When Mark sits up, a tiny person is in the bottle on the table. When it falls on the table, you see the person wearing a white shirt and dark-colored pants. Maybe that's an outie, Mark. Pause at 4:34 to get a good view.
@@ladygrim7658 Such a good catch! (However, you are describing and INNIE, the outie is the pyjama one) I hope others read this comment! The bottle and pills are Lumon products, perhaps to forget Gemma, since the wedding pic is also on the table.I'd like to know who's pulling the chair; himslef or another severed floor employee? Anyhow he's figured a way to access the innie outside and perhaps vice-versa, if he's waking up in the office
I haven't yet seen the third ep... but what if Mark in reality knows his wife is (barely) alive and he started working this job in order to "heal" her but can't say anything to his friends and family for some reason. That's why he's reluctant to admit to his sister his wife might be alive, and that's why the Lumon people need him to finish the cold harbor case. It would make sense that he has to be involved in this healing process since he knows her best. It would also make sense why Corbel let his wife work with him (probably to see if there's progress with her mind healing), and why Milchick questioned this.
@@GeomorgusNihili highly unlikey. his grief and depression was two deep, for two years, to have a clue she was alive. and why Lumon are using her is well... for Lumon's purposes. They collected an accidented body to test on to advance their tek. No humanists in this company. She IS alive BTW (confirmed). We had to be, or else who were WE seeing? there are no clones in this show. She touched people, she was not an hologram. It was just a matter of outie Mark finding this out to make a total shift in his behavior and seek reintegration
@@Svobodastical golf in Europe, rabbit in the states. I’ll have to go back and watch older episodes, but I’m pretty sure Cobel’s has the westmoreland front end. This one has the European style front end that was only in the US for a couple of years. Which is just a silly continuity error for nerds like me.
Interesting. my theory from last season was that Helena caused the accident because of the “icy road” comment. But maybe Cobel caused the accident. Every time we’ve seen her in that car she drives very reckless.
The red PJs are key here. It represents how sleeping as an innie allows you to connect with your outie self. It is why J T character is painting the elevator door. He connected his 2 selves by nodding off in season one.
Red PJs means it’s outtie Mark asleep at home - Innie Mark always wears a suit obviously, tho it’s all metaphors and dreamy states of unconscious/semi-consciousness 😏@@McShaganpronouncedShaegen
This theory blew my mind. I always wondered how Irving smuggled information out. THIS MUST BE HOW. The lists, map, etc.. were taken from his innie through his brain while unconscious. That's why he stays up late at night. So he occasionally falls asleep during the day. I'm not exactly sure how to put it together yet. However, it makes sense (as much as anything can in this show). Irving is no doubt an activist/spy/plant of some sort (seems like it has something to do with the article we see about a man filing a lawsuit against Lumen). I've seen others surmise he's part of law enforcement. I disagree but won't rule anything out. Thank you for posting this theory. I find Irv to be such a fascinating character.
@@firesnakex8 Kind of, but it would also be good writing if people managed to correctly piece it together. Remember when people predicted what was going on in Westworld, and then the writers changed it and made it completely nonsensical?
@@ninjatoriumnova2483 For the love of pete, what was so ''nonsensical'' about westworld? Season 1 was perfect, season 2 was great too, and everything was super clear in both seasons.? Maybe YOU don't remember all the reveals and answers?
Ahhhh thank you, I could not make that out and it was bugging me. I think it's because the shirtsleeves looked like reflections on the exterior of the bottle. But once I read your comment, I can't unsee the shirtsleeves and hanging arms.
I think the cloning theory & bringing back Kier are correct and related. I think Lumon is trying to resurrect people by making clones who start off as babies but grow exponentially. And the refining is taking the old person’s memories and implanting them in the clones. I think they did that with Gemma/Ms. Casey as a test run for Kier. So, in other words, Gemma died IRL. Lumon cloned her, she physically started as a baby but grew to adult size quickly, but still the mind of a child (kinda how like the severed people are). Mark is important because he’s refining her memories since he knew her best to get her brain caught up where it was when she died. If it works, Lumon will do the same with Kier. That’s why Kier is a baby crawling in front of Mark in the intro and there’s all the babies in suits near him. I think Lumon is also experimenting with Graner which is why at the beginning of episode 1, there’s the mysterious man in the hallway staring at Mark when he goes to the now empty Wellness. That’s a young, cloned Graner (not yet physically mature to what we’re used to) resurrected after Regabhi killed him. That could also explain Miss Huang’s youth. Either that, or the show is great and has me going nuts! 😂
that would explain why Cobel is so interested in Mark and Gemma: her mother died and she is hoping to have her cloned once the testing process is successful. That's why she tries to ensure its success by getting close to Mark, but I don't yet get why or how exactly
Going further: I think Mark is refining Gemma’s memories. Helly/Helena Kier’s memories. Irv his father’s memories… just don’t know who Dylan G. is refining yet.
And not to keep piggybacking off my own post here, but it would also tie into the latin motto: Remedium Hominibus, “A cure for mankind.” Providing a cure to end mankind’s greatest illness… death. (Unless, of course, mankind IS the illness that needs to be cured? Man, I love this show!)
I don't think it's that at all..... I see it as the handle split in two. Innie and outtie Irving using the same cup. It's keeping w the theme. Two of everything.
It would be bad writing if Cobel is related to Mark because she did't care about Mark's biological sister. Even dumped the baby while looking after it.
Makes me wonder if Mark will be able to switch or combine with his innie personality or will have to eventually chose to save his innie personality and sacrifice his self
The part I’m most focused on is outie Mark being surgically removed from his own head. Definitely tells you that Mark will reintegrate. From an inside look on ep 1 on TV+, which is no longer there, we see a clip of Mark’s clothing shifting between a suit and causal. With Mark himself waking up on the same table Helly did. Adam Scott narrating over it: “Both Innie Mark and Outie Mark are on a collision course with each other, and I’m not sure that they can both get what they want.”
