Everything you said regarding Mason Mount is completely fair and true. However, i dont care. The dislike i have for him is irrational. He wanted to leave because he felt undervalued compared to everyone else. A big part of the reason why people hate him is literally because we loved him. If he was still here, he would be wearing the armband. Also, we literally defended him against everyone. Everyone said he's overatted, etc. we weren't gonna stand for it. He was our starboy, but he's gone, and we have Cole palmer.
Very well said I must say. Players need to have they have the sole responsible when it comes to the narrative of their career. Either you regret or learn or you reap your rewards.
He's a very good player, but had and (judging by the North London derby at the weekend) has a tendency to drift in and out of games. Sometimes he goes so far out that he never quite gets back into them. I like him a lot, but he's almost the definition of a luxury player. Also, it's quite amusing that Arsenal said they were going to play him differently from us and promptly, er… used him the same as we did. He'll be good for them at times, but I wasn't sorry to see him go, particularly for that fee.
Book value works like this. If you brought a player for 100m for example on a 5 year deal, his book value will depreciate by 20 million every year. So if the player has 1 year left then his book value is 20m. Therefore, if you sell in his final year for 60m then you make 40m profit technically on the books (60-20).
For me, Mount dropped off and it seemed to coincide with him doing more for his image/photo shoots etc. I'll never forget something a top player said. Some players start to play in the first team and think they've made it and stop working, they will end up not making it, whereas, those that continue to put the effort in make it - Mount for me falls in the prior, he worked and got to a level, then dropped off. Havertz, too inconsistent, I think you can wait for a player to become the player you think they can be, but you have to set a limit. There's no point saying every season this will be their season, at some point you have to call it. Havertz falls into that category. As did RLC, CHO, Pulisic and I think the same can be said for Disasi, Badiashile and with James if he doesn't manage significant minutes in at least 25 EPL games this season.
Mount started to drop off during contract negotiations, maybe before. I wouldn't be surprised if he was pissed that Reece got 250k a week contract (given his injury record at the time) and the club weren't willing to give him the same amount. Still doesn't justify the drop in form though. 🤷🏿♂️
Spot on regarding James. He had "last chance saloon" surgery on his hamstring, a procedure that either fixes you as it did Kante or simply doesnt. Unfortunately unless its not related to his operation we are seeing the end of him as a serious footballer. As you said we have to decide this season what to do with him and defo need a stronger personality as our captain.
Havertz is not consistent. We had to rely on him for 3 frustrating years, at Arsenal, Havertz having a bad game will go unnoticed because they do other players who can step up. We told rival fans that Havertz is a good player on his day but they wouldn't listen. They constantly said he was rubbish and told us we were just hyping him up. However Arsenal fans are constantly telling us Jackson is bad yet on his first season done better than Kai Havertz has ever done in the premership.
Book value is related to amortization… it goes down by the same amount as the amortization rate 70m/5 year contract… means the “book value” goes down by 14m per season. Havertz was here 3 years, reducing his book value by 42m, leaving 28m book value. Any amount above 28m is a net profit on the books.
When you say “Reece James is the best right back in the world when fit” the last 2 words of that sentence swallow the rest of the sentence. There are a LOT of examples just at Chelsea of injuries that reduce a player’s quality materially. The jury is still out on whether James can return to his previous form. His petulant red cards, however, are a clear indication that he himself is frustrated and that frustration is likely due to him knowing his constant injuries are slowing him down. An in-form and firing Reece James does not act out on the pitch the way he has. A day arrives for every high level athlete where his body begins to fail to answer the call his mind has sent. It’s the physiological reality of high-level sports. How that athlete adapts his lifestyle, his training habits and his playing style is the key factor in whether he can continue to perform at high levels. Reece is struggling with that and the outcome is not known yet. I hope he’s getting the right counseling to help him.
I honestly do not want to see Reece James on the pitch until he's been tested, re-checked, tested, slowly integrated into conference league matches, rested, and retested. We need to stop rushing him back on once they say he's match fit.
I wonder if Reece plays as a striker if he would have as much injury problems. Maybe a change of position might kickstart his season whenever he gets back. Just a thought.
I agree with Colwill being a future captain. Sometime he seems to have similar aggression problems as Reece but just considering how solid he is already and the impression he gives I can totally see him being captain once he gathers a little more experience.
I sold my mini, which was always breaking down, for a healthy profit. With that profit I bought a younger Porsche, it drives like a dream and has never let me down.
@@anthonywright1924 Mudryk would be like buying an Alfa Romeo and expecting to perform something like a Ferrari because it's also Italian. Plenty of speed, style and looks, but so damn unreliable.
I wouldn’t compare Cole Palmer’s contract to other more experienced players. He was on a youth contract of 13,500k weekly 14 months ago and had only 1 full season in the first team. Whilst he has had a massive impact on our team you can’t compare him to a 25 year old who has 4-5 seasons in the premiership. Compare Palmer to his peers like Hojland. I miss Mount but glad we haven’t had him on the injury table the last year. Glad we sold Havertz as he seems to be like Ozil with his purple patchy form.
I also have an issue with the way Reece doesn’t seem to keep his head in the moment. He gets red cards for stupid stuff because he’s mad and that is not the example a captain should set. They should have a cool head and be above such things.
