Not to mention China is way past this ancient Russian stuff. Just look at the Chinese 6th Gen. I tend to believe China’s view that Russians didn’t keep promised updates so China had to go alone.
@felixsu375the agenda here is to make it like China sounds untrustworthy. It won't work if you use common sense to see it just a trade made by both desperate party, Russia need funds for survival, and China need tech for the same reason. But of course, plenty of idiots will fell for this hate agendas against China.
Not really...The Chinese wanted to buy the license for the SU 27 and the Russian said NO, then they wanted to buy a couple of SU 27 from Russia and the Russians said NO again. And here comes into play the newly independent Ukraine that says...hey...we'll sell you a couple of SU 27s for you to revers engineer and since we are at it would you like to buy a half built Russian carrier ?
@andreim841 Well the Russians did steal or 'Centralize' the wealth from its Soviet 'fellow nations'/'vassal states', which during the fall of the Iron Curtain & Sovietism, Ukraine was left as per typical Russian efforts, extremely poor, indebted & unusually, a centre of advanced.. technical design, manufacturing, industrial skills, ..because Ukraine had always been amongst the smartest polity andtge most capable of the Soviet Republics, partly to prove their worth to the St.Putinsberger/Muscovite Russians (to lessen the chance of being starved, Gulaged or shot )
@razor1uk610What nonsense. Russia industrialized rural, agrarian Ukraine, building factories and transferring design bureaus, from locomotive plants and shipyards of the Russian Empire to the aerospace industry (the Antonov bureau was transferred from Novosibirsk, and the OKB-586 was also created by them), the automobile industry, and so on. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, all the accumulated wealth remained in the republics. The Ukrainians were very happy about that, calling themselves a "second France" in wealth and income. Unfortunately, it didn't work out: they were never able to build ships, and Soviet-era locomotives are still in use there. Even airplanes and missiles were built only with Russian assistance and as long as Russia needed them. They never built anything of their own without Russian help. The rural mentality was only enough to sell off the Soviet legacy. Do you know why Russia is the successor state to the USSR and the Russian Empire? Partly because Russia preserved all international treaties and paid off all the debts of the Soviet Union, while all the other republics rejected this “inheritance.”
Initially, the Russia only want to sell the MiG-29. However, after comparing the performance with Su-27. They realized that Su-27 is more superior. The Su-27 is like a fixed wing F-14. China J-11B is complete redesigns with Western radar and avionics. To prevent reverse engineering of the Su-35 engine, the Russian welded some of the parts instead of using screws. This make it impossible to disassemble the engine without destroying it.
The Su-27 was more of an analog of the F15 (or F18). The F14's counterpart was the Mig-23 (also with a variable wing and released even slightly earlier than the F14).
Don't flatter yourself, F-14 is nowhere close to Su-27, Su-27 was better than both F-16 and F-15, that's the reason why F-22 was needed immediately after US realize the Soviet was making Su-27.
@SteveW-lb2hclook at it very closely. The panels look like they were put together with a balping hammer. I seen one at an air show in Singapore in the mid 1990’s. It is a good looking plane that I agree.
@SteveW-lb2hcthe Phantom is badass looking. If I had a choice of any fighter plane to fly it would be the lead sled. Proof that even a brick could fly with powerful enough engines.
Do you know USA. Stolen 3 class of MIG. fighter plane. At different times. MiG 17. Was flying to a 3rd country to claim rewards by ussr pilot. It’s was MiG 21
It is very difficult for us outsiders to adjudicate on this issue because details of the contract between China and Russia have never been made public.
Who care about that contract, currently China's 5th and 6th gen fighter program is both a head of Russia, and the 6th gen fighter program alone is ahead of both the US and Russia.
The swedes invented the kobra in the Draken. Funnily enough they kept it classified thinking of the dogfight usability of it until the Russians showed the su27 at the Paris air show.
@eman7282 really? you knew nothing about the trade. how about Boeing? airbus? Chip? Benz? BMW? Jet engine? EUV/DUV machine? did they sell tech to China?
