As with everything you do, so well done! Thanks for sharing your time and expertise...it is always much appreciated! For anyone thinking about taking one of John's workshops, I highly recommend it...it's even better getting to learn from him in person!
Awesome review. I have been putting off getting this body lens combo. I need to dive in by summer. It is refreshing to see a RUclips Chanel that knows what they are doing. I grew up on an RZ and canon A-1 Been a canon shooter since 1983
For some reason i want to call this review as very smooth or floating probably because the fluency when he talks, no micro-jitters ... ;) My RF 85/2 is arriving today to replace the older EF 85/1.8 ... the 1.2 is way beyond my pocket as an enthusiast. Great video, John
Thank you so much! I feel like I am finally getting comfortable on camera. Given what I saw here you're going to be very happy! ruclips.net/video/O7zyv_Iym00/видео.html
Another excellent video...thank you. Well I've a hard time parting with any of my "L" and Art lenses for the RF engineered plastic replacements...but I did buy the RF 24-70 after selling my "L" 50/1.2. I did compare two RF lens rentals and to my eye, my "L" 85/1.4, 24/1.4 and Art 135 were just as sharp w/o any focusing issues, but the RF 50/1.2 outperformed the "L". Used my R (selling) and R5...RF adapters are great.
Great video! I actually just ordered the canon RF 85 f2 this morning but still happy that I came across this video to support the decision already made. Also found it great that you said “call your mom” 😂. I call my mom daily!! Thanks for the vid.
Fantastic info John! You now convinced me that after beginning my career back in the mid eighties by investing in the Canon FD 85 1.2L , I shall now do the same to own the RF version as my last Canon 85mm of my career! Pricey ,yes, but it will last a lifetime!😉🙏🏾
Thanks Eugene. Barring a mount change it will hold it's value too. I Regret that I didn't move around more within the headshot fame @5.6 once I was at 100% The Macro was sharper in the middle but less DOF or sharpness as you moved around the edge of his face.
Interesting to note as well is the fact that the rf 85mm f1.2 is the most zoomed in of the bunch. I've actually seen in several reviews that the sigma 85mm is actually a few mm short of a true 85mm. I think the f1.2 is actually a hair longer than 85mm (which will give a bit more compression and blur) so I actually like that personally.
Getting caught up on my JG videos cause, ya know, can't be missing any! Digging the Christmas change up in the intro music. Love these comparisons. Frankly I'm shocked with the Sigma ART, those lenses have always been razor sharp when you nail focus so to see it lagging behind the Canon glass is surprising. Maybe if and when they bring out their RF mount lenses the sharpness will get back on par with the Canon glass. I still haven't pulled the trigger on any RF glass yet, I'm not sure where I want to go, lol.
Thanks man! I hear all of that, 100. I was blown away that the Canon lenses were so much better. If it wasn't for using my C200 for most of my videos, I would unload all my EF lenses. But until there is a RAW capable budget C camera I will be holding on. I did however sell my Sigma 85 on ebay yesterday but they haven't paid yet, I hope its not because they saw my video!
Thanks man! I really appreciate it. I only regret that I didn't move around more within the headshot fame @5.6 once I was at 100% before I made the video. The macro was sharper in the middle but less DOF or sharpness as you moved around the edge of his face and overall the Sigma 1.4 and the Canon 1.2 were very close and preferrable to the macro once we got to the mid frame. However the Canon 1.2 compared to the Sigma does have better contrast, CA and of course it won the full body images.
Thank you for all this. This was incredibly helpful. I’m happy that the expensive price tag is justified at least, even though it’s tough on the wallet!
What a great video. You look great, your pictures, and the sound and color is exceptional. Since what you do is close to what I do (no hockey or basketball) what you showed is perfect! Subscribed>
Thanks. Great review. I just ordered my 85mm 1.2. I have been shooting the Sigma 85 ART for the past two years and I love it. I am however now on the mirrorless system and feel my images could be just a bit sharper. The ART lenses are incredible lenses on my 5DMIV but I have since sold that body.
I’m probably going to hang out for the RF 100 macro or Sigma 85 DGDN, great reviews from the e mount camp. 85 isn’t my favourite focal length to spend the big bucks, and where I really like to use it is on my Fuji XT4 with the 56mm 1.2 apsc.
I love that Laing’s video also gave you 85mm lens anxiety 😅😂 I’ve been using the EF 85mm 1.8 for years. I think I have an exceptionally sharp copy, but I nonetheless thought the new Macro RF lens would be sharper. I think I’m just going to keep dancing with the lady who brought me. Great video
Ha! Thanks Noah. It was weird how the sharpness in the corders really fell off with the f2 in Part 2. If they ever make a non macro gold lens, I bet it will out perform the Sigma.
Thank you so much! If you haven't already seen part 2 you might want to check it out. I realized after the fact the macro's true weakness - ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
i got the 85mmf2 a few weeks ago and im liking the quality of it on my RP. For more studio uses, i like to use the RF 24-105 f4, it's incredibly sharp and versatile. The low price and weight is a good feature as well on the F4.
Hi John. Me again from over the pond. Great video once again! I remember you asking me a little while ago what I thought of the RF 85 1.2 since I had one and me saying how much I loved it, with the fact I had absolutely no chromatic aberration. The sharpness is staggering. As a product photographer, I’m now waiting for the RF100 2.8 macro as the EF is my go to lens for most of my work. I have been toying with the idea of the RF85 f2 for my arsenal but will hold out for the 100. Thanks for this informative video!
