I'm only about 11 minutes into the lecture and had to stop and ponder what you brought out about the law of gravity. We don't have to know all the reasons and ins and outs of the law of gravity for it to work. That helped me understand that we don't have to know everything about God's laws for them to work and be demonstrable. Instead of feeling we don't know enough about the laws of God we should trust what we do understand. Letting go of fears and doubts helps clear the way for a demonstration of God's laws in action. Philippians 4 says " And the PEACE of God, which PASSETH ALL UNDERSTANDING, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." This was very helpful to me! Thank you so much! I can't wait to hear the rest of the lecture!
All the negative comments below are simply not true. Prayer or meditation(which are the same thing) is the most powerful and harmonious way to become aware of your connection to the one Life. Every individual that has reached spiritual enlightenment, or has an uplifted understanding of the nature of God... has done so through prayer. Therefore, I wouldn't recommend spending your time attacking the beliefs expressed in this lecture above. Instead, close your eyes, become aware of the one Life that is God, and then once you feel that peace from within, feel free to keep on listening. If you can do this, and we are all perfectly capable... you will invite so much harmony into your life. I'm not here defending Christian Science, because there's no need to defend the reality of all things(God)... I truly hope that someone reading this, might learn how to calm there mind and learn how to "pray with certainty".
When one knows the truth and refuses to obey it, he is subject to any lie, any deception, any untruth that man can conjure up. “For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools”
I completely agree Phillip. The starting point of Christian Science is "love God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind." To turn to nothing but the Truth, and to acknowledge no other might nor mind besides God. From this perspective, when you bow down to sin, turn to drugs for healing, turn to error for truth, believe that evil is more powerful than good.... your not aware of the fact that God is the only Truth, the only Life, the only Love, the only Mind. Darkness is simply the absense of light. This was the perspective that Jesus and his disciples had when they healed the sick and raised the dead. They knew that sin, sickness and death have no truth or power over man who was made in the image and likeness of God.
Answer me this.... If there is one God, and the first commandment is true. "Thou shalt have no other God's before me." And your so sure than sin, sickness and death are real.... so God created sin, sickness, and death? God is both good and evil? Or there is a myserious power besides God called evil? So there's two Gods?? Didn't Jesus heal the sick, raise the dead, and reform the sinner, always in direct opposition to material laws? "You can't serve two masters." I encourage you to think on these things. What is God? What is man? Are you material and spiritual? Or are you completely spiritual because there is only one God that is Spirit? And I assure you, this stuff is defenitely in the bible. It's called the new testament. :)
+Scott Strickland All men have sinned and fallen short of gods glory. That includes you, the Pope and Mary Baker. Its by Gods Grace through faith that you are saved matey. The atonement. Yet you continue to live in bondage by believing in this absolute wishy washy nonsense. I know people who are 20 year members at CS whos lives are ruined because of the damage and illusions/delusions they believe in.
I was so glad to have found this lecture! There's an "issue" I've been dealing with for some time now, and earlier today the thing was pretty troublesome. Lately, though, I've "seen some truths about the situation," as Christian Scientists might say, and those truths make LOTS of sense to me, so much so that I've begun to not be so fearful. I've actually felt better about things, even though to my eyes the situation hasn't changed. I decided to give myself the afternoon off from worrying, and instead I listened to this lecture while preparing two peach pies. The message reinforced for me that when we get even an inkling of how good things REALLY ARE because God is good and He is, after all, EVERYTHING, then it's important to persist with understanding-based conviction (love that word!)...bring the worrying down a notch...and bake pies or something. Thanks for youtube-ing Christian Science lectures!
Don't expect a lot from this church, unless the "issue" that you are dealing with is no more serious than the sniffles. All they have to offer you is placebo, confirmation bias, and little old ladies telling tall tales. Reality still exists, even in this crackpot church, so if your "issue" is real, you should look elsewhere. Or you might die, and the practitioner will tell your dead body "there is no death". My mother used to tell me that, and we lived next to a cemetery.
Consciousness survives death. There is truly no death. We are spiritual beings living a physical existence. This physical existence is not truly our home. Read the thousands of nde's and the message they bring back. One of the messages is that we are here to love one another, take care of each other, other sentient beings and the planet. This is the problem with our world today, we have no love, respect, empathy and compassion. If we all lived by these spiritual laws this would be heaven on earth.
The point that you have missed, sfincione2000, is that this IS the very explanation for what have been for millenia called miracles. Without an explanation based upon consistent logic, miracles remain miracles. This lecture is a super simplified presentation of that consistent logic. Christian Science does not at all claim to perform miracles. It performs demonstrations whose explanations lie in spiritual law, not in the material law upon which critics insist that everything must conform to.
Stirling Watts, agains, which spiritual law? this is so Anglo-centric. What I get a kick out of CS believers is they all have these technical interpretations of S&H and think when they finally understand it, they've achieved something. Why does anyone even get credibility to a crazed, delusional woman? MBE? Read about her, she severely diseased, abandoned her only son, mentally unstable and homeless. And one day she rips of Hegelian philosophy and twists it and declares it a religion. Yeah! Makes you all warm and fuzzy, right?
Stirling Watts, no again. and who makes up spiritual law, CS makes it a lawless region. I know what it claims to do and it's bullshit, crap and you are falling for it. Don't. A warning from someone who happily escaped this prison of cultism. Go ahead ignore me, say I am disgruntled, or CS helped me in somE way, knock yourself out trying to gaslight me. But also consider I am trying to warn you about something dangerous and that comes from a place of caring and concern and I don't even know you.
Well then , A lesser Gracie. I guess my entire 65 years of life have been a joke and a lie, because that is how I have successfully handled every single problem in it. But thank you for the warning
@@stirlingwatts Defenisve sarcasm blies notions regarding success. 65 is part of your time line in which "problems" are entirely subjective. But I can guess...You're welcome.
@@jschuler53 You're free to think what youthink just as I am fee to think what I think. Why the superiority complex? We are all free to make decisions for our own selves. How about you make yours for you, and I will make mine for me? I have no problems with your choice for yourself. They are great decisons.....for YOU. Your life is not my business. Neither are the personal choices of any OTHER human being, other than yourself, YOUR business.
I am a Christian scientist and advocate of christian science I can proudly say that christian science is practical,operative and understandable I have seen healing In this christ method of healing by subordinating the human to the divine meaning dropping any personal,carnally mortal sense from consciousness and allowing christ the manifestation of God that comes to the flesh mortal conscious to destroy incarnate error. I embody this truth to show by reflection. I portal at malicious animal magnetism. I understand the public comments come from lack of understanding of this science mortal mind is confounded of who God is. I pray for all to unarrest your self from ignorance and gain understanding.
When one knows the truth and refuses to obey it, he is subject to any lie, any deception, any untruth that man can conjure up. “For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools”
+Phillip Ring Christian science resolve things into thoughts by exchanging the object of sense to the ideas of soul. We are exchanging the mortal view for the spiritual.with our conscious capacity to understand the divine Mind we are able to reason between truth and error
+tharesis mcnealy . You obviously cant discern Biblical truth from Error. Like I said you follow a false doctrine other than that of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
One day you will be disappointed by the empty promises of CS. If you are a believer in this garbage, then you deserve it, but I hope you spare your kids.
I am currently studying this belief system to further understand it, so I might be able to understand a person coming from this belief system. I have been a pearl collector since the age of 10 (speaking of acknowledging a Truth when it is presented to me). I can only safely learn about other belief systems and gather pearls from them because I am firmly established on the Rock of my salvation, Jesus Christ the Anointed One. Remember brothers and sisters, we do not worship ink on pages (idolators do that), we worship the Spirit that reveals the TRUTH to us. Watch "When Life Throws You Punches"
Big Myke. be careful...yeah it's initially fascinating bc they are using Hegelian metaphysical philosophy and talking philosophy is always cool. but wait until they start telling you how to apply an impossible goal for its followers. you will die before your time and leave your children in pain.
@@lightworker4813 I know. I always have cherished the absurd, and my most cherished quality: goofiness. Glad to give you a laugh. If I believed in a god it would be Humor. it shall show us the way, and set us free.
Thank you Kevin for this wonderful lecture.keep up the great work .I get so much from your lectures courage and strength to keep pushing forward for Truth and Love .And Reality!! Thank you so much!
I'd like to add that when Jesus told the man to take up his bed and walk, he first asked him if he even wanted to (walk). This seems like an obvious question but perhaps Jesus put it in a way that the man had never considered. I assume there was more to it than just the spoken question, ...like voice inflection, a look in his eyes and other subtle body language movements, which I also assume would come naturally for someone like Jesus who apparently carried a perspective and or level of awareness that would make all that come quite naturally, like the time I accidentally winked at a judge during court. Had I not been sincere, she would have known it and my you know what would have been thrown under the jail. As it turned out, she ended up respecting me more for it. Long story. Good outcome.
In prayer: I would add the word "resonance". It is possible to pray without ceasing. I began to train myself to do this by not saying Amen at the end of a prayer but instead tried to stay in the spirit of prayer indefinitely after praying each time. It gives you a vibration feeling that to me feels like walking in truth.
Jeffrey Nelson Well, you know what they say, "If you're not having fun then you're not doing it right.". Personally, I like spending time with the creator of the universe. And as far as video games go, I actually see this world as one big video game, but in this game the stakes are real. Thanks for your help.