@eman7282 Oligarchs? Why mention Oligarchs? The standard technique of China is to reverse engineer or steal. Copyright doesn't exist in Chinese a vocabulary - as shown in the hack where they stole blueprints for (guessing) half a F-35.
@BeginnersAcademy Are you writing English? I can't understand most of your jibberish. Pro-tip: If you're going to insult someone's medical condition, snark, and snipe- make sure all your ducks are in a row. Otherwise, you appear a simpering fool.
The story might have missed a few details. When the Su27 contract reached half way, Su27 was already way inferior compared to other modern fighters. The Chinese did not want another 100 Su27s with old designs. China asked Russians for technology upgrades, including engine, radar, avionics, controls, etc. But Russians refused to modify anything. Both sides had their valid reasons, I think. After years of struggling, J11 eventually became a better aircraft than the original Su27SK. But still, it was a contract violation even though China had a good reason. I think China should compensate Russia for their losses (later China kept purchasing many AL31 engines from Russia, could it be part of the deal?)
Both side have different view of the contract they signed. The China believe the contract signed include transfer of SU-27 produced right that they can modify and produced as many as they want. The Chinese never hide this intention from start. If Russia didnt agree. Why Russia never halt this contract from start for the Chinese local production of SU-27.
@zenden9 did you not watch the video ? after 95 planes were delivered the chinese essnautally went rogue and did as they were please no longer honoring anything. The russians still wanted to sell 100 planes more as per contract but the chinese dogs that always bite the russian hand did a 180 degree and stopped buying
I am only 5 minutes in but his microphone dropping out after every sentence is tickeling the right side of my brain its about to make this one unwatchable not like there arent a billion other videos to watch lol
a side by side comparaison with the Mig-29 is quite interesting. You can see how the philosophies merged (over all design), and where they went different ways (size and weight)
Only Two crash of J11 and that were not caused by airplane but by engine. December 7, 2017: A J-11B from the 111th Aviation Brigade (Western Theater Command) crashed during a high-intensity training exercise. Early 2007-2009 Groundings: During the initial rollout of the J-11B (the variant with Chinese WS-10 engines), an entire regiment's worth of aircraft was reportedly grounded for an extended period.
Great video man, super interesting. It's so fascinating how China and Russia's geopolitics bounce back and forth. They seem to be each other's necessary evil. lol
@naacrinternational6970Anybody with a brain to process up to date information would know the best flanker model is now produced in China. He should also know China is now the only country that has working 6 gen fighter models flying. The next up is the USA with brilliant PPT illustrations😂
sometimes they did. But the royalities were not always cash money. It could be political influence, strengthening allied nations, getting things Russia/ Soviets needed etc.
Since 1998 the export Su-27SK has been produced as the Shenyang J-11 in China under licence. The first licensed-production plane, assembled in Shenyang from Russian supplied kits, was flight tested on 16 December 1998. These licence-built versions, which numbered 100, were designated J-11A. The next model, the J-11B made extensive use of Chinese developed systems within the Su-27SK airframe.
@user-rv6bs7jb4b One is the product of accountants doing the job of engineers - Boeing - and the other of politicians not letting anyone do their jobs properly - communism.
@jdsheleg8332 Communism in China sure sounds a hell of a lot more peaceful than the "Democracy" in the US at the moment.... ICE and 2 dead and counting. Yup democracy is working.
Well, China was DESTINED to become a competitor in terms of military aircraft. It was a long time coming, just the Flanker was what pissed off the Russians. The moment West started using China as their manufacturing hub, it was only a matter of time that Chinese were going to REALLY industrialize.
Right now, China is more worry that US will steal their military technology. 😂😂 The game is on, and Americans have to work harder since J-36 and J-50 were already in the air.
@JohnHawco-x3z5l And yet, they are mass producing the WS-15 for the new J-20A they are pumping out. You people need to stop living in the early 2000s and wake up. They have almost caught up, if not already reached parity. They are obviously leading in some areas like missiles and radars. Give it another 10 years and they will have surpassed you completely at this rate.