I think the baby motif is related to the cloning/resurrection aspect (even though that's still just a theory) rather than representing the mindset of newly severed people. Ms. Huang is in a child's body but has adult responsibilities of being a supervisor. Could she be an early cloning attempt? Yes, I know she's playing with a toy and also references being a crossing guard, but she's also the person they entrusted (at least initially) to watch over the very valuable Mark S., so there must have been something special about her. Even though they only had 48 hrs, they would have shuffled folks around if they didn't think she was up to it. So I think she's some sort of iteration for what they want to create...Kier's children
4:29 I think they're bottles of coffee on the desk. Signifying that Mark is trying to keep himself awake much like Irving did in S1. To help with the integration process in staying awake during your outie hours to help transfer information to your subconscious self.
I like that idea but I was thinking that maybe it’s not coffee but instead it’s something to help with the reintegration process? Could also explain the pills.
@@oliviaallen2199 there's that too. Outie Irving was drinking copious amounts of coffee when he was in his apartment. And I wager he's working for the CIA/FBI as a double agent. He's a veteran of the Armed Forces. So he may have been contacted by Federal officials to be a mole inside Lumon. Would help explain why he was in the phone booth whispering "My innie got the message."
I always thought Cobel was obsessed with Mark in order to see if his innie remembers Miss Casey. She has a loved one she may want to clone or whatever Lumon does.
This was excellent!!!! Although i wish i hadn't accidentally glimpsed that shot from the trailer of some people going OUTSIDE?! on a mountaintop???? This was such a great breakdown!!!
At 6:05, I think it's still innies not outies exploring the frozen land (although its not inside the building) because they are all wearing same black colored clothes
I completely agree. I think it would be too much to believe the outies all find each other, discuss Lumen, how they're connected and go off together on some sort of mission. Especially since Helena is actively trying to keep this type of thing from happening. My husband pointed out there's an entire House (waffle party) inside Lumen. So, who knows what's going on in the basement or tunnels that lead elsewhere. Not sure why it looks like a vast amount of land. But, I'm fully on board with the fact these are innies and not outies.
I'm thinking the elevator arrow colors indicate whether the rider will be severed or not (red means "severing enabled"). Note that when Helena goes down at the end of S2E2, the arrow goes out of frame right before it would light up, hiding that it was green.
The 2nd opening is even crazier than season one and that was a surprise to see as well!!!! I absolutely love how much surprising and mysterious and symbolic imagery this has.I don't want to see any theories personally, so I'm not gonna watch this.But I love figuring it out myself as the show goes on.I can't wait to see the opening again next week!!!!!
Watching the season 2 trailer (the one with the goats), I noticed a lot of things that make me believe that Mark is going get reintegrated (standing in the break room hallway wearing outie clothes, the sine wave graph going from one to two lines). The opening just confirmed it for me. Season 1, red pajamas Mark and suit Mark are separated or keep stumbling into each other or even getting trapped by the other. They're panicked and confused in the halls of Lumon. In this opening, Mark doesn't start by walking into Lumon, but by taking an expedition into his own brain to find something. He finds suit mark, and they keep bumping into each other and actively trying to reach out or help before getting ripped away (on the book one side is suit mark holding red mark, and the other is red mark holding suit mark).
One of the things I noticed in the sequence is in the "grass/book sequence" as the camera pulled back and you see balloon heads of Helly on the one side and of Gemma on the mirror side. BUT the Mark with the Helly balloons is the orange clad "outtie" Mark and the one with the Gemma balloons is the "Innie" Mark. it seems like a hint that the outie Mark interacts with Helly/Helena at some point more than they did in season 1 when she told him off in the parking lot.
Nearest I could tell, it seems they’ve specifically obscured the red arrow that shows up in the elevator zoom shot where it flashes between Helly and Ms Casey - so they know people are going to be looking at this with a fine-toothed comb 😂
5:08 The headless bodies are on all fours on the grass, just like the goats grazing. I think the heads there represent refined data that the goats are grazing on. Perhaps the goats are used as a living, organic place to store refined data until it’s needed.
5:22 this green field place looks a lot like the place where we see the innies with the goats in the trailer signifying that they are actually in the innie world which makes sense why the elevator is pointing up
My guess is the accident that “killed” Gemma happened during a snowstorm, so snow is embedded in marks/gemma’s subconscious. Cobel is involved somehow too as it’s her car in the water in the new opening scene… Did Cobel cause the accident? Is that scene them trying to find the location?
I was thinking the bottles were reintegration fluid bc we know that we will see Reghabi again this season and its kind of been hinted that he will reintegrate, but then the person inside the bottle when you slowed it down totally convinces me that it IS how they store humans on the test floor
When Mark grabs onto the balloon, just before the balloon reaches under the table, inflating the resting head, there's a car half submerged in the water. I wonder if this has something to do with Gemma's car? Perhaps she actually crashed into a frozen lake, and Lumon recovered her body and placed a fake Gemma body in a burnt out car, crashed into a tree? Hmm... me thinks.
someone is having to choose between life and death and is so wrecked with guilt over the reason they are having to choose and this is all about that moment in time frozen and the decision is made. the rest is all subconscious stuff in their mind and the different forces pulling them in 2 directions. What kind of baby will this be. Can I love it? Can I make the time it needs?
This might be a reach but the mystery liquid looks like the vial that's in S1E3 during the Hall of Perpetuity scene when the recording of Kier is talking about the 4 Tempers and it cuts to a small vial on a scale balanced with some kind of metal weight. Not sure what that signifies but did just notice that vial for the first time on a recent rewatch!
I really think that the baby theme is alluding to them creating people. There's so much religious imagery relating to seeing Keir as a god in the show and how Lumin as a corporation has expanding into everything from pharmaceuticals to news papers and residential neighborhoods, add that with all the baby stuff, how petey said there are people that don't get to leave down there and how he marked on his map houses where people might be living, and how the guy feeding the baby goats in s1 kept yelling "they're not ready yet!!". Whether or not it's cloning, breeding, or reprogramming, it really feels like they might be secretly raising people as livestock to form their own Lumin branded Keir worshipping society
To understand the intros you need to understand Jung. The shadow, the physical plane, the mental plane, the personas, the idea of the self and higher self, the goat in the head, the gateway process, all is mind.