***** Which of the about 4,000 "creators of the universe" do you believe in? There are at least 4,000 monotheistic gods known, I am guessing that you buy into the one that you were born into. Why not Zeus? or Apollo? or Thor?, or Krishna? they are equally believable (which is to say not at all believable). One day your god will be extinct and a new one will be invented. If you want to learn about the universe try Neil deGrasse Tyson's Cosmos series, take god and superstition out of it and it is much more impressive and interesting than anything in your holy books.
Angel Jonas Some people will never understand it. If everyone understood it there wouldn't be any need for CS or any religion. In fact if everyone had gotten it during Jesus's time there wouldn't have been any reason for the lessons he gave us, that MBE explains and reinforces.
@@jamiemalokas3693 How do you justify the DEAD and permanently MAIMED children? But of course, you don't believe death or disability exists, so it is easy for you sociopaths to just ignore their suffering and death. Thankfully, 2/3 of people born into this cult leave and very few convert. It is a DYING religion.
@@goodgirlkay If you don't believe in Jesus, that he could heal, or when he said 'all I do you can do and more', that is your business. Christian Science has never maimed any children. They are allowed to seek medical help if they want. It is a choice, not a hard and set restriction.
My Mother neglected to take me to the doctor or emergency room,while at the age of 6 suffering with Double Pneumonia and a 104 degree fever!!!!!! And my doctor told my Mother that she would of brought me in sooner! I was so delirious and burning up, that perhaps, that's why I continue to have Chronic Migraine Headaches and Asthma!! Try again!!!! 😠
@@lightworker4813 Do you feel better having said that to me? A committed CS would NEVER say such words. NEVER. I know the vocab you have an arrogant ill informed dis to me personally. That's an ignorant way to try to learn about something you don't understand.
@@lightworker4813 I suggest you think really hard about why you are arguing with some anonymous person on the comment section under some CS lecture whatnot. What do you even care what I think. I refuse to respond to your pointless comments that use the ad hominem logical phallacy, so I remove myself from something that was about on the video to what is now something you've made about me--without my permission, unilaterally.
The departure of the saved will happen in a few year's, then 70 year's of hell on earth will happen before Jesus fights and wins the battle of Armageddon after this 10000 year's living on earth with Jesus in control Salvation is faith alone in jesus
And another thing the reason its called a science because its universal laws that can be applied in the human experience. Christian science don't exclude the body science and health says you are the embodiment of all right ideals 2 Corinthians 6:20 so in other words you are dropping the carnal mind, false material sense, or fleshly mind from the human consciousness and letting in the Christ the manifestation of god that comes to the flesh to destroy incarnate error. the human consciousness is the relative comparison. once you admit the only conclusion in your thought as the divine Mind is the only mind you will see healing, regeneration, and a change in bodily condition. Understand that you are the individual conscious being or existence made in the image and likeness of God sorry for the misspelling
I understand the you feel about christian science. But your perspective is nothing more then a personal sense carnally reason from mortal belief not the spiritual sense. First and far most christian science is a science but not from the material sense (mortal sense) its the understanding of the universal laws that can be applied in the human experience. I highly recommend you ask the divine Mind,the all knowing for wisdom and understanding. God bless you
I understand the way you feel about christian science. But your perspective is nothing more then a personal sense carnally reason from mortal belief not the spiritual sense. First and far most christian science is a science but not from the material sense (mortal sense) its the understanding of the universal laws that can be applied in the human experience. I highly recommend you ask the divine Mind,the all knowing for wisdom and understanding. God bless you
Christian Science (Eddyism) Founder: Mary Baker Eddy Overview The only thing Christian about Christian Science is the name itself. The beliefs of Mary Eddy are so far removed from the Bible that it seems like she is in her own world. The idea of Christian Science came in 1866 when Mary said she discovered the "Science of metaphysical healing". She organized it in 1879 and it was founded on her book, "Science and Health (with Key to the Scriptures)" the last part of the title was added later. She claims to have received divine revelation in writing this book but not believing in a personal God; it makes one wonder how could she then get divine revelation? Mary simply took eastern mysticism (e.g., Hinduism) and pantheism (all is God) and called it Christian Science. The lure to draw people in was to call it "Christian" Science because people living in the United States even if they didn't like Christianity, still had strong roots to it. Mary Eddy said at one point, "I have marveled at the press and pulpit's patience with me, when I have taken away their Lord." Cult Beliefs Christian Science claims to be a Christian church and sings evangelical hymns and reads the Bible - HOWEVER, they read the Bible in light of "Science and Health". If they read something in "Science and Health" and it contradicts the Bible, it automatically overrides it. The believe there is no such thing as sin, it is an illusion. They believe there is no such thing as sickness, it also is an illusion. They believe that sick people must be convinced that they are not sick, then they will get well, since sickness is an illusion and doesn't really exist. There is no such thing as death, a person gets old and dies because they believe that is what is supposed to happen. This stems from the fact that they believe that the whole universe is an illusion. Their god is not the personal God of the Bible. Everything is god and god is good. Therefore, there is no sin, disease, or death because all is god and god is good. The whole universe is falsehood - an illusion. They claim that there is healing from Christian Science. Their method of healing is denying the disease itself, e.g., "I am not sick. I do not have cancer." This is not prayer but simply talking out loud to yourself. In fact, Christian Science says that prayer to a personal God is a hindrance. The believe women can become pregnant by a supreme effort of their own minds, a man is not needed for procreation. Man is not made of the dust of the earth as in Genesis 2 because matter doesn't exist - therefore Mrs. Eddy calls Genesis 2, "a lie". They take her word over the Bible. They believe that Jesus is not God, he was the highest human concept of the perfect man, but not to be worshipped. They believe that Jesus was never tempted by the devil. Eddy says, "He was tempted by the false beliefs in His own mind." They believe that Jesus never died because death does not exist, He just thought He was dead. They believe the blood of Jesus has no atoning value and since sin is an illusion we are not guilty. They believe that salvation is deliverance from delusion and entrance into Christian Science.
A Catholic asks the Christian Scientist: We know ourselves through _knowing_ history. Some great question(s) regarding Christian history: *How* does a Christian Scientist know that all 27 books of the New Testament are God's Written Word, and that no books have been left out that should be included (out of some 300+ early Christian writings) *Who* decided which books were, and were not scripture? *What* authority do they defer to, to have decided? *When* did they do so? *Where* did they do so? *Why* did they do so? And... all Christians agree that the _writers_ of scripture were led by the Holy Spirit. Does it make sense that that God also led men to know which writings were scripture?
As I said, sfincione2000, I was wasting my breath but will waste it just a little bit more: You are free to believe that my life and the lives of many others also daily helped by changing their view from the conventional to the spiritual,are untrue. Your disbelief has really nothing at all to do with the goodness I experience in my life. I will go on experiencing it anyway and you can continue to disbelieve. And we can all be happy. God (or whatever you believe in) blesses you either way..
Stirling Watts, which god are you talking about? there are thousands of gods...Zeus? Allah? We can all be happy, really? If being delusional makes you happy and makes you feel safe, there is nothing that will change your mind. You can be happy without faith, god, being an atheist. Just be a good person. Duh.
@@jschuler53 please don't say "duhh," as it's a hurtful word no matter how or who you believe in. I have challenged(more than you).adult children and I will pray for you and also to see you as Jesus taught us, in your true form you are whole. The devil (evil) and the lie of matter is responsible for the appearance of disharmony leading to disease and death. Jesus raised the dead and said Greater works than these would we do!
@@tamaralane3518 GODDAMMIT DON'T PRAY FOR ME. That's an insult. Put down the Santa Science bong and go to the corner and think about what you just said. Is the devil evil? Wow, I need to go back to delusional school, aka The Mother Church. Have fun storming your own death.
@@tamaralane3518 It is clear to me that you will never get it. You will never get that the real lie is CS. Matter is just that. By using matter in your context, calling it a lie, you are making matter a hurtful word. think about context. And moreover, think about what really motivated you to go into CS to begin with. What attracted you? Some interesting ideas? That they say they can solve your problems? You may think you have experienced a demonstration? All of the above? Last resort? I get it. But, heed these words: GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN>. It is a cult. A dangerous cult. It should be disbanded. It is a dying religion.
@@jschuler53 you're obviously the delusional one and I don't blame my problems on others or try to judge them spiritually, as that's why we each should have our own personal relationship with Jesus the Christ to learn tolerance. So I take back the delusional comment. I would never take His name in vain, and perhaps you are correct that cs is dying as a religion, but all religions in the end are dying as He comes to be the true Church, until then, we're all found lacking by some even God-- Revelations to the seven churches. God loves us all every single one because He is Love. He didn't want us to suffer-- even you who seek out followers of God to point your finger and curse the God you're saying (I think) I'll never get? I have loved God and felt His presence since I was a toddler and I simply believe and accept as true what I know is true. Sometimes we're blinded by the very things we think we see or don't see. I prayed recently to try and care more for the stranger to receive Him and lol, I guess in a way He answered my prayer with you! If I can pray for you who just cursed at me, put me down as if I will never get "it" then, I know I've been obedient to Heavenly Father. Jesus said how can a house be divided against itself? I've seen and received healings after my thought life improved because He also said "as a man thinketh, so is he." When I have error in my thought life or mind and soul, of course the body will probably manifest it. Would I give a religion everything I own or try to speak dress etc to be member? Of course not. That's insulting more than my intelligence because Holy Spirit is my guide as I allow Him. You should absolutely be taken off the forum for taking His name in vain. God bless. For when anyone treats me bad for telling the Truth about God I'm blessed. You don't have the power to hurt the creator of the universe by taking His name in vain, but I'm sure God's got a great reason to not do it. Some things should be accepted on blind faith, friend. And I pray if felt led to or if asked, I do not answer to you who are in the world about my prayer life.