Are the Chinese attempting to win the “arms race”? Is this yet another failure of reverse-engineering? (Unable to successfully clone engineers, they could clone only the arms.)
In an actual military conflict, it is not so much about quality or superiority in hardware or software or even state of the art technologies but rather tactical or techniques in determining the outcome.
He didn't explain anything. He repeated false Western narratives. My uncle was a student in Moscow when the Chinese and Russians stared patching up their relationship since 70s.
Well, China sees themselves as "The Middle Kingdom",, and thus superior to all other human races-especially ones with lighter skin than them! 😂 Apparently that's why they think they have the right to steal from the rest of us....
Yeah...and the Anglos never stole anything. Like gold from India, the knowledge of tea production from China, oil from Iraq and central bank assets from Afghanistan for just a few examples? Look in the mirror before you cast that mocking stone.
Weird that the Draken did it… it’s not the right shape for it, really- all the wing is at the rear. You’d expect it to have been the Viggen (the canards would allow it to lift the nose and control the balance better). -perhaps the Draken’s cobra was a bit uglier looking than the ones we are used to?
Avionics is always Russia's weakness at times, while US semiconductors and microcomputers developed FAST. Russia's early avionics (mostly analog) only have two TWS (track while scan) selections. and those two selections cannot display at the same time on the HUD/MFD. Only one target at a time. Despite it being able to engage 2, it is actually useless most of the time. Practically, it can only engage one target effectively. At times they still heavily rely on R-27 passive radar homing, which means the aircraft must maintain the lock the entire time anyway. China only started to develop better microcomputers after joining the WTO, and greedy Western conglomerates let China copy and steal their tech. Afterwards, China's J(UNK) family starts to have better electronics and probabaly slighly better radar and missles but sucks at everything else.
@playtime6909 Depends on many variables, but, being a "SURPRISE, Buddy!" Move, the ' Snapshot' of Cannon opportunity is pretty small. Post-snap-stall, the Cobra driver is BEHIND YOU, has the Initiative, and, likely, Missiles at-the-ready, aimed at your tailpipe. The BIG (HUGE, EVEN!) Disadvantage, is the Loss of Flight Energy for the Cobra pilot; He's a 'sitting Duck' for anyone who wants a shot at him...
On the way to industrialization, nations take this short cut to catch up, especially with importance of defense industry, generational gap means live or death. China wasted almost twenty years in development.
@skyserfother countries do that to China too, if you read Chinese media, there were plenty reports of people sentenced to prison term for spying as agents of other actors, there were only ones caught. Realistically, if a government does not do that, they are derelict in their duties.
@s@shumingtan6885 _if you read Chinese media_ Considering that all chinese media is State controlled provide and outside source. Also, what intellectual property is purported to have been stolen?
You did an excellent job in summarizing and explaining this long and complex episode of the Su-27 and how it goes beyond ! I am impressed and usually, on subjects that I usually know, I am rarely ! Good job ! 🇩🇿
What did Russia expect China was going to do? The Chinese have become experts in industrial espionage , figuring why spend the time and money to develop something, when you can just steal it!
@xiaowen6876 The matter isn't so simple... as the video points out, it would have been much cheaper and faster for China to buy the Flankers from Russia. To understand China, one must consider issues like pride and sovereignty, but above all, the training of its own professionals in engineering that is the most advanced and sophisticated in the world. Imitating cars or motorcycles is one thing; cutting-edge military aircraft are not so easy to copy.
At 22:17 the guy on the right of the screen has his left hand at his side, his right hand holding a clip board, and his OTHER right hand holding a flashlight! 😂
I have learned about the unhappy marriage b/w Chinese and Russian aviation industry. But this program is much more objective and thorough than the others.
Russia got cash and political survival; China got the blueprints. Both sides knew exactly what the deal was
Not to mention China is way past this ancient Russian stuff. Just look at the Chinese 6th Gen. I tend to believe China’s view that Russians didn’t keep promised updates so China had to go alone.
The US business sector did the same thing, knowing the same thing, and having the same thing done to them.
