@@TraceDominguez indeed the time should be permanent but most people don’t know this bill will take an hour away from our lives (schedules I mean), forever. Sure, we can get used to it but isn’t permanent Standard time said to be generally healthier over all? Then there’s the question and complaining of which seasons should have more lighter mornings or whatever. You know there always will be different preferences, but like you said or called for, “compromise”.
I like longer daylight in the evening better than early sunrise. Being dark until 7am is fine to me. I like having lots of sunshine in the afternoon to enjoy after the work day. I could care less if it's dark on my way to work at 6am
You think that’s clock change give you more daylight The truth is that it doesn’t instead you are changing the clocks to a later time Sunset 6:30 becomes 7:30 but you still have the same daylight hours Daylight hours only shifts depending on the season Having a later time means you wake up in dark mornings which affect your health If sunrise at 8:15 becomes 7:15 but the daylight stay the same
@@WolverineXOXO exactly that’s why standard time is better And it’s dangerous for kids going to school in the dark Russia tried this before and they did not like it so they went back to standard time permanently
@@tahmidabdin4625 every study on the topic has shown that there are fewer traffic fatalities when switching to permanent DST. The solution to kids starting school in the dark is to move school start times later, which has wide public support.
@@BrentARJwhat is the point of starting school later when everyone is waking up and starting work and school 1 hour earlier during daylight saving time Example School starts at 8am most of USA Well that’s 7am during standard time If you wake up 6am DST Well that’s 5am during standard time Basically you are starting work and school later with standard time Changing the clocks only changes the time on the clock when the sunrises and sunsets When we spring forward, sunrises and sunsets later
The current system makes the most sense, But if we must choose, absolutely permanent daylight. I want to be outdoors in the evening, not at 4 AM when the sun is pouring in my window! Winters are gonna be dark no matter what you do and no solution will satisfy everyone unless you could find a way to change the tilt of the Earth. By the way, Trace, you're the coolest dude on RUclips
I may not share this video on some sort of feed of mine because I'm not personally comfortable with it. But I like your channel so much and I see how much value and effort you put into making the videos that I feel like you should defnetly be facing the millions of viewers and subscribers already. It blows my mind how come you are still not there. But I'm dedicated to interact with every video from you that I come across to at leat try to help you with the engagement that the algorithm like to see happening. So I'll like and leave a comment everywhere!! I wish you very good results in your channel this year and please just keep up with this kind and gentle approach to all those interesting topics you are always talking about! It's fascinating and very inspirational. Thanks for this channel!
You included the counterargument to your thesis. If a SPECIFIC GROUP wants to move their activities one hour earlier, or one hour later, in the day, that SPECIFIC GROUP should be free to do so. I should not be forced to do it with them. I am in favor of abolishing DST, forever. We should go to standard time, and stay there.
On principle I agree 100%. Though, I'd _prefer_ we adopt DST all the time (because as i say in the video: Lighter, later), I honestly would rather us just stop switching needlessly
@@robinmendelson5512 it only gets dark early in the winter Changing the clocks does not create more daylight It only changes the time on clock and watches Daylight saving time would force people to wake up and start your day early Wake up at 6am daylight saving time same thing as 5am standard time Keep your clocks on standard time which refers to time without daylight saving time
We have common ground. The clocks have to stop the bi-annual switch. But I vehemently disagree with your stance. DST benefits retail and big golf. There is actual science behind this. Permanent #StandardTime is the correct time. Chronobiologists, sleep doctors, medical experts et al. unanimously support nationwide implementation of it. The AASM issued a position statement in late 2020 advocating for #StandardTime and the negative health effects from permanent DST which is very unsound public policy. Taking away and reducing morning light exposure under perma-DST which we need as a biorhythmic cue has been found to amplify the effects of SAD. Pick up a globe and look at how the longitudinal meridians intersect the established time zones here in the US relative to the Greenwich Prime Meridian. (120°W for GMT-8, 105°W GMT-7, 90°W for GMT-6, and 75° for GMT-5). There's a reason for that. One hour of earth rotational time equals 15° of longitude, and each of those meridians that define the time zones are most closely tied to the natural progression of solar time. DST creates a +1 offset and longitudinal error. The time is wrong for 8 months out of the year. Consequently, that chronic misalignment is VERY punishing for the circadian rhythm and biologically disruptive particularly to people who live on the western edges of those time zones. The p-values are significantly higher for morbidities of diabetes, cancer and heart attacks. The EU is moving towards abandoning DST and moving the clocks year round to #StandardTime. Secretary Buttigieg who has authority over time zone regulation here, is likely to implement the same change.
This really isn't true. As a biology expert, granted, not in these fields but know people in these fields, I don't know a single person who gives a shit what time we stay on. Nor do we really care if we end the time change. So it's not really unanimous is it? You could say "most" and I wouldnt argue, but I'd say I'm more inclined to believe the majority don't give a shit.
I live in the Dominican Republic, in the middle of the Caribbean, and we don't ever change time. We are GMT -4 all year round. Apart from rainy days, we live in an eternal spring and summer time. Time switching is a waste of... time
Daylight Savings is like a luxury thing. In summer it's hot and you get to stay at the beach an hour longer. But we have circadian rhythms so we should do things by sunrise and sunset, regardless of what man constructed time it is.
Absolutely agree with you. How much we could use an extra hour of daylight at the darkest time of the year. The rigid living by clocks has made humanity ill both physically and psychologically.
You just need to remember Summer time when the clocks are set forward You have more light in the evening according to the clock Winter time is when the clocks go backwards You have more light in the mornings according to the clock
DST means you start your day earlier Look at the difference Standard time 1pm 2pm 3pm DST 2pm 3pm 4pm DST doesn’t give you more daylight instead you start your day early
Hello from EU fellow Ravenclaw!! EU Parliament voted to end time shifting by the end of 2021. As far as I know countries are now kinda figuring out will they stay on standard time or daylight savings time. Hungary was first to end DST, but as they would be the only one in their neighborhood to do so they opted out and will wait for the rest of EU. Russia ended their time shifting in 2010 and opted to stay on standard time. So did Turkey in mid 2010's but they stayed on summer time.
Which is pretty dumb, ending time shifting is one thing, but if we do, whole of EU should stick to one or the other, or the end result will be mess worse than today...
We should stick with standard time with more light morning during winter and less light evenings during summer because evenings light gives us trouble sleeping at night Darker morning in the winter delays your body clock so we all have to sleep less year round during DST That’s why stick with standard time with light mornings during winter and less light evenings during summer Good for your health
The problem with the EUs plan is it allows members to decide between permanent DST or Standard time, which is a problem if you live in a EU country on DST but work in another on standard. I hope the UK follows whatever the EU does because it just makes sense..
California voted to stay on Daylight Savings if it is allowed at some point. If we voted to stay on Standard Time, we would be on standard time right now because states can always opt out of Daylight Savings.
I think I watched this video last year and I still totally agree with you! I would rather have more daylight after work to enjoy the nice weather than only have it when it is SCORCHING outside! Should we start a petition?
I'm all for keeping daylight savings year round. I live in Alaska, and in december it's completely dark by about 4:30pm. It sucks. I don't care how bright it is in the morning, I'm at work or at the gym anyway. But having it get dark before you even get off work really really sucks. So yeah, I'm all for just staying on daylight savings year round and at LEAST having night time start after 5.
Alaska daylight are really short You cannot do nothing about that Changing the clocks does not create more daylight During daylight saving time Sunrise and sunset will be 1 hour later according to the clock
There are actually studies that show that standard time, when the sun is at it's highest the clock is 12:00 - is the best time. The reason seems to be that our "biological clock" is set that way, so when you set the clock to SDT, we loose sleep and get sicker, as we go to sleep the biological time (one hour later) and the get up one hour earlier as the clock is set to SDT. It's better that the ones that want to get home in daylight start to work earlier in the morning. Don't mess with the time!
I appreciate the reupload, this is definitely still relevant, I'm with you do though, the change in winter means I go to work in the dark and get home in the dark, on the days I'm in the manufacturing labs I can literally go days without seeing the sun, at least if it was always summer time sure I'd go to work in the dark but at least I get some daylight before getting home, I'm 51.8985° N, 8.4756° W and I work 8am to 4:30pm ( on the days i get out on time) having the extra hour of light at the end of the day makes a massive difference.
Twilight? Yes. Daylight? Not so much. Also, meaningful twilight is only about an hour before dawn and an hour after sunset, not the 2 hours he says in the video. In order to be at work by 8, I have to get up before 7. Currently, that means getting up before dawn for October and part of September, then I get a few weeks of morning light back when we end DST, then I'm getting up before dawn from sometime in November through almost to March, and then just as I'm starting to get morning light again DST plunges me back into darkness for a few weeks. I work until 17:00, and DST year-round wouldn't really gain me much evening light-the day is shorter than 9 hrs for several months of the year, so for most of that period it's either a moot point, or I'd be trading morning Sun and evening dark for morning dark and evening dark.
I didn't even know that was a thing! Here in Ecuador we never change clocks, I guess since time doesn't change much in summer we don't need to You learn something new everyday
Yes! You’re close to the equator! At the equator you don’t get a dramatic shift the way we do up here where the tilt of the planet is more prominently felt.
