obsessed with it which is just incredible how it's accomplished to me.
    I also agree that no film younger than 10 years should be in consideration. They could have a separate top 10 or top 20 list of films from the past 10 years that we suppose will push ahead to this list, but for now, they need time to sit. Sometimes a film is a great comment of contemporary times, but turns out to be something not worth revisiting anywhere near as much as we initially think.

  • @prettyyinpossible
    @prettyyinpossible 7 месяцев назад

    Honestly I think portrait of a lady on fire totally deserves the spot, at least out of all the modern ones listed. I remember I liked it on my initial watch but on rewatch i thought it was completely stunning

  • @johnnzboy
    @johnnzboy 8 месяцев назад

    Bravo! This is a magisterial analysis/critique.

  • @kleins-v7v
    @kleins-v7v 4 месяца назад +2

    moonlight in meh is painful. i know wym about recency bias though idk how something like petite maman was like 210. i feel like there's an incentive to include a female director so the list doesnt look closed minded but that is genuinely one of the worst well regard movies ive seen in the last few years. but jeanne dielman.was somehow even worse.

  • @hyperballadbradx6486
    @hyperballadbradx6486 27 дней назад

    The Cinema Cartography make some really great points and have some valuable insights to share on their Patreon Podcast when it comes to the Sight and Sound list. Like you suggest here many time, the value of it and the choices is incredibly narrow. The risk it holds in side lining masterpieces of the medium over popular choices is quite real too. They do anything but gatekeep great works of art; they're potentially more harmful to the medium.

  • @zsuzsufunkenstein13
    @zsuzsufunkenstein13 Год назад +4

    didn't agree with a lot you said, didn't agree with a lot of the 100 films chosen, brilliant! (godard is awful, keaton is king). thanks for proving in a very involving way what roger ebert said x

  • @johangade2832
    @johangade2832 Год назад

    The legend has returned. Love your videos.

  • @JakeMercierFilms
    @JakeMercierFilms 8 месяцев назад

    TEACHERS PET PICKS!! I love it. You completely captured my thoughts here.

  • @autumnarisal
    @autumnarisal 9 месяцев назад

    jeanne dielman was one of the most tense and surprisingly engaging experiences ive ever had, loved it to bits

    • @autumnarisal
      @autumnarisal 9 месяцев назад +1

      just realizing now that Cleo de 5 à 7 is also on here which is also peak. why do the francophones have to make so many good movies whyyyyy

  • @MrRadar
    @MrRadar Год назад

    Thank you for singing the praises of The Man With a Movie Camera, definitely one of the best works of the silent era. If you haven't seen it with the score by The Cinematic Orchestra definitely track down a version with that one, I listen to the soundtrack album of that at least once a year.

    • @MichaelSmith-sd9kz
      @MichaelSmith-sd9kz 8 месяцев назад

      I feel the same way about the Alloy Orchestra score.

  • @ethanskelly6064
    @ethanskelly6064 Год назад +2

    liked the ranking, do you have a personal ballot made up? mine would be
    1.Wizard of Oz 2. Breathless 3. Jeanne Dielman 4. Ikiru 5. Sherlock Jr. 6. Titanic 7. Do The Right Thing 8. Nights of Cabira 9. Ninotchka 10. Vertigo
    (I love your shoutout/profile pic of Myra btw, a movie that needs to be reevaluated)

  • @cassiopeiathew7406
    @cassiopeiathew7406 8 месяцев назад

    If a Ghibli movie got on I feel like it should be Lupin The Third: Castle of Cagliostro because it’s scope is just so vast while also being such a fun ride, it’s very subtly but not at all minimally political, it’s so great with movement in regards to how everything flows and feels, it’s very gorgeous, it’s fun to watch, etc.. (I would also say The Tale Of Princess Kaguya but that was very recent) This is such an insightful video, I’ve gotten a lot of recommendations but I do have to vehemently disagree with you on Black Girl specifically because it’s just incredibly devastating and has so much depth to it. Also I loved the Belle De Jour mention at the end, it’s one of my favorite movies ever and I’m such trash for Luis Bunuel and Catherine Deneuve.

