Making A Forkable Pallet Type Base For My Giant Vibratory Tumbler - Heavy Steel Fabrication
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- My Giant GB3 Vibratory Tumbler was a great investment for the shop, but I need to make it more user friendly. Being able to move it around the shop an outside as needed is critical in my small shop.
In this video I fabricate a heavy steel base with fork pockets, and install the tumbler onto it.
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"Paint doesn't pay the bills, working equipment does". Can't argue with that wisdom! (though my OCD prefers it painted 😆)
Forklift pockets on machinery is such an underrated godsend in the shop when you dont have unlimited floorspace
It sure is.
The ironworker is such a quick brute force instrument, I love it!
It was
A good purchase.
That mag drill was the best way of drilling the holes. Very handy to have even if you only use it very occasionally. I have several tools that I may only use every few years, but they are there when I need them for a specific job. Some people have the idea that if you don't use something for a year, get rid of it. That's a stupid idea for something that you might need later and then would not have if you got rid of it.
The radial drill may have been faster, but I couldn't get to it.
Josh , if down the road ,you feel like, just trickle some oil on it and call it good , I myself just want be inspired by you , your brilliant 👏 😉: keep the videos coming!!!!!!
I'm sure it will have plenty of oil on it before long. Lol. Thanks.
Well damn, that base will certainly out live all of us. And the iron worker, that thing is scary while being brutally efficient. 👍🏻👍🏻
Everything about this build is huge except for the jeweler's hammer for center punching! 😂
Nice job. I'm with you all the way on the no paint part. In my hobbyshop none of the machine bases I've build are painted. The only thing I painted is the welding cart, and that was a long time ago before I knew any better. Even without the paint they're all gonna outlive me.
That forkin' pallet is a beast! Looking forward to seeing it all come together.
Are you sure that's strong enough 🤣
Good job, that won't break!
I wish I'd have made it heavier. Lol
That "Iron Worker" is a force to be reckoned with. That leaves the "Plasma cutter" in the dust.
Sure does.
That’s that Topper. Always forking around and showing off his Johnson.
Nice job - no surprise it’s quieter - more mass, more rigidity. Means all the energy goes into the tub where it belongs. 👍👍
Edit: Also - kinda feel like you cut yourself off in your prime talking about paint earlier in the video. 😁
I share your sentiments there. Time is money! That never changes in actual manufacturing.
Thanks 👍
You betcha.
He got a massive Johnson 😂
Anchor Lube has done a wonderful job of product placement. A dozen cases of product to a dozen RUclipsrs is better advertisement than 100 paid ads. Nice work Josh. That tumbler ain’t goin nowhere.
It really is a good product.
@@paulmace7910 luckily it really is a good product. Found out about it a few months ago. It outperforms the ole regular tapping fluid by miles. I'm an electrician, so lots of tapping into steel on Refinery beams, boxes and stands. Works great.
Nice bit of engineering and excellent craftsmanship!
I love watching fabrication videos. The ability to make the stuff that you need is great to have.
@@jrmintz1 you ain't a joking.
My Dad had a guy that worked for him that could make anything from steel. Hand him a piece of soapstone, space on the floor to design what you needed (CAD Concrete Aided Design), and he'd sketch it out, get the steel and fab it up using just a gas torch and a stick welder. I've mentioned him here before on the pipe cutting torch video. RIP Ernie, I leaned a lot just watching you work.
@mikeking7470 sometimes that's the best method. I do similar things. RIP
Good idea making the base like a super strong pallet. I agree in a working shop , paint and finess on equipment is not a priority. Nice one.
Well said!
That’s one solid equipment base. I think it’ll work well as a movable anchor for your tumbler. Good job Josh.
So far so good. Glad I made it.
Right on! Glad that turned out well. I like your idea of having a timer for that.
The timer will be a great addition. Once you know how long on average, you can set it and forget it.
Nice flip of the wrist to face the AnchorLube name toward the camera when drilling the last hole!
