Many designers push forth ideas and messages through their fashion. In the hands of a good designer, the fashion packs as much punch as the message. Here, does the fashion stand up to the significance and power of the message?
The message was in the speech rather in the fashion. The fashion was very… (what is the word?) “decorative”. It just wasn’t enough. I mean I can’t seriously complain when I see potential in the completely whimsy. Costumes are also a field we dominate 🤷🏾♂️… albeit where is the beef?
Do you understand the concept ? It's a tribute to Black excellence and inventiveness. obviously, for clients items will be adapted for wearability but it's more bout the statement than traditional haute couture, though the same restrictions of 15 full-time staff members, multiple fittings, and handwork still apply.
@@HIMYNAMEISRYRY I understand the concept but still trying to visualise the couture and and how one can adapt a mobile phone to wear on a night out or jar of food.
@@ILIUSCOV its unlikely that those items will ever be produced (like most haute couture) and if they are worn it'll probably be by Cardi or Doja Cat. I think looks punctuated other wearable items and were just meant to tell a story, I don't think it should be taken so seriously or regarded so preciously as haute couture often is.. look at Margiela Couture.. its the same situation as far as wearablity goes and he's regarded as a genius;
Dressing a woman in a “ Party City” peanut butter jar costume with your logo to honor the impact, contribution and influence black people have had on this earth isn’t fashion. On paper the concept is genius. 98% of what was shown is lazy tacky, uninspired gimmicky attempt for press and attention. Such a wasted opportunity to really research and push forward our narrative into something beautiful new and fresh that every collection up to this has been. I’m a designer myself and I was so hype for this collection because Pyer is a really amazing designer I look up to. Take away MCJW mansion, performers stage press, front row etc. What is left is Halloween costumes sale rack. Very disheartening. The level of these designs don’t at all reflect our Black excellence or the depth of your talent. Come on PM!!!
It was really hard for me to process the collection. I was expecting REAL COUTURE from Kerby and all we got was customs. How are the French suppose to take American fashion houses serious. Kerby had one assignment and he completely went the opposite, this was suppose to be a perfect opportunity and platform to showcase his real talent and to change and breakaway from the stereotypes that black designers usually fall under. ( I have noticed that a lot of black designers rely on hype for press attention, which I am totally tired of ). I just want black designers to be taken seriously and not a joke. Haute Couture is serious business and should be taken lightly in terms of presentation.
Jonathan Moore you articulated MY thoughts even better than I could have attempted. I agree a THOUSAND percent. All I could think as I watched this monstrosity is that 'they looked like school play costumes'. And then you had a rapper, rapping about 'killing n//gas' and other foolishness that didn't need to be included in a show that was supposed to be celebrating blkness and blk accomplishments.
I'm glad you can see. This is a mess. I honestly liked the choir collection, but it felt like the best he could do. Which isn't a good sign so early in your career. The gimmick of just doing collections when he wants and doing couture now - only serves the purpose of minimizing the opportunities to critique the work which is quick uninspired and borderline exploitative. The first collection he did with those bullet holes was tacky, to me. It got him so much press along with other connections that now he has the coin to so this. And peanut butter - Moschino wanna be - costume irony - poorly executed - as a nod to our grandparents? I'd love to know what his inspirations would like when they're not exploiting black pain or blackness / period.
LMAOOOOOOOOO I CANT BELIEVE HIM! IM SO DISAPPOINTED. I Was Expecting BLACK GLAMOUR! What He Gives With His Shows But x 10! He Literally Sent Costumes Down The Runway & Called It HAUTE COUTURE 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫 WOWWW Like I’m So Speechless smfh
I’m black form Africa . I know my country , my ancestors and my culture 100%. I don’t spend a full year in America without visiting my grand parents . I’m close to all aspects. I’m mentioning this cause I don’t want people to misinterpret my opinion . Having lived and also study in Paris France for many years , this show is a fucking mess . Great way to spend your investor’s money !
