The Latter-day Saints' Sealing Room
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- In this web extra, David Bednar, an apostle of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and his wife, Susan Bednar, explain to CBS News' Ed O'Keefe the symbolism of the temple's Sealing Room, where rituals are held to make relationships eternal.
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Thank you for the wonderful marriage advice: "If you are concerned with your spouse's comfort and well being thing things work fine. "That reminds me of something Gordon B. Hinckley said: “I am satisfied that happiness in marriage is not so much a matter of romance as it is an anxious concern for the comfort and well-being of one’s companion."
I remember that talk at our sealing 43 years ago- I wanted to run! But I remembered - It’s just symbolic - Jesus is The Way to Heavenly Courts in High. No one else.
Thank you for you both for sharing your knowledge to a reporter and us.
Beautiful video about a covenant with God, our Father. I've spoken with David and Susan Bednar more than once, and they teach truth.
I love temples! Thanks for the nice reporting on our Church! I hope everyone has a nice day! (leaving this comment because there is so much negativity in the comment section, which saddens me)
Indeed.... I consider myself neutral and I agree with you
Wow. Susan got to say one whole sentence, and you better believe he corrected and clarified what she meant. #freesusan
I feel it is important to understand that the LDS people are not perfect, and we know that. We all have our problems and issues to deal with. If only perfect people attended church, then there would be no one there. That is one of the reasons to go to church is to learn to become better as we follow the Savior, Jesus Christ. To me, it is wonderful to know that I can be with my family forever if I am sealed in the temple and keep my promises. Most participating members strive every day to become better individuals, to better our families and the community. Moreover, as a people we strive to lift the burdens of those that are around us. I would hope that any open-minded person would be able to see the good that comes from the members of this church. Thank you, CBS, for airing this interview.
Creating a falsified narrative does not fall under the category of "not perfect" as far as the leadership goes. Their level of gaslighting and misrepresentations are entirely unworthy of those presenting themselves as speaking for God. In the age of the internet, they can no longer control the narrative, and former adherents have had the fortitude to venture outside the bubble.
I think the Church is a wonderful nolacw to be if you are young and looking for a traditional life style.
Is it wonderful that you are not given informed consent on what you were going to promise in the temple beforehand?
@@williamcharles2117This is a wonderful church with wonderful people. We invite all to come and learn more about the teachings of the church. If they sincerely seek answers to their prayers, they will receive witnesses from God that this is the Saviors true church on the earth today. As far as I know,, God is the ultimate witness of truth and no one else. It is by the Holy Ghost that we may know the truth of all things. I recognize that some will receive that witness, but their spiritual foundation is no longer built on stone. Sometimes they will leave the church, and that is their right. Ultimately, each of us is responsible for what we do during our precious time on earth. Eventually each of us will be brought before the judgement of God to answer for those things we did and didn't do. To me it is awesome that Jesus Christ will be the judge. Thanks for the comment.
@@nrlondon7959 - the niceness of individuals has no bearing on the truthfulness of your faith. And to pray for confirmation (Moroni's challenge) but not get it is merely dismissed as the individual did not do it right, or was not sincere, or whatever. The church says people can gain discernment from the Holy Ghost, but only if it doesn't contradict what the prophets have said, whereas prophets can contradict the revelations of previous prophets. I agree with the exmos who maintain that so much of their belief was only possible because the church did not practice full disclosure. If the church truly had integrity, they would refund the tithes of those who no longer believe. Instead, they often smear those who broke free of their programming. I grew up with Mormon neighbors (I'm mid '60s). They were indeed wonderful people, but even then it felt wrong for a six year old to stand up in the meeting our family was invited to and say, "I know the church is true and that Joseph Smith is its prophet." That is an abuse of the word "know" and there is no doubt that little boy was coached to say that. I'm glad I wasn't raised in a high demand religion (ex-Catholic atheist/agnostic now) but have also seen the damage high demand religions can inflict. I mostly became active seeing how religious groups tried to assert their godviews through politics. They helped fund Prop 8 in my state and Elder Jeffrey R. Holland lied about it ("Not one red cent... "). I'm glad to show the colors for humanism and freethought here. And I'm grateful to exmos that show other exmos support and provide them a sense of community. Peace to you. You believe that you have the ultimate truth of the universe via "revealed knowledge." That is quite a claim indeed.
Great presentation.
I love going to the temple, and can’t wait to get married and have a healthy life with my family learning gospel doctrine! The temple is a great place, and I encourage you all to make some time and attend. (Even a stroll around on the grounds with your family)
It is a Scientology type of cult. It’s a very sad, serious situation for those in it.
LMFAO. Omg.
Please seek truth before that happens
I think the person was being sarcastic
@@LPanimal6 You do? LOL. That would be 😂
Cue all the haters. Hate the Latter-day Saints/Mormons all you want, but there isn't a church in the world that does more than theirs for the betterment of this world.
True, but that doesn’t make these people less creepy and awkward.
@@lisaw2778 ... based on what evidence other than your narrow minded ignorance, bigotry, and hatred?
The Mormon church has more than $150 billion hoarded in its Ensign Peak Fund.
Mormons give 10% of their income to the church yet the church spends less than 0.5% of its income for charitable causes.
