It's not Hans's play specifically that makes me think he cheated, it's the fact that pros like Magnus, Hikaru, Ding, Fabi, etc ... they can all recite insane lines from memory. You ask them to evaluate a game and they will break it down like a computer in front of you. But in an interview Hans couldn't explain anything. He was fumbling through everything, misexplaining moves, contradicting himself and his prep. He's playing like he's at the top level but can't explain anything like all the top players can? That's sus.
I get what you’re saying but it’s also possible he’s just an awkward teenager that isn’t good at public speaking. He’s not even 20 years old and being put on blast lol. You ever had your mind just go blank while under pressure?
@@CadeDubs ok he's also an admitted cheater and in evaluation he's playing better than any human has before. Better than Bobby at his peak, better than peak Magnus, better than peak Kasparov. So he's either still cheating like he admits he did in the past ... or he's the greatest chess player in human history.
not to mention all the other juniors, and hans doesnt look socially awkward at all in interviews, as the body language people say, he comes across as a liar. not even a very good one. all those emotional distractions and exaggerations; so few concrete details. lance armstrong was a better liar.
@@CadeDubs But it's important to note that even IMs can play blindfolded. The people saying Hans is cheating don't mean he's a shit player. They mean he's like a 2600 using occasional engine help at key moments in certain tournaments to play as a 2700+.
@@CadeDubs Being able to recite a game (multiple games) is easy. GMs can recite games from years ago even. The ability to memorize some games does not say much at all. I dont think anyone is denying that Hans is a GM level player. But being able to provide near-engine accurate analysis of multiple lines of the game at various positions is the hard part, and this is where Super-GMs can stand out from the rest. I'm not claiming Neimann is a cheater. It's entirely possible he was nervous and tired, thus being unable to provide the accurate analysis one would expect. That's okay. It's also okay to be suspicious, because every other super-GM can provide the analysis lines. Hans couldn't. Again, this does not prove that he cheated.
In fairness, whilst super surprising to a lot of people, he knows and can recognise the opening pretty easily. Therefore the first bunch of moves have a name to someone like Hikaru. After that, I would imagine that 10-20 moves are trivial to him in terms of remembering them. Amazing yes, still something he’s been working on for a bunch of years of his life.
I mean, yeah. I couldn't do it, that's for sure. But I can see how it's possible. When I watch Hikaru play on stream or youtube, however, he does things which seem way more impossible - at least for me. How can he calculate so many moves in advance over several boards while blindfolded for example. Just boggles my mind. Another thing is, he plays very good players - arround 2000 elo (which is way beyond my punching weight), and just beats them like nothing. When I would play them, they would seem impossible obstacle. But when Hikaru plays them, they just blunder pieces left and right. It's not chess - it's some sort of black magic. Not even mentioning there are players like Carlsen who are even beyond that. These GM's are insane.
I agree 100%. There are at least two people suspected of cheating at each tournament I attend lately. Yet because it is someone providing a tip having witnessed phone usage in the bathroom or game discussion in the hallway, little to nothing is actually done. Secondly, I frankly have noticed that most chess tournament TDs (even at huge events like the Las Vegas Open) have no backbone whatsoever. They made an announcement claiming if you are caught with your phone, you will first get a harsh warning... How is that announcement itself not the first warning, meaning if you are caught with a phone you are subsequently disqualified!??
Seems like Chess has a problem with admitting there's a problem. Like baseball and steroids. Chess orgs seem to think the game is too good to have cheaters. It's arrogance. Every game has cheating fucks. Chess is no different.
Hi Andrew! Seth from China 21 here. Didn’t realize you are an active part of the chess community but cool to see. Small world. I’m sorry to hear about your negative tournament experiences. Hope you’ve been well otherwise. A lot has changed in the past five years!
I just played a large Open tournament where phones were 'strictly' prohibited, but the organizers were telling you if you wanted to look up standings, pairings, etc. you should look at this certain website - so most people were clearly on their phones right before a round looking at the website, so they obviously had their phones on them. No-one acknowledged that this was a HUGE contradiction in policy/rules.
I recently went to a chess tournament and went out for a smoke mid match (it had been like 2 hours I needed a break) and watched memes on my phone while smoking. I realized when I got home when I could totally have used my phone to analyse the position as I could pretty much remember the position from memory. I wasn’t even hiding, I was right in the front door.
I forget that in chess at a grandmasters level it takes a few computer moves to get an advantage . So basically you don't even have to cheat for the whole game just the key moment... And if you are a grandmaster you can get yourself to end game with that advantage...
Yeah. Cheating is especially more difficult catch redhandedly when the people cheating are already decently high level players unless you're blatantly doing it to do it but that's rare. People used to cheating get better and better at cheating after they get caught. But because their adversaries are also high level, those people can tell when a game doesn't look "proper". Even in other sports and games, it's usually the already high level players that are cheating more frequently. Add monetary incentive to that.