@@TraceDominguez Tilt? It works on a flat stationary earth with a small lokal sun close to us! If earth is a globe as we are told, the tilt is just to match what we sees rigt now. No tilt will still make seasons but not where they changes right now in our time. To prove that the earth is a globe you see a ship disappear in a few miles but still no curvature without a fish eye lens from 35000 feet! That does not add up, not to mee! Say you are on a ship stationary with a an anchor, and four other ships will leave in all directions in the same speed. They will all disappear at the same time. If you climb a mast you will see them a while longer. But still from a high altitude you never look down to see the horizon, because it rises to eye level. Cant happend if you stand on a ball. It can only go down hill, so to speak. Every person stands on the top no matter where you are. And standing on a beach you get a feeling that the ocean horizon is rising like you are looking uphill. And clouds are getting lower. Just like a floor is rising in a long corridor or a tunnel, and the cealing is coming down like the clouds. Walls will get narrower like 2 ships traveling side by side with constant distance will look like they get closer. Just because of our round eyes interpreters that way. Nothing prove that the eart is a ball unless there is a fish eyed lens Involved. Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app ruclips.net/video/X6-3z-9DzPE/видео.html With no tilt at all. My sun dial works fine even without any tilt. Its just made to look like earth in space. But when thinking about it its a tilted sundial on a allready tilted earth! Something is wrong here! 2 tilts and a sundial works just as fine as a non tilting sundial. That is not a proof of a globe earth. Not even all 136 worldwide Foucault Pendulums are what we are told. ruclips.net/video/ud8A2SUm1-k/видео.html Interesting to the end with electromagnetism. I feel like someone have deceiving me from my childhood up to now. What more is a fraud? Damn! I dont like these short cold days. But still i dont want to move south!
Agreed. Daylight Savings Time should be extended year-round so that we get more daylight one hour later all year. It will definitely help the economy and relieve stress for us in the morning. 🌄
You're thinking too small (might be a 1st for you! :) ) What about those of us who live in places that w/out daylight savings, they never see daylight for the many, many, many months of winter (we already had our first snow that's stayed on the ground) so they go to work in the dark and come home in the dark... that gets improved a bit for a percentage of the pop. thanks to DST. Also, travelling on the highway (because we are so far from everything, and our highways don't have houses or gas stations between towns, just moose, bear and bushes) in the dark is much more dangerous and DST means that people who are on the hwy for work can do so in more reasonable lighting (to a certain extent)... And if you're thinking "well that's not our reality" well, maybe not but right now though we're in Northern Ontario, we share a time zone with Toronto, New York, a big slice of population (EST) but if some respect DST and some don't then we start going back to the chaos of too many different times for places (I think). Anyhow, just thought I'd add my 2cents (they're of no use here ;) lol ) thanks for another great video Trace :) You look super dapper on this one btw (you always look great but your wardrobe in this vid is extra sharp!). :)
I love this thought! It's really important to think of places other than ourselves (especially with broad policies!) If the US adopts this, so will Canada -- y'all always do!
As an tradesman that works outside, I like to start as soon as the sun comes up. That way there is more daylight hours when I finish todo things I like todo. So daylight saving helps keep the sunrise roughly around 7am in Victoria, Australia all year round. So alot of shops can keep there open times at 7am all year, and not have to open an hour earlier in summer, daylight saving is way more convenient for just keeping in routine all year round.
Wrong on many things here. Our sun in the summer on standard time would set at 9:30pm which is better than it staying light until almost 11pm on DST. The fourth of July fireworks have to start very late here.. Standard time is the cadmium rhythm sleep cycles natural time. Statistics show more deaths from DST than standard time and scientist advocate for better sleep on standard time. If DST was permanent our kids would go to school before sunrise. In the winter our sun rise would be after 9am. Colder icy, darker mornings cause more traffic accidents than a darker commute home. Lets not forget that CA made DST permanent back in 1973 and it failed. The law was suppose to last two years and it lasted 6 months. A bunch of kids were killed waiting at night time for their school bus. It caused so many problems the law was revoked. Any state can opt out of DST and stay on natural standard time like AZ and Hawaii did. It's against federal law to stay on DST.
Not wrong, just disagreeing with your position. :) You're correct that adoption of DST is against federal law for NOW. The Congressional Research Service recommends we re-evaluate this based on the non-existent benefits and the questionable drawbacks.
Standard time is better Our body clocks is synced with the sun Permanent DST means later sunrise and sunset according to the clock but this makes us sleep less Because your sunrise will be super late in the winter Your body clock will be out of sync for 12 months
2 things: -In Punta Arenas, Chile, they decided to not change the time anymore. It's located at the tip of South America, so time changing would make it darker at like 4pm in winters lol (used to live there, so I know). This change happened not so long ago, so I guess it could be used an example for other cities. -Children waiting for the buses in the dark? I used to do that everyday during winter, mostly because the bus would arrive at 6:40ish am everyday (This is in the US). I guess it depends on where you live, but it was common for me to be in the dark and with street lights on. Many parents with younger kids would wait for the bus with them🤷♀️. I still do think schools should start later though🤔
I also waited for the bus in the dark and didn’t think it was that big a deal, but it was a big argument so I wanted to make sure it got out there. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Back when household energy use was just for lights, it would make sense, but because of HVAC's televisions, computers, and lightbulbs that are becoming more and more energy efficient, DST makes even less and needs to fucking die as a result. (and for those wondering, I'm want permanent standard time). The construct of time was constructed to be a near seamless transisition from everything being "body time" to being a standardized time. Time zones are necessary for commerce, but DST isn't. We keep coming up with means to justify it but a further reading into the arguments and they fall over way so easily, we end up needing to find more and more reasons just to build out a foundation that can easily be swatted away anyways. Ditch DST, start schools later, and I'm good.
South Africa uses the same time everywhere but spans three timezones. Only the Natalians in the east want summer time because cricket matches there often end early because of the dark. The obvious solution is to start the games half-an-hour earlier. Capetonians don't like the idea because it is nice to drive to work when the sun is up for at least some of the year.
@@TraceDominguez Australia is pretty weird, with the states deciding for themselves. South Australia has two time zones. New South Wales and Victoria are now on DTS, while Queensland is not. Namibia had daylight saving but has now followed your advice and switched permanently to CAT with no summertime, the same as South Africa. Argentina allows its provinces to decide while Chile changes its clocks.
If it were possible and reasonable to ask I’d love to see like 25 minute videos of you that come out every day haha. I really like that you have your own channel now and that you can make longer videos on any subject you like.
Trace Dominguez that sounds wonderful. I hope that’s able to happen soon 🙂. I’d love to see you pumping out lots of new videos like that . What kind of help are you looking for?
I'm on the Autism spectrum. The idea of daylight savings time year round is horrifying to me. It completely messes me up for months*, not days, or weeks... Months*! Neurotypicals have no consideration with these things at all. The sun stays up longer in the summer and sets earlier in winter anyway!
That was a very comprehensive informative video on DST, if only the average person knew this. Cities and territories that are further north or south away from the equator will always lobby or petition for winter time, so it’s lighter for longer during winter mornings. States like Texas, Florida and Arizona, even California should abandon winter time and use Permanent Summer Time. Here in the U.K., Scotland complains about this idea as sun would rise around 10:30am in the winter
What a simple solution! I've always argued against those that say, "let's get rid of daylight savings" just because its standard time I didn't like. I never considered we could actually just abolish standard time...but why not?
@@mtn1793 who cares what used to be standard? Everyone hates how early it gets dark in the winter, seasonal depression is becoming a serious problem. There is zero reason I need it to be "high noon".
If school time starts later for kids then how would it be handled for families that both parents work? Would both parents leave for work around 7AM and leave it up to the children to wake themselves up to be at school at 10 AM?
Endless summer time truly does sound like a utopia. Later school start times, later sunrise, later sunset, what else can I ask for? Morning should have a gradual start and night time should be NOT 5PM... And last but not least DON'T WAKE ME UP AT 5:30AM TO GO TO SCHOOL!!! IF SOMEONE CAN'T HANDLE SCHOOL DO YOU REALLY THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PUT SCHOOL ON SOMEONES MIND THE SECOND THEY WAKE UP?! AND THEN FORCE THEM TO ENDURE IT FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THEIR DAY?!?! Sorry, got a little worked up there. I may or may not have quit high school freshman year to become "unschooled".
am i the only one that doesnt really feel any change ive missed the switchover many times because all of my clocks set themselves but from what u presented summertime sounds fine aswell
We should take into account the fact that later school start times would necessitate later end times as well as later start and end times for after-school programs and activities, sports and tutoring. Those kids would lose that extra hour of sunlight they were supposed to gain. Moreover, shifting school later by an hour would result in increased traffic around evening rush hour as motorists share the roads with more school busses and after-school commutes. So yeah, you have more sunlight in the afternoons, but more of it would be spent in traffic. It should also be mentioned that we'd likely see more accidents during the now darker winter mornings as people make their way to work. Permanent DST was passed in the 70s and quickly reversed after the first winter when people who initially thought it would be wonderful experienced what it was actually like during those winter months. There are going to be parts of the country that won't see sunrise until 9am for a good part of the winter. Good luck with that.