I feel all religions lead to the same higher source that created us for a purpose. Nothing happens for a coincidence, things happen for a reason. If science teaches us anything, it teaches that we are all made up of energy and matter; so we are all somehow connected because of God!
Just an observation, people who follow Christian Science believe that prayer alone heals. Why does Kevin then wear glasses? I mean doesn't that alone go against their beliefs? Wouldn't they believe that if they prayed hard enough then his vision would return? Or maybe God gave knowledge to be passed down and this allows healing to come from Doctors?
maybe he is gaining more faith each day. it's the ideal, not a reality in most lives. but still good to have an ideal, a goal. some healing does take place.
Modern_Patriot...they have these exceptions--you can get glasses, go to a dentist, and get a broken bone put in a cast--not considered to be true states of distress.
They're delusional psychopaths. Mary Baker Eddy was nuts. Certifiable. Gave up her own son. Always sick. Horrible life. Claimed The Heavens wrote her Science and Health. A Divine Hand-guided her hand and that's how it came to be. Delusions of grandeur. It's amazing who will follow someone who says they have the solution to your problems even without you telling them your problems. It's a rhetorical skill and so powerful Hitler got a whole Nazi Party to murder. He was that persuasive. People organized a whole religion around this. More than that, it was a way of life. I know, I was brought up in it big time. Adventure Unlimited, The camps, the college Orgs, church three times a week. This "religion" cult attracts desperate people who are usually on the intelligent or inquisitive side--so they have another reason to justify their engagement with this nonsense.
@@CharlesCoderre-yv1cu I didn't know about that but it wouldn't surprise me. I think Hitler is a good comparison because he got people to murder others. MBE got people to just kill themselves...because "they didn't get it" in time. Someone ought to shut down that horrible cult. Anytime one person starts a religion, that's a big fat reg flag. Anytime followers would rather be good followers than live, that is criminal activity.
Even though I was brought up as a student of Christian Science, I could never get those two words to come together. There are some of the things the lecturer said I agree with. Still the words Christian Science go together like Army Intelligence.
Christian Science teaches that sin is an illusion. The Bible teaches that freedom from sin can only be found through faith in Jesus Christ, which is made possible by his sacrificial death. (see John 3:15-16; 5:24; 11:25; 12:46; 20:31) So Christian Science doesn't exactly vibe with the teachings of Jesus. NO WHERE in the Bible is sin ever referred to as an illusion.
@@c-doga9579 totally delusional path. If you can actually follow the argument of CS to it's logical conclusion (if it had one) it still would make no sense. It sets people up for an impossible goal. to realize perfection in your lifetime because there is no death so you just keep trying to realize this perfection for infinity. It should never have become a religion. I grew up in it and it is outright dangerous. It should be abolished.
Bob Young when Jesus said deny yourself and follow me he meant deny who you thought you where, the old self, the not so good enough self, the sinner, the things we learned from our society and follow his example of love so you may come back to the light of who you truly are and what God called you to be. We just need to learn how to see beyond the words and into the spirit. Not everything is meant to be black and white by the book like that.
Years ago, I studied CS and attended a local church with a focused eye as to the validity of CS claims. After closely examining the local congregation, I never ever saw one member who had "perfected" CS to the extent of either being healed or of living disease free. Every malady known to man, these people exhibited. There are some people who are hyper suggestible who when given a premise they "believe in" can effect what CS claims. These cases are rare indeed. What I saw was a group of people who pretended to practice CS dogma but could never "demonstrate" the miracles that Ms. Eddy (author of CS) insists are attainable by applying CS principles to their lives. And more to the point, this group would falsely claim CS benefits when no benefits existed in reality. CS demands that one renounce material reality as an illusion. This tenet of CS is one of its major errors.
Uriah Peep I was born and raised in Christian Science. Your observation is correct, but it is even worse than that. When I was young I saw Christian Scientists allowing their children to suffer thru treatable illnesses (including me) without medicine that could have helped. If the child eventually gets well it was treated as a miracle and evidence that CS works. If someone dies you hear "but there is no death". Christian Science is dangerous delusional bullshit. I would like to be on the jury in a trial of a CS parent that allowed his child to die on the alter of his faith, I would throw the book at him.
+Jeffrey Nelson If it is delusional bullshit why did you go on youtube and look up a cs video. Is it so hard to keep a comment to yourself and respect other peoples beliefs or do you feel you need to search a cs video in hopes to find other hurtful comments to feel important and not left all alone in your attitude towards cs?
+Jonathan DELL Because as a child I suffered through problems that could have been treated with proper medical science, and a childhood friend of mine died for lack of real treatment. Now I ask you: if your child is sick will you allow him to suffer, or will you provide real treatment? If you will allow your child to suffer and possibly die under the "treatment" of CS practitioners when medical treatment is available, then you are beneath contempt. You wishes, beliefs, prayers, expectations DO NOT change reality. Read this: "The Christian Science Holocaust October 2001 by Gerald Bergman, PhD Many modern religions make specific claims which are incongruent with reality and the results of scientific research. One of the best examples is religion-motivated medical neglect which in one church congregation alone resulted in the death of at least 64 children from 1975 to 1995 (Asser and Swan, 1998). Many churches teach that to use medical care is a violation of God’s law, although the record of religion caused medical deaths is probably held by the Christian Science Church founded by Mary Baker Eddy over a century ago. No one knows how many persons have died prematurely as a result of rejecting medicine on religious grounds, but the number is likely in the tens-of-thousands. Ms. Eddy claimed her church’s bible called Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures was co-authored by her and God. Historians, though, attribute many of her ideas to a man that she once worked with and studied under, Phineas P. Quimby (Milmine, 1971). Quimby was an uneducated clock maker who eventually became a mesmerist and a faith healer of sorts. He once traveled around the country in a covered wagon selling a cure-all today derisively called snake oil (Sikorsky, 1979). He later concluded that neither his nor anyone else’s medicine heals because only the mind heals, and soon started lecturing on “the power of the mind” to heal."
Jeffrey Nelson I understand your reasoning and your unfortunate experience but medical treatment has caused more death than any other cause. We've all seen drug commercials. Half the time the commercial is all side affect information. There have been studies of people feeling better after have been given fake or empty medicine. There will never ever be a day in the future ever where medical treatment is gauranteed to help no matter how far technology has avanced. There will always be new diseases to keep that industry going because worry is good for profits. Jeff do me a favor, everytime you see or hear a drug commercial mute it. Yours and my health are not determined by drugs made in a factory for the benefit of stockholders. Im sorry for your loss those years ago
Christian Scientists as a group are some of the most loving and spiritual people that I've ever known. It breaks my heart to know that they've been deceived so by MBE. For though it's true that the bible was her sole source of inspiration, she lied to mankind was she didn't tell the whole story, that Jesus died for US. For it is not until you fall to your knees after reading John 3:16, that you will know the true meaning of being a perfect child of God. I pray for you all.
I'm very happy that you overcame what illness or trouble you had. And I don't want to take your faith away because I don't believe it. If this is what you believe, then that's perfectly fine and I respect your decision. All I'm saying is that just because we are not capable of explaining something today does not mean that in 50 or 100 year we still won't. Have you seen the exponential increase in technology in the last 30 or so years? Project that forward and think how our understanding will be.
With ncreased technology so has the world experienced more health çare problems. The serpent said your eyes will be opened and you will be like God's knowing good and bad Since then there has been no rest for mankind as we lost the innocence God wanted us to maintain.
uh huh..... as a child I had to stand by and watch my friend pray for his father instead of taking the man to the hospital for a much needed and relatively simple operation. Needless to say, the man died. Oh yea.... I forgot... he probably had some 'negative thoughts' and brought the whole thing on himself. Right. Tell that to my friend who KNEW at the time that the whole thing was bullshit but was forced to participate in the manslaughter of his own father.
Kent Fletcher But remember in the bullshit CS religion "there is no death", or "he wasn't ready for a healing" or he "did not understand the faith" lots of excuses for failure, but it is never the church or its dogma. I abandoned it when I was about 20 and never looked back. I am just glad that I did not contract polio or some other childhood disease because I was never inoculated until in the army.
@Maija hahaha at least medical science gave them a chance. The death to succes ratio from cs is much higher than going to the hospital considering how small cs is
The book Science and Health is equally about overcoming sin in our lives, transforming our character The more pure our thoughts the more we can love and reflect God.❤ Go
@Geoff G I'm merely making an observation. He's making lots of claims about the "reliable effectiveness" and "repeatability" of "Christian Science Healing." However, why should anyone take these claims seriously when he's wearing eye glasses? If he knows a reliable, effective and repeatable way to heal various infirmities, why wouldn't he "heal" his eye sight? Who knows, maybe he likes wearing glasses? But he shouldn't expect anyone to take his claims seriously... That's like wearing a cast on your arm while making the same claims. Ridiculous.
