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  • Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2024

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  • @ThePonderingWoodworker
    @ThePonderingWoodworker Год назад +19

    I watch a lot of videos and I've seen this matter discussed dozens of times, even a few visual representations. This was the best, and showed the proper way to correct it too.

  • @marchebert9813
    @marchebert9813 Год назад +11

    This is, by far, the best video on panel glue ups on youtube. Thank you.

  • @michaelbauer7023
    @michaelbauer7023 Год назад +27

    Well done. Something that most of us "know", but you laid it out in a way that is difficult to ignore in the future. This approach eliminates the need for cauls 75% of the time. Thank you for illustrating this in a simple way!

  • @bobhally2951
    @bobhally2951 Год назад +55

    Wow! I have certainly been guilty of "Cranking, and Cranking" the clamps until my arms hurt. You just blew my mind Jason. I feel like i just turned the corner on my woodworking skill set. Thank you for sharing this information.

  • @bossanovawoodworks
    @bossanovawoodworks Год назад +13

    Man this would have saved me so much sanding time in the past. Thank you for this, Jason!

  • @SamWanamaker1
    @SamWanamaker1 Год назад +8

    One very important thing I would make sure people do with this method, is not just pay attention to the straightedge going flat, but also that you still have the seams together, and not opening the clamp so far that the seams are coming apart.

  • @davidsavage2650
    @davidsavage2650 Год назад +5

    This is an excellent video to explain how to do this. This is exactly what I do and I have had the hardest time explaining this to people who have worked for me through the years. Well done! Thank you and keep it up.

  • @chriscflint
    @chriscflint Год назад +1

    I have done woodwork for about 55 years and this is one of the best advice videos and lessons I have learned, thank you.

  • @tpaulsmith7194
    @tpaulsmith7194 Год назад +19

    I feel like I attended a master class with all your presentations. Thank you.

  • @tedrzz
    @tedrzz Год назад

    Thanks Jason! I used this technique yesterday during a glue-up and was surprised how cupped my panel was when I initially put the straight edge down. Saved me lots of sanding! Thanks again.

  • @M_M0109
    @M_M0109 Год назад +7

    This may be the best woodworking video I've seen in a long time. I've struggled with flat panel glue ups and it was likely caused by overtightening. Thank you for this masterfully explained process. You just gained a subscriber.

  • @macd1154
    @macd1154 Год назад +2

    Fantastic video! I tend to always over tighten, and have to spend way too long trying to sand it flat! Thank you very much

  • @justinthames940
    @justinthames940 Год назад +1

    Love this process glad I saw this right before I'm about to glue up a table.. wood whisperer did a great analysis about parallel clamps and mentioned how they are not the best for glue ups on panels due to bar flexing causing a bow. That was a good visual representation! I'll use a mix of parallel and pipe clamps and use this technique for sure

    • @worldtreedesign
      @worldtreedesign Год назад +1

      Pipe clamps apply more pressure than a parallel clamp however they will also bow. Alternate top and bottom with whatever clamp you decide to use and check for flat with a straight edge like Jason says.

  • @leroymellix5647
    @leroymellix5647 Год назад

    Thank you Sir, your comments and the cadence of your delivery are spot on. There was a time when we had to build a clamp rack for a glue up and close the joints flatten the work with the wedges in the rack system. You hit the method of operation right on. Love the wood grain!

  • @gavinfeargrieve4874
    @gavinfeargrieve4874 Год назад

    A master class in an essential wood working skill- flat panel glue ups! Great video. As I watched your video I was remembering the evolution of this glue up process in our own shop. Currently, we do it exactly as shown - in every detail. But, we have had employees that swore by using cauls and cranking the clamps to the breaking point. In fact, one fella did successfully prove his strength by breaking a pipe clamp! We had to wonder if there was any glue left in the joint!

  • @boomvader
    @boomvader Год назад +6

    Super helpful, Jason. I am in the middle of building 2 desks for each of my sons and the first turned out not so flat. Will incorporate these tips on the next one! Thanks!