Reece will never be consistently healthy again. Accept and move on. He never was a good captain, so on that front no worries. All we lose is a very good overlapping wing back and we don’t even play that system anymore.
@Trafalgar1Law players get injured that's how the game works.. Some players have more injuries than others. That doesn't make them bad players all of a sudden. Regardless of the system. Yes it's frustrating as a fan. Keep supporting and hopefully they come good in the end
Opinions on this playing as a 4 - 1 - 4 - 1 moving to 3 - 2 - 4 - 1: Jackson Sancho Nkunku Palmer Madueke Caicedo/Lavia/Enzo Cucurella Colwill Fofana James/Gusto Sanchez James/Gusto/Cucurella invert into midfield to join one of caicedo, enzo or lavia and means we can fit both jackson and Nkunku in. Nkunku likes to drift out left, plamer out right and both can do defensive work if needed as well as the wingers. May not fix our defence but feel this would be good to see. I feel like it is such a waste for us to not use Nkunku. I feel he may be one of the best players we have and to have him sitting on the bench just feels like we are wasting him. The man was scoring in preseason and every time he has played has shown why he is good.
I really think if reece has another bad injury season we do need to start thinking about possible selling him or at least lowering wages if he is not hitting a certain amount of games
1. Liking the new background gang. Looking really dope. 2. Your investment in your equipment is reaping its rewards, the quality is immaculate. 3. Please stop that zoom in/ Close up. It makes me feel uncomfortable (lol, banter). 4. A number of players struggle at Chelsea as chelsea has been disfunctional over the last few seasons... Most will break unless theyve got the confidence of Ice Cole. 5. Nico is not a "big" upgrade to Havertz but financially you can say we "upgraded" by getting Nico. I just hope they d not win any trophies as the move to Arsenal will look like a great move for Mikel. 6. Mount would not have made it in our current squad
A couple things, yan: I think the book cost works similarly to amortization. Havertz’s book cost was a combination of his transfer fee divided over the course of his contract at chels + his wages. It was lower bc his contract was running out. Also, regarding havertz, I tried to back him and always thought that we failed as a club to deliver what was likely pitched to him; I remember clearly that the plan under lampard was to use him as an 8 arriving late alongside Mason. It was so short lived under lampard that I feel like this plan was never able to come good. But to call havertz “versatile” (or what Arsenal fans refer to him as now) is heinous considering how little he was able to adapt to tuchel ball. I know tuchel historically is low output in terms of final product, but havertz was a massive contributor to it being as low as it was
Kai was always a great player but inconsistent, the truth is he was hurt by how we played football at the time. imo he would have worked better now, but if you ask me still we are still better for selling him £65m for him was a great deal. Mason mount, I thought he had a great 2-3 seasons but no doubt how he turnt the narrative that we didn’t offer him anything when originally we offered him 200k rejected , he was only about the money and we sold him £55m with 12 months left.We did very well in a business sense. Either way cold palmer > Kai. Nkunku > mount. 😊
Havertz is a level below Foden-Saka-Palmer. It’s not difficult to see. He’s a good player, not arguing against that, but he doesn’t have that overall quality you find with the 3 players I’ve mentioned. Watching him play for 90 mins week-in-week out, I defended him based on those moments of brilliance that came few and far between. But I knew deep down he wasn’t even on Mount’s level (at his peak), nevermind FSP.
We got good deals out of both of them. The more time moves on, the more Chelsea begins to feel like the English version of Real Madrid. More expectations and more competition for places than other clubs. Only exceptional players can handle that (Lampard, Drogba, Palmer)…
Havertz sale was a shame, there was a great CAM in there, someone to play as a second striker and he would have suited Maresca football. But at the time he simply wasn't what we needed, he wasn't and still isn't a number 9... he is an enigma really, he belongs to a different era of football IMO.
We made good money for Mount and it was a good deal from the owners we I don't regret the owners selling him, Kai wasn't getting the goals at Chelsea so this dropped his value so to get our money back on him is good business we have moved on if you compare kai to our new no10 Palmer we would rather have Cold Palmer 🥶.
I might be alone but I really like what the new management has done. I love that the new wage structure is sustainable and is about building youth talent. I love the fact that they're not looking at these players with sentimentality but as assets and if you don't perform, you're gone. I actually think that the overall quality of football has gone down tremendously over the last 15 years and I think it has everything to do with inflated player values and salaries. The idea that a club can dish out 100 million in a summer transfer window every year is unrealistic and unsustainable, especially when it seems more likely than not that the player will not live up to their price tag. neither player is worth anything close to what we sold them for. I think the football market is poised to see a massive course correction and player values over the next decade because no one can afford to pay $60 million and get less than 25 goals a season.
It's not really the sales except for Connor Gallagher being pushed out,, but the replacement are not any better and in many cases are not near as good if players
I will always have respect for mount and havertz duty here being a part of helping us winning 3 major trophies. I dont see the reason to sit and bully former players
I wish Havertz all the best, he’s a nice guy. And I’m not interested in the past, really wish him well and that’s it, Mount? I’m sorry but I never rated Mount. So both subjects are irrelevant to me
I always felt like Kai had bad luck. I recall that he was infected with Covid at least once. One bout of illness seems to have been prolonged and required a long recuperation time. I don’t think he ever recovered his equilibrium, and I think the isolation of not being in Germany while sick was insurmountable. He needed to move for his sake. I always admired his work rate and passion for the game.