You still have Chinese pilots flying it, so.......
It's funny how the narrator calls it espionage when the tech was purchased in broad daylight.
@felixsu375the agenda here is to make it like China sounds untrustworthy. It won't work if you use common sense to see it just a trade made by both desperate party, Russia need funds for survival, and China need tech for the same reason. But of course, plenty of idiots will fell for this hate agendas against China.
You didnt talk about 100s of laid off russian ac engineers who got jobs from Chinese companies. They helped china in copying many parts .
Not really...The Chinese wanted to buy the license for the SU 27 and the Russian said NO, then they wanted to buy a couple of SU 27 from Russia and the Russians said NO again. And here comes into play the newly independent Ukraine that says...hey...we'll sell you a couple of SU 27s for you to revers engineer and since we are at it would you like to buy a half built Russian carrier ?
@andreim841
Well the Russians did steal or 'Centralize' the wealth from its Soviet 'fellow nations'/'vassal states', which during the fall of the Iron Curtain & Sovietism, Ukraine was left as per typical Russian efforts, extremely poor, indebted & unusually, a centre of advanced.. technical design, manufacturing, industrial skills, ..because Ukraine had always been amongst the smartest polity andtge most capable of the Soviet Republics, partly to prove their worth to the St.Putinsberger/Muscovite Russians (to lessen the chance of being starved, Gulaged or shot )
More help were from Ukraine
@razor1uk610What nonsense. Russia industrialized rural, agrarian Ukraine, building factories and transferring design bureaus, from locomotive plants and shipyards of the Russian Empire to the aerospace industry (the Antonov bureau was transferred from Novosibirsk, and the OKB-586 was also created by them), the automobile industry, and so on.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, all the accumulated wealth remained in the republics. The Ukrainians were very happy about that, calling themselves a "second France" in wealth and income. Unfortunately, it didn't work out: they were never able to build ships, and Soviet-era locomotives are still in use there. Even airplanes and missiles were built only with Russian assistance and as long as Russia needed them. They never built anything of their own without Russian help. The rural mentality was only enough to sell off the Soviet legacy.
Do you know why Russia is the successor state to the USSR and the Russian Empire? Partly because Russia preserved all international treaties and paid off all the debts of the Soviet Union, while all the other republics rejected this “inheritance.”
@jma7889 They sold off the entire Soviet legacy for cheap and are proud of it. 😂
Russia: "Ithought you only did this to the US"
China: "You have to understand that..."
Russia: "I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!!"
This is hilarious. I had to screenshot this.
Companies in China do that each other. What makes you think they’d treat outsiders differently.
Scorpions gonna scorpion and china's gonna Chinese. Durrrrr
The Russians: LOOK AT WHAT YOU DID!! 😱😱😱
The Chinese: YES! LOOK AT WHAT WE DID!😁😁😁
China: "Your feelings for this tech are not real..."
Russia: *"THEY ARE REAL TO ME!!!!"*
“I don't care that they stole my idea… I care that they don't have any of their own” - attributed to Nicola Tesla :)
J36? J50?
@gtlover2011 Not proven in any combat. A Russian engineer said that the Chinese make their weapons like toys
@areshera4039By that logic, US is outclassed by "toys" lol
@a@areshera4039no 5th gen fighter has been tested in real combat
@areshera4039you conveniently forget May 7, 2025 air combat 😮
Initially, the Russia only want to sell the MiG-29. However, after comparing the performance with Su-27. They realized that Su-27 is more superior. The Su-27 is like a fixed wing F-14. China J-11B is complete redesigns with Western radar and avionics. To prevent reverse engineering of the Su-35 engine, the Russian welded some of the parts instead of using screws. This make it impossible to disassemble the engine without destroying it.
The Su-27 was more of an analog of the F15 (or F18). The F14's counterpart was the Mig-23 (also with a variable wing and released even slightly earlier than the F14).
Don't flatter yourself, F-14 is nowhere close to Su-27, Su-27 was better than both F-16 and F-15, that's the reason why F-22 was needed immediately after US realize the Soviet was making Su-27.