The Sikh Golden Temple in Amritsar, India feeds 100,000 hungry people daily. Literally anyone can show up and get a meal, any time of day.
Worldwide, the Catholics have 18,000 healthcare clinics, 16,000 homes for the elderly and those with special needs, and 5,500 hospitals, with 65 percent of them located in developing countries.
The Salvation Army (a Methodist sect) only has 1.7 million members and yet they serve the poor, hungry, needy, and imprisoned in 132 countries on a fraction of the financial resources this church has.
I'd love to see your sources on how the LDS church actually makes the world a better place. Yes, I've already seen the current (and past) World Report and it's a puff piece.
@@MichaelSmith-fq3pg One of these days you're gonna figure out what's really right, BUT today is obviously not that day. And puff piece? Talk about numbers being inflated. The numbers you threw out aren't even close. But nice try. I'll give you an A for atleast trying. Like I said, one of these days you're gonna figure out what's really right.
@@stormwatcher565 Your reply is the kindest ad hominem I've yet received, kudos. If I'm inaccurate then, by all means, show me where and I'll improve.
One source (of many) for the Golden Temple: ruclips.net/video/tRThWwbR-rE/видео.html
It is a beautiful thing to see an apostle of the lord give a little insight into the promises and covenants of the temple.
CULT…👎🏻🤣😂🤣😂🤣👎🏻
@@_S-O-S_ by definition all churches are cults. We devote all our efforts and attention towards Christ. I encourage you to abandon your efforts to bring down the Church of Jesus Christ. Your efforts are fruitless. No unhallowed hand can stop this work
@Millicient Aspinet the Book of Mormon is scripture. The holy bible is scripture. I have prayed about my beliefs and challenged them. I know that the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only true and living church upon the face of the earth.
I have found that most who are critical of the BofM, have never read it. Therefore they disqualify themselves in offering any viable opinion one way or the other.
@@moonza2201 the beautiful thing about freedom is you can form a valid opinion regardless of your experience. No one is disqualified from a discussion about the validity of the Book of Mormon.
Thank you to the Bednars, the Christoffersons, and CBS for this respectful and uplifting coverage.
CBS thanks the overflowing LDS coffers for their donation as well!
@@thelastgoonie6555 What basis do you have for saying such a thing? You really seem to be grasping here, and I can't imagine that you even hope to do any good with such comments.
Covenants that I made to my Savior, in the temple with my wife, provide a level of peace and comfort in the chaos of uncertain times.
I'm sure Joseph Smith would say the same thing about his 33 wives.
@Scott--tell us how many women Joseph Smith "sealed" himself to BEFORE he was sealed to his first wife Emma. We'll wait...
Where's Jay Britton...? He doesn't want to share his stunning insight?
Free Susan!!!
#FreeSusan That poor woman! Every time I see her give a talk or next to David, I feel bad for her.
@@tymikesell Maybe she's just not as talkative on camera? Some people are more talkative than other people, so it could just be different personalities. No need to assume she is not being allowed to speak. Perhaps Elder Bednar could let her talk more, but I can't really say without being a hypocrite because I tend to talk a lot and overrun a conversation sometimes, too. But maybe that didn't happen and she just isn't that talkative on camera, which is my bet.
Thanks CBS Sunday Morning, this was inspiring!
"if we are not true to that covenant" .... Buddy, you both have your second anointing because you're a white privileged male. It's GUARANTEED FOR YOU but not the measly members who pay your salary
Very disappointed in this story and coverage. As a former member who was able to learn the truth and escape I can’t believe this is how cbs covered this story. Please do better, I expect more from cbs!
Escape implies someone was imprisoning you. My guess? You were free to walk away?
Yup they are free to walk away. They can always leave it...but they can almost never leave it alone... Just like Joseph Smith said would be the case.
@@rdancranston the church helps you weave an incredibly complex culture into every aspect of your life. That way, when you leave it's impossible to "leave fully". Think of all the part member families or friends who are still members. You don't think they share or try and involve you in their life be it church or otherwise. Very naïve of you to think it's that simple. Take this cbs clip for instance, how did I even know about it. I was "invited to watch" it from no less than 7 people. So please members, keep inviting us to watch your video or view lds social media posts we're excited to share our perspectives and will continue to do so more until you stop. As far as what Joseph Smith said lol, he also said we're in the end of times..........guess that didn't happen. It's like those alien people on Parks and Rec who keep getting the date wrong. Just admit nobody knows anything and move on. You now what, I think it might rain at some point in the future.
My reply was to someone who said she escaped and got away from the church. My reply is to SO many ex LDS people who say they escaped...got away or FINALLY left the church and yet you see them all over LDS sights throwing stuff out there about the Church. They can't leave it alone. You may have had people invite you but that doesn't mean you had to watch it. Also Joseph Smith was right these are the end times. No date was ever given. So yea it hasn't happened .....yet.
@@rdancranston they invited you but you didn’t have to watch it lol, just like you didn’t need to read or reply to our comments. Are you aware that the temple names are listed on a rotational basis depending on which day of the month you go? No inspiration or special unique name, have a conflicting dentist appointment? Get a new name. Look it up, LDS Temple name rotations. Check it against your own name. Sucks to learn it’s not inspired. Just made up.
Thank you, CBS! Beautiful video!!!
