The Chinese actually started talking Latin to the British in the 1700's because they thought that was the language still being used. Soooo, that's an interesting fact for you all
Do you know how did they still know Latin? Did they have few translators able to speak Latin for centuries,always teaching new generation,to always have atleast some just in case?
as far as I am aware, the only reason they spoke to each other in Latin was because McCartney brought four Chinese Catholic priests as interpreters. who knew Latin and Chinese, but not English.
@Hernando Malinche Wouldn't he be taken to the King of Portugal since they were the ones trading in Japan? Or was this during the 2 kingdoms, 1 crown period?
@@tefky7964 Mostly Christian missionaries, either Nestorians or Catholics. The Nestorians got there first in the 7th century, but eventually lost favour of the Chinese courts, especially after Catholics arrived in the 10th century, but didn't make a big dent until the 13th century.
Fun fact: when Hernan Cortez traveled to Tenochtitlan he brought with him 2 translators. A Mayan woman who could translate Nahuatl (language of the Aztecs) to Mayan and a Spanish sailor that got shipwrecked in the Yucatan peninsula and could translate Spanish to Mayan. So it was essentially a game of telephone.
Not so fun when you learn that woman wasnt a woman but a child that was given to Cortez as price when he was in Yucatan and she would get raped by Cortez multiple times, he would marry her when she got pregnant and had his son who would became one of the first mestizos in the new world.
@@ericktellez7632 Its crazy how the sins of our modern day will eventualy be a tiny blip in history and be forggotten by our descendants and revisioned accordingly.
@@daemonzap1481 If you this history forgives, you haven't read a lot of history.... Things that are perfectly normal today will be seen as monstrosity and perversion by the future generations who'll barely understand how we live day to day. "What.....they bought cheap tables built by workers paid less in poorer countries....? How could they sleep at night....?". We'll never run out of uneducated and judgmental people.
@@MasterMalrubius to me the most amazing part of that in history was that sometimes they would cook it , I know that’s quite violent but I’m just saying
you did that exact thing early in your life, samuel, and in fact the lack of translators would actually expedite your learning, if anything! you'd be in complete immersion after all
@nas8318 This isn't always the case, though. I am learning Russian, and the subject, predicate, and object can often be placed in any order due to Russian's flexible grammer rules.
We all thought the animation signs were just a shortcut. But in reality, everything has been building to this moment, and the real shortcut was the friends we made along the way.
I learned Russian without a vocabulary list. In certain situations, certain things are said. I could initially parrot the sounds when the right situation arose without knowing exactly what it meant but had a general idea from context. A lot of these add up and eventually you start to think in the new language. It wasn't like taking a class where you memorise lists of words. Only after learning to think in Russian was I able to start learning the skill of translating.
Bc the truth hurts...they would dock offshore, fire the cannons all night long(origins of fireworks display n also roots of shock n awe) and then take an away boat next morning armed to the teeth....THAT was how they communicated...violence, murder, rape was a big factor, n just overall intimidation...bc think...this is not a merchant expedition it was always military and they were operating as a small team "taking on" an entire nation
Pretty much like it was during the war, as not long after China invaded. Short, one month, extremely bloody but ultimately Vietnam *actually* won, unlike *the* Vietnam war, which a cease-fire was established, US and allied forces withdrew, NVA used the treaty as toilet paper and finished conquest of the south. How was Vietnam after the collapse of the USSR would be interesting, on the other hand.
Fun Fact: The Yucatan Peninsula, which comprises Belize and a bit of Mexico, got its name due to troubles with communication. When the Spanish arrived, they asked the Mayans, (the natives that lived there) what was the name of the region. The Mayans responded with 'Yucatan', which meant in their tongue: 'I don't understand you'. The Spanish took this at face value, and began to identify the lands there with the name 'Yucatan'
It was the same with the Pima. The Spanish asked the Akimel O'odham or "River People" what they called themselves, and they responded "Pima" meaning "I don't know."
I've been told that places called Nammatis- or variations thereof in Northern Sweden came about the same way. It means nameless in one or more of the sami languages.
@@SirAntoniousBlock I hate to shatter your dreams but that tale is actually a myth. Kangaroo comes from the Guugu Yimithirr word "gangurru" which roughly translates as black kangaroo.
There's a really interesting video of a demonstration of a linguistic technique used to learn an entirely unknown language, with Daniel Everett as the demonstrator. He used this method to learn the Piraha language of the Amazons. It's quite cool to see him do it.
It's not that complicated of a story. God comes to Earth, dies for humanity's sins, resurrects, returns to heaven, coming back again. Story complete. If you skip the more specific things like whether the communion bread is the body of Christ or not, it saves a lot of time and still gets the important parts across.
@@MrBrock314 I suppose. There are a lot of abstract concepts there. I wouldn't know how to describe (a 15th century understanding of) sin to someone. And even just figuring out how to communicate "death" might be hard. Unless the European missionaries were really into miming XP
@@robertwaguespack9414 Of course it was understood. Central America rapidly turned into one of the most Catholic regions of the world. As the Spanish were learning languages like Nahuatl, I imagine things got relatively easy. By 1931, the Spanish had been active in that region for nearly 40 years. I'm particularly curious about first contact moments. For example, when the Magellan Expedition reached the Philippines (the first contact between Europe and the Philippines archipelago), Magellan had a strong interest in attempting to convert local groups to Christianity. This ended up leading to his death, but I'm really curious how those interactions played out, with the limited translation potential of his Malay slave.
Religion attracted people through magic tricks and gold bling. “If you worship me, you can have wealth and power too” That and persecuting other religions
@@Honest_Question Even though I'm atheist myself, I'd say it does make sense. Hegelian dialectics (and later marxian) magnificently include apparatus or theory of certain things being one thing and different things at the same time. E.g. production is also a consumption, because it takes raw materials, machines and people to operate. Vice versa, consumption is also a production, because it creates people.
@@Honest_Question It has a lot to do with it. Though one can not find such a case in the static of formal logic. It is to be found in a dynamic, changing system. Let's look into a person who once was thin slowly becoming really thick. Consequentive states of them are similar, yet extreme states at the beginning and the end are drastically different. A = B = C, yet A ≠ C. You can say, well, there's minor differenses along the way, and you would be right. But there's no things without at least minor difference. Electrons, which are the same in themselves, are located in different areas of spaces, so saying they are the same means abstracting, cutting off "unimportant" or "unessential" difference. And no single "cut-off" is authentic, but rather a system of such a cut-offs, which makes identity and difference of things relative. If things are identical in one cut-off, they could be different in another, and vice versa.
@@mitmeetsmadness You literally disproved yourself. You said similar which by definition is ≠ not = The definition of the trinity is that The son = God The father = God The ghost = God But The father ≠ The son ≠ The ghost
Next time you feel frustrated about having to do compulsory Spanish 101, just remember at least you weren't forcibly shipped to the other side of the world to take it!
@@fearlesspotato3429 Yes and dying of scurvy and smallpox on a large canoe because you were kidnapped by some random pale skinned people was the peak of Mesoamerican existence.
@@fearlesspotato3429 That was true but not until many years later, and definitely not by kidnapping (because one wouldn't survive it thanks to diseases).
@@Sugoie There's still many successful "seminal" shipments (even of shipwrecked europeans living among the natives etc) examples throughout the many colonial histories that helped both parties, and that at least were historical (first amerindians to step into specific countries of Europe etc).
An interesting follow-up to this would be a video on how Lewis and Clark were able to communicate with the Native Americans along their route, and how man people were involved in the chain of translation. And while they were able to communicate effectively, it must have looked like a Monty Python sketch while they were doing it.