Cobel being related to kier is great theory But cobel related to mark is a big turn off, she treated him harshly and if that’s the direction it’s going, i probably wont be surprised but more of ugh no instead
I heard on another channel that Irv is using his watch to communicate between his innie and outie. Using his knowledge from his time in the Navy and its use of flags to communicate over distance. Using semaphore.
I just found something i havent seen mentioned yet while rewatching. I dont remember what page but they were trying to figure out what corridor Irving was painting with the upside down triangle. Its the elevator to the testing floor.
I took the heavy use of white/red/blue as a hint that there are actually 3 severed personalities. Blue/Red being the innie and outie, while white is what's left.... faceless, undefined, manipulated, afraid.
there was also a couple of ms casey/gemma vs helly. versus not really the right word. like in the book the innie-mark are with ms. casey/gemma balloon heads and the outie mark is with helly balloon heads, and then the flickering shot between both of them in the lift at the end. especially after milchick's comment that "your innie has found love" (putting aside he was probably just also using that as a way to get mark to come back to work) i think these things in the intro symbolise that innie and outie mark could have conflict about the two women each of them have feelings for. and maybe even more importantly, that they DONT have feelings for. outie-mark has never met helly. innie-mark has no idea he was married or who gemma is. so both women hold huge significance for one side of him and zero for that same side. (presuming also that outie mark does learn that gemma is alive, which seems almost certain)
@@jamesbuckley8917Yeah but he also said he never felt anything with her innie version. Outtie Mark got flipped off by Helena in the parking lot though 😂
I think our inies perception of time might be off. They might believe they're experiencing a full day, but in reality, they're being put to sleep midday. During that time, something else happens that they're unaware of before they wake up and go home.
One other clue in the testing floor elevator sequence, marks shadow is approaching the elevator door with the up arrow from below, indicating a lower level underneath the testing floor
i absolutely believe a lot of the mark content in this intro is teasing his potential reintegration. reghabi mentioned some kind of post-op procedures petey didn't follow, potentially explaining both the goo he seems to be either eating/drinking as well as the pills? we see her in the trailer, we also see what appears to be mark in his outie's sweater from episode two exploring the testing elevator's hallway, as well as mark's innie pulling the chip out containing the outie, as if to reunite them? then there's the innie carrying the outtie past the metaphorical 'wall' between their consciousnesses? who knows, we're two episodes in but i'm really hoping for this theory, because i want to see what happens when it WORKS, because i think mark would at least try to cooperate just to continue to deepen his understanding!
mark is important to lumen as his wife froze to death after the car accident. i think kiers body is frozen and they are trying to bring him back so gemma is the perfect test subject.
Yeah....unfortunately that was my very first thought too!!! I really hope that's not true and the Severance team are beyond using such cheap thievery SLOP!!!
Yeah this season the intro does have more parts that look ai. Even though I’m against it’s misuse too, like really you should always have to program and train it with your own images and video. It’s totally wrong they already trained it on everyone’s data and now have just changed all user agreements. All that aside if you’re able to have a lucid dream and start observing around in your dreams, you’ll notice things do look a little off just like ai videos. Kinda scary how close honestly.
Yes! She certainly has some rage that could be applied to the road. Might explain her baking cookies and watching over mark. Her subconscious is guilty. Also supports her being severed. Maybe the severed part of cobel is a form of kiers consciousness that was successful? Explains why she knows so much. I dunno.
Yes. I think she killed her daughter-in-law and 'farmed' her son Mark for his trauma so that they could all help Lumon achieve its sole mission to reanimate Kier. Cobel could also be Helena's aunt.
I think the intro is all about Mark's integration sickness like Petey in the first season. And that the cloned Kier that they are working on will be a baby that Ms. Casey is carrying.
My theory is that, based on the imagery in the introduction and various theories, the story might revolve around injecting human consciousness or personalities into goats. At 5:12, you can clearly see faces reflected on the grass, resembling the animals we saw in Season 1. Maybe it is a test for bigger project?.. I’m not entirely sure where that would lead the narrative, but considering what we know so far, it seems to make sense as a potential direction.
I think the goals are the source materials to produce human clones, together with some mother cells or some kind of memory data that Mark's department store from the sequences of numbers that they store. Could the date be DNA sequencing?
What if everyone is cloned. The clones live a regular boring life and get severed to work while the real versions live a care free life outside of the town, while reaping the benefits of their clones work.
Maybe Cobel knew/knows someone that is perma-severed like Gemma (presumably) is. That could be why she's so interested in Mark S and Ms. Casey and whether they remember each other- she could have someone whom she wishes remembered her. Her motives seem too personal to just be of interest to Lumon
3:36 The way this image changes is similar to how scientists tried to "save" human visuals, resulting in blurry depictions of reality. You can search for "Movie reconstruction from human brain activity" to see what I mean. Similar to how Irve might try to plant memories into his subconscious or sees memories of the floor.
Something from the trailer is driving me insane! Can someone please please speculate about what does Mr. Drummond mean 0:09 when he says to (milkshake?) on the trailer “your work will be remembered as one of of the greatest moments in this planet” What can be so important? It’s actually making me question if we are on the right track with the clones
Maybe the brown liquid is the BAD SOAP! Haha jk, but that was admittedly the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that since it's a running joke in our household, as I'm constantly threatening to bring out the bad soap when the innies misbehave.