Thank you CBS for showing about my religion in a positive light.
A person who goes to church does not mean that person is a good person. Look at the comment below from John Grigg.
Never think a person is good because he / she is going to church. Only god is good. Believe in God, but, don't believe in human, including:
Pastors, Bishops, Priests, Monks, Religious Leaders, etc... Because, they are human. Human makes mistakes. Human can do bad things.
Agreed, but that shouldn't be an excuse to not go to Church or try to join with like-minded others to make a difference in the world. "... by their fruits, you shall know them" is the key to seeing who and which groups are doing more than just talking or being hypocrites. True faith requires action. Thank you for comments and God bless.
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Beautiful building. I'm looking forward to seeing for myself.
Say what you want, this man gave wonderful advice and insights. Thank you CBS!
That man is telling impoverished people to pay 10% plus while he lives in gross luxury. He is a very good con artist.
@@lisapurplehayes Apostles do receive a living allowance (which is a very effective way for God to provide for them), but if you were to consider it "pay" it would be a huge pay cut from what they were earning in their professional lives. Like other members of the Church, they have donated countless hours of unpaid service and a lot in tithes and offerings before giving up their professions to serve God full-time. Meanwhile, impoverished members of the Church have access to free food and financial assistance for necessities in addition to self-reliance training and employment assistance, all from people who show direct care in their lives. There's nothing bad about any of that.
Great advice. David Bednar is a man of God. I look to him as a great example.
He is not a man of God.
That dude is creepy.
Explain
Uh-oh...CBS didn't disable the comments yet. LoL
Wow, this video triggered a lot of people in the great and spacious building.
> complaining about people in the great and spacious building
> literally defending a great and spacious building
Nobody's ever accused mormons of having self-awareness, that's for sure.
@@swagner7767 The difference is what people use the spacious buildings for.
I knew David. He is a prideful and unkind man. He is also very bigoted and dismissive of those a servant of Jesus should be loving and accepting of. This is religious money shown off in excess shrouded in pseudo-Christian hype.
💯 To everything you said
Sorry, but many others would contradict your negative description of David and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in these comments. No human being is perfect, including you, and it's clear you have an axe to grind, but attacking and bearing false witness will not remedy anything. I hope you find peace in your life.
@@Kimmer It is not false witness. I knew him when he was president of BYU-I; I know his family; I know others who have had long associations with him and I have been in his home. Arrogant and pharisaical man. Yes, a person may have faults, an alleged apostle of Jesus acting in his office cannot. David has demonstrated his arrogance and bigotry in his office.
@@joshua.snyder Sounds like you are the arrogant and pharisaical one filled with contempt and hatred for David and the Church. Hope you find peace brother.
@Gazelam Appreciate it! Thankfully I have it in abundance. May it be so for you too.
Thank you CBS. Wish my marriage could last forever.
Your marriage absolutely can! All are welcome to learn about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and you will be taught how this is available to you. God bless you Roger!
@@fishbig1020 Oh hey, thank you, I've been baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ when young and recently need to get back to regularly going to Sacrament Meeting and the other meetings. I was thinking of the future/something actually. Thank you still. #Ibelieve. God bless you too.
@Roger B ok great! I just didn't want to leave someone hanging who wanted to learn about eternal marriage because they were unfamiliar. Have a great day and may happiness be yours always!🙂
@@fishbig1020 Right on. Thanks, you too my sista/brotha
No thanks.
Does anyone else find this creepy? The voices, the weird tone of voice, the painful looking smiles?😬
What’s weird or creepy? What he’s saying sounds beautiful and a lot clearer than what most Christians teach. I love this!
@@benv7933 👎🏻🤣😂🤣👎🏻
It’s great to me :)
His wife just looks desperately sad. Like so frightened and sad. I watched without the sound and just observed her body language. 💔
Nails on a chalkboard board weird.
Just saw a post by a lovely exmormon woman who was recently divorced by her husband because she lost her faith. I think this highlights better than anything the toxic nature of the church.
If you don't read your scriptures and Jesus Christ isn't the center of your family than you have left yourself to the wolves. Marriage is hard work and so many weak people are getting married and now worse not getting married and cohabitating.
@@jesuschristlives2724
Irrationalist mumbo-jumbo.
There are married couples who are very close despite having some different faith perspectives. It's not like people have to (or even want to) divorce because of this. My Relief Society president's husband is not even a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He's a nice guy. She told me he is a big support to her as Relief Society president.
@Amanda Dangerfield - does the church have an official position on mixed faith marriages? They once did for mixed race marriages but apparently God changed his mind at some point.
If anyone is thinking about joining this institution, make sure you read the CES Letter or "Letter For My Wife" before you're baptized.
And then read the response to the CES Letter which answers any questions
@@AustinFaux i agree, definitely study any excuses offered by apologists. In fairness, the CES Letter includes apologist responses inline and covers those as well.
@@AustinFaux - not only are the responses to the CES letter laughably weak, the church completely ignored dealing with the questions at all till their hand was forced.
I think some of the most brutally enlightening deconstructions of Mormonisn are found in the MythVision podcasts. The history of the church is anything but divinely inspired. It's grifters and miscreants vying for power and to justify their base desires and misogyny.
@@williamcharles2117 But they did respond, and weak or not is opinion not fact.