  • @matthewlose9446
    @matthewlose9446 Год назад +2

    I’ve not watched your channel before. I thoroughly enjoyed this tutorial. Well spoken and well thought out. From my personal experience I like to tap the boards with a block and a no bounce mallet as they are drawing up and I feel that the gentle shock helps the biscuits get seated all the way. Nice job!

  • @kencoleman7762
    @kencoleman7762 Год назад +7

    Another very useful and straightforward video. Thanks.

  • @Starman3539
    @Starman3539 Год назад +2

    This is an excellent video in the sence that it reveals that pressure and anti-pressure may be used to correct a number of combined surfaces. Purely brilliant. Thank you for showing to us. I would be very interested to see the final product (if possible). Thanks again.

  • @ChimeraActual
    @ChimeraActual Год назад

    I like it.
    Back in the 70's and 80's [yes, yes, codger comments coming...] I made NACA section wooden daggerboards, keels, and rudders for racing sailboats from 1' x 3' x 1 to 12' x 4' x 4", as well as laminating other boat bits. They had to resist warping, cupping, or other changes in shape over time, so they had to be laminated. Here's how I did it: Choose the widest, straightest, minimal figured, minimal runout boards, quartersawn if available, but there are workarounds for flatsawn. Joint and Thickness plane to uniform size. Match the full planks for grain runout and position, and mark the ends with a code like this: starting at 3/4", every ~1 1/2" with a number and an arrow pointing up. Rip them down to 1 1/2" or thereabouts, depending on efficient use of plank width. Lay them out in numerical order with the arrows alternating up and down by rolling over every other piece 180 degrees That cancels out the internal forces. Cut spline slots with a router and flycutter bit that cuts a 1/2" deep slot, and cut the length of the piece, half deep climbing cut followed by a full cut the other way, cheaper and faster than biscuits or dominos. Make splines of similar wood, high runout a bonus, or endgrain if you have the time.
    Glue up as Bent does, he just taught me something. Of course I used epoxy, you use what you like. If it's a foil you're making, then markup and shape to section. Mine never warped

  • @johnprentice1527
    @johnprentice1527 Год назад

    Thank you for a really clear demonstration of how clamping pressure helps determine perfect flatness in a glue-up.

  • @gordon8858
    @gordon8858 11 месяцев назад +2

    Truly amazing, who would have thought that would give you a perfect surface "Obviously with machined surfaces before hand"
    But a brilliant piece of advice. Thank you for sharing it with us.

  • @lawrencenoctor2703
    @lawrencenoctor2703 Год назад

    This technique was very old when I trained 55 years ago. It is a good method but hardly qualifies as genius though many handymen on utube seem consider themselves so. Thank you.

  • @tsaltyginger
    @tsaltyginger Год назад +4

    I am surprised people don't already do that. This is also a common mistake with shaker doors. When clamping the edge it can cause the edges of a door to bow up or down if over tighten. Great demonstration.

  • @RYwoodview
    @RYwoodview Год назад +16

    Great lesson. I knew that just joining the edges is enough, but I thought the way to ensure flatness was to use cauls. That may sometimes matter, but to know that you can achieve that just through careful side clamp pressure makes this much simpler. Thanks, Jason!

    • @RYwoodview
      @RYwoodview Год назад

      @@mm9773 Good points.

    • @DaleLSeth
      @DaleLSeth 11 месяцев назад

      So, how much does that biscuit drill cost? It seems dowels would work well and possibly save the additional cost of that biscuit tool.

    • @travisedwards9983
      @travisedwards9983 10 месяцев назад

      $100 USD for a corded Ryobi to about $240 for a good cordless Dewalt, so not very expensive@@DaleLSeth

  • @KyleBruns
    @KyleBruns Год назад +1

    That was the best example of why you should not over tighten clamps that I have seen thus far. Thank you!