CLONING was debunked by the cast during a recent interview' where they discussed fan theories; but the goats ARE super important. With respect to the into, take the part that mimics season 1, where Mark (outie) falls into half of his head and strats working as his innie.. Here, the head CLOSES, then turns into a goat, which itself is taken away by Lumon employee. The fact that it's a painting may point to OD, but more on point is that a person undergoes transformation and end up a goat: big points for the theory that would have conciousnesses go into goats. Other speculation: from the first to 2nd intro, the Mark piloting the head is now the OUTIE. As you mentionned with brass instruments, the half head is white like what comes out of the printer, So if a consiousness is rebuilt then put into a goat, it requires imput from the outside to be finished; I think the goats are temporary vessels as a conciousness re-learns to see the world and interact under the care and security of Lumon (the field with a sheppard) until Lumon is ready to make the leaps to tranfer them into humans (the ULTIMATE goal). As severed people can have children without remembering, Lumon can then transfer what was in the goats until now into the babies, or the persons at any age (maybe Ms Huang is such a child, and it would make sense of all the faceless babies)? Anyhow, maybe Cobel is shown as who sheds a light over this (she's been there all this time and is angry now)? The car represents the one accident, but maybe the broader theme of accidents , goal being selling counsiousness tranfer to people at large (that effort can't just be for Kier, and remember, Lumon is a cure for Mankind!) Wow! Back to the book, maybe Ricken (who we know wrote a new book from episode 1 newspaper) helps sell a story that women will buy and end up (probably unwittingly or who cares? willngly, as some give organs) giving babies to Lumon? As for inside the severed floor dynamics, I wonder why Mark falls into Irv's mug, which looks like brass knucles: will he be a big instrument of change? I'm dying to see what these flashes of Gemma and Helly (sometimes as heads on the ground) really mean for the story and if Mark becomes unsevered (mamy clues point to the innie running the show and saving the outie)? Thanks for video : ) PS: sorry for types
The wildest theory I've heard so far is that Patricia is Adam's mom, and that Patricia is an illegitimate child of someone from Lumon Industries, maybe explaining why Britt was so perplexed by her and Adam kissing?
anyone else notice balloon heads of helly and ms casey on either sides of the book that cobel is holding? i also don’t believe that’s necessarily supposed to be cobel- more-so just a representative for lumon constantly looming (lol) over mark
The outie teaming together?! idk, it just doesnt sit with me, i think they were the innies going somewhere outside or could just be another weird lumon room.
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When Mark sits up, a tiny person is in the bottle on the table. When it falls on the table, you see the person wearing a white shirt and dark-colored pants. Maybe that's an outie, Mark. Pause at 4:34 to get a good view.
@@ladygrim7658 Such a good catch! (However, you are describing and INNIE, the outie is the pyjama one) I hope others read this comment! The bottle and pills are Lumon products, perhaps to forget Gemma, since the wedding pic is also on the table.I'd like to know who's pulling the chair; himslef or another severed floor employee? Anyhow he's figured a way to access the innie outside and perhaps vice-versa, if he's waking up in the office
I haven't yet seen the third ep... but what if Mark in reality knows his wife is (barely) alive and he started working this job in order to "heal" her but can't say anything to his friends and family for some reason. That's why he's reluctant to admit to his sister his wife might be alive, and that's why the Lumon people need him to finish the cold harbor case. It would make sense that he has to be involved in this healing process since he knows her best. It would also make sense why Corbel let his wife work with him (probably to see if there's progress with her mind healing), and why Milchick questioned this.
@@GeomorgusNihili highly unlikey. his grief and depression was two deep, for two years, to have a clue she was alive. and why Lumon are using her is well... for Lumon's purposes. They collected an accidented body to test on to advance their tek. No humanists in this company. She IS alive BTW (confirmed). We had to be, or else who were WE seeing? there are no clones in this show. She touched people, she was not an hologram. It was just a matter of outie Mark finding this out to make a total shift in his behavior and seek reintegration
The car in the water is a Volkswagen Rabbit, which is what Cobel drives.
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It is a golf mk1
@@Svobodastical golf in Europe, rabbit in the states.
I’ll have to go back and watch older episodes, but I’m pretty sure Cobel’s has the westmoreland front end. This one has the European style front end that was only in the US for a couple of years.
Which is just a silly continuity error for nerds like me.
A white rabbit, i.e. Alice down the rabbit hole.
Interesting. my theory from last season was that Helena caused the accident because of the “icy road” comment. But maybe Cobel caused the accident. Every time we’ve seen her in that car she drives very reckless.
I thought it was striking how it's Mark's innie saving his outie.
Milchick implies to Mark he needs his innie to be happy, maybe they have to coexist or one day merge?
Mark as a full-time innie, could reunite with Gemma.
@@FENNYPOOthis is a theme we see at the end of the season 1 opening credits when marks innie and outie are lying on the bed and they both merge
@@FENNYPOOright on the money
It don’t make no damn sense how Phenomenal this Show is
True !!! We are witnessing a masterpiece 😎🤩
I haven’t felt this way about a show since Breaking Bad
@@monicataylor7414* better call Saul
The red PJs are key here. It represents how sleeping as an innie allows you to connect with your outie self. It is why J T character is painting the elevator door. He connected his 2 selves by nodding off in season one.
Wow, I hope you are right. Makes sense.
Red PJs means it’s outtie Mark asleep at home - Innie Mark always wears a suit obviously, tho it’s all metaphors and dreamy states of unconscious/semi-consciousness 😏@@McShaganpronouncedShaegen
@@McShaganpronouncedShaegen it’s a dream sequence + everything is metaphor
@ Sleeping at home all of this time has has done nothing for him so, we will see... Won't we? = )
This theory blew my mind. I always wondered how Irving smuggled information out. THIS MUST BE HOW. The lists, map, etc.. were taken from his innie through his brain while unconscious. That's why he stays up late at night. So he occasionally falls asleep during the day. I'm not exactly sure how to put it together yet. However, it makes sense (as much as anything can in this show). Irving is no doubt an activist/spy/plant of some sort (seems like it has something to do with the article we see about a man filing a lawsuit against Lumen). I've seen others surmise he's part of law enforcement. I disagree but won't rule anything out. Thank you for posting this theory. I find Irv to be such a fascinating character.
Babies with Kier heads possibly = "Soon they'll all be Kier's children." -Jame Eagen
That actually makes alors more sense
I hope its that because if the kier revival thing is true then the opening makes it too obvious
@@firesnakex8 Kind of, but it would also be good writing if people managed to correctly piece it together. Remember when people predicted what was going on in Westworld, and then the writers changed it and made it completely nonsensical?