Hmm. He should talk about how if his wife dies (or they get divorced), he can get sealed again to another woman, forcing his wife to have a polygamous heavenly marriage.
She could ask to be unsealed if they get divorced but she would then need to be sealed to another man if she hopes to make it to the top tier of heaven, no getting there on your own if you’re a woman. (Amd I wonder why he didn’t mention that there are multiple levels of heaven? 🤔)
There's no forcing anyone to do anything. God doesn't work that way. Everyone has a choice in this life and the next.
@tapir rider You are distorting the doctrine and beliefs of the Church whether ignorantly or purposefully. No sealing is valid if covenants are not kept, so God will be the judge - not any Church leader or you. And no woman or man will be forced to have an eternal marriage with someone they do not love.
Excellent. I just read about the unsealing if there is a just reason for the divorce.
@tapir rider Yes, you are distorting because a sealing is never imposed on anyone. Do you think God will impose a sealing or any other blessing on anyone who either doesn't want it or is unworthy? I think not!
@@SarahPriceHancock Did Emma have a choice? D&C 132 tells her she'll be DESTROYED if she doesn't accept it.
WOW.
As person who believes in Jesus, it's my personal relationship with him. He died on the cross for all.
Susan looks miserable
Your lack of any knowledge of her and her past shows how judgemental you can be. Even my statement there is judgemental but it is in response to your comment
Susan Bednar in her past was very socially awkward since she was born. Though she has improved she still feels uncomfortable around new people and it does show on occasion.
I have seriously tried to understand the mormans and their religion but I just can't. They are the most bizarre people I have ever talked to. I have really thought that they are just goofing on me. They can't be taking this seriously can they?
We take it very seriously. I encourage you to continue your study on the church. Talk to the missionaries they can answer all your questions.
What is so bizarre about the LDS faith to you ? I’m curious. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in a nutshell Proclaim to be the same church established by Jesus while he was on the earth. Complete with the Priesthood authority to act in God’s name.
Oh, they believe every word. The church leadership have the worst vibes.
It's easy to take seriously when you're born and indoctrinated into it. It's actually quite a comfortable life until you start seeing the truth and thinking for yourself. Remember the scene from the Matrix when Neo gets unplugged? It's kinda like that.
@@MichaelSmith-fq3pg ... Lots of people have converted to the Church in adulthood. I think a life of unbelief is the Matrix, or Dr. Strange before he humbles himself.
🙄 oversimplification of what makes a marriage work
Seriously? We’re doing Mormons this week? Ugh! 🤦🏽♀️.
Why not? Open your mind. Learn from each other.
Ah! A bigot!
We haven’t been called “Mormons” for a while now.
Would you mind explaining your hatred or you going to let us make up our own conclusions?
You have a pretty good life if that's the kind of thing that ruins your week.
Tell me this isn’t a cult
Why would you think it is a cult? When I think of a cult, I think of Jim Jones. (You may have to research a little to find out about him and his cult.) I find that cults are generally secretive, and it is difficult to get out once you are in. Cults seem to be small groups of people that isolate themselves from others. We worship God the Father and the Son Jesus Christ. So does every Christian church that I know of. Do you consider them cults as well?
Sure..this isn't a cult.
@@nrlondon7959 When I think of a cult I think of secret teachings, occult origins, hoarding of money, strange sexual rules, demonizing outside information, blood atonement, etc. etc. AKA Mormonism.
Can't. It's a transcendental belief system that is led by charismatic authoritarian (male) leaders, who wield undue influence and mind control over their members.
Tell us what you think "cult" means, and then feel free to learn about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Really. It's not hard.
I guess money can buy CBS microphone time.
Where was the journalist?
This is disturbing and creepy.
How so? Marriage lasting forever on the afterlife?
Weird
It was just aired today, but I highly recommend the Mormon Stories Podcast episode "From RFM to TBM Part 2" by people willing to examine the claims of Mormonism honestly. These people were former TBMs (True Believing Mormons) who taught and did extensive apologetics. I respect anyone who follows the facts wherever it leads. This is far more enlightening than this LDS sales pitch/puff piece.
wow..what a creepy cult-like borg. Why is this part of your program? Do Mormons own CBS now?
Your hatred is showing
Ma'am
Your hatred is showing
_in robotic monotone voice_
@allentown Gal you too will be assimilated adding your collective knowledge to the hive mind.
@@lewstone5430 🤣🤣🤣the tone of voice and lack of inflection is so creepy.
@@lisaw2778 you've gone out of your way, of your own free will and choice, to write this? You could communicate something positive, constructive or uplifting. This says more about your character than you realize. Be kind, pass it on.
They’re both 10/10 creepy
Suzanne screaming "help" with her eyes, since she isn't allowed to stand up before david.
ruclips.net/video/CPBsWbopjXU/видео.html
I thought I'd explain a little about how the Church views marriage:
"Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children...fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners" (The Family: A Proclamation to the World).
I should mention that the notion that "fathers and mothers are...equal partners" is extensively taught, expounded, and expanded upon frequently by church leaders. These include Apostles* like Elder Bednar, local leaders, and authorized and educated missionaries who deftly and accurately teach the doctrines of the Church.