And think about Hikaru now. The more professional you are, the easier it is for you to cheat. He can use engine on streams to make it more entertaining. I've seen him get 99,5 score and it's looking weird.
@@d_plays I was literally about to say this. When your're GM good, you don't need to know what exact moves you need to make, just that there is a play to be made.
7 years ago. Now you can print Ear Wigs with flesh tone to easily disguise on the visible part of ear canals especially if you have longer hair. Also difficult to be detected by metal detector, the 3D printed pewpews actually scary because of it.
@@TheFenrirulfr Feb. 2022 The US Inspector General of The DOJ released a statement regarding certain 3D printed guns and their capability to be undetected by metaldetectors. But I guess you don't keep up.
@@TheFenrirulfr There's a law that states because of it's undetectability that 3D Printed Pewpew need to have "some metal parts" like the firing pin in order to be legal. If someone plans to make one for nefarious means they won't follow that law.
@@TheFenrirulfr then simple google search shows you that conventional metal detectors used for building, and personally even at court, do not get tipped off by Airpods. It's easy to sneak in a home made fleshtoned ear wig to these chess events.
@Creatotron It's showing you wrote your comment 1 day after Ashish, so I assume you don't know how much time either. Anyway I'm guessing there's an inside joke I completely missed
Hikaru keeps saying the video is a joke, but if I remember well when Vlad Tkatchiev talked about this video on blitzstream's channel the intent was to show how easy it was to cheat at the game in order to raise awareness and "pressure" organizers to put in more serious anti-cheat measures. The intent was not to make a joke video.
Host: "Hans what did you have for breakfast this morning?" Hans: (Discretely moving right arm and twirling fingers rapidly) "Well that would have really depended on the brand of mattress of which I had been at rest on the previous night" (Now waving both arms and frantically wiggling his fingers above his head) 🤣
This was 7 years ago, and another point is that they probably didnt spend the money it would cost, or even had the connections, to get top of the line stuff. Imagine now, with the funds, knowledge and the desire to cheat, I personally think it would be pretty simple to get by some metal detectors..
Vlad is a friend of blitzstream, he said he rented the material back then for the equivalent of 50€ for the day. So yeah, this is pretty much the cheapest stuff you could get and the results are already pretty alarming.
Looking beyond Chess, a pair of smart glasses and an earpiece could get you top marks on all important exams like the SAT, the Bar exam for attorneys , etc. There needs to be countermeasures.
@@ryanhanson3365 not singlehandedly + the key point was that it's extremely easy, likely to the point that cheating would take more time than it's worth it's also possible that they were referring to inherent importance, which the SAT is almost entirely devoid of despite the more significant judgements based on it
My very smart friend was kind of an underachiever in HS but killed the SATs, earned a scholarship, and was able to go to just about any college he wanted.
In fact, Hikaru nails it with this video, even though 7 years old. AN tiny earpiece would NOT be detectable by a standard wand sweep. Spy quality earpieces would be 99% plastic undetectable to a metal detector. The only metal "part" would be the antenna, which would be a short wire less than the thickness of a human hair. The standard metal detector wand sweep would not have the required sensitivity to pick this up, the less than razor thin wire. This could also be super glued invisibly to a scalp on a person with thick hair. High stakes tnmnt Chess is doomed. 😫
0:29 Subtitles on : "we just set some context here uh because we're watching this video, this is I believe this is LIVE SOFT KETCHUP I don't know I mean I pronounce the Russian names terribly..."
The best way to prevent cheating in chess would be if they put thick layer of tin foil around the room. This blocks all kinds of signals going in and out.
I feel like a player like Magnus can tell the difference between when he's playing a human and playing a bot. He could probably even guess with fair accuracy which engine he's playing.
@@NOLASkaGuitarist he cant guess which engine he is playing, engines play mostly the same, with the execption for AI engines that play like humans, engines have very computer moves to them, they make moves that dont make sense, they work towards getting the most out of a position, if one inaccuracy on magnus, the engine will immeidatly be in the position to win, if you play against engines enough, you will understand that they move like engines, humans make more logical moves, like sacrifice often, make moves that can shift the whole narrative of the game, while engines just play very quietly, very small moves that give them the advantage to their posistion, if the human makes one error, ive noticed that they will play extremely humanlike afterwards, but sometimes humans can play like engines, however, there has been statistical analysis of Hans games over the past years and present, and it shows that he did indeed likely used engines to beat opponents in tourmenamnts. but u cant tell which engine a person is using or which version they are using just by playing them, you can get a feeling your opponent is cheating, but not which engine lol
Great demonstration, kudos for Daniil to show off how cheating could be that easy! This is a real problem in chess tournaments, wether online where it's so easier and physical ones.
Implanted ear piece for thermal detection evasion; Sub-dermal vibrating implant for move relay via morse code; Sub-lingual vibrating implant; Anal beads; Hemi-Sync astral projecting Dlugyfish; The list goes on.