No, no, no... abolish DST, but keep standard solar time (adjusted slightly for 24 time zones around the globe). When the sun is directly overhead it should be noon (plus or minus a few minutes). Almost all retail is 24-hours now, so commercialism has no voice. Let people adjust their patterns to whatever makes the best sense for them. Remember... you can never add an hour to the evening without subtracting it from the morning. And we "morning" people highly resent that! Standard time forever! Amen! (Now, get back to work...)
I'm down for not switching, but it should just be standard time. If we do constant summer time, we're just saying that 1 pm is the sun's highest point instead of noon, and we'll adjust to that. You say we should move school start times back to compensate, and we might move work start time conventions back too, since adults stay up too late and get too little sleep during DST, too. Let's skip all those adjustments and just leave noon in the middle of the day. I think people hate standard time because it's winter, and there's just less daylight period.
Daylight saving time doesn’t make more daylight It just forces everyone to wake up and start work school 1 hour earlier Rather than starting school at 8am it will be 7am standard time which is 8am daylight saving time
One of my more joking suggestions is to abolish time zones altogether and use Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). It's right there in the name. Coordinated. Universal. I use Salesforce at work and all date/time stamps are saved in UTC and then converted to the user's selected time zone. I'm sure a lot of software does this. Want to know a company's operating hours without needing to convert time zones? Want to coordinate meetings across a worldwide company? UTC has the answer. Yes, yes, I know. This doesn't solve the sunrise/sunset issue.
I don't get the argument for adopting permanent DST and starting school later, not not also starting business later. Like, do adults not have an internal clock that's largely synced with sunlight same as children? Why should we subject ourselves to a schedule that's misaligned with nature just because we desire more evening outdoor leisure?
I finally had a chance to watch this! Excellent video, as always, Trace. I agree with you (probably not surprising, as we are both Ravenclaws and we've both given this a lot of thought! ;) ). We should just turn on DST and then set it to be the new standard time and leave it on. As a compromise, I'd go with a halfway approach. Next time we activate DST, just set the clock half an hour ahead, and then leave it on. I've had some parents get pretty salty about the idea of turning normal DST on permanently, and they seemed to be more accepting of the halfway approach.
ahhhhh. yes yes yes. split the difference and get on with life. that's how we should do it. woooooooo!!!! I would lean more towards just keeping standard but if we split the difference all angle of the argument are covered. pros and cons
Yeah and they don't need to worry about winter sunrise being at 8.55am. I live in Scotland and currently that's the time our sun rises, no issues here so the USA should stay ahead all year, would also mean they would be an hour closer to us in Europe which is also a win.
Uhh... Trace. Who are we fooling if we change the clocks to DST and leave it there. Just drop DST and start to work an hour earlier. Employers who allow flexible starting times often see many employees come in early so they can have more daylight after work. They figure it's dark driving to work for much of the winter, so why not just go in earlier in the dark.
Nooooo the point is to make sun set later, dropping the hour does the opposite! But I’m glad flex time is something you can do, employers that treat employees like adults are my fav. I also think lighter-later let’s people wake up with the sun if they choose, but as most don’t do so, it provides the most daylight for the most people. (I think)
@@TraceDominguez Dropping DST and have everyone permanently change their schedule by starting an hour earlier every day is exactly equal to permanent DST.
I’d rather have Standard Time all year ’round so that noon is at (approximately) 12 o’clock. The same effect as all-year DST can then be achieved by shifting all working hours, business schedules, school etc. one hour earlier. It’s also more honest this way than manipulating clocks.
"Don't manipulate that thing we invented, instead manipulate everyone in the world to get up earlier!" -- is a completely legitimate take, though I'd disagree with it. :)
Brian Mombourquette I mean, those who don’t ‘care’ whether clocks are in sync with the sun or not shouldn’t have an issue with my proposition. We get to live DST in practice, but our clocks show Standard Time. Isn’t this a reasonable middle ground?
Having winter time, be the standard time is better! Studies in Germany have shown that that would be the best solution. Since most people are night owls (contrary to popular belief) those people would be healthier, and work better.
Most people being night owls is interesting, I've never heard that! Unfortunately though, the majority of business and education does NOT happen during the night, and instead during the day -- so maximizing the daylight hours is really the best situation. Whatever that means!
Oregon has proposed permanent DST, and I am all for it. I hate it when it gets dark at 16:30. It makes me sleepy earlier and even triggers depression in me.
Agree with abolishing time change. However, permanent standard time is more aligned with natural sun time. The artificial springing forward has been shown to be associated with increased heart attack, stroke and sleep deprivation. Many people think its just one hour for one day, but medical science says otherwise. The reality is waking up earlier, especially in the darkness, disrupts our circadian rhythm, causing harmful effects on the body, and exposure to light later into the evening delays the brain’s release of melatonin, disrupting sleep time and quality. Research has shown people are much more sleep-deprived during daylight saving time, leading to worse health outcomes. Natural is better.
I live outside of the town (some 150 km below the arctic circle) and brings my dog to work, and i let him run/walk of leach some km when i drives into town. With summer time DT i could not see him in the dark around 26 of October and at 27 we got ST. And now (6th of November) i can hardly see him again even if it is a clear morning, so in less than 2 weaks we are back in the dark. In the summer it wont get dark at all around midsummer and the first night you cant read a newspaper outside at night is the first weakend in August. So living up North doesnt make much of a differens. Its now dark when i go to work and dark when going home. 7-4.. And at christmas its not much daylight at all, and the sun is wisible only for 3 hours and 21 minutes. And when it`s gonne its dark.. No twilight at all. Just on off!
Ah! A fellow second law thermodynamicist! I litterally put that in my dating sites profile! It's one of my conditions for dating, the girl must understand and agree with me on the inevitability of the second law. I don't get much dating, but it's okay, the day I get the girl, she'll be special!
Did you know that last summer there was a poll in the EU about this? All citizens of all EU countries were invited to give their opinion on whether or not to keep DST. We actually had 3 options to choose from: keep things as it is, stop switching and keep regular time, or stop switching and keep DST. And 84 percent of people chose one of the latter two options, with the majority choosing to keep DST. Yay us!
Did you live a summer night in Paris? France is already one hour ahead (look at a time zone map) so on daylight, they are effectively on double summer time. On solstice, it doesn't get dark until almost 11pm!
I think staying on Standard time all year would actually be better for the world as a whole. In the summer, the sun would set an hour "earlier" thus, in hotter, more humid climates allow people to use their air conditioning slightly less. The sun would come up at middle latitudes between 4am and 5am, but the core temperature of the human body is lowest around that time, so you could keep the air conditioning at a warmer temperature, this reducing power consumption. Just buy blackout shades if a 4:30 sunrise bothers you.
Ok so the sunrise in Charlotte, NC for December 21, 2021 was 7:26AM. EST. With permanent DST, the sunrise would have been 8:26AM. Now this an extreme but during December it would be rising around 8AM here. I don’t think a lot of parents would be happy their children would be waiting for a school bus in the dark. I personally don’t care. I think we should pick one time and leave it. It messes with our rhythms.
I hear that, but the first twilight starts at 6:57am (with perm DST) and once twilight starts it gets lighter pretty fast. So “standing in the dark” which most people infer to be pitch black, is really standing in a morning dusk, which sounds a lot less alarmist. Just saying :)
@@TraceDominguez I’m playing devil’s advocate here so bear with me. Civil twilight (the amount of light when the sun is 6 degrees below the horizon and light enough for most outdoor activities) in Charlotte for that date is 7:01AM EST. It’s not bright enough before then to really see the chitlins so to speak. I heard Russia tried permanent DST many years ago and ended up scrapping the idea due to people complaining about the sunrise being so late in the winter. I want to reiterate I don’t care. Like you, I’d prefer it to be one time permanently as that clock shift twice a year seems to get harder the older I get. Just be careful when you anger the PTA.
@@TraceDominguez exactly, I really thought after they passed it last year I would never have to do it again. It gets dark here at 8:30 in the summer and right now it was getting dark at 7 but now it gets dark at 6 and eventually it will get dark at 5 I was in New York recently and it was getting dark at 6 and now it will get dark at 5 and eventually 4 something Who wants to get off in the dark ? Lol I do want to mention, that's a brilliant idea about going to school later. I never really thought about that to use in an argument when someone, I will now use that in my arguments because usually the biggest thing is about the children being in the dark when I bring it up
Also just a thought, daylight saving time is not the correct time even if daylight saving time were all year round, standard time is the correct time all year round.
Its relative yo. Nothing standard about the sun setting at 4:30 here in the Pacific NW half the year making everyone depressed as Eeyore. Atleast in the dark mornings you have the sunrise to look forward too!
I've always thought it would be great to just eliminate timezones all together and just use UTC time for anything that actually needs scheduling. Let workplaces/local school districts determine the hours that make sense for them.
