still its the best outcome she could have done. Yeah, its like Tobi from Naruto vision of peace, where everybody is trapped inside illusion world in which all desires are fullfiled
Only in this movie it was a success for homura. Don't know if Madoka is happy. Reminds me of mahou shoujo ikusei keikaku when they end up fight each other as well. Even that didn't ended well
No, it's not exactly like Tobi's illusion. See, what Homura made is, by all evidence, real. She brutally rewrote the laws of the universe themselves, much like Madoka did, and the extent of her meddling is making sure Madoka is kept far, FAR away from the world of magic so she can live a normal schoolgirl's life.
notice how golden is the color of gods’ blood and red - is of humans’. by redoing Madoka’s hair and replacing the yellow ribbon with a red one, Homura shows how she doesn’t accept Kaname as a god. idk just found it kinda symbolic, maybe it’s not what the creators were going for
I feel so bad for Homura in this scene. To me, I think she gives Madoka the ribbons because she feels like she doesn't deserve them. She's breaking the last thing she has to connect her to Madoka, because even though Madoka is happy in this universe, she knows it won't last and that Madoka will eventually have to stand against her. Hence the "I will keep wishing for a world where you can be happy." Line. It implies that Homura knows this is not true happiness, so she will "keep wishing," for that world where Madoka can be truly happy. All this being said, this ending fits the series so much better. The entire show was about how good and bad have to balance each other out, so to have a pure, "Homura goes away with Madoka and it's all happy!" Ending makes no sense for what the show has been trying to tell us. Just because the ending is a bittersweet one doesn't mean it isn't a good ending. It's like some people have missed the point of the entire show.
@@haohaosinh6902 Bruh not everything will end up in sunshine and rainbows or despair. Literally everyone in this ending is happy except Kyube and Homura. If you think about it, Homura punished herself in the end as well as she did with kyube. The whole madoka magica series is to reflect reality not delusions.
She knows that one day, Madoka will again give her life for her world despite the fact that Homura let her have her human life back. The truth of that terrifies her. Being Homura really is suffering.
The first time I saw Rebellion I was torn over my feelings for it, but every rewatch improves it. What an utterly fantastic ending. The promise of an inevitable collapse to what Homura has built leaving things open ended, but her love fulfilled at least for the moment.
Fulfilled is one way to put it, but even she knows that it's a hollow joke. That just makes it all the more tragic. Her perfect little world is imperfect before it even begins.
idk I liked this ending... not as a TRUE ending! I love how Madoka can just unravel all of Homura's illusions by simply questioning her identity and role in the universe.
It's so sad how Madoka looks so f***ing confused... :c I mean, despite I truly understand Homura's reasons, she didn't really have the right to decide on Madoka's role/life.
The creator of the original anime hardly had any say in this movie.... I think there were two other producers, that completely ignored his ideas. In fact, the creator was perfectly fine with how it originally ended.
In which case something was off about the source. Personally I really like the rebellion plot twist, the ending is such a psuedo-cliff hanger though. It technically can end as is, but is not good closure.
It goes to show the sheer scale of how powerful Madoka is to start to unravel the illusionary world Homura created with nothing but a pondering thought. And even worse for Homura, is that she wouldn't even be nearly that powerful in the first place if she hadn't looped the timeline so many times over the course of the main series.
I love how all of homura's work, all the effort she put in, and in the end, it wasn't even complete. Like a half finished job, but homura simply doesn't have the power to make it permanent. In pretty much every show/novel I have seen, compared to killing a god, harming one is easy, but killing them? pretty much impossible, no matter how strong homura became, unless she's strong enough to uproot the natural order of the creation itself, there was no way anything she did was gonna last forever. Just like this, shortly after she 'completed' her mission, in a sense she still failed.
You know. I've heard people say Homura wasn't on character,that this selfish action was not her. But... Homura always loved Madoka... And Homura convinced herself more and more Madoka was unhappy... Everything for Madoka. Everything for her. Everything to keep her happy. Everything to keep her safe. That's obsessive love. She loved her,and that love corrupted her. But... Homura is aware... This world isn't perfect... Happiness won't last... And so. The cycle could repeat itself.
Why do people hate the ending so much? I didn’t see any issues with it. It felt true to the story and duality and balance of the universe. Can someone who didn’t like the ending explain to me why they don’t like it?
I don't hate the ending, it just felt incomplete to me... We all know Homura's illusion won't last forever and Madoka eventually will regain her memories
Some dum-dums wanted an east ending wrapped in a neat little bow (which is a funny expression to use considering what Homura does with Madoka's hair here), and can't handle open-endedness. It's a good ending, and better than what the fans deserved.
Sage Mirei no, I think they don’t understand why the movie exists, which is to finish homura’s arc. All the girls go through the same emotional arc due to their wish. All except Homura, who gets a simple fight on ending. So this movie gives her that, showing what happens to her and what her actions have caused for her, and how she is Madoka’s opposite, a selfish wish vs a selfless one, love vs hope, a devil vs a god.
This is actually my favorite scene from rebellion. Everything about it is so wonderfully done. The way the music builds into the big moment, the ribbon symbolism, the fact it's a parallel scene of the hallway scene in the main series, and the subtext behind what they say, it's all wonderful.
This is a sad ending for me... Eventually Madoka will remember everything, and not only her, the other girls too, and when that moment comes everything Homura wished for, this world, will dissapear. When they recover their memories Homura will be the villian..
Madoka: “I do think It’s kind of bad breaking rules because you feel like it” Also Madoka:“I want them to stay smiling until the end. If any rule or law stands in my way I will destroy it. I will rewrite it”
Madoka broke the laws to save magical girls. Homura broke Madokas laws to save Madoka. However, magical girls still don’t turn into witches due to Homura making the incubators take the magical girls curses. But still, Homura did undermine and usurp Madoka.
@@Noahk98 "Madoka broke the laws to save magical girls." And Homura. People always forgets that one of the things that impulsed Madoka the most to made her wish was save Homura. After all, Madoka didn't make up her mind until Kyubey told her that Homura's destiny was to keep repeating the same month until she became a witch, and instead of made her wish immediately, she first went to verify what Homura's condition was. Honestly, I think that if Homura would have won against Walpurgis Madoka would have never made her wish (especially after reading Homura's revenge). "Homura broke Madokas laws" The law of cycles is still working. As Homura told to Sayaka, she don't broke it (in a sence of "destroy/damage it"), she just took a little part (who was Madoka before being a concept) of it.
Homura broke the rules of the universe in the same way as Madoka, because she rewrite the universe to get a desired result, like Madoka. The only difference was the things that they wished for. "However, magical girls still don’t turn into witches due to Homura making the incubators take the magical girls curses" Magical girls still don't turn into witches because the law of cycles is still working. Homura is making the incubators take the world curses (the curses that give born to the spectres), that is why she told to Sayaka that the spectres would eventually disappear. "Homura did undermine" Tha's seems like an exaggeration to me. Madoka's system (the law of circles) is still working, and Homura's world is exactly like the one that Madoka made, with the exception that in Homura's world, Madoka exists and is a normal person... and there are some familiars that nobody notices running around, and the moon is split in half, but those things don't seem to affect the way the world works, so who cares?