I wonder how many tournaments have organized cheating with help from the director, inviting people to come pay fees, and then keeping the prize money for themselves. Sandbagging is another issue.
Why do you think magnus is so much better than everyone and he wins all the tourneys? It's similar to every other pro sport where all the top guys take steroids.
Weightlifting had this thing happen in the olympics. Athletes had predestined placings based on payoffs to the committee. If the athletes didn't do as they were told and miss attempts they were immediately tested and popped for PED's. It was insane news. Till this day, they are facing issues with the olympic committee on reorganizing and the extreme amounts of PED positive tests to the point of being removed as a sport entirely. I'm sure crazy corruption like this happens in all sports.
@@okaydetar821 That's an odd comparison. PED's enhance physical capabilities. I'm sure to some extent, chess players take beta blockers or uppers, but mind games like chess aren't as easily manipulatable with just drug enhancements. Of course, you can make the argument for being the number 1 in anything comes with speculation of somehow cheating, since its very likely that the top ends of most sports are riddled with cheaters. It's the argument that either puts that person in the .0001% of human genetics or the lance armstrong of they've just been getting away with cheating the entire time too.
@@Rizzerio1 My claim was that most top chess players cheat, I wasn't actually saying they were using steroids, they mostly bribe the opponent to lose with pre-planned games that they set up in advance, or they use an earpiece etc.. there are a lot of ways to cheat.
If I were to help a GM win a game I would just use an infrared laser to signal him that his opponent made a mistake. That should be enough. Imagine feeling the eval bar on your hand.
On a side note, modern Bluetooth headphones do not trigger metal detectors, not sure how inconspicuous they can get, however bone induction is a thing too, wouldn't be hard to surgically install one of those.
Would it surprise your to learn that you can make electronics without metal? It's not recommended but certainly possible and would avoid any metal scanners. Keeping that in mind you don't need a very efficient communication device, maybe for a few moves in critical moments would suffice. A decent try would be to have frequency jammers to block Bluetooth and WiFi signals in the playing hall, if you can accomplish that, and assuming there are no insider deals (like a security detail adding the cheater) then it's only physical devices (like a phone chess computer) on the players you have to account for which is easier to manage than electronic signals like voice or morsecode communication.
Cheating in chess has become an epidemic. I play a lot of chess. It's basically like everybody online is cheating. I'm a 2267 rated player. It's very odd when you are at that level and lose 3 games in a row to somebody rated 1200. Especially when the time is 10 minutes with a 5 second interval
No, online cheating as a whole has been a worsening issue. Society is moving towards a online lifestyle since the inception of the internet, exacerbated by covid. These days, you can make a living by just having a online presence. There is just too much monetary incentive for it not to become a focus these days. Cheating/hacking/scrubbing/etc has become a multi billion dollar industry.
@@HarryPotter-yh3sm I never even mentioned tournaments, buddy. I play anybody. Why does Magnus sometimes play random patzers in the park? Because chess is just...fun. It doesn't matter the skill of your opponent, really.
Do be honest, we should just signal hammer in all the tournaments. Players need is to complete in a quiet place not only in the physical sense but also signal sense
You don't have to use audio device you can use a contact/touch or Electro stimulation device with very low power long wave radio wave that stay in sleep mode most of the time. Most people in chess world have no idea what technology can do in 2022
I'm beginning to think that when I play chess online, I'm not going up against someone using their creative brain, I'm mainly going up against some nerd using a chess engine or who has memorized a lot of opening tricks. I think from now on I'll just play people over the board in open forums where they can't have a camera.
5:25 . So what's constitutes the difference? Strong vs very strong vs very very strong? Is there also super strong? Does that make Fabiano very very very strong and then Magnus super dangerously strong?
At 7:17 they zoom in on the earpiece in his ear, Hikaru pauses the video and says he has seen the video before, and talks about his concerns with cheating. Then, while looking at the earpiece, he asks if "it's in his fingers". It's becoming difficult to believe in his sincerity.
His sincerity? Dude, he just didn't see the earpiece, dude is watching a video, reacting to it, explaining chess positions, recreating a game from memory, reading chat and constantly checking OBS.
You keep pointing out that it was seven years ago; I imagine to point out that the tech for cheating has progressed a lot. So has the tech for detecting cheating. For about $50-$150 you can get devices that will detect wireless transmisssions.
It's kind of an unwinnable situation for event organizers. If you put stringent measures in place to avoid cheaters, it will cause a lot of legit players to not want to go - simply due to inconvenience - and it will cost an arm and a leg to do so. If you don't, I mean, this video showed how simple it would be to cheat in an open tournament, and nowadays you could do so even easier than back then. If it isn't worth it monetarily for events to put anti-cheating measures in place, then they won't do it; and who can blame them? How are they supposed to keep running tournaments if they cost more to make than they get from hosting them?