@bobsink624 isn't F-15 a result of them overestimate MIG-25
Western radar?😂
@ry0usama511 F-15 was a partial copy of Mig-25
Yeah. The terms of agreements are rarely self-enforcing unless major efforts are made to make them that way.
Like Reagan said, "trust, but verify!"'
I have to say, the SU-27 is one of the most beautiful aircraft these eyes have ever seen.
I agree beautiful looking machine, another of my favourites is the now largely redundant Phantom.
@SteveW-lb2hclook at it very closely. The panels look like they were put together with a balping hammer. I seen one at an air show in Singapore in the mid 1990’s. It is a good looking plane that I agree.
@SteveW-lb2hcthe Phantom is badass looking. If I had a choice of any fighter plane to fly it would be the lead sled. Proof that even a brick could fly with powerful enough engines.
@SteveW-lb2hcagreed, the phantom is a beautiful bird. Hard to believe it made its maiden voyage close to 70 years ago. Still looks the part imo
MIG 29 is not bad looking too
I’ve always loved the Su-27. The blue camo liveries are great.
The algorithm brought me here, glad it did
Outstanding presentation.
I'm on board with you
China stole tech??
I'm shocked! SHOCKED!
Did you watch the video?
get a life
😁😁😁😁😁😁
Wait, China didn't respect intellectual property and design licensing? Why, I'm shocked!
hahahahaha
@bennybs94 'translating' that to English adds another 'ha'. 😮
I fail to see why China has to depend Russia for parts and weapons
The nerve of those Chinese 🤣
Do you know USA. Stolen 3 class of MIG. fighter plane. At different times.
MiG 17. Was flying to a 3rd country to claim rewards by ussr pilot. It’s was MiG 21
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Great documentation. Thank you.
It is very difficult for us outsiders to adjudicate on this issue because details of the contract between China and Russia have never been made public.
Who care about that contract, currently China's 5th and 6th gen fighter program is both a head of Russia, and the 6th gen fighter program alone is ahead of both the US and Russia.
@twood2032
The fuck it is.
Yeah...ahead of Russia with engines and radars on j-20 cannibalized from Russian planes...
@eduardextreme4387nope. Engines and radar are locally designed and made.
@eduardextreme4387china gonna China
The swedes invented the kobra in the Draken. Funnily enough they kept it classified thinking of the dogfight usability of it until the Russians showed the su27 at the Paris air show.
Draken would fall apart in a dog fight
@SMRMilitaryAnalysis The Draken is very rugged. But it was not a good dogfighter. It was an interceptor.
@CarlSöderquist Yes that's what i mean.
The Swedes "claim" that they invented the cobra maneuver.
..riiiiight...the mig 29 already performed the Pugachev Cobra maneuver, much earlier..
“Gasp! Eula is sacred bro!” -no human ever
china didmt respect a written contract or patents? no way!
No need to copy.
Western oligarchs sold their soul when they gave the Chinese the blueprints to all meaningful tech… all in the name of profit
@eman7282 really? you knew nothing about the trade. how about Boeing? airbus? Chip? Benz? BMW? Jet engine? EUV/DUV machine? did they sell tech to China?
@eman7282 Oligarchs? Why mention Oligarchs? The standard technique of China is to reverse engineer or steal. Copyright doesn't exist in Chinese a vocabulary - as shown in the hack where they stole blueprints for (guessing) half a F-35.
It’s almost like they behave like America
@henrikcarlsen1881the US is the OG blueprint thief - they stole the steam engine design
Why does it keep zooming in and out?
Nice job. Very informative.
This video shows in great detail some of the nuances of both of these maneating regimes.
If Russian pilots refused to fly the plane it must have been bad, like really bad.
Or they were better and didn't want to fly it back to Russia because they were scared of being seen as traitors.
Alot of analysis has said Chinese Su-27s are far superior to Russian one's.
@subjectc7505 chinese analysis no doubt
@DipJyotiDeka The operational readiness rate of Russian aircraft has long hovered around 50%, whereas China’s usually exceeds 85%.
