NEVER Graft Oranges to a Lemon Tree
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Is it a good idea to graft oranges to a lemon tree? I grafted all of the branches of a lemon tree to oranges and I show my results in this video.
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Great video! I’m very glad to see another video from you. I’ve learnt a lot from your citrus grafting videos. I’ve now grafted many new varieties of citrus and other species. Greetings from the UK!
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One of your best videos! Thanks.
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Dan, I have more than 100 citrus varieties grafted to valencia orange interstocks on multiple rootstocks - and have never once seen a graft chimera. They are vanishingly rare.
And FYI on incompatibility - I have never seen graft incompatibility with valencia/sweet orange interstocks, but plenty with lemon interstock, some with navel interstock, and some with grapefruit interstock. Keep up the good work.
Thank you! From the papers that I linked in the description it sounds like there used to be about a 1 in 800 chance to get a graft chimera when trying to do it. But with some new techniques the odds are much improved, but they use newly sprouted seedlings so it seems that juvenility may be an issue. So I guess the chances of seeing it in a normally grafted tree would be much less likely than 1 in 800.
Fascinating. I have never heard of rootstock affecting fruit, but I don't doubt it. I have heard people claim that they got high-chill fruit to bear, in a low-chill climate, by grafting to low-chill rootstock.
That's interesting. When some citrus varieties are grafted to a flying dragon rootstock, they are less susceptible to a freeze. So the rootstock can also make it possible to grow citrus in colder climates.
I've mixed feeling on this video. It was somehow informative, but not for the reasons I was looking it. It was absolutely disappointing, that it was a video about graft kimera and you had no graft kimera at all to show. The easiest way to have a Kimera, is just get a kimera scion from some collector and graft it. Inducing a kimera by yourself involves lot of grafts, lot of luck (and possibly damaging the apex of the grafts with hydrochloric acid in the hope that will grow some new bud from the callus) . According to your fruit (I'm not a citrus grower, they don't grow well in northern Italy) , I've seen similar oranges in Sicily summer production (that it is usually discarded or given away for free) and really good ones in winter production of the same plants. So I suppose that enough water and cool weather can let your plants make decent or really good oranges even if rootstock is not the proper one.
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback. I decided to change the title and thumbnail of the video based on your comment to reduce the emphasis on that part of the video. The trees that bore the poor quality fruits shown in this video were properly watered and fertilized, so that was not the problem. I don't think water can solve the problem created by a poor rootstock choice.
Thanks for another great video. I see you've got a few comments from the new generation of people who hold beliefs as fact. Crazy times we live in.
Thank you for the comment! I'm glad that you enjoyed it. I was so surprised this morning to see the comments from people confidently telling me that graft chimeras aren't real despite having the authors of scientific papers about graft chimeras prominently displayed in the video with links to the papers in the description!
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So glad to see you post again. Your videos have taught me heaps about citrus over the years.
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Thanks for the very interesting video.
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Great video and well edited. Best citrus info on RUclips!Sadly there are so many fake propagation videos on RUclips and it’s hard to find well researched and experienced content creators like you. Thanks!!
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback. I've noticed those fake propagation videos. It is so bizarre that there are entire channels with nothing but fake propagation videos. I'm sure that many people see videos with millions of views and assume that they will work even though they are fake and won't work at all. I'm planning to experiment with a couple of videos debunking some of those.
@@Fruitmentor The fake ones just get a lot of views and generate money, pathetic. Regarding Chimera, maybe it's possible to harvest the scar tissue and tissue culture it to get a chimera. There is a successful graft Pitahaya chimera that was splice grafted by Wallace Ranch nursery.
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Interesting, I always thought the fruit on the scion will never be influenced by the rootstock. By the way, will a kumquat grafted onto a lemon rootstock have the same bad fruit? I recently grafted a Meiwa onto a Meyer Lemon tree because I didn't know where to buy Trifoliate rootstocks. Thanks
I have a few monster citrus with multiple varieties. But none of them are combos but rather just a tree with different fruits on it. Ive never seen graft chimera before ill have to look into that
Another great video! Thanks! Ordering a few Yuzu scion-wood from CCPP to try to grow it in Puerto Rico.
Thank you! Good luck with the Yuzu grafting! Yuzu is so delicious.
You should definitely try to visit an actual Lab that’s uses CAS 9/CRISPR to edit citrus genes! I don’t know if they have In California, but, in Florida, I’ve been invited to Dr. Manjul Dutts plant genetics lab at UF IFAS Citrus Research and Education Center! You should definitely visit it, they love having visitors and you would love it!
Thank you for the tip! That sounds very interesting!
I appreciate your videos, the editing and scientific discovery and explainations.
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This is so awesome. I've learn so much about rootstock. It must be why my variegated pink lemon have no juice. If I try to graft that into trifoliate rootstock, would it fix the problem?
I don't think that is the problem. I wonder if the tree is getting enough water. I grafted my variegated pink eureka lemon to a lemon-type rootstock. In fact eureka lemons have incompatibility problems with many trifoliate rootstocks.
Bergamot orange?
Bergamot might be an OK thing to graft to a lemon tree. I've grafted a bergamot tree on volkamer lemon rootstock, so I'll see how that does.
Fresh warm compost helps keep them alive during a bug freeze. The soil keeps producing heat. At least enough in Arizona. I've not lost a tree to the cold yet aside from a free freeze when I had covid and was unable to cover them
In hindsight my tree was OK, just the top dead and defoliated. the graft union and many branches made it fine so I should have just pruned it and painted it. Then I would have at least had some nice lemons.
I dont know if you have seen the RUclips video "How Mexico grows Limes on Orange trees" on the Business Insider channel. Its about the changing weather climate in the Veracruz area making it difficult to grow citrus.
