The best thing about these Eizos is that they can display 800x600 with actual integer scaling. I have the similar but older CG210 and the 800x600 is tack sharp on it.
Really cool video, thanks! I have 3 eizo flexscans, 2 white ones and the same Black one as you have. I've bought them a couple of years ago for 10 euro each. Prices are rising now retro gamers are realising how good they are. Amazing colour display, 4:3, display port, VGA and DVI. They are simply amazing
*How's the ghosting and motion resolution??* We cannot refer to a piece of tech as "CRT Killer" without impeccable handling of motion, and now only certain OLEDs come close
Hehe, it's a real gem! I'm still using 2 Eizo S2100 on my main workstation as side monitors, in portrait mode. The main monitor has been upgraded several times but the Eizos still remain. Not used for gaming, but for viewing pdfs, working on excel, docs or just opening webpages. Real workhorses, I bought them used for peanuts about 10 years ago, used them daily and they are still going strong. As a matter of fact, I prefer working ok white background documents on them compared to my main 2k central monitor which has a LED backlight and is cooler no matter the settings. I've still got one as a spare, I guess I'll try some retro gaming. Master of Magic from 1994 with dosbox, yeah baby!!!! Thanks for the video!!!
I think what you really want is a VGA capture Card or Box. Those are plugged between your monitor and pc and you can record on a second pc or such then. You get original video quality without filming a screen
Nice. I have Dell 2007FPB for my LCD needs. I use it with my "Ultimate" XP PC. Its a nice monitor. Though old now and prone to power supply failure. It is quite sought-after by the retro community and arcade machine builders. I have a 15" 1024x768 LCD for my "Ultimate" Win98 PC, but I use 20" CRT for my older machines.😂
2007fpb. I want to pick one of these up and compare side by side to the Eizo. I probably could have just gone for one of those but sometimes you have to spoil yourself.
@alwaysobsolete I have three of the 2007fpb. Though one has dead power supply and one has noisy VGA input. So, only one good one. Could probably mix parts to turn the two non-working ones into a working one. My point being, that you shouldn't spend a lot of money on these old screens unless you know how to fix them if they stop working. It's sad that 4:3 aspect ratio is niche now, and getting a new panel is extremely expensive.
I bought an new old stock 2007FPB IPS a couple years back and use it on my Win XP builds over DVI. I find it clear and bright with decent colours. Are they the best, probably not, but I like it. The Eizo are definitely next level but so is the price. The only thing with the 2007FPB is that it apparently converts everything to 60hz regardless of what you put into it, so for DOS 70hz stuff it'll frameskip. How much of an issue this is I don't know because I use CRT for DOS stuff. I'm no expert by any means. Really nice monitor there obsolete, and good video too.
@RediscoveringRetro Yeah, I don't use it for DOS. So have not encountered that issue. CRTs are still the best choice if you need support for multiple resolutions and refresh rates.
I used to have 2007FPB monitor. It worked okay,. The IPS display was fantastic however it was badly let down by the non-LED CCFL backlight that degraded over time. I wanted to use it next to my U2412M but the 2007FPB was far too dull to next to it. It was a such a shame. however it was okay on it's own. I sold to someone who happily used it as a solo monitor.
It's cool to see some more new 4x3 displays in the wild. One gem I found recently that you can still find new is the HP E190i. It's a 19" 5x4 IPS screen with dvi, vga, and displayport inputs. Great colors, and halfway decent response time at ~8ms iirc. So many XP games had direct support for 1280x1024 so it works out great for me.
If you're willing to put up with black bars; some 16:10 1920x1200 LCDs can also provide you 1600x1200, but at even lower response times. Plus the added benefit of higher refreshes on lower resolutions on DVI. Plus widescreen when you want/need it.
@@friendlywizard6462 Or the older (but faster) DELL U2410, which also has Component & Composite Video-in. But has CFL backlight that (on this particular model) is murderous on the eyes.