The heavy pallet is a great idea. Transfer punches are great, we use them all the time
I've got a wood shop and a "try to weld" on occasion shop, and everything I can is on a rolling base of some sort because of tight quarters. Good project Josh.
Just wish you'd start wearing knee pads. I found out in my late 40's that cement and rocked drives are horrible on knees. I'm in my late 60's now and still have OEM knees. Glad I found knee pads years ago.
Yeah, I'm starting to see the point to those sheep fornication pads. Gonna have to invest soon.
Nice one Josh. Space management just got better. And so quiet that you can have a conversation standing right next to it. Thanks for letting us look over your shoulder. Cheers.
Very nice pallet Josh! Going to be an asset for sure.
Hope so!
Certainly a great improvement on its function, both performance and ease of mobility.
Great demonstration on how you don't need to shear full thickness of material.
Thanks for sharing
52 years ago I worked at a manufacturing Co . we used an ironworker there I loved that machine it cut repitition parts so fast and presise .
I'd love a series on some of the different things that an Ironworker can do, I have a buddy that has one with a lot of extras, it can do a hell of a lot more than just shear off flat stock.
Not a bad idea. I just used it again the other day for a job. Punched some holes in 3/8" plate and sheared some.
Paint don't pay the bills! Man after my own heart. Those polymer HF ratchets are pretty darn good for the money.
@@Idontwanttosignupist I bought it on a field job when I broke my good one. It has surprised me.
Fork this, fork that...
Nice work. I feel you on the paint. In the custom car world we say "chrome won't get you home."
Three cheers for the ironworker, I could use one, pretty dang cool
Awesome machine
I've a buddy that got a free one with a lot of goodies, an ironworker can do a lot more that just lop off chunks of thick iron flat stock.
@@mikeking7470 I wish I could have gotten mine free. $5k wasn't bad though.
The power of hydraulics!
Let it rust...then treat it with rust eater to protect the metal...once it has a decent layer of rust on it...that rust eater paint can easily be applied with a brush, then let it soak in, and convert the rust to a hard protective coating..no need to paint, especially for a "pallet" that just holds the machine above
That thing is definitely going to be tough and last a long time!
Keep em coming!!!!
Spot on.
Ten demerits for whacking that transfer punch so hard😊
Nice weldout👍
Great idea! Building that base heavy like that will definitely help the tumbler not moveing around. Id like to have the opportunity to work with you in your element, in return teaching me things for fabrication. Anyway, great video and good work.
He says he gona fork it. 😁 I had to say it. I really do enjoy your videos
And straight after that Josh gets out his big Johnson 🤣
I forked it good. Lol
Nicely done!
@@barryolson3998 thank you.
the placing of the anchorlube bottle with the label always facing camera reminds me of waynes world and the product placement montage lol great work josh
Those transfer punches are a really good idea. That's the first time I've seen this type of punch.
Been around for years. Most are Chinese, but work.
I see them a lot in machineshop YT
My transfer punches are the best thing since sliced bread. I've had a set for 2 or 3 years now. As soon as I heard about them I got a set. Could have done with them 30 years ago!
Sending love from Orlando …Paulie Brown ❤❤❤
i have never seen a cutting machine like the ironworker,,paint not paying the bills great
That turned out great 👍👍👍
Thanks
That is one powerful guillotine you have there. Much quicker than the Johnson saw when you don't need the precision that you can get with the Johnson saw.
Exactly
the one place I'd make a Concerned Noise about paint is in very light sheet metal work which you don't really deal in anyway, because it's thin enough that even patina-rust is enough to rot the structure. The heavier stuff like this skid is going to Weather really nicely.
Sheet metal needs some protection. Even an oil layer. Heavy fabrication will last a very long time.
Thanks for the video. All of your jobs and projects are interesting. The job worked out great because it did not walk away when you ran it. I totally agree about the paint; I only painted things when the customer asked for it. Most of what we made were tractor parts or industrial machine parts; some military parts. I hope that your tumbler serves you well for many years to come. As always, good job on both the video and the project.😀😀😀
Thanks.