A con man sticks it to you when you think you've got them beat. Feeling overly cozy in a situation is when you should be most on edge. If anything, its worth further looking into potential to cheat before it happens. The art of defense is by knowing what the offense will do.
Tinytx sells microphone jamming equipment. Which can impede use of such devices. I use several for meetings and such and it can prevent the use of this “tactic”
Chess Cheating Championships - A contest where you are judged by how well your cheating technique is able to fool a panel of judges. It would be a way of shining light on some of the tech and strategies people could be using to cheat in legitimate chess.
Cheating will end your career and destroys the integrity of the game. It's not worth it. You won't be able to look at yourself in the mirror. Avoid doing things in life that will cause that level of sacrificing everything that makes you who you are.
It's not Hans's play specifically that makes me think he cheated, it's the fact that pros like Magnus, Hikaru, Ding, Fabi, etc ... they can all recite insane lines from memory. You ask them to evaluate a game and they will break it down like a computer in front of you. But in an interview Hans couldn't explain anything. He was fumbling through everything, misexplaining moves, contradicting himself and his prep.
He's playing like he's at the top level but can't explain anything like all the top players can? That's sus.
I get what you’re saying but it’s also possible he’s just an awkward teenager that isn’t good at public speaking. He’s not even 20 years old and being put on blast lol. You ever had your mind just go blank while under pressure?
@@CadeDubs ok he's also an admitted cheater and in evaluation he's playing better than any human has before. Better than Bobby at his peak, better than peak Magnus, better than peak Kasparov. So he's either still cheating like he admits he did in the past ... or he's the greatest chess player in human history.
not to mention all the other juniors, and hans doesnt look socially awkward at all in interviews, as the body language people say, he comes across as a liar. not even a very good one. all those emotional distractions and exaggerations; so few concrete details. lance armstrong was a better liar.
@@CadeDubs But it's important to note that even IMs can play blindfolded. The people saying Hans is cheating don't mean he's a shit player. They mean he's like a 2600 using occasional engine help at key moments in certain tournaments to play as a 2700+.
@@CadeDubs Being able to recite a game (multiple games) is easy. GMs can recite games from years ago even. The ability to memorize some games does not say much at all. I dont think anyone is denying that Hans is a GM level player. But being able to provide near-engine accurate analysis of multiple lines of the game at various positions is the hard part, and this is where Super-GMs can stand out from the rest. I'm not claiming Neimann is a cheater. It's entirely possible he was nervous and tired, thus being unable to provide the accurate analysis one would expect. That's okay. It's also okay to be suspicious, because every other super-GM can provide the analysis lines. Hans couldn't. Again, this does not prove that he cheated.
This video felt like a class in high school when the teacher put an educational video and then at the end the teacher asks what we learned 😂
Made me laugh 😂
Conclusion: Hans could be cheatin that way
We learned that this video has nothing to do with hans. It was seven years ago. Its a lot easier now, a real serious issue. Nothing to do with hans.
Hans took school seriously
You mean when the teacher turns a funny video into a lesson?
I love how Hikaru can just recreate the game. This is staggering to mere mortals!
In fairness, whilst super surprising to a lot of people, he knows and can recognise the opening pretty easily. Therefore the first bunch of moves have a name to someone like Hikaru. After that, I would imagine that 10-20 moves are trivial to him in terms of remembering them. Amazing yes, still something he’s been working on for a bunch of years of his life.
insane I was thinking the same.
Make chess your job, you'll be recreating games in no time too :)
Blew my fucking mind!
I mean, yeah. I couldn't do it, that's for sure. But I can see how it's possible. When I watch Hikaru play on stream or youtube, however, he does things which seem way more impossible - at least for me. How can he calculate so many moves in advance over several boards while blindfolded for example. Just boggles my mind. Another thing is, he plays very good players - arround 2000 elo (which is way beyond my punching weight), and just beats them like nothing. When I would play them, they would seem impossible obstacle. But when Hikaru plays them, they just blunder pieces left and right. It's not chess - it's some sort of black magic. Not even mentioning there are players like Carlsen who are even beyond that. These GM's are insane.
Dubov is a great actor because he’s memorized all the top lines.
Underappreciated comment.
This is the best comment I've read in a month or so.
I see what you did there.
As the great bill hicks put it: - "don't get on your - we hate puns - high horse with me."
shout out to the one chatter who pretended to know Russian when the sentence hadn't even finished
Might’ve seen the original video beforehand?
Shut up scammer
yes dude and hikaru obviously falls for it
I have been told by my lawyers that this is unrelated to Niemann
I agree 100%. There are at least two people suspected of cheating at each tournament I attend lately. Yet because it is someone providing a tip having witnessed phone usage in the bathroom or game discussion in the hallway, little to nothing is actually done. Secondly, I frankly have noticed that most chess tournament TDs (even at huge events like the Las Vegas Open) have no backbone whatsoever. They made an announcement claiming if you are caught with your phone, you will first get a harsh warning... How is that announcement itself not the first warning, meaning if you are caught with a phone you are subsequently disqualified!??