@CL372 1. I still believe that even if Homura had defeated Walpurgis, Madoka still probably would have made her wish. Madoka is a very selfless person, and she sees herself as someone who doesn’t have anything to offer to the world. Madoka knows that she is the only girl with enough power to make that wish (eradicating witches) bc of Homura repeating timelines focused on her. Madoka would also know that Homura would still eventually become a witch, plus she can also prevent Sayaka from ever becoming a witch. This is why I believe Madoka would still make her wish to save all magical girls even if Homura had won. 2. I’m pretty sure the incubators are the ones bearing the magical girls curses. I read this on Wikipedia about Kyubey: “In The Rebellion Story, which takes place after the series, Kyubey sealed Homura outside the Law of Circles' jurisdiction to force Madoka back into the physical world in an attempt to restore the witch system of the previous timelines since his kind have been harvesting less energy in the new system. But the scheme backfired when Homura ended up stealing Ultimate Madoka's powers for herself, enslaving Incubators to take Madoka's place in taking on the curses of the new world. Kyubey is last seen lying on the ground, disheveled and shivering as he is driven mad by his sudden ability to feel emotions combined with being forced to shoulder the combined grief, suffering, and despair of every magical girl that is, was, or ever will be.” So yes, the law of cycles is still intact, with a piece missing (Madoka’s human self). This doesn’t negate the fact, however, that Madokas system is undermined in a sense. They both broke laws but you can’t compare them because Madokas reasons were entirely different and selfless. She sacrificed her own life in order to give magical girls salvation. Yes, in a sense it’s not fair bc Homuras only wish was to save Madoka and be with her and Madoka left her. I’m sure Madoka didn’t want to leave Homura. In fact, the lyrics to her character song “see you tomorrow” kind of confirm that Madoka really wanted to stay and not leave earth. In the flower scene, Homura realizes this and I think it has to do a lot with Homuras decision to “tear Madoka from the heavens”. In the rebellion manga, Homura literally says she undermined Madoka. Yes the law of cycles is the same but it’s also different. She says that “she was as sacred as a god, but I fooled and undermined her!” You can tell that Homuras world is very unstable. The familiars running around (just bc no one can see them doesn’t make it ok), the moon in half, the fact that Madoka was able to unravel homuras universe just by questioning her purpose in life. Homura stopped her then, but she knows that one day she won’t be able to. Homuras world is essentially a universe sized barrier/labyrinth. A seemingly perfect dollhouse, if you will. This world isn’t permanent; it’s a temporary, desperate solution. Homura knows this. So while Homura was able to give Madoka her old life with her family and friends, she still did, in a sense, betray her. Homura knows this and hates herself for it, it’s why her familiars commit suicide and throw tomatoes at her. So yeah, Homura and Madoka broke the laws but for entirely different reasons. I’m not saying what Homura did was entirely wrong. Her intentions were good, her methods are a bit questionable. I don’t think it’s fair for people to say “Homura did nothing wrong” or “Homura did everything wrong” bc it’s a very complicated and gray situation. I feel bad for Homura, honestly. She isn’t a villain, but people see her that way so now she’s just acting the part because she knows no one will understand her. I can’t blame her for her actions either; the girls been through so much shit. They both just deserve to be happy. Also, even if Homura had gone with Madoka to the afterlife, it’s likely the incubators would keep trying to control her and revert the timeline back to witches. Madoka, being the omnipresent goddess she is, probably would be able to stop them. However, let’s say they would have been successful in capturing Madoka and reverting the world back to magical girls turning into witches. Then, in a way, Homura may have done the right thing after all. I just feel like most people forget the fact that this is not a permanent situation; Madoka will regain her memories and powers eventually and who knows what will happen then. Homuras unstable world will probably begin to unravel like it did in the ending of the film. Only this time, Homura won’t be able to stop her... Homura is a badass though and such an interesting character. She’s definitely one of my fave characters.
CL372 I think the good thing about rebellion is fans can interpret things how they want, so it’s alright if we don’t agree. I haven’t read Homuras Revenge but I’ll definitely check it out. I do really feel like if Walpurgis was defeated, Madoka would still probably have made her wish because she was so distraught over magical girls becoming witches. And she’s the only one with the power to make the wish to change that. Even though Homura wouldn’t become a witch then, she still would eventually. After all, this is the end for all magical girls. I believe if Madoka realized that she, and only she, has the power to prevent Homura from ever becoming a witch one day, and also undo Sayaka from becoming a witch, she would definitely still make the wish. Madoka asks Kyubey in the series if she became a magical girl, would she able to do things he couldn’t do? (Turn Sayaka back to human). And then she was about to make a wish (before Homura shot him). I still view Homuras world as unstable tbh. The Homuverse is the real universe but I feel like it’s implied to also be like a barrier because of her familiars existing, as well as when she rewrites reality, you can see the colors from her soul gem engulfing the universe. So I feel like while her world is real, it still is, in a sense, like a barrier. Yes, all the girls are happy but i just get this feeling it’s like a sweet dream that they will all have to wake up from eventually (like the lyrics in “Made Dama Yo” talk about). You say Homura did not betray Madoka because she gave her a happy life while still having the law of cycles function. I feel like the betrayal part comes from when Homura took away Madokas powers and memories and usurped her. Madoka was telling Homura to stop or else she’ll be ripped apart. Homura split her apart anyways. This is where the betrayal comes in. I think the fact Madoka can unravel Homuras universe does allude to the instability of her world. You say madokas world is unstable because of the emotions released by Homuras soul gem distorting reality, but I don’t think that’s really the same thing? I feel like the writers included the familiars and broken moon to imply that something is not right with Homuras world. Something is off. Are homuras actions selfish? You say no. Her reasons aren’t selfish (giving Madoka a happy life). But remember, she only cares about Madoka, no one else. She didn’t even intend for Sayaka to be in her world. She’s denying Madoka from knowing the truth bc of her wanting Madoka to be the normal girl she knows and loves. In a way, this is selfish. Homuras selfishness is unique bc it’s not selfishness for herself, it’s selfishness for someone else. Let’s face it, Homuras love for Madoka has turned into an unhealthy obsession. All the pain she’s been through corrupted her love for Madoka and that’s what corrupted her soul gem. What Homura did was both selfish and selfless. Selfless bc she gave Madoka a happy life while sacrificing her own happiness. Selfish bc she lacks consideration for others; she went against Madoka even when Madoka told her to stop and took away her powers and memories just for her to have a temporary normal life. I love that madoka and all the other girls get to live happy normal lives but it’s sad bc one day it’s going to be over. Madoka will regain her powers and who knows what will happen then? It’s a sweet dream that they’ll all have to wake up from eventually. Anyways, like I said I think it’s ok for us to disagree because it’s art and art is open for interpretation, esp with a film like rebellion.
@@Noahk98 "I think the good thing about rebellion is fans can interpret things how they want, so it's alright if we don't agree." I agree with you on this. (Although, I also believe there are some things in rebellion that are so clear that they are not open to interpretation, but the end is definitely not one of them) I still disagree with several of the other things you have said, but I will stop here because I know we will not come to an agreement (and as you said, that's fine), but first, I will make a clarification because I think you misinterpreted one of my previous statements: "You say madokas world is unstable because of the emotions released by Homuras soul gem distorting reality," I never said such a thing. This "Homura also distorted the surrounding reality when she released the emotions within her soul gem, does that mean the Madoka's world was unstable?" was a rhetorical question. I was practically saying that just as Madoka's world was not unstable just because Homura was able to "fragment" it just by releasing the energy within her soul gem, Homura's world was no less stable just because Madoka could "distort" it by just unleashing her powers (in both cases, reality was distorted not because it was "fragile", just because the power that a certain being released was too "strong", that's what I meant) . Also, I think you are confusing the concept of selfishness. Selfishness is specifically thinking only of yourself and acting only for your own benefit. Not caring about what happens to other people is not being selfish (unless it's tied to some desire of own benefit), it's being inconsiderate.
2019 or 2020!?! RU KIDDING. That is away yay too long for me. Tell me how to contact SHAFT Studio & Akiyuki Shinbo, so I can give them a bunch of ideas for the next sequel. So that way we can get it a lot sooner before 2019.
This scene just harks back to one of the timelines, with homura turning around the same way, madoka delivering an answer in a similar way, and I love that
"I guess I do think it's kind of bad to break the rules because you feel like it." - This kinda shatters my heart into a million pieces. Homura has sacrificed so much for Madoka, and now has to live with the fact that one day, they will be enemies. And Madoka, clueless of it all, tells Homura to her face something that only reinforces this, even if it's meant to be an answer to her question. It's a vague enough answer, where it makes sense given the question, but at the same time pours and pound of salt into Homura's wounds. Poor girls.
903IDFOLEY No. I think he mean the opening "Connect sequence" where Madoka face Homura with a determined expression (As a magical girl) and Homura look at Madoka back with a tired but determined face too.
The movie doesn't really make you care whether she is good or bad. All it does is tell us how she is going through all of this and how it effects her mentality. But if I had to choose between whether she's good or whether she's bad by personally judging her actions, I'd choose bad because even though she isn't herself a malicious person, her goals and actions ultimately can only be described by myself as not following the right path and not having a good result. Her little "Do you care about the world over your own wants?" question to Madoka is ultimately a red flag for me. Alongside her messing with reality to partially bring Madoka back to existence and then her attempts to keep her from going back rather than accept her sacrifice, it just isn't right unless you just straight up choose her side and believe she had all the right to do what she did in the movie. I still could sympathize with her. I could see her strong and unbearable sense of loss but none of that really gives any justification for her actions, just understandable reasons and reasons aren't excuses. Again, the movie is great, Homura is great, but that doesn't mean she did the right thing.
@@ibrahimihsan2090 I can't agree. I think what a lot of people fail to understand is that while Madoka's original wish to sacrifice herself for magical girls was a selfless act, it wasn't a good thing. She was essentially committing suicide and forcing herself to suffer for eternity in order to relieve the suffering of magical girls, and even then they still suffered in the Wraith universe. Madoka never wanted to sacrifice herself. She had to. Her sacrifice is a tragedy, and I don't really think Homura is wrong for not accepting it. Why does Madoka have the right to change the universe and Homura is a sinner for doing the same? It's the exact way Homura sees herself and her actions as inherently wrong because she hates herself. Homura's reality is flawed, but so was Madoka's. She rewrote reality to bring happiness to Madoka much the same way Madoka did. The only difference is that her intentions are smaller in scale and her reality is less stable than what Madoka did. Madoka tried to find a middle ground between relieving magical girls of their suffering and allowing the Incubators the energy they need to prolong entropy, and the Incubators refused it and tried to control her. Homura after all she's been through has absolutely no intention of giving the Incubators what they want and forced the suffering of magical girls onto them. But in Homura's world, ideally, all magical girls are happier because of what she has done, and Madoka gets to live a happy life. People tend to say that Homura only cares about Madoka, and yet Mami, Sayaka, Kyoko, and Nagisa are all living happy lives in this world as well. The only ones more miserable in Homura's reality is Homura herself and the Incubators.