@DipJyotiDekaNope, western analysis has said Chinese Su-27s are far superior but that's the J-16
The Flanker is quite a plane!
I think fighter design peaked right there, the f22 and su57 come close, but anything based on the flanker is a freaking beauty queen😅.
@chiefdenis
So it would appear! Wow, nice.....
I agree
Aside from your great material I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates a real person voice narration
ik, your voice is not as insufferable as you think, rfk jr existing should hive you enough confidence
is this real? this channel comes out with a new 40 minute video everyday. something doesn't add up
@jo1948 it's not human. the pronunciation of "su" gives it away.
@BeginnersAcademy Are you writing English? I can't understand most of your jibberish. Pro-tip: If you're going to insult someone's medical condition, snark, and snipe- make sure all your ducks are in a row. Otherwise, you appear a simpering fool.
@Spidercat1-w3btalm bout some pro tip lame ahh 😂
Beautiful plane.
didnt they do the exact same thing with the soyuz rocket?
The story might have missed a few details. When the Su27 contract reached half way, Su27 was already way inferior compared to other modern fighters. The Chinese did not want another 100 Su27s with old designs. China asked Russians for technology upgrades, including engine, radar, avionics, controls, etc. But Russians refused to modify anything. Both sides had their valid reasons, I think. After years of struggling, J11 eventually became a better aircraft than the original Su27SK. But still, it was a contract violation even though China had a good reason. I think China should compensate Russia for their losses (later China kept purchasing many AL31 engines from Russia, could it be part of the deal?)
那24架苏35应该也是补偿的一部分，买苏35的时候j20j16已经马上步入量产了，没必要买苏35
Both side have different view of the contract they signed. The China believe the contract signed include transfer of SU-27 produced right that they can modify and produced as many as they want. The Chinese never hide this intention from start. If Russia didnt agree. Why Russia never halt this contract from start for the Chinese local production of SU-27.
@zenden9this reminds me of mating spiders.
Yup hard lesson for both of them anyway.
@zenden9 did you not watch the video ? after 95 planes were delivered the chinese essnautally went rogue and did as they were please no longer honoring anything. The russians still wanted to sell 100 planes more as per contract but the chinese dogs that always bite the russian hand did a 180 degree and stopped buying
This is what I would call high quality comprehensive overage of a subject
This is like selling a shotgun to your crazy neighbour who sits at his porch all day.
Now he’s a crazy neighbour with a shotgun 😂
Not a problem unless he has ammunition.
What a timely video. I was just talking about this incident with a friend. It was nice to go back and see a refresher on the whole thing.
This video is well made, except some assembly plant photos are taken from Vietnam, not China.
One picture has the Su-27 being about the size of a 747 compared to the ground vehicles around it.
I am only 5 minutes in but his microphone dropping out after every sentence is tickeling the right side of my brain its about to make this one unwatchable not like there arent a billion other videos to watch lol
4:50 what was that noise lol
a side by side comparaison with the Mig-29 is quite interesting. You can see how the philosophies merged (over all design), and where they went different ways (size and weight)
Good unbias documentary
Oh well,
Buy at least they didn't kidnap another country's president!
Lol!
😂
When the Russia took their SU-27 to the Chinese airshow it was there we saw that the aircraft are still of the same size from nose to tail.
5:38 That's an airmodel, not the actual aircraft.
Great Airframe
Very interesting documentary mate
it was the Swedish that invented the cobra maneuver
who gives af about that
Love the "Big Sky Country" photo at the beginning. :)
This is such a well-done mini doc, truly.
Very good video, excellent narration by human
Only Two crash of J11 and that were not caused by airplane but by engine. December 7, 2017: A J-11B from the 111th Aviation Brigade (Western Theater Command) crashed during a high-intensity training exercise.
Early 2007-2009 Groundings: During the initial rollout of the J-11B (the variant with Chinese WS-10 engines), an entire regiment's worth of aircraft was reportedly grounded for an extended period.