  • @Gaga85894
    @Gaga85894 2 месяца назад

    I knew I would never need the skills learned in wood shop in Junior High. I learn more in an hour on RUclips, than a semester of woodshop.

  • @tomfull6637
    @tomfull6637 Год назад +2

    Thx. You just spared me the job in the future of additional clamping vertically!

  • @michaelroberts2863
    @michaelroberts2863 Год назад +1

    Perfect video - thank you... I can't wait to try all of this out on my next panel glue up, particularly the genius trick! And how have only 2% of views liked this video?? How could you watch this and not like it??!

  • @aucomint
    @aucomint Год назад

    Probably one of the most useful trick I have ever heard. I happened to glue up a panel a couple weeks ago and guess what, it's not perfectly flat. Yet I saw it during the glueing process and I thought I could get rid of those defaults by tapping down with my hammer. But no. The panel is still not flat. If only I'd known this trick before. Anyway I will have some more panels to make pretty soon and I'm sure I will think of you. Thank you for sharing this wonderful trick.

  • @hustletradinginvesting8453
    @hustletradinginvesting8453 7 месяцев назад

    You are awesome. I made that overclamp mistake and saw it cup and freaked out. I used 1/2 dowels on 2x4 table top about 70 dowels over 2 weeks a few at a time. It was exhausting. Thanks so much for your clear explanation.

  • @Greg-fs8np
    @Greg-fs8np Год назад

    Excellent tip! Thank you. So true, the instinctual reaction is to try and "tighten" your way out of this problem.

  • @eddierobbertse8957
    @eddierobbertse8957 7 месяцев назад +1

    This video gives me a ton of confidence for my next large glue-up. Thank you!

  • @rb-ex
    @rb-ex Год назад

    very nice methodical work all the way through, and excellent the way you crank up the pressure and then back it off just so, and achieve flatness caul-free by adjusting the relative tension of top and bottom clamps. it's all based on a clear understanding of the materials and forces involved. i have one observation. i dont know how long those boards have been in your shop or when/where they were jointed and planed, but for boards like this i am not going to rely on the rough end dressing from the yard. since i'm probably going to keep boards like this in my shop for at least a couple weeks to give them time to adjust to temp-humidity, first thing i'm gonna do is trim the ends 90 degrees with a finishing cross-cut blade, and then i'm gonna seal those glass-smooth ends. i use my own boiled linseed oil/beeswax mix, but of course you can use anything that seals including spray paint and maybe even masking tape. point is to minimize surface area and block moisture transfer through the ends of the boards, forcing the boards to release (or absorb) moisture much more slowly, resulting in better stability while it's in the shop

  • @mmcollins3
    @mmcollins3 Год назад +1

    Well said. And absolutely the edge prep is key to a successful panel/tabletop glue-up. But like you said, that's a different video. For me, I like to incorporate a spring joint. Especially in a panel or top where using Dominos, biscuits or dowels is not possible or practical. Find that it helps with flushing up the edges.

  • @bryancaviness8788
    @bryancaviness8788 10 месяцев назад +2

    Dude, super helpful and so simple. Thank you. This will make me better.

  • @SandyMasquith
    @SandyMasquith Год назад

    Wow!!! Finally! Thank you so much. I am definitely guilty of over-tightening the clamps on my panel glue-ups. Now I understand why I have had so much trouble getting flat panels. Definitely learned something here. Hopefully my next dining room table will be easier to get to flat after glue-up. :)

  • @peterbaker8677
    @peterbaker8677 Год назад +4

    Thanks for the great video Jason! I struggle with flat panels so much!

  • @andrewshaneyfelt4789
    @andrewshaneyfelt4789 Год назад

    This video is valuable on the don’t overtighten clamps lesson alone. Thanks, Jason!

  • @hex_7187
    @hex_7187 Год назад +3

    A great practical and actionable video. Thanks. IIRC you once mentioned you joint boards with a track saw. It would be great if you could show us how you go about that.