York, the enslaved African the richer n older of the two's family owned....HE was the one that was the point man that was always the first to interact with the natives...the natives took a liking to him bc they associated his looks n stature(big dude) with being a great hunter. Bc of his exploits he was promised his freedom after the expedition but of course not. You can look this up but there is a reason his name doesn't get included in history books😕 Sacagewea negotiated procurement of supplies n particularly horse but that was actually with the tribe she was kidnapped from....for ALL the other tribes it was all York.
@@reynaldoflores4522 true but even more importantly, as written in memoirs not my opinion, was the presence of the enslaved African York. The natives ALL took a liking to him specifically.
In México the interpreters of Cortés are widely remembered. Jerónimo de Aguilar had become a slave to the Yucatec Maya and when found by Cortés, he became his first translator. Then when the king of Tabasco gifted them Mallintzin, aka la Malinche, she spoke maya and nahuatl, so it was a string from Malinche to Jerónimo and to Cortés (until she learned spanish and just cut Jerónimo off from the whole chain)
@@jorgec.a3123 It's not actually disrespectful, it was just the re-hispanization of the name Malintzin, which was the nahuatl version of Doña Marina, which was her baptized Spanish name, which in turn was similar-sounding to her (supposed) original name Mallinalli (meaning grass reeds, though this one is disputed). What I do find disrespectful is the use of "Malinchismo" as a term of betrayal of your own culture. She was a strong woman who was sold and given as property, but then made the most of her circumstances to become one of the most powerful women in Nueva España. She didn't betray no one, she just took an opportunity. She was very smart.
@@pepsdeps I love that story! Especially the part where Cortés took her as his consort and had his first child and heir with her, a mestizo, thus truly symbolizing the birth of Mexico: a union between Spain and Meoamerica.
@@Nenufort It is a nice mythologized story for the birth of México (even though irl it is presumed that the child between Cortés and Doña Marina wasn't...completely consensual...). However, the first mestizo child of México was actually born of Gonzalo Guerrero, who was a companion to Jerónimo de Aguilar and ended up incorporating into Mayan culture instead of as a slave. There is a big plaza in Chetumal, Quintana Roo, in honor of the child.
- the natives were kidnapped and forced to learn Spanish while in constant fear of death - the Duolingo Owl kidnaps your family and forces you to learn Spanish while in constant fear of death *Coincidence? I think NOT!*
Kidnaping and forcing them to learn Spanish is not exactly how it happened. Yes, Columbus forced some natives to return with him to Spain, but when he arrived Spain the guy that had just discovered the new world was not received with joy. He was arrested, booed by the people in the street and later punished for his lack of respect for the natives. He was also ordered to return the natives that wanted to to their homeland. Also the Kings decided that they shouldn't trust such important enterprise to be directed solely by Columbus, and split the job between a dozen of men. Conquistadores were difficult to control while they were in America but when they returned to Spain they had to be held accountable.
That actually never trully happened. On the contrary, in Spain it was compulsory to learn nahua or quechua for the priests who wanted to go to America. Learning Spanish was never compulsory. This is what happens when anglos think everybody else acts like them.
@@ramonparada There was literally no obligation to learn Spanish XD I guess they learnt it because they were enslaved and shipped to Spain, so it's only normal to learn the language, but "kidnappint natives and force them to learn Spanish in Spain" was not a thing, it sounds stupid as hell, more so when you are aware of Spain's policy regarding language and actually forcing Spqnish priests to take basic lessons in nahua and quechua if they wanted to ever go to America XD
It's also common to use children as translators, because they learn foreign languages significantly faster than adults. This can observed both among contemporary immigrant children in the West, and among the children of Western missionaries in other continents.
This is true. I’m married to a Filipina, and visiting her family in the Philippines once a year, I’m always amazed at just how fast those kids learn English, and not only learn, but become REALLY good at it from watching kid shows on RUclips. The parents are just in shock at how well they speak lol.
Some Americans went to another Country to be Missionaries. The kids learned to be fluent in the local language. The littlest girl complained that bad boys in the local school taught her brother many very bad words in the other language. It's called "The Other Conquest." You come in with some angle to teach them and they teach you.
This is so interesting to me, especially since I work as a translator. I've always wondered how Europeans communicated with pre-contact civilizations and this answered my question in a more fulfilling way that I expected. Thank you.
@@afdalridwan3813 Kidnapped is such a loaded word and it ignores the reality and complexity of the relations in those times. The natives that were taken to Spain were not restrained, and while you probably can't say that they went on their own free will you can't say that they were forced either. Through time many natives became steemed members of Spanish society thanks to their services to the Crown back in Europe.
Was rewatching “How did France get Nuclear Weapons” and saw this at the end in the suggested and realized I hadn’t seen it before. Probably because it came out 4 minutes ago
One member of my family, D. Juan de Baeza López de Fuenllana, was the first Castilian ever to be fluent in the Purepecha language (spoken in nowadays Mexico)
@@aaronmarks9366 Not sure, although I do not believe that they had such a relationship of trust with the Indians (because they killed the father-in-law of D. Juan, during the first years of the Conquest). Also, the stories that have been preserved have been transmitted by written records and compilations of deeds made throughout the 17th and 18th centuries, so I have not been able to find oral evidence of this particular event. However, it is a proven fact that D. Juan settled in that area of Mexico, at the beginning of the 16th century, since his grandchildren were large landowners and founders of towns, churches, and convents. Even today, the tombs of the two granddaughters (nuns) of D. Juan are preserved: Sor Francisca and Sor Isabel; in the Convent of Santa María de la Gracia in Guadalajara.
As part of their effort to evangelize the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Catholic friars learned the various native languages and evangelized in those languages. These indigenous languages had alphabets that were more pictorial, like hieroglyphics. What the friars did what to apply the alphabet that we use to those languages. Thanks to that, the indigenous people for the first time were able to record this history in a detailed manner.
@@jamesbissonette8002 Oh my God !!! I'm star struck!!! I've been answered by James Bissonette! The one and only! Thank you for making History Matters a reality.
@@jamesbissonette8002 Dude you are such a bro like for real you should get more props. People are so salty nowadays online and irl too and can't josh around or make jokes. 4/5 people I know would get pissed or salty at all this mentioning and memeing but you aren't so cheers mate. It's all in good fun. If my bum ass wasn't poor I would donate more too.
Columbus took 3 boats. There were two brothers who captained the 2 ships and they were the translators. MEaning, they travelled and communicated with the natives long before Columbus did. Columbus was jewish and Spain kicked out all the jews so he had to leave or be killed. Thats why the date he set sail, was the same day jews had to leave Spain!
I think the biggest mistake in history teaching is to view past civilizations as primitive and underdeveloped. Some cultures had technology so advanced (with a lot of human suffering thrown at it) that people today can't even fathom how they did some things. For example the unfinished obelisk of Aswan, Egypt or the Easter Island statues. Modern civilizations discovering those cultures or remnants of them were actually so primitive that they could not think of any way to accomplish similar feats if they had to. I guess that's where all these "ancient aliens" conspiracy theories come from. People just cannot imagine the technology and complexity of past civilizations. Communication is another one. Obviously there were translators throughout history. People who learned another language through enslavement, kidnapping, shipwrecking or envoys sent to other kingdoms and empires. Obviously, learning a language was less voluntary back then than it is now.
"When the first explorers from the warm lands around the Circle Sea travelled into the chilly hinterland they filled in the blank spaces on their maps by grabbing the nearest native, pointing at some distant landmark, speaking very clearly in a loud voice, and writing down whatever the bemused man told them. Thus were immortalised in generations of atlases such geographical oddities as Just A Mountain, I Don't Know, What? and, of course, Your Finger You Fool."
Yucatan is [allegedly] Mayan for "What are you saying?", which is what the natives [are said to have] replied when the Spaniards asked them the name of the place.