@@JohnGress oh thanks okay! You do mention it’s a great lens! I don’t think that was lost. Ha! I guess I’ll say up for the 1.2 RF though. Love the extra sharpness!
Thanks for this. I still haven't jumped into the RF system yet. It's a big gulp. The 85 is my money lens so this is a great video. One point you don't mention is carrying round the 1.2 all day even in studio is a real challenge. I still cannot decide what I would do but tbh that is a huge factor. If you really don't need the 1.2 1.4 f-stop and shooting with flash predominantly and are at f 7.1/8 most of the time I am not sure the big extra money or weight are worth it. The 1.2 looks more like a 90mm based on this an other reviews. Not sure why they did that.
Thanks Peter! This afternoon I will probably post a supplemental video to this one that shows what the lenses look like at 5.6-8 away from the center. Basically the macro is crazy sharp in the middle and then falls off. Whereas the models hair is sharper in the non macro images.
@@JohnGress I am also "pissed off" because I more than likely will have to buy the RF 1.2 lol. I have tried to learn not to buy things twice and just get the best one first...
Thank you for this careful testing and presentation! I recently upgraded from the 5Dmk2 to the R5 and I've found that the R5 makes painfully obvious flaws in EF L-class lenses that didn't bother me so much in the past. The 85/1.2Lii still takes breathtakingly beautiful shots with great contrast, but working with wide apertures, the false color in hair and in reflections on glasses' frames and the like is really objectionable at high magnification. It's hard to un-see these things once you see them. Of course, stopped down to f/5.8 or f/8, these chromatic aberrations disappear. I would be curious if you have any demos showing the EF 85/1.2Lii vs. the RF 85/1.2 stopped down to studio apertures.
Thanks Ken. Unfortunately it has been a year since I had the EF 1.2 II, but antidotally, the Sigma Art seemed like a much better lens just based on the flare I was getting with my hair light, where as the SIgma was crystal clear.
that RF F2 is killing it. I may pick it up. I have the samyang 1.4 for the RF but renders the skin colors orange. I rarely shoot at 1.4 outdoors in the sun.
Great and informative video, thanks! Would like to seek your advice: this RF 85mm F/2 vs Tamron 85mn F/1.8 VC, which one is better? I shoot with Canon EOS RP and don'tind for the extra weight on Tamron due to adapter. Theae two lenses are great in producing omage quality, this is from many YT reviewers. However, I heard that the RF 85mm F/2 has major issue i.e. the slow autofocus. May I have your opinion, pls?
Between the Sigma Art 85mm f1.4 and the Canon RF 85mm f2 would you go with the Canon RF? It seems it was sharper compared to the Sigma throughout your review. Thanks
Thank you this is one I've been looking for to see if the 85 F2 is good enough , now close up then yes , the problem I have is that I only want this and don't need this as I don't do portrait . so I will just have to put up with the RF28-70 F2 and the RF70-200 F2.8 and maybe one day get the 85 F1.2 ( looking up at the shy dreaming ) lol nice to know that the F2 macro may be ok though thanks
You will have to wait a long time , I bought my 85mm.f/2 some time ago and to date Canon have never produced a lens hood for this lens, however don’t worry JJC can supply a really good lens hood for about $15 American. You won’t be disappointed. Cheers.
Halo... May I have your experience using RF 85mm F/2, as I heard this lens has slow autofocus? I am EOS RP shooter and thinking between this lens vs Tamron 85mm F/1.8 VC. Thanks!
I see that this video was made a year ago. I'm looking to by an 85mm RF lens for my Canon RP. What would you recommend that is not crazy expensive? Is it just the Canon 85mm RF lenses that I should be looking at or is the Sigma 85mm an RF lens as well? Also, would you say that 85mm is the best focal length for portrait photography? Thanks for any help!
I do think an 85mm is a great portrait lens and depending on your budget the EF 1.4, sigma EF 1.4 and the RF f2 could be good choices. Just make sure you see part 2 😁
Very interesting review; useful information. I have a decent monitor but not a great monitor and I could only detect a small difference between the RF 1.2 and the f2...up close I couldn't see hardly any difference (except that the Sigma wasn't as good) Hmmm I have been using the OLD canon L 85 EF 1.2 and I bet this RF f2 blows it away and it has been a good lens. I was going to buy the 85 RF 1.2 but might just get by with a RFf2 for now. I do think either will beat my old original EF 85 1.2 it was a C.A. and flare monster.
Thanks Mike! Before you hit buy, please check out part 2. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html I had the EF 1.2 II and I replaced it with the Sigma a year ago and it was a solid upgrade. I got a lot less flare from and less CA.
@@JohnGress Ok just watched...Well damn. I 'll say this for the money that f2 is really a good value. I shoot mostly wide open and not usually in studio. I do all sorts of stuff including portraits...but I usually shoot outdoors and I like shallow depth of field (mostly) So, yes that is another check mark for the 1.2 and even the 1.4. However, f2 is not "slow" by any stretch and I thought I could live with it not being as sharp as the 1.2. wow that is a huge difference in price though. I might get the f2 for NOW and then look for a "refurbished" 1.2 later when available. I think I will email canon CPS and get a loaner to try. Thanks Good stuff!
That makes total sense. The 85f2 is a great value. I would have waited for a refurbished 1.2 lens if i didn’t think I’d be returning it. 🤣 Maybe there will be a $1200 100 f 2.8L soon.