I think the verse you quoted is referring to the unity of believers and God's omniscience. It would be a severe misrepresentation of the text to say that Paul is teaching pantheism. Evil is simply moral rebellion against God. When we sin or rebel against God, we are not creating anything new but simply failing to live up to God's perfect standard. Sin in not an illusion but a specific action taken against God, which is made possible by His gift of free will.
"it is said in the Bible that God is all" Could you cite a scripture reference for that statement please? Because when you read Genesis (and throughout the Bible in fact) it seems there is always a clear distinction between the Creator and creation. As for evil, I think it lacks substance, but that's not to say that it doesn't infect every area of our being.
If CS healing works, why not heal the bald guy so he doesn't need the ridiculous comb over? And why does the CS practitioner wear glasses? Can't pray away your vision problem?
@@c-doga9579 "Neither can you heal yourself". I don't claim to have magical healing powers like the CS practitioners claim to have. So, what point are you making?
@@jeffreynelson2660 How do you know CS doesn't work for some people? You really can't know. You see one man with a balding head and assume that CS doesn't work for anyone at all.
+Mr. Gerbik Or cry in despair at the stupidity of these people. The practitioners will advise parents to withhold medical treatment from their children, and sometimes children suffer and even die as a result. Fortunately the courts are beginning to respond. Read these: Christian Scientists Found Liable in Death www.nytimes.com/1993/08/19/us/christian-scientists-found-liable-in-death.html Supreme Court Roundup; Christian Scientists Rebuffed in Ruling By Supreme Court www.nytimes.com/1996/01/23/us/supreme-court-roundup-christian-scientists-rebuffed-in-ruling-by-supreme-court.html The Christian Science Holocaust by Gerald Bergman, PhD The Origin and Current Status of Christian Science by Stephen Barrett, MD Suffering Children and Christian Science Church www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/xsci/suffer.htm
+Jeffrey Nelson Christian science is based off the premises of prayer and god. lack of understanding of divine principle can result in one not exercising proper healing. but I prayer for my christian science soldiers in christ. about answer regarding lack of healing christian science look at the failures in medical practices that was a failure and surgery. so Mr Jeff your hypnotic suggestion goes back to your mortal belief about christian science stand portal in apologetics to your comment. Divine Love will always win
+tharesis mcnealy "garbage in, garbage out" one said about computers. It also works for religion. Your basic premise is wrong, your conclusions will be wrong. The "premises of prayer and god etc" are NOT substantiated and have no evidence to support them Consequently what you have is nothing more than one of thousands of religions and it has nothing to do with science. Your comparison with medical science is not valid, just a red herring. Real science (as opposed to "Christian Science") does not pretend to have the guidance of an infinitely powerful and all knowing being. So, try explaining the lack of healings when your god of love does not act. Try to explain the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami of ten years ago that killed a quarter of million people. Why did your all knowing god not design the techtonic plates to slip smoothly rather than lock then sudden release energy resulting in 9 point earthquakes and monster waves? And if god could not stop this from happening why did your all loving god not warn people to get to high ground? "Divine love will always win"??? bullshit bullshit bullshit. Your god is phony.
+Jeffrey Nelson I see that you have a negative connotation about how or what God is. God is the governor of perpetual motion and all formation. And translating the negative objection to the divine by reflection. In regards to your statement about the flood divine principle was cleaning the earth and purifying it with truth. On the contrary I understand that my argument is against mortal suggestion which is ignorance of who God. I see the reflection of love in you in wanted to know of this great all inclusive intelligence mind. I challenge you to drop you mortal self which is your personal sense and let your conscious receive the ultimate truth so that you may be set free. otherwise you going to live in disappointment of mortally
I am so sorry this Cult is still going on. I was raised as a christian scientist, I broke my fractured my arm when i was 9yrs old and my grandmother cut the bandage side off and said god will heal you. I had to put on a brave face for my grandmother with a fractured arm for a yr. My grandmother was a member for decades, she had a christian science practioner by her bedside the day she died. She stopped eating and drinking cause of her dementia and alziemer's. Wth was god to heal her? LIARS!
Chickee Xandar, you are another who was raised in this Cult who now denounces the horrors all of us who were raised in CS witnessed. It is deadly. It is a dying religion, and S&H is absolutely convoluted written by an unstable homeless woman. I am sorry you had to endure you fractured arm without help, and to see your grandmother's sad end of life . I lost my mother to this cult. Her death could have been avoided.
One other thing: you say its (that should be "it's") a science because it's knowledge reduce(d) to a law (or laws more correctly). The problem with this statement (aside from the grammar) is that you are making the assumption that what you "know" is axiomatic, but in reality it is NOT. You probably don't know what that means but that's what Google is for.
I honestly do not know where to begin replying to this. Aside from the total absence of grammar, the message make no sense whatsoever. Maybe you're not a native English speaker so if this is the case I can excuse the unfortunately low standard, but if not, then maybe you should read some books written in the contemporary world instead of the bible for a while to improve your diction.
Science is the opposite of religion and there are no common grounds between them. You cannot be serious using the word science to explain prayers, superstitions and other dogmatic beliefs in general.
Unfortunately there is no basis for the foundations on which he builds this pseudo-science. There's an assumption. That's all. And it doesn't take us well beyond clinical research. He can say it in his nice sweet voice all he wants but it's still circumstantial. Miracles, or what they thought were miracles, have happened since the dawn of time but one by one we have realised that these miracles have explanations. The difference between this and real science is that real science makes progress.
Michael Schwartzberg Yes they do believe in this garbage. And I did for the first 18 or 20 years of my life. But no longer. My mother, and avid CS believer told me the amazing story of Mary Baker Eddy falling on the ice. She was told by a doctor that her injury was terminal. MBE prayed and was healed, and that lead her to discover the "principals" of CS. One of those is that medical science is bogus and ineffective and a lie. So, I asked my mother if the prognosis of the doctor that told her she had a terminal injury was bogus and a lie, in which case MBE's entire premise of CS healing was based on this lie. My mother was thoroughly pissed off at this and wouldn't talk to me for awhile. It was the beginning of the end of my faith.
Christ Science people do not know or trust the Word of God, if they did they would realize that they fall into the same category of all other pagan faiths. For thousands of years, God has been performing miracles and healing through non-believers - this is a fact. God Himself says that many will perform healing and miracles in His name but will still not be known to Him. Therefore, healing and miracles does not equate to knowing God. Christ is able to forgive sin, which no person is able to do. This is what separates man from God (creation from creator). Don't forget that Christ was murdered, not for performing miracles but for forgiving sin. It's wonderful that many have been healed through Christ science people but it's a tragedy that they will be among the many who will be rejected by God because they refuse to accept Christ as God. Lucifer is the master liar and deceiver, try not be fooled by the many traps that he has laid out before you.
I'm only about 11 minutes into the lecture and had to stop and ponder what you brought out about the law of gravity. We don't have to know all the reasons and ins and outs of the law of gravity for it to work. That helped me understand that we don't have to know everything about God's laws for them to work and be demonstrable. Instead of feeling we don't know enough about the laws of God we should trust what we do understand. Letting go of fears and doubts helps clear the way for a demonstration of God's laws in action. Philippians 4 says " And the PEACE of God, which PASSETH ALL UNDERSTANDING, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." This was very helpful to me! Thank you so much! I can't wait to hear the rest of the lecture!
All the negative comments below are simply not true. Prayer or meditation(which are the same thing) is the most powerful and harmonious way to become aware of your connection to the one Life. Every individual that has reached spiritual enlightenment, or has an uplifted understanding of the nature of God... has done so through prayer. Therefore, I wouldn't recommend spending your time attacking the beliefs expressed in this lecture above. Instead, close your eyes, become aware of the one Life that is God, and then once you feel that peace from within, feel free to keep on listening. If you can do this, and we are all perfectly capable... you will invite so much harmony into your life. I'm not here defending Christian Science, because there's no need to defend the reality of all things(God)... I truly hope that someone reading this, might learn how to calm there mind and learn how to "pray with certainty".
When one knows the truth and refuses to obey it, he is subject to any lie, any deception, any untruth that man can conjure up. “For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools”
I completely agree Phillip. The starting point of Christian Science is "love God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind." To turn to nothing but the Truth, and to acknowledge no other might nor mind besides God. From this perspective, when you bow down to sin, turn to drugs for healing, turn to error for truth, believe that evil is more powerful than good.... your not aware of the fact that God is the only Truth, the only Life, the only Love, the only Mind. Darkness is simply the absense of light. This was the perspective that Jesus and his disciples had when they healed the sick and raised the dead. They knew that sin, sickness and death have no truth or power over man who was made in the image and likeness of God.
+Scott Strickland That's not biblical truth. Sin is not an illusion my friend.