I use a LG Flatron L1753T to emulate games (psone, gamecube and PS2) but also I use it to playe modern games just because I fell so confortable with the 4:3 ratio that even having a 1080p 16:9 165hz I prefer to play on the square monitor
I remember seeing those flat LCDs and thinking they had to be better quality than my CRT. New and sleek is not always better though. Glad I didn't 'upgrade'
I mean, it does look nice (it's an Eizo, after all), but some of your last examples do show some noticeable flicker, so… some more tweaking or post-processing is in order.
That Viewsonic G225F you have is not actually 21", its 20". Most crts always state 22" or 21" in the manual but then say 20" viewable right next to it.
@@nhh12345 I don't believe that because I take pictures of my CRT's all the time and they look way better. Trust me if I could carry an LCD to retro LAN parties it would be a no brainer.
Maybe it just wasn't calibrated? Eizo screens are known for being the most colour-accurate screens in the industry, but maybe that just applies to some of their product ranges, so I can't be 100% sure.
@@Mainyehc I'm sure Eizo makes a fine LCD, but that's not a CRT killer. The Heretic gameplay footage is laughable, looks like a jumbled mess compared to a CRT. And that's not to say I wouldn't pick one up for the right price.
please don't get let your crt go, as good as this panel may be there's just some things a crt can do better, and you would lose the ability to use light gun accessories
The best thing about these Eizos is that they can display 800x600 with actual integer scaling. I have the similar but older CG210 and the 800x600 is tack sharp on it.
Really cool video, thanks! I have 3 eizo flexscans, 2 white ones and the same Black one as you have. I've bought them a couple of years ago for 10 euro each. Prices are rising now retro gamers are realising how good they are. Amazing colour display, 4:3, display port, VGA and DVI. They are simply amazing
1600x1200 is a great LCD resolution for late 98 and XP games
*How's the ghosting and motion resolution??* We cannot refer to a piece of tech as "CRT Killer" without impeccable handling of motion, and now only certain OLEDs come close
Hehe, it's a real gem! I'm still using 2 Eizo S2100 on my main workstation as side monitors, in portrait mode. The main monitor has been upgraded several times but the Eizos still remain. Not used for gaming, but for viewing pdfs, working on excel, docs or just opening webpages. Real workhorses, I bought them used for peanuts about 10 years ago, used them daily and they are still going strong. As a matter of fact, I prefer working ok white background documents on them compared to my main 2k central monitor which has a LED backlight and is cooler no matter the settings. I've still got one as a spare, I guess I'll try some retro gaming. Master of Magic from 1994 with dosbox, yeah baby!!!! Thanks for the video!!!
Thanks! Yeah I'm actually using it more in a dual monitor setup for work. It is my right screen (left is wide) that I use for Excel and SAP Windows.
Can you effectively connect something like a ps2, Gamecube, OG xbox, and so on to this effectively? Sorry, I'm pretty new to this.
Yes with converters to VGA or dvi. Need to be careful with them creating lag though.
@@alwaysobsolete Great! Thank you!
@@iambarnabas_ Bro I'm from Germany, we have experience with that!
I think what you really want is a VGA capture Card or Box. Those are plugged between your monitor and pc and you can record on a second pc or such then. You get original video quality without filming a screen
I have one, I wanted to show how the monitor displays.
Nice. I have Dell 2007FPB for my LCD needs. I use it with my "Ultimate" XP PC. Its a nice monitor. Though old now and prone to power supply failure. It is quite sought-after by the retro community and arcade machine builders. I have a 15" 1024x768 LCD for my "Ultimate" Win98 PC, but I use 20" CRT for my older machines.😂
2007fpb. I want to pick one of these up and compare side by side to the Eizo. I probably could have just gone for one of those but sometimes you have to spoil yourself.
@alwaysobsolete I have three of the 2007fpb. Though one has dead power supply and one has noisy VGA input. So, only one good one. Could probably mix parts to turn the two non-working ones into a working one. My point being, that you shouldn't spend a lot of money on these old screens unless you know how to fix them if they stop working. It's sad that 4:3 aspect ratio is niche now, and getting a new panel is extremely expensive.
I bought an new old stock 2007FPB IPS a couple years back and use it on my Win XP builds over DVI. I find it clear and bright with decent colours. Are they the best, probably not, but I like it. The Eizo are definitely next level but so is the price. The only thing with the 2007FPB is that it apparently converts everything to 60hz regardless of what you put into it, so for DOS 70hz stuff it'll frameskip. How much of an issue this is I don't know because I use CRT for DOS stuff. I'm no expert by any means.