@@HO-bndk Not sure if these are true, but I once read that kangaroo is "I don't know what you're saying" in an Australian indigenous language. Also, the llama's name was the result of Spaniards asking a Quechua "como se llama" or "what is that [animal] called" in reference to a llama, and the Quechua, not knowing Spanish, just repeated the last word, "llama."
@@edgarryan8423 Right but the context could be interesting, considering the US technically "leases" the land from Cuba, but Cuba doesn't accept their payment.
@@Weesee_I US leased land from American-backed Cuban government, Communist rebels overthrew said government and instituted a new one, US doesn't care that the government it made the deal with is gone and just keeps doing what it's been doing despite the new government's protests.
Why are so many people saying "with guns"? Europeans literally allied with many native tribes who willingly fought and traded alongside Europeans. This isn't as one sided as you want it to be.
Those were the first probably, the later ones reported their haniuas acts and when colonizing it made our ancestors untrustworthy of those similar looking to their murderers
"Acting something out and then saying the word for it." *shoots someone while holding a sign that reads "Murder"* I'm glad I wasn't sipping at my coffee in that moment.
With hernan cortes he had a shipwrecked spaniard that was living amongst natives for years and knew their language. However, when the spanish went deeper into central America, the languages changed. So , they found a woman who could speak the shipwrecked spaniards native language and could speak the aztecs language. So when cortes met Montezuma the Aztec king, he communicated through 2 translators, alot of information was lost and could not be translated that many times smoothly.
Fun fact: in the book Cronistas do Descobrimento (roughly translating to Chronists of the Discovery), which is a collection of reports of European explorers, settlers, and others, about colonial and pre-colonial Brazil, there is a report by a guy who went to visit a native tribe who was already friendly with europeans and had an european guy who could understand their language and help them communicate with other europeans. This guy went to a party in this tribe that was held to celebrate a military victory over another tribe and they were eating those they defeated. Since the guy couldn't speak their language, when a native offered a bit of human meat to him, he thought he was saying something like "you're next" and shat his pants (not literally but who knows).
I should know this channel's sense of humour well enough by now that it doesn't catch me flat-footed, but still when the dude holds up the sign that says "murder" I just about choked to death on my coffee.
Ive done demonstrations with students where I, without making a sound, direct them to do activities through signs and gestures. Its always a favorite and one that gets the most participation and interest.
@@timoteubert7068 Its not a random question. Its specifically designed to point out that you are making a complete assumption without knowing anything more than a short statement by a random person on the internet.
@@wrex509 I don't need to know anything about your students to know that their backgrounds won't be nearly as different as those of the Europeans and native Americans at that time. Because in today's day and age, people connect and influence each other worldwide. Back then they didn't, for thousands of years.
A crucial correction: Sign languages are fully-fledged languages (it was right in the expression) with vocabulary, grammar, regional variations (dialects), etc. It requires both speakers to know it, and there's a sense of shared culture. There are different languages and they're not mutually intelligible, such as ASL and LIBRAS. That's absolutely different from gesticulating, which is just trying to make someone understand what you mean with some form of motion, usually with your hand alone, attempting to be acultural, so that your point gets across... hopefully. This distinction is actually important because there's still discrimination of deaf people (who are still called "deaf and dumb") because it makes it seems like they aren't able to understand language, which isn't true.
bruv 💀 sign language isn’t just for that. i don’t understand a single word in sign language yet I point every day. pointing is a sign, i’m using the point to communicate something, like a language. plus i don’t know a single person who thinks deaf people can’t communicate.
@@FIVEBASKET These signs, by themselves, are not enough to create what linguists call a language. He may have meant something analogous to "love language", but "sign language" is an expression that has a specific meaning, so his use was innacurate--and I simply pointed that out. I'm not sure why people are getting sensitive over this.
My grandfather started a farm in Rhodesia in 1916. Within 2 years he could speak 2 African languages as could my father. In the tribal areas it was initially the missionaries that learned African languages and taught the indigenous English. A schooling system was created that taught O and A levels resulting in a population that generally speaks good English.
@@andrewwalter7991 I’m disappointed you didn’t write: “It’s you and me Manifesting my destiny” Manifest Destiny was an American policy but it was about subjugating and integrating the lands from sea to shining sea.
In Perú they actually started teaching spanish and having mixed marriages really fast so the first mixed generation (mestizos) was the ones who wrote the chronicles and spread knowledge.
Gotta enjoy, although brief, this small history of my island 🇩🇴 but yeaa even within Hispaniola, the Tribes there spoke different dialects (Classical Taino, Ciboney, Macorix, Ciguayo). Since Spaniards didn’t really understand, they labeled everyone who helped them as Taino (good people) and Caribs (Those who wanted to do harm to them).
As a Brit i just assumed we rocked up on a new shore, showed off our firepower, pointed to the spices and then pointed to our boats whilst nodding encouragingly.
If I remember correctly, Columbus carried with him a priest who had studied some basic notions of Chinese (because the expedition was supposed to land in China to open a trade route) and was the first to tell him that the people they had found spoke no Chinese, nor anything akin to it. Don´t ask me what Chinese method he had studied.
*Fun Fact:* When the Europeans asked the Australian natives that what that hopping creature was? They replied “Kan-ga-roo”, which meant, “I don’t understand you”.
I don’t think so. I’ve traveled a lot to places where no one spoke English, and every time they got the idea when I was trying to learn the proper term for an object or animal.
@@blockmasterscott And the story regarding the terminology is before the European Colonization which subsequently made it sure that “one spoke English”.
Great question. Always wanted to know about this. Looks like the first brutal beginnings of comprehensible input in learning and teaching foreign languages. Thank goodness for Duolingo, Babbel and Rosetta Stone now 😊
At your local university's linguistics department, you may be able to take a field methods course. It's quite fun. The core insight, perhaps, is that there are people all over the world who love language and are eager to communicate. Another practical method-I leave it to you to contemplate the ethical considerations in light of the particularities-is to shack up, relying on even more basic impulses to bridge the gap. It turns out that if you share space with someone for any length of time, communication is quite useful and can be fairly organic.
What I find super amazing is that since most of the Native American languages weren’t written, the European missionaries had to invent writing systems for them once they learned the language.
The other side of that is, whenever European missionaries found a written language, they did their best to stamp it out. That happened in the Americas, the Philippines, Easter Island and no doubt elsewhere. Don't forget how the Christian church was allowed to stamp out pagan learning in Europe and the Middle East from the Emperor Constantine's time onwards. No-one was allowed to teach Etruscan, Babylonian or Egyptian.
@@faithlesshound5621 ah no they didn't....with a few exceptions Spanish priests maintained native culture, and protected their customs, and what they found...they literlñay started a university and allowed them to join and learn without renouncing their earlier culture entirely....educate yourself
@@freefromthedark6784 That was enlightened of the priests, to allow pagans to study without adopting Roman Catholicism. Should I look for details on New Advent?
@@faithlesshound5621 you have a disgustingly biased name and also your facts are completely wrong, and you clearly don't understand what the Ecumenical Councils were.
Also gotta remember, you live in a world where travel is extremely faster than the era you are imagining...migration patterns were slow, foot based, animal based, or wind based.....sooooo different languages were more like gradually different dialects until a certain point of your voyage but that also means when you get where you are going people were familiar with the people you immediately left to get to them. So there was a common linguistic connector in that type of travel.
There’s something just so satisfying about watching these little rectangular guys and their signs lol. Thank you for another fun one! Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you friends. :)
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The Chinese actually started talking Latin to the British in the 1700's because they thought that was the language still being used. Soooo, that's an interesting fact for you all
Do you know how did they still know Latin? Did they have few translators able to speak Latin for centuries,always teaching new generation,to always have atleast some just in case?
as far as I am aware, the only reason they spoke to each other in Latin was because McCartney brought four Chinese Catholic priests as interpreters. who knew Latin and Chinese, but not English.