I'd like this to be an argument and not a discussion. I'm interested in what you think about my opinion and don't want to convince you that my opinion is right:) Fashion is art. Fashion is a way to express who you are and what you want to say. Though. not everyone sees fashion in the same way. There are different styles and different favours and, you know, maybe I'm wrong and just a kind-hearted person believing in the best of everyone but Myer Moss and the team behind the label are trained staff, who have all studied fashion design and you know if they wanted to make a creamy dress with the background story of the invention of the peanutbutter, instead of putting a fabric jar on a persons body, THEY WOULD. High fashion designers aren't lazy, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to study fashion and become so well known. In my opinion everything in this show was exactly the way they wanted it to be and I think it perfectly represented what it should. So still: fashion is art. And with this collection they're honoring black peoples' inventions. If you don't like the way they did so, then that's something about your style. Or isn't it? Thoughts? *remember the first sentence* :)
🤦♂️ this is a hot mess as far as clothing and couture goes . But good to see my boy 22gz to be recognized this way . He started a whole movement of drill in bk but never got the proper platform and recognition
As you and I know probably drill music isn’t for for everyone, but I dare you to do to a place where genre of music is polluar and mention a Chicago artist ! Now , at the same place mention 22GZ and see how people fell and act . If You go to New York , form queens to Bk , to the BX , and somehow in a circle of people that listens that genre of music 22gz gets a lot of credits and acknowledgement . I’m also not in disent with your argument but 22gz push this genre to a level that’s well recognized, and still isn’t enough cause he doesn’t get the recognition
Definitely not haute couture. But I like how he just shitted on the culture. 😂 Especially in this particular season. Someone must have pissed Kerbito off. 😂😂
son on god ! this show was a hot ass mess How do we go from the speech that is putting the black movement in a positive light to talking about killing NIGGAS like wtf. Not impressed very disapointed.
they couldnt have given him a better mic for the performance?? other than that a lot of empty and elitist criticism in the comments considering this is literally couture lolol mfs acting like the clothing is bad
What a Statement on All levels! Amazing and congratulations. The haute Couture became completely functionalised to be a servant of the message behind the dresses, elevating the profane and ordinary to be extraordinary. From slavery to supremacy. Instrumentalizing fashion in this way is daring and a show like this cannot be repeated. It was long overdue and I am glad it happened now.
That was being kind. Costume and couture are very different things. This was more Party City than anything else. I’m sorry Pyer missed the opportunity to show us that an American can really do couture. And let’s not even talk about the music. Disconnected Distracting Distasteful
@@ac718202 just make sure you know what haute couture is first. This is not a history museum show. Also, please go to school and learn how to spell. Thanks
@@joshl.6982 it’s actually called colloquialism. I’m not writing a dissertation, douche bag. And HE stated what the purpose of the show was and it was CERTAINLY about history
Artists (especially non-white artists) are feeling torn between protest (attempt to slam the breaks on the system with your work) or progress (attempt creation of innovative value for the people). With this show, Kerby chose protest.
If the point was to say that haute couture fashion is silly, dated and not worth the status its elevated to...ok. If the point was to say something else....it was saying to much to be heard. The stage performance was saying Grammys, the costumes were saying camp, and the gowns were saying "we don't belong here." In all this you don't hear Pyer Moss.
Lol, Salvador Dali was told the exact same thing back in his day for his 'Fountain' artwork, yet today, over 70 years later, we learn about it and find it beautiful and inspirational. Even if he has shown people's expectations of "Couture", would it really satisfy your appetite? I think the biggest question here is: How can I understand why Pyer Moss did this show? Sorry, for me, this show, it's pure art.
In no world would it ever be acceptable to compare a gimmicky designer to a phenomenal artist. It’s people like y’all (that are not even into the idea of fashion) who are quick to boost LITERAL garbage only cause it sits on green grasses - and that only illustrated how many people are used to shitty flavors, thus endorsing poor taste. Never disrespect the dead for the sake of giving terrible presentations good ratings.....
That was a lot ! like everything. A flip flop, refrigerator and a Black impowerment speech. I respect the work effort, but I dont think Pyer was ready for the Haute Couture. Then The constant repeating of gang, gang, gang, twerk? if that is what he was saying? I am looking forward to seeing where he takes it in the next collection.
Well......that was a lot! To much as a matter of fact, the props overwhelmed the models and distracted from what might have been interesting garments. The rapper the dancers, the chorus it was like 3 different shows going on at once, w/3 different themes. Liken it to having the radio/and the t.v and record player on all spewing separate and unequal content !!!LOL
I'd like this to be an argument and not a discussion. I'm interested in what you think about my opinion and don't want to convince you that my opinion is right:) I think that you forget some things about this right here: Fashion is art. Fashion is a way to express who you are and what you want to say. Though. not everyone sees fashion in the same way. There are different styles and different favours and, you know, maybe I'm wrong and just a kind-hearted person believing in the best of everyone but Myer Moss and the team behind the label are trained staff, who have all studied fashion design and you know if they wanted to make a creamy dress with the background story of the invention of the peanutbutter, instead of putting a fabric jar on a persons body, THEY WOULD. High fashion designers aren't lazy, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to study fashion and become so well known. So still: fashion is art. And with this collection they're honoring black peoples' inventions. If you don't like the way they did so, then that's something about your style. Now tell me isn't this correct?
Sunday service, overwhelmingly political, couture absence, trying to give some shock value but all he gave is…. Even don’t know myself, what I just watched… lol
Remember the movie “Boomerang” and Eartha Kit was horrified from seeing the Strangé commercial….. that’s my reaction after seeing this fashion show!!! 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
I appreciate the black history. The speech and dancers and whatever set the mood now let the design do all the work. The cheesy Halloween costumes and the traffic lights and peanut butter jar was sad.