@@meghan143x Good point but still, it doesn't really put Homura's actions in a positive light. We know that Madoka somewhat knows that she is trapped so that's why I think Homura isn't really doing the right thing, at least not completely.
@@ibrahimihsan2090 but does that make her actions bad? i wouldn't call her messing with madoka and the other girls memories good, but they are living genuinely happy lives, so i don't think i'd call what she's doing entirely bad either. her actions are somewhat morally grey, i wouldn't call them ideal but I wouldn't really call them morally wrong either. madoka was miserable as a god, her taking on that burden for so long is arguably worse than what homura did. madoka has low self esteem and a savior complex and feels like she has to sacrifice herself to make others happy, her actions and feelings that her living a normal life is wrong reflects this. Madoka and Homura are both exceptionally hard on themselves and sacrifice themselves. It was wrong for homura to try to sacrifice herself to eternally suffering as a witch and commiting suicide in the inhibition field the incubators trapped her in. I don't see anybody saying it was wrong for Madoka and the other magical girls to save homura from her suffering, even though it was technically homura's decision to sacrifice herself there to protect madoka from being taken by the incubators, because they did the right thing. Homura begged them not to save her and let her make her sacrifice. So then why is it a wrong thing for Homura to try and save Madoka from her sacrifice and give her a normal life. Like I said Madoka's sacrifice is not an inherently good thing for her. Madoka wanting to be the Law of Cycles is not born out of genuine care and regard for her own well-being, she isn't happy just as Homura was never happy with her own sacrifices. Madoka and Homura are both always hurting themselves for the sake of others. Maybe brainwashing Madoka isn't entirely the right thing, but I feel like letting her sacrifice herself again and live with that suffering and pain and burden isn't the right thing either. the worst thing homura is doing though is not allowing herself the happiness she tries to afford others and viewing herself as a monster
I don't think it was guilt, more like fear. She does not want to lose happiness again, she wants to be with Madoka in this illusion world forever. She does not want Madoka to learn the truth, cus this would destroy this world
Loc K not really. She knows Madoka will find out the truth. The only reason she created this world was because of the flower scene, where Madoka tells her she never really wanted to become a goddess. Now she sees Madoka show signs of remembering the past, she knows they'll one day become enemies, but continues to love Madoka and hope for her happiness. Madoka was the only person to ever show her love, so of course, as you say, was her only source of happiness. Because of that sheared obsessive, but she realised that upon becoming a demon, which is why she orders the Clara dolls to torture her still. It's nothing but intense self-hate. Poor home-girl woulda been fine if she had been shown more love throughout her life and the following timelines.
All it takes for Madoka to break free is mainly Homura's attention to be away at a crucial moment. Homura can't watch Madoka every single second. The wraiths still exist not to mention messing with reality is going to have repercussions.
Bruh, she's omniscient now. She literally CAN'T take her eyes off Madoka. The repercussions are already shown here. Homura is implying all over the ending that this universe is not permanent (Sayaka and Madoka will one day be her enemy) and is unstable (all it takes to unravel the universe is one of the girls remembering).
@@straypaper Homura did not bear as much "karma" as Madoka did when she made her wish. Madoka's wish is more powerful than Homura's. It's unlikely Homura has as much omniscience as you think.
@@Unahim Yes. But Homura has a similar amount to Madoka. (At least if she wasn’t trying to freaking murder herself!!) Plus she’s a devil/the new edition of Lucifer. So it’s completely possible that she can probably do the same thing Madoka does especially since she was powerful enough to steal her powers and split her into two.
the fact that madoka and homura are destined to be enemies now breaks my heart :( when that happens its going to be a sad day for the lesbian community
the red thread symbolizes a lot, souls that are destined to be together forever, right? or... something like that... I don't know... I lived on gacha sorry and madoka has the red ribbons in her hair, right? at the end of the anime, she gives her tapes to homura, who was the only thing left of madoka's existence, surviving from the recreation of the world and the universe Which means they're meant to be together or something... and at the end of rebellion, homura returns madoka's ribbons what can symbolize that homura thinks she doesn't deserve madoka's love they don't deserve to be together because homura thinks what she did was wrong, worthy of a villain so she now acts like she's a villain and who doesn't deserve madoka's love.
Yeah, I think that's quite obvious. The red thread is often called "red thread of fate" which means two people are destined soulmates and are connected to each other for lifetime. Homura giving back the ribbon could symbolize the cutting of the thread, thus separating her from Madoka. In the epilogue scene, there's also a ribbon tying the window where Madoka used to reach out to Homura before witching out. That also could symbolize Homura denies any hope/salvation or fate itself is preventing her from getting saved this time. I'm scared for Homura's fate now. Hopefully she doesn't die if Madoka is ever saved and brought back to life in the end.
1:30 Homura: "...then i suppose someday, you will become my enemy as well. But i don´t care, because even then, i will continue to wish for a world in which you will be happy..." Me: "OMG!!! Madokami vs DeviHomura. I would love see that" MADOKA REBELION SEQUEL has been announce for Fall 2021 Me: Whaaaaattt??!!!! the hype is rising!!!
Quote from a Japanese Youtubian: _"Maddy Magic is actually about the perpetual failure of Homura. No matter what she's doing and how she's doing it, things are always gonna be getting worse and worse. And her eventual demise is actually unavoidable."_ And when I honestly look at the series' happenings - especially Ep10, which is actually Ep00!! - then I gotta say: Yup, he's entirely right! Homura is the actual main char and anti heroine, "Maddy Magic" is therefore an intentional misleading, much like that infamous "light-hearted MG series"-announcement, if you remember. And therefore it isn't about "Girl becoming Goddess of Hope/Law of Cycles" = Madoka...it's actually about "Girl fighting an insane yet himself actually desperate Diety" = Homura vs. Kyubey!! And therefore = This ending, as shocking and infamous it might be, was meant to be exactly that way from the beginning!! Don't let looks deceive you! And don't let yourself be getting tricked by the authors! (And PS - someone did a very beautiful statement - Homura Akuma is actually now the pillar and maybe even pillow of the "Law of Cycle"-Goddess....think about it...)
Homura: way did you make me do this! I'm doing this for you're happiness Homura: think madoka you're become a concept you won't be remembered by everyone not even the people you love Homura: what will you have left after an eternity Madoka: you homura I still have you
Is Homura the villain or the hero? What was her purpose? Why she hidded the truth? Why she destroyed the perfect world waiting for her? Why it wasn't another person? Why she did such things for Madoka? Why she didn't go behind other people? Why she is so kind? Why she gives all for Madoka? Why she became a witch? Why she became a magical girl? Why she ended up like this? Why she acts like the villain instead that she is the hero? Why she cares so much about Madoka? Why would she run into despair all that 100 times? Why she keeps suffering? Why...Why...Why... Here is the answer: *Love*
okay if anyone comes here (well) after Walpurgisnatch Rising trailer, i just have an idea i thought about the first time i saw this scene and then i think gets stronger with the trailr and poster of PMMM:WR. get ready, it gets sad. i think this scene is a full display that we, the audience, need to come to the conclusion that the original personnality of Homura, the one that loved Madoka, is gone. leaving a personnality where she is obssesed with Madoka but more importantly, wth herself, her ideal world where Madoka is hers. seen by the final lines "you will become my enemy, but i don't care, because even then, i will continue to wis for a world in which you will be happy" but we and Homura aren't even sure if Madoka IS happy really this grandiose labirynth of Homura's desires, she doesn't seem very happy to not be in her new role, and she said she don't like when someone breaks rules just because they feel like it. but i think the most telling part is when Homura gives back OG Madoka the ribbon she gave to OG Homura, when Homura LOVED Madoka, it was her ultimate reminder, her ultimate symbol of love, and she give it back to a Madoka that will not love Homura anymore (i think) so Homura just, lost, she lost everything, her original self and Madoka, but this Homura is also dangerous, not only because of her powers, but because of her new personality, more focused on control then ever before. in conclusion, or a tl:dr ; Homura giving back the ribbon to Madoka is basically her last send off of everything she was in the original show/most of Rebellion, she is now just, the Devil, not even Homura
I don't know whether to slap Homura or hug her. On one hand she's being totally selfish and wanting to keep Madoka to herself and allow the world to suffer, on the other hand she's being totally selfless by becoming a demon to allow Madoka to escape a fate she never wanted in the first place (being God).
_Keep Madoka for herself_ There is no indication she did, nor any evidence (other than in gag comics) that she desires such a thing. On the other hand, if Homura did have this aim in mind, then there is no reason to keep Sayaka, Mami, Kyoko and Babe around, since they could one day figure things out and get in the way of her plans. _Allow the (puella magi?) to suffer_ How so? Homura told Sayaka she only took the part of the Law of Cycles which contained Kaname Madoka's memories, which to me is an indirect suggestion that the Law of Cycles still functions properly. In the same conversation, they also talks about Wraiths being a problem, but makes no mention of Witches which would logically be a far greater problem. This is further indication that the Law of Cycles still functions, and Witches do not exist in Homura's new world.