"Hardly any vibration down there in that base". That's because the base weighs twice as much as the machine! That would be the strongest pallet I have ever seen. Nice job. A spray of oil would control the rust and keep it tidy for years to come.
You're right paint don't pay the bills. I like how u moved that outside its loud! If it was me I would've just welded on the tabs of the machine to the pallet platform u made an pick it up with the forklift about a couple feet while u are welding so it don't destroy your knees an back. That way it would save u from all that laborious drilling an tapping. Next time if u needed a new machine just air arc the welds.
Inspired me to make a pallet . my Ellis 1800…thanks Josh…Paulie
Concrete in the base to increase the mass is sometimes an option, but what you have done works well
I was considering more ballast until I ran it. I was actually surprised I didn't need another 100 lbs.
Nice build. Maybe put some Loctite on the screws when you retighten them?
Pretty beefy pallet. I like it
Shake-proof washers on the bolts might be a good idea.
I never give a care how some thing looks, only that it works. Mine is only a hobby thing. Good onya
With the help of Jaws and Johnson and your skills, a very solid structure is made. I doubt it would easily come apart even if just well tacked.
Thank you Josh.
Agree about the paint
Nice! That’s bomb-proof that is. 🙂👍🇳🇱
Hard to beat a good Ironworker.
Good Stuff
That little lift looks to have all it wanted after adding the base.😂😂
Moving the electrical switch and the timer on to a post (square tube) at one of the corners, could be an easy way to make the controls (switch, timer, EPO, etc) easier to reach, while in operation.
Very cool. Paint just prevents rust... i just get a can of fluidfilm and spray the cap out of it.. steel looks cool without paint anyways. The guy i learned engine machining had a machine like that that you could tumble an engine block in. He had a 5 gallon bucket with a very particular weight of sand in it... pick up the bucket tge thing would rattle the shop. Im still in awe a gentleman with an 8th grade education could intuitively figure beam harmonics... says a lot for the value of experience...
He was actually probably smarter than the book learned engineers.
@TopperMachineLLC smartest man I ever met. Inspired me to be come an engineer (but it consider myself a mechanic, since I solve problems instead of cause them ;))
Back in the 70's I ran a couple of larger versions of the Iron Worker. One was hydraulic, the other; mechanical. Called them plate shears. Max on the hydraulic was 1/2 inch. Mechanical was 3/4. Max width was 6 or 8 feet. Can't remember. There was a shadow that told you where the shear line was. Hadn't thought about that in years.
Most used a shadow line. I'll probably be adding a light to this for that purpose
@@TopperMachineLLC I thought I remembered it correctly, but; at my age, one can never be sure.
@stephenbridges2791 very common setup, works great. Your memory is still good.
Forkin’ A. I want to come and spend a couple of weeks with you even if I just swept up and pulled weeds around the shop! I live for perfection.
@@robertfish6617 anyone is welcome to come clean. Lol
Great job. Lots of steel. Perhaps think of a couple of safety straps from the drum to the base just in case of a tip or quick stop with the forklift. Gravity holds it down but can't keep it there if some unforseen circumstances.
Not a bad idea.
In my garage I have a 60 gallon vertical air compressor. I did not want to bolt it to the floor. It would vibrate and walk around. I ended up setting it on small pieces of fertilizer belting to isolate the vibrations from the concrete. It hasn’t moved since and is much quieter when running. Maybe a thought of putting some heavy duty rubber snubbers on the bottom of your pallet?
You didn't watch the whole video.
@@TopperMachineLLC Gotta admit I did fast forward through some parts.
Touché. 🤦🏻♂️
I caught you. Now you need to go back and watch again. LOL
Done and done, Josh. 👍🏻
You are the first fabricator (and I follow a few, CEE etc) who breaks the tapping chips by an occasional reversed part of a turn. Something I was instructed to do when I was apprenticed back in the sixties. I am in the UK so I doubt we had the same foreman or instructors!
Nice job, it won’t rust through until you’re long gone, if ever.