I like the more differentiated take. No doubt 65Million was very much and I thought at the time Arsenal could have gotten him for less and maybe there would have been more of a bidding war if Arsenal havent just met the price tag right away. Nonetheless since january his numbers in assists, goals and every other metric is very impressive and if he plays a full season like this it might be really good. To Mount: I don`t get the criticism? He was there one season got injured and played in United worst season, its not like the system was working or anything. And to the Palmer comparison : thats more like a lucky punch like Odegaard for 30Million, Salah for Liverpool wo suddenly exploded etc. Fair play to him, but its not like everyone waited for this. On the other hand Fernandez, Caicedo etc are clearly more of the overpaid category .
Mount and Haverz never managed to reach the levels we foreseen them to do. In any case, they are above-average nothing special kind of midfielders, nowadays, which should not cause any headaches for us, because our squad has no place for such players now. Palmer is much better than both.
Got no issues with Kai, always going to remember that night in Porto, he did ok for us. A lot of Arse fans seem to think that we consider him a crap baller, which is weird. He was always a decent player for us, but he was never what we needed, which was a proper number 9, which we had been looking for since Costa. Even Jackson is a better fit than Kai, and for us to get the best part of 70 million for him is a great deal for us. If Arse are happy with him then it's a rare win/win situation surely?
Palmer's contract is not static. Chelsea's new contract this season was not a favour; it was an activation of a clause. Chelsea literally had no choice but to improve the offer. So also are Nicholas Jackson and a bunch of others.
Kai did his bit winning us the Champions League, not a Cobham product and got us a good fee and profit on the books, wish him well. Mount like Gallagher wouldnt start in this side and wanted a deal better than offered. Mount is a Pompey fan, Gallagher leaving leaves a sour taste, others did there bit for Chelsea, brought in good money and been replaced
How did we sell callum hudson odoi for 5 mill. Do we have a buyback clause or something. Hes showing his ability now. Much better than mudryk or sterling
Don’t know why we’re speaking about harvertz and mount there gone speak about James injuries will he recover the sporting directors signings of poor players😊
Maybe just rotate the arm band around for a while until things settle and an obvious player emerges. Agree that all the hoo-ha about Havertz and Mount is gett bit boring. Move on 😄
Stick to FM. Stat merchant, xG merchant, profit and sustainably merchant. You care about every BUT the one thing that matters. On the field success. Don’t forget. As a SUPPORTER, that’s the only thing that matters.
Havertz and Mount were in a CL-winning team coached by Tuchel. With the right manager, they can be very good players. I don't believe Chelsea can win the CL anytime soon. The team is full of talented misfits like Sancho, Mudryk and Felix. The data-driven approach is bollocks. The data collected on Mudryk in the Ukraine league was irrelevant to the PL. Chelsea is picking individuals based on dubious stats rather than building a team. The stats don't address psychology. Alex Ferguson wanted winners and would ask other managers and his players about the attitude of players he considered buying. The sporting directors, the manager and Clearlake have never built a successful side. This is the blind leading the blind. Some players don't have long careers, Gary Shaw won the league at 20 and the CL at 21 and was superb. He was PFA and European young player of the year. He sustained a knee injury and was never the same. Medical treatment has improved since the 1980s but who knows whether Chelsea still employs competent staff. The sporting directors were allegedly trying to blame Poch for the injuries last season. Mount has played for Chelsea since he was 6. Saying he's a Pompey fan is ridiculous and irrelevant. How many of the current team grew up as Chelsea fans?
im not concerend with haverts or mount nut acting like the ownership didnt do the right thing so far for me just says we just trying to fight the owners
Kai already did for us what he’ll never do for Arsenal 😂 let him enjoy his time in London they got a lot of catching up to do on those European nights ⭐️⭐️ up the blues 💙🥶
Why are we still talking about Kai and Mount? Kai was jever going to make it at Chelsea so if it's "working" at Arsenal then good for him. I will pick Jackson over Kai any day. As for Mount, he wanted a move and he got it, whatever happened after is none of my business.
Yan (and anyone else curious about how these calculations work), book value is basically calculated by taking the original price paid for a player, dividing that figure by the number of years contract length (maxed at 5 now thanks to Master Boehly), then subtracting that annual amount from the original price for each year the player is at the club. So for Havertz, 71MM quid (per Transfermarkt) divided by 5 years is 14.2MM per year. He came to us in the summer of 2020 and stayed until summer 2023, so 3 years. 3 x 14.2MM = 42.6 MM, subtract that from 71MM and you get 28.4MM unamortized balance at the time of sale - the burning off of his fee is the amortization in action. Surely there are other little tricks here and there to bring that value down a little faster, plus I'm not sure if the 71MM was cash up front or included bonuses, some of which may not have been fully realized. Bet scoring the Champions League Final winner wasn't a bonus trigger, eh? 😂 But anyway, there you have it, more or less. EDIT: Love the channel, keep it going bro. 🦾🦾🦾
Havertz was bought to play as a midfielder. He failed at that miserably. Arsenal were unanimous in agreeing they needed a striker this summer. If they had done that Havertz would be on the bench. He's completely toilet.