903IDFOLEY Sorry, I mean "the world to suffer" but sometimes my fingers are faster than my keyboard and my phone doesn't register words that I write in. And she DOES want to keep Madoka to herself. She selfishly would rather have Madoka and let all magical girls suffer. She even says that she wants Madoka and is happy that she finally has her and is never letting her go. I'm not just talking about this one scene at the end of the movie. I'm also accounting for the scene where Homura becomes a demon and the flower field scene. All of these point to Homura wanting to selfishly possess Madoka and also wanting to protect Madoka from a fate she never wanted.
+Percy Ross Saying you "won't let someone go" can have many meanings, not necessarily you want to keep them all to yourself. The fact remains that Homura does none of the things she _should_ have done if Homura intended to keep Madoka for herself. And were _exactly_ does it show the puella magi suffering after Rebellion's ending? Does Babe look unhappy with being alive again? Is Mami sad now that she has Babe to keep her company for real? Kyoko and Sayaka finally becoming friends for real? Sayaka being alive and finally being able to say "good morning" to her friends? Homura named herself as the devil because she is the one who rebelled against god, and she named herself as such due to her self-loathing for doing what she did to Madoka.
903IDFOLEY I'm not even going to argue with you. Clearly you don't understand what I'm saying and any further attempts to explain to you will fall on deaf ears.
+Percy Ross Clearly? Seriously? Look, I don't really mind if people feel the need to comment their thoughts to others, but have no interests in other people thoughts in return. I don't mind if people don't understand certain things and require a more detailed explanation. But don't be a twat and try to make it out like it's someone else's fault when you are the one who either can't be bothered, don't understand, or simply suck at conducting themselves in any kind of civil argument.
wait, in the beginning. did she regain a small part of her memory? is that why she hesitated? I think the next movie is gonna have Madoka with a little bit of her memory back.
Tinker Bell no, the Madoka we see is the personality aspect of the law of cycles, Madoka as a goddess, that was broken off by Homura in order for the later to finally have a normal life. But, since she is still a part of the law of cycles, all she needs to do in order to be reunited again is to remember. That’s why Homura says that she is bound to fight her, because it’s impossible to keep Madoka, because of how powerful she is, as it is
tsuya asui Probably... The fact that in their final scene together, Homura and Sayaka talked about "wraiths", but the topic of "witches" was never brought up - would point to the Law of Cycles still being in effect.
yo I think something interesting happened here that we didn't notice. *Madoka is still a god* I think Homura only took half of Madoka's powers. In the scene at the cliff, there's only half a moon, and Homura is leaning on the same side the whole half of the moon is on. Homura's new world, then, is also easily broken, as we see by Sayaka calling upon Oktavia somehow, despite the new world saying she shouldn't be able to, because if Sayaka wasn't a magical girl, then Oktavia wouldn't exist. There's also Madoka beginning to remember on her own and reality begins to shift again. Who is the only one who could stop that? Homura. Meaning Homura is equal to Madoka in power. I think Homura and Madoka are now two halfs of a whole.
I love how even the slightest bit of deja vu can unravel all of homura's work. Remember kids, there isnt a single universe where devil homura is stronger than ultimate madoka
I honestly think the ending was perfect, not silly. Not all endings need to be happy. Besides, this makes perfect sense for Homura's character. You think after all that she has been through she would just accept Madoka's wish?
Tyrant So defiant Lonely is your heart, sinking Consequences, no defenses If only you had been thinking You can buy it For a moment Why did both of us believe that We were right Tyrant!
Is a happy ending (for the reality that is as the existence of 'God' and 'Devil' solve the problem of entrophy) Is bitter sweet and ironic because kyuubi achieve his goals but was rewarded with eternal suffering Homura solve the main villian that keep causing suffering and managed to obtain a normal and fufilling life but now she is more than a mortal so is madoka (from here i suspect just like the first part of this movie who know the number of cycles homura have been living a normal and fufilling life with madoka) The nature of devil is indulgence in desire Perhaps shegot bored of repeating the normal and fufilling mortal life with madoka and want to let go of her control over madoka which result in her subconciously guiding madoka to recover.
We all know Homura will never hurt Madoka. Manipulate Madoka, sure. But to hurt her, I don't think she'll go that far. Neither would Madoka hurt Homura, even though she can easily overpower her. So I guess the conflict in the next movie would come from either Sayaka, Mami, or Kyoko. That's my theory for now.
Having the other magical girls from Kazumi Magica & Suzune Magica in the 2nd season of Madoka Magica (after this movie) would help a lot then if it were just the 5 of them alone.
Bruce Wayne Yes, but the problem is Madoka would also reclaim her place in the Law of Cycles which is currently being hijacked by Homura. If Homura is cut off from the Law of Cycles, it is unlikely that she would have enough power to contain the incubators. The incubators would then be free to target Godoka again, and with Godoka being unwilling to defend herself, the incubators will eventually succeed and everything becomes 50 times worse.
This whole anime was Homura going through an existential crisis and emotional breakdown basically.
Pretty much
summs up the movie perfectly yeah
Sacrificing too or idk
She fails, she's miserable.
She wins, she's miserable.
Homura needs a hug.
KrimzonFlygon1 Hug seducing I see there!
Well, reaching out to her just gets you depowered against your will, memory-wiped, and everything you accomplished brought down.
still its the best outcome she could have done.
Yeah, its like Tobi from Naruto vision of peace, where everybody is trapped inside illusion world in which all desires are fullfiled
Only in this movie it was a success for homura. Don't know if Madoka is happy. Reminds me of mahou shoujo ikusei keikaku when they end up fight each other as well. Even that didn't ended well
No, it's not exactly like Tobi's illusion.
See, what Homura made is, by all evidence, real. She brutally rewrote the laws of the universe themselves, much like Madoka did, and the extent of her meddling is making sure Madoka is kept far, FAR away from the world of magic so she can live a normal schoolgirl's life.
All this time, Madoka's just like. "Dafuq are you talking about? Why are you giving me ribbons?"
notice how golden is the color of gods’ blood and red - is of humans’. by redoing Madoka’s hair and replacing the yellow ribbon with a red one, Homura shows how she doesn’t accept Kaname as a god.
idk just found it kinda symbolic, maybe it’s not what the creators were going for
probably it was since since madoka magica has a lot of religious theme stuff
Homura: The end!
Sayaka: THAT DIDN'T HELP AT ALL!
Trishia Bidaure For Homura, it was Tuesday!
Kyoko: I'M UGLY AND I'M PROOUD!!!!
(She's not really ugly, by the way)
I feel so bad for Homura in this scene. To me, I think she gives Madoka the ribbons because she feels like she doesn't deserve them. She's breaking the last thing she has to connect her to Madoka, because even though Madoka is happy in this universe, she knows it won't last and that Madoka will eventually have to stand against her. Hence the "I will keep wishing for a world where you can be happy." Line. It implies that Homura knows this is not true happiness, so she will "keep wishing," for that world where Madoka can be truly happy.
All this being said, this ending fits the series so much better. The entire show was about how good and bad have to balance each other out, so to have a pure, "Homura goes away with Madoka and it's all happy!" Ending makes no sense for what the show has been trying to tell us.
Just because the ending is a bittersweet one doesn't mean it isn't a good ending. It's like some people have missed the point of the entire show.
Thank you for this perfect comment! :')
Whatever you say, egghead, I only need that unbalance pure ending. So no more destroy and rewrite universe anymore, no more trouble, no god vs devil
In this universe or their universe, there's too much good and bad things to keep the balance.
@@haohaosinh6902 Bruh not everything will end up in sunshine and rainbows or despair. Literally everyone in this ending is happy except Kyube and Homura. If you think about it, Homura punished herself in the end as well as she did with kyube. The whole madoka magica series is to reflect reality not delusions.
True.
OMFG I COULDN'T HAVE RELATED TO SPONGEBOB AS MUCH AS I DID JUST THEN
Taylor L *Says SMG4's Stupid Mario.*
She knows that one day, Madoka will again give her life for her world despite the fact that Homura let her have her human life back. The truth of that terrifies her.
Being Homura really is suffering.
There's gonna be a sequel after Rebellion. The story continues in Walpurgisnacht Rising.
@@heroboygamebase2286what whould happen to Walpu will it be more stronger??
@@stellarmelody2784 Probably coming this year.
The first time I saw Rebellion I was torn over my feelings for it, but every rewatch improves it. What an utterly fantastic ending. The promise of an inevitable collapse to what Homura has built leaving things open ended, but her love fulfilled at least for the moment.
Same here
Fulfilled is one way to put it, but even she knows that it's a hollow joke. That just makes it all the more tragic. Her perfect little world is imperfect before it even begins.
But the series isn't over
@@ms.pirate And that's a good thing!