I regret that I didn't move around more within the headshot fame @5.6 once I was at 100%. The macro was sharper in the middle but less DOF or sharpness as you moved around the edge of his face and the Sigma 1.4 and the Canon 1.2 were very close. However the Canon 1.2 does have better contrast, CA and of course it won the full body images. .
Thanks John! I regret that I didn't move around more within the headshot fame @5.6 once I was at 100% The macro was sharper in the middle but less DOF or sharpness as you moved around the edge of his face.
I have the Rokinon RF 85 1.4 and nonoe talks about it. It is super light, fast quiet focus and just beautiful. The only negative is that the lens is a little warmer than my other lenses. But on white people that might be a plus. It cost $650 similar to the RF 85 2 but you get 1.4
Thank you! I have the Sigma Art and recently bought a R5.. was wondering if it is a good chose to switch to Canon RF 85mm f2 lens.. thank you for the comparison!
Thanks for the awesome review! But most of us dont have this kind of fancy studio with perfect lighting. We may need more like a real world review in natural lighting situation.
Thanks for watching. After noticing that everyone else focused on reviewing these lenses with available light and shooting wide open, I made this video because I really wanted to know how the lenses would compare in the studio so I could decide which one I wanted to use. But, I understand where you're coming from.
since rf cannot be used on dslr, i gonna need to mount it with an adapter (i use 6d mk ii). will it affect its performance, esp. contrast and sharpness? i was considering the sigma one but undoubtedly the rf lenses pack more powerful performance
I don’t believe you can put an RF on an EF mount. The sigma is probably your best option. The last canon EF 85 1.4 is probably technically a little better, but I’m not sure.
@John Gress I'll be renting the canon 70-200 2.8 rf. Heard it does an amazing job in portraits and is not a one trick pony. If I'm spending $2800 I want to make sure I get good ROI. Thanks again for the video.
Thank you so much! I just uploaded a part 2 after discovering that the sharpness on the 85 macro falls off rapidly as you leave the center. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
I have the Samyang 1.4 and I am shocked at how good it is. I rented the canon 1.2 to compare. It is easily as sharp and once I updated the firmware no issues on the r5. It has a different overall look than the 1.2 canon but I really like it. Time will tell if it is well built enough for professional use but so far it is an amazing lens. Given the price, I would recommend any photographer using the R system look at it as an option.
Bonjour, très belles photo bravo. J'ai le canon 85 1.8 que j'utilise sur un R6 mk2 abec la hague ef rf. J'hésite a acheter ce sigma pour faire du portrait. Y a t il une grande différence a F5.6. J'ai le sigma 50 1.4 qui fonctionne vraiment bien
Merci beaucoup. Given that your lens is about a 30 year old design, I would expect it to be a lot lower quality than the three lenses I tested. However, given that your camera is only 20mp, it might not matter as much as it would on a 45mp camera.
Yes John, I am now pissed off with you!😉🤣 Having now revisited this review for the second time, I have come to the conclusion that I too shall not be settling for second best! Your reviews are so good, that I feel better about my inevitable decision to invest heavily into the RF system after having used Canon since 1983 when I also invested in my first 85 1.2L which was the FD mount!🙏🏾
I don’t know when one you’re referring too but that sometimes happens when you take a lens off I think when the image stabilization is running. That may not be exactly right but it’s usually an is issue.
@@JohnGress I understand what you are talking about, but this is a slightly different case, this is when you remove the lens without turning off the body, then the stabilization system does not have time to park, but Its not my case. It seems to me that the problem with the RF 85 f / 2.0 is similar to what was on my old ef 50 1.4 there was also a front retractable part and it was a little loose under the influence of gravity
Should I keep my EF85mm L 1.2 MkII and adapt on my R5 , or go with the F2 macro . Or sell & save up for the RF1.2L ? I normally shoot lifestyle , natural light portraits at F2 , and studio portraits at F8 , and product shots at F14 with it.
With those F-Stops in mind, it seems like adapting it could be the way to go. But I sold the lens you're using to get the Sigma lens because it was better optically.
I chose to buy the Sigma lens over that lens after watching reviews and looking at tests which I think I mentioned so I don't expect that it would do well against the RF 1.2
13:45 “ I didn’t even notice that it wasn’t that sharp.” Perception is reality. And the perception that matters the most is that of your audience, not your pixel peepers. All three lenses are fantastic in terms of sharpness. I think this message is lost a little bit. Anyway, great video.
Once again Canon showed why their signature lenses cost so much. When you’re trying to make your images stand out their 85, 135, and 28-70 have a special look. They are good quality and last in pro use.
Even after watching this IM STILL in a pickle LOL. I don’t want to break my bank with the 1.2 this is my problem. Sharpness is my main focus and my greatest pet peeve. If I can get sharp images everytime that’s what I aim for. I do have an RF 35mm f/1.8 macro so maybe I guess I’ll just get the 85mm 1.2 since I already have a macro lens? Lol at the moment im focused on only renting the 1.2 on occasion especially for weddings only. And in the meantime I guess I’ll buy the 85mm macro and when I make enough money from my shoots I’ll buy the 1.2 instead of renting… BUT lol
Hello, ignoring other factors that only care about the sharpness and color of the image, Canon RF 85 f2 is still very good, isn't it, I don't need bokeh and background removal. Thank ( Google Translate)
I prefer the look of the 85 f/2 in your examples. There is distortion with the 85 1.2 making the model's head look unnatural. Macro lenses are known for having very little distortion. Sorry.