@@ninjatoriumnova2483 For the love of pete, what was so ''nonsensical'' about westworld? Season 1 was perfect, season 2 was great too, and everything was super clear in both seasons.? Maybe YOU don't remember all the reveals and answers?
So what will the baby be if it’s Mark S. And Helly R. Gettin it on…on the severance floor? 😂
Mark Scout is not using any pajamas, he’s using a kind of baby onesie… the baby stuff is all over the intro
the town is fake and just another department. All "born" at Lumon
It’s long Johns that hunters usually wear, but yeah it’s like a onesie.
mark descending the stairs, followed by helly and gemma in the water’s reflection below him could be a nod towards the orpheus and eurydice myth
You missed suit Mark is actually the bottles at 4:30 - 4:40. It's hard to see, but he's in the liquid.
Ahhhh thank you, I could not make that out and it was bugging me. I think it's because the shirtsleeves looked like reflections on the exterior of the bottle. But once I read your comment, I can't unsee the shirtsleeves and hanging arms.
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also the piece of paper his head is on seems like the photograph of gemma he tore up, or their wedding picture
I think the cloning theory & bringing back Kier are correct and related. I think Lumon is trying to resurrect people by making clones who start off as babies but grow exponentially. And the refining is taking the old person’s memories and implanting them in the clones. I think they did that with Gemma/Ms. Casey as a test run for Kier. So, in other words, Gemma died IRL. Lumon cloned her, she physically started as a baby but grew to adult size quickly, but still the mind of a child (kinda how like the severed people are). Mark is important because he’s refining her memories since he knew her best to get her brain caught up where it was when she died. If it works, Lumon will do the same with Kier. That’s why Kier is a baby crawling in front of Mark in the intro and there’s all the babies in suits near him. I think Lumon is also experimenting with Graner which is why at the beginning of episode 1, there’s the mysterious man in the hallway staring at Mark when he goes to the now empty Wellness. That’s a young, cloned Graner (not yet physically mature to what we’re used to) resurrected after Regabhi killed him. That could also explain Miss Huang’s youth.
Either that, or the show is great and has me going nuts! 😂
that would explain why Cobel is so interested in Mark and Gemma: her mother died and she is hoping to have her cloned once the testing process is successful. That's why she tries to ensure its success by getting close to Mark, but I don't yet get why or how exactly
Agreed!
@@RooockKyy yup!
Going further: I think Mark is refining Gemma’s memories. Helly/Helena Kier’s memories. Irv his father’s memories… just don’t know who Dylan G. is refining yet.
And not to keep piggybacking off my own post here, but it would also tie into the latin motto: Remedium Hominibus, “A cure for mankind.” Providing a cure to end mankind’s greatest illness… death.
(Unless, of course, mankind IS the illness that needs to be cured? Man, I love this show!)
Irv's mug also has B as the handle, like Burt's initial! Even in the opening they're connected!
Irving's last name is Bailiff , That's why.
Ooooh!!!!
@@brianchau1052 Innie Irv’s name is Irving B
I don't think it's that at all..... I see it as the handle split in two. Innie and outtie Irving using the same cup. It's keeping w the theme. Two of everything.
Yea like Burt’s initial, or, ya know… like Irving’s initial 😂
This is SUCH a good analysis
I‘m glad they kept the jumping animation.
And made it even more trippy
It would be bad writing if Cobel is related to Mark because she did't care about Mark's biological sister. Even dumped the baby while looking after it.
To be fair she left the baby in a safe isolated room. If she didn't care she'd have taken the baby with her to Lumon when she was hectically driving
She’s severed
She didn't know how long the baby would be alone. That's not safe.
I know a lot of parents that would do something like that. Not being a good parent/grandmother != bad writing
@bazatronmurphy8596 she figured now that Mark had outed her it wouldn't be too long before her sister looses trust in her babysitting
Might be reaching far, but the children's names in To Kill a Mockingbird are Jem and Scout
This channel makes me appreciate the show so much more...I miss a lot 😭
Makes me wonder if Mark will be able to switch or combine with his innie personality or will have to eventually chose to save his innie personality and sacrifice his self
Just watched a breakdown of this new intro on another channel and this one is soooo much better 👏 great takes on the details 😊
The part I’m most focused on is outie Mark being surgically removed from his own head.
Definitely tells you that Mark will reintegrate. From an inside look on ep 1 on TV+, which is no longer there, we see a clip of Mark’s clothing shifting between a suit and causal. With Mark himself waking up on the same table Helly did.
Adam Scott narrating over it: “Both Innie Mark and Outie Mark are on a collision course with each other, and I’m not sure that they can both get what they want.”
I think the baby motif is related to the cloning/resurrection aspect (even though that's still just a theory) rather than representing the mindset of newly severed people. Ms. Huang is in a child's body but has adult responsibilities of being a supervisor. Could she be an early cloning attempt? Yes, I know she's playing with a toy and also references being a crossing guard, but she's also the person they entrusted (at least initially) to watch over the very valuable Mark S., so there must have been something special about her. Even though they only had 48 hrs, they would have shuffled folks around if they didn't think she was up to it. So I think she's some sort of iteration for what they want to create...Kier's children
I think that the intro is how it feels to be reintegrated, like how disorienting it was for Petey
4:29 I think they're bottles of coffee on the desk. Signifying that Mark is trying to keep himself awake much like Irving did in S1. To help with the integration process in staying awake during your outie hours to help transfer information to your subconscious self.
I like that idea but I was thinking that maybe it’s not coffee but instead it’s something to help with the reintegration process? Could also explain the pills.
@@oliviaallen2199 there's that too. Outie Irving was drinking copious amounts of coffee when he was in his apartment. And I wager he's working for the CIA/FBI as a double agent. He's a veteran of the Armed Forces. So he may have been contacted by Federal officials to be a mole inside Lumon. Would help explain why he was in the phone booth whispering "My innie got the message."
Yeah I think that shot was him beginning the reintegration process
Someone left a comment mentioning you can literally see suit Mark inside the bottles! So interesting
Another great review!