Couldn’t give a monkeys about Mount and Havertz. They’ve moved on and so have I. James is not captain material, period. His future is very much in doubt IMO. He has defensive lapses in him and his strengths do not fit into the current system but he is a class player who could adapt but he has to be available and he isn’t. Add to that his salary and how good Gusto is, albeit becoming injury prone, and I see James going the way of the Academy money pit. I’m not even sure I’d be so upset if he was sold, assuming it’s a lot and to another country. Of course, he’d become as fit as a flea for someone else, unless he does a Hazard.
What was the point of bringing up Pulisic when he’s clearly a good player who had some injuries issues along with also playing out of position at Chelsea? Let’s compare Pulisic’s injury record and productivity since he left Chelsea to Kai Haverts, Mason Mount, Reece James & Chillwell and it’s NOT EVEN CLOSE who’s doing better. The only player doing something is Kai Haverts. The English & European bias is insane how you and others always have excuses for other players and what they’re going through whether it’s injuries or they just plain overrated but not for Pulisic
both harvertz and mount are overrated as footballers , i think they had limitations, just like i thought that galagher had limitations, players like that are just overhyped, take for example mount v col palmer, mount is just a runner and has work rate, cole palmer is a pure baller with pure skill, take lavia vs gallgher, lavia press resistent , ball progression, passing range , football intelligence, gallgher , no football intelligence poor pasiing range , just a runner and tackler just like mount, gallagher winning man of the match just one game doesnt define anything, he will be found out soon for his lack of football intelligence, different games will pose different challenges for players like gallgher and mount, for harvetz i still dont rate him, i think he is a youtube footballer. pure ballers , like de bryne , jamal musaila , yamal, nico williams , rodri, lavia, bruno fernendes, bruno guimeres palmer, rico lewis adam wharton , these players are hard to find
The money and wages is to important to you. It’s not coming out of your pocket. Havertz without a doubt is much better than mudryk & Jackson…. When you are mentioning we got palmer for this… what about what we got mudryk for?? You can’t call it one way and ignore it on the other hand.
Yan, it’s been over a year since these guys are gone. Let people dislike who they want. The Mount family were obviously briefing you and Goldberg on one side of the story when it was happening and we had to listen their propaganda every episode. But there is always two sides to every story. I also just don’t know why we have to revisit this.
Everything you said regarding Mason Mount is completely fair and true. However, i dont care. The dislike i have for him is irrational. He wanted to leave because he felt undervalued compared to everyone else. A big part of the reason why people hate him is literally because we loved him. If he was still here, he would be wearing the armband. Also, we literally defended him against everyone. Everyone said he's overatted, etc. we weren't gonna stand for it. He was our starboy, but he's gone, and we have Cole palmer.
Very well said I must say. Players need to have they have the sole responsible when it comes to the narrative of their career. Either you regret or learn or you reap your rewards.
Good admission, but he was never my starboy. And his lust for money proven me right.
Chelsea fans were saying he was overrated lmao
@@intermediate212 *some chelsea fans
@@alexhamlet1038 * a lot.
We upgraded on Havertz and Mount by signing Cold Palmer, we’re eating good
Neto and Felix to replace Sterling. Menu is looking good
Quadruple based on how things stand now.
Something about Cole palmer doesn't convince me especially when I think about champions league
Kai Havertz wasn’t a big enough personality to carry Chelsea. He wasn’t mature enough as a player at the time.
Still isn’t
He's a very good player, but had and (judging by the North London derby at the weekend) has a tendency to drift in and out of games. Sometimes he goes so far out that he never quite gets back into them. I like him a lot, but he's almost the definition of a luxury player. Also, it's quite amusing that Arsenal said they were going to play him differently from us and promptly, er… used him the same as we did. He'll be good for them at times, but I wasn't sorry to see him go, particularly for that fee.
Mount Havertz or Sancho?
I’ll take Sancho and 25m is utter madness. Deal of the century!!!
Book value works like this. If you brought a player for 100m for example on a 5 year deal, his book value will depreciate by 20 million every year. So if the player has 1 year left then his book value is 20m. Therefore, if you sell in his final year for 60m then you make 40m profit technically on the books (60-20).
An accountant speaks
Most fans don't understand the business side of football 😅
I know longer concern myself with Mount or Havertz.
Or Conor
Loved the boys when they were at Chelsea. And happy where theyre at right now. But we are definitely better off without them.
For me, Mount dropped off and it seemed to coincide with him doing more for his image/photo shoots etc. I'll never forget something a top player said. Some players start to play in the first team and think they've made it and stop working, they will end up not making it, whereas, those that continue to put the effort in make it - Mount for me falls in the prior, he worked and got to a level, then dropped off.
Havertz, too inconsistent, I think you can wait for a player to become the player you think they can be, but you have to set a limit. There's no point saying every season this will be their season, at some point you have to call it. Havertz falls into that category. As did RLC, CHO, Pulisic and I think the same can be said for Disasi, Badiashile and with James if he doesn't manage significant minutes in at least 25 EPL games this season.