@Hernando Malinche Wouldn't he be taken to the King of Portugal since they were the ones trading in Japan? Or was this during the 2 kingdoms, 1 crown period?
Chinese: Salve et grata ad te
The brits: veni vidi vici
@@tefky7964 Mostly Christian missionaries, either Nestorians or Catholics. The Nestorians got there first in the 7th century, but eventually lost favour of the Chinese courts, especially after Catholics arrived in the 10th century, but didn't make a big dent until the 13th century.
Fun fact: when Hernan Cortez traveled to Tenochtitlan he brought with him 2 translators. A Mayan woman who could translate Nahuatl (language of the Aztecs) to Mayan and a Spanish sailor that got shipwrecked in the Yucatan peninsula and could translate Spanish to Mayan. So it was essentially a game of telephone.
Also the mayan woman became his concubine
Not so fun when you learn that woman wasnt a woman but a child that was given to Cortez as price when he was in Yucatan and she would get raped by Cortez multiple times, he would marry her when she got pregnant and had his son who would became one of the first mestizos in the new world.
@@ericktellez7632 historical revisionism
@@ericktellez7632 Its crazy how the sins of our modern day will eventualy be a tiny blip in history and be forggotten by our descendants and revisioned accordingly.
@@daemonzap1481 If you this history forgives, you haven't read a lot of history.... Things that are perfectly normal today will be seen as monstrosity and perversion by the future generations who'll barely understand how we live day to day.
"What.....they bought cheap tables built by workers paid less in poorer countries....? How could they sleep at night....?". We'll never run out of uneducated and judgmental people.
Ah yes, the basics of communication : food shelter Jesus gold and boats.
Finds new land , “ WANT SOME JESUS GET YOURS NOW TODAY , you will be murdered if you don’t get some
@@me-sm8fd And give us your gold
@@me-sm8fd Yeah not like anyone cut out hearts to sacrifice to their god.
@@MasterMalrubius found the christian
@@MasterMalrubius to me the most amazing part of that in history was that sometimes they would cook it , I know that’s quite violent but I’m just saying
As somebody currently learning another language, the concept of trying to learn a language with no previous translators hurts me on another level.
well, political prisoners in other countries and babies do it all the time
As an Interrpreter , I'm really glad I came across this video !
you did that exact thing early in your life, samuel, and in fact the lack of translators would actually expedite your learning, if anything! you'd be in complete immersion after all
It's not so daunting if you already speak several languages. You realize that all languages share the same core structure subject-predicate-object
@nas8318 This isn't always the case, though. I am learning Russian, and the subject, predicate, and object can often be placed in any order due to Russian's flexible grammer rules.
We all thought the animation signs were just a shortcut. But in reality, everything has been building to this moment, and the real shortcut was the friends we made along the way.
Lost reference?
So true
⬜ SERCH ADITYA RATHORE, HE ALSO MAKES INFOMATIVE CONTENT LIKE HISTORY MATTERS⬜
Cringe
@@sadettinarslan5324 The real reference was inside us all along.
History Matters always answers the questions we didn’t ask but needed to know.
Actually I asked myself this question a few times before this video
he is good at making videos about things we have at some point thought about but were too lazy to google
Fror Productions me too
I asked
he answers the questions we didnt need but the ones we deserve
"They used the only language they knew always worked..." I was absolutely sure you were gonna say: "...violence"
Well, they did. They kidnapped them
..that was the backup lang....>
They got slaved by the natives, hippies weren't a thing in the XV century.
Same.
Me too!
This is exactly the question that has been in my mind for 10 years that none of my History class teachers could precisely answer
Well, then, this video was as interesting for you as it was for me... and I found it very interesting!
I learned Russian without a vocabulary list. In certain situations, certain things are said. I could initially parrot the sounds when the right situation arose without knowing exactly what it meant but had a general idea from context. A lot of these add up and eventually you start to think in the new language. It wasn't like taking a class where you memorise lists of words. Only after learning to think in Russian was I able to start learning the skill of translating.
Same here.
Bc the truth hurts...they would dock offshore, fire the cannons all night long(origins of fireworks display n also roots of shock n awe) and then take an away boat next morning armed to the teeth....THAT was how they communicated...violence, murder, rape was a big factor, n just overall intimidation...bc think...this is not a merchant expedition it was always military and they were operating as a small team "taking on" an entire nation
Lol me too
“What was Vietnam like after the Vietnam war?” would be a good future video idea. Love ur Channel.
Wait, I see this recommendation before.
Yes
Pretty much like it was during the war, as not long after China invaded. Short, one month, extremely bloody but ultimately Vietnam *actually* won, unlike *the* Vietnam war, which a cease-fire was established, US and allied forces withdrew, NVA used the treaty as toilet paper and finished conquest of the south.
How was Vietnam after the collapse of the USSR would be interesting, on the other hand.
A Chinese puppet state
@@elijahgreybosh7882 fairly confident Vietnam sided with the Soviets more than china. Vietnam and china hate eachother
Ah yes, signs. Guess we should have seen this coming from this channel lol
All along, he was trying to how us a sign
it's how he said boogie lee woogie lee without a snicker
And crude drawings!
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And see that demonstrating actions meant murder
Fun Fact: The Yucatan Peninsula, which comprises Belize and a bit of Mexico, got its name due to troubles with communication. When the Spanish arrived, they asked the Mayans, (the natives that lived there) what was the name of the region. The Mayans responded with 'Yucatan', which meant in their tongue: 'I don't understand you'. The Spanish took this at face value, and began to identify the lands there with the name 'Yucatan'
It was the same with the Pima. The Spanish asked the Akimel O'odham or "River People" what they called themselves, and they responded "Pima" meaning "I don't know."
So you are telling me Latin America has multiple "Valley of Gold", "Silver River", and most importantly the land of "IDFK what you are talking about"
This story is repeated when the British asked Australian aborigines what that animal was, the reply was "I don't understand" or _kan garoo._ 😆
I've been told that places called Nammatis- or variations thereof in Northern Sweden came about the same way. It means nameless in one or more of the sami languages.
@@SirAntoniousBlock I hate to shatter your dreams but that tale is actually a myth. Kangaroo comes from the Guugu Yimithirr word "gangurru" which roughly translates as black kangaroo.
There's a really interesting video of a demonstration of a linguistic technique used to learn an entirely unknown language, with Daniel Everett as the demonstrator. He used this method to learn the Piraha language of the Amazons. It's quite cool to see him do it.
Daniel.
I read this as the Piranha language and was looking for info if the fish was named the same as the language because they both exist in the Amazon >_
Oh god, I read as Piranha lmao.
Common translator trick: "They just made a joke that doesn't make sense for us. Just laugh."
Yea my french teacher used to get us chocolate with jokes on the back turns out humor translates incredibly bad
I love colloquial metaphors
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@@aratirao9007 no
Europeans shot first then asked the questions so it was quite easy ''speak'' to Natives actually...
James Bisonette obviously taught the Europeans how to speak to the natives
Is there anyone more Chad than James bisonette!
@@500ccRabbit Kelly Moneymaker
Kelly moneymaker bank rolled the whole thing
What about IZZY?
Obviously
The thing I'm genuinely the most interested in is how missionaries were able to explain Christianity in mere days sometimes.
It's not that complicated of a story. God comes to Earth, dies for humanity's sins, resurrects, returns to heaven, coming back again. Story complete. If you skip the more specific things like whether the communion bread is the body of Christ or not, it saves a lot of time and still gets the important parts across.