This new seasons intro is fire
I always thought Cobel was obsessed with Mark in order to see if his innie remembers Miss Casey. She has a loved one she may want to clone or whatever Lumon does.
The balloon heads are a metaphor for the uploading of consciousness
Awesome title sequence yet again. Thanks for your breakdowns and reviews!
This was excellent!!!! Although i wish i hadn't accidentally glimpsed that shot from the trailer of some people going OUTSIDE?! on a mountaintop???? This was such a great breakdown!!!
Great theories...I appreciate your takes
At 6:05, I think it's still innies not outies exploring the frozen land (although its not inside the building) because they are all wearing same black colored clothes
I completely agree. I think it would be too much to believe the outies all find each other, discuss Lumen, how they're connected and go off together on some sort of mission. Especially since Helena is actively trying to keep this type of thing from happening. My husband pointed out there's an entire House (waffle party) inside Lumen. So, who knows what's going on in the basement or tunnels that lead elsewhere. Not sure why it looks like a vast amount of land. But, I'm fully on board with the fact these are innies and not outies.
I am on board and waiting for your goat theories 👍🏻
Practice cloning with goats?
thanks a lot you gained a sub because of severance
I love this series and you've made a lot of videos about it which I loved to watch
I'm thinking the elevator arrow colors indicate whether the rider will be severed or not (red means "severing enabled"). Note that when Helena goes down at the end of S2E2, the arrow goes out of frame right before it would light up, hiding that it was green.
This channel always delivers!
Another great analysis!
The 2nd opening is even crazier than season one and that was a surprise to see as well!!!! I absolutely love how much surprising and mysterious and symbolic imagery this has.I don't want to see any theories personally, so I'm not gonna watch this.But I love figuring it out myself as the show goes on.I can't wait to see the opening again next week!!!!!
Watching the season 2 trailer (the one with the goats), I noticed a lot of things that make me believe that Mark is going get reintegrated (standing in the break room hallway wearing outie clothes, the sine wave graph going from one to two lines). The opening just confirmed it for me. Season 1, red pajamas Mark and suit Mark are separated or keep stumbling into each other or even getting trapped by the other. They're panicked and confused in the halls of Lumon. In this opening, Mark doesn't start by walking into Lumon, but by taking an expedition into his own brain to find something. He finds suit mark, and they keep bumping into each other and actively trying to reach out or help before getting ripped away (on the book one side is suit mark holding red mark, and the other is red mark holding suit mark).
Dan Erickson loves Twin Peaks, and Harmony's face opening to a light and void is probably a reference to Laura and Sarah Palmer in The Return.
One of the things I noticed in the sequence is in the "grass/book sequence" as the camera pulled back and you see balloon heads of Helly on the one side and of Gemma on the mirror side. BUT the Mark with the Helly balloons is the orange clad "outtie" Mark and the one with the Gemma balloons is the "Innie" Mark. it seems like a hint that the outie Mark interacts with Helly/Helena at some point more than they did in season 1 when she told him off in the parking lot.
nice detail
Nearest I could tell, it seems they’ve specifically obscured the red arrow that shows up in the elevator zoom shot where it flashes between Helly and Ms Casey - so they know people are going to be looking at this with a fine-toothed comb 😂
Did anybody else also see the one frame where the goat has three eyes looking like Baphomet at 3:36
I did. No one is picking up that layer. The very last image of mark flashing the one eye symbol is also very occult.
There's nothing
@@Sachistar7591Not to mention the Uber creepy waffle party dancers from the 1st season HaHa
5:08 The headless bodies are on all fours on the grass, just like the goats grazing. I think the heads there represent refined data that the goats are grazing on. Perhaps the goats are used as a living, organic place to store refined data until it’s needed.
5:22 this green field place looks a lot like the place where we see the innies with the goats in the trailer signifying that they are actually in the innie world which makes sense why the elevator is pointing up
The white snow part with the car is probably connected with that scene in the teaser trailers where the outies are in a snowy forest!!
My guess is the accident that “killed” Gemma happened during a snowstorm, so snow is embedded in marks/gemma’s subconscious. Cobel is involved somehow too as it’s her car in the water in the new opening scene… Did Cobel cause the accident? Is that scene them trying to find the location?
I loved the new intro. It's taken a notch up in terms of how disturbing it feels. I'm glad I got to see it for the first time in an inebriated state.
I was thinking the bottles were reintegration fluid bc we know that we will see Reghabi again this season and its kind of been hinted that he will reintegrate, but then the person inside the bottle when you slowed it down totally convinces me that it IS how they store humans on the test floor
Great analysis!
about the elevator door with the up arrow; down on the severed floor theres already a door like this in the lobby; with a red arrow pointing up.
When Mark grabs onto the balloon, just before the balloon reaches under the table, inflating the resting head, there's a car half submerged in the water. I wonder if this has something to do with Gemma's car? Perhaps she actually crashed into a frozen lake, and Lumon recovered her body and placed a fake Gemma body in a burnt out car, crashed into a tree? Hmm... me thinks.
Yup but if she never died what are they doing to her?
Looks like cobels car tbh
@ lumen gets rid of her with another car wreck?
someone is having to choose between life and death and is so wrecked with guilt over the reason they are having to choose and this is all about that moment in time frozen and the decision is made. the rest is all subconscious stuff in their mind and the different forces pulling them in 2 directions. What kind of baby will this be. Can I love it? Can I make the time it needs?
Maybe Gemma died in the frozen river, thus preserving her body. So they used her as a test case for resurrecting the frozen bodies of Eagens.
Small detail, but I like how the Opening starts with Mark split in half by a wall hiding the other half.
This might be a reach but the mystery liquid looks like the vial that's in S1E3 during the Hall of Perpetuity scene when the recording of Kier is talking about the 4 Tempers and it cuts to a small vial on a scale balanced with some kind of metal weight. Not sure what that signifies but did just notice that vial for the first time on a recent rewatch!