@@TraceDominguez You got me curious, so I tried looking it up. Couldn't find the podcast, but found a few articles (links below). I like the idea of one time zone, but the guys proposing it also want to change the calendar so the days of the week are consistent with calendar days and for some reason that really bothers me. Weird how attached we get to things that were decided so long ago. www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/opinion/sunday/time-to-dump-time-zones.html www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/one-time-zone-for-the-world-127795315/
as I understand it Arizona (except the Navajo nation) adopted STANDARD time all the time*. What I am saying is to adopt DAYLIGHT time all the time. Similar, but not the same. *also I mentioned this in the video, so keep watchin ☺️
@@TraceDominguez having lived their in my childhood it was nice since we left the clocks alone. More states should adopt what they do and leave time alone. (Side note the way I viewed it was AZ was ahead of everyone when it came to time changes. In the fall they go from Pacific Time to Mountain time and vis versa in the spring)
What if you're working the graveyard shift during at the daylight time shifting hour, and you're scheduled to get off at 2am? Does that make you now get off at 3am. or do you get off at 1am?
First I though DST forever sounds great. But there are studies that suggest it's gonna mess up our inner clock. Think about it: winter time is the normal time with noon being actual noon. DST is artificial since noon is actually noon +1 hour.
There IS no “normal time” we didn’t evolve with time we evolved with the sun. We invented time millions of years after we became creatures, and have only had time for a few thousand years. If we permanently move the time an hour and leave it we will be farrrr better off
Oh? Then WHY do we have DST 8 months out of the year, compared to only 4 months of Standard time?? Huh??Year round Daylight Saving time is the ONLY way to go!! We will be fine!
All I'm saying is when the sun is at the highest point of the day, logically this would be 12 o'clock. During DST, however, it is not. What we really should change is our culture that forces us to get out of bed when it's basically still darkest night. THAT is not natural.
Matt Parker (mathematician, has RUclips channel, author) has disproven the DST health risks fallacy. It's not real, and he's done the math behind it to prove it. I'm not as eloquent as he is on the topic, so I don't want to muck it up. However Matt Parker does a great job explaining it himself. Probably in a RUclips video, but definitely in one of his books. Humble Pi, I think, or Things to Make and Do in the Fourth Dimension. Check it out.
Just watched Matt Parker video ruclips.net/video/XZGs5Im9f8Q/видео.html And now i see i am not the only one who remembered that video Statistics is true but doesn’t tell the whole story
In California, it seems education about the proposed time change and consequences was lacking. It would apparently be the opposite of AZ time, making a 2 hour difference crossing state lines, is that correct? We need to keep DSL forever as a country and hopefully most countries around the world would want to do the same. The time changes are miserable. I like the idea presented by @asher as well, "Perfect Time.
@@TraceDominguez Right, and AZ does not do DSL at all, so traveling between the two states would mean a 2 hour time difference if one was always off and one was always on?
We have electricity… Can we keep doing the part in fall where we sleep an extra hour, then do that every other month so we have an extra six hours a year, and get rid of leap years?
I have an arguably better suggestion: no time zones just earth time. Everyone on earth (and not) on the same clock. It’s be massively disruptive initially but I think it would quickly solve a lot of problems.
Trace Dominguez And like DST, there’s talk of eliminating leap second. So please dive into it. The issue is that leap seconds don’t have scheduled implementation. Sometimes 1 yr, sometimes 18 mo. And for 5 yrs in row, no leap seconds, around 1999-2004. So my suggestion is to schedule leap seconds: leap seconds should always be in 29-Feb. the only difference is that it would be more 1, it might be 2-4 seconds, but there’d be no doubt when they are implemented. And the whole ‘earth is slowing down’ subject. Which is minute on century time scales. And affected by earthquakes and Three Rivers Dam, maybe ice cap reduction too. Then there’s the rotation speed oscillation in summer winter. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second#/media/File%3ALeapsecond.ut1-utc.svg en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second#/media/File%3ADeviation_of_day_length_from_SI_day.svg My 2 cents.
I like vids like these because they are rational and thought out . I do understand why we had DLST although even then didnt make much sense and makes even less sense in 2020 . Why do you need a clock to get up , just follow the rhythm of the sun . Thats why sundials are more fitting , they never lie or try and convince you that its really an hour later today and an hour earlier later on . And way more seriously its been shown that there is more pedestrian fatalities and car accidents . And to add to the confusion more states and provinces are opting out . Either everyone does it or no one does it . How many have to die before we get rid of this horrid tradition .
USA, Mountain/Central time line... Day light savings time spring, is the worst thing ever as it turns into fall we are never aligned with the sun, older people and Elderly get Depressed and us you get people never get sleep...because there is no real break in the day to tell us it's time to go in, finish our house work and go to bed. It's just all work and little sleep.
Nice video, but I have to disagree. Hear me out: I am also a huge advocate for not switching between times. But in my opinion we should keep standard time. I wouldn't even have a problem with going even earlier that that. Since in think a later sunset is way less important that an early sunrise. It is just not natural (and unhealthy) to wake up before the sun is out. Staying awake when it is dark on the other hand is no problem for your health. Besides using Washington DC is fine for the US but most of Europe is way north of that and would have an even later sunrise than you mentioned in your video.
I've always thought the whole shifting thing was dumb, especially when I had a job that I had to be to work at 6:00am. I was a zombie for nearly a month after springing forward. I think we should pick one, I don't care which just one and stick to it.
later start time for school doesn't help parents to have to go to work early and leave their kids somewhere if they are too young. school times should match parents work times.
Abolish time zones altogether. Adopt GMT worldwide. Problem solved. You did a fantastic job covering most data and history on the subject. There are also some studies out there that say that circadian rhythm may be disrupted significantly especially for those on the western edge of the time zones. In the winter, northern communities suffer the most if we adopt permanent DST. If you want more time in the evening, shift your schedule, not your clock n
MORE THAN TWO YEARS LATER AND ON 15 MARCH 2022 THE SENATE PASSED THE 'SUNSHINE PROTECTION ACT.' LET'S RUN THIS EXPERIMENT. 🌅
That is why I'm here! New video??
But the Act would make DST _permanent._
You wanted it _ended._
Which one is it?? People are confusing Daylight Saving Time and Standard Time.
@@DanielKolbin I want us to stop switching, but I prefer lighter later - so I’m happy about this bill
@@TraceDominguez indeed the time should be permanent but most people don’t know this bill will take an hour away from our lives (schedules I mean), forever.
Sure, we can get used to it but isn’t permanent Standard time said to be generally healthier over all? Then there’s the question and complaining of which seasons should have more lighter mornings or whatever. You know there always will be different preferences, but like you said or called for, “compromise”.
Yes
I like longer daylight in the evening better than early sunrise. Being dark until 7am is fine to me. I like having lots of sunshine in the afternoon to enjoy after the work day. I could care less if it's dark on my way to work at 6am
You think that’s clock change give you more daylight
The truth is that it doesn’t instead you are changing the clocks to a later time
Sunset 6:30 becomes 7:30 but you still have the same daylight hours
Daylight hours only shifts depending on the season
Having a later time means you wake up in dark mornings which affect your health
If sunrise at 8:15 becomes 7:15 but the daylight stay the same
@@WolverineXOXO exactly that’s why standard time is better
And it’s dangerous for kids going to school in the dark
Russia tried this before and they did not like it so they went back to standard time permanently
@@tahmidabdin4625 every study on the topic has shown that there are fewer traffic fatalities when switching to permanent DST. The solution to kids starting school in the dark is to move school start times later, which has wide public support.
@@BrentARJwhat is the point of starting school later when everyone is waking up and starting work and school 1 hour earlier during daylight saving time
Example
School starts at 8am most of USA
Well that’s 7am during standard time
If you wake up 6am DST
Well that’s 5am during standard time
Basically you are starting work and school later with standard time
Changing the clocks only changes the time on the clock when the sunrises and sunsets
When we spring forward, sunrises and sunsets later
Iceland has been on a permanent summertime since 1968. They set the time forward one hour and left it, never looking back.
Yet another reason to visit!
The current system makes the most sense, But if we must choose, absolutely permanent daylight. I want to be outdoors in the evening, not at 4 AM when the sun is pouring in my window!
Winters are gonna be dark no matter what you do and no solution will satisfy everyone unless you could find a way to change the tilt of the Earth.
By the way, Trace, you're the coolest dude on RUclips
I only agree with you! Endless summer time and later school start times.
I may not share this video on some sort of feed of mine because I'm not personally comfortable with it. But I like your channel so much and I see how much value and effort you put into making the videos that I feel like you should defnetly be facing the millions of viewers and subscribers already. It blows my mind how come you are still not there. But I'm dedicated to interact with every video from you that I come across to at leat try to help you with the engagement that the algorithm like to see happening. So I'll like and leave a comment everywhere!! I wish you very good results in your channel this year and please just keep up with this kind and gentle approach to all those interesting topics you are always talking about! It's fascinating and very inspirational. Thanks for this channel!
You included the counterargument to your thesis.
If a SPECIFIC GROUP wants to move their activities one hour earlier, or one hour later, in the day, that SPECIFIC GROUP should be free to do so. I should not be forced to do it with them.
I am in favor of abolishing DST, forever. We should go to standard time, and stay there.
I don't care if we end up on daylight time or standard time, we just need to stop messing with the clock.
On principle I agree 100%. Though, I'd _prefer_ we adopt DST all the time (because as i say in the video: Lighter, later), I honestly would rather us just stop switching needlessly
@@TraceDominguez ☀️🌑☀️🌑sun rise, sun setI sun rise sun set. I like when it gets dark earlier. But who cares. Just stop switching.