Answer me this.... If there is one God, and the first commandment is true. "Thou shalt have no other God's before me." And your so sure than sin, sickness and death are real.... so God created sin, sickness, and death? God is both good and evil? Or there is a myserious power besides God called evil? So there's two Gods?? Didn't Jesus heal the sick, raise the dead, and reform the sinner, always in direct opposition to material laws? "You can't serve two masters." I encourage you to think on these things. What is God? What is man? Are you material and spiritual? Or are you completely spiritual because there is only one God that is Spirit? And I assure you, this stuff is defenitely in the bible. It's called the new testament. :)
+Scott Strickland All men have sinned and fallen short of gods glory. That includes you, the Pope and Mary Baker. Its by Gods Grace through faith that you are saved matey. The atonement. Yet you continue to live in bondage by believing in this absolute wishy washy nonsense. I know people who are 20 year members at CS whos lives are ruined because of the damage and illusions/delusions they believe in.
I was so glad to have found this lecture! There's an "issue" I've been dealing with for some time now, and earlier today the thing was pretty troublesome. Lately, though, I've "seen some truths about the situation," as Christian Scientists might say, and those truths make LOTS of sense to me, so much so that I've begun to not be so fearful. I've actually felt better about things, even though to my eyes the situation hasn't changed.
I decided to give myself the afternoon off from worrying, and instead I listened to this lecture while preparing two peach pies. The message reinforced for me that when we get even an inkling of how good things REALLY ARE because God is good and He is, after all, EVERYTHING, then it's important to persist with understanding-based conviction (love that word!)...bring the worrying down a notch...and bake pies or something.
Thanks for youtube-ing Christian Science lectures!
Don't expect a lot from this church, unless the "issue" that you are dealing with is no more serious than the sniffles. All they have to offer you is placebo, confirmation bias, and little old ladies telling tall tales. Reality still exists, even in this crackpot church, so if your "issue" is real, you should look elsewhere. Or you might die, and the practitioner will tell your dead body "there is no death". My mother used to tell me that, and we lived next to a cemetery.
Consciousness survives death. There is truly no death. We are spiritual beings living a physical existence. This physical existence is not truly our home. Read the thousands of nde's and the message they bring back. One of the messages is that we are here to love one another, take care of each other, other sentient beings and the planet. This is the problem with our world today, we have no love, respect, empathy and compassion. If we all lived by these spiritual laws this would be heaven on earth.
the biology of belief is a great book.
The point that you have missed, sfincione2000, is that this IS the very explanation for what have been for millenia called miracles. Without an explanation based upon consistent logic, miracles remain miracles. This lecture is a super simplified presentation of that consistent logic. Christian Science does not at all claim to perform miracles. It performs demonstrations whose explanations lie in spiritual law, not in the material law upon which critics insist that everything must conform to.
Stirling Watts, agains, which spiritual law? this is so Anglo-centric. What I get a kick out of CS believers is they all have these technical interpretations of S&H and think when they finally understand it, they've achieved something. Why does anyone even get credibility to a crazed, delusional woman? MBE? Read about her, she severely diseased, abandoned her only son, mentally unstable and homeless. And one day she rips of Hegelian philosophy and twists it and declares it a religion. Yeah! Makes you all warm and fuzzy, right?
Stirling Watts, no again. and who makes up spiritual law, CS makes it a lawless region. I know what it claims to do and it's bullshit, crap and you are falling for it. Don't. A warning from someone who happily escaped this prison of cultism. Go ahead ignore me, say I am disgruntled, or CS helped me in somE way, knock yourself out trying to gaslight me. But also consider I am trying to warn you about something dangerous and that comes from a place of caring and concern and I don't even know you.
Well then , A lesser Gracie. I guess my entire 65 years of life have been a joke and a lie, because that is how I have successfully handled every single problem in it. But thank you for the warning
@@stirlingwatts Defenisve sarcasm blies notions regarding success. 65 is part of your time line in which "problems" are entirely subjective. But I can guess...You're welcome.
@@jschuler53 You're free to think what youthink just as I am fee to think what I think. Why the superiority complex? We are all free to make decisions for our own selves. How about you make yours for you, and I will make mine for me? I have no problems with your choice for yourself. They are great decisons.....for YOU. Your life is not my business. Neither are the personal choices of any OTHER human being, other than yourself, YOUR business.
Prayer is the realization of our spiritual identity, inseparable from our Creator.
I am a Christian scientist and advocate of christian science I can proudly say that christian science is practical,operative and understandable I have seen healing In this christ method of healing by subordinating the human to the divine meaning dropping any personal,carnally mortal sense from consciousness and allowing christ the manifestation of God that comes to the flesh mortal conscious to destroy incarnate error. I embody this truth to show by reflection. I portal at malicious animal magnetism. I understand the public comments come from lack of understanding of this science mortal mind is confounded of who God is. I pray for all to unarrest your self from ignorance and gain understanding.
When one knows the truth and refuses to obey it, he is subject to any lie, any deception, any untruth that man can conjure up. “For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools”
+Phillip Ring Christian science resolve things into thoughts by exchanging the object of sense to the ideas of soul. We are exchanging the mortal view for the spiritual.with our conscious capacity to understand the divine Mind we are able to reason between truth and error
+Phillip Ring its the gospel and doctrine that I believe. I don't exclude other doctrine out I know what's best for me
+tharesis mcnealy . You obviously cant discern Biblical truth from Error. Like I said you follow a false doctrine other than that of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
+Phillip Ring your that is a aggressive mental suggestion
Love these lectures
utter nonsense
One day you will be disappointed by the empty promises of CS. If you are a believer in this garbage, then you deserve it, but I hope you spare your kids.
I am currently studying this belief system to further understand it, so I might be able to understand a person coming from this belief system. I have been a pearl collector since the age of 10 (speaking of acknowledging a Truth when it is presented to me).
I can only safely learn about other belief systems and gather pearls from them because I am firmly established on the Rock of my salvation, Jesus Christ the Anointed One. Remember brothers and sisters, we do not worship ink on pages (idolators do that), we worship the Spirit that reveals the TRUTH to us. Watch "When Life Throws You Punches"
Best lecture i ve heard . Thank you ❤
This is so fascinating..... I guess I’ll binge watch for a while
Big Myke. be careful...yeah it's initially fascinating bc they are using Hegelian metaphysical philosophy and talking philosophy is always cool. but wait until they start telling you how to apply an impossible goal for its followers. you will die before your time and leave your children in pain.
@@jschuler53 🤣🤣
@@lightworker4813 Yeah I have seen many DIE laughing bc of CS.
@@jschuler53 Well, you are funny!
@@lightworker4813 I know. I always have cherished the absurd, and my most cherished quality: goofiness. Glad to give you a laugh. If I believed in a god it would be Humor. it shall show us the way, and set us free.
Infinitas gracias al conferenciante por traer este tema🙏
I love that church building!
Thank you Kevin for this wonderful lecture.keep up the great work .I get so much from your lectures courage and strength to keep pushing forward for Truth and Love .And Reality!! Thank you so much!
I'd like to add that when Jesus told the man to take up his bed and walk, he first asked him if he even wanted to (walk). This seems like an obvious question but perhaps Jesus put it in a way that the man had never considered. I assume there was more to it than just the spoken question, ...like voice inflection, a look in his eyes and other subtle body language movements, which I also assume would come naturally for someone like Jesus who apparently carried a perspective and or level of awareness that would make all that come quite naturally, like the time I accidentally winked at a judge during court. Had I not been sincere, she would have known it and my you know what would have been thrown under the jail. As it turned out, she ended up respecting me more for it. Long story. Good outcome.
In prayer: I would add the word "resonance". It is possible to pray without ceasing. I began to train myself to do this by not saying Amen at the end of a prayer but instead tried to stay in the spirit of prayer indefinitely after praying each time. It gives you a vibration feeling that to me feels like walking in truth.
Jeffrey Nelson Well, you know what they say, "If you're not having fun then you're not doing it right.". Personally, I like spending time with the creator of the universe. And as far as video games go, I actually see this world as one big video game, but in this game the stakes are real. Thanks for your help.
***** Which of the about 4,000 "creators of the universe" do you believe in? There are at least 4,000 monotheistic gods known, I am guessing that you buy into the one that you were born into. Why not Zeus? or Apollo? or Thor?, or Krishna? they are equally believable (which is to say not at all believable). One day your god will be extinct and a new one will be invented. If you want to learn about the universe try Neil deGrasse Tyson's Cosmos series, take god and superstition out of it and it is much more impressive and interesting than anything in your holy books.
I know.
This talk is wonderful. However, what ruins it that you have no disabled the comments section. So many negative comments.
Well what do you expect about a crackpot church that kills its kids thru neglect? Sounds pretty negative to me.
Angel Jonas Some people will never understand it. If everyone understood it there wouldn't be any need for CS or any religion. In fact if everyone had gotten it during Jesus's time there wouldn't have been any reason for the lessons he gave us, that MBE explains and reinforces.
@@jamiemalokas3693 How do you justify the DEAD and permanently MAIMED children? But of course, you don't believe death or disability exists, so it is easy for you sociopaths to just ignore their suffering and death. Thankfully, 2/3 of people born into this cult leave and very few convert. It is a DYING religion.
@@goodgirlkay If you don't believe in Jesus, that he could heal, or when he said 'all I do you can do and more', that is your business. Christian Science has never maimed any children. They are allowed to seek medical help if they want. It is a choice, not a hard and set restriction.