  • @mikeknoll1130
    @mikeknoll1130 10 месяцев назад +1

    I have never watched a video about overtightening clamps before, and I did have the question in my mind how tight is to tight. Thank you.

  • @michaelhughes1740
    @michaelhughes1740 5 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks. Very helpful hint for the Clamp Pressure vs. Flattening. Good job.

  • @mattwelsh6837
    @mattwelsh6837 Год назад

    Holy hell, I just made this exact mistake on a woodworking project! This is one of the most useful tips I've seen online!

  • @harryg3889
    @harryg3889 Год назад

    Good job. It’s not a secret between quality woodworkers but it’s important to talk techniques. I also like the alternating above below clamping. BTW I have watched your videos before purchasing some tools and found your reviews a valuable resource.

  • @suzannelowman2171
    @suzannelowman2171 Год назад +1

    I'm over so guilty of this. Thank you so much for this tutorial.

  • @designcreationswoodworking963
    @designcreationswoodworking963 Год назад

    This is a good one, Jason. This is always a topic in woodworking groups that seems to be almost as misunderstood as dust collection.

  • @ronbishop4057
    @ronbishop4057 Год назад

    Very nicely explained and straightforward - thank you. I have 10' long x 2" thick walnut planks in my basement, that has air dried for the last 5 years. This will be first dining room table - if all goes well.

  • @lanky380
    @lanky380 Год назад +2

    Great video! I learned something else today. Never too old to learn ;) Thanks!

  • @SteelBladeWoodworks
    @SteelBladeWoodworks Год назад +1

    Excellent information, loved the straight edge portion!!! Thanks for sharing.

  • @joeyleerobbins
    @joeyleerobbins Год назад +1

    EPIC! What an awesome video! Thank you for these tips...just blew my mind! Hey I just wanted to say thank for your service to our country! I am Air Force veteran and would like to say hello from Crossville, TN! If you are ever down my way look me up I'll take ya out for supper! God bless you and your family!

  • @Deafgirlsgonewild
    @Deafgirlsgonewild 11 месяцев назад +4

    I have never had someone explain this in such detail and so easy to understand. Thank you so much. I believe I have been tightening all my clamps wayyy too much after seeing this

  • @jeffjohns5079
    @jeffjohns5079 Год назад +1

    That is the best tip I have gotten in years!!! Thanks

  • @taylormedia1000
    @taylormedia1000 Год назад +2

    Great way to ensure you're flat and clamped as you should be. This idea goes into my toolbox; thank you.

  • @coffeetop1131
    @coffeetop1131 11 месяцев назад

    Excellent! I've been an aggressive amateur woodworker, but this problem has always haunted me. Thanks, and subscribed!

  • @andrewsmith3121
    @andrewsmith3121 Год назад +4

    👍👍👍👍 Giving many more Thumbs Up Likes!!! So nice to see basic, but very misunderstood, techniques explained, and visually shown. Thanks Jason!!

  • @liameverything4444
    @liameverything4444 Год назад +1

    I have a tip, instead of using a straight edge just use your clamp bars as a straight edge so once your clamp is sitting perfectly flat on your glue up you have a perfect flat glue up! Just make sure your clamps are perfectly straight, anyway good channel and new subscription for me! 😉

    • @leehaelters6182
      @leehaelters6182 Год назад

      The least little crank of a screw will start any bar clamp bending, it is not avoidable. The stock will bend with it, if is in contact with the bar.

  • @WoodWorksKentucky
    @WoodWorksKentucky Год назад

    Awesome! I have learned that overtightening clamps is not helpful but you just solidified that theory! I have used cauls in some cases which helps the ends but still at times have issues with the center areas but I think I know why now and how to address it. Will it work as well without biscuits? Thanks for all your straightforward videos!