@@robinmendelson5512 it only gets dark early in the winter
Changing the clocks does not create more daylight
It only changes the time on clock and watches
Daylight saving time would force people to wake up and start your day early
Wake up at 6am daylight saving time same thing as 5am standard time
Keep your clocks on standard time which refers to time without daylight saving time
We have common ground. The clocks have to stop the bi-annual switch. But I vehemently disagree with your stance. DST benefits retail and big golf. There is actual science behind this. Permanent #StandardTime is the correct time. Chronobiologists, sleep doctors, medical experts et al. unanimously support nationwide implementation of it. The AASM issued a position statement in late 2020 advocating for #StandardTime and the negative health effects from permanent DST which is very unsound public policy. Taking away and reducing morning light exposure under perma-DST which we need as a biorhythmic cue has been found to amplify the effects of SAD.
Pick up a globe and look at how the longitudinal meridians intersect the established time zones here in the US relative to the Greenwich Prime Meridian. (120°W for GMT-8, 105°W GMT-7, 90°W for GMT-6, and 75° for GMT-5). There's a reason for that. One hour of earth rotational time equals 15° of longitude, and each of those meridians that define the time zones are most closely tied to the natural progression of solar time. DST creates a +1 offset and longitudinal error. The time is wrong for 8 months out of the year. Consequently, that chronic misalignment is VERY punishing for the circadian rhythm and biologically disruptive particularly to people who live on the western edges of those time zones. The p-values are significantly higher for morbidities of diabetes, cancer and heart attacks.
The EU is moving towards abandoning DST and moving the clocks year round to #StandardTime. Secretary Buttigieg who has authority over time zone regulation here, is likely to implement the same change.
I hate DST. I wish we could just have Standard time permanently.
This really isn't true. As a biology expert, granted, not in these fields but know people in these fields, I don't know a single person who gives a shit what time we stay on. Nor do we really care if we end the time change. So it's not really unanimous is it? You could say "most" and I wouldnt argue, but I'd say I'm more inclined to believe the majority don't give a shit.
I live in the Dominican Republic, in the middle of the Caribbean, and we don't ever change time. We are GMT -4 all year round.
Apart from rainy days, we live in an eternal spring and summer time.
Time switching is a waste of... time
Daylight Savings is like a luxury thing. In summer it's hot and you get to stay at the beach an hour longer. But we have circadian rhythms so we should do things by sunrise and sunset, regardless of what man constructed time it is.
Absolutely agree with you.
How much we could use an extra hour of daylight at the darkest time of the year.
The rigid living by clocks has made humanity ill both physically and psychologically.
You just need to remember
Summer time when the clocks are set forward
You have more light in the evening according to the clock
Winter time is when the clocks go backwards
You have more light in the mornings according to the clock
I agree, we need to stop these clock changes! And it's good to hear this from a fellow Ravenclaw!
DST means you start your day earlier
Look at the difference
Standard time 1pm 2pm 3pm
DST 2pm 3pm 4pm
DST doesn’t give you more daylight instead you start your day early
Hello from EU fellow Ravenclaw!! EU Parliament voted to end time shifting by the end of 2021. As far as I know countries are now kinda figuring out will they stay on standard time or daylight savings time. Hungary was first to end DST, but as they would be the only one in their neighborhood to do so they opted out and will wait for the rest of EU. Russia ended their time shifting in 2010 and opted to stay on standard time. So did Turkey in mid 2010's but they stayed on summer time.
ENDLESS SUMMER TIME! That is so cool. Thanks for the update!
Which is pretty dumb, ending time shifting is one thing, but if we do, whole of EU should stick to one or the other, or the end result will be mess worse than today...
Hungry Turkey?
We should stick with standard time with more light morning during winter and less light evenings during summer because evenings light gives us trouble sleeping at night
Darker morning in the winter delays your body clock so we all have to sleep less year round during DST
That’s why stick with standard time with light mornings during winter and less light evenings during summer
Good for your health
The problem with the EUs plan is it allows members to decide between permanent DST or Standard time, which is a problem if you live in a EU country on DST but work in another on standard. I hope the UK follows whatever the EU does because it just makes sense..
Finally a voice of reason
YASS
Arizona figured this out a long time ago. Come on Americans - join us 😄
So did Hawaii
California voted to stay on Daylight Savings if it is allowed at some point. If we voted to stay on Standard Time, we would be on standard time right now because states can always opt out of Daylight Savings.
I think I watched this video last year and I still totally agree with you! I would rather have more daylight after work to enjoy the nice weather than only have it when it is SCORCHING outside! Should we start a petition?
Gotta change that time act!
I'm all for keeping daylight savings year round. I live in Alaska, and in december it's completely dark by about 4:30pm. It sucks. I don't care how bright it is in the morning, I'm at work or at the gym anyway. But having it get dark before you even get off work really really sucks. So yeah, I'm all for just staying on daylight savings year round and at LEAST having night time start after 5.
Alaska daylight are really short
You cannot do nothing about that
Changing the clocks does not create more daylight
During daylight saving time
Sunrise and sunset will be 1 hour later according to the clock
There are actually studies that show that standard time, when the sun is at it's highest the clock is 12:00 - is the best time.
The reason seems to be that our "biological clock" is set that way, so when you set the clock to SDT, we loose sleep and get sicker, as we go to sleep the biological time (one hour later) and the get up one hour earlier as the clock is set to SDT.
It's better that the ones that want to get home in daylight start to work earlier in the morning. Don't mess with the time!
I appreciate the reupload, this is definitely still relevant, I'm with you do though, the change in winter means I go to work in the dark and get home in the dark, on the days I'm in the manufacturing labs I can literally go days without seeing the sun, at least if it was always summer time sure I'd go to work in the dark but at least I get some daylight before getting home, I'm 51.8985° N, 8.4756° W and I work 8am to 4:30pm ( on the days i get out on time) having the extra hour of light at the end of the day makes a massive difference.
Twilight? Yes. Daylight? Not so much. Also, meaningful twilight is only about an hour before dawn and an hour after sunset, not the 2 hours he says in the video.
In order to be at work by 8, I have to get up before 7. Currently, that means getting up before dawn for October and part of September, then I get a few weeks of morning light back when we end DST, then I'm getting up before dawn from sometime in November through almost to March, and then just as I'm starting to get morning light again DST plunges me back into darkness for a few weeks. I work until 17:00, and DST year-round wouldn't really gain me much evening light-the day is shorter than 9 hrs for several months of the year, so for most of that period it's either a moot point, or I'd be trading morning Sun and evening dark for morning dark and evening dark.
I didn't even know that was a thing! Here in Ecuador we never change clocks, I guess since time doesn't change much in summer we don't need to
You learn something new everyday
Yes! You’re close to the equator! At the equator you don’t get a dramatic shift the way we do up here where the tilt of the planet is more prominently felt.
Hawaii doesn’t change.
And what about Arizona?
@@TraceDominguez Tilt? It works on a flat stationary earth with a small lokal sun close to us! If earth is a globe as we are told, the tilt is just to match what we sees rigt now. No tilt will still make seasons but not where they changes right now in our time. To prove that the earth is a globe you see a ship disappear in a few miles but still no curvature without a fish eye lens from 35000 feet! That does not add up, not to mee! Say you are on a ship stationary with a an anchor, and four other ships will leave in all directions in the same speed. They will all disappear at the same time. If you climb a mast you will see them a while longer. But still from a high altitude you never look down to see the horizon, because it rises to eye level. Cant happend if you stand on a ball. It can only go down hill, so to speak. Every person stands on the top no matter where you are. And standing on a beach you get a feeling that the ocean horizon is rising like you are looking uphill. And clouds are getting lower. Just like a floor is rising in a long corridor or a tunnel, and the cealing is coming down like the clouds. Walls will get narrower like 2 ships traveling side by side with constant distance will look like they get closer. Just because of our round eyes interpreters that way. Nothing prove that the eart is a ball unless there is a fish eyed lens Involved.
Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app
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With no tilt at all.
My sun dial works fine even without any tilt. Its just made to look like earth in space. But when thinking about it its a tilted sundial on a allready tilted earth! Something is wrong here! 2 tilts and a sundial works just as fine as a non tilting sundial. That is not a proof of a globe earth. Not even all 136 worldwide Foucault Pendulums are what we are told.
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Interesting to the end with electromagnetism. I feel like someone have deceiving me from my childhood up to now. What more is a fraud?
Damn! I dont like these short cold days. But still i dont want to move south!
Agreed. Daylight Savings Time should be extended year-round so that we get more daylight one hour later all year. It will definitely help the economy and relieve stress for us in the morning. 🌄
We are not making more daylight during daylight saving time
If you make daylight saving time permanently
Sunrise would 7:30am change to 8:30am
You're thinking too small (might be a 1st for you! :) ) What about those of us who live in places that w/out daylight savings, they never see daylight for the many, many, many months of winter (we already had our first snow that's stayed on the ground) so they go to work in the dark and come home in the dark... that gets improved a bit for a percentage of the pop. thanks to DST. Also, travelling on the highway (because we are so far from everything, and our highways don't have houses or gas stations between towns, just moose, bear and bushes) in the dark is much more dangerous and DST means that people who are on the hwy for work can do so in more reasonable lighting (to a certain extent)... And if you're thinking "well that's not our reality" well, maybe not but right now though we're in Northern Ontario, we share a time zone with Toronto, New York, a big slice of population (EST) but if some respect DST and some don't then we start going back to the chaos of too many different times for places (I think).