Wow that's eagle eyed lol, now I want to go look
"Kinda like what happens to me when I'm at the bar" 😭😭😭
I really think that the baby theme is alluding to them creating people. There's so much religious imagery relating to seeing Keir as a god in the show and how Lumin as a corporation has expanding into everything from pharmaceuticals to news papers and residential neighborhoods, add that with all the baby stuff, how petey said there are people that don't get to leave down there and how he marked on his map houses where people might be living, and how the guy feeding the baby goats in s1 kept yelling "they're not ready yet!!". Whether or not it's cloning, breeding, or reprogramming, it really feels like they might be secretly raising people as livestock to form their own Lumin branded Keir worshipping society
To understand the intros you need to understand Jung. The shadow, the physical plane, the mental plane, the personas, the idea of the self and higher self, the goat in the head, the gateway process, all is mind.
Hang on let me take a hit....
Cobel being related to kier is great theory
But cobel related to mark is a big turn off, she treated him harshly and if that’s the direction it’s going, i probably wont be surprised but more of ugh no instead
I agree that would be lazy writing.
At 4:52 in this video, you can see that the bottles on the table have little people inside them. Not sure if theyre supposed to be Mark S? Maybe.
Good catch. Yep, little person in each bottle. I think it is Mark going through reintegration sickness.
Small correction @3:10 it’s O&D not R&D
Great video!
I heard on another channel that Irv is using his watch to communicate between his innie and outie. Using his knowledge from his time in the Navy and its use of flags to communicate over distance.
Using semaphore.
I just found something i havent seen mentioned yet while rewatching. I dont remember what page but they were trying to figure out what corridor Irving was painting with the upside down triangle. Its the elevator to the testing floor.
I took the heavy use of white/red/blue as a hint that there are actually 3 severed personalities. Blue/Red being the innie and outie, while white is what's left.... faceless, undefined, manipulated, afraid.
i think the reason for cobel's frustration was that she knew her answer wouldn't make sense to mark
there was also a couple of ms casey/gemma vs helly. versus not really the right word. like in the book the innie-mark are with ms. casey/gemma balloon heads and the outie mark is with helly balloon heads, and then the flickering shot between both of them in the lift at the end. especially after milchick's comment that "your innie has found love" (putting aside he was probably just also using that as a way to get mark to come back to work) i think these things in the intro symbolise that innie and outie mark could have conflict about the two women each of them have feelings for. and maybe even more importantly, that they DONT have feelings for. outie-mark has never met helly. innie-mark has no idea he was married or who gemma is. so both women hold huge significance for one side of him and zero for that same side.
(presuming also that outie mark does learn that gemma is alive, which seems almost certain)
In season 2, innie Mark knows his outie was married to Ms. Casey
@@jamesbuckley8917Yeah but he also said he never felt anything with her innie version. Outtie Mark got flipped off by Helena in the parking lot though 😂
I think our inies perception of time might be off. They might believe they're experiencing a full day, but in reality, they're being put to sleep midday. During that time, something else happens that they're unaware of before they wake up and go home.
This show does a good job of making it set in a not so weird world but it actually is...
2:26 not the boss babies 😂
Is Helly's hair red as well while her outfit is blue to symbolize that she is actually aligned with Lumen as an outie, not innie?
I think cloning is a red herring
One other clue in the testing floor elevator sequence, marks shadow is approaching the elevator door with the up arrow from below, indicating a lower level underneath the testing floor
i absolutely believe a lot of the mark content in this intro is teasing his potential reintegration. reghabi mentioned some kind of post-op procedures petey didn't follow, potentially explaining both the goo he seems to be either eating/drinking as well as the pills? we see her in the trailer, we also see what appears to be mark in his outie's sweater from episode two exploring the testing elevator's hallway, as well as mark's innie pulling the chip out containing the outie, as if to reunite them? then there's the innie carrying the outtie past the metaphorical 'wall' between their consciousnesses?
who knows, we're two episodes in but i'm really hoping for this theory, because i want to see what happens when it WORKS, because i think mark would at least try to cooperate just to continue to deepen his understanding!
They are wearing exactly the same stuff on that picture outside, making me think it‘s the innies.
mark is important to lumen as his wife froze to death after the car accident. i think kiers body is frozen and they are trying to bring him back so gemma is the perfect test subject.
Didn't Mark say in S2E2 that her body was burnt?
@@DoraDarazs-hm8crThey could have switched bodies after the accident but before Mark got there?
I like this theory as it would mean they could be telling the truth with it not being cloning.
@@lambtoon Mark was in the car, he drove.
The 2 fish in the blue tanks. I said, "oh shit, the fish are doin it, they're severed. Someone should point that out " 😅
that goat part looks a lot like Ai
Agreed. The outfit too is also AI-looking, in some scenes its a one-piece, in other scenes its morphing into sweatpants and a shirt??
And the weird horn at the top of its head?
Yeah....unfortunately that was my very first thought too!!! I really hope that's not true and the Severance team are beyond using such cheap thievery SLOP!!!
Yeah this season the intro does have more parts that look ai. Even though I’m against it’s misuse too, like really you should always have to program and train it with your own images and video. It’s totally wrong they already trained it on everyone’s data and now have just changed all user agreements. All that aside if you’re able to have a lucid dream and start observing around in your dreams, you’ll notice things do look a little off just like ai videos. Kinda scary how close honestly.
the goats are probably not goats, but newborns. they're just not able to see them for what they are, like most other stuff.
Ooh!
I think cobel caused Gemma's death...somehow
Yes! She certainly has some rage that could be applied to the road. Might explain her baking cookies and watching over mark. Her subconscious is guilty. Also supports her being severed. Maybe the severed part of cobel is a form of kiers consciousness that was successful? Explains why she knows so much. I dunno.
@@smilewhenyourbleedin it’s possible + maybe explains her obsession 😏 we’ll see
@@jonkerwin Cobelvig is not severed she’s just a true believer (and a lunatic)
Yes. I think she killed her daughter-in-law and 'farmed' her son Mark for his trauma so that they could all help Lumon achieve its sole mission to reanimate Kier. Cobel could also be Helena's aunt.