@@iratepirate3896 WAKEY WAKEY WE GOT A NEW TRAILER AHHHHHHHHH
idk I liked this ending... not as a TRUE ending! I love how Madoka can just unravel all of Homura's illusions by simply questioning her identity and role in the universe.
John Smith It kinda sucks for Homura. All that work to try to save her can unravel just like that.
It's so sad how Madoka looks so f***ing confused... :c
I mean, despite I truly understand Homura's reasons, she didn't really have the right to decide on Madoka's role/life.
Andy Madoka was miserable as a Goddess though so Homura saved her from herself
@@PGOuma But Madoka willingly accepted to bear that burden.
a p a t h e t i c Was she tho? She seemed pretty content
The series will continue. The creator had said in an interview that Rebellion isn't the end.
The creator of the original anime hardly had any say in this movie.... I think there were two other producers, that completely ignored his ideas. In fact, the creator was perfectly fine with how it originally ended.
In which case something was off about the source. Personally I really like the rebellion plot twist, the ending is such a psuedo-cliff hanger though. It technically can end as is, but is not good closure.
+makayla4196 Nobody's words overwrote anyone else's. There was a process involved in making this movie, and everybody did their part.
*2 years ago*
Interestingly enough, the Madoka Magica 'Concept' Movie trailer has been released.
It goes to show the sheer scale of how powerful Madoka is to start to unravel the illusionary world Homura created with nothing but a pondering thought. And even worse for Homura, is that she wouldn't even be nearly that powerful in the first place if she hadn't looped the timeline so many times over the course of the main series.
I love how all of homura's work, all the effort she put in, and in the end, it wasn't even complete. Like a half finished job, but homura simply doesn't have the power to make it permanent. In pretty much every show/novel I have seen, compared to killing a god, harming one is easy, but killing them? pretty much impossible, no matter how strong homura became, unless she's strong enough to uproot the natural order of the creation itself, there was no way anything she did was gonna last forever. Just like this, shortly after she 'completed' her mission, in a sense she still failed.
You know. I've heard people say Homura wasn't on character,that this selfish action was not her.
But... Homura always loved Madoka... And Homura convinced herself more and more Madoka was unhappy...
Everything for Madoka. Everything for her. Everything to keep her happy. Everything to keep her safe. That's obsessive love. She loved her,and that love corrupted her.
But... Homura is aware... This world isn't perfect... Happiness won't last...
And so. The cycle could repeat itself.
Why do people hate the ending so much? I didn’t see any issues with it. It felt true to the story and duality and balance of the universe. Can someone who didn’t like the ending explain to me why they don’t like it?
I don't hate the ending, it just felt incomplete to me... We all know Homura's illusion won't last forever and Madoka eventually will regain her memories
Sage Mirei Because it was Tuesday?
Some dum-dums wanted an east ending wrapped in a neat little bow (which is a funny expression to use considering what Homura does with Madoka's hair here), and can't handle open-endedness. It's a good ending, and better than what the fans deserved.
I hate fans that require backstories and closure for every.single.thing.
The marvel movies have created a horrible race of unimaginative nerds.
Sage Mirei no, I think they don’t understand why the movie exists, which is to finish homura’s arc. All the girls go through the same emotional arc due to their wish. All except Homura, who gets a simple fight on ending. So this movie gives her that, showing what happens to her and what her actions have caused for her, and how she is Madoka’s opposite, a selfish wish vs a selfless one, love vs hope, a devil vs a god.
This is actually my favorite scene from rebellion. Everything about it is so wonderfully done. The way the music builds into the big moment, the ribbon symbolism, the fact it's a parallel scene of the hallway scene in the main series, and the subtext behind what they say, it's all wonderful.
This ending still hits me hard. I never felt this empty since I saw the ending of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo 2011.
This is way worse.
This is a sad ending for me...
Eventually Madoka will remember everything, and not only her, the other girls too, and when that moment comes everything Homura wished for, this world, will dissapear.
When they recover their memories Homura will be the villian..
Madoka: “I do think It’s kind of bad breaking rules because you feel like it”
Also Madoka:“I want them to stay smiling until the end. If any rule or law stands in my way I will destroy it. I will rewrite it”
Madoka broke the laws to save magical girls. Homura broke Madokas laws to save Madoka. However, magical girls still don’t turn into witches due to Homura making the incubators take the magical girls curses. But still, Homura did undermine and usurp Madoka.
@@Noahk98
"Madoka broke the laws to save magical girls."
And Homura. People always forgets that one of the things that impulsed Madoka the most to made her wish was save Homura. After all, Madoka didn't make up her mind until Kyubey told her that Homura's destiny was to keep repeating the same month until she became a witch, and instead of made her wish immediately, she first went to verify what Homura's condition was. Honestly, I think that if Homura would have won against Walpurgis Madoka would have never made her wish (especially after reading Homura's revenge).
"Homura broke Madokas laws"
The law of cycles is still working. As Homura told to Sayaka, she don't broke it (in a sence of "destroy/damage it"), she just took a little part (who was Madoka before being a concept) of it.
Homura broke the rules of the universe in the same way as Madoka, because she rewrite the universe to get a desired result, like Madoka. The only difference was the things that they wished for.
"However, magical girls still don’t turn into witches due to Homura making the incubators take the magical girls curses"
Magical girls still don't turn into witches because the law of cycles is still working. Homura is making the incubators take the world curses (the curses that give born to the spectres), that is why she told to Sayaka that the spectres would eventually disappear.
"Homura did undermine"
Tha's seems like an exaggeration to me. Madoka's system (the law of circles) is still working, and Homura's world is exactly like the one that Madoka made, with the exception that in Homura's world, Madoka exists and is a normal person... and there are some familiars that nobody notices running around, and the moon is split in half, but those things don't seem to affect the way the world works, so who cares?
@CL372
1. I still believe that even if Homura had defeated Walpurgis, Madoka still probably would have made her wish. Madoka is a very selfless person, and she sees herself as someone who doesn’t have anything to offer to the world. Madoka knows that she is the only girl with enough power to make that wish (eradicating witches) bc of Homura repeating timelines focused on her. Madoka would also know that Homura would still eventually become a witch, plus she can also prevent Sayaka from ever becoming a witch. This is why I believe Madoka would still make her wish to save all magical girls even if Homura had won.
2. I’m pretty sure the incubators are the ones bearing the magical girls curses. I read this on Wikipedia about Kyubey:
“In The Rebellion Story, which takes place after the series, Kyubey sealed Homura outside the Law of Circles' jurisdiction to force Madoka back into the physical world in an attempt to restore the witch system of the previous timelines since his kind have been harvesting less energy in the new system. But the scheme backfired when Homura ended up stealing Ultimate Madoka's powers for herself, enslaving Incubators to take Madoka's place in taking on the curses of the new world. Kyubey is last seen lying on the ground, disheveled and shivering as he is driven mad by his sudden ability to feel emotions combined with being forced to shoulder the combined grief, suffering, and despair of every magical girl that is, was, or ever will be.”
So yes, the law of cycles is still intact, with a piece missing (Madoka’s human self). This doesn’t negate the fact, however, that Madokas system is undermined in a sense. They both broke laws but you can’t compare them because Madokas reasons were entirely different and selfless. She sacrificed her own life in order to give magical girls salvation. Yes, in a sense it’s not fair bc Homuras only wish was to save Madoka and be with her and Madoka left her. I’m sure Madoka didn’t want to leave Homura. In fact, the lyrics to her character song “see you tomorrow” kind of confirm that Madoka really wanted to stay and not leave earth. In the flower scene, Homura realizes this and I think it has to do a lot with Homuras decision to “tear Madoka from the heavens”.
In the rebellion manga, Homura literally says she undermined Madoka. Yes the law of cycles is the same but it’s also different. She says that “she was as sacred as a god, but I fooled and undermined her!”
You can tell that Homuras world is very unstable. The familiars running around (just bc no one can see them doesn’t make it ok), the moon in half, the fact that Madoka was able to unravel homuras universe just by questioning her purpose in life. Homura stopped her then, but she knows that one day she won’t be able to. Homuras world is essentially a universe sized barrier/labyrinth. A seemingly perfect dollhouse, if you will. This world isn’t permanent; it’s a temporary, desperate solution. Homura knows this. So while Homura was able to give Madoka her old life with her family and friends, she still did, in a sense, betray her. Homura knows this and hates herself for it, it’s why her familiars commit suicide and throw tomatoes at her.
So yeah, Homura and Madoka broke the laws but for entirely different reasons. I’m not saying what Homura did was entirely wrong. Her intentions were good, her methods are a bit questionable. I don’t think it’s fair for people to say “Homura did nothing wrong” or “Homura did everything wrong” bc it’s a very complicated and gray situation. I feel bad for Homura, honestly. She isn’t a villain, but people see her that way so now she’s just acting the part because she knows no one will understand her. I can’t blame her for her actions either; the girls been through so much shit. They both just deserve to be happy.