COUTURE !!!!! hahaha it is to laugh....you can't design from a frame of reference that you have no relationship with !!! If you dont have a relationship with couture, or it's life style than you have an animated concept of what you may think it is. And this collection l feel is that result of a long distance relationship.
This has to be the WORST “fashion” show in History…….none of this would be editorial worthy unless Ebony Magazine did a “black designer” edition….even then, you could find more talented designers. This whole show is a joke and shows they have no idea about Hauté Couture
@@fumaclan08 As it deserves, but what’s is YOUR point? That his current “meh” collection erases all his previous brilliant body work? Fuck what the reviews say for second. Do you think he’s is a goons designer bc THIS collection wasn’t that great?
I’m not sure what everyone thinks but I’m interpreting this show as poking the bear. Too black? Lemme show you black. Too ethnic? Lemme show you ethnic. Feels like he’s making a mockery. I fuck with it tbh. Couture has been boring. This is a nice change, for me at least.
all of these comments are the epitome of uncultured and unaware.. none of y'all know NOTHING about art/fashion, camp, blurred lines and deeper messages. its one thing to not really rock with someones vision because you don't understand it, but these comments are exactly why Pyer is pivotal and Kerb is the goat.. everyone is expecting the ideal European non diverse exclusion that "real" haute couture gives and Pyer is distinctively opposite
The only way to compete with the brilliance of the current euro supremacy in couture is to develop something that is just as great, this collection is simply not a great example of it.
@@acreatedhuman8655 this is actually completely wrong... common household haute couture designers that we know and love and are familiar with were never created with the intent to be like everyone else. Fendi is nothing like Louis Vuitton, Bottega is nothing like Dior, and so on just the same way that Pyer Moss is nothing like any brand we've seen before and THATS what makes it great. from the concepts, ideas, and messages to the very fabric its made with is what makes it different, anything else is completely subjective to the consumer and that's okay, but to try and compare any brand and try and make it synonymous with this brand and to fit idiosyncrasies of euro centric haute couture (to which Pyer Moss is the complete opposite) to this brand especially based off consumer opinion is just not correct
@@ashlimorgan This could have been more beautifully made, instead of being too literal which rather made it look like a costume collection than a couture one. One of the difficult things to do in Haute Couture is to separate costume and couture. The line is fragile that's why it takes skills to make it happen. However, Pyer Moss was not the first designer who had ever failed the test. There were so many more designers. As you mentioned Camp, you can also take a look at all the couture designs at the Camp Met Gala. Some did the right choice without being a costume while some did not. Correct that Hautre Couture is to be different but not every difference is haute couture.
@@brokebutexpensive not everything is meant to rub everyone the right way... fashion/art is and always will be subjective to the artist as well as the consumer and the goal Kirby has always had in mind when it comes to Pyer Moss is to disrupt the normal or what's "traditional" haute couture.. again, most may not be in favor of this particular collection, but those that are, understand his stance on "not fitting in" and creating pieces that stray away from what we're typically used to seeing. For example, Met Gala camp is something that we see as a typical idea of what Camp should exemplify and numerous "traditional" haute couture designers have made pieces that of course are not meant to actually be worn as an everyday piece, however with Pyer Kirby is taking the idea as well as essence of camp in this scenario and taking it a step further to promote whatever message he wants to portray at that time, and this of which is his own display of haute couture, which again is totally subjective to him the designer, as well as the viewers/consumer
This is a mess. I honestly liked the choir collection, but it felt like the best he could do. Which isn't a good sign so early in your career. The gimmick of just doing collections when he wants and doing couture now - only serves the purpose of minimizing the opportunities to critique the work which is quick uninspired and borderline exploitative. The first collection he did with those bullet holes was tacky, to me. It got him so much press along with other connections that now he has the coin to so this. And peanut butter - Moschino wanna be - costume irony - poorly executed - as a nod to our grandparents? I'd love to know what his inspirations would like when they're not exploiting black pain or blackness / period.
Nothing says oppression like an invitation to show your work at Haute Couture Week, the most privileged and exclusive club in fashion world. 🙄 So delusional, so dishonest.
i’m confused about your comment.. what’s wrong with the show being held at this particular club? in order to get recognition, they need an audience. if it’s a POPULAR club, why not take the opportunity to showcase black inventions.. where else did you want them to hold the show at?
@@alanikairyu8696 I have nothing against his participation in haute couture week. I'm just pointing out his dishonesty. Pretending to be a victim while showing your work at the most prestigious and exclusive fashion event is ridiculous. What kind of 'liberation' does he need?! This is not what oppression looks like. Just show your collection like everyone else, spare us the lectures. If he wants to fight real oppression, he should pay attention to the gross violations of human rights in China, the Middle East, etc.