Seems like Chess has a problem with admitting there's a problem. Like baseball and steroids. Chess orgs seem to think the game is too good to have cheaters. It's arrogance. Every game has cheating fucks. Chess is no different.
Hi Andrew! Seth from China 21 here. Didn’t realize you are an active part of the chess community but cool to see. Small world. I’m sorry to hear about your negative tournament experiences. Hope you’ve been well otherwise. A lot has changed in the past five years!
I just played a large Open tournament where phones were 'strictly' prohibited, but the organizers were telling you if you wanted to look up standings, pairings, etc. you should look at this certain website - so most people were clearly on their phones right before a round looking at the website, so they obviously had their phones on them. No-one acknowledged that this was a HUGE contradiction in policy/rules.
I recently went to a chess tournament and went out for a smoke mid match (it had been like 2 hours I needed a break) and watched memes on my phone while smoking. I realized when I got home when I could totally have used my phone to analyse the position as I could pretty much remember the position from memory. I wasn’t even hiding, I was right in the front door.
I was showing my chess coach my game. And then this notification showed up, „How to cheat in chess?“ 😭😭
bruhh 💀💀💀
Sus😳
😂
I hope the session was productive after that...😂
@@grahampawar no
I forget that in chess at a grandmasters level it takes a few computer moves to get an advantage . So basically you don't even have to cheat for the whole game just the key moment... And if you are a grandmaster you can get yourself to end game with that advantage...
Yeah. Cheating is especially more difficult catch redhandedly when the people cheating are already decently high level players unless you're blatantly doing it to do it but that's rare. People used to cheating get better and better at cheating after they get caught. But because their adversaries are also high level, those people can tell when a game doesn't look "proper".
Even in other sports and games, it's usually the already high level players that are cheating more frequently. Add monetary incentive to that.
2 or 3 moves in crucial positions is probably enough for a GM to beat another
And think about Hikaru now. The more professional you are, the easier it is for you to cheat. He can use engine on streams to make it more entertaining. I've seen him get 99,5 score and it's looking weird.
those players don't even need the exact move. just a signal when to look for it
@@d_plays I was literally about to say this. When your're GM good, you don't need to know what exact moves you need to make, just that there is a play to be made.
@7:17 You can see the device in his right ear drum. It looks like an regular in the canal hearing aid
7 years ago. Now you can print Ear Wigs with flesh tone to easily disguise on the visible part of ear canals especially if you have longer hair. Also difficult to be detected by metal detector, the 3D printed pewpews actually scary because of it.
3D Printed firearms still have metal parts in them. They would still get picked up by metal detectors.
@@TheFenrirulfr only if you need the firearm to work for more than one shot..
@@TheFenrirulfr Feb. 2022 The US Inspector General of The DOJ released a statement regarding certain 3D printed guns and their capability to be undetected by metaldetectors.
But I guess you don't keep up.
@@TheFenrirulfr There's a law that states because of it's undetectability that 3D Printed Pewpew need to have "some metal parts" like the firing pin in order to be legal.
If someone plans to make one for nefarious means they won't follow that law.
@@TheFenrirulfr then simple google search shows you that conventional metal detectors used for building, and personally even at court, do not get tipped off by Airpods.
It's easy to sneak in a home made fleshtoned ear wig to these chess events.
“How do I know this? Cause I was looking at the board and they showed the whole game.”
But we were also looking at the board and we got none of that…
LOL at the subtitles: 0:33 "This is live soft ketchup"
If your opponent throws out a non natural move that leads to mate in 23, when there's a very obvious move that's +27... yeah....
Damn, the video aged like a fine wine
It's 2hours old
@@ashish4451 bro you serious?
@@ashish4451 💀
@@ashish4451 hah
@Creatotron It's showing you wrote your comment 1 day after Ashish, so I assume you don't know how much time either.
Anyway I'm guessing there's an inside joke I completely missed
Hikaru keeps saying the video is a joke, but if I remember well when Vlad Tkatchiev talked about this video on blitzstream's channel the intent was to show how easy it was to cheat at the game in order to raise awareness and "pressure" organizers to put in more serious anti-cheat measures. The intent was not to make a joke video.
These two things are not opposite. The video could be a joke AND be intended to raise awareness
The intent is to show how "laughably" easy it is to cheat. Win-Win.
Why did you go from imhappy._. to Just some guy who is not depressed?
@@imhappy._.
Host: "Hans what did you have for breakfast this morning?"