  • @gregmcknight5183
    @gregmcknight5183 8 месяцев назад

    I get what you're saying about modern picks but I stand by portrait of a lady on fire, moonlight, get out, and parasite. Especially Parasite!! They are all movies I'd firmly place in love.

  • @OleKentuckyShark
    @OleKentuckyShark 8 месяцев назад

    Great video, I appreciate someone with such passion for the things they love. One thing I would change its a shame you didnt blow up the size of the individual movie posters while talking about their movie. They are so small its hard to see. Its punctuated by the fact that you talk about things not on the list and bring them on screen for us to see while you discuss them. For example saying the Casablanca cover looks like F. Scott book cover, you show us a large image of the great Gatsby but I cant compare it to Casablanca because its too small to see, never mind the fact that it’s actually the Casablanca cover I’m more interested in to begin with. Sorry to nitpick but its a long video to squint at the whole time. I really enjoy your channel.

  • @wetasspaddington
    @wetasspaddington Год назад +1

    loved loved this video & i learnt some new movies that id love to check out :))) you mentioned you liked fassbinder a lot, are there any movies you would recommend of his first?

    • @alltalkingpictures
      @alltalkingpictures  Год назад +2

      i feel like The Marriage of Maria Braun is a pretty accessible place to start actually, or maybe The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant

  • @dantedion9307
    @dantedion9307 Год назад

    I love 1950 films like Sunset Blvd., All About Eve, Harvey, Born Yesterday, The Third Man and Cinderella. Perhaps a year video about that year and the Oscars?

  • @babypurplebat2610
    @babypurplebat2610 6 месяцев назад

    glad to find another Harold Lloyd fan, there's dozens of us, dozens!!

  • @unimpressedalchemist
    @unimpressedalchemist Год назад

    Killer of Sheep was an incredibly effective experience for me. I truly felt both like a slaughtered creature while watching it. I can't think of many films that capture this dead-end feeling so potently.

  • @nikkilev78
    @nikkilev78 8 месяцев назад

    Your vids rule! My roommate was in the room while I was watching and says you have a very nice voice and I agree! I know this is an obvious suggestion but I'd love for you to do this exercise with the AFI top 100.

  • @ebenmoore1631
    @ebenmoore1631 8 месяцев назад

    Ha, you lost me a little when you said Titanic as an omission. I would’ve liked to see The Lady Eve and his Girl Friday or even a Bringing Up Baby in terms of screwball comedy. I think what is so impressive about Wilder is his endless leaping from genre to genre. And for Hitchcock, I actually think Notorious should make the list. Great fun video!

  • @zsuzsufunkenstein13
    @zsuzsufunkenstein13 Год назад +1

    i've only just realized there are no bunuel films here, many of his films are templates for much of european cinema since, i am very disappointed about this despite it not mattering! also really surprised at there being no lawrence of arabia, and no wizard of oz is a crime. i was unmoved the first time i watched rules of the game but the second time i was really surprised, definitely worth seeing again. and the greatest french film ever imo is definitely children of paradise, i really hope people haven't forgotten about that.

  • @Gaverny
    @Gaverny 7 месяцев назад

    Amazing job on this 👏🏻.
    New subscriber

  • @mdp26
    @mdp26 Год назад +1

    It's impossible to make a tier list that makes everyone happy (I mean, Sight & Sound couldn't that's for sure), but what makes videos like this good is that your hot takes don't seem like you've made them for the sake of having a hot take, but rather the genuine views you have.
    That said, arguing for the influence of these movies and then completely glossing over Meshes of the Afternoon just because of its length felt very off. It's not top 20 that's sure, but come on, a movie from 1942 that has elements which wouldn't be out of place in horror or avantgarde decades later and can easily be viewed as a representation of the unreliability of one's perception is never a flop. It's what most of the 60's American avantgarde aspired (and failed) to be.
    And also, can't agree more with your thoughts on Chaplin. Goes for endearing, ends up annoying.