Make sure you watch part 2. Sharpest 85mm lens for Canon R5 RF 85mm f2 Macro v RF 1.2 L USM v EF Sigma Art 1.4 EOS Review Part 2 ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Why is chromatic aberration ALWAYS considered the bane of a photographer’s existence in these comparison videos when it is so easily corrected in post production? 🤦🏼♂️
CA correction is like a flesh colored band-aid. You might not notice it from a far but it it doesn't make the cut go away when you look up close. Then of course there is video and that is a whole other issue.
In part 2 I go over mid frame and corner sharpness which reveals the macro's apparent weakness - ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
As with everything you do, so well done! Thanks for sharing your time and expertise...it is always much appreciated! For anyone thinking about taking one of John's workshops, I highly recommend it...it's even better getting to learn from him in person!
Thanks Sara! You are the best. I also hope you checked out Part 2 of this review. .
Awesome review.
I have been putting off getting this body lens combo. I need to dive in by summer.
It is refreshing to see a RUclips Chanel that knows what they are doing.
I grew up on an RZ and canon A-1
Been a canon shooter since 1983
Thank you so much! My last film camera was an RB. =)
Hahaha, I follow you on instagram and just searched "85mm f2 vs sigma art 85mm 1.4" and you're the first in my search result! Awesome work🙌🏼
Awesome! Thank you! I hope you checked out Part 2, it's very insightful - ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
@@JohnGress did per this recommendation! These vids helped me decide on the RF f2. Thanks again
For some reason i want to call this review as very smooth or floating probably because the fluency when he talks, no micro-jitters ... ;)
My RF 85/2 is arriving today to replace the older EF 85/1.8 ... the 1.2 is way beyond my pocket as an enthusiast.
Great video, John
Thank you so much! I feel like I am finally getting comfortable on camera. Given what I saw here you're going to be very happy! ruclips.net/video/O7zyv_Iym00/видео.html
Brilliant comparison, was waiting to see something like this!
Thanks man! Make sure you check out part 2. It really shows the f2 Macros short comings. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Subscribed, contents are well made and informative. Keep It up
Thank you so much!!
Another excellent video...thank you. Well I've a hard time parting with any of my "L" and Art lenses for the RF engineered plastic replacements...but I did buy the RF 24-70 after selling my "L" 50/1.2. I did compare two RF lens rentals and to my eye, my "L" 85/1.4, 24/1.4 and Art 135 were just as sharp w/o any focusing issues, but the RF 50/1.2 outperformed the "L". Used my R (selling) and R5...RF adapters are great.
Glad it was helpful! Im putting my Sigma Art lens on ebay tonight.
Best review by far!! You deserve way more views
Thank you so much! Be sure to watch part 2
Great video! I actually just ordered the canon RF 85 f2 this morning but still happy that I came across this video to support the decision already made. Also found it great that you said “call your mom” 😂. I call my mom daily!! Thanks for the vid.
Awesome! Thank you! I hope you saw part 2 too. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
@@JohnGress I missed that. I’ll check it out for sure.
Fantastic info John! You now convinced me that after beginning my career back in the mid eighties by investing in the Canon FD 85 1.2L , I shall now do the same to own the RF version as my last Canon 85mm of my career! Pricey ,yes, but it will last a lifetime!😉🙏🏾
Thanks Eugene. Barring a mount change it will hold it's value too. I Regret that I didn't move around more within the headshot fame @5.6 once I was at 100% The Macro was sharper in the middle but less DOF or sharpness as you moved around the edge of his face.
I just added that info in part 2: ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Interesting to note as well is the fact that the rf 85mm f1.2 is the most zoomed in of the bunch. I've actually seen in several reviews that the sigma 85mm is actually a few mm short of a true 85mm. I think the f1.2 is actually a hair longer than 85mm (which will give a bit more compression and blur) so I actually like that personally.
Getting caught up on my JG videos cause, ya know, can't be missing any! Digging the Christmas change up in the intro music. Love these comparisons. Frankly I'm shocked with the Sigma ART, those lenses have always been razor sharp when you nail focus so to see it lagging behind the Canon glass is surprising. Maybe if and when they bring out their RF mount lenses the sharpness will get back on par with the Canon glass. I still haven't pulled the trigger on any RF glass yet, I'm not sure where I want to go, lol.
Thanks man! I hear all of that, 100. I was blown away that the Canon lenses were so much better. If it wasn't for using my C200 for most of my videos, I would unload all my EF lenses. But until there is a RAW capable budget C camera I will be holding on. I did however sell my Sigma 85 on ebay yesterday but they haven't paid yet, I hope its not because they saw my video!
Great comparison, John!! Thanks for sharing your findings.
Thanks man! I really appreciate it. I only regret that I didn't move around more within the headshot fame @5.6 once I was at 100% before I made the video. The macro was sharper in the middle but less DOF or sharpness as you moved around the edge of his face and overall the Sigma 1.4 and the Canon 1.2 were very close and preferrable to the macro once we got to the mid frame. However the Canon 1.2 compared to the Sigma does have better contrast, CA and of course it won the full body images.
I just added that info in part 2: ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Thank you, sir for your time and effort making this great 85mm lens shout out. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks! I hope you watched part 2.
Dude your work is amazing. Awesome video btw.
Thank you so much!