My Mother neglected to take me to the doctor or emergency room,while at the age of 6 suffering with Double Pneumonia and a 104 degree fever!!!!!! And my doctor told my Mother that she would of brought me in sooner! I was so delirious and burning up, that perhaps, that's why I continue to have Chronic Migraine Headaches and Asthma!! Try again!!!! 😠
POWERFUL lecture.Am back to cs again.
Taiwo Abiodun, I pity you. You were there before and you're going BACK?????
@@jschuler53 🤣 Yeah, because he has faith. You have nothing.
@@lightworker4813 Do you feel better having said that to me? A committed CS would NEVER say such words. NEVER. I know the vocab you have an arrogant ill informed dis to me personally. That's an ignorant way to try to learn about something you don't understand.
@@jschuler53 Could you say that in English?
@@lightworker4813 I suggest you think really hard about why you are arguing with some anonymous person on the comment section under some CS lecture whatnot. What do you even care what I think. I refuse to respond to your pointless comments that use the ad hominem logical phallacy, so I remove myself from something that was about on the video to what is now something you've made about me--without my permission, unilaterally.
Good lecture!
What a great message
Faith, Prayer, Fasting dynamic trio! Powerful lecture! - thank you for blending these unique concepts together.
Wonderful!
God please reveal the truth. I pray that the Host of heaven to pulls down every stronghold and deception in Jesus name.
What the f***k does that mean??
Jill Anderson I join with you in prayer.
@@staceysemail2832 What, exactly, are you praying for??
The Truths not found in this Psuedo Christian CULT. The Bilbe Alone has the Original answers. Not the S&H crap and Mary Baker Eddys rubbish.
The departure of the saved will happen in a few year's, then 70 year's of hell on earth will happen before Jesus fights and wins the battle of Armageddon after this 10000 year's living on earth with Jesus in control
Salvation is faith alone in jesus
And another thing the reason its called a science because its universal laws that can be applied in the human experience. Christian science don't exclude the body science and health says you are the embodiment of all right ideals 2 Corinthians 6:20 so in other words you are dropping the carnal mind, false material sense, or fleshly mind from the human consciousness and letting in the Christ the manifestation of god that comes to the flesh to destroy incarnate error. the human consciousness is the relative comparison. once you admit the only conclusion in your thought as the divine Mind is the only mind you will see healing, regeneration, and a change in bodily condition. Understand that you are the individual conscious being or existence made in the image and likeness of God sorry for the misspelling
tharesis mcnealy Christian "Science" has nothing at all to do with "science", just bullshit dogma like any other religion, but more harmful than most.
+Jeffrey Nelson Agree .
I understand the you feel about christian science. But your perspective is nothing more then a personal sense carnally reason from mortal belief not the spiritual sense. First and far most christian science is a science but not from the material sense (mortal sense) its the understanding of the universal laws that can be applied in the human experience. I highly recommend you ask the divine Mind,the all knowing for wisdom and understanding. God bless you
I understand the way you feel about christian science. But your perspective is nothing more then a personal sense carnally reason from mortal belief not the spiritual sense. First and far most christian science is a science but not from the material sense (mortal sense) its the understanding of the universal laws that can be applied in the human experience. I highly recommend you ask the divine Mind,the all knowing for wisdom and understanding. God bless you
Christian Science (Eddyism)
Founder: Mary Baker Eddy
Overview
The only thing Christian about Christian Science is the name itself. The beliefs of Mary Eddy are so far removed from the Bible that it seems like she is in her own world.
The idea of Christian Science came in 1866 when Mary said she discovered the "Science of metaphysical healing". She organized it in 1879 and it was founded on her book, "Science and Health (with Key to the Scriptures)" the last part of the title was added later. She claims to have received divine revelation in writing this book but not believing in a personal God; it makes one wonder how could she then get divine revelation? Mary simply took eastern mysticism (e.g., Hinduism) and pantheism (all is God) and called it Christian Science. The lure to draw people in was to call it "Christian" Science because people living in the United States even if they didn't like Christianity, still had strong roots to it.
Mary Eddy said at one point, "I have marveled at the press and pulpit's patience with me, when I have taken away their Lord."
Cult Beliefs
Christian Science claims to be a Christian church and sings evangelical hymns and reads the Bible - HOWEVER, they read the Bible in light of "Science and Health". If they read something in "Science and Health" and it contradicts the Bible, it automatically overrides it.
The believe there is no such thing as sin, it is an illusion.
They believe there is no such thing as sickness, it also is an illusion.
They believe that sick people must be convinced that they are not sick, then they will get well, since sickness is an illusion and doesn't really exist.
There is no such thing as death, a person gets old and dies because they believe that is what is supposed to happen. This stems from the fact that they believe that the whole universe is an illusion.
Their god is not the personal God of the Bible. Everything is god and god is good. Therefore, there is no sin, disease, or death because all is god and god is good. The whole universe is falsehood - an illusion.
They claim that there is healing from Christian Science. Their method of healing is denying the disease itself, e.g., "I am not sick. I do not have cancer." This is not prayer but simply talking out loud to yourself. In fact, Christian Science says that prayer to a personal God is a hindrance.
The believe women can become pregnant by a supreme effort of their own minds, a man is not needed for procreation.
Man is not made of the dust of the earth as in Genesis 2 because matter doesn't exist - therefore Mrs. Eddy calls Genesis 2, "a lie". They take her word over the Bible.
They believe that Jesus is not God, he was the highest human concept of the perfect man, but not to be worshipped.
They believe that Jesus was never tempted by the devil. Eddy says, "He was tempted by the false beliefs in His own mind."
They believe that Jesus never died because death does not exist, He just thought He was dead.
They believe the blood of Jesus has no atoning value and since sin is an illusion we are not guilty.
They believe that salvation is deliverance from delusion and entrance into Christian Science.
A Catholic asks the Christian Scientist:
We know ourselves through _knowing_ history. Some great question(s) regarding Christian history:
*How* does a Christian Scientist know that all 27 books of the New Testament are God's Written Word, and that no books have been left out that should be included (out of some 300+ early Christian writings)
*Who* decided which books were, and were not scripture?
*What* authority do they defer to, to have decided?
*When* did they do so?
*Where* did they do so?
*Why* did they do so?
And... all Christians agree that the _writers_ of scripture were led by the Holy Spirit. Does it make sense that that God also led men to know which writings were scripture?
TruthHasSpoken...it doesn't make sense..None of it.
God bless you
As I said, sfincione2000, I was wasting my breath but will waste it just a little bit more: You are free to believe that my life and the lives of many others also daily helped by changing their view from the conventional to the spiritual,are untrue. Your disbelief has really nothing at all to do with the goodness I experience in my life. I will go on experiencing it anyway and you can continue to disbelieve. And we can all be happy. God (or whatever you believe in) blesses you either way..
Stirling Watts, which god are you talking about? there are thousands of gods...Zeus? Allah? We can all be happy, really? If being delusional makes you happy and makes you feel safe, there is nothing that will change your mind. You can be happy without faith, god, being an atheist. Just be a good person. Duh.
@@jschuler53 please don't say "duhh," as it's a hurtful word no matter how or who you believe in. I have challenged(more than you).adult children and I will pray for you and also to see you as Jesus taught us, in your true form you are whole. The devil (evil) and the lie of matter is responsible for the appearance of disharmony leading to disease and death. Jesus raised the dead and said Greater works than these would we do!
@@tamaralane3518 GODDAMMIT DON'T PRAY FOR ME. That's an insult. Put down the Santa Science bong and go to the corner and think about what you just said. Is the devil evil? Wow, I need to go back to delusional school, aka The Mother Church. Have fun storming your own death.
@@tamaralane3518 It is clear to me that you will never get it. You will never get that the real lie is CS. Matter is just that. By using matter in your context, calling it a lie, you are making matter a hurtful word. think about context. And moreover, think about what really motivated you to go into CS to begin with. What attracted you? Some interesting ideas? That they say they can solve your problems? You may think you have experienced a demonstration? All of the above? Last resort? I get it. But, heed these words: GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN>. It is a cult. A dangerous cult. It should be disbanded. It is a dying religion.
@@jschuler53 you're obviously the delusional one and I don't blame my problems on others or try to judge them spiritually, as that's why we each should have our own personal relationship with Jesus the Christ to learn tolerance. So I take back the delusional comment. I would never take His name in vain, and perhaps you are correct that cs is dying as a religion, but all religions in the end are dying as He comes to be the true Church, until then, we're all found lacking by some even God-- Revelations to the seven churches. God loves us all every single one because He is Love. He didn't want us to suffer-- even you who seek out followers of God to point your finger and curse the God you're saying (I think) I'll never get? I have loved God and felt His presence since I was a toddler and I simply believe and accept as true what I know is true. Sometimes we're blinded by the very things we think we see or don't see. I prayed recently to try and care more for the stranger to receive Him and lol, I guess in a way He answered my prayer with you! If I can pray for you who just cursed at me, put me down as if I will never get "it" then, I know I've been obedient to Heavenly Father. Jesus said how can a house be divided against itself? I've seen and received healings after my thought life improved because He also said "as a man thinketh, so is he." When I have error in my thought life or mind and soul, of course the body will probably manifest it. Would I give a religion everything I own or try to speak dress etc to be member? Of course not. That's insulting more than my intelligence because Holy Spirit is my guide as I allow Him. You should absolutely be taken off the forum for taking His name in vain. God bless. For when anyone treats me bad for telling the Truth about God I'm blessed. You don't have the power to hurt the creator of the universe by taking His name in vain, but I'm sure God's got a great reason to not do it. Some things should be accepted on blind faith, friend. And I pray if felt led to or if asked, I do not answer to you who are in the world about my prayer life.