Mourinho prolly said that
Mount started to drop off during contract negotiations, maybe before. I wouldn't be surprised if he was pissed that Reece got 250k a week contract (given his injury record at the time) and the club weren't willing to give him the same amount. Still doesn't justify the drop in form though. 🤷🏿♂️
@@intermediate212 Certainly then, but I felt the drop off started the season before with him.
What people also seem to forget is Palmer did all that in half a season!!
Chelsea made 60 million pure profit for Mount or we could have kept him and paid him whatever he wanted. It's as simple as that.
Mount is a snake, his career going down the drain love it
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If Real Madrid came knocking for reece I would be happy to let him go tbh
Yan how you haven’t got at least as many subscribers as gbfc I will never know 😊
Loved the vid, it was a fair view on both of the players you spoke about, no bias or anything just fair and neutral
Spot on regarding James. He had "last chance saloon" surgery on his hamstring, a procedure that either fixes you as it did Kante or simply doesnt. Unfortunately unless its not related to his operation we are seeing the end of him as a serious footballer. As you said we have to decide this season what to do with him and defo need a stronger personality as our captain.
Too much football at a young age. Loan to Galatasary or a Spanish team may help him recover fully.
Havertz is not consistent. We had to rely on him for 3 frustrating years, at Arsenal, Havertz having a bad game will go unnoticed because they do other players who can step up.
We told rival fans that Havertz is a good player on his day but they wouldn't listen. They constantly said he was rubbish and told us we were just hyping him up.
However Arsenal fans are constantly telling us Jackson is bad yet on his first season done better than Kai Havertz has ever done in the premership.
Book value is related to amortization… it goes down by the same amount as the amortization rate
70m/5 year contract… means the “book value” goes down by 14m per season. Havertz was here 3 years, reducing his book value by 42m, leaving 28m book value.
Any amount above 28m is a net profit on the books.
When you say “Reece James is the best right back in the world when fit” the last 2 words of that sentence swallow the rest of the sentence. There are a LOT of examples just at Chelsea of injuries that reduce a player’s quality materially. The jury is still out on whether James can return to his previous form. His petulant red cards, however, are a clear indication that he himself is frustrated and that frustration is likely due to him knowing his constant injuries are slowing him down. An in-form and firing Reece James does not act out on the pitch the way he has. A day arrives for every high level athlete where his body begins to fail to answer the call his mind has sent. It’s the physiological reality of high-level sports. How that athlete adapts his lifestyle, his training habits and his playing style is the key factor in whether he can continue to perform at high levels. Reece is struggling with that and the outcome is not known yet. I hope he’s getting the right counseling to help him.
He’s also just not anymore. When he was fit during pre season he looked dreadful
I honestly do not want to see Reece James on the pitch until he's been tested, re-checked, tested, slowly integrated into conference league matches, rested, and retested. We need to stop rushing him back on once they say he's match fit.
I wonder if Reece plays as a striker if he would have as much injury problems. Maybe a change of position might kickstart his season whenever he gets back. Just a thought.
I agree with Colwill being a future captain. Sometime he seems to have similar aggression problems as Reece but just considering how solid he is already and the impression he gives I can totally see him being captain once he gathers a little more experience.
I sold my mini, which was always breaking down, for a healthy profit. With that profit I bought a younger Porsche, it drives like a dream and has never let me down.
This would be a poetic analogy if Jackson ran like a Porsche
Mudryk never let me down🔥
@@anthonywright1924 It was meant to reflect the selling of Havertz for Palmer, or Mount for Sancho.
@@anthonywright1924 Mudryk would be like buying an Alfa Romeo and expecting to perform something like a Ferrari because it's also Italian. Plenty of speed, style and looks, but so damn unreliable.
I wouldn’t compare Cole Palmer’s contract to other more experienced players. He was on a youth contract of 13,500k weekly 14 months ago and had only 1 full season in the first team. Whilst he has had a massive impact on our team you can’t compare him to a 25 year old who has 4-5 seasons in the premiership. Compare Palmer to his peers like Hojland. I miss Mount but glad we haven’t had him on the injury table the last year. Glad we sold Havertz as he seems to be like Ozil with his purple patchy form.
I also have an issue with the way Reece doesn’t seem to keep his head in the moment. He gets red cards for stupid stuff because he’s mad and that is not the example a captain should set. They should have a cool head and be above such things.
Reece will never be consistently healthy again. Accept and move on. He never was a good captain, so on that front no worries. All we lose is a very good overlapping wing back and we don’t even play that system anymore.
Medical doctor? Physio? Which one are you?
@@akheemvalentine1177it’s the truth
A good player Is a good player regardless of the system. They improvise, overcome, adapt..
@@snaithhenderson85 cant overcome, can’t adapt IF YOU’RE NEVER FIT TO PLAY
@Trafalgar1Law players get injured that's how the game works..
Some players have more injuries than others.
That doesn't make them bad players all of a sudden.
Regardless of the system.
Yes it's frustrating as a fan.
Keep supporting and hopefully they come good in the end
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Wait, isn't he Monsieur Yan Yan Yan?