Many have no real clue how to properly use tools, nor do they really care to learn. Breaking the chip with a tap is the first thing you should ever learn when hand tapping.
For those coming along later: the backing with a straight-flute tap to break the chip is because it doesn't eject the chip the way a spiral-flute tap does. if you don't break the chip, it's liable to jam up and can break the tap by wedging in between the tap and wall. a spiral flute tap will curl the chip sideways, directing it up the flute. this is why powertapping with a spiral flute tap generates those huge long curled chips: the angled tooth adds an inherent twist to the chip as it's cut
@Hyratel even with spiral point taps, it's good practice to break the chip. Especially when hand tapping. Not so necessary when machine tapping.
@@TopperMachineLLC is the difference the smoothness of machine-driven makes a more tightly curled chip that self-ejects while a hand-turned spiral flute the chip isn't as tight so has the same risks as a straight flute?
@Hyratel pretty much. Constant feed and speed from machine driven seems to drive the chip out and away.
Your knees sure taking a beating during some of your operations. Take it from an older guy - you will probably pay later in your life for all of that abuse. Good job and thanks for sharing.
amen
Someday I'll pay for it b
nice
I like your base! Quite a few $ iron in that base!I need to make a base like that for my Bridgeport but also with low profile bearing rollers under it so I can move it on concrete easily for cleaning to bring it out for using in award applications ( VERY small shop)
@ssboot5663 rollers are a bad idea on machines. Build it similar and get a pallet jack. Imagine trying to machine something and the mill walking away from you. My small mills are all on rubber, because they will still move around without.
My benchtop mill sits on a heavy cast iron base and it only had holes in the bottom of the legs. I used 3/8" steel plate to build brackets that would mount in place with big bolts as adjustable feet and casters. Once it is rolled where needed, the bolts can be turned to jack it off the casters, so it sits level. To move it, just screw the bolts back up and it rolls again. Best of both worlds, and in a tiny shop, it does not require a pallet jack.
Automotive painter here and it does Pat the bills.
@@PatMcAndrew for you, not me. I do farm it out when needed.
Wondering if pads made from tire treads under the fabbed pallet would help, wouldn't hurt and prob insulate noise a lil more..GREAT video Josh a big 10 thumbs up
Don
You must have skipped the part where I show the rubber isolation feet.
@@TopperMachineLLC OMG I must have......sorry....
@@donteeple6124 they are fancy screw adjust enerpac isolation feet.
Love that deal that just snaps off that flat bar, was that about 3/4 in ? Well done, paint, who needs paint.
@@davidaarons2488 3/4" X 3" gotta love an iron worker for some stuff.
A lot too much faster than a bandsaw. Nice piece of kit. Thanks for your time making the video.
@@elsart0 when accuracy is not important, the iron worker is a great machine.
Josh, you might want to take a spray can to paint the hold-down bolts.
@stephenb.patterson2642 why? They are galvanized. Look just fine.
Josh those not familiar with todays steel prices may not know how much money it took just to buy the steel. It would be interesting to know the material cost. Where I live you can double the price by the time you pay freight to get it here.
I had about $400 into it.
I was thinking that allowing space for a plastic Jerry can would be the ideal form of a liquid container for you
I have something else in mind
Anchor Lube: Now make sure you always face the product's name toward the camera. 😊
@@DAKOTANSHELBY I do. Great product.
I'm guessing you have a run of parts that need tumbling in the near future. Was that a ratchet from harbor freight? How well is it lasting? I have a few of that style but don't use them as often or as hard as you would.
@minigpracing3068 it is from HF. I don't do as much wrenching as I used to, so it's holding up well. Actually their tools are quite surprising in quality now days.
Been watching your channel for a little while, just a curiosity question, might sound like a complete Noob question.. But I see movement for instance when you were drilling there was a very tiny bit of side to side movement but yet, whenever you put the machine on it fit just fine, is that completely normal and you just add in a little fudge factor, or is that an optical illusion. Not just on your channel I've seen that on a few... And by the way I enjoy watching your channel.. You do really good work.