Great speaker and message.
Amazing ❤️
I feel all religions lead to the same higher source that created us for a purpose. Nothing happens for a coincidence, things happen for a reason. If science teaches us anything, it teaches that we are all made up of energy and matter; so we are all somehow connected because of God!
All religions lead to hell fire most religion's are full of hate and killing and fruad.
Only believing in Jesus as God and saviour is the answer
Wonderful
Kevin, as can be seen, is the picture of health.
and self-delusion
One thousand religions, new and old; and they are all completely true.
And even if a god could do anything, nothing says the god will do something.
interesting comment. I like it. You say one thousand religions, what god are you talking about? there are thousands of them.
Just an observation, people who follow Christian Science believe that prayer alone heals. Why does Kevin then wear glasses? I mean doesn't that alone go against their beliefs? Wouldn't they believe that if they prayed hard enough then his vision would return? Or maybe God gave knowledge to be passed down and this allows healing to come from Doctors?
maybe he is gaining more faith each day. it's the ideal, not a reality in most lives. but still good to have an ideal, a goal. some healing does take place.
Modern_Patriot...they have these exceptions--you can get glasses, go to a dentist, and get a broken bone put in a cast--not considered to be true states of distress.
They're delusional psychopaths. Mary Baker Eddy was nuts. Certifiable. Gave up her own son. Always sick. Horrible life. Claimed The Heavens wrote her Science and Health. A Divine Hand-guided her hand and that's how it came to be. Delusions of grandeur. It's amazing who will follow someone who says they have the solution to your problems even without you telling them your problems. It's a rhetorical skill and so powerful Hitler got a whole Nazi Party to murder. He was that persuasive. People organized a whole religion around this. More than that, it was a way of life. I know, I was brought up in it big time. Adventure Unlimited, The camps, the college Orgs, church three times a week. This "religion" cult attracts desperate people who are usually on the intelligent or inquisitive side--so they have another reason to justify their engagement with this nonsense.
@@jschuler53 and MBE sure loved her morphine
@@CharlesCoderre-yv1cu I didn't know about that but it wouldn't surprise me. I think Hitler is a good comparison because he got people to murder others. MBE got people to just kill themselves...because "they didn't get it" in time. Someone ought to shut down that horrible cult. Anytime one person starts a religion, that's a big fat reg flag. Anytime followers would rather be good followers than live, that is criminal activity.
Gratidão 🙏
get a board instead of paper. i like that way of writing we can take notes.
She said he comfort Taylor but talks bad to her he likes Taylor
Even though I was brought up as a student of Christian Science, I could never get those two words to come together. There are some of the things the lecturer said I agree with. Still the words Christian Science go together like Army Intelligence.
And our diet is also messing us up what we eat what we think and what we say
beautiful...oops,that's a visual term.....awesome,inspiring..thank you Kevin!!
+Derek Philip Monteiro - Thank YOU, Derek. I'm grateful you found the ideas inspiring.
Derek Philip Monteiro thnk you for tge messages
Christian Science teaches that sin is an illusion. The Bible teaches that freedom from sin can only be found through faith in Jesus Christ, which is made possible by his sacrificial death. (see John 3:15-16; 5:24; 11:25; 12:46; 20:31) So Christian Science doesn't exactly vibe with the teachings of Jesus. NO WHERE in the Bible is sin ever referred to as an illusion.
it's a totally different path, but does that make it an invalid path? are only christians going to go to heaven in your mind?
@@c-doga9579 totally delusional path. If you can actually follow the argument of CS to it's logical conclusion (if it had one) it still would make no sense. It sets people up for an impossible goal. to realize perfection in your lifetime because there is no death so you just keep trying to realize this perfection for infinity. It should never have become a religion. I grew up in it and it is outright dangerous. It should be abolished.
Bob Young when Jesus said deny yourself and follow me he meant deny who you thought you where, the old self, the not so good enough self, the sinner, the things we learned from our society and follow his example of love so you may come back to the light of who you truly are and what God called you to be. We just need to learn how to see beyond the words and into the spirit. Not everything is meant to be black and white by the book like that.
I am an ex c/s, too. I totally agree with you
You got that right.
There is no certainty of healing. If it doesn't happen you didn't have enough faith. The only thing certain is salvation.
big fasting : seek ye first the kingdom of heaven....
Years ago, I studied CS and attended a local church with a focused eye as to the validity of CS claims. After closely examining the local congregation, I never ever saw one member who had "perfected" CS to the extent of either being healed or of living disease free. Every malady known to man, these people exhibited. There are some people who are hyper suggestible who when given a premise they "believe in" can effect what CS claims. These cases are rare indeed. What I saw was a group of people who pretended to practice CS dogma but could never "demonstrate" the miracles that Ms. Eddy (author of CS) insists are attainable by applying CS principles to their lives. And more to the point, this group would falsely claim CS benefits when no benefits existed in reality. CS demands that one renounce material reality as an illusion. This tenet of CS is one of its major errors.
Another religion that has distorted the bible. God hands people over to error.....
Uriah Peep I was born and raised in Christian Science. Your observation is correct, but it is even worse than that. When I was young I saw Christian Scientists allowing their children to suffer thru treatable illnesses (including me) without medicine that could have helped. If the child eventually gets well it was treated as a miracle and evidence that CS works. If someone dies you hear "but there is no death". Christian Science is dangerous delusional bullshit. I would like to be on the jury in a trial of a CS parent that allowed his child to die on the alter of his faith, I would throw the book at him.
+Jeffrey Nelson If it is delusional bullshit why did you go on youtube and look up a cs video. Is it so hard to keep a comment to yourself and respect other peoples beliefs or do you feel you need to search a cs video in hopes to find other hurtful comments to feel important and not left all alone in your attitude towards cs?
+Jonathan DELL Because as a child I suffered through problems that could have been treated with proper medical science, and a childhood friend of mine died for lack of real treatment. Now I ask you: if your child is sick will you allow him to suffer, or will you provide real treatment? If you will allow your child to suffer and possibly die under the "treatment" of CS practitioners when medical treatment is available, then you are beneath contempt.
You wishes, beliefs, prayers, expectations DO NOT change reality.
Read this:
"The Christian Science Holocaust
October 2001
by Gerald Bergman, PhD
Many modern religions make specific claims which are incongruent
with reality and the results of scientific research. One of the best examples
is religion-motivated medical neglect which in one church congregation alone resulted in the death of at least 64 children from 1975 to 1995 (Asser and Swan, 1998). Many churches teach that to use medical care is a violation of God’s law, although the record of religion caused medical deaths is probably held by the Christian Science Church founded by Mary Baker Eddy over a century ago. No one knows how many persons have died prematurely as a result of
rejecting medicine on religious grounds, but the number is likely in the tens-of-thousands.
Ms. Eddy claimed her church’s bible called Science and Health with
Key to the Scriptures was co-authored by her and God. Historians, though, attribute many of her ideas to a man that she once worked with and studied under, Phineas P. Quimby (Milmine, 1971). Quimby was an uneducated clock maker who eventually became a mesmerist and a faith healer of sorts. He once traveled around the country in a covered wagon selling a cure-all today derisively called snake oil (Sikorsky, 1979). He later concluded that neither his nor anyone else’s medicine heals because only the mind heals, and soon started
lecturing on “the power of the mind” to heal."
Jeffrey Nelson I understand your reasoning and your unfortunate experience but medical treatment has caused more death than any other cause. We've all seen drug commercials. Half the time the commercial is all side affect information. There have been studies of people feeling better after have been given fake or empty medicine. There will never ever be a day in the future ever where medical treatment is gauranteed to help no matter how far technology has avanced. There will always be new diseases to keep that industry going because worry is good for profits. Jeff do me a favor, everytime you see or hear a drug commercial mute it. Yours and my health are not determined by drugs made in a factory for the benefit of stockholders. Im sorry for your loss those years ago
Christian Scientists as a group are some of the most loving and spiritual people that I've ever known. It breaks my heart to know that they've been deceived so by MBE. For though it's true that the bible was her sole source of inspiration, she lied to mankind was she didn't tell the whole story, that Jesus died for US. For it is not until you fall to your knees after reading John 3:16, that you will know the true meaning of being a perfect child of God. I pray for you all.
and the most gullible and moronic
I'm very happy that you overcame what illness or trouble you had. And I don't want to take your faith away because I don't believe it. If this is what you believe, then that's perfectly fine and I respect your decision. All I'm saying is that just because we are not capable of explaining something today does not mean that in 50 or 100 year we still won't. Have you seen the exponential increase in technology in the last 30 or so years? Project that forward and think how our understanding will be.
With ncreased technology so has the world experienced more health çare problems. The serpent said your eyes will be opened and you will be like God's knowing good and bad
Since then there has been no rest for mankind as we lost the innocence God wanted us to maintain.
uh huh..... as a child I had to stand by and watch my friend pray for his father instead of taking the man to the hospital for a much needed and relatively simple operation. Needless to say, the man died. Oh yea.... I forgot... he probably had some 'negative thoughts' and brought the whole thing on himself. Right. Tell that to my friend who KNEW at the time that the whole thing was bullshit but was forced to participate in the manslaughter of his own father.