@@MrBrock314 I suppose. There are a lot of abstract concepts there. I wouldn't know how to describe (a 15th century understanding of) sin to someone. And even just figuring out how to communicate "death" might be hard. Unless the European missionaries were really into miming XP
@@TheMaplestrip actually the part about there being one God was understood when explained by Cortez.
In 1531 there was the miracle of Guadalupe.
@@robertwaguespack9414 Of course it was understood. Central America rapidly turned into one of the most Catholic regions of the world. As the Spanish were learning languages like Nahuatl, I imagine things got relatively easy. By 1931, the Spanish had been active in that region for nearly 40 years.
I'm particularly curious about first contact moments.
For example, when the Magellan Expedition reached the Philippines (the first contact between Europe and the Philippines archipelago), Magellan had a strong interest in attempting to convert local groups to Christianity. This ended up leading to his death, but I'm really curious how those interactions played out, with the limited translation potential of his Malay slave.
Religion attracted people through magic tricks and gold bling. “If you worship me, you can have wealth and power too”
That and persecuting other religions
I love that he included the “is/is not” Trinity explanation. Priceless.
Sadly that doesn't make sense even in english 😂
@@Honest_Question Even though I'm atheist myself, I'd say it does make sense. Hegelian dialectics (and later marxian) magnificently include apparatus or theory of certain things being one thing and different things at the same time. E.g. production is also a consumption, because it takes raw materials, machines and people to operate. Vice versa, consumption is also a production, because it creates people.
@@mitmeetsmadness That has nothing to do with it.
Please tell me _anything_ where A=B and B=C but C≠A
@@Honest_Question It has a lot to do with it. Though one can not find such a case in the static of formal logic. It is to be found in a dynamic, changing system. Let's look into a person who once was thin slowly becoming really thick. Consequentive states of them are similar, yet extreme states at the beginning and the end are drastically different. A = B = C, yet A ≠ C.
You can say, well, there's minor differenses along the way, and you would be right. But there's no things without at least minor difference. Electrons, which are the same in themselves, are located in different areas of spaces, so saying they are the same means abstracting, cutting off "unimportant" or "unessential" difference. And no single "cut-off" is authentic, but rather a system of such a cut-offs, which makes identity and difference of things relative. If things are identical in one cut-off, they could be different in another, and vice versa.
@@mitmeetsmadness You literally disproved yourself.
You said similar which by definition is ≠ not =
The definition of the trinity is that
The son = God
The father = God
The ghost = God
But
The father ≠ The son ≠ The ghost
"they used the only correct form of communication: they used signs".
I died
I don't get it
@@waldoman7 I think signs are the main stereotype of this yt channel, and so, the narrator has a bias for them
I thought it was body language
*Translator:*
"They said they want to steal your heart sir"
"awww"
*Translator:*
"No litteraly"
🤣
The fact there is a chance that the conversation happened in reality with the Aztecs is special indeed
That comment has a huge meme potential.
*Magua:* Greybeard, before you die, know that I will put under the knife your children. So I will wipe your seed from the earth forever.
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Next time you feel frustrated about having to do compulsory Spanish 101, just remember at least you weren't forcibly shipped to the other side of the world to take it!
Hey, I'll take it.
Take me to Europe to learn a new language and culture.
Just... don't ship me back.
Yeah because abandoning an underdeveloped mess for the most advanzed civilization on earth was definitely a terrible thing
@@fearlesspotato3429 Yes and dying of scurvy and smallpox on a large canoe because you were kidnapped by some random pale skinned people was the peak of Mesoamerican existence.
@@fearlesspotato3429 That was true but not until many years later, and definitely not by kidnapping (because one wouldn't survive it thanks to diseases).
@@Sugoie There's still many successful "seminal" shipments (even of shipwrecked europeans living among the natives etc) examples throughout the many colonial histories that helped both parties, and that at least were historical (first amerindians to step into specific countries of Europe etc).
An interesting follow-up to this would be a video on how Lewis and Clark were able to communicate with the Native Americans along their route, and how man people were involved in the chain of translation. And while they were able to communicate effectively, it must have looked like a Monty Python sketch while they were doing it.
They had with them Sacagawea, who could communicate in sign language.
That's different. By that time there were many people on both sides that knew different languages
York, the enslaved African the richer n older of the two's family owned....HE was the one that was the point man that was always the first to interact with the natives...the natives took a liking to him bc they associated his looks n stature(big dude) with being a great hunter. Bc of his exploits he was promised his freedom after the expedition but of course not. You can look this up but there is a reason his name doesn't get included in history books😕 Sacagewea negotiated procurement of supplies n particularly horse but that was actually with the tribe she was kidnapped from....for ALL the other tribes it was all York.
@@reynaldoflores4522 true but even more importantly, as written in memoirs not my opinion, was the presence of the enslaved African York. The natives ALL took a liking to him specifically.
Actually, there's a pretty good SNL sketch about them 😆
In México the interpreters of Cortés are widely remembered. Jerónimo de Aguilar had become a slave to the Yucatec Maya and when found by Cortés, he became his first translator. Then when the king of Tabasco gifted them Mallintzin, aka la Malinche, she spoke maya and nahuatl, so it was a string from Malinche to Jerónimo and to Cortés (until she learned spanish and just cut Jerónimo off from the whole chain)
Malinche or Marina, Malinche is rather disrespectful
@@jorgec.a3123 It's not actually disrespectful, it was just the re-hispanization of the name Malintzin, which was the nahuatl version of Doña Marina, which was her baptized Spanish name, which in turn was similar-sounding to her (supposed) original name Mallinalli (meaning grass reeds, though this one is disputed).
What I do find disrespectful is the use of "Malinchismo" as a term of betrayal of your own culture. She was a strong woman who was sold and given as property, but then made the most of her circumstances to become one of the most powerful women in Nueva España. She didn't betray no one, she just took an opportunity. She was very smart.
@@pepsdeps I know she didn't betray anyone that's why I don't think Malinche is appropriate, thanks for your clarification anyways
@@pepsdeps I love that story! Especially the part where Cortés took her as his consort and had his first child and heir with her, a mestizo, thus truly symbolizing the birth of Mexico: a union between Spain and Meoamerica.
@@Nenufort It is a nice mythologized story for the birth of México (even though irl it is presumed that the child between Cortés and Doña Marina wasn't...completely consensual...).
However, the first mestizo child of México was actually born of Gonzalo Guerrero, who was a companion to Jerónimo de Aguilar and ended up incorporating into Mayan culture instead of as a slave. There is a big plaza in Chetumal, Quintana Roo, in honor of the child.
That “Murder” sign when a Spanish arquebusier shot a native.
Peak dark humor
Very dark humor indeed
Had me in stitches
Quality content right there.
Or when a native shot a Spaniard.
- the natives were kidnapped and forced to learn Spanish while in constant fear of death
- the Duolingo Owl kidnaps your family and forces you to learn Spanish while in constant fear of death
*Coincidence? I think NOT!*
🙂
Kidnaping and forcing them to learn Spanish is not exactly how it happened. Yes, Columbus forced some natives to return with him to Spain, but when he arrived Spain the guy that had just discovered the new world was not received with joy. He was arrested, booed by the people in the street and later punished for his lack of respect for the natives. He was also ordered to return the natives that wanted to to their homeland. Also the Kings decided that they shouldn't trust such important enterprise to be directed solely by Columbus, and split the job between a dozen of men. Conquistadores were difficult to control while they were in America but when they returned to Spain they had to be held accountable.
That actually never trully happened. On the contrary, in Spain it was compulsory to learn nahua or quechua for the priests who wanted to go to America. Learning Spanish was never compulsory. This is what happens when anglos think everybody else acts like them.