I think the intro is all about Mark's integration sickness like Petey in the first season. And that the cloned Kier that they are working on will be a baby that Ms. Casey is carrying.
Ooh, a woman believed to be dead would be perfect for that project: she has no outie, so they can monitor her 24/7!
balloons keep popping up sins s1 and i think there are more then 1 persona lumen can fit in one head
My theory is that, based on the imagery in the introduction and various theories, the story might revolve around injecting human consciousness or personalities into goats. At 5:12, you can clearly see faces reflected on the grass, resembling the animals we saw in Season 1. Maybe it is a test for bigger project?.. I’m not entirely sure where that would lead the narrative, but considering what we know so far, it seems to make sense as a potential direction.
Agreed!
I think the goals are the source materials to produce human clones, together with some mother cells or some kind of memory data that Mark's department store from the sequences of numbers that they store. Could the date be DNA sequencing?
Ty ❤❤❤
What if everyone is cloned. The clones live a regular boring life and get severed to work while the real versions live a care free life outside of the town, while reaping the benefits of their clones work.
Wooooahhhh 🤯
4:37 "at least not as an adult" AHSHAHAHA
in the intro of season 1 we see Mark holds a balloon version of himself, I believe it's either a metaphor maybe it has a deeper meaning!!
Maybe Cobel knew/knows someone that is perma-severed like Gemma (presumably) is. That could be why she's so interested in Mark S and Ms. Casey and whether they remember each other- she could have someone whom she wishes remembered her. Her motives seem too personal to just be of interest to Lumon
Maybe her dead husband, who promised to build her a house in the afterlife and she carries the blueprints with her in her purse?
3:36 The way this image changes is similar to how scientists tried to "save" human visuals, resulting in blurry depictions of reality. You can search for "Movie reconstruction from human brain activity" to see what I mean. Similar to how Irve might try to plant memories into his subconscious or sees memories of the floor.
Something from the trailer is driving me insane! Can someone please please speculate about what does Mr. Drummond mean 0:09 when he says to (milkshake?) on the trailer “your work will be remembered as one of of the greatest moments in this planet” What can be so important? It’s actually making me question if we are on the right track with the clones
Green is also associated with intelligence. Painting a room green is said to increase learning ability. 🤔🖤
3:10 -that's not R&D, It's O&D (optics & design).
Maybe the brown liquid is the BAD SOAP! Haha jk, but that was admittedly the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that since it's a running joke in our household, as I'm constantly threatening to bring out the bad soap when the innies misbehave.
CLONING was debunked by the cast during a recent interview' where they discussed fan theories; but the goats ARE super important. With respect to the into, take the part that mimics season 1, where Mark (outie) falls into half of his head and strats working as his innie.. Here, the head CLOSES, then turns into a goat, which itself is taken away by Lumon employee. The fact that it's a painting may point to OD, but more on point is that a person undergoes transformation and end up a goat: big points for the theory that would have conciousnesses go into goats. Other speculation: from the first to 2nd intro, the Mark piloting the head is now the OUTIE. As you mentionned with brass instruments, the half head is white like what comes out of the printer, So if a consiousness is rebuilt then put into a goat, it requires imput from the outside to be finished; I think the goats are temporary vessels as a conciousness re-learns to see the world and interact under the care and security of Lumon (the field with a sheppard) until Lumon is ready to make the leaps to tranfer them into humans (the ULTIMATE goal). As severed people can have children without remembering, Lumon can then transfer what was in the goats until now into the babies, or the persons at any age (maybe Ms Huang is such a child, and it would make sense of all the faceless babies)? Anyhow, maybe Cobel is shown as who sheds a light over this (she's been there all this time and is angry now)? The car represents the one accident, but maybe the broader theme of accidents , goal being selling counsiousness tranfer to people at large (that effort can't just be for Kier, and remember, Lumon is a cure for Mankind!) Wow! Back to the book, maybe Ricken (who we know wrote a new book from episode 1 newspaper) helps sell a story that women will buy and end up (probably unwittingly or who cares? willngly, as some give organs) giving babies to Lumon? As for inside the severed floor dynamics, I wonder why Mark falls into Irv's mug, which looks like brass knucles: will he be a big instrument of change? I'm dying to see what these flashes of Gemma and Helly (sometimes as heads on the ground) really mean for the story and if Mark becomes unsevered (mamy clues point to the innie running the show and saving the outie)? Thanks for video : ) PS: sorry for types
Anime taught me you can't watch openings if you don't want to be spoiled.
4:50 The object on the left looks like a lighter.
The wildest theory I've heard so far is that Patricia is Adam's mom, and that Patricia is an illegitimate child of someone from Lumon Industries, maybe explaining why Britt was so perplexed by her and Adam kissing?
bro imagine the outer world is the testing floor that the ppl that never leave go and they think they free
anyone else notice balloon heads of helly and ms casey on either sides of the book that cobel is holding? i also don’t believe that’s necessarily supposed to be cobel- more-so just a representative for lumon constantly looming (lol) over mark
I know everyone thinks Helena is in MDR but I think it's Helly. She's just ashamed of her outie's identity.
I co host Julie B Deep Dives live and we both think it’s Helly. You aren’t alone.
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 thanks, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills 😂
80% sure it is Helly R., not Helena
Except then why did they remove all the surveillance? They need to earn back the trust of the MDRs but they still meed to monitor them.
@ I think it’s part of the game.
The car in the icy water looks like Cobel’s VW MkII Golf or Rabbit.
4:49 looks like a pistol magazine on the left
The outie teaming together?! idk, it just doesnt sit with me, i think they were the innies going somewhere outside or could just be another weird lumon room.
Ben Stiller made a call out in their recent cast discussing theories video: "I'm surprised no one is talking about the contents of Mark's locker."
Could you cover what this might be? Thank you!! 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Oohhhh...well we know he places hi watch and phone in there....
YOU MISSED THE SNOW!!!
Why is SNOW there?
Is there some connection with SNOW here?
WHATS GOING ON???