  • @marcimoments
    @marcimoments 8 месяцев назад +1

    wrong af on parasite but i respect your opinions

  • @fatimawajid4011
    @fatimawajid4011 Год назад +3

    there’s no animated movie on this list?

    • @fatimawajid4011
      @fatimawajid4011 Год назад

      ok my bad miyazaki movies are on the list but i agree i don’t think those 2 films represent animation’s best at all

  • @todders559
    @todders559 Год назад

    I put my pitchfork down when you put Blade Runner at the bottom, but at least suggested Alien as a substitute.

  • @AScreenwritersJourney
    @AScreenwritersJourney 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this. It was much appreciated.

  • @danieloneil8438
    @danieloneil8438 Год назад

    looking forward to watching this!

  • @scouthatesrainbows
    @scouthatesrainbows 11 месяцев назад

    Babe my favorite longform movie youtuber just dropped a movie about movies

  • @BugVlogs
    @BugVlogs Год назад

    I’m glad Mirror is the highest ranked Tarkovsky film, it’s my favorite of his films and one of my favorite films in general

  • @clowpowart
    @clowpowart Год назад +8

    Love your videos, but a lot of your comments here are frankly pretty rude. Admitting that some of your takes on this are snobbish doesn’t mean they aren’t mean spirited. You say that everyone’s entitled to their opinion, yet you 100% talk down to people who don’t share your views. Particularly those that are choosing modern movies to put on the list (and I agree with your take 100% btw I think Parasite is overrated for example and modern movies can’t really be judged as impactful with no time passage), the part you lost me on was listing off all the other modern films that should have been picked instead. You literally said let’s pick “real art”. There are so many historical elitist, classist, even racist undertones to what has been considered “real art” in the western culture we live in. People enjoying popular movies isn’t a bad thing and you frankly make it sound like it is. Saying that people are entitled to their opinions at the beginning of the videos doesn’t cancel out being a dick about it anyway. You didn’t need to be THAT rude on your take.
    Consider if something like moonlight is someone’s gateway to getting into the art of filmmaking and all the “real art” you talk about. They find your channel and you almost immediately start ripping on these “generic film twitter”movies. How is someone who is a newbie to film and cinephile culture to feel in response to those comments? It’s fine being snobby, it’s fine disagreeing, but a lot of your comments were downright disrespectful, arrogant, and condescending. The internet and our lives are full of enough judgmental people, please don’t add to it.
    I like your content and will continue to support your channel, but I’m sorry tearing down opinions of others the way you have been in this video is not the move. It wasn’t an issue in your last videos so maybe go back to toning it down?

    • @dylanmeda1596
      @dylanmeda1596 Год назад +4

      right? he wasn’t even just saying that he wouldn’t have chosen those movies, he was acting as if other people were committing a sin for choosing a more modern movie. people have opinions and just because they don’t align with yours doesn’t mean they’re pandering. the “real art” shit really got to me because why tf does time period correlate to art and why is he the one who gets to decide what art is. Whether you’re a fan of them or not every single one of the movies on this list (and the ones that didn’t make it) are art.

  • @jourcontre-jour1286
    @jourcontre-jour1286 11 месяцев назад

    Great video, I really should get around to watching Vertigo.

  • @williamreed2558
    @williamreed2558 Год назад +5

    Thanks for your excellent review of the Sight and Sound Top 100. As a fellow cinephile, I revelled in your responses to the films and the poll's judgements. First of all, I couldn't agree more about not including recent films in the poll. I think I'd like a 30-40 year moratorium on such new films, maybe 50. No one can assess the ultimate quality and importance of a film earlier.
    Secondly, I don't think social, political or cultural agendas should inform their judgements. These should be essentially aesthetic judgements. I am in fact very progressive in these matters; and yet formal considerations are more important than material ones in this context. And material judgements don't depend on any particular point of view but on the depth and complexity and power of the messaging. Lastly, I deeply respect your judgements because they are intelligent and humble. We were fated to have some major disagreement since I strongly prefer the intimate style of film to the spectacular, for lack of better jargon. I did cring at what I consider masterpieces in the Meh and Flop rank. I am older than you and you are right to say life experience affects judgement of films and everything else. However, we each have our predelections, given who we are. I appreciate different perspective to evaluate my own. In conclusion, thank you and I look forward to future videos. P.S. Bergman's Fanny and Alexander !!!