Kent Fletcher But remember in the bullshit CS religion "there is no death", or "he wasn't ready for a healing" or he "did not understand the faith" lots of excuses for failure, but it is never the church or its dogma. I abandoned it when I was about 20 and never looked back. I am just glad that I did not contract polio or some other childhood disease because I was never inoculated until in the army.
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Maija I believe in God .I have families who had been in cs for years and still there.They have faith & believe in God.
@Maija hahaha at least medical science gave them a chance. The death to succes ratio from cs is much higher than going to the hospital considering how small cs is
The book Science and Health is equally about overcoming sin in our lives, transforming our character The more pure our thoughts the more we can love and reflect God.❤
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Interesting that this fellow is wearing eye glasses. I wonder why he hasn't healed his bad vision?
@Geoff G I'm merely making an observation. He's making lots of claims about the "reliable effectiveness" and "repeatability" of "Christian Science Healing." However, why should anyone take these claims seriously when he's wearing eye glasses? If he knows a reliable, effective and repeatable way to heal various infirmities, why wouldn't he "heal" his eye sight? Who knows, maybe he likes wearing glasses? But he shouldn't expect anyone to take his claims seriously... That's like wearing a cast on your arm while making the same claims. Ridiculous.
@G G why is the church's business to propagate it's lies?
@G G because he is promoting utter bullshit invented by a morphine addict
@G G there is no demonstration
I think the verse you quoted is referring to the unity of believers and God's omniscience. It would be a severe misrepresentation of the text to say that Paul is teaching pantheism.
Evil is simply moral rebellion against God. When we sin or rebel against God, we are not creating anything new but simply failing to live up to God's perfect standard. Sin in not an illusion but a specific action taken against God, which is made possible by His gift of free will.
Coincidence that praying to Poseidon has the same odds as praying to Jesus?
Go with what works for you.
"it is said in the Bible that God is all" Could you cite a scripture reference for that statement please? Because when you read Genesis (and throughout the Bible in fact) it seems there is always a clear distinction between the Creator and creation. As for evil, I think it lacks substance, but that's not to say that it doesn't infect every area of our being.
Bob Young, good and evil are man made ideological constructs.
@@jschuler53 🤣
If CS healing works, why not heal the bald guy so he doesn't need the ridiculous comb over? And why does the CS practitioner wear glasses? Can't pray away your vision problem?
None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
Neither can you heal yourself. So shut up.
@voitdive I wasn't talking to you, but I was talking to Jeffrey Nelson.
@@c-doga9579 "Neither can you heal yourself". I don't claim to have magical healing powers like the CS practitioners claim to have. So, what point are you making?
@@jeffreynelson2660 How do you know CS doesn't work for some people? You really can't know. You see one man with a balding head and assume that CS doesn't work for anyone at all.
"Praying with Certainty"
Don't know why but that make me laugh.
+Mr. Gerbik Me too.
+Mr. Gerbik Or cry in despair at the stupidity of these people. The practitioners will advise parents to withhold medical treatment from their children, and sometimes children suffer and even die as a result. Fortunately the courts are beginning to respond. Read these:
Christian Scientists
Found Liable in Death
www.nytimes.com/1993/08/19/us/christian-scientists-found-liable-in-death.html
Supreme Court
Roundup; Christian Scientists Rebuffed in Ruling By Supreme Court
www.nytimes.com/1996/01/23/us/supreme-court-roundup-christian-scientists-rebuffed-in-ruling-by-supreme-court.html
The Christian Science Holocaust
by Gerald Bergman, PhD
The Origin and Current Status of Christian Science by Stephen Barrett, MD
Suffering Children and Christian Science Church
www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/xsci/suffer.htm
+Jeffrey Nelson Christian science is based off the premises of prayer and god. lack of understanding of divine principle can result in one not exercising proper healing. but I prayer for my christian science soldiers in christ. about answer regarding lack of healing christian science look at the failures in medical practices that was a failure and surgery. so Mr Jeff your hypnotic suggestion goes back to your mortal belief about christian science stand portal in apologetics to your comment. Divine Love will always win
+tharesis mcnealy "garbage in, garbage out" one said about computers. It also works for religion. Your basic premise is wrong, your conclusions will be wrong. The "premises of prayer and god etc" are NOT substantiated and have no evidence to support them Consequently what you have is nothing more than one of thousands of religions and it has nothing to do with science.
Your comparison with medical science is not valid, just a red herring. Real science (as opposed to "Christian Science") does not pretend to have the guidance of an infinitely powerful and all knowing being. So, try explaining the lack of healings when your god of love does not act. Try to explain the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami of ten years ago that killed a quarter of million people. Why did your all knowing god not design the techtonic plates to slip smoothly rather than lock then sudden release energy resulting in 9 point earthquakes and monster waves? And if god could not stop this from happening why did your all loving god not warn people to get to high ground?
"Divine love will always win"??? bullshit bullshit bullshit. Your god is phony.
+Jeffrey Nelson I see that you have a negative connotation about how or what God is. God is the governor of perpetual motion and all formation. And translating the negative objection to the divine by reflection. In regards to your statement about the flood divine principle was cleaning the earth and purifying it with truth. On the contrary I understand that my argument is against mortal suggestion which is ignorance of who God. I see the reflection of love in you in wanted to know of this great all inclusive intelligence mind. I challenge you to drop you mortal self which is your personal sense and let your conscious receive the ultimate truth so that you may be set free. otherwise you going to live in disappointment of mortally
I am so sorry this Cult is still going on. I was raised as a christian scientist, I broke my fractured my arm when i was 9yrs old and my grandmother cut the bandage side off and said god will heal you. I had to put on a brave face for my grandmother with a fractured arm for a yr. My grandmother was a member for decades, she had a christian science practioner by her bedside the day she died. She stopped eating and drinking cause of her dementia and alziemer's. Wth was god to heal her? LIARS!
Well said. But logic and reason are foreign to the believers in this crackpot church.
Chickee Xandar, you are another who was raised in this Cult who now denounces the horrors all of us who were raised in CS witnessed. It is deadly. It is a dying religion, and S&H is absolutely convoluted written by an unstable homeless woman. I am sorry you had to endure you fractured arm without help, and to see your grandmother's sad end of life . I lost my mother to this cult. Her death could have been avoided.
Ok
"Designed by an infinitely higher power" who is powerless to restore limbs to amputees? Why is that? Salamanders can do that, but god cannot?
people and god are coworkers.
crazy
One other thing: you say its (that should be "it's") a science because it's knowledge reduce(d) to a law (or laws more correctly). The problem with this statement (aside from the grammar) is that you are making the assumption that what you "know" is axiomatic, but in reality it is NOT. You probably don't know what that means but that's what Google is for.
Not accepting Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior is the definition of a cult or fake Christian.
I honestly do not know where to begin replying to this. Aside from the total absence of grammar, the message make no sense whatsoever. Maybe you're not a native English speaker so if this is the case I can excuse the unfortunately low standard, but if not, then maybe you should read some books written in the contemporary world instead of the bible for a while to improve your diction.
Science is the opposite of religion and there are no common grounds between them.
You cannot be serious using the word science to explain prayers, superstitions and other dogmatic beliefs in general.
Unfortunately there is no basis for the foundations on which he builds this pseudo-science. There's an assumption. That's all. And it doesn't take us well beyond clinical research. He can say it in his nice sweet voice all he wants but it's still circumstantial. Miracles, or what they thought were miracles, have happened since the dawn of time but one by one we have realised that these miracles have explanations. The difference between this and real science is that real science makes progress.
Can't believe people actually believe this garbage...
Michael Schwartzberg Yes they do believe in this garbage. And I did for the first 18 or 20 years of my life. But no longer. My mother, and avid CS believer told me the amazing story of Mary Baker Eddy falling on the ice. She was told by a doctor that her injury was terminal. MBE prayed and was healed, and that lead her to discover the "principals" of CS. One of those is that medical science is bogus and ineffective and a lie. So, I asked my mother if the prognosis of the doctor that told her she had a terminal injury was bogus and a lie, in which case MBE's entire premise of CS healing was based on this lie. My mother was thoroughly pissed off at this and wouldn't talk to me for awhile. It was the beginning of the end of my faith.
Michael Schwartzberg You can't believe people believe in Jesus Christ? Wow, you need to get out more.
Shame that people can be so deluded.
Christ Science people do not know or trust the Word of God, if they did they would realize that they fall into the same category of all other pagan faiths. For thousands of years, God has been performing miracles and healing through non-believers - this is a fact. God Himself says that many will perform healing and miracles in His name but will still not be known to Him. Therefore, healing and miracles does not equate to knowing God. Christ is able to forgive sin, which no person is able to do. This is what separates man from God (creation from creator). Don't forget that Christ was murdered, not for performing miracles but for forgiving sin.
It's wonderful that many have been healed through Christ science people but it's a tragedy that they will be among the many who will be rejected by God because they refuse to accept Christ as God. Lucifer is the master liar and deceiver, try not be fooled by the many traps that he has laid out before you.
Are you saying all Buddhists will go to hell? Seems pretty wild statement.
Antichristian unscience
founded by a psychotic morphine addict
This is a cult.