China's advanced planes never crash. That's just western propaganda. Go away CIA propagandist.
I SPENT TIME IN CHINA DURING THIS PERIOD....GREAT ANALYSIS. THANKS
So, China acted like ... China. Surprise! LOL
Wow didn’t think I would have enjoyed this video as much as I did.
Great video man, super interesting. It's so fascinating how China and Russia's geopolitics bounce back and forth. They seem to be each other's necessary evil. lol
More to come!
Nicely explained! Keep it up
In this video I would only change the sound a bit - there are many weird-sounding pauses between sentences.
Just where audio file sections are cut/pasted together, I think
@SebaztienHawke-ci5hm No, he has most likely used Adobe's Enhanced Speech app. It removes background noise but makes pauses sound robotic
looks like a twin engine falcon
Just want to clarify, China has not sold Any Su27 or its variants on the international market so far and no plan to do so in the future.
And nobody with a brain wants them, anyway.
@naacrinternational6970Anybody with a brain to process up to date information would know the best flanker model is now produced in China. He should also know China is now the only country that has working 6 gen fighter models flying. The next up is the USA with brilliant PPT illustrations😂
@naacrinternational6970 Nice try shimao bot... Pakistan Air Force want to buy J-16 and its the most advance variant of Flanker. China refuse to sell..
@naacrinternational6970 Why? You don't have one now, do you?
@zenden9 Nice try Bund-It-In. It was never offered to Pakistan. Try selling your Dosa-Tejas.
Very detail analysis...impossible to be this detailed.
PsyOps!
Ask Russia about the AK- and AKM-47. I don’t think they collected any royalties on that, either.
Russia, royalties? lol
The russian empire gained land from china. Can those not be considered payments of royalties?
sometimes they did. But the royalities were not always cash money. It could be political influence, strengthening allied nations, getting things Russia/ Soviets needed etc.
@micumatrix, No, Kalashnikov stated that they were not paid by many (most?) who used the rifle. Odd.
Just a minor correction, bro. There is no rifle called AKM 47, it's called AKM only.
Comprehensive, professional analysis.
I say you'll be unpatriotic if you don't steal the crucial defense technology, LOL
Yes it's ethical to pay for what you copy but not copying it would literally be putting the interests of a foreign nation ahead of your own security.
Beautiful plane, excellent review and analysis! ⭐✈
Since 1998 the export Su-27SK has been produced as the Shenyang J-11 in China under licence. The first licensed-production plane, assembled in Shenyang from Russian supplied kits, was flight tested on 16 December 1998. These licence-built versions, which numbered 100, were designated J-11A. The next model, the J-11B made extensive use of Chinese developed systems within the Su-27SK airframe.
Ah yes, the good ol upgrade sth I didn't initially have nor developed.
As a American I have to admit that the SU 27 and its later version are good looking aircraft.
Its also simply one of the best looking airframes out there.
China cut corners? I'm shocked...🙄
You mean just like Boeing?
@user-rv6bs7jb4b One is the product of accountants doing the job of engineers - Boeing - and the other of politicians not letting anyone do their jobs properly - communism.
@jdsheleg8332 Communism in China sure sounds a hell of a lot more peaceful than the "Democracy" in the US at the moment.... ICE and 2 dead and counting. Yup democracy is working.
@user-rv6bs7jb4b lol a lot more disappear in china, you just never get to hear about it because the Press is not nearly as free.
@shouryarathore7434 You mean as free as in the US? Hahahaha living the dream aren't you? Literally....
You're visible internationally Jesse 😅 Upload pls 🙏
What a beautiful aircraft. Would love to see one in person.
nice report! well done.
Yes it really was “heartbreaking” to see Russia’s aircraft industry in such disarray!
Your sarcasm is kilometres 'thicc' 😂😅
Great doc presented by Chatgpt
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣karma
Well, China was DESTINED to become a competitor in terms of military aircraft. It was a long time coming, just the Flanker was what pissed off the Russians. The moment West started using China as their manufacturing hub, it was only a matter of time that Chinese were going to REALLY industrialize.