Really nice monitor there obsolete, and good video too.
@RediscoveringRetro Yeah, I don't use it for DOS. So have not encountered that issue. CRTs are still the best choice if you need support for multiple resolutions and refresh rates.
I used to have 2007FPB monitor. It worked okay,. The IPS display was fantastic however it was badly let down by the non-LED CCFL backlight that degraded over time. I wanted to use it next to my U2412M but the 2007FPB was far too dull to next to it. It was a such a shame. however it was okay on it's own. I sold to someone who happily used it as a solo monitor.
Nice monitor, but I disagree. For games older than 2004 I GOTTA use a CRT.
Same
It's cool to see some more new 4x3 displays in the wild. One gem I found recently that you can still find new is the HP E190i. It's a 19" 5x4 IPS screen with dvi, vga, and displayport inputs. Great colors, and halfway decent response time at ~8ms iirc. So many XP games had direct support for 1280x1024 so it works out great for me.
If you're willing to put up with black bars; some 16:10 1920x1200 LCDs can also provide you 1600x1200, but at even lower response times. Plus the added benefit of higher refreshes on lower resolutions on DVI. Plus widescreen when you want/need it.
Yes a Dell U2412M monitor is one of those examples.
@@friendlywizard6462 Or the older (but faster) DELL U2410, which also has Component & Composite Video-in.
But has CFL backlight that (on this particular model) is murderous on the eyes.
Does it support 15khz / 24khz ?
not sure why choose this or crt over oled when oled can do 4:3 ratio just fine and twice the hertz
I use a LG Flatron L1753T to emulate games (psone, gamecube and PS2) but also I use it to playe modern games just because I fell so confortable with the 4:3 ratio that even having a 1080p 16:9 165hz I prefer to play on the square monitor
I remember seeing those flat LCDs and thinking they had to be better quality than my CRT. New and sleek is not always better though. Glad I didn't 'upgrade'
is this led or cfl?
I mean, it does look nice (it's an Eizo, after all), but some of your last examples do show some noticeable flicker, so… some more tweaking or post-processing is in order.
The last few examples are HDMI to Dvi digital input. This can only do 60hz. The flicker is a result of my camera not tweaked to 60hz.
@@alwaysobsolete Ah, I see, hence your comment regarding your eyesight. ;)
How to add the sound. I hooked up my ps3 to it.
Will have to split the audio from HDMI or use the optical out
Pity these monitors never went beyond 21 inch
nice monitor
That Viewsonic G225F you have is not actually 21", its 20". Most crts always state 22" or 21" in the manual but then say 20" viewable right next to it.
I actually don't have that monitor anymore. I am now using an NEC FP 1350x.
But yeah same idea, 22 inch 20 viewable
@@alwaysobsolete Nice, don't see many of those come up where I live, it feels like Iiyama island here
love my widescreen monitors but sometimes i really miss the 4:3 days.
No lcd made before 2015 is even close to crts
Just looking at the 98 desktop I can tell you that's not a CRT killer, The color is all off.
You can't really trust the image from a camera 100%. I bet it looks a bit better IRL.
@@nhh12345 I don't believe that because I take pictures of my CRT's all the time and they look way better. Trust me if I could carry an LCD to retro LAN parties it would be a no brainer.
Maybe it just wasn't calibrated? Eizo screens are known for being the most colour-accurate screens in the industry, but maybe that just applies to some of their product ranges, so I can't be 100% sure.
@@Mainyehc I'm sure Eizo makes a fine LCD, but that's not a CRT killer.
The Heretic gameplay footage is laughable, looks like a jumbled mess compared to a CRT.
And that's not to say I wouldn't pick one up for the right price.
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That is not and will never be a "CRT Killer" by any measurable metric.
Plug a ps2 to it
please don't get let your crt go, as good as this panel may be there's just some things a crt can do better, and you would lose the ability to use light gun accessories
Oh I won't. There are certain games like Silent Hill that are a must on CRT IMO.