@@ramonparada There was literally no obligation to learn Spanish XD I guess they learnt it because they were enslaved and shipped to Spain, so it's only normal to learn the language, but "kidnappint natives and force them to learn Spanish in Spain" was not a thing, it sounds stupid as hell, more so when you are aware of Spain's policy regarding language and actually forcing Spqnish priests to take basic lessons in nahua and quechua if they wanted to ever go to America XD
The Duolingo Owl was directly responsible for the Septermber 11th terror attacks on New York City.
fun fact: James Bisonette's ancestors come from Tuscany, he's a direct descendant from a modest family called de' Medici
How did you know this?
Edit: nvm I get it now
@@german_doggy7314 r/woooosh
@@SakethCVES Shut.
I don’t get it.
@@SakethCVES r/thatsnotveryfunnybruhpleaseconsiderbeingfunnynexttimeasthatwouldbeconsideratetothosearoundyou
It's also common to use children as translators, because they learn foreign languages significantly faster than adults. This can observed both among contemporary immigrant children in the West, and among the children of Western missionaries in other continents.
What age of the child?
@@nickrodriguez3850 over 5 at least.
This is true. I’m married to a Filipina, and visiting her family in the Philippines once a year, I’m always amazed at just how fast those kids learn English, and not only learn, but become REALLY good at it from watching kid shows on RUclips.
The parents are just in shock at how well they speak lol.
Some Americans went to another Country to be Missionaries. The kids learned to be fluent in the local language. The littlest girl complained that bad boys in the local school taught her brother many very bad words in the other language. It's called "The Other Conquest." You come in with some angle to teach them and they teach you.
This is so interesting to me, especially since I work as a translator. I've always wondered how Europeans communicated with pre-contact civilizations and this answered my question in a more fulfilling way that I expected. Thank you.
Kidnapped them and forced them to learn your languange
Save your 1 decade research
@@afdalridwan3813 Kidnapped is such a loaded word and it ignores the reality and complexity of the relations in those times. The natives that were taken to Spain were not restrained, and while you probably can't say that they went on their own free will you can't say that they were forced either. Through time many natives became steemed members of Spanish society thanks to their services to the Crown back in Europe.
@@hullie7529
"Kidnapped is _such_ a loaded word"
You're embarrasing yourself.
Well, if you _always_ wondered, you were never really that adept at it to begin with.
I know Columbus made a friend/servant who learned Spanish
Perfect video, short and straight to the point. Good job👌
I assumed it was through a number of clicks and hand gestures.
j
Wasn't expecting to see you here.
I thought it just went straight to kidnapping them and forcing them to learn it
Or used aliens as translators if history channel is to be believed.
@@humzahahmad2818 Well to be fair, it often was that.
Was rewatching “How did France get Nuclear Weapons” and saw this at the end in the suggested and realized I hadn’t seen it before. Probably because it came out 4 minutes ago
When I see something new from this channel I click on it instantly
So, literally Arabic was the international language that time. 🤣🤣
Narration: "acting something out.."
Animation: "Shoots someone and then displays murder"
😂😂😂
That cracked me out SO hard, too! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@micheltanaka2420 The sound effect was perfect.
Truly a master of the comedic arts
This is awesome. Ive always wondered how they communicated and why thats rarely if ever discussed in history courses.
Anything is achievable with funding from James bisonette.
All you need is a Patreon account and a dream
Whatever happened to pointing at something and S P E A K I N G V E R Y S L O W L Y in English (or Spanish?)
Darn; we've been doing it wrong...? 😳😳
İ am waiting for interstellar travel
The house of Bissonete is wealthier than Mansa Musa, The Habsburgs and Crassus combined.
With James bissonnette's money we can colonize by then.
The "go away" sign had me dying. 🤣
One member of my family, D. Juan de Baeza López de Fuenllana, was the first Castilian ever to be fluent in the Purepecha language (spoken in nowadays Mexico)
That's really interesting, did he live among them for a while to learn it?
@@aaronmarks9366 Not sure, although I do not believe that they had such a relationship of trust with the Indians (because they killed the father-in-law of D. Juan, during the first years of the Conquest).
Also, the stories that have been preserved have been transmitted by written records and compilations of deeds made throughout the 17th and 18th centuries, so I have not been able to find oral evidence of this particular event.
However, it is a proven fact that D. Juan settled in that area of Mexico, at the beginning of the 16th century, since his grandchildren were large landowners and founders of towns, churches, and convents. Even today, the tombs of the two granddaughters (nuns) of D. Juan are preserved: Sor Francisca and Sor Isabel; in the Convent of Santa María de la Gracia in Guadalajara.
@@edu_pl A proven fact, indeed. He died in the city of Morelia (former Valladolid), where I live. One street in my neighborhood was named after him.
@@jorgetovar3969 This must be like seeing the grandson of Einstein in your class.
As part of their effort to evangelize the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Catholic friars learned the various native languages and evangelized in those languages. These indigenous languages had alphabets that were more pictorial, like hieroglyphics. What the friars did what to apply the alphabet that we use to those languages. Thanks to that, the indigenous people for the first time were able to record this history in a detailed manner.
My brain at 3am: Yes, this will definitely be helpful for my statistics test in a couple of hours
Same here, have a statistics exam in a day 😆😆
Good luck on the test!
Isn't it like summer break right now?
@@Admiral45-10 some people take summer classes
@@Admiral45-10 also, there is a southern hemisphere
The background effect you put behind the signs was hilarious lmao.
I wonder how the Vikings did it, so many years before Columbus.
You tell me!
Battle axes
Considering they didn't settle there or didn't spend a lot time there I'm gonna guess they just used their hands and whatever worked to communicate
Most likely never got past simple signs in the short time they mightve seen SOME people
Dead people do not communicate...
Tu és o maior! Respondes a questões que eu já me pergunto à anos.
Obrigado 💯
1:02 that was dark...
They counted on James Bissonette, he's very multilingual down to his name.
Barely monolingual but appreciated nonetheless!
@@jamesbissonette8002 Oh my God !!! I'm star struck!!! I've been answered by James Bissonette! The one and only! Thank you for making History Matters a reality.
@@jamesbissonette8002 what a chad
@@jamesbissonette8002 Dude you are such a bro like for real you should get more props. People are so salty nowadays online and irl too and can't josh around or make jokes. 4/5 people I know would get pissed or salty at all this mentioning and memeing but you aren't so cheers mate. It's all in good fun. If my bum ass wasn't poor I would donate more too.
@@gromhellscream1624 Same for me.
History matters and geography now my favourite channels.
This is one of my burning historical questions. Ever since I've started learning history, I just wondered how they communicated.
sent pigeons across the atlantic like Medieval google translator
Columbus took 3 boats. There were two brothers who captained the 2 ships and they were the translators. MEaning, they travelled and communicated with the natives long before Columbus did.
Columbus was jewish and Spain kicked out all the jews so he had to leave or be killed. Thats why the date he set sail, was the same day jews had to leave Spain!
I think the biggest mistake in history teaching is to view past civilizations as primitive and underdeveloped. Some cultures had technology so advanced (with a lot of human suffering thrown at it) that people today can't even fathom how they did some things. For example the unfinished obelisk of Aswan, Egypt or the Easter Island statues. Modern civilizations discovering those cultures or remnants of them were actually so primitive that they could not think of any way to accomplish similar feats if they had to. I guess that's where all these "ancient aliens" conspiracy theories come from. People just cannot imagine the technology and complexity of past civilizations. Communication is another one. Obviously there were translators throughout history. People who learned another language through enslavement, kidnapping, shipwrecking or envoys sent to other kingdoms and empires. Obviously, learning a language was less voluntary back then than it is now.
answer: The same as any other two civilizations that didn't initially understand each other.