@@alexdaw7310 “pretending to be victim” so victims of police brutality were pretending? is racial injustice, racial inequality, racism, etc are fallacies? it’s not ridiculous.. if you want to make a show about black inventions, then you have to include black history. “real oppression,” i’ll take it as you’re a non-black person because black people, as well as other poc, are most definitely oppressed; they’re minorities, and marginalized for a reason. why would he talk about issues that don’t relate to black inventions and black history? this is about black people.
@@alexdaw7310 it’s evident that the message is to uplift and embrace black people, culture, and our history. i still can’t get over the fact that you said he needs to focus on “real oppression,” like when has it ever been fake😩 what are you trying to say? this is about BLACK people, once again. the issue in china has nothing to do with black people, it’s about human rights violations against turkic muslims.. as for the middle east, that doesn’t involve black people either so???
@@alanikairyu8696 Uplifting black people by perpetuating victim mentality? Victim mentality demoralises people, creates helplessness and dependecy on others. How can it be helpful? Representatives of oppressed groups cannot become president, VP, defence secretary, influential celebrities, millioners, billioners, etc., etc., and they certainly can not be chosen to participate in the most prestigious fashion events in truly oppressive societies (like ones in China and the Middle East). And oppressive societies do not try to uplift oppressed groups by practicing affirmative action and quotas. They, you know, oppress these groups instead by significantly limiting their freedoms, their rights, and so on. Police brutality is not a problem of particular race. Data clearly shows that number of unarmed Blacks and unarmed Whites killed by police is comparable. But nobody cares about cases with unarmed Whites, nobody riots over them, media does not spin these stories into national scandal.
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it’s deeper then fashion . it’s the MESSAGE! love kerbito for this
Many designers push forth ideas and messages through their fashion. In the hands of a good designer, the fashion packs as much punch as the message. Here, does the fashion stand up to the significance and power of the message?
if u not BLACK u won’t understand it .
@@sliggityslime judging by the comments these folk really don't get it 😂😂
All that and they ain't have no bottle of hot sauce!?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
15:45 when yo mom decided to make her own haute couture dress
funny
The message was in the speech rather in the fashion. The fashion was very… (what is the word?) “decorative”. It just wasn’t enough.
I mean I can’t seriously complain when I see potential in the completely whimsy. Costumes are also a field we dominate 🤷🏾♂️… albeit where is the beef?
Is this the Emperors New Clothes or something because I’m still waiting to see the Haute Couture.
Do you understand the concept ? It's a tribute to Black excellence and inventiveness. obviously, for clients items will be adapted for wearability but it's more bout the statement than traditional haute couture, though the same restrictions of 15 full-time staff members, multiple fittings, and handwork still apply.
@@HIMYNAMEISRYRY I understand the concept but still trying to visualise the couture and and how one can adapt a mobile phone to wear on a night out or jar of food.
@@ILIUSCOV its unlikely that those items will ever be produced (like most haute couture) and if they are worn it'll probably be by Cardi or Doja Cat. I think looks punctuated other wearable items and were just meant to tell a story, I don't think it should be taken so seriously or regarded so preciously as haute couture often is.. look at Margiela Couture.. its the same situation as far as wearablity goes and he's regarded as a genius;
@@HIMYNAMEISRYRY true but personally I didn’t rate this collection from a couture prospective. I just wasn’t drawn to it.
Dressing a woman in a “ Party City” peanut butter jar costume with your logo to honor the impact, contribution and influence black people have had on this earth isn’t fashion.
On paper the concept is genius. 98% of what was shown is lazy tacky, uninspired gimmicky attempt for press and attention.
Such a wasted opportunity to really research and push forward our narrative into something beautiful new and fresh that every collection up to this has been.
I’m a designer myself and I was so hype for this collection because Pyer is a really amazing designer I look up to. Take away MCJW mansion, performers stage press, front row etc. What is left is Halloween costumes sale rack. Very disheartening. The level of these designs don’t at all reflect our Black excellence or the depth of your talent. Come on PM!!!
Couldn’t agree more
It was really hard for me to process the collection. I was expecting REAL COUTURE from Kerby and all we got was customs. How are the French suppose to take American fashion houses serious. Kerby had one assignment and he completely went the opposite, this was suppose to be a perfect opportunity and platform to showcase his real talent and to change and breakaway from the stereotypes that black designers usually fall under. ( I have noticed that a lot of black designers rely on hype for press attention, which I am totally tired of ). I just want black designers to be taken seriously and not a joke. Haute Couture is serious business and should be taken lightly in terms of presentation.