Well, one thing he isn't is a Slav. 😂😂
You two need to do another collab soon. It's interesting hearing both your opinions simultaneously. Best 2 Chelsea RUclipsrs 👍🟦
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Opinions on this playing as a 4 - 1 - 4 - 1 moving to 3 - 2 - 4 - 1:
Jackson
Sancho Nkunku Palmer Madueke
Caicedo/Lavia/Enzo
Cucurella Colwill Fofana James/Gusto
Sanchez
James/Gusto/Cucurella invert into midfield to join one of caicedo, enzo or lavia and means we can fit both jackson and Nkunku in. Nkunku likes to drift out left, plamer out right and both can do defensive work if needed as well as the wingers. May not fix our defence but feel this would be good to see.
I feel like it is such a waste for us to not use Nkunku. I feel he may be one of the best players we have and to have him sitting on the bench just feels like we are wasting him. The man was scoring in preseason and every time he has played has shown why he is good.
Number 7 CDMs have always been clutch. Bastian Schweinsteiger and Ramirez also wore #7. And they were clutch AF 😂😂😂
I really think if reece has another bad injury season we do need to start thinking about possible selling him or at least lowering wages if he is not hitting a certain amount of games
I don’t miss Havertz or Mount. Both provided a great moment in Chelsea history but we’ve upgraded on them massively
1. Liking the new background gang. Looking really dope.
2. Your investment in your equipment is reaping its rewards, the quality is immaculate.
3. Please stop that zoom in/ Close up. It makes me feel uncomfortable (lol, banter).
4. A number of players struggle at Chelsea as chelsea has been disfunctional over the last few seasons... Most will break unless theyve got the confidence of Ice Cole.
5. Nico is not a "big" upgrade to Havertz but financially you can say we "upgraded" by getting Nico. I just hope they d not win any trophies as the move to Arsenal will look like a great move for Mikel.
6. Mount would not have made it in our current squad
A couple things, yan:
I think the book cost works similarly to amortization. Havertz’s book cost was a combination of his transfer fee divided over the course of his contract at chels + his wages. It was lower bc his contract was running out.
Also, regarding havertz, I tried to back him and always thought that we failed as a club to deliver what was likely pitched to him; I remember clearly that the plan under lampard was to use him as an 8 arriving late alongside Mason. It was so short lived under lampard that I feel like this plan was never able to come good. But to call havertz “versatile” (or what Arsenal fans refer to him as now) is heinous considering how little he was able to adapt to tuchel ball. I know tuchel historically is low output in terms of final product, but havertz was a massive contributor to it being as low as it was
Not saying what you mentioned about havertz is wrong btw, just adding commentary
The problem is selling out so many of our players, to achieve nothing
Spicy topic, my man Yan is making a CHARGE at 200k 🤣
I live in Thailand (yes very lucky me) watching this next to really loud bar following with subtitles keep up the content bro 200k soon 👊
Kai havert gave us the champions league palmer hasn't
Yan please do more opinion pieces🙏
Mount, havertz and ghallager....players without much end product... Good that Chelsea got rid of these players🎉🎉🎉🎉
Kai was always a great player but inconsistent, the truth is he was hurt by how we played football at the time. imo he would have worked better now, but if you ask me still we are still better for selling him £65m for him was a great deal. Mason mount, I thought he had a great 2-3 seasons but no doubt how he turnt the narrative that we didn’t offer him anything when originally we offered him 200k rejected , he was only about the money and we sold him £55m with 12 months left.We did very well in a business sense. Either way cold palmer > Kai. Nkunku > mount. 😊
72m for Kai Havertz - 5 year contract
14.4m a year amortised.
28.8m book value after 3 years at chelsea.
Kante was our #7 and so was Ramires before him, also a midfielder.
JT was #26, how can you not know that?!
Havertz is a level below Foden-Saka-Palmer. It’s not difficult to see. He’s a good player, not arguing against that, but he doesn’t have that overall quality you find with the 3 players I’ve mentioned. Watching him play for 90 mins week-in-week out, I defended him based on those moments of brilliance that came few and far between. But I knew deep down he wasn’t even on Mount’s level (at his peak), nevermind FSP.
I will say Havertz goals maybe low, but he does come up clutch for them when they need one
We got good deals out of both of them. The more time moves on, the more Chelsea begins to feel like the English version of Real Madrid. More expectations and more competition for places than other clubs. Only exceptional players can handle that (Lampard, Drogba, Palmer)…
Studio looks good
Havertz sale was a shame, there was a great CAM in there, someone to play as a second striker and he would have suited Maresca football. But at the time he simply wasn't what we needed, he wasn't and still isn't a number 9... he is an enigma really, he belongs to a different era of football IMO.
We made good money for Mount and it was a good deal from the owners we I don't regret the owners selling him, Kai wasn't getting the goals at Chelsea so this dropped his value so to get our money back on him is good business we have moved on if you compare kai to our new no10 Palmer we would rather have Cold Palmer 🥶.
I might be alone but I really like what the new management has done. I love that the new wage structure is sustainable and is about building youth talent. I love the fact that they're not looking at these players with sentimentality but as assets and if you don't perform, you're gone. I actually think that the overall quality of football has gone down tremendously over the last 15 years and I think it has everything to do with inflated player values and salaries. The idea that a club can dish out 100 million in a summer transfer window every year is unrealistic and unsustainable, especially when it seems more likely than not that the player will not live up to their price tag. neither player is worth anything close to what we sold them for. I think the football market is poised to see a massive course correction and player values over the next decade because no one can afford to pay $60 million and get less than 25 goals a season.