*See current Church President Russell M. Nelson's address on this subject from April 2006 entitled "Nurturing marriage."
#FreeSusan
The older you are the more difficult it is to admit to yourself that the church and gospel you valued so dearly is false. Who wouldn’t want the promise of eternal life with your family. Sadly, as you exert even a particle of effort into looking behind the facade you realize the church in its entirety is unequivocally false. Review the CES letters, challenge the doctrine. The church says to stay away from non-church approved materials or resources, to doubt your doubts and to avoid those who speak negatively of the church. So don’t read from anything other than what we give you or talk to anyone we don’t approve. What does that sound like people? The truth has no reason to fear scrutiny. In addition they teach the value eternal family but disallow discussions about Heavenly mother under the guise it’s speculation. However they allow speculation on virtually every subject except heavenly mother, why?? Because women hold a lesser value in their eyes. What kind of eternity do you have sisters, one where you can make spiritual children but never speak with them and they can’t speak to you, or know about you, love you, talk about you? What kind of eternal existence is that. Meanwhile Heavenly Father is spoken to, about, with. All credit goes to him, women are nothing in the church. It’s hard, but you deserve the truth, and the LDS church does not contain it.
Women are nothing in the church? That's just a down right bald faced lie. They are everything in the Church. Clearly u don't know the role they play in this life. Or in the Church. Or at least don't understand it completely.
It sounds like some interaction has given you a bad taste in your mouth, and I am sorry for that. There are a few misstatements and misconstructions in your statement that maybe should be corrected.
Women are not worthless in the church. The first state senator (not national, but state) was a Utah woman who beat her husband in primary elections. The church celebrates Eve rather than condemns her. The authoritative doctrine on families (known in shorthand as the proclamation to the world) clearly indicates men and women are equal partners. Is this put into practice? Not all the time…we have a generally male dominant society and leadership styles are influenced by that. Those are incorrect, but most assuredly happen.
There is just not much know about heavenly mother so they discourage talks/lessons about it in order to prevent falsehoods from parading as official doctrine. Personal speculation is not disallowed formally by the church as a whole (local leaders may at times try to overstep their authority or misunderstand directions. People are people).
As for discouraging certain sources of information, the chief aim is to discourage people from going to sources that are flagrantly against the church. It would be like trying to learn about black history from a white supremacist group…the picture is going to be skewed, alarmist, and geared toward innacuracies. This is often shortened to “stick to church approved material” because (unless you are a skilled researcher) it can be difficult to sift through a group’s motives, source accuracy, skew, etc. and most people are not dedicated researchers…so a clear line is easier to follow and suggest. There is no reprimand or punishment for any source you choose to mire fully explore.
You sound almost as bitter as I am at times! But I think your wrong about the Church been entirely false.
There are many policies which to some are negative but to others very positive and visa versa but the Church has much good in it and does good ,for to deny that you are wilfully blind! However there are always going to be men in local priesthood that will misjudge and test ones patience and some of us are then pushed too far and fall over the cliff never to return. I'm one of them and perhaps you are too?
@@jiaswan22 it may come as a surprise but I didn't have any bad interactions while I was a member for 35 years. I really enjoyed the people I met in the church, still have many friends and family whom are still active members. So no, no big blowup or hurt feelings caused by another member. My departure from this church was strictly based on the doctrine and my unbiased/objective research into truth. I appreciate your comment because you identify a few really good things to note. You mention the fact that we have a male dominated society and that it influences leadership. Would you not expect that in the decades of church leadership, a loving Heavenly Father and the organization of his people would transcend social norms? If we are to believe he's in constant communication with the prophet, wouldn't he work to promote equality between his son's and daughter's? Additionally, I'm not sure it's fair comparing those who have differing views from the church to white supremacist . I would argue that those who have left were some of the most faithful members who wanted more than anything for the church to be true? When members (and I was one for 35 yrs) leave, they assume it was because they didn't do enough, or have enough faith, or wanted to sin. They fail to realize the incredible amount of sadness and hurt felt when one realizes the belief they held so dear unravels. You mention that the other sources are flagrantly against the church. Is your definition of "flagrantly against" anything inconsistent with the teachings of the LDS church? If people are too inept to read the information outside of the church, what makes you think they have the intellect to understand the sources within. I think that children of a loving God are very intelligent, but for some reason it really bothers members when they seek outside information. Members are taught that if what they read or learn is in anyway inconsistent with the teachings of the church, it is false. If they receive personal revelation that is inconsistent they need to pray again until they receive an answer consistent with the teachings. Can you see how that kind of direction is harmful? We're taught to never trust your own instinct. So people are people I agree. But if God is actively speaking with the prophet you would expect social norms to have little to no involvement, why should they? At the very least, if you look objectively at the timing of many revelations, they all coincide with changes in the social norms or pressure from outside.
@@Cyrusmagi I didn't say the church didn't have any good. I said it was false. Saying the church has much good is like saying there are many good people the world which there are but nobody is saying there isn't.
Mormons have always been the "kings of analogies"
Doesn´t make it even 1% more true though.....
Well, the purpose of an analogy is to help people understand the doctrine, which is true.
@@LotusInitiate72 I do realize that, my good man.
But just as the plural of anecdote isn't proof, the plural of analogy isn't either.