So disappointing and embarrassing for the culture. And to think he was invited to Paris couture to show this I’m speechless
Jonathan Moore you articulated MY thoughts even better than I could have attempted. I agree a THOUSAND percent. All I could think as I watched this monstrosity is that 'they looked like school play costumes'. And then you had a rapper, rapping about 'killing n//gas' and other foolishness that didn't need to be included in a show that was supposed to be celebrating blkness and blk accomplishments.
I'm glad you can see. This is a mess. I honestly liked the choir collection, but it felt like the best he could do. Which isn't a good sign so early in your career.
The gimmick of just doing collections when he wants and doing couture now - only serves the purpose of minimizing the opportunities to critique the work which is quick uninspired and borderline exploitative.
The first collection he did with those bullet holes was tacky, to me. It got him so much press along with other connections that now he has the coin to so this.
And peanut butter - Moschino wanna be - costume irony - poorly executed - as a nod to our grandparents?
I'd love to know what his inspirations would like when they're not exploiting black pain or blackness / period.
I love the whole concept!
I am embarrassed, pissed off, disappointed, angry.... THEY are laughing at us
who?
This guy doesn't not know what haute couture means.
Why do you care what THEY think…
LMAOOOOOOOOO I CANT BELIEVE HIM! IM SO DISAPPOINTED. I Was Expecting BLACK GLAMOUR! What He Gives With His Shows But x 10! He Literally Sent Costumes Down The Runway & Called It HAUTE COUTURE 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫 WOWWW Like I’m So Speechless smfh
I’m black form Africa . I know my country , my ancestors and my culture 100%. I don’t spend a full year in America without visiting my grand parents . I’m close to all aspects. I’m mentioning this cause I don’t want people to misinterpret my opinion .
Having lived and also study in Paris France for many years , this show is a fucking mess . Great way to spend your investor’s money !
Absolutely
I'd like this to be an argument and not a discussion. I'm interested in what you think about my opinion and don't want to convince you that my opinion is right:)
Fashion is art. Fashion is a way to express who you are and what you want to say.
Though. not everyone sees fashion in the same way. There are different styles and different favours and, you know, maybe I'm wrong and just a kind-hearted person believing in the best of everyone but Myer Moss and the team behind the label are trained staff, who have all studied fashion design and you know if they wanted to make a creamy dress with the background story of the invention of the peanutbutter, instead of putting a fabric jar on a persons body, THEY WOULD. High fashion designers aren't lazy, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to study fashion and become so well known.
In my opinion everything in this show was exactly the way they wanted it to be and I think it perfectly represented what it should.
So still: fashion is art. And with this collection they're honoring black peoples' inventions. If you don't like the way they did so, then that's something about your style. Or isn't it?
Thoughts?
*remember the first sentence*
:)
It’s fucking trash. I agree.
@@aidenschneider4179 well Said and i 💯 aggre with you
Hi Hater.
Where haute counture?
this show needs a grammy
The score does
No it don’t
What’s this Costumes
🤦♂️ this is a hot mess as far as clothing and couture goes .
But good to see my boy 22gz to be recognized this way . He started a whole movement of drill in bk but never got the proper platform and recognition
Because “Drill” Music is from Chicago….you want him to be recognized for a repackage?
As you and I know probably drill music isn’t for for everyone, but I dare you to do to a place where genre of music is polluar and mention a Chicago artist ! Now , at the same place mention 22GZ and see how people fell and act . If You go to New York , form queens to Bk , to the BX , and somehow in a circle of people that listens that genre of music 22gz gets a lot of credits and acknowledgement .
I’m also not in disent with your argument but 22gz push this genre to a level that’s well recognized, and still isn’t enough cause he doesn’t get the recognition
I got a passion for fashion baby!!!
Definitely not haute couture. But I like how he just shitted on the culture. 😂 Especially in this particular season. Someone must have pissed Kerbito off. 😂😂
Maybe it was the fashion columnist saying his work was too ethnic or black for commercial consumption
22gz in the building yktv folkkkkk🌀🌀
Great work! I would LOVE to find this actual « cover » version one day :)
The music is contradictory to the message at the beginning. He's rapping about killing his black peers.
😂
That’s the point
its 22gz what do you think
son on god ! this show was a hot ass mess How do we go from the speech that is putting the black movement in a positive light to talking about killing NIGGAS like wtf. Not impressed very disapointed.
@@chloedavis3481 its called a juxtaposition.
Thank you fir the share. cut out Audio at 5 0 7 any idea what's out
Yeah that was strange.
Seems like it was a post production edit to omit some things she said about LGBTQIA issues --
twitter.com/museummammy/status/1413981733943484416?s=19
Full unedited speech:
ruclips.net/video/sam1XQGA1gs/видео.html
Why did he call this HAUTE COUTURE?
because he was too much exciting on doing costume collection 😂
Because he doesn't know any better.