Sign language 😂
Thank you for giving us the answer directly and not hiding it behind a 16 minutes video...
They spoke in the universal language of violence
🤣🤣
@@mysterious7215 Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist China IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO!!
Violence and violence Never changes
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@@matpk USA in 2021 is more agressive
"When the first explorers from the warm lands around the Circle Sea travelled into the chilly hinterland they filled in the blank spaces on their maps by grabbing the nearest native, pointing at some distant landmark, speaking very clearly in a loud voice, and writing down whatever the bemused man told them. Thus were immortalised in generations of atlases such geographical oddities as Just A Mountain, I Don't Know, What? and, of course, Your Finger You Fool."
Yucatan is [allegedly] Mayan for "What are you saying?", which is what the natives [are said to have] replied when the Spaniards asked them the name of the place.
Terry Pratchett's Discworld saga has left some traces ...
@@jacobsxavier6082 Indeed. Pratchett is fantastic read and frankly world would be a batter place if everyone read his books ;)
@@jannegrey593 I couldn't agree more, his vision for urban police force is my favorite
@@HO-bndk Not sure if these are true, but I once read that kangaroo is "I don't know what you're saying" in an Australian indigenous language. Also, the llama's name was the result of Spaniards asking a Quechua "como se llama" or "what is that [animal] called" in reference to a llama, and the Quechua, not knowing Spanish, just repeated the last word, "llama."
Columbus was an art major. His drawings were so accurate the natives knew every European language just by looking at a cow.
Caballo is horse...
Holy shit, that’s left field!
I wonder what would happen if he failed art school
@@magsaysayandres7078 I have no idea. There seems to be no historical precedent for such an occurrence!
@@mypetbeardedragon2186 Everybody is gangster until Columbus grows a silly mustache
I love the animation on these videos so much, it's hilarious
The dialogue signs FINALLY have a significant role, in this video hehe
This one has actually been in the back of my mind for a while now.
“Why does the United States still own Guantanamo Bay?” could be a good video, similar to History Matter's video on why Russia owns Kaliningrad
Answer is simple, America said so
@@edgarryan8423 Right but the context could be interesting, considering the US technically "leases" the land from Cuba, but Cuba doesn't accept their payment.
@@Weesee_I US leased land from American-backed Cuban government, Communist rebels overthrew said government and instituted a new one, US doesn't care that the government it made the deal with is gone and just keeps doing what it's been doing despite the new government's protests.
Russia owns Kaliningrad, because neither Poland or Lithuania wanted to take it.
@@natnew32 Right, which is why they don't accept the US payment for the "lease," since they don't see it as legitimate.
Why are so many people saying "with guns"? Europeans literally allied with many native tribes who willingly fought and traded alongside Europeans. This isn't as one sided as you want it to be.
especially in latín América. Most native got along with the spanish people
Those were the first probably, the later ones reported their haniuas acts and when colonizing it made our ancestors untrustworthy of those similar looking to their murderers
"Acting something out and then saying the word for it."
*shoots someone while holding a sign that reads "Murder"*
I'm glad I wasn't sipping at my coffee in that moment.
trash english Lisa.. learn sign language ;)
Europeans shot first then asked the questions so it was quite easy ''speak'' to Natives actually...
Europeans: “Hello, do you understand me?”
Natives: …???…
Europeans: “….have you heard of James Bisonette?”
Natives: “I understand perfectly“
Went looking for someone who had made that joke. I'm glad i wasn't disappointed
Stop it! You had no right to be this funny!😂😂😂
He is the Ahmed Ziad Turk of History Matters.
Later the Europeans find out the golden statue of James Bisonette
@@eduardogutierrez4698 Extra History?
With hernan cortes he had a shipwrecked spaniard that was living amongst natives for years and knew their language.
However, when the spanish went deeper into central America, the languages changed. So , they found a woman who could speak the shipwrecked spaniards native language and could speak the aztecs language.
So when cortes met Montezuma the Aztec king, he communicated through 2 translators, alot of information was lost and could not be translated that many times smoothly.
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Thank you! We've watched every episode several times and this is still our favorite channel.
Who we?
First UFO sighting in America.
Unidentified Floating Object
vikings were first to Newfoundland
@@xxxBradTxxx technically greenland
@@briangarcia7384 Lief Erikson made it all the way to Canada. But they didn't set up a colony.
@@xxxBradTxxx He did. Anse Meadows. Almost certainly "Markland", and we even have a firm date (AD 1021, from tree-rings).
This video is not a whole one without spinning three plates.
Standing still 0 plates this time around
Spinning 3 plates is my fav.
2:21 for anyone curious
Nor without Kelly moneymaker.
*tries to find three plates in the kitchen*
Oh wait you meant the patreon guy.
Fun fact: in the book Cronistas do Descobrimento (roughly translating to Chronists of the Discovery), which is a collection of reports of European explorers, settlers, and others, about colonial and pre-colonial Brazil, there is a report by a guy who went to visit a native tribe who was already friendly with europeans and had an european guy who could understand their language and help them communicate with other europeans. This guy went to a party in this tribe that was held to celebrate a military victory over another tribe and they were eating those they defeated. Since the guy couldn't speak their language, when a native offered a bit of human meat to him, he thought he was saying something like "you're next" and shat his pants (not literally but who knows).
I should know this channel's sense of humour well enough by now that it doesn't catch me flat-footed, but still when the dude holds up the sign that says "murder" I just about choked to death on my coffee.
At 0:35, the "Bad luck" sign, hilarious 😂
Ive done demonstrations with students where I, without making a sound, direct them to do activities through signs and gestures. Its always a favorite and one that gets the most participation and interest.
Although your students have the same culture, unlike native americans and europeans.
@@timoteubert7068 Would you stake your life on that assumption?
@@wrex509 What a stupid, random question.
@@timoteubert7068 Its not a random question. Its specifically designed to point out that you are making a complete assumption without knowing anything more than a short statement by a random person on the internet.
@@wrex509 I don't need to know anything about your students to know that their backgrounds won't be nearly as different as those of the Europeans and native Americans at that time. Because in today's day and age, people connect and influence each other worldwide. Back then they didn't, for thousands of years.
This covered the basics like food, shelter, *Jesus* , gold and boats.
Cash, Clout, and Christ
A crucial correction: Sign languages are fully-fledged languages (it was right in the expression) with vocabulary, grammar, regional variations (dialects), etc. It requires both speakers to know it, and there's a sense of shared culture. There are different languages and they're not mutually intelligible, such as ASL and LIBRAS.
That's absolutely different from gesticulating, which is just trying to make someone understand what you mean with some form of motion, usually with your hand alone, attempting to be acultural, so that your point gets across... hopefully.
This distinction is actually important because there's still discrimination of deaf people (who are still called "deaf and dumb") because it makes it seems like they aren't able to understand language, which isn't true.
who cares
bruv 💀 sign language isn’t just for that. i don’t understand a single word in sign language yet I point every day.
pointing is a sign, i’m using the point to communicate something, like a language.
plus i don’t know a single person who thinks deaf people can’t communicate.
He meant sign language as having a actual sign
@@FIVEBASKET These signs, by themselves, are not enough to create what linguists call a language. He may have meant something analogous to "love language", but "sign language" is an expression that has a specific meaning, so his use was innacurate--and I simply pointed that out. I'm not sure why people are getting sensitive over this.
@@DrVictorVasconcelos ye k I apologize
My years long question is finally answered !
Thank you historymatters
I like how you used the doctrine of the Trinity as the complex concept right after mentioning Jesus. :)
Thank you for covering this subject. I’ve never understood it even as a child.