Anyhow, just thought I'd add my 2cents (they're of no use here ;) lol ) thanks for another great video Trace :) You look super dapper on this one btw (you always look great but your wardrobe in this vid is extra sharp!). :)
I love this thought! It's really important to think of places other than ourselves (especially with broad policies!) If the US adopts this, so will Canada -- y'all always do!
As an tradesman that works outside, I like to start as soon as the sun comes up.
That way there is more daylight hours when I finish todo things I like todo.
So daylight saving helps keep the sunrise roughly around 7am in Victoria, Australia all year round. So alot of shops can keep there open times at 7am all year, and not have to open an hour earlier in summer, daylight saving is way more convenient for just keeping in routine all year round.
Let’s just do that! Yes!
Thank you for support for year round Daylight Saving time!
Staylight Savings Time
Wrong on many things here. Our sun in the summer on standard time would set at 9:30pm which is better than it staying light until almost 11pm on DST. The fourth of July fireworks have to start very late here.. Standard time is the cadmium rhythm sleep cycles natural time. Statistics show more deaths from DST than standard time and scientist advocate for better sleep on standard time. If DST was permanent our kids would go to school before sunrise. In the winter our sun rise would be after 9am. Colder icy, darker mornings cause more traffic accidents than a darker commute home. Lets not forget that CA made DST permanent back in 1973 and it failed. The law was suppose to last two years and it lasted 6 months. A bunch of kids were killed waiting at night time for their school bus. It caused so many problems the law was revoked. Any state can opt out of DST and stay on natural standard time like AZ and Hawaii did. It's against federal law to stay on DST.
Not wrong, just disagreeing with your position. :) You're correct that adoption of DST is against federal law for NOW. The Congressional Research Service recommends we re-evaluate this based on the non-existent benefits and the questionable drawbacks.
Standard time is better
Our body clocks is synced with the sun
Permanent DST means later sunrise and sunset according to the clock but this makes us sleep less
Because your sunrise will be super late in the winter
Your body clock will be out of sync for 12 months
2 things:
-In Punta Arenas, Chile, they decided to not change the time anymore. It's located at the tip of South America, so time changing would make it darker at like 4pm in winters lol (used to live there, so I know). This change happened not so long ago, so I guess it could be used an example for other cities.
-Children waiting for the buses in the dark? I used to do that everyday during winter, mostly because the bus would arrive at 6:40ish am everyday (This is in the US). I guess it depends on where you live, but it was common for me to be in the dark and with street lights on. Many parents with younger kids would wait for the bus with them🤷♀️. I still do think schools should start later though🤔
I also waited for the bus in the dark and didn’t think it was that big a deal, but it was a big argument so I wanted to make sure it got out there. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Back when household energy use was just for lights, it would make sense, but because of HVAC's televisions, computers, and lightbulbs that are becoming more and more energy efficient, DST makes even less and needs to fucking die as a result. (and for those wondering, I'm want permanent standard time).
The construct of time was constructed to be a near seamless transisition from everything being "body time" to being a standardized time. Time zones are necessary for commerce, but DST isn't. We keep coming up with means to justify it but a further reading into the arguments and they fall over way so easily, we end up needing to find more and more reasons just to build out a foundation that can easily be swatted away anyways. Ditch DST, start schools later, and I'm good.
South Africa uses the same time everywhere but spans three timezones. Only the Natalians in the east want summer time because cricket matches there often end early because of the dark. The obvious solution is to start the games half-an-hour earlier. Capetonians don't like the idea because it is nice to drive to work when the sun is up for at least some of the year.
Everyone has their things! I wonder how the daylight differs in the Southern Hemisphere! Do you know?
@@TraceDominguez Australia is pretty weird, with the states deciding for themselves. South Australia has two time zones. New South Wales and Victoria are now on DTS, while Queensland is not. Namibia had daylight saving but has now followed your advice and switched permanently to CAT with no summertime, the same as South Africa. Argentina allows its provinces to decide while Chile changes its clocks.
If it were possible and reasonable to ask I’d love to see like 25 minute videos of you that come out every day haha. I really like that you have your own channel now and that you can make longer videos on any subject you like.
Oh I like it too. If I could get someone to help me make them I could make so much more stuff -- which I WANT TO DO SO BADLY!
Trace Dominguez that sounds wonderful. I hope that’s able to happen soon 🙂. I’d love to see you pumping out lots of new videos like that . What kind of help are you looking for?
I'm on the Autism spectrum. The idea of daylight savings time year round is horrifying to me. It completely messes me up for months*, not days, or weeks... Months*! Neurotypicals have no consideration with these things at all. The sun stays up longer in the summer and sets earlier in winter anyway!
That was a very comprehensive informative video on DST, if only the average person knew this. Cities and territories that are further north or south away from the equator will always lobby or petition for winter time, so it’s lighter for longer during winter mornings.
States like Texas, Florida and Arizona, even California should abandon winter time and use Permanent Summer Time.
Here in the U.K., Scotland complains about this idea as sun would rise around 10:30am in the winter
What a simple solution! I've always argued against those that say, "let's get rid of daylight savings" just because its standard time I didn't like. I never considered we could actually just abolish standard time...but why not?
Michael McGregor why? It’s stupid
Standard time is the local time in a country or region when DST not use
Daylight saving time means you change your clocks twice a year
Standard time means the sun reaches its highest point at exactly noon each day. It’s the standard of the ages.
@@mtn1793 who cares what used to be standard? Everyone hates how early it gets dark in the winter, seasonal depression is becoming a serious problem. There is zero reason I need it to be "high noon".
@@ssjgeon With daylight savings time it gets dark even earlier in the winter you buffoon! Spring ahead… That means sunset will come an hour earlier.
If school time starts later for kids then how would it be handled for families that both parents work? Would both parents leave for work around 7AM and leave it up to the children to wake themselves up to be at school at 10 AM?
Before:
ST = Standard Time
DT = Daylight Saving(s) Time
After:
PT = Perfect Time (a half hour to 2 hours ahead of Standard Time)
Omg yes
This sounds nice!
I can definitely live with that!!
Endless summer time truly does sound like a utopia. Later school start times, later sunrise, later sunset, what else can I ask for?
Morning should have a gradual start and night time should be NOT 5PM... And last but not least DON'T WAKE ME UP AT 5:30AM TO GO TO SCHOOL!!! IF SOMEONE CAN'T HANDLE SCHOOL DO YOU REALLY THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PUT SCHOOL ON SOMEONES MIND THE SECOND THEY WAKE UP?! AND THEN FORCE THEM TO ENDURE IT FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THEIR DAY?!?! Sorry, got a little worked up there. I may or may not have quit high school freshman year to become "unschooled".
am i the only one that doesnt really feel any change
ive missed the switchover many times because all of my clocks set themselves
but from what u presented summertime sounds fine aswell
You are the only one. 😉
We should take into account the fact that later school start times would necessitate later end times as well as later start and end times for after-school programs and activities, sports and tutoring. Those kids would lose that extra hour of sunlight they were supposed to gain. Moreover, shifting school later by an hour would result in increased traffic around evening rush hour as motorists share the roads with more school busses and after-school commutes. So yeah, you have more sunlight in the afternoons, but more of it would be spent in traffic. It should also be mentioned that we'd likely see more accidents during the now darker winter mornings as people make their way to work.
Permanent DST was passed in the 70s and quickly reversed after the first winter when people who initially thought it would be wonderful experienced what it was actually like during those winter months. There are going to be parts of the country that won't see sunrise until 9am for a good part of the winter. Good luck with that.
Thanks Trace, I now have a video to reference when I get into talks with colleagues, friends and family on the subject. Keep up the good work dude.
Thank you!!
No, no, no... abolish DST, but keep standard solar time (adjusted slightly for 24 time zones around the globe). When the sun is directly overhead it should be noon (plus or minus a few minutes). Almost all retail is 24-hours now, so commercialism has no voice. Let people adjust their patterns to whatever makes the best sense for them. Remember... you can never add an hour to the evening without subtracting it from the morning. And we "morning" people highly resent that! Standard time forever! Amen! (Now, get back to work...)
Oregon and Washington State want to stay with PDT. Waiting for Calif to approve. From there it goes to Congress to poke it with a stick.
I'm down for not switching, but it should just be standard time. If we do constant summer time, we're just saying that 1 pm is the sun's highest point instead of noon, and we'll adjust to that. You say we should move school start times back to compensate, and we might move work start time conventions back too, since adults stay up too late and get too little sleep during DST, too. Let's skip all those adjustments and just leave noon in the middle of the day.
I think people hate standard time because it's winter, and there's just less daylight period.
Daylight saving time doesn’t make more daylight
It just forces everyone to wake up and start work school 1 hour earlier
Rather than starting school at 8am it will be 7am standard time which is 8am daylight saving time
One of my more joking suggestions is to abolish time zones altogether and use Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). It's right there in the name. Coordinated. Universal. I use Salesforce at work and all date/time stamps are saved in UTC and then converted to the user's selected time zone. I'm sure a lot of software does this.