Hans: (Discretely moving right arm and twirling fingers rapidly) "Well that would have really depended on the brand of mattress of which I had been at rest on the previous night" (Now waving both arms and frantically wiggling his fingers above his head) 🤣
This was 7 years ago, and another point is that they probably didnt spend the money it would cost, or even had the connections, to get top of the line stuff. Imagine now, with the funds, knowledge and the desire to cheat, I personally think it would be pretty simple to get by some metal detectors..
Vlad is a friend of blitzstream, he said he rented the material back then for the equivalent of 50€ for the day. So yeah, this is pretty much the cheapest stuff you could get and the results are already pretty alarming.
It's pretty basic physics to shield electronic gear.
Looking beyond Chess, a pair of smart glasses and an earpiece could get you top marks on all important exams like the SAT, the Bar exam for attorneys , etc. There needs to be countermeasures.
Important and sat together....... (literally one of the easiest exams, more like a scam for money) so i don't know if you are joking or not
Were you unaware that high SATs earn scholarships and entries into prestigious colleges? They do.
@@ryanhanson3365 not singlehandedly + the key point was that it's extremely easy, likely to the point that cheating would take more time than it's worth
it's also possible that they were referring to inherent importance, which the SAT is almost entirely devoid of despite the more significant judgements based on it
@@falsepanda2981 many, many people do poorly on the SATs and would benefit a lot from cheating.
My very smart friend was kind of an underachiever in HS but killed the SATs, earned a scholarship, and was able to go to just about any college he wanted.
In fact, Hikaru nails it with this video, even though 7 years old.
AN tiny earpiece would NOT be detectable by a standard wand sweep.
Spy quality earpieces would be 99% plastic undetectable to a metal detector.
The only metal "part" would be the antenna, which would be a short wire less than the thickness of a human hair.
The standard metal detector wand sweep would not have the required sensitivity to pick this up, the less than razor thin wire.
This could also be super glued invisibly to a scalp on a person with thick hair.
High stakes tnmnt Chess is doomed. 😫
Why do people in videos about chess keep contracting random words in their voluminous comments?
0:29 Subtitles on : "we just set some context here uh because we're watching this video, this is I believe this is LIVE SOFT KETCHUP I don't know I mean I pronounce the Russian names terribly..."
The best way to prevent cheating in chess would be if they put thick layer of tin foil around the room. This blocks all kinds of signals going in and out.
For anyone who doesn't know. Hikaru's watermark is his name in Japanese. 光 . It's on top of a little base to make it look like a chess piece.
The game was sped up and hikaru somehow knew all the moves and put it into the analysis. If only.
"He's very good, I bet him as black before I was even a GM, but yes he's very good"
11:44 Yes, he is actually going to say "to gloat" few seconds later. You paused too early .
Yes, it is very close to gloat. He said «поглумись».
"The music's still too loud?" "Okay, I'll turn it down some more." "Music's still too loud?"
No help. It wasn't music. It was just noise.
in the ear is obvious now, but in the buth is secret
"I've got balls of steel."
So their methods haven't changed after all...
Metal detectors probably aren't going to catch a cochlear implant.
Delaying the broadcast sounds like the only reliable method.
Just look at ceiling with stockfish computer like hikaru /s
Hikaru thinks 7 years ago, thechnology was still prehistoric.
It was
“How do I know all that?”
“Cuz I’m looking at the board, they just showed the whole game. Around 5:00
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
we should just have games be taken place at USA airport customs 😂
Truth! Absolutely no shenanigans would escape the TSA and their wily eyes!
They wouldn’t even be able to cheat using the tried and true method of 4 ounces of liquid!
It would be incredibly easy to catch cheaters with earpieces. You can pick up the radio frequencies with a device and listen in.
Magnus on his deathbed reveals he had an earpiece the whole time and Hikaru has been feeding him moves.
"Dis guy killed about a hundred Chechyns. He was an interior decorator!"
"Really? His apartment looked like crap."
Either Magnus is protesting against Hans because of the known cheating online, or Hans cheated otb.
I feel like a player like Magnus can tell the difference between when he's playing a human and playing a bot. He could probably even guess with fair accuracy which engine he's playing.
@@NOLASkaGuitarist and which version of each engine
@@NOLASkaGuitarist he cant guess which engine he is playing, engines play mostly the same, with the execption for AI engines that play like humans, engines have very computer moves to them, they make moves that dont make sense, they work towards getting the most out of a position, if one inaccuracy on magnus, the engine will immeidatly be in the position to win, if you play against engines enough, you will understand that they move like engines, humans make more logical moves, like sacrifice often, make moves that can shift the whole narrative of the game, while engines just play very quietly, very small moves that give them the advantage to their posistion, if the human makes one error, ive noticed that they will play extremely humanlike afterwards, but sometimes humans can play like engines, however, there has been statistical analysis of Hans games over the past years and present, and it shows that he did indeed likely used engines to beat opponents in tourmenamnts. but u cant tell which engine a person is using or which version they are using just by playing them, you can get a feeling your opponent is cheating, but not which engine lol
The question is.. how?