Never
because it is...
they couldnt have given him a better mic for the performance??
other than that a lot of empty and elitist criticism in the comments considering this is literally couture lolol
mfs acting like the clothing is bad
I loved the artistry and the few actual garments. That is all. 🤷🏾♀️
So creative!
Draws a few lines......a few white lines laters @ 11:30 the pantomime begins...sniiiiif you're welcome 👌
What a Statement on All levels! Amazing and congratulations. The haute Couture became completely functionalised to be a servant of the message behind the dresses, elevating the profane and ordinary to be extraordinary. From slavery to supremacy. Instrumentalizing fashion in this way is daring and a show like this cannot be repeated. It was long overdue and I am glad it happened now.
Finally someone who appreciates fashion ☺️
😂😂😂
It's halloween, it's not haute couture uhhg
amazing!!
How funny the they cut her mike off at 5:01 when she started talking about the support for the gay's
It seems like it's an audio edit before they posted, not a mic cut during the event itself.
Unedited:
ruclips.net/video/sam1XQGA1gs/видео.html
One thing about Kerby. Pyer Moss runway show will have a message. Love the lane he's created for himself.
This sucked from beginning to 13:49...when I couldn't take it anymore.
Haute couture? LMFAO!
all that was missing was something horned rising from the middle of the cake-tiered platform. #disruptuer
18:46 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Not terrible, but not great.
Very terrible and not great*
We just gunna ignoring the lady wearing peanut butter
Absolutely
@@maxmwegerano7400 fuck it im crazy
@@maxmwegerano7400 fuck it im crazy
AWESOME & AMAZING!!! 💯🧨🔥♥️🥰
This was interesting.
Conceptual art 👌🏾
Why does this feel like a cheap imitation of a Moschino show?? And somebody needs to look up the word couture because this is definitely not it.
really now
tell us more
That was being kind. Costume and couture are very different things.
This was more Party City than anything else. I’m sorry Pyer missed the opportunity to show us that an American can really do couture. And let’s not even talk about the music.
Disconnected
Distracting
Distasteful
What a haute mess, but I found a few pieces for Halloween for sure.
Jus make sure u kno the history first. That was the point. Can u name each inventor? Or even the significance of the home?
@@ac718202 just make sure you know what haute couture is first. This is not a history museum show. Also, please go to school and learn how to spell. Thanks
@@joshl.6982 it’s actually called colloquialism. I’m not writing a dissertation, douche bag. And HE stated what the purpose of the show was and it was CERTAINLY about history
Furthermore, u need a comma after “Halloween”. I also teach English
@@ac718202 hahahaha who are you kidding? You teach English !!!! Who would be stupid enough to hire you?
Artists (especially non-white artists) are feeling torn between protest (attempt to slam the breaks on the system with your work) or progress (attempt creation of innovative value for the people). With this show, Kerby chose protest.
I agree 💯
Not sure about this.....
If the point was to say that haute couture fashion is silly, dated and not worth the status its elevated to...ok. If the point was to say something else....it was saying to much to be heard. The stage performance was saying Grammys, the costumes were saying camp, and the gowns were saying "we don't belong here." In all this you don't hear Pyer Moss.
Does anybody know the song at the 20 minute mark?
Suburban Pt 2- 22Gz
please describe clothes
'Brought to you by our proud Sponsors at Tavistock.'
Audience reaction: puzzlement. #coldrehash and #confusion. The TI specialty.
What's the song of the beginning please ? :)
This is art!! Amazing!!
Коллекция меня вообще не задела. А вот музыка и исполнение - Класс! Супер класс! Хочется крикнуть - девочек уберите! И наслаждаться музыкой...
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What am I missing?
I'm here for 22gz 🙏
No finale walk？
Someone suggested to imply that this is only the first show from a black brand to show at couture week.
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Lol, Salvador Dali was told the exact same thing back in his day for his 'Fountain' artwork, yet today, over 70 years later, we learn about it and find it beautiful and inspirational. Even if he has shown people's expectations of "Couture", would it really satisfy your appetite? I think the biggest question here is: How can I understand why Pyer Moss did this show?
Sorry, for me, this show, it's pure art.
In no world would it ever be acceptable to compare a gimmicky designer to a phenomenal artist. It’s people like y’all (that are not even into the idea of fashion) who are quick to boost LITERAL garbage only cause it sits on green grasses - and that only illustrated how many people are used to shitty flavors, thus endorsing poor taste. Never disrespect the dead for the sake of giving terrible presentations good ratings.....
Snob alar lol. This show was a huge mess and waste of time and money
That was a lot ! like everything. A flip flop, refrigerator and a Black impowerment speech. I respect the work effort, but I dont think Pyer was ready for the Haute Couture. Then The constant repeating of gang, gang, gang, twerk? if that is what he was saying? I am looking forward to seeing where he takes it in the next collection.