It's not really the sales except for Connor Gallagher being pushed out,, but the replacement are not any better and in many cases are not near as good if players
I will always have respect for mount and havertz duty here being a part of helping us winning 3 major trophies. I dont see the reason to sit and bully former players
Speaking about captaincy I find it a joke Enzo Fernandez is currently wearing the armband 🤯
Levi looks like a future Captain
I wish Havertz all the best, he’s a nice guy. And I’m not interested in the past, really wish him well and that’s it, Mount? I’m sorry but I never rated Mount. So both subjects are irrelevant to me
I really get Sam Hutchinson vibes from Reece.
I always felt like Kai had bad luck. I recall that he was infected with Covid at least once. One bout of illness seems to have been prolonged and required a long recuperation time. I don’t think he ever recovered his equilibrium, and I think the isolation of not being in Germany while sick was insurmountable. He needed to move for his sake. I always admired his work rate and passion for the game.
Yan my man, is that surfshark offer still running?
I like the more differentiated take.
No doubt 65Million was very much and I thought at the time Arsenal could have gotten him for less and maybe there would have been more of a bidding war if Arsenal havent just met the price tag right away. Nonetheless since january his numbers in assists, goals and every other metric is very impressive and if he plays a full season like this it might be really good.
To Mount: I don`t get the criticism? He was there one season got injured and played in United worst season, its not like the system was working or anything.
And to the Palmer comparison : thats more like a lucky punch like Odegaard for 30Million, Salah for Liverpool wo suddenly exploded etc.
Fair play to him, but its not like everyone waited for this.
On the other hand Fernandez, Caicedo etc are clearly more of the overpaid category .
It goes to show you that a good player can be a great player under the right management
Havertz played half a season at CM, he'd have scored 20 Prem goals if he was at CF.
It baffles me the reason we like to sell to other big teams and rivals
Always loved Reece but now really not sure, not about his talent but his durability.
Mount and Haverz never managed to reach the levels we foreseen them to do. In any case, they are above-average nothing special kind of midfielders, nowadays, which should not cause any headaches for us, because our squad has no place for such players now. Palmer is much better than both.
Got no issues with Kai, always going to remember that night in Porto, he did ok for us. A lot of Arse fans seem to think that we consider him a crap baller, which is weird. He was always a decent player for us, but he was never what we needed, which was a proper number 9, which we had been looking for since Costa. Even Jackson is a better fit than Kai, and for us to get the best part of 70 million for him is a great deal for us. If Arse are happy with him then it's a rare win/win situation surely?
Why’d you change your intro music bruv😭 bring the fuego back
Palmer, Neto, Felix, Nkuku are light years better than mount, havertz, ghallager kind of runners
Palmer's contract is not static. Chelsea's new contract this season was not a favour; it was an activation of a clause. Chelsea literally had no choice but to improve the offer. So also are Nicholas Jackson and a bunch of others.
That is a lie.they inproved it because of their work last season.where did you get that from?always assuming things
@@thetruenigerian2505 Bros, what's with the full confidence in accusations. It's like you are his agent or something, could it be you are?
Ha! 100% Yan. Can't disagree with anything you've said there. 1 x Cole Palmer + 1 x Nicolas Jackson = 1 x Kai Havertz? Lol!
For sure kai has big game mentality and doesn't shrink...I wish we hadn't sold him
Kai did his bit winning us the Champions League, not a Cobham product and got us a good fee and profit on the books, wish him well. Mount like Gallagher wouldnt start in this side and wanted a deal better than offered. Mount is a Pompey fan, Gallagher leaving leaves a sour taste, others did there bit for Chelsea, brought in good money and been replaced
Yes Yan!!
Remember when we sold Kovacic? Kante? HAZAAARD!!!
How did we sell callum hudson odoi for 5 mill. Do we have a buyback clause or something. Hes showing his ability now. Much better than mudryk or sterling
Chopper Harris wore number 6
Jackson over havertz! I know Jackson spurns chances but havertz is worst when it came to chances wasted for Chelsea
For the record: "Havertz" is pronounced with the stress on the "a". Not the "e" the way you pronounce it.
What about the ones who left the league and are doing well?
Don’t know why we’re speaking about harvertz and mount there gone speak about James injuries will he recover the sporting directors signings of poor players😊
Kai havertz is no way better than what we have in Jackson. So it's all win win for both parties.
Maybe just rotate the arm band around for a while until things settle and an obvious player emerges. Agree that all the hoo-ha about Havertz and Mount is gett bit boring. Move on 😄
Stick to FM. Stat merchant, xG merchant, profit and sustainably merchant. You care about every BUT the one thing that matters. On the field success. Don’t forget. As a SUPPORTER, that’s the only thing that matters.
Been shouting for Reece to be sold last season
It’s a shame but Reece James will never be the player he once was, can’t stay fit and we need to replace him asap with someone reliable
Havertz and Mount were in a CL-winning team coached by Tuchel. With the right manager, they can be very good players. I don't believe Chelsea can win the CL anytime soon. The team is full of talented misfits like Sancho, Mudryk and Felix. The data-driven approach is bollocks. The data collected on Mudryk in the Ukraine league was irrelevant to the PL. Chelsea is picking individuals based on dubious stats rather than building a team. The stats don't address psychology. Alex Ferguson wanted winners and would ask other managers and his players about the attitude of players he considered buying. The sporting directors, the manager and Clearlake have never built a successful side. This is the blind leading the blind.