Want to know a company's operating hours without needing to convert time zones? Want to coordinate meetings across a worldwide company? UTC has the answer.
Yes, yes, I know. This doesn't solve the sunrise/sunset issue.
I don't get the argument for adopting permanent DST and starting school later, not not also starting business later. Like, do adults not have an internal clock that's largely synced with sunlight same as children? Why should we subject ourselves to a schedule that's misaligned with nature just because we desire more evening outdoor leisure?
because my fellow Americans are spoiled brats an' they treat everything in nature like it's on the menu at Burger King
Ahem. It's Daylight "Saving" Time.
I’m sorry in the Midwest we add an ‘S’ to the end of everything. Best Buys, Meijers, Krogers - oh wait that already has one.
Anyway, sorry not sorry
Trace Dominguez
Just use it in the possessive:
Daylight-Saving’s Time. The time that is Daylight-Saving.
@@larryscott3982 Staylight Savings Time.
I finally had a chance to watch this! Excellent video, as always, Trace. I agree with you (probably not surprising, as we are both Ravenclaws and we've both given this a lot of thought! ;) ). We should just turn on DST and then set it to be the new standard time and leave it on. As a compromise, I'd go with a halfway approach. Next time we activate DST, just set the clock half an hour ahead, and then leave it on. I've had some parents get pretty salty about the idea of turning normal DST on permanently, and they seemed to be more accepting of the halfway approach.
ahhhhh. yes yes yes. split the difference and get on with life. that's how we should do it. woooooooo!!!! I would lean more towards just keeping standard but if we split the difference all angle of the argument are covered. pros and cons
Seattle a high latitude, it is still farther south than most European cities
Yeah and they don't need to worry about winter sunrise being at 8.55am. I live in Scotland and currently that's the time our sun rises, no issues here so the USA should stay ahead all year, would also mean they would be an hour closer to us in Europe which is also a win.
The sun would rise at almost 9am in Seattle with permanent DST. The current system is fine.
@@ShrunkedDude Oh, nvm misread your comment.
Where I live we are in the wrong time zone which increases the problem with time being out of sync
Yeah, that can be a problem. From where we live my fiancée’s family is sometimes 3 hours ahead and sometimes 5!
Uhh... Trace. Who are we fooling if we change the clocks to DST and leave it there. Just drop DST and start to work an hour earlier. Employers who allow flexible starting times often see many employees come in early so they can have more daylight after work. They figure it's dark driving to work for much of the winter, so why not just go in earlier in the dark.
Nooooo the point is to make sun set later, dropping the hour does the opposite! But I’m glad flex time is something you can do, employers that treat employees like adults are my fav. I also think lighter-later let’s people wake up with the sun if they choose, but as most don’t do so, it provides the most daylight for the most people. (I think)
@@TraceDominguez Dropping DST and have everyone permanently change their schedule by starting an hour earlier every day is exactly equal to permanent DST.
I’d rather have Standard Time all year ’round so that noon is at (approximately) 12 o’clock. The same effect as all-year DST can then be achieved by shifting all working hours, business schedules, school etc. one hour earlier. It’s also more honest this way than manipulating clocks.
"Don't manipulate that thing we invented, instead manipulate everyone in the world to get up earlier!" -- is a completely legitimate take, though I'd disagree with it. :)
The idea of noon only works for those in the sweet spot of the time zone. Those on the edges are a half hour or more off the solar noon time.
Brian Mombourquette I mean, those who don’t ‘care’ whether clocks are in sync with the sun or not shouldn’t have an issue with my proposition. We get to live DST in practice, but our clocks show Standard Time. Isn’t this a reasonable middle ground?
Oh by the way... it's Daylight SAVING time without the terminal S as in savings. Thank you.
Hey Trace, I agree. DST forever....... Denton TX
Having winter time, be the standard time is better! Studies in Germany have shown that that would be the best solution. Since most people are night owls (contrary to popular belief) those people would be healthier, and work better.
i feel better in winter time
Most people being night owls is interesting, I've never heard that! Unfortunately though, the majority of business and education does NOT happen during the night, and instead during the day -- so maximizing the daylight hours is really the best situation. Whatever that means!
Oregon has proposed permanent DST, and I am all for it. I hate it when it gets dark at 16:30. It makes me sleepy earlier and even triggers depression in me.
It sounds like you have seasonal affective disorder. DST neither causes nor cures that.
It gets dark 4:30pm
If the clocks set 1 hour ahead it will change to 5:30pm
Sunrise at 8am
If the clocks set 1 hour ahead it will change to 9am
Agree with abolishing time change. However, permanent standard time is more aligned with natural sun time. The artificial springing forward has been shown to be associated with increased heart attack, stroke and sleep deprivation. Many people think its just one hour for one day, but medical science says otherwise. The reality is waking up earlier, especially in the darkness, disrupts our circadian rhythm, causing harmful effects on the body, and exposure to light later into the evening delays the brain’s release of melatonin, disrupting sleep time and quality. Research has shown people are much more sleep-deprived during daylight saving time, leading to worse health outcomes. Natural is better.
I live outside of the town (some 150 km below the arctic circle) and brings my dog to work, and i let him run/walk of leach some km when i drives into town. With summer time DT i could not see him in the dark around 26 of October and at 27 we got ST. And now (6th of November) i can hardly see him again even if it is a clear morning, so in less than 2 weaks we are back in the dark. In the summer it wont get dark at all around midsummer and the first night you cant read a newspaper outside at night is the first weakend in August. So living up North doesnt make much of a differens. Its now dark when i go to work and dark when going home. 7-4.. And at christmas its not much daylight at all, and the sun is wisible only for 3 hours and 21 minutes. And when it`s gonne its dark.. No twilight at all. Just on off!
Ah! A fellow second law thermodynamicist! I litterally put that in my dating sites profile! It's one of my conditions for dating, the girl must understand and agree with me on the inevitability of the second law. I don't get much dating, but it's okay, the day I get the girl, she'll be special!
INEVITABLE HEAT DEATH IS INEVITABLE
@@TraceDominguez it also prevents perpetual motion machines. People need to understand that.
Can you please do your own podcast? There is something about your voice that reduces my anxiety
Did you know that last summer there was a poll in the EU about this? All citizens of all EU countries were invited to give their opinion on whether or not to keep DST. We actually had 3 options to choose from: keep things as it is, stop switching and keep regular time, or stop switching and keep DST. And 84 percent of people chose one of the latter two options, with the majority choosing to keep DST. Yay us!
+Eline Megens YAY! I read that today!!
Did you live a summer night in Paris? France is already one hour ahead (look at a time zone map) so on daylight, they are effectively on double summer time. On solstice, it doesn't get dark until almost 11pm!
LOVE THAT. I need to book a trip 😍
@@TraceDominguez you're not the only one. Love that 11PM sunset.
Because France start their day 1 or 2 hours earlier then their original timezone
My local politicians are discussing a bill to keep us on Daylight Savings Time.
I say, Yes! Pass that bill, it's about time.
PASS! PASS! PASS! YAY! #EndlessSummerTime
Weebles wobble but they won't fall down.
@@Rabbit-the-One Those things freaked me out when I was a kid.
2 year old me: What is this witchcraft?
Local? It has to be done on the state and then the federal level.
I think staying on Standard time all year would actually be better for the world as a whole. In the summer, the sun would set an hour "earlier" thus, in hotter, more humid climates allow people to use their air conditioning slightly less. The sun would come up at middle latitudes between 4am and 5am, but the core temperature of the human body is lowest around that time, so you could keep the air conditioning at a warmer temperature, this reducing power consumption.
Just buy blackout shades if a 4:30 sunrise bothers you.
Ok so the sunrise in Charlotte, NC for December 21, 2021 was 7:26AM. EST. With permanent DST, the sunrise would have been 8:26AM. Now this an extreme but during December it would be rising around 8AM here. I don’t think a lot of parents would be happy their children would be waiting for a school bus in the dark.
I personally don’t care. I think we should pick one time and leave it. It messes with our rhythms.
I hear that, but the first twilight starts at 6:57am (with perm DST) and once twilight starts it gets lighter pretty fast. So “standing in the dark” which most people infer to be pitch black, is really standing in a morning dusk, which sounds a lot less alarmist. Just saying :)
@@TraceDominguez I’m playing devil’s advocate here so bear with me. Civil twilight (the amount of light when the sun is 6 degrees below the horizon and light enough for most outdoor activities) in Charlotte for that date is 7:01AM EST. It’s not bright enough before then to really see the chitlins so to speak. I heard Russia tried permanent DST many years ago and ended up scrapping the idea due to people complaining about the sunrise being so late in the winter.
I want to reiterate I don’t care. Like you, I’d prefer it to be one time permanently as that clock shift twice a year seems to get harder the older I get. Just be careful when you anger the PTA.
We passed the sunshine protection act in Florida last year but Congress has no approved yet so to my dismay I had to set the clock back once again
UGH. CONGRESS. DO SOMETHING.
@@TraceDominguez exactly, I really thought after they passed it last year I would never have to do it again.