  • @coreyhiggins621
    @coreyhiggins621 Год назад +1

    I love your videos man and I've watched a bunch of them. They are informative and to the point. I appreciate the seriousness in which you proffer your craft and experience. Those pretty boy, sophomoric comedy, hair music woodworking videos some of the other guys make are okay, you just have to weed through the BS. So, thanks! Great job!

  • @JBCavern
    @JBCavern 5 месяцев назад

    This is great info. I'm trying to get into woodworking and need to keep this in mind. Thank you.

  • @davidkenagy8706
    @davidkenagy8706 Год назад

    About keeping glue off the parallel clamp:
    I tear strips of wax paper and wrap them around the bar at approximately the location where joints (and glue) will be. I use button magnets to hold the wax paper in place, which are easier to adjust than tape, and hold better.

  • @darrylbrown574
    @darrylbrown574 Год назад +1

    Thank you for making the effort to be so thorough in teaching great woodworking techniques. This video is so helpful, as I've experienced all the hurdles that you have shown us how to avoid. Best to you, my friend!

  • @TheClBlues
    @TheClBlues Год назад

    Nice and useful demonstration ! Thanks a lot, because I'm one of those "overtighting" guy, thinking that dead cranked clamps was the best method…
    I'll sure test your tip for my next project ! Best regards from France, one more follower here !

  • @johncallender6677
    @johncallender6677 Год назад

    The straight edge idea is awesome. Thanks for sharing!

  • @rperreir
    @rperreir Год назад +1

    Wow! I struggle every time I do these but no longer. Your videos are great thanks

  • @michaeljohn7398
    @michaeljohn7398 Год назад +1

    Nicely done. Logical, clean and neat.

  • @glennryzebol4472
    @glennryzebol4472 Год назад

    Great video. I`m just about to glue up an 8 foot table top and this video gave some great info that should help. Thanks

  • @rostyslavmalashevsky5019
    @rostyslavmalashevsky5019 Год назад

    Thank U! I use same technic when make wide table tops, 20inch+20inch. It really helps, when U need to glue up 2 table tops which arw already finish planned

  • @LeighHart
    @LeighHart Год назад +1

    Wow, learning something new every time you post - thanks for sharing!

  • @rickbyno2401
    @rickbyno2401 Год назад +1

    Great video. Just ordered my straight edge. Thanks

  • @jimrosson6702
    @jimrosson6702 Год назад +3

    Great video and so many great and useful tips thanks for sharing

  • @fernandovelasquez7883
    @fernandovelasquez7883 Год назад +1

    Thanks for this great information and this is a good professional presentation! Keep this wonderful videos coming and thanks for sharing a professional wealth of knowledge! God bless you and your family!

  • @apswirl
    @apswirl 5 месяцев назад +1

    I’ve learned SO much watching your videos. Thanks!

  • @GustavoNunez65
    @GustavoNunez65 Год назад

    Great video, simple and well explained, you've earned a subscription. Thank you

  • @roy.h.barrett
    @roy.h.barrett Месяц назад +1

    Good Stuff Brother... Youve a concise manner of instruction.. Comes with the territory given your former occupation.. Thank you for your service.

  • @dsacton
    @dsacton Год назад +1

    Great video! I'm making an elm table, and will use all of this advice. Thanks.

  • @daveb427
    @daveb427 Год назад +1

    This is a great tip. Thank you. I use cauls in my glue-ups, but I will definitely try this.

  • @alanmatthews9260
    @alanmatthews9260 11 месяцев назад

    I actually noticed this phenomenon this weekend on a glue-up I’m doing. I noticed that loosening the clamp caused it lay flat. 👍🏻

  • @r1388
    @r1388 Год назад +1

    This is a great hack for flat panels. Thanks for sharing

  • @nickdarbenzio1681
    @nickdarbenzio1681 Год назад +1

    Thank you for this! Excellent

  • @rickallen9382
    @rickallen9382 Год назад +1

    Very good lesson and well presented.