Some players don't have long careers, Gary Shaw won the league at 20 and the CL at 21 and was superb. He was PFA and European young player of the year. He sustained a knee injury and was never the same. Medical treatment has improved since the 1980s but who knows whether Chelsea still employs competent staff. The sporting directors were allegedly trying to blame Poch for the injuries last season. Mount has played for Chelsea since he was 6. Saying he's a Pompey fan is ridiculous and irrelevant. How many of the current team grew up as Chelsea fans?
“Chelsea don’t sell garbage” - Jose Mourinho
im not concerend with haverts or mount nut acting like the ownership didnt do the right thing so far for me just says we just trying to fight the owners
Kai already did for us what he’ll never do for Arsenal 😂 let him enjoy his time in London they got a lot of catching up to do on those European nights ⭐️⭐️ up the blues 💙🥶
Why are we still talking about Kai and Mount? Kai was jever going to make it at Chelsea so if it's "working" at Arsenal then good for him. I will pick Jackson over Kai any day. As for Mount, he wanted a move and he got it, whatever happened after is none of my business.
Yan (and anyone else curious about how these calculations work), book value is basically calculated by taking the original price paid for a player, dividing that figure by the number of years contract length (maxed at 5 now thanks to Master Boehly), then subtracting that annual amount from the original price for each year the player is at the club. So for Havertz, 71MM quid (per Transfermarkt) divided by 5 years is 14.2MM per year. He came to us in the summer of 2020 and stayed until summer 2023, so 3 years. 3 x 14.2MM = 42.6 MM, subtract that from 71MM and you get 28.4MM unamortized balance at the time of sale - the burning off of his fee is the amortization in action.
Surely there are other little tricks here and there to bring that value down a little faster, plus I'm not sure if the 71MM was cash up front or included bonuses, some of which may not have been fully realized. Bet scoring the Champions League Final winner wasn't a bonus trigger, eh? 😂 But anyway, there you have it, more or less.
EDIT: Love the channel, keep it going bro. 🦾🦾🦾
Mount was never going to be a world class midfielder and it baffles me as to how and why people care so much the club is bigger than the players
Havertz was bought to play as a midfielder. He failed at that miserably.
Arsenal were unanimous in agreeing they needed a striker this summer. If they had done that Havertz would be on the bench.
He's completely toilet.
😂😂😂
Couldn’t give a monkeys about Mount and Havertz. They’ve moved on and so have I. James is not captain material, period. His future is very much in doubt IMO. He has defensive lapses in him and his strengths do not fit into the current system but he is a class player who could adapt but he has to be available and he isn’t. Add to that his salary and how good Gusto is, albeit becoming injury prone, and I see James going the way of the Academy money pit. I’m not even sure I’d be so upset if he was sold, assuming it’s a lot and to another country. Of course, he’d become as fit as a flea for someone else, unless he does a Hazard.
Havertz pen taker = less goal contributions than Jackson in his first season lmao
Case closed
What was the point of bringing up Pulisic when he’s clearly a good player who had some injuries issues along with also playing out of position at Chelsea? Let’s compare Pulisic’s injury record and productivity since he left Chelsea to Kai Haverts, Mason Mount, Reece James & Chillwell and it’s NOT EVEN CLOSE who’s doing better. The only player doing something is Kai Haverts. The English & European bias is insane how you and others always have excuses for other players and what they’re going through whether it’s injuries or they just plain overrated but not for Pulisic
both harvertz and mount are overrated as footballers , i think they had limitations, just like i thought that galagher had limitations, players like that are just overhyped, take for example mount v col palmer, mount is just a runner and has work rate, cole palmer is a pure baller with pure skill, take lavia vs gallgher, lavia press resistent , ball progression, passing range , football intelligence, gallgher , no football intelligence poor pasiing range , just a runner and tackler just like mount, gallagher winning man of the match just one game doesnt define anything, he will be found out soon for his lack of football intelligence, different games will pose different challenges for players like gallgher and mount, for harvetz i still dont rate him, i think he is a youtube footballer. pure ballers , like de bryne , jamal musaila , yamal, nico williams , rodri, lavia, bruno fernendes, bruno guimeres palmer, rico lewis adam wharton , these players are hard to find
The money and wages is to important to you. It’s not coming out of your pocket.
Havertz without a doubt is much better than mudryk & Jackson….
When you are mentioning we got palmer for this… what about what we got mudryk for??
You can’t call it one way and ignore it on the other hand.
The club owners can do no wrong by selling Wesley Fofana for a world class CB.
Yan, it’s been over a year since these guys are gone. Let people dislike who they want. The Mount family were obviously briefing you and Goldberg on one side of the story when it was happening and we had to listen their propaganda every episode. But there is always two sides to every story. I also just don’t know why we have to revisit this.
I think Reece can be very vocal. He just hasn’t played enough to be able to speak. Wish he comes back stronger 🙏🏿
Mount is burnt out.we overplayed him...united are welcome to him
Levi should be captain .so that by the time his 22 his like jt