Also, even if Homura had gone with Madoka to the afterlife, it’s likely the incubators would keep trying to control her and revert the timeline back to witches. Madoka, being the omnipresent goddess she is, probably would be able to stop them. However, let’s say they would have been successful in capturing Madoka and reverting the world back to magical girls turning into witches. Then, in a way, Homura may have done the right thing after all. I just feel like most people forget the fact that this is not a permanent situation; Madoka will regain her memories and powers eventually and who knows what will happen then. Homuras unstable world will probably begin to unravel like it did in the ending of the film. Only this time, Homura won’t be able to stop her...
Homura is a badass though and such an interesting character. She’s definitely one of my fave characters.
CL372
I think the good thing about rebellion is fans can interpret things how they want, so it’s alright if we don’t agree. I haven’t read Homuras Revenge but I’ll definitely check it out. I do really feel like if Walpurgis was defeated, Madoka would still probably have made her wish because she was so distraught over magical girls becoming witches. And she’s the only one with the power to make the wish to change that. Even though Homura wouldn’t become a witch then, she still would eventually. After all, this is the end for all magical girls. I believe if Madoka realized that she, and only she, has the power to prevent Homura from ever becoming a witch one day, and also undo Sayaka from becoming a witch, she would definitely still make the wish. Madoka asks Kyubey in the series if she became a magical girl, would she able to do things he couldn’t do? (Turn Sayaka back to human). And then she was about to make a wish (before Homura shot him).
I still view Homuras world as unstable tbh. The Homuverse is the real universe but I feel like it’s implied to also be like a barrier because of her familiars existing, as well as when she rewrites reality, you can see the colors from her soul gem engulfing the universe. So I feel like while her world is real, it still is, in a sense, like a barrier. Yes, all the girls are happy but i just get this feeling it’s like a sweet dream that they will all have to wake up from eventually (like the lyrics in “Made Dama Yo” talk about).
You say Homura did not betray Madoka because she gave her a happy life while still having the law of cycles function. I feel like the betrayal part comes from when Homura took away Madokas powers and memories and usurped her. Madoka was telling Homura to stop or else she’ll be ripped apart. Homura split her apart anyways. This is where the betrayal comes in.
I think the fact Madoka can unravel Homuras universe does allude to the instability of her world. You say madokas world is unstable because of the emotions released by Homuras soul gem distorting reality, but I don’t think that’s really the same thing? I feel like the writers included the familiars and broken moon to imply that something is not right with Homuras world. Something is off.
Are homuras actions selfish? You say no. Her reasons aren’t selfish (giving Madoka a happy life). But remember, she only cares about Madoka, no one else. She didn’t even intend for Sayaka to be in her world. She’s denying Madoka from knowing the truth bc of her wanting Madoka to be the normal girl
she knows and loves. In a way, this is selfish. Homuras selfishness is unique bc it’s not selfishness for herself, it’s selfishness for someone else. Let’s face it, Homuras love for Madoka has turned into an unhealthy obsession. All the pain she’s been through corrupted her love for Madoka and that’s what corrupted her soul gem. What Homura did was both selfish and selfless. Selfless bc she gave Madoka a happy life while sacrificing her own happiness. Selfish bc she lacks consideration for others; she went against Madoka even when Madoka told her to stop and took away her powers and memories just for her to have a temporary normal life. I love that madoka and all the other girls get to live happy normal lives but it’s sad bc one day it’s going to be over. Madoka will regain her powers and who knows what will happen then? It’s a sweet dream that they’ll all have to wake up from eventually.
Anyways, like I said I think it’s ok for us to disagree because it’s art and art is open for interpretation, esp with a film like rebellion.
@@Noahk98
"I think the good thing about rebellion is fans can interpret things how they want, so it's alright if we don't agree."
I agree with you on this. (Although, I also believe there are some things in rebellion that are so clear that they are not open to interpretation, but the end is definitely not one of them)
I still disagree with several of the other things you have said, but I will stop here because I know we will not come to an agreement (and as you said, that's fine), but first, I will make a clarification because I think you misinterpreted one of my previous statements:
"You say madokas world is unstable because of the emotions released by Homuras soul gem distorting reality,"
I never said such a thing. This "Homura also distorted the surrounding reality when she released the emotions within her soul gem, does that mean the Madoka's world was unstable?" was a rhetorical question. I was practically saying that just as Madoka's world was not unstable just because Homura was able to "fragment" it just by releasing the energy within her soul gem, Homura's world was no less stable just because Madoka could "distort" it by just unleashing her powers (in both cases, reality was distorted not because it was "fragile", just because the power that a certain being released was too "strong", that's what I meant)
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Also, I think you are confusing the concept of selfishness. Selfishness is specifically thinking only of yourself and acting only for your own benefit. Not caring about what happens to other people is not being selfish (unless it's tied to some desire of own benefit), it's being inconsiderate.
If they don't make a fourth movie I'm gonna be a hella pissed
Carlee Boulais The concept movie has been announced to be released in 2019 to 2020, this is due to Gen having current projects.
2019 or 2020!?! RU KIDDING. That is away yay too long for me. Tell me how to contact SHAFT Studio & Akiyuki Shinbo, so I can give them a bunch of ideas for the next sequel. So that way we can get it a lot sooner before 2019.
Phil Hutchinson lol please
Wait, source please?
Phil Hutchinson
No one wants your shitty ideas.
This scene just harks back to one of the timelines, with homura turning around the same way, madoka delivering an answer in a similar way, and I love that
"I guess I do think it's kind of bad to break the rules because you feel like it." - This kinda shatters my heart into a million pieces. Homura has sacrificed so much for Madoka, and now has to live with the fact that one day, they will be enemies. And Madoka, clueless of it all, tells Homura to her face something that only reinforces this, even if it's meant to be an answer to her question. It's a vague enough answer, where it makes sense given the question, but at the same time pours and pound of salt into Homura's wounds. Poor girls.
Homura thought she was remembering her godhood but really Madoka was opening up about her DeviantArt Werewolf OC she roleplays as
4th movie: Homura is finally truely happy after discoveribg Chipotle. The end.
i never had a problem with the ending of the movie, madoka magica isn't over yet, it's all about patience now for the next movie
I fucking cried on this scene, you can feel Homura's pain on the guts.
Madoka will regain her powers and we will see that final scene of the opening to actually happen.
You mean the one where Madoka and Homura sit together on chairs?
903IDFOLEY No.
I think he mean the opening "Connect sequence" where Madoka face Homura with a determined expression (As a magical girl) and Homura look at Madoka back with a tired but determined face too.
I can't help but love this ending. I live for the angst
My sides are in Rebellion.
I think Madoka, deep down, does remember. She just...chooses not to come out yet.
how people still think homura is evil even after this scene is beyond me
The movie doesn't really make you care whether she is good or bad. All it does is tell us how she is going through all of this and how it effects her mentality.
But if I had to choose between whether she's good or whether she's bad by personally judging her actions, I'd choose bad because even though she isn't herself a malicious person, her goals and actions ultimately can only be described by myself as not following the right path and not having a good result.
Her little "Do you care about the world over your own wants?" question to Madoka is ultimately a red flag for me. Alongside her messing with reality to partially bring Madoka back to existence and then her attempts to keep her from going back rather than accept her sacrifice, it just isn't right unless you just straight up choose her side and believe she had all the right to do what she did in the movie. I still could sympathize with her. I could see her strong and unbearable sense of loss but none of that really gives any justification for her actions, just understandable reasons and reasons aren't excuses.
Again, the movie is great, Homura is great, but that doesn't mean she did the right thing.
@@ibrahimihsan2090 I agree.
@@ibrahimihsan2090 I can't agree. I think what a lot of people fail to understand is that while Madoka's original wish to sacrifice herself for magical girls was a selfless act, it wasn't a good thing. She was essentially committing suicide and forcing herself to suffer for eternity in order to relieve the suffering of magical girls, and even then they still suffered in the Wraith universe. Madoka never wanted to sacrifice herself. She had to. Her sacrifice is a tragedy, and I don't really think Homura is wrong for not accepting it. Why does Madoka have the right to change the universe and Homura is a sinner for doing the same? It's the exact way Homura sees herself and her actions as inherently wrong because she hates herself. Homura's reality is flawed, but so was Madoka's.
She rewrote reality to bring happiness to Madoka much the same way Madoka did. The only difference is that her intentions are smaller in scale and her reality is less stable than what Madoka did. Madoka tried to find a middle ground between relieving magical girls of their suffering and allowing the Incubators the energy they need to prolong entropy, and the Incubators refused it and tried to control her. Homura after all she's been through has absolutely no intention of giving the Incubators what they want and forced the suffering of magical girls onto them. But in Homura's world, ideally, all magical girls are happier because of what she has done, and Madoka gets to live a happy life. People tend to say that Homura only cares about Madoka, and yet Mami, Sayaka, Kyoko, and Nagisa are all living happy lives in this world as well. The only ones more miserable in Homura's reality is Homura herself and the Incubators.
@@meghan143x Good point but still, it doesn't really put Homura's actions in a positive light.
We know that Madoka somewhat knows that she is trapped so that's why I think Homura isn't really doing the right thing, at least not completely.