Thank you for all this. This was incredibly helpful. I’m happy that the expensive price tag is justified at least, even though it’s tough on the wallet!
Thanks and sorry about that. Part 2 shows that the 1.2 is even better than expected.
What a great video. You look great, your pictures, and the sound and color is exceptional. Since what you do is close to what I do (no hockey or basketball) what you showed is perfect! Subscribed>
Wow, thank you so much Neil! I hope you saw part 2: ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html I am going to make a RF 70-200 f2.8 v f4 video soon too.
Great comparison John. Your production value is second to none!
Thanks Larry! I hope you saw part 2 as well ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Thanks. Great review. I just ordered my 85mm 1.2. I have been shooting the Sigma 85 ART for the past two years and I love it. I am however now on the mirrorless system and feel my images could be just a bit sharper. The ART lenses are incredible lenses on my 5DMIV but I have since sold that body.
I know how you feel. Everything was really clear in part 2. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
@@JohnGress I just received my 85 RF this weekend. Holy Cow! Very cool. It is a monster and a bit gurthier than the Sigma.
Thanks for putting this video together! I was eyeballing an 85 mm
Thanks Pat! This f2 is pretty damn good and hitting way above its weight! It should be $900 and the 1.2 $1600! =P
Excellent review man. Thank you. This was very similar to how I shoot. So looks like I'm stuck going for the 1.2 🤣
Thank you so much! I hope you saw part 2 as well. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
I’m probably going to hang out for the RF 100 macro or Sigma 85 DGDN, great reviews from the e mount camp.
85 isn’t my favourite focal length to spend the big bucks, and where I really like to use it is on my Fuji XT4 with the 56mm 1.2 apsc.
Thanks Rob! That does seem like a lens they should launch soon.
I love that Laing’s video also gave you 85mm lens anxiety 😅😂 I’ve been using the EF 85mm 1.8 for years. I think I have an exceptionally sharp copy, but I nonetheless thought the new Macro RF lens would be sharper. I think I’m just going to keep dancing with the lady who brought me. Great video
Ha! Thanks Noah. It was weird how the sharpness in the corders really fell off with the f2 in Part 2. If they ever make a non macro gold lens, I bet it will out perform the Sigma.
Thanks for the video! Really helpful
Thank you so much! I am glad it helped!
Great video John, thanks!
Thank you so much! If you haven't already seen part 2 you might want to check it out. I realized after the fact the macro's true weakness - ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
i got the 85mmf2 a few weeks ago and im liking the quality of it on my RP. For more studio uses, i like to use the RF 24-105 f4, it's incredibly sharp and versatile. The low price and weight is a good feature as well on the F4.
85mm f2 is considerably sharper than the 24-105 f4L.
Great video and I like your models choice!
Thanks! It’s hard to beat freckles.
Hi John. Me again from over the pond. Great video once again! I remember you asking me a little while ago what I thought of the RF 85 1.2 since I had one and me saying how much I loved it, with the fact I had absolutely no chromatic aberration. The sharpness is staggering. As a product photographer, I’m now waiting for the RF100 2.8 macro as the EF is my go to lens for most of my work. I have been toying with the idea of the RF85 f2 for my arsenal but will hold out for the 100. Thanks for this informative video!
Thank man! I am toying with the idea of comparing the two macros before I return this one.
This is a great and helpful review! Thank you!
Thanks man! After spending 12 hours editing this thing, I wish I had played up the f2. It is really a tremendous value!
@@JohnGress oh thanks okay! You do mention it’s a great lens! I don’t think that was lost. Ha! I guess I’ll say up for the 1.2 RF though. Love the extra sharpness!
Planning ahead for 90mp!
Great detailed pro-grade video. Thank you for your hard work.
Thank you! I am glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for this. I still haven't jumped into the RF system yet. It's a big gulp. The 85 is my money lens so this is a great video. One point you don't mention is carrying round the 1.2 all day even in studio is a real challenge. I still cannot decide what I would do but tbh that is a huge factor. If you really don't need the 1.2 1.4 f-stop and shooting with flash predominantly and are at f 7.1/8 most of the time I am not sure the big extra money or weight are worth it. The 1.2 looks more like a 90mm based on this an other reviews. Not sure why they did that.
Thanks Peter! This afternoon I will probably post a supplemental video to this one that shows what the lenses look like at 5.6-8 away from the center. Basically the macro is crazy sharp in the middle and then falls off. Whereas the models hair is sharper in the non macro images.
@@JohnGress I am also "pissed off" because I more than likely will have to buy the RF 1.2 lol. I have tried to learn not to buy things twice and just get the best one first...
ha! 100% ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Love the review! Thanks a lot!
Thank you so much! Make sure you check out part 2. It really shows the f2 Macros short comings. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Thank you for this careful testing and presentation! I recently upgraded from the 5Dmk2 to the R5 and I've found that the R5 makes painfully obvious flaws in EF L-class lenses that didn't bother me so much in the past. The 85/1.2Lii still takes breathtakingly beautiful shots with great contrast, but working with wide apertures, the false color in hair and in reflections on glasses' frames and the like is really objectionable at high magnification. It's hard to un-see these things once you see them. Of course, stopped down to f/5.8 or f/8, these chromatic aberrations disappear. I would be curious if you have any demos showing the EF 85/1.2Lii vs. the RF 85/1.2 stopped down to studio apertures.