It's just another brick of nice and comforting words walling up the view of the truth.
@@peterjakobsen4715 yeah of course my mate. An analogy is used as a teaching tool. No one said it was to make a principal more true. A doctrine is either true or isn't true regardless of belief. I choose every day what the church teaches is true.
@@LotusInitiate72 That is totally up to you. I chose differently, but you should follow your own intuition.
@@peterjakobsen4715 I'm glad you feel the same. God sure does love you. Take care.
Happy Easter! Bednar actually had some nice points there, I just wish what he talked about was actually reminiscent of real temple sealings. I mean, until quite recently, women would swear to follow their husbands and men would swear to follow God, as if they were the middleman for a woman's salvation. It's really too bad how women are treated in the church. Now if Uchdorf had talked instead, I'd believe him a bit more. Bednar is just...creepy.
Just want to share something’s I’ve learned From Alonzo Gaskill - author on temple symbolism. 🤗🤗
He covers the practice you mentioned in His book and how Anciently, this was done symbolically.
In the Adam and Eve story, there are times when Eve could symbolize “The people” or the spirit children of God on Earth. And Adam could symbolize Christ.
Example: Eve partakes of the fruit and is forever separated from Gods presence (Eve could = Gods Children) , Adam/(Christ) chooses to partake of the fruit, seeing that if he/(Christ) didn’t , Eve(the people) would be forever alone.
In the The temple Sealing we represent Adam and Eve.
Husbands and Wife’s or Eve/Gods Children/, Covent through Christ or “Adam” to return to Gods Presence. ✨🙏🏼.
My personal belief is that this symbolism was not being understood (that through Christ we make eternal convents) due to our modern culture or lack of education, So they simplified the wording of the sealing.
The author Alonzo Gaskill has been a HUGE blessing in my life! Has opened my eyes to how EVERYTHING in the temple truly does point to Christ 🤍🤍.
Wishing you all the best 🤗 Happy Easter!
"...women would swear to follow their husbands and men would swear to follow God, as if they were the middleman for a woman's salvation." Good thing that has changed.
I find your distortion of Church beliefs to be creepy. Eternal marriage has always been an opportunity, not a guarantee, as Elder Bernard stated, and depends on keeping of sacred covenants/promises by both the man and woman. Nothing has changed here doctrinally. As stated in the New Testament, the husband has the responsibility to be the priesthood leader in his family, but the wife is his co-equal as taught by the Church. A few noisy women protesters doesn't change the fact that most women in the LDS Church are happy and understand their prominent roles in their families and the Church.
Women in Utah Territory received voting rights before women in most other places in the United States. To this day, priesthood holders are taught to treat God's daughters with chivalrous respect.
@@dobbysboggart6883 Well duh, when priesthood leaders were _required_ to have multiple wives, that led to an exodus of mormon boys and men (a practice continued by the FLDS), so the church _had_ to allow women to vote if they wanted to maintain their stranglehold on the state,
The church of Joseph Smith of Latter Day Swindle
What about all the harm the Mormons have caused? I do love their musical though
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints blesses countless lives around the world continually. So many lives have been made better because of the teachings of prophets and apostles of the restored Church of Jesus Christ. Please try to look at the blessings that have come into millions of lives because of the organization.
@@nahtanojization cults are dangerous 😕
What harm? The Mountain Meadows Massacre was an isolated incident, and Brigham Young tried to prevent it. And the LDS Church is NOT affiliated with modern polygamists.
@@frankbombaci4977 please explain what a cult is.
@@frankbombaci4977 What do you mean when you use the word "cult", and how does it apply to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? What do you actually know about the Church? You really should learn something about it so that you can know of the good God does through it.
Each of you covenant to give everything with which you have been and will be blessed, even your very lives to the Mormon church, aka the kingdom of god on this earth, now bow your heads and say “yes”. 😉😉
Those who mock God will not be held guiltless. That would be you. A person is free to worship how they choose. It is sad you have a problem with free will.
@@derrickcox7761 don’t conflate the two. God and your particular brand of religion are not one and the same. Hope you learn that one day when you’ve given up the notion that you need secret handshakes, signs, tokens and passwords to enter into his presence. Oh and let’s not forget the 10% requirement to enter your temple. How utterly juvenile and gullible.
Fools mock...but they shall mourn....
@@rdancranston is that all you’ve got. Empty threats. Here’s an empty threat for you. If you EVER leave the mormon church, or stop following them blindly then you will lose your family forever and you will be in Satan’s power. The devil himself tells you that “you will be I’m my power” right in your precious temple ceremony. Think about it. It’s the most emphatic threat made in the entire temple ceremony. Seems to me that the devil has a vested interest in you remaining Mormon.
Such misguided people. I pray that they leave an institution made by a false prophet.
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Joseph Smith was a true prophet. Pray for your own understanding.
@@dobbysboggart6883 or READ for an accurate history. No Man Knows My History (Joseph Smith's biography) by Fawn Brody is excellent.
@@thelastgoonie6555 ... To understand Harry Potter's life, I wouldn't use Rita Skeeter as a source.
@@thelastgoonie6555 Fawn Brody's work is outdated and inadequate, to say the least. History has come a long way since that book was published.