Thanks for the comment. I just watched it. Interesting video. It looks like they are grafting the limes to trifoliate rootstocks.
what is the white substance like paint on that tree Dan?
I went into more detail in this video (shows how I did it): ruclips.net/video/hD8ePt6KV-Y/видео.html
But to summarize it is water based latex paint mixed with the same amount of water.
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Thank you for the video. Growing citrus plants are very difficult in my experience. I grew about 20 tangerine plants from seed, it's been 4 years now, none of them have flour yet. I bought a variety of citrus from home depot. One for myself one for my wife. 2 years later, I'm having fruits on my plant, my wife's plant has no fruits and no flowers.
I guess, we should keep trying
You're welcome! If you want to grow citrus fruit, the best bet is to buy a grafted plant. Seedlings can take many many years to flower and depending upon the variety they may turn out to be an undesirable hybrid.
@@Fruitmentoragree. Now that I have the seesling growing for some time they are about 4 feet tall. I was hoping to use them as root stock for grafting.
The CCPP.UCR site has a lot of varieties, and somewhat pricey, but I'll try to see how good I am at grafting before buying budwood from them
Well this was very educational, I had been hoping to root some Myer lemon cuttings and graft satsuma onto it for my own private use. All plants used would be plants already on my property so no disease spreading outside of my property.
This outcome never crossed my mind, I didn't even know it was possible.
I'd recommend just buying a grafted satsuma tree from a reputable nursery.
@@Fruitmentor yeah, that's fair, I'm just use to stuff like figs, Barbados cherry, grapes, etc the other fruits which root so easily. I've had no success with satsuma cuttings, but I have with Myers.
This changed my mind on grafting it however.
It’s time for you to try all of the rootstock fruit you can get your hands on and decide what’s the best.
I don't think I could survive such an experiment! But I do have a future video planned where I taste a rootstock fruit.
C35 is supposed to be pretty good for best flavor mandarins and oranges but I also hear Rich 16-6 can yield even better flavor but it’s not as common. What are your thoughts?
@@Fruitmentor I've tried both normal Poncirus Trifoliata and Flying Dragon fruits and they're bitter, sour and acidic all at once! Oh, and astringent too.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but because I'm interested in biology and plants, I've done a good deal of research of my own. Branches grafted to a rootstock will grow just like they would have on their original stock, plus, depending on the rootstock, will be resistant to pests and diseases. If you think this is unclear or a falsehood, please do your own research and draw your own conclusions.
Your correct!!! Lots of misinformation in this video. Including the bit about root rot. That why doing your own research from multiple sources
Depending on the specific nutrients, proteins, enzymes, and antibodies provided to the scion from the rootstock, and the specific needs, strengths, and weaknesses of the scion, it's easy to imagine that different pairings of rootstock/scion will result in different levels of vigor and fruit quality. The only way to know for sure is to see hard data, which I'm sure many professional citrus growers have access to.
@@charlessingletaryiii331 Really unclear why you think the part about root rot is misinformation, the whole purpose of grafting to rootstock is because scion genetics are not as robust with respect to to disease and weather hardiness. Maybe you can elaborate on your claim and provide some specific data to clarify where you think the misinformation was.
@ethanpayne4116 yes some rootstock may be more resistant to root rot, but over over all it stems from poor soil quality, whether it be in ground or potted.
@@charlessingletaryiii331 or pathogens which is where the resistance part comes in.
Grafting will not result in a new variety, the scion will produce the same fruit as it did before. If you want to make a new variety you cross pollinate the two varieties you want to hybridize.
If you read the scientific papers that I linked in the video description, you will see that grafting does indeed sometimes lead to a new variety called a graft chimera. It is rare, but it does happen. Furthermore, scientists have developed some procedures to make it so that graft chimeras can be induced more readily. Please take a look:
doi.org/10.1186/s12870-019-2173-4
doi.org/10.21273/JASHS.132.3.374
doi.org/10.21273/JASHS.127.1.104
www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jjphytopath1918/60/1/60_1_82/_pdf
...This is entirely incorrect. That's not how any of this works... I'm very sorry to say, when you graft the result will always be that of the tree it was grafted from. It's like a tree transplant. Just because it got an arm from another tree doesn't mean it's going to mix those two trees.
If you want to combine the plants, sure you can graft them both on one tree so it's easier, but you're going to need to ensure that the pollen mixes. So combine the lemon flower pollen, with the orange branch pollen, the result will still be a lemon and an orange, but if you plant the seeds of those, the result will be your mixture.
You seem to be confused, FruitMentor has tons of experience grafting citrus, and Graft-Chimaeras are a well-documented phenomenon. You may be unfamiliar with graft-chimaerism, but it is an entirely different process than crossbreeding
he has his evidence from sources in the info box
only started reading but seems legit so far
If you read the scientific papers that I linked in the video description, you will see that grafting does indeed sometimes lead to a new variety called a graft chimera. It is rare, but it does happen. Furthermore, scientists have developed some procedures to make it so that graft chimeras can be induced more readily. Please take a look:
doi.org/10.1186/s12870-019-2173-4
doi.org/10.21273/JASHS.132.3.374
doi.org/10.21273/JASHS.127.1.104
www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jjphytopath1918/60/1/60_1_82/_pdf
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I'd have to agree with you that the budwood should be less expensive for the sake of reducing the spread of disease. But I disagree with you on the quality. In the cases where my grafts have failed I think it was due to my grafting, not because of poor budwood.
6:40 my comment in the video.wow i can't believe you did the experiment. glad to see the result
Thanks again for your comment! I wouldn't have done that in the video without the comment. I think it will help people with their grafting to see the results!