Thanks Ken. Unfortunately it has been a year since I had the EF 1.2 II, but antidotally, the Sigma Art seemed like a much better lens just based on the flare I was getting with my hair light, where as the SIgma was crystal clear.
that RF F2 is killing it. I may pick it up. I have the samyang 1.4 for the RF but renders the skin colors orange. I rarely shoot at 1.4 outdoors in the sun.
That is a really great point. I hope you check out part 2 as it sheds more light on the f2. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
In the highlights the 1.2 y clearly smoother and have details. Most important for me to sharpen details
Great video, well done, im gonna buy the 85mm 1.2
You have sold me on it :)
Thanks! It became even more clear in part 2 ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Wow thank you. This was PERFECT. beautiful stuff
Thank you so much! I hope you saw part 2 too!
Great video. I’d be curious to see how my Canon 85 1.4 IS compares to these.
Thanks! It looks like your lens and the Sigma Art are pretty similar. ruclips.net/video/ofR2qRcE6aw/видео.html
Great review, very well done, thanks.
Thank you so much! I hope you saw part 2! - ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Incredible precise comparison, thank You. New subscriber here.
Awesome, thank you!
This was super helpful!
Thanks! That’s great to hear.
thanks John, very useful
Glad to hear that!
I hope you saw part 2 ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Great and informative video, thanks! Would like to seek your advice: this RF 85mm F/2 vs Tamron 85mn F/1.8 VC, which one is better? I shoot with Canon EOS RP and don'tind for the extra weight on Tamron due to adapter. Theae two lenses are great in producing omage quality, this is from many YT reviewers. However, I heard that the RF 85mm F/2 has major issue i.e. the slow autofocus.
May I have your opinion, pls?
Thank you. I don’t have an opinion as I have never used the Tamron lens.
Between the Sigma Art 85mm f1.4 and the Canon RF 85mm f2 would you go with the Canon RF? It seems it was sharper compared to the Sigma throughout your review. Thanks
I think it’s pretty clear in part two that the Sigma our performs the f2 in some respects. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Thank you this is one I've been looking for to see if the 85 F2 is good enough , now close up then yes , the problem I have is that I only want this and don't need this as I don't do portrait . so I will just have to put up with the RF28-70 F2 and the RF70-200 F2.8 and maybe one day get the 85 F1.2 ( looking up at the shy dreaming ) lol nice to know that the F2 macro may be ok though thanks
Thanks Brian! Now this is just an assumption but I bet the 85f2 would out preform your zooms at 85ish in any situation.
@@JohnGress don't know the RF 28-70 f2 is as good as a prime only just not an 85mm
You worked hard on this project. Thanks for making the effort. --BAK--
Thank you so much! I hope you saw part 2 ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
You will have to wait a long time , I bought my 85mm.f/2 some time ago and to date Canon have never produced a lens hood for this lens, however don’t worry JJC can supply a really good lens hood for about $15 American. You won’t be disappointed. Cheers.
Halo... May I have your experience using RF 85mm F/2, as I heard this lens has slow autofocus? I am EOS RP shooter and thinking between this lens vs Tamron 85mm F/1.8 VC. Thanks!
I see that this video was made a year ago. I'm looking to by an 85mm RF lens for my Canon RP. What would you recommend that is not crazy expensive? Is it just the Canon 85mm RF lenses that I should be looking at or is the Sigma 85mm an RF lens as well?
Also, would you say that 85mm is the best focal length for portrait photography? Thanks for any help!
I do think an 85mm is a great portrait lens and depending on your budget the EF 1.4, sigma EF 1.4 and the RF f2 could be good choices. Just make sure you see part 2 😁
Do you think that the 85mm f2 is a good substitute for beauty photographs over the 100mm macro? Thanks for the amazing review!
Possibly. Part 2 might turn you off tho
Very interesting review; useful information. I have a decent monitor but not a great monitor and I could only detect a small difference between the RF 1.2 and the f2...up close I couldn't see hardly any difference (except that the Sigma wasn't as good) Hmmm I have been using the OLD canon L 85 EF 1.2 and I bet this RF f2 blows it away and it has been a good lens. I was going to buy the 85 RF 1.2 but might just get by with a RFf2 for now. I do think either will beat my old original EF 85 1.2 it was a C.A. and flare monster.
Thanks Mike! Before you hit buy, please check out part 2. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
I had the EF 1.2 II and I replaced it with the Sigma a year ago and it was a solid upgrade. I got a lot less flare from and less CA.
@@JohnGress Ok just watched...Well damn. I 'll say this for the money that f2 is really a good value. I shoot mostly wide open and not usually in studio. I do all sorts of stuff including portraits...but I usually shoot outdoors and I like shallow depth of field (mostly) So, yes that is another check mark for the 1.2 and even the 1.4. However, f2 is not "slow" by any stretch and I thought I could live with it not being as sharp as the 1.2. wow that is a huge difference in price though. I might get the f2 for NOW and then look for a "refurbished" 1.2 later when available. I think I will email canon CPS and get a loaner to try. Thanks Good stuff!
That makes total sense. The 85f2 is a great value. I would have waited for a refurbished 1.2 lens if i didn’t think I’d be returning it. 🤣 Maybe there will be a $1200 100 f 2.8L soon.
I'm such a huge fan of the Sigma 85mm 1.4. Still my favorite lens.
I regret that I didn't move around more within the headshot fame @5.6 once I was at 100%. The macro was sharper in the middle but less DOF or sharpness as you moved around the edge of his face and the Sigma 1.4 and the Canon 1.2 were very close. However the Canon 1.2 does have better contrast, CA and of course it won the full body images. .