My grandfather started a farm in Rhodesia in 1916. Within 2 years he could speak 2 African languages as could my father. In the tribal areas it was initially the missionaries that learned African languages and taught the indigenous English. A schooling system was created that taught O and A levels resulting in a population that generally speaks good English.
The theme song for this period of history would be the pokemon theme song, with the word pokemon replaced with colonise.
Gotta colonise em all
@@andrewwalter7991 I appreciate this song. Have a like, fellow internet user!
@@andrewwalter7991 I can't stop laughing! I can't breath 😂😂😂
@@andrewwalter7991 Replace “Understand” with “subjugate”
@@andrewwalter7991 I’m disappointed you didn’t write:
“It’s you and me
Manifesting my destiny”
Manifest Destiny was an American policy but it was about subjugating and integrating the lands from sea to shining sea.
"well for this, they used the only form of communication"
Me: Guns?
"they used signs"
Me: oh..didn't expect that
And guns, how else would you explain the murder sign?
😂😂😂
the fact that you depicted indigenous americans accurately will never be forgotten my be. thank you🪶🖤
History mixed with peak humour will always be my favourite.
I hope your channel becomes #1 history channel on RUclips someday.
In Perú they actually started teaching spanish and having mixed marriages really fast so the first mixed generation (mestizos) was the ones who wrote the chronicles and spread knowledge.
I have probably heard the name James Bissonette more than any historical character by now. Must be a great man.
Bissonette. James, Bissonette
Meh, not that great
@@jamesbissonette8002 So do you make a lot of money? And how do you feel about being a meme now?
1:13 when talking about complicated things and uses the holy trinity as an example😂
Cuz it's complicated and religion of the invaders.
@@Tuo-G also the religion of native Levant + North Africa before Muslim conquest and colonized Irish, Poles, Croats, Lithuanians.
@@andridefian Crusades 😮💨
Gotta enjoy, although brief, this small history of my island 🇩🇴 but yeaa even within Hispaniola, the Tribes there spoke different dialects (Classical Taino, Ciboney, Macorix, Ciguayo). Since Spaniards didn’t really understand, they labeled everyone who helped them as Taino (good people) and Caribs (Those who wanted to do harm to them).
As a Brit i just assumed we rocked up on a new shore, showed off our firepower, pointed to the spices and then pointed to our boats whilst nodding encouragingly.
😂😂😂😂
that would genuinely be scary a pale white ghost pointing at weird objects and pointing and nodding omg i cant imagine the fear
You always cover the things I’ve always wanted to know but never considered. I love this channel so much!
I imagine a Translator saying: They want you to go away
Lol
If I remember correctly, Columbus carried with him a priest who had studied some basic notions of Chinese (because the expedition was supposed to land in China to open a trade route) and was the first to tell him that the people they had found spoke no Chinese, nor anything akin to it. Don´t ask me what Chinese method he had studied.
@Hernando MalincheThey studied the " ` " Chinese language.
@Hernando Malinche The method of the fortune cookie
@@hanhdhsj When you realize Fortune Cookies are entirely American and have nothing to do with China:
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They were originally invented in Japan but they evolved into their modern form in the USA
this is what keeps me up ta night
Who needs documentaries when you have channels like yours and overly simplified to make it better here on RUclips. I love it👍
It's amazing how many times I've laughed out loud while learning some interesting things on your channel!
I'm from the Dominican Republic and watching my country in your thumbnail really warms my heart! I love your content! Cheers!
Yeah, i like they put the names of the different regions of Ayiti/Kiskeya at 1:55
Viva la Madre patria!
*Fun Fact:* When the Europeans asked the Australian natives that what that hopping creature was? They replied “Kan-ga-roo”, which meant, “I don’t understand you”.
that's apparently also a myth
I don’t think so. I’ve traveled a lot to places where no one spoke English, and every time they got the idea when I was trying to learn the proper term for an object or animal.
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And the story regarding the terminology is before the European Colonization which subsequently made it sure that “one spoke English”.
@@prysp I hate it when I have typos darrnit! 🤣
then england killed all of them for not speaking in english
Your list of Patreons at the end, sounds like names of people who would make a great crew for a pirate ship.
James Bissonette is a great name for the captain!
@@shan4680 Yeah, sounds iconic
I feel I would get sea sick
@@jamesbissonette8002 will....you can just fund the ocean and make it stable
I love this channel! Fun factual tidbits with amusing illustrations to hammer the points home. Keep up the great work!
Great question. Always wanted to know about this. Looks like the first brutal beginnings of comprehensible input in learning and teaching foreign languages. Thank goodness for Duolingo, Babbel and Rosetta Stone now 😊
At your local university's linguistics department, you may be able to take a field methods course. It's quite fun. The core insight, perhaps, is that there are people all over the world who love language and are eager to communicate.
Another practical method-I leave it to you to contemplate the ethical considerations in light of the particularities-is to shack up, relying on even more basic impulses to bridge the gap. It turns out that if you share space with someone for any length of time, communication is quite useful and can be fairly organic.
i didnt know that i desperately needed to know this
Same.
everyone : Making memes on James bisonette
kelly money maker : *Cries in the inside*
Jordan Longlay, Gustav Swan and Aaron the White: People know who you are?
It’s a bit ridiculous
@@jamesbissonette8002 omg the legend himself , hope you're doing well big man , i like your name alot
I’ve honestly thought about this question for so many years. Thanks for the great content!!
i was having this question for such a long time.
thanks.
What I find super amazing is that since most of the Native American languages weren’t written, the European missionaries had to invent writing systems for them once they learned the language.
The other side of that is, whenever European missionaries found a written language, they did their best to stamp it out. That happened in the Americas, the Philippines, Easter Island and no doubt elsewhere.
Don't forget how the Christian church was allowed to stamp out pagan learning in Europe and the Middle East from the Emperor Constantine's time onwards. No-one was allowed to teach Etruscan, Babylonian or Egyptian.
True. Jesuit in New France wrote the sound W with doesn't exist in French as the number 8. Makes for fun reading like in Otta8a.
@@faithlesshound5621 ah no they didn't....with a few exceptions Spanish priests maintained native culture, and protected their customs, and what they found...they literlñay started a university and allowed them to join and learn without renouncing their earlier culture entirely....educate yourself
@@freefromthedark6784 That was enlightened of the priests, to allow pagans to study without adopting Roman Catholicism. Should I look for details on New Advent?
@@faithlesshound5621 you have a disgustingly biased name and also your facts are completely wrong, and you clearly don't understand what the Ecumenical Councils were.
Finally history matters actually answers a question that I've wanted to know for so long
Ok I just DIED @ 1:28 😭☠️🤣
I’ve wondered this about ancient cultures as well especially considering all the spice, tea and silk trading.
Also gotta remember, you live in a world where travel is extremely faster than the era you are imagining...migration patterns were slow, foot based, animal based, or wind based.....sooooo different languages were more like gradually different dialects until a certain point of your voyage but that also means when you get where you are going people were familiar with the people you immediately left to get to them. So there was a common linguistic connector in that type of travel.
There’s something just so satisfying about watching these little rectangular guys and their signs lol. Thank you for another fun one!
Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you friends. :)
You too, big guy, with your wholesome comment. Best wishes.
"why did the Empire of Brazil become a republic?" would be an interesting future video idea.
Too niche.
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When?
@საბა
That doesn't even make sense.
Because they liked bananas?
There are countries that did the right thing by getting rid of their monarchies but Brazil was definitely not one of them.
"And a special thanks to: James Bisonette, someone i forgot, someone i forgot, someone i forgot, someone i forgot, someone i forgot..."
Hilda oinkoink, max pascowski, spinny three plates, kelly moneybags///
Boogillywoogilly.
Many questions answered, thank you!