    • @williamreed2558
      @williamreed2558 10 месяцев назад

      @randywhite3947 We respectfully disagree. Maybe 25 at the least, as a compromise

    • @williamreed2558
      @williamreed2558 10 месяцев назад

      @randywhite3947 Very good :))) Absolutely no film since 2000. Wisdom dictates this

    • @kostajovanovic3711
      @kostajovanovic3711 8 месяцев назад

      Quite the controversial takes

  • @sreerajpj846
    @sreerajpj846 3 месяца назад +1

    Get out rant was peak

  • @Nightcrawler77
    @Nightcrawler77 4 месяца назад

    Only have a Top 10 at the moment, the rest moves randomly. Subbed. Your content is so interesting.
    1. Once upon a time in America
    2. Deer Hunter
    3. One flew over the Cuckoosnest
    4. The Godfather Part 1+2
    5. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    6. The Night of the Hunter
    7. Rear Window
    8. There will be blood
    9. Barry Lyndon
    10. Blade Runner
    my top 10. Movies like Psycho, Apocalypse Now, Jaws, Turin Horse, Love Exposure and The Big Lebowski are also very great.

    • @kleins-v7v
      @kleins-v7v 4 месяца назад

      Turin Horse? How . why . no

    • @TheScholesEra
      @TheScholesEra 3 месяца назад

      1 Blade Runner
      2 Double Indemnity
      3 Taxi Driver
      4 Chinatown
      5 The Big Sleep
      6 Ikiru
      7 Goodfellas
      8 Terminator 2
      9 The Maltese Falcon
      10 Rear Window

  • @nsegura3
    @nsegura3 7 месяцев назад

    Oh my, once upon a time on the west two levels above Rsdomon !
    But I understand it's hard for people to break out of the Hollywood aesthetics :)

  • @finslaw
    @finslaw Год назад +2

    I am convinced The Searchers is the most overrated movie of all-time. People want to see it as a meditation on racism, but it is in fact a racist film about a white girl who is saved by John Wayne from being a lowly Native American. And beyond the bookends, the shots are pretty typical.

  • @diegolatruwe6444
    @diegolatruwe6444 8 месяцев назад

    This is a great listing and I totally agree with your remarks concerning recency bias and the groupthink of safe liberal critics.
    I would love to see you compile a list all of your own if that would be something you're up for.

  • @ThePopyoyo
    @ThePopyoyo 8 месяцев назад

    I couldn't agree more with your opinion about modern movies on this list. Where's "No Country for Old Men" or "Children of Men"?

  • @TheJohnWhites
    @TheJohnWhites 8 месяцев назад

    Your Channels Amazing!

  • @gmg9010
    @gmg9010 Год назад +1

    I was like oh a 23 minute video I can get through that I was seriously mistaken as to the time of this video.

  • @josepabloamadornieto7794
    @josepabloamadornieto7794 4 месяца назад

    Totally agree with vertigo on ya there

  • @that1guy375
    @that1guy375 11 месяцев назад

    Completely agree with your rant about the newer films on the list. There are better films from the years they were released lol. I disagree with the placement of some of your films, especially the Tarkovsky films, but I'm in agreement with your sentiments regarding how film canon should be approached.

    • @that1guy375
      @that1guy375 11 месяцев назад +1

      Oh and no Kieslowski is crazy.