Thanks for the tutorial! Very helpful😊
Hikaru's been fire as React Andy since the drama began
Great demonstration, kudos for Daniil to show off how cheating could be that easy!
This is a real problem in chess tournaments, wether online where it's so easier and physical ones.
Implanted ear piece for thermal detection evasion; Sub-dermal vibrating implant for move relay via morse code; Sub-lingual vibrating implant; Anal beads; Hemi-Sync astral projecting Dlugyfish; The list goes on.
I wonder how many tournaments have organized cheating with help from the director, inviting people to come pay fees, and then keeping the prize money for themselves. Sandbagging is another issue.
Why do you think magnus is so much better than everyone and he wins all the tourneys? It's similar to every other pro sport where all the top guys take steroids.
Weightlifting had this thing happen in the olympics. Athletes had predestined placings based on payoffs to the committee. If the athletes didn't do as they were told and miss attempts they were immediately tested and popped for PED's. It was insane news. Till this day, they are facing issues with the olympic committee on reorganizing and the extreme amounts of PED positive tests to the point of being removed as a sport entirely. I'm sure crazy corruption like this happens in all sports.
@@okaydetar821 That's an odd comparison. PED's enhance physical capabilities. I'm sure to some extent, chess players take beta blockers or uppers, but mind games like chess aren't as easily manipulatable with just drug enhancements. Of course, you can make the argument for being the number 1 in anything comes with speculation of somehow cheating, since its very likely that the top ends of most sports are riddled with cheaters. It's the argument that either puts that person in the .0001% of human genetics or the lance armstrong of they've just been getting away with cheating the entire time too.
@@Rizzerio1 My claim was that most top chess players cheat, I wasn't actually saying they were using steroids, they mostly bribe the opponent to lose with pre-planned games that they set up in advance, or they use an earpiece etc.. there are a lot of ways to cheat.
@@okaydetar821 I sort of acknowledged that in the later part of my reply.
If I were to help a GM win a game I would just use an infrared laser to signal him that his opponent made a mistake. That should be enough. Imagine feeling the eval bar on your hand.
Hans watching this video: "Pfft! amateurs..."
On a side note, modern Bluetooth headphones do not trigger metal detectors, not sure how inconspicuous they can get, however bone induction is a thing too, wouldn't be hard to surgically install one of those.
Real question is why the other guy was hiding under the table 🤣.
Why use anal beads when you can get the indications from getting head?
Because it isn't the table, but a windowsill in the entryway. And usually there isn't any chair.
1:48 did you notice they didn't turn the board around? black should not be on the 1 row, right?
Would it surprise your to learn that you can make electronics without metal? It's not recommended but certainly possible and would avoid any metal scanners. Keeping that in mind you don't need a very efficient communication device, maybe for a few moves in critical moments would suffice. A decent try would be to have frequency jammers to block Bluetooth and WiFi signals in the playing hall, if you can accomplish that, and assuming there are no insider deals (like a security detail adding the cheater) then it's only physical devices (like a phone chess computer) on the players you have to account for which is easier to manage than electronic signals like voice or morsecode communication.
How to cheat in chess:
Checkmate before climax
Cheating in chess has become an epidemic. I play a lot of chess. It's basically like everybody online is cheating. I'm a 2267 rated player. It's very odd when you are at that level and lose 3 games in a row to somebody rated 1200. Especially when the time is 10 minutes with a 5 second interval
No, online cheating as a whole has been a worsening issue. Society is moving towards a online lifestyle since the inception of the internet, exacerbated by covid. These days, you can make a living by just having a online presence. There is just too much monetary incentive for it not to become a focus these days. Cheating/hacking/scrubbing/etc has become a multi billion dollar industry.
why are you playing people rated 1200? in tournaments?
@@HarryPotter-yh3sm I never even mentioned tournaments, buddy. I play anybody. Why does Magnus sometimes play random patzers in the park? Because chess is just...fun. It doesn't matter the skill of your opponent, really.
Metal detectors don't help that much. What you need is electronics detection.
bone conduction earbuds that's connected to the skull, hidden in hair puffy shaggy hair, instead of the ear where everyone looks at.
Do be honest, we should just signal hammer in all the tournaments.
Players need is to complete in a quiet place not only in the physical sense but also signal sense
I like the automatic subtitle generator: "Vladi soft Ketchup". Brillant 🤣
You don't have to use audio device you can use a contact/touch or Electro stimulation device with very low power long wave radio wave that stay in sleep mode most of the time.
Most people in chess world have no idea what technology can do in 2022
But we don't have earpieces now. We have beads 🤔😂
Never thought it was possible to cheat near table until Carlsen case
Lmfao but there are GM who have been banned for cheating OTB.