Who is the artist rapping ?
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This is Everything Epic, so proud of him 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Well......that was a lot! To much as a matter of fact, the props overwhelmed the models and distracted from what might have been interesting garments. The rapper the dancers, the chorus it was like 3 different shows going on at once, w/3 different themes. Liken it to having the radio/and the t.v and record player on all spewing separate and unequal content !!!LOL
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I’ll stick to true Haute Couture that is Paris Haute Couture....
Awful concepts do not make Couture.
When laziness have popularity and money
YEAH BOY YOU AINT RICH IF YOU AINT LAZY!!!
I'd like this to be an argument and not a discussion. I'm interested in what you think about my opinion and don't want to convince you that my opinion is right:)
I think that you forget some things about this right here:
Fashion is art. Fashion is a way to express who you are and what you want to say.
Though. not everyone sees fashion in the same way. There are different styles and different favours and, you know, maybe I'm wrong and just a kind-hearted person believing in the best of everyone but Myer Moss and the team behind the label are trained staff, who have all studied fashion design and you know if they wanted to make a creamy dress with the background story of the invention of the peanutbutter, instead of putting a fabric jar on a persons body, THEY WOULD. High fashion designers aren't lazy, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to study fashion and become so well known.
So still: fashion is art. And with this collection they're honoring black peoples' inventions. If you don't like the way they did so, then that's something about your style.
Now tell me isn't this correct?
@@aidenschneider4179 You dont know fashion baby!!
@@CC-jy4gr thank you so much for enlightening me with such a comprehensive explanation about which part of what I said was wrong :-)
@@aidenschneider4179 thsts not what fashion would say..
Diggin' this. Security needs his hands at his sides or in front of him. NOT behind his back!
Song?
we want the song please ! :)
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The models look so uncomfortable
Sunday service, overwhelmingly political, couture absence, trying to give some shock value but all he gave is…. Even don’t know myself, what I just watched… lol
15:45 FASHON BABY!!!
i support this but why this dude running off with shawny binladen/pop smoke flow
Very Katy Perry........
Remember the movie “Boomerang” and
Eartha Kit was horrified from seeing the Strangé commercial….. that’s my reaction after seeing this fashion show!!! 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
A Horned ceremony.
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wtf is going on ?????
What is happening 😶
I appreciate the black history. The speech and dancers and whatever set the mood now let the design do all the work. The cheesy Halloween costumes and the traffic lights and peanut butter jar was sad.
COUTURE !!!!! hahaha it is to laugh....you can't design from a frame of reference that you have no relationship with !!! If you dont have a relationship with couture, or it's life style than you have an animated concept of what you may think it is. And this collection l feel is that result of a long distance relationship.
Sista was preaching a word baby it pieces through my soul!!
Ridiculousness from start to finish.
21:40 call me.
What a shockingly unfortunate lost opportunity for American Fashion.......a lot of effort wasted!
Sooo, party city couture......
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This has to be the WORST “fashion” show in History…….none of this would be editorial worthy unless Ebony Magazine did a “black designer” edition….even then, you could find more talented designers. This whole show is a joke and shows they have no idea about Hauté Couture
Pyer is a EXTREMELY talented designer first of all. The message was clear uplifting and groundbreaking however this collection was not his best.
@@jnigelm you are only as good as your last collection……
@@fumaclan08 I don’t agree .That’s NOT a TRUE. That’s a very general narrow minded statement created by the press which the public throws around.
@@jnigelm surrrrrrre……yet this “collection” did not receive rave reviews
@@fumaclan08 As it deserves, but what’s is YOUR point?
That his current “meh” collection erases all his previous brilliant body work?
Fuck what the reviews say for second. Do you think he’s is a goons designer bc THIS collection wasn’t that great?
I’m not sure what everyone thinks but I’m interpreting this show as poking the bear. Too black? Lemme show you black. Too ethnic? Lemme show you ethnic. Feels like he’s making a mockery. I fuck with it tbh. Couture has been boring. This is a nice change, for me at least.
I got something in my eye 🥺✨ Amazing representation of black excellence
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Too much loudness over shadow the art of fashion
Really really disappointed in this show
32 minutes of bullshit.
all of these comments are the epitome of uncultured and unaware.. none of y'all know NOTHING about art/fashion, camp, blurred lines and deeper messages. its one thing to not really rock with someones vision because you don't understand it, but these comments are exactly why Pyer is pivotal and Kerb is the goat.. everyone is expecting the ideal European non diverse exclusion that "real" haute couture gives and Pyer is distinctively opposite
The only way to compete with the brilliance of the current euro supremacy in couture is to develop something that is just as great, this collection is simply not a great example of it.