Wow Nice
Anyone with an ounce of objectivity looks at these people and is astonished that there are millions of human beings around the world that think this is real. These people are insane. But I guess that’s what happens when your entire religion is based on some teenage con-artist who “found” plates that only he was qualified to interpret. And among the laws that he was able to decipher was having as many wives as you want regardless of whether those wives were teenagers or even consented.
The Mormon religion breaks my heart more than any individual/institution in recent memory. Why do I say that? Bc people believing this predatorial nonsense indicates just how little we have progressed as a society/culture.
And we will always love you and respect your opinions :)
And then you have the Catholic church, wherein adherents partake of the (literal) flesh of Christ and the (literal) blood of Christ. Any way you slice the wafers, that is cannibalism. MMMM, savory! Not to mention that "heretics" who took the slightly more sane position that communion is merely a symbolic snack were routinely tortured and killed by the cannibalistic "establishment" Catholics. Sounds pretty culty to me.
The abundant and inaccurate claims in this comment are quite comical. Considering that the teachings of this church has prompted countless numbers of individuals to become more honest and caring, stating that the “little progression” the members of that church has made tells me you may not realize it’s important to care for others, or even make an effort to care for people other than yourself. Even if my previous statement is inaccurate, at least make an effort to understand what sacrifices these people undergo to be their best possible selves.
Yes, I respect that opinion. I will continue to happily believe it is the word of God :) love to you tapir!
@tapir rider My love for you is no delusion. How dare you sir.
Wonderful
Jesus fulfilled the law with his sacrifice--when complete the veil in the temple was torn top to bottom. That was not temporary. Mormons blaspheme the name of Christ every time they build a temple and hang a veils in it. They are NOT Christian.
Anyone can clearly see you are a Christian from your exemplary and intelligent responses LOL!
Repent, follower of Christ
@@Kimmer Not an argument...try again.
@@thelastgoonie6555 You must be a BOT - you try again LOL!
@@Kimmer Yawn...Kim's weak fallback insult when he can't refute something. The absence of critical thought makes a good mormon boy.
Yuk! Bednar creeps me out! Lots of the “hierarchy” does.
I love Mormon marriages because they last forever even past death
And it allows a man to marry MANY women! Sorry girls...you can only have one man.
An American cult
Define "cult".
@@derrickcox7761 a system of religious beliefs and ritual.
@@georgiasbush7158 So 90 percent of the world is cults? Why single out the LDS?
@@derrickcox7761 I didn't, CBS did. Did I hurt your feelings? Are you a mormon?
@@georgiasbush7158 are you mocking again? why? You are the one who responded with negativity to CBS informing people about a temple. You did single it out by calling it a cult intending to be derogatory about it. Are you going to lie and say this not so? What is your exact problem with the church? Did an LDS girl reject you? Are you bitter in general? Why even bother commenting?
and to think that Jesus said there is not going to be the institution of marriage in Heaven ... but we will all be like the angels who do not marry.
If you take His Name you must play His game ...
Adam and Eve were married by God before death even came into the world and he said it is not good for man to be alone... Jesus was talking to particular people who had marriages by man, but not by His authority.
Shut them all down.
False Prophets
False profile
Scriptures govern the church (see overview of D & C 42), what books in scriptures do you have problem with? By their fruits, truth is made know; new scripture is tangible proof of divinity of the plan of salvation and plan of happiness; what is your book that you live by? What human leaders do you follow? Peter was human leader of church for 30 years and there is human leader of church today. Matthew 10: 40, reject Peter and Paul and that is how a person will be treated by the heavens.
True prophets and apostles
@@christopherjones2669 I suppose you consider the Book of Abraham scripture?
@@thelastgoonie6555 We do. Anything that is spoken or written by the spirit and power of God is scripture. (see the epistles of Peter) The Bible was not compiled as we know it until the 5th century. Some books were lost, as is made clear in some of the books of the Bible themselves. Actually some epistles, such as John's books were written after he left the isle of Patmos...where he wrote Revelation.
text book cult
There it is. Who had "cult" for anti Mormon bingo. I was just waiting for it!
The only difference between Mormonism and Scientology is that Scientology lacks the facade of respectability that Mormonism has. If Scientology was as old as Mormonism and was under the umbrella of Christianity the two would be seen as equally legitimate.
Totally not a cult.....
I once went to the temple in Utah with my mom and immediately two men started following us around, engaged us in conversation and tried to convince us not to go to Reno, where my brother lived. I felt so unsafe. I don't know if this was standard procedure to approach visitors this way or what, but it was very creepy.
Sorry you had that experience.
No, that's not standard practice nor is it standard for people to follow people around on the grounds to encourage them NOT to visit family... family is everything to members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...if anything real members would be encouraging you to enjoy as much time as possible with your family. 😉
That's definitely not standard procedure. I've never seen anyone just wandering around the grounds of a temple like that, talking to people (other than the one in downtown Salt Lake that gets lots of tourists outside). That's super odd and I'm sorry it happened to you!
This sounds made up. There is an LDS temple in Reno...why would anyone tell you not to go there?
@@derrickcox7761 No, this did happened to us.
@@dianeyoung8068 Maybe it did, however, missionaries are trained in cultural and personal respect, before they are sent into the field. You didn't give any context that would make sense of this. The two men could have been anyone, including anti-LDS posing as missionaries. This does happen...however telling someone not to go to a particular city is disengenious. There are many LDS and wards in Reno. It makes no sense.