  • @ptcruiser2012
    @ptcruiser2012 Год назад +1

    This was such an informative video. Thank you so much for doing these videos.

  • @MrDaryca
    @MrDaryca Год назад +1

    Very simple yet very helpful. Thanks!

  • @TheAaronReynolds
    @TheAaronReynolds 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video. Very helpful! Thank you for demonstrating this.

  • @chrisb1029384
    @chrisb1029384 Год назад +1

    Great explanation and demonstration! Thank you so much!

  • @patrickgirard-k3g
    @patrickgirard-k3g 10 месяцев назад +1

    très bonnes infos , à retenir pour les prochains collages.

  • @jlinkels
    @jlinkels Год назад

    Great demonstration. I have to warn for the statement at the beginning of the video. Although it is not directly related to what you show here. "The edges have to be perfectly square or at least alternating. So if one is 89 degrees the next one should be 91 degrees". While this is mathematically correct, in my experience even the slightest deviation from square causes the boards to slip when glue is applied and the clamps are tightened. When making a test assembly and the joints are still dry it is not a problem, when glue applied it is not a problem, but when the clamps are tight and it is too late it IS a problem. Even when a spline or dowels are used for alignment. The clamping force and the slipperyness of the glue causes boards to misalign. Edges have to be square. Perfect squareness is impossible of course, but should nevertheless be aimed for with more accuracy then a degree.

  • @andrewbrown8148
    @andrewbrown8148 Год назад +1

    This is a great tip, Jason~! I'm definitely guilty of using a gorilla grip when clamping panels up. Sad part is that I have a "pricy red" straight-edge hanging on my tool wall that collects dust more than it should. Well, no more...or at least no more when there's a panel glue-up to be done. Thanks for sharing this~!

  • @how2q
    @how2q Год назад

    great video....tape on clamps...wow...never thought of that!

  • @robertroberts5218
    @robertroberts5218 Год назад +1

    Crazy good technique. Thank you.

  • @JonRista
    @JonRista 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much for this! Your explanation was superb, and your demonstration brought it home. Its incredibly simple too. I am curious, is there anything about the drying of the glue, that might re-introduce any bowing after the fact? Or does the glue dry in such a way that it won't affect that?

  • @KEVINNAIRN-ye9bk
    @KEVINNAIRN-ye9bk Год назад

    Absolutely brilliant video. great instruction.

  • @killawee118
    @killawee118 Год назад +1

    Great video and tip!
    Patiently waiting tor you to show the new table saw!

  • @margueritewhite3038
    @margueritewhite3038 10 месяцев назад +2

    So well explained!! I am definitely an overtightener! not anymore :)

  • @hamdyshehata7721
    @hamdyshehata7721 5 месяцев назад

    Best panel glue up video ever, thanks a lot bro

  • @relentlessmadman
    @relentlessmadman Год назад

    good instruction for a fully equiped wood working shop!

  • @SWSW560
    @SWSW560 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for this. This happened to me on my first attempt at making a desk top.

  • @charlesworks6572
    @charlesworks6572 Год назад

    Wow! This is really helpful. Thank you so much!

  • @kerry1554
    @kerry1554 Год назад +1

    I think my problems wll be sorted by this. Thank you for excellent tutorial

  • @frankvalsj9657
    @frankvalsj9657 Месяц назад +1

    Thanks for this lesson 👍

  • @skwalka6372
    @skwalka6372 Год назад

    There are two reasons why excessive tightening of the clamps causes the distortion you show. One reason is that a greater pressure at the joints brings more into play any lack of parallelism of the two joining surfaces, the other more important reason is the non-uniformity of the wood elasticity modulus. If your jointed surfaces are exactly coplanar, the only reason for the deformation away from the plane as you tighten the clamps is the non-uniformity of the elastic properties of the wood (different grain orientation across the joining surface, etc.) These distortions, however, should largely disappear when the glue sets and the clamps are taken out. Hope this sheds some light.