@@acreatedhuman8655 this is actually completely wrong... common household haute couture designers that we know and love and are familiar with were never created with the intent to be like everyone else. Fendi is nothing like Louis Vuitton, Bottega is nothing like Dior, and so on just the same way that Pyer Moss is nothing like any brand we've seen before and THATS what makes it great. from the concepts, ideas, and messages to the very fabric its made with is what makes it different, anything else is completely subjective to the consumer and that's okay, but to try and compare any brand and try and make it synonymous with this brand and to fit idiosyncrasies of euro centric haute couture (to which Pyer Moss is the complete opposite) to this brand especially based off consumer opinion is just not correct
@@ashlimorgan This could have been more beautifully made, instead of being too literal which rather made it look like a costume collection than a couture one. One of the difficult things to do in Haute Couture is to separate costume and couture. The line is fragile that's why it takes skills to make it happen.
However, Pyer Moss was not the first designer who had ever failed the test. There were so many more designers.
As you mentioned Camp, you can also take a look at all the couture designs at the Camp Met Gala. Some did the right choice without being a costume while some did not. Correct that Hautre Couture is to be different but not every difference is haute couture.
@@brokebutexpensive not everything is meant to rub everyone the right way... fashion/art is and always will be subjective to the artist as well as the consumer and the goal Kirby has always had in mind when it comes to Pyer Moss is to disrupt the normal or what's "traditional" haute couture.. again, most may not be in favor of this particular collection, but those that are, understand his stance on "not fitting in" and creating pieces that stray away from what we're typically used to seeing. For example, Met Gala camp is something that we see as a typical idea of what Camp should exemplify and numerous "traditional" haute couture designers have made pieces that of course are not meant to actually be worn as an everyday piece, however with Pyer Kirby is taking the idea as well as essence of camp in this scenario and taking it a step further to promote whatever message he wants to portray at that time, and this of which is his own display of haute couture, which again is totally subjective to him the designer, as well as the viewers/consumer
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This is a mess. I honestly liked the choir collection, but it felt like the best he could do. Which isn't a good sign so early in your career.
The gimmick of just doing collections when he wants and doing couture now - only serves the purpose of minimizing the opportunities to critique the work which is quick uninspired and borderline exploitative.
The first collection he did with those bullet holes was tacky, to me. It got him so much press along with other connections that now he has the coin to so this.
And peanut butter - Moschino wanna be - costume irony - poorly executed - as a nod to our grandparents?
I'd love to know what his inspirations would like when they're not exploiting black pain or blackness / period.
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Nothing says oppression like an invitation to show your work at Haute Couture Week, the most privileged and exclusive club in fashion world. 🙄 So delusional, so dishonest.
i’m confused about your comment.. what’s wrong with the show being held at this particular club? in order to get recognition, they need an audience. if it’s a POPULAR club, why not take the opportunity to showcase black inventions.. where else did you want them to hold the show at?
@@alanikairyu8696 I have nothing against his participation in haute couture week. I'm just pointing out his dishonesty. Pretending to be a victim while showing your work at the most prestigious and exclusive fashion event is ridiculous. What kind of 'liberation' does he need?! This is not what oppression looks like. Just show your collection like everyone else, spare us the lectures. If he wants to fight real oppression, he should pay attention to the gross violations of human rights in China, the Middle East, etc.
@@alexdaw7310 “pretending to be victim” so victims of police brutality were pretending? is racial injustice, racial inequality, racism, etc are fallacies? it’s not ridiculous.. if you want to make a show about black inventions, then you have to include black history. “real oppression,” i’ll take it as you’re a non-black person because black people, as well as other poc, are most definitely oppressed; they’re minorities, and marginalized for a reason. why would he talk about issues that don’t relate to black inventions and black history? this is about black people.
@@alexdaw7310 it’s evident that the message is to uplift and embrace black people, culture, and our history. i still can’t get over the fact that you said he needs to focus on “real oppression,” like when has it ever been fake😩 what are you trying to say? this is about BLACK people, once again. the issue in china has nothing to do with black people, it’s about human rights violations against turkic muslims.. as for the middle east, that doesn’t involve black people either so???
@@alanikairyu8696 Uplifting black people by perpetuating victim mentality? Victim mentality demoralises people, creates helplessness and dependecy on others. How can it be helpful?
Representatives of oppressed groups cannot become president, VP, defence secretary, influential celebrities, millioners, billioners, etc., etc., and they certainly can not be chosen to participate in the most prestigious fashion events in truly oppressive societies (like ones in China and the Middle East). And oppressive societies do not try to uplift oppressed groups by practicing affirmative action and quotas. They, you know, oppress these groups instead by significantly limiting their freedoms, their rights, and so on.
Police brutality is not a problem of particular race. Data clearly shows that number of unarmed Blacks and unarmed Whites killed by police is comparable. But nobody cares about cases with unarmed Whites, nobody riots over them, media does not spin these stories into national scandal.
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