  • @arjecc7365
    @arjecc7365 8 месяцев назад

    you do an awesome job being honest, articulate and insightful in brief moments per film; impressive

  • @rickyrewind
    @rickyrewind Год назад +1

    I also wanted to ask if you had a favorite sight & sound list!! Anyone who nailed all 10 spots for example

    • @alltalkingpictures
      @alltalkingpictures  Год назад +1

      good question, i def havent looked through all of them but off the top of my head i like anything camille paglia does and her list is great. i think people make fun of it for being boring but shes one of like 3 voters who acknowledge gone with the wind and old studio epics (she includes the wrong antonioni movie imo but whatever)

  • @gabrieljewett4042
    @gabrieljewett4042 7 месяцев назад

    I really don’t understand why Get Out is even on the list at all, I love horror movies and it’s a pretty great one. But Top 100 Movies of all time? Over a 100 hundred years? It’s just The Stepford Wives with a more modern social commentary, I don’t know why it’s considered a mind blowing masterpiece. Good movie though

  • @sarkisdrejian5395
    @sarkisdrejian5395 Год назад

    either stop watching movies or stop commenting on them

  • @danman92
    @danman92 4 месяца назад

    Can you make a video of your top 100 movies?

  • @Segadrome
    @Segadrome Год назад +5

    I refuse to believe Jeanne Dielman is better than anything on this list.

    • @buthwywho7438
      @buthwywho7438 Год назад +1

      Is better than like 70 of the films

    • @Segadrome
      @Segadrome Год назад +4

      ​@@buthwywho7438how on earth is a film about a woman doing boring housework for 3 and a half hours better than Citizen Kane, 2001 or anything by Sergio Leone?

    • @buthwywho7438
      @buthwywho7438 Год назад +2

      @@Segadrome I’m not saying is better than does specific films just that I think is much better than a lot of films in the list

    • @ethanskelly6064
      @ethanskelly6064 Год назад

      @@buthwywho7438 ill say its better than 2001 or anything leone directed (although i have not seen for a few dollars, duck you sucker or colosus of rhodes, albeit id stake my life Akermans blooper reel would be better than watching Rhodes)

    • @guadalupevenegas8466
      @guadalupevenegas8466 Год назад +1

      @@Segadrome because she slays while doing it

  • @George_Nakhle
    @George_Nakhle Год назад

    Wish I could articulate my feelings on film half as well as you do

  • @railwaycompartment
    @railwaycompartment 11 месяцев назад

    So true about Blade Runner, I wish it were as good as people say it is

  • @ellenolenska9141
    @ellenolenska9141 8 месяцев назад

    You need to do more videos. You are really good.

  • @JustinTanner1964
    @JustinTanner1964 7 месяцев назад

    You sound like a nice person, and everyone has an opinion....but your placement of "The Apartment," "The Earrings of Madame du.." and "Ali Fear Eats the Soul" was so disappointing I had to stop watching.

  • @cobrallama6236
    @cobrallama6236 9 месяцев назад +1

    59:10. 👍👍

  • @wahmaster2788
    @wahmaster2788 10 месяцев назад

    Sherlock Jr in bottom tier might be the worst take here imo lol. 😊

  • @kostajovanovic3711
    @kostajovanovic3711 8 месяцев назад

    The streak is broken

  • @Segadrome
    @Segadrome Год назад +7

    1:00:57 - 1:03:12
    UNFATHOMABLY BASED
    Get Out is super overrated. Decent direction in some places, but the script is just awful. Filled to the brim with contrivances and stereotypical horror clichés. -but it's about racism bad so of course it won best original screenplay, even though it's just The Stepford Wives but with black people-

    • @Segadrome
      @Segadrome Год назад

      @@Kevin-rg3yc Us is more competently shot, but the script is still lacking substance. Literally nothing makes sense, even for a horror film. You're saying the government had a failed experiment to clone everybody to control the population, and they just pack up and go? They don't destroy the clones? They just leave em underground??? IMO, Nope ain't perfect either, but it's certainly a step up. Third time is apparantly the charm.

  • @lololaws4861
    @lololaws4861 8 месяцев назад

    Blade Runner in flop tier?………Oof

  • @grantkistel3411
    @grantkistel3411 Год назад +2

    Way to just be obsessed with aesthetics and no understanding of actual struggle or cultures.

  • @SUK2293
    @SUK2293 Год назад

    you have bot seen them all

  • @misterpopo3736
    @misterpopo3736 Год назад

    blade runner is slow and boring. why do people think its because its "old"? it just is meandering.