"technology has improved *infinitely*" ok lol
I'm beginning to think that when I play chess online, I'm not going up against someone using their creative brain, I'm mainly going up against some nerd using a chess engine or who has memorized a lot of opening tricks. I think from now on I'll just play people over the board in open forums where they can't have a camera.
5:25 . So what's constitutes the difference? Strong vs very strong vs very very strong? Is there also super strong? Does that make Fabiano very very very strong and then Magnus super dangerously strong?
I'm glad he pulled it out of his ear.
Next tournaments, just put a finger inside every players' ears
The way the things are going, they will start to put at player'ass
The music wasn't too loud as in decibel, it's loud as in noisy and high frequency, sharp spiked sawtooth shape waves.
I enjoy the videos where Hikaru breaks things down for beginners
For those struggling to understand, in this video, "Technology"=Butt Plugs.
Dubov is the kid that keeps playing with his hair
"How to cheat in chess" I got a mental image of Randy Marsh in that ep where he jumps on top of Paris hilton.
hikaru just destroying the computer from 7 years ago
The beads are the ultimate way to cheat
Best way are "Jammers" to avoid radio signal frequenzes by handy or others in the players zone.
At 7:17 they zoom in on the earpiece in his ear, Hikaru pauses the video and says he has seen the video before, and talks about his concerns with cheating. Then, while looking at the earpiece, he asks if "it's in his fingers". It's becoming difficult to believe in his sincerity.
His sincerity?
Dude, he just didn't see the earpiece, dude is watching a video, reacting to it, explaining chess positions, recreating a game from memory, reading chat and constantly checking OBS.
He's definitely in on it
@@MaxIronsThird yeah, Hikaru's dodgy as hell
You keep pointing out that it was seven years ago; I imagine to point out that the tech for cheating has progressed a lot. So has the tech for detecting cheating. For about $50-$150 you can get devices that will detect wireless transmisssions.
No you probably need an audiological ear doctor to examine everyone’s ears at the tournament. And unfortunately, I’m not even joking
Or some sort of x-ray device
It's kind of an unwinnable situation for event organizers. If you put stringent measures in place to avoid cheaters, it will cause a lot of legit players to not want to go - simply due to inconvenience - and it will cost an arm and a leg to do so. If you don't, I mean, this video showed how simple it would be to cheat in an open tournament, and nowadays you could do so even easier than back then.
If it isn't worth it monetarily for events to put anti-cheating measures in place, then they won't do it; and who can blame them? How are they supposed to keep running tournaments if they cost more to make than they get from hosting them?
Thank you Hikaru I’ve been waiting to learn this
My man's name in the subtitles @ 0:35 is Live Soft Ketchup
If I wanted to cheat I would use morse code over ambient backscatter in my shoe. No way a metal detector or even an RF detector will find that.
Vlad is from the Bakistan
Right out of James Bond, opening scene of Goldfinger. LOL
they do a metal detector test in the pro matches…there’s no way it can be that easy
A con man sticks it to you when you think you've got them beat. Feeling overly cozy in a situation is when you should be most on edge. If anything, its worth further looking into potential to cheat before it happens. The art of defense is by knowing what the offense will do.
Dubov didn't know about the whole thing. He was genuinly upset until Vlad told him later.
Magnetic ear pieces are smaller than grain of rice and deep in ear.
"this is soft ketchup" - Hikaru, as translated by the auto subs
Scorsese-like long final shot down the stairs. Nice .
yeah I get your point and it's good that you covered it because people need to know and take it more seriously like you said.
Tinytx sells microphone jamming equipment. Which can impede use of such devices. I use several for meetings and such and it can prevent the use of this “tactic”
what you need is a plastic piece that taps on your leg, and to learn some morse-type notation for chess algebraic notation.
Vlad Tkachiev appeared on a good number of video of blitzstream to analyze games for example.
Magnus Carlsen makes an acquisition...
Hikaru: I will become your lawyer 😂
Chess Cheating Championships - A contest where you are judged by how well your cheating technique is able to fool a panel of judges. It would be a way of shining light on some of the tech and strategies people could be using to cheat in legitimate chess.
what is your favourite cocktail- Vodka with lime or gin with ginger or Irish whiskey with matte?
Small bone conduction pads behind the ear could work if you had ridiculous hair. Or bone conduction on the teeth.
My kid said "it doesn’t matter". I thought that was so "cringe".
Wait, just for the record: how many years passed since the making of the video?
Cheating will end your career and destroys the integrity of the game. It's not worth it. You won't be able to look at yourself in the mirror. Avoid doing things in life that will cause that level of sacrificing everything that makes you who you are.
You can use radio,wich successfully breaks this method of cheating.That types of earphones were used to pass exams by students in Russia.
This channel has become exclusively about chess cheating
And the right way to gloat is to say “chess speaks for itself”
“I’m just obviously winning here. I mean just look at the board!”
why is the guy hiding under the table when he is already in a hidden location