It gets dark here at 8:30 in the summer and right now it was getting dark at 7 but now it gets dark at 6 and eventually it will get dark at 5
I was in New York recently and it was getting dark at 6 and now it will get dark at 5 and eventually 4 something
Who wants to get off in the dark ? Lol
I do want to mention, that's a brilliant idea about going to school later. I never really thought about that to use in an argument when someone, I will now use that in my arguments because usually the biggest thing is about the children being in the dark when I bring it up
the crazy cool thing would be to stop in the middle, not after or before DST , but half an hour in the middle
I’m with you brother!
i like daylight saving for spring and summer.
I'm all for leaving our time to summer time day light saving time . I hate going back in winter it just 😞 sucks !
Hi Trace, I'm trying to find your old videos in DC news? And can't find it. I can no longer find any link about DC news. May be you still have a link?
Also just a thought, daylight saving time is not the correct time even if daylight saving time were all year round, standard time is the correct time all year round.
Its relative yo. Nothing standard about the sun setting at 4:30 here in the Pacific NW half the year making everyone depressed as Eeyore. Atleast in the dark mornings you have the sunrise to look forward too!
Love this video your funny as well !
Why thank you!
I've always thought it would be great to just eliminate timezones all together and just use UTC time for anything that actually needs scheduling. Let workplaces/local school districts determine the hours that make sense for them.
there's a GREAT podcast about this and it sounds NUTSO.
@@TraceDominguez You got me curious, so I tried looking it up. Couldn't find the podcast, but found a few articles (links below). I like the idea of one time zone, but the guys proposing it also want to change the calendar so the days of the week are consistent with calendar days and for some reason that really bothers me. Weird how attached we get to things that were decided so long ago. www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/opinion/sunday/time-to-dump-time-zones.html
www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/one-time-zone-for-the-world-127795315/
Science is on the side of standard time, not DST. Ask any chronobiologist or PTA.
Arizona already fixed this issue.
as I understand it Arizona (except the Navajo nation) adopted STANDARD time all the time*. What I am saying is to adopt DAYLIGHT time all the time. Similar, but not the same.
*also I mentioned this in the video, so keep watchin ☺️
@@TraceDominguez having lived their in my childhood it was nice since we left the clocks alone. More states should adopt what they do and leave time alone. (Side note the way I viewed it was AZ was ahead of everyone when it came to time changes. In the fall they go from Pacific Time to Mountain time and vis versa in the spring)
Working at In n out on spring day light savings was brutal. Work till 2:45am then you lose an additional hour of sleep. So glad I left.
What if you're working the graveyard shift during at the daylight time shifting hour, and you're scheduled to get off at 2am? Does that make you now get off at 3am. or do you get off at 1am?
I have no preference to either time jump, but I just want one to be picked and stick to it forever.
First I though DST forever sounds great. But there are studies that suggest it's gonna mess up our inner clock. Think about it: winter time is the normal time with noon being actual noon. DST is artificial since noon is actually noon +1 hour.
There IS no “normal time” we didn’t evolve with time we evolved with the sun. We invented time millions of years after we became creatures, and have only had time for a few thousand years. If we permanently move the time an hour and leave it we will be farrrr better off
Oh? Then WHY do we have DST 8 months out of the year, compared to only 4 months of Standard time?? Huh??Year round Daylight Saving time is the ONLY way to go!! We will be fine!
All I'm saying is when the sun is at the highest point of the day, logically this would be 12 o'clock. During DST, however, it is not. What we really should change is our culture that forces us to get out of bed when it's basically still darkest night. THAT is not natural.
@@TraceDominguez I think he means normal in terms of the assumption that noon is when the sun is highest.
Matt Parker (mathematician, has RUclips channel, author) has disproven the DST health risks fallacy. It's not real, and he's done the math behind it to prove it. I'm not as eloquent as he is on the topic, so I don't want to muck it up. However Matt Parker does a great job explaining it himself. Probably in a RUclips video, but definitely in one of his books. Humble Pi, I think, or Things to Make and Do in the Fourth Dimension. Check it out.
I’ll look it up!
Just watched Matt Parker video ruclips.net/video/XZGs5Im9f8Q/видео.html
And now i see i am not the only one who remembered that video
Statistics is true but doesn’t tell the whole story
Fun fact: standard time is actually healthier than daylight saving time. Look it up.
I like the time change how it was April to October, then October to April.
New to this channel. I think I love you.
Thank you ☺️
In California, it seems education about the proposed time change and consequences was lacking. It would apparently be the opposite of AZ time, making a 2 hour difference crossing state lines, is that correct? We need to keep DSL forever as a country and hopefully most countries around the world would want to do the same. The time changes are miserable. I like the idea presented by @asher as well, "Perfect Time.
I misstated this piece - we voted to ADOPT daylight time forevermore!
@@TraceDominguez Right, and AZ does not do DSL at all, so traveling between the two states would mean a 2 hour time difference if one was always off and one was always on?
Apparently AZ summers on DSL result in increased cooling costs.....
We have electricity…
Can we keep doing the part in fall where we sleep an extra hour, then do that every other month so we have an extra six hours a year, and get rid of leap years?
If we've started it and stopped it before, who's to say we won't do it again? It's like a reoccurring argument with a flip-flopping solution.
I have an arguably better suggestion: no time zones just earth time. Everyone on earth (and not) on the same clock. It’s be massively disruptive initially but I think it would quickly solve a lot of problems.
Now you need to discuss ‘leap second’.
Yeesssssss time is fascinating
Trace Dominguez
Because if I hear one more person say that Leap Seconds are because the earth is slowing down, I’ll scream.
Trace Dominguez
And like DST, there’s talk of eliminating leap second. So please dive into it.
The issue is that leap seconds don’t have scheduled implementation. Sometimes 1 yr, sometimes 18 mo. And for 5 yrs in row, no leap seconds, around 1999-2004. So my suggestion is to schedule leap seconds: leap seconds should always be in 29-Feb. the only difference is that it would be more 1, it might be 2-4 seconds, but there’d be no doubt when they are implemented.
And the whole ‘earth is slowing down’ subject. Which is minute on century time scales. And affected by earthquakes and Three Rivers Dam, maybe ice cap reduction too.
Then there’s the rotation speed oscillation in summer winter.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second#/media/File%3ALeapsecond.ut1-utc.svg
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second#/media/File%3ADeviation_of_day_length_from_SI_day.svg
My 2 cents.
What if a baby is born on the daylight hour? Is he or she already an hour older when they're born?
When I lived in Tacoma is was dark when I got off work at 5pm.
I like vids like these because they are rational and thought out . I do understand why we had DLST although even then didnt make much sense and makes even less sense in 2020 . Why do you need a clock to get up , just follow the rhythm of the sun . Thats why sundials are more fitting , they never lie or try and convince you that its really an hour later today and an hour earlier later on . And way more seriously its been shown that there is more pedestrian fatalities and car accidents . And to add to the confusion more states and provinces are opting out . Either everyone does it or no one does it . How many have to die before we get rid of this horrid tradition .
We don't adhere to Daylight Savings Time here in Hawaii, and it's awesome. No having to remembering when to spring ahead/fall back.
Y'all are way closer to the equator, so it makes so much more sense. Yet another vote for paradise ;)
USA, Mountain/Central time line... Day light savings time spring, is the worst thing ever as it turns into fall we are never aligned with the sun, older people and Elderly get Depressed and us you get people never get sleep...because there is no real break in the day to tell us it's time to go in, finish our house work and go to bed. It's just all work and little sleep.
Nice video, but I have to disagree. Hear me out:
I am also a huge advocate for not switching between times. But in my opinion we should keep standard time.
I wouldn't even have a problem with going even earlier that that. Since in think a later sunset is way less important that an early sunrise. It is just not natural (and unhealthy) to wake up before the sun is out. Staying awake when it is dark on the other hand is no problem for your health.
Besides using Washington DC is fine for the US but most of Europe is way north of that and would have an even later sunrise than you mentioned in your video.
Just just Get one hour early and never change it back. It's tiresome to change back and forth
Why not move to half-an-hour ahead of standard time? Solar noon varies throughout the year anyway and this would ease the late morning sunrises.
Ravenclaw FTW!
#PICKITANDSTICKIT!
I've always thought the whole shifting thing was dumb, especially when I had a job that I had to be to work at 6:00am. I was a zombie for nearly a month after springing forward. I think we should pick one, I don't care which just one and stick to it.
PICKIT AND STICKIT
later start time for school doesn't help parents to have to go to work early and leave their kids somewhere if they are too young. school times should match parents work times.
That’s a whole OTHER bag of cats. Workplaces should treat adults like they are adults and let them flex work. But hey, one problem at a time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@TraceDominguez yeah indeed
So, because parents have to work, the kids deserve to suffer?
Abolish time zones altogether. Adopt GMT worldwide. Problem solved.
You did a fantastic job covering most data and history on the subject. There are also some studies out there that say that circadian rhythm may be disrupted significantly especially for those on the western edge of the time zones. In the winter, northern communities suffer the most if we adopt permanent DST. If you want more time in the evening, shift your schedule, not your clock n
Abolish time zones altogether. Adopt UTC worldwide. Problem solved.