@@ibrahimihsan2090 but does that make her actions bad? i wouldn't call her messing with madoka and the other girls memories good, but they are living genuinely happy lives, so i don't think i'd call what she's doing entirely bad either. her actions are somewhat morally grey, i wouldn't call them ideal but I wouldn't really call them morally wrong either.
madoka was miserable as a god, her taking on that burden for so long is arguably worse than what homura did. madoka has low self esteem and a savior complex and feels like she has to sacrifice herself to make others happy, her actions and feelings that her living a normal life is wrong reflects this. Madoka and Homura are both exceptionally hard on themselves and sacrifice themselves. It was wrong for homura to try to sacrifice herself to eternally suffering as a witch and commiting suicide in the inhibition field the incubators trapped her in. I don't see anybody saying it was wrong for Madoka and the other magical girls to save homura from her suffering, even though it was technically homura's decision to sacrifice herself there to protect madoka from being taken by the incubators, because they did the right thing. Homura begged them not to save her and let her make her sacrifice.
So then why is it a wrong thing for Homura to try and save Madoka from her sacrifice and give her a normal life. Like I said Madoka's sacrifice is not an inherently good thing for her. Madoka wanting to be the Law of Cycles is not born out of genuine care and regard for her own well-being, she isn't happy just as Homura was never happy with her own sacrifices. Madoka and Homura are both always hurting themselves for the sake of others. Maybe brainwashing Madoka isn't entirely the right thing, but I feel like letting her sacrifice herself again and live with that suffering and pain and burden isn't the right thing either. the worst thing homura is doing though is not allowing herself the happiness she tries to afford others and viewing herself as a monster
SHE LOOKS SO. FUCKING GUILTY OH NO. SHE LOOKED POSSESSED AT THE END. HOMURA DIDNT WANT IT TO HAPPEN LIKE THIS.
I don't think it was guilt, more like fear. She does not want to lose happiness again, she wants to be with Madoka in this illusion world forever.
She does not want Madoka to learn the truth, cus this would destroy this world
Loc K not really.
She knows Madoka will find out the truth. The only reason she created this world was because of the flower scene, where Madoka tells her she never really wanted to become a goddess. Now she sees Madoka show signs of remembering the past, she knows they'll one day become enemies, but continues to love Madoka and hope for her happiness.
Madoka was the only person to ever show her love, so of course, as you say, was her only source of happiness. Because of that sheared obsessive, but she realised that upon becoming a demon, which is why she orders the Clara dolls to torture her still. It's nothing but intense self-hate.
Poor home-girl woulda been fine if she had been shown more love throughout her life and the following timelines.
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that spongebob clip caught me so off guard what the fuck
See you guys after movie 4
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Being Homura is suffering
There's gonna be a sequel after Rebellion. The story continues in Walpurgisnacht Rising.
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Do you feel the despair now, Ms Homura?
You say that as if despair is a new thing to Homura. :-/
903IDFOLEY lol indeed
All it takes for Madoka to break free is mainly Homura's attention to be away at a crucial moment. Homura can't watch Madoka every single second. The wraiths still exist not to mention messing with reality is going to have repercussions.
Bruh, she's omniscient now. She literally CAN'T take her eyes off Madoka. The repercussions are already shown here. Homura is implying all over the ending that this universe is not permanent (Sayaka and Madoka will one day be her enemy) and is unstable (all it takes to unravel the universe is one of the girls remembering).
@@straypaper Homura did not bear as much "karma" as Madoka did when she made her wish. Madoka's wish is more powerful than Homura's. It's unlikely Homura has as much omniscience as you think.
@@Unahim Yes. But Homura has a similar amount to Madoka. (At least if she wasn’t trying to freaking murder herself!!) Plus she’s a devil/the new edition of Lucifer. So it’s completely possible that she can probably do the same thing Madoka does especially since she was powerful enough to steal her powers and split her into two.
the fact that madoka and homura are destined to be enemies now breaks my heart
:( when that happens its going to be a sad day for the lesbian community
7 years later, and your wish in the description has been granted. There will be a Rebellion sequel.
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This was never meant to be the final movie. lol
the red thread symbolizes a lot, souls that are destined to be together forever, right?
or... something like that... I don't know... I lived on gacha sorry
and madoka has the red ribbons in her hair, right?
at the end of the anime, she gives her tapes to homura, who was the only thing left of madoka's existence, surviving from the recreation of the world and the universe
Which means they're meant to be together or something...
and at the end of rebellion, homura returns madoka's ribbons
what can symbolize that homura thinks she doesn't deserve madoka's love
they don't deserve to be together
because homura thinks what she did was wrong, worthy of a villain
so she now acts like she's a villain
and who doesn't deserve madoka's love.
Yeah, I think that's quite obvious. The red thread is often called "red thread of fate" which means two people are destined soulmates and are connected to each other for lifetime. Homura giving back the ribbon could symbolize the cutting of the thread, thus separating her from Madoka. In the epilogue scene, there's also a ribbon tying the window where Madoka used to reach out to Homura before witching out. That also could symbolize Homura denies any hope/salvation or fate itself is preventing her from getting saved this time. I'm scared for Homura's fate now. Hopefully she doesn't die if Madoka is ever saved and brought back to life in the end.
@@esthererica7406
everything I want is them to be happy. God, they are just teenagers, they didn't need to suffer what suffered.
That ending with Patrick was unexpected lol
1:30 Homura: "...then i suppose someday, you will become my enemy as well. But i don´t care, because even then, i will continue to wish for a world in which you will be happy..."
Me: "OMG!!! Madokami vs DeviHomura. I would love see that"
MADOKA REBELION SEQUEL has been announce for Fall 2021
Me: Whaaaaattt??!!!! the hype is rising!!!
I'm waiting for the all epic fight where Madoka is like, "ok, bitch. Your staying with me this time and I am taking my powers back."
1:52 WOW, JUST WOW. LOL XD
This scene shows that Homura now has the power to change the whole universe, but the one thing she CAN'T change is Madoka. Sad
Well... I think her power derives from her 😌
@@mesugakichama It does, actually. Because her only wish was to be strong enough to protect her. She became strong because Madoka was strong.
Homura won the battle, but lost the war.
I cant believe this entire thing began with madokas cat dying
1:10 I feel like this question is the thing that whether or not people enjoyed this movie relies on.
this was unexpected
Quote from a Japanese Youtubian:
_"Maddy Magic is actually about the perpetual failure of Homura. No matter what she's doing and how she's doing it, things are always gonna be getting worse and worse. And her eventual demise is actually unavoidable."_
And when I honestly look at the series' happenings - especially Ep10, which is actually Ep00!! - then I gotta say: Yup, he's entirely right! Homura is the actual main char and anti heroine, "Maddy Magic" is therefore an intentional misleading, much like that infamous "light-hearted MG series"-announcement, if you remember. And therefore it isn't about "Girl becoming Goddess of Hope/Law of Cycles" = Madoka...it's actually about "Girl fighting an insane yet himself actually desperate Diety" = Homura vs. Kyubey!!
And therefore = This ending, as shocking and infamous it might be, was meant to be exactly that way from the beginning!!
Don't let looks deceive you! And don't let yourself be getting tricked by the authors!
(And PS - someone did a very beautiful statement - Homura Akuma is actually now the pillar and maybe even pillow of the "Law of Cycle"-Goddess....think about it...)
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Homura: way did you make me do this! I'm doing this for you're happiness
Homura: think madoka you're become a concept you won't be remembered by everyone not even the people you love
Homura: what will you have left after an eternity
Madoka: you homura I still have you
I like to think that they wouldn't be enemies in the end though.
They would be somewhat similar to god and mephisto in "Faust", behaving like old rivals, but not really hostile to one another.
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I actually loved this ending, even though it almost ruined the movie by a hair's width.
I wouldn't even mind if it never was continued.
JacomeFelg I feel the same way.
JacomeFelg it didn't ruin the movie
Nah it needs a proper ending, it’s like if the Avengers stopped at Infinity War.
@@JustEverton yea lol
Venor nah, it gives homura the same arc the other girls had
the ending of this video legit gave me whiplash
She says the same thing in episode 1 of puella magi(I think), they're also in the same setting.
Is Homura the villain or the hero?
What was her purpose?
Why she hidded the truth?
Why she destroyed the perfect world waiting for her?
Why it wasn't another person?
Why she did such things for Madoka?
Why she didn't go behind other people?
Why she is so kind?
Why she gives all for Madoka?
Why she became a witch?
Why she became a magical girl?
Why she ended up like this?
Why she acts like the villain instead that she is the hero?
Why she cares so much about Madoka?
Why would she run into despair all that 100 times?
Why she keeps suffering?
Why...Why...Why...
Here is the answer:
*Love*
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0:28 Madoka: “Surprise mother (beep)er!”
You said it Spongebob.