I just added that info in part 2: ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
@@JohnGress I'll check it out!
Great video! I know I’m late to seeing it
Thank you so much! I hope you watched part 2 too!
Thank you. This was definitely the outside the box experiment.
Thanks John! I regret that I didn't move around more within the headshot fame @5.6 once I was at 100% The macro was sharper in the middle but less DOF or sharpness as you moved around the edge of his face.
I just added that info in part 2: ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
I have the Rokinon RF 85 1.4 and nonoe talks about it. It is super light, fast quiet focus and just beautiful. The only negative is that the lens is a little warmer than my other lenses. But on white people that might be a plus. It cost $650 similar to the RF 85 2 but you get 1.4
Hey how does it comparr to the ef85 1.8. also do you have issues with comparability with canons soft ban on 3rd party lens
Thank you! I have the Sigma Art and recently bought a R5.. was wondering if it is a good chose to switch to Canon RF 85mm f2 lens.. thank you for the comparison!
Sure thing! I hope you wanted part 2 as well!
@@JohnGress thank you for the 2nd part, viewed it multiple times :)
I will keep my Sigma Art EF lens. Have a nice day!
Thanks for the awesome review! But most of us dont have this kind of fancy studio with perfect lighting. We may need more like a real world review in natural lighting situation.
Thanks for watching. After noticing that everyone else focused on reviewing these lenses with available light and shooting wide open, I made this video because I really wanted to know how the lenses would compare in the studio so I could decide which one I wanted to use. But, I understand where you're coming from.
Great video 🙂
Thank you 😁 I hope you saw part 2 as well.
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Thank you so much! I made the comparison because I couldn't find what I needed to know to make my own decision.
beautifully explained, lots of love from india ❤ !
Thank you so much! I hope you saw part 2. 😁
how fast are autofocus ?
since rf cannot be used on dslr, i gonna need to mount it with an adapter (i use 6d mk ii).
will it affect its performance, esp. contrast and sharpness? i was considering the sigma one but undoubtedly the rf lenses pack more powerful performance
I don’t believe you can put an RF on an EF mount. The sigma is probably your best option. The last canon EF 85 1.4 is probably technically a little better, but I’m not sure.
By looking at the Canon vs Hasselblad comparison it’s very clear that the Canon has more detail.
Have you ever tried the Rokinon 85 1.4 rf? Curious how it compares.
Sorry, I haven't.
@John Gress I'll be renting the canon 70-200 2.8 rf. Heard it does an amazing job in portraits and is not a one trick pony. If I'm spending $2800 I want to make sure I get good ROI. Thanks again for the video.
@@JaredHoyman There is sort of a video for that too ruclips.net/video/uGXTsV5YLgY/видео.html
The RF 85mm F2 is the people's portrait lens. The RF 85mm F1.2 is a monster.
When you see the Sigma 105mm f1.4, you'll know who the real monster is. 😁
Fantastic comparison! Very informative.
Thank you so much! I just uploaded a part 2 after discovering that the sharpness on the 85 macro falls off rapidly as you leave the center. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
I have the Samyang 1.4 and I am shocked at how good it is. I rented the canon 1.2 to compare. It is easily as sharp and once I updated the firmware no issues on the r5. It has a different overall look than the 1.2 canon but I really like it. Time will tell if it is well built enough for professional use but so far it is an amazing lens. Given the price, I would recommend any photographer using the R system look at it as an option.
Sounds like you should make a video too!
@@JohnGress Better to leave it to people like you , besides I dont think I have a single shirt in m wardrobe that will compete with yours.
LOL thanks! Plus you'll be saving time, I think this video took me 20 hours to shoot and edit. =)
Bonjour, très belles photo bravo. J'ai le canon 85 1.8 que j'utilise sur un R6 mk2 abec la hague ef rf. J'hésite a acheter ce sigma pour faire du portrait. Y a t il une grande différence a F5.6. J'ai le sigma 50 1.4 qui fonctionne vraiment bien
Merci beaucoup. Given that your lens is about a 30 year old design, I would expect it to be a lot lower quality than the three lenses I tested. However, given that your camera is only 20mp, it might not matter as much as it would on a 45mp camera.
I only have the sigma 18 35mm for my canon r6. Do you recommend me upgrading to this lens sir?
I think an 85mm or something covering 85mm is something everyone should have for portraits.
@@JohnGress wonderful thanks
Yes John, I am now pissed off with you!😉🤣 Having now revisited this review for the second time, I have come to the conclusion that I too shall not be settling for second best! Your reviews are so good, that I feel better about my inevitable decision to invest heavily into the RF system after having used Canon since 1983 when I also invested in my first 85 1.2L which was the FD mount!🙏🏾
Sorry Eugene ;) At least the resale value will hold =)
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The canon lens gave better skin color and detail for what it’s worth by judging on youtube :) great video!
Thank you so much! For what its worth, It was pretty clear in 4k on my 5k imac.
@@JohnGress on my ipad pro it was visible.
Would have loved to see the macro shoot an actual macro shot but I get that wasn’t the point of the video. Great analysis btw 👍
Thank you!
85mm f2 good or bad
when you slightly shake lens, does it has free play of inner barrel (wobble)
I don’t know when one you’re referring too but that sometimes happens when you take a lens off I think when the image stabilization is running. That may not be exactly right but it’s usually an is issue.