Drills will wander a bit until started. With a center punch mark, it is much less.
You obviously have pride in showing your Johnson in this video. Nice pallet.
Put some Lube on your chain hoists and rollers...... Make what you have last
They are well lubed.
A good job on the base, paint wouldn't have done any harm, you will have rust issues where you live?
A thib layer of rust will protect better than paint. Proven concept in real world applications.
@gerryoneill8881 look up Weathering Steel
One other question for you, did you put any kind of thread lock, or nut on the bolts? Just cause of the vibration.
Not yet. The ones that go through will be double nutted before real service.
also how many time have you hit your head in the forklift roof?
When you build something for a customer then you can paint it if it’s agreed upon. But for personal use in the work shop it doesn’t matter what it looks like, it’s there to make money and not sit in corner looking good.
I rarely paint for a customer. They can't inspection the part with paint on it.
I have to laugh at myself. I have a piece of 3/4x3 four foot long steel I came across probably 35 years ago and have horded it like it was gold or something. Refused to cut into it, even when I really could've used a piece off of it to make life and a project simple. Ive used it from everything from tamping dirt around a post to a makeshift anvil or body dolley. It's like an old friend in the corner of the garage. Then I watch this and 40 feet of it just gets unceremoniously chomped up and used like it was intended to make something. Got to admit I feel pretty dumb about it. But to be fair I guess, it's not easy finding chunks of iron for a hobby shop scale. I watch Kurtis from CEE chunk stuff into the dumpster that I'd almost give an arm for. Different perspectives when you're on a business scale for sure!
I've been known to chuck stuff in the dumpster also, but only after making sure I can't make money off of it. That's what makes good business, utilizing good materials, not scrapping them. Your story just proves you have good sense to utilize it to its fullest potential.
That mag drill would go a long way towards tapping those holes Put 'er in low gear. You'll be surprised how well it taps. For sure, it would start the tap for you. They don't call it pain with a T for nothing.
You must have missed the part of "model #1, serial #1" on the mag drill. Only one speed. Lol
It would take as long to paint as it took to make…good call Josh…
I was hoping you'd weigh the finished base with the crane scale. Best guess on finished weight?
I should have. Guessing about 300lbs
What does is it for, I've never heard of one before?
ps. Does it need a T otherwise it isn't quite as big it thinks?
T makes it stronger.
I .ist say rhat this was a very "uplifting" video experience 😂
Lol
You could convert a manual pallet jack into the base and then you don’t need the forklift to manipulate it around
I have a forklift, why buy something else I don't need.
@@TopperMachineLLC I incorrectly assumed you had a small collection in the back 😂
@@go4peanut471 I no longer collect. I've been getting rid of useless stuff. Not enough room or need for it all.
I wish I didn't have to paint my projects! But they mostly ornamental
Paint don’t pay the bills. If you were a painter it would 😁😁😁
But that is not my business.
I had to paint the things that did not fit on the powder paint line. What ever the customer asked for.
@@TopperMachineLLC love what you do.
I probably would have used a little Loctite on them four mounting bolts.
Double nutted. Nuts underneath.
@@TopperMachineLLC I need to make one to keep my clothes washer from walking all over the place! LOL!
@@Wheel_Horse LOL
Any guesses on how many brooms he goes theough in a year?
I get the cheap dollar tree brooms. About 20 a year.
@@TopperMachineLLC the shavings have to be rough on them.
Never saw a sheer like that in a persons shop. It's a bit terrifying.
Standard ironworker. Most professional shops have one.
Are you casting stuff?
No, I use a local foundry
Paint may not pay the bills, however, rusty equipment that no longer function properly doesn't pay any bills either. My opinion is paint has a place and should earn its keep just like any other part of a machine. It's purpose should be to prolong the working life of the machine it covers. KOKO!
As I stated in the video, when time allows it may get done. But it is not a priority. Since it performs no real function to the machine, it will not affect operation at all.
Maybe paint a Hula Gal on the tub…lots of shaking going on
No powder coat? Naw im just Joshing around. Great build though.