Meguca makes me savage
okay if anyone comes here (well) after Walpurgisnatch Rising trailer, i just have an idea i thought about the first time i saw this scene and then i think gets stronger with the trailr and poster of PMMM:WR. get ready, it gets sad.
i think this scene is a full display that we, the audience, need to come to the conclusion that the original personnality of Homura, the one that loved Madoka, is gone. leaving a personnality where she is obssesed with Madoka but more importantly, wth herself, her ideal world where Madoka is hers. seen by the final lines "you will become my enemy, but i don't care, because even then, i will continue to wis for a world in which you will be happy" but we and Homura aren't even sure if Madoka IS happy really this grandiose labirynth of Homura's desires, she doesn't seem very happy to not be in her new role, and she said she don't like when someone breaks rules just because they feel like it. but i think the most telling part is when Homura gives back OG Madoka the ribbon she gave to OG Homura, when Homura LOVED Madoka, it was her ultimate reminder, her ultimate symbol of love, and she give it back to a Madoka that will not love Homura anymore (i think) so Homura just, lost, she lost everything, her original self and Madoka, but this Homura is also dangerous, not only because of her powers, but because of her new personality, more focused on control then ever before.
in conclusion, or a tl:dr ; Homura giving back the ribbon to Madoka is basically her last send off of everything she was in the original show/most of Rebellion, she is now just, the Devil, not even Homura
*The day Homura grazed your expectations was the most important day of your life. For Homura, it was Tuesday.*
さいごのはなんやw
I was in the middle of fucking crying Spongebob xD
1:02 THAT CREEPY SOUND THO
1:08 DAMN YOU CRAZY HOMU HOMU
I don't know whether to slap Homura or hug her. On one hand she's being totally selfish and wanting to keep Madoka to herself and allow the world to suffer, on the other hand she's being totally selfless by becoming a demon to allow Madoka to escape a fate she never wanted in the first place (being God).
_Keep Madoka for herself_
There is no indication she did, nor any evidence (other than in gag comics) that she desires such a thing. On the other hand, if Homura did have this aim in mind, then there is no reason to keep Sayaka, Mami, Kyoko and Babe around, since they could one day figure things out and get in the way of her plans.
_Allow the (puella magi?) to suffer_
How so? Homura told Sayaka she only took the part of the Law of Cycles which contained Kaname Madoka's memories, which to me is an indirect suggestion that the Law of Cycles still functions properly.
In the same conversation, they also talks about Wraiths being a problem, but makes no mention of Witches which would logically be a far greater problem. This is further indication that the Law of Cycles still functions, and Witches do not exist in Homura's new world.
903IDFOLEY Sorry, I mean "the world to suffer" but sometimes my fingers are faster than my keyboard and my phone doesn't register words that I write in. And she DOES want to keep Madoka to herself. She selfishly would rather have Madoka and let all magical girls suffer. She even says that she wants Madoka and is happy that she finally has her and is never letting her go. I'm not just talking about this one scene at the end of the movie. I'm also accounting for the scene where Homura becomes a demon and the flower field scene. All of these point to Homura wanting to selfishly possess Madoka and also wanting to protect Madoka from a fate she never wanted.
+Percy Ross
Saying you "won't let someone go" can have many meanings, not necessarily you want to keep them all to yourself. The fact remains that Homura does none of the things she _should_ have done if Homura intended to keep Madoka for herself.
And were _exactly_ does it show the puella magi suffering after Rebellion's ending? Does Babe look unhappy with being alive again? Is Mami sad now that she has Babe to keep her company for real? Kyoko and Sayaka finally becoming friends for real? Sayaka being alive and finally being able to say "good morning" to her friends?
Homura named herself as the devil because she is the one who rebelled against god, and she named herself as such due to her self-loathing for doing what she did to Madoka.
903IDFOLEY I'm not even going to argue with you. Clearly you don't understand what I'm saying and any further attempts to explain to you will fall on deaf ears.
+Percy Ross
Clearly? Seriously?
Look, I don't really mind if people feel the need to comment their thoughts to others, but have no interests in other people thoughts in return. I don't mind if people don't understand certain things and require a more detailed explanation. But don't be a twat and try to make it out like it's someone else's fault when you are the one who either can't be bothered, don't understand, or simply suck at conducting themselves in any kind of civil argument.
I FELT LIKE BREAKING SOMEONE'S SKULL IN THIS MOMENT
最後びびったw
Homura walked so that the Scarlett WItch can run
wait, in the beginning. did she regain a small part of her memory? is that why she hesitated? I think the next movie is gonna have Madoka with a little bit of her memory back.
Tinker Bell no, the Madoka we see is the personality aspect of the law of cycles, Madoka as a goddess, that was broken off by Homura in order for the later to finally have a normal life. But, since she is still a part of the law of cycles, all she needs to do in order to be reunited again is to remember. That’s why Homura says that she is bound to fight her, because it’s impossible to keep Madoka, because of how powerful she is, as it is
I reaaaaaaaallllllyyyyyyy wish madoka would have become a god again
And I reaaaaalllyyy wish people would fucking understand that's not a good thing for Madoka.
And I reaaaalllllyyyy wish people would fucking get that it was the only salvation magical girls had
Samy EN Who said the "salvation" is no longer there?
Tony SansNom is it still there then ?
tsuya asui
Probably... The fact that in their final scene together, Homura and Sayaka talked about "wraiths", but the topic of "witches" was never brought up - would point to the Law of Cycles still being in effect.
yo I think something interesting happened here that we didn't notice. *Madoka is still a god*
I think Homura only took half of Madoka's powers. In the scene at the cliff, there's only half a moon, and Homura is leaning on the same side the whole half of the moon is on. Homura's new world, then, is also easily broken, as we see by Sayaka calling upon Oktavia somehow, despite the new world saying she shouldn't be able to, because if Sayaka wasn't a magical girl, then Oktavia wouldn't exist. There's also Madoka beginning to remember on her own and reality begins to shift again. Who is the only one who could stop that? Homura. Meaning Homura is equal to Madoka in power.
I think Homura and Madoka are now two halfs of a whole.
Being meguca is suffering
I love how even the slightest bit of deja vu can unravel all of homura's work. Remember kids, there isnt a single universe where devil homura is stronger than ultimate madoka
I honestly think the ending was perfect, not silly. Not all endings need to be happy. Besides, this makes perfect sense for Homura's character. You think after all that she has been through she would just accept Madoka's wish?
I love the music in this scene
Homura wants Madoka to choose desire, to break the rules, and to care about herself more than than the needs of the rest of the world
まどか…円環に戻らないでここに留まって
Wow
I kinda liked the ending
This anime is like depression on LSD
the music in this scene is so sad
このシーンほむらとまどかこの二人切ない百合
Tyrant
So defiant
Lonely is your heart, sinking
Consequences, no defenses
If only you had been thinking
You can buy it
For a moment
Why did both of us believe that
We were right
Tyrant!
Love it
最期が残念すぎて仕方ない(-_-)
Pretty sure Madoka was happy as a God, but whatever.
"Happy" and "Content" are very different things.
903IDFOLEY not really
903IDFOLEY content literally means in french HAPPY so i don’t get your point
tsuyu asui Pretty sure they’re American but yknow that’s just me assuming things because different languages and different meanings.
PsychoVdudr13x Dude, have you even seen the series+movie?
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Is a happy ending (for the reality that is as the existence of 'God' and 'Devil' solve the problem of entrophy)
Is bitter sweet and ironic because kyuubi achieve his goals but was rewarded with eternal suffering
Homura solve the main villian that keep causing suffering and managed to obtain a normal and fufilling life but now she is more than a mortal so is madoka (from here i suspect just like the first part of this movie who know the number of cycles homura have been living a normal and fufilling life with madoka)
The nature of devil is indulgence in desire
Perhaps shegot bored of repeating the normal and fufilling mortal life with madoka and want to let go of her control over madoka which result in her subconciously guiding madoka to recover.
I wasnt ready
I got depression from watching this
We all know Homura will never hurt Madoka. Manipulate Madoka, sure. But to hurt her, I don't think she'll go that far. Neither would Madoka hurt Homura, even though she can easily overpower her. So I guess the conflict in the next movie would come from either Sayaka, Mami, or Kyoko. That's my theory for now.
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0:25
まどか靴下の長さ違う…w
Dat end xd
Same SpongeBob... same.
Having the other magical girls from Kazumi Magica & Suzune Magica in the 2nd season of Madoka Magica (after this movie) would help a lot then if it were just the 5 of them alone.
That's pretty much some people's reaction to the end of Attack on Titan
だまされた
Homura is taller than Madoka lol
1:04 is that some kind of threat???
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the spongebob suddenly pop-out almost ruined the atmosphere of the video😂
最後のww
それなw
Wait...
What if Homura didn't do anything to stop her from remembering?
Bruce Wayne Yes, but the problem is Madoka would also reclaim her place in the Law of Cycles which is currently being hijacked by Homura.
If Homura is cut off from the Law of Cycles, it is unlikely that she would have enough power to contain the incubators. The incubators would then be free to target Godoka again, and with Godoka being unwilling to defend herself, the incubators will eventually succeed and everything becomes 50 times worse.
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