@@JohnGress I understand what you are talking about, but this is a slightly different case, this is when you remove the lens without turning off the body, then the stabilization system does not have time to park, but Its not my case.
It seems to me that the problem with the RF 85 f / 2.0 is similar to what was on my old ef 50 1.4 there was also a front retractable part and it was a little loose under the influence of gravity
Oh I see. Based on my results, I returned the lens after I made with video, maybe even before.
I am sticking with my cheapie EF 85mm f1.8. No one pays for my photos so I can’t warrant spending so much.
Big Bertha is unrivaled.
That’s my “bottle of wine”
They need to bring out a proper RF 85 1.8
Should I keep my EF85mm L 1.2 MkII and adapt on my R5 , or go with the F2 macro . Or sell & save up for the RF1.2L ?
I normally shoot lifestyle , natural light portraits at F2 , and studio portraits at F8 , and product shots at F14 with it.
With those F-Stops in mind, it seems like adapting it could be the way to go. But I sold the lens you're using to get the Sigma lens because it was better optically.
@@JohnGress thanks , I'll tests it with adapter first, then maybe borrow rent the others to test with 👍
Silly but…. Call your mum hit well 😁
Great review
Was considering the RF f2 for weddings
But risky it seems
Thanks. It could be. Part 2 is a little more illustrative ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Sigma 50 1.4 vs RF 50 1.8 vs RF 50 1.2 next?
Probably the EF35 1.4 v RF 35 1.8. I really need an EF 50 for my C200 video camera so I am reluctant to switch over to the RF.
The new Sigma 85 art is better then the old one, sharper and no CA and its only 630g. but its for Sony mount.
I’ll switch over then 😛
i really dont understand the complains about weight of the f1.2 lens. its 3lbs .... thats nothing
If I have rd 24-70 f2.8 , do I need a Rf 85f2?
I supposed it wouldn’t be that much different than what you have.
1)which prime a good suggestion in your opinion
2)also suggest a compact sharp a all round carry
Either one of the other 2 85s in this video.
I am a wedding photographer.. and I want to buy Lens .....is canon 85mm f2 ... be suitable ??
Most likely. You might want to check out part 2 - ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
I wish I had seen this video 3 days ago I just ordered a sigma art 85mm 1.4 🥺🥺
Oh no! Well you can always return it. I hope you saw part two, it might change your mind. ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
sigma 85 f1.4 is very good lens this price
Of all my work i use ef sigma and they are really good cheaper than rf. And my clients cant even tell if its ef lens or rf .
how about canon 85mm 1.4 ef is lens
I chose to buy the Sigma lens over that lens after watching reviews and looking at tests which I think I mentioned so I don't expect that it would do well against the RF 1.2
13:45 “ I didn’t even notice that it wasn’t that sharp.” Perception is reality. And the perception that matters the most is that of your audience, not your pixel peepers. All three lenses are fantastic in terms of sharpness. I think this message is lost a little bit. Anyway, great video.
I hear you. I did however discover quite a bit of difference in part II ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
Once again Canon showed why their signature lenses cost so much. When you’re trying to make your images stand out their 85, 135, and 28-70 have a special look. They are good quality and last in pro use.
Fantastic lenses!
Thanks
Thank you!
Doesn’t help 😢.. I don’t have a R5 or R6
Ugh this is rough…I don’t know what to do 😩😩😩
Hopefully part 2 will help!
@@JohnGress oh I didn’t see that
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Even after watching this IM STILL in a pickle LOL. I don’t want to break my bank with the 1.2 this is my problem. Sharpness is my main focus and my greatest pet peeve. If I can get sharp images everytime that’s what I aim for. I do have an RF 35mm f/1.8 macro so maybe I guess I’ll just get the 85mm 1.2 since I already have a macro lens? Lol at the moment im focused on only renting the 1.2 on occasion especially for weddings only. And in the meantime I guess I’ll buy the 85mm macro and when I make enough money from my shoots I’ll buy the 1.2 instead of renting…
BUT lol
I hear ya. Part 2 might help you decide- ruclips.net/video/YcWtQmFtAi8/видео.html
well you could have rented out the lens to perform the test !
RF 1.2 looks better when it comes to portrait.
I hope you watched part 2
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Hello, ignoring other factors that only care about the sharpness and color of the image, Canon RF 85 f2 is still very good, isn't it, I don't need bokeh and background removal. Thank ( Google Translate)
Thanks. I ythink the F2 is a very good choice for the money. I discovered in part 2 that it was not as sharp around the middle frame or edges.
Bad guy! :P
I prefer the look of the 85 f/2 in your examples. There is distortion with the 85 1.2 making the model's head look unnatural. Macro lenses are known for having very little distortion. Sorry.
Make sure you watch part 2.
Sharpest 85mm lens for Canon R5 RF 85mm f2 Macro v RF 1.2 L USM v EF Sigma Art 1.4 EOS Review Part 2
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I mean, you're talking about lenses vastly different in prices. Obviously, the f1.2 will be better than the f2. They are 2500 euros apart.
On the other hand there are not three lenses that cost $2600.
Why is chromatic aberration ALWAYS considered the bane of a photographer’s existence in these comparison videos when it is so easily corrected in post production? 🤦🏼♂️
CA correction is like a flesh colored band-aid. You might not notice it from a far but it it doesn't make the cut go away when you look up close. Then of course there is video and that is a whole other issue.
@@JohnGress No one but pro pixel peepers "look up close." 🤪