Industrial level irrationalism built on a foundation of lies.
That’s all the marriage advice you could ever need? Wrong.
It's a pretty good rule of thumb.
you better do your homework! None of what you just wrote is true. We don't pay our way in to the temple. Paying tithes is just one of 14 requirements to receive a recommend . Why are you so concerned about it anyway? you don't believe in our church, so move on!
That sounds so manipulative to people who don't understand
And uber manipulative to those who do!
So your human works guarantee you for eternity? What a lie. You did not create eternity. God did. You cannot "seal" yourself. It is a vain pursuit to earn a covenant. God created the covenant for His glory, not for man's. How dare you seek for your own glorification. Jesus paid the price for your sin. He deserves the glory, not you!
Ok ,, you with these horrid comments,, what do you believe? how would you feel if we said this about you and your institution? not good huh??
How do you feel about the New Testament teaching God does not dwell in buildings built by human hands? Or that the veil was rent down the middle by Christ's passion on the cross? Your temple denies Christ's work by bringing back a barrier between man and God. You only grant access to people who pay a minimum percentage of their income on top of that! These are YOUR teachings. Own it.
@@thelastgoonie6555 Temples have been around from the time of Adam. They are pathways, not barriers, as you falsely claim. Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things which are God's. In Jeremiah, The Lord says, bring ye all the tiths into the storehouse...will ye rob God?. Your private interpretations of the scriptures, are not God's meaning. You serve only yourself with your wickedness.
@@derrickcox7761 Typical cherry picking from the OT when it serves Mormonism. You don't understand the difference between New and Old. Christ fulfilled the law. You practice a dead doctrine of WORKS.
@@thelastgoonie6555 The law of Moses, which was a lower law serving to bring Israel unto Christ. The full gospel was given to Abraham, but Judah and part of the tribe of Benjamin rebelled after being delivered from Egypt. They were given the Law of Moses instead. This law was fulfilled when Christ began his ministry of teaching the full gospel. However, Peter said the gospel would be lost once again until the times of refreshing, and God would restore it in full in the latter days.
@@thelastgoonie6555 I guess all those huge Catholic churches are out too then, huh? you better go attack them too!
For reals, so good
Who the frick has the best imaginary friend? 😒
He gets to do all the talking. Hmm
That's a very start. It appears that this man is shoving his life into position in order to improve the quality of a photo op!
Happy zombie Jesus day, weirdos.
By definition, how can something that two billion people believe in (the resurrection of Christ) be "weird"?
@@christopherrandallnicholson coming back from the dead is weird. Believing it without evidence is weirder... if you're not brainwashed.
@@oogrooq it is going to be a super weird and awkward day when you resurrect then
@@oogrooq So you think two billion people are brainwashed. I'm not saying they're correct because of their numbers, of course, but I am saying you're phenomenally arrogant to presume that two billion peole who disagree with you are "weirdos" or "brainwashed." Weirdness is relative, so if anything, atheists are weird ones because there are much fewer of them.
God is never born and God is never die. You can't touch, you can't see, and you can't prove. But, you can feel it and you can believe it. That is up to you !!!
Not according to Mormonism's alien god! They teach God was a human on another planet who progressed to godhood which is the same way they will obtain their own glory. Just blasphemous...ugh.
@@thelastgoonie6555 So goonies would spread lies and half truths?
@@derrickcox7761 Pray tell Derrick...what's the half truth there?
1 Jesus with too many different churches. 1 Buddha with too many different temples. 1 Muhammad with too many different mosques.
Each country has too many different religions. Religion is something can't see, can't touch, can't prove.
Each person on this earth look up in the sky, they can see the sky. This earth has about 7.8 bil people around the world with more than 200 countries.
The sky is the only thing this 7.8 bil people can see the same. What do we see in the sky ??? God ??? The same god that 7.8 bil people can see and can prove.
At least in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints we claim that anyone can know the truth of all things if they seek it out and follow the Holy Ghost. The last chapter in the Book of Mormon gives a promise to that effect. If you are interested, you can search "Promises of the Book of Mormon" on the Internet. Essentially, it is incumbent upon us to learn the truth. Thank you for sharing your comment. I certainly undrestand.
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On this day that many observe with hope and love, I wish you enlightenment and peace.
Respectfully, this all sounds beautiful but considering how women treated in their religion and official organization, this idea of how important she is falls short of their message. And the women born and/or raised into this, don't realize they are being devalued as they enter into marriage.
Utah Territory was ahead of most of the United States in women's suffrage. To this day, men in the Church are taught to love their wives, and to place their wives' needs above their own. BYU has plenty of female students and faculty. So, what mistreatment could you possibly be referring to?
@@dobbysboggart6883 "So, what mistreatment could you possibly be referring to?" Well, forcing young girls to marry middle-aged men by holding their families' "exaltation" hostage, for starters: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Mar_Kimball
@@swagner7767 ... Helen Mar Kimball entered that sealing of her own free will. And it was only a sealing for the afterlife -- she wasn't so much as touched inappropriately. And, after the sealing, she went on to marry Newel K. Whitney's son, have a happy life, and support plural marriage.