Negative. Without China stealing, they would still be many decades behind. They weren't "destined" for jack sh*t. They stole it.
Should have turned them into paste 50 years ago
Right now, China is more worry that US will steal their military technology. 😂😂
The game is on, and Americans have to work harder since J-36 and J-50 were already in the air.
@merrick6484What are you smoking 🚬? China. Is at least 40 yrs behind in Fighter jets. Can't make powerful and reliable engine.
@JohnHawco-x3z5l And yet, they are mass producing the WS-15 for the new J-20A they are pumping out. You people need to stop living in the early 2000s and wake up. They have almost caught up, if not already reached parity. They are obviously leading in some areas like missiles and radars. Give it another 10 years and they will have surpassed you completely at this rate.
They trusted China at their word.....hehe
вся эта история высосана из пальца, автор ошибается практически по всем пунктам. Это не удивительно, т.к. у него нет доступа к реальной информации.
What’s the truth then ?
Sure bro 🤣 what's next? Gonna show us how Ukraine is full of Nazis?! lol
I remember when that plane came out it was A threat! With look down, shoot down capability
We just not gonna talk about the dude with 3 arms at 22:22?
😂😂😂
Are the Chinese attempting to win the “arms race”? Is this yet another failure of reverse-engineering? (Unable to successfully clone engineers, they could clone only the arms.)
😂😂😂 Hilarious 😂😂😂 !!!
The first rule of the Su-27 is that we don't talk about the guy with 3 arms.
well ah did see four extra fingers but no third arm , does that count , aye !
In an actual military conflict, it is not so much about quality or superiority in hardware or software or even state of the art technologies but rather tactical or techniques in determining the outcome.
Thank you for the detailed explanation of the China/Russia relationship, and how the domestic copy of the Russian aircraft was lacking.
He didn't explain anything. He repeated false Western narratives. My uncle was a student in Moscow when the Chinese and Russians stared patching up their relationship since 70s.
flanker plus american avionic = king sky👑
Su27 is one beautiful bird. Perhaps the top one
I like Su-57 better
was this made in 2024?
Copying is actually a form of flattery
not with the chinese :)). the one exception to the rule
@ragael1024 Is that why americanos are accusing and crying about it
A lot of the world's foundational technologies that ended up in gps, phones etc etc came from China. So are you copiers as well?
@user-rv6bs7jb4b Yeah, no. Foundational Technologies from China is oxymoronic.
"mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can provide"
Hey at least they bought more than one 😊
China steal technology??? Noooooo that NEVER Happens...... LOL
Well, China sees themselves as "The Middle Kingdom",, and thus superior to all other human races-especially ones with lighter skin than them! 😂
Apparently that's why they think they have the right to steal from the rest of us....
Looks like Israel has competition
Yeah...and the Anglos never stole anything. Like gold from India, the knowledge of tea production from China, oil from Iraq and central bank assets from Afghanistan for just a few examples? Look in the mirror before you cast that mocking stone.
@retiredferalJews don't need to steal they have a handle on everything.
@retiredferalnah they don’t. They just sell US and other western tech to China.
This is how YT should be...
The Pugachev maneuver was allready done by Saab Draken.
Yeah, it wasn't publicised to not angry the russkies but dinky sweden did it first.
North Korea will eventually master the maneuver in one of their MiG 15's
Weird that the Draken did it… it’s not the right shape for it, really- all the wing is at the rear. You’d expect it to have been the Viggen (the canards would allow it to lift the nose and control the balance better).
-perhaps the Draken’s cobra was a bit uglier looking than the ones we are used to?
22:22 guy on the right...wtf
Well spotted 😉🙃
Track 10 targets and engage 2?!😄 Yeah okay
why would any single superior fighter jet engage 10 out of ten enemy aircrafts at the same time? no need
Avionics is always Russia's weakness at times, while US semiconductors and microcomputers developed FAST. Russia's early avionics (mostly analog) only have two TWS (track while scan) selections. and those two selections cannot display at the same time on the HUD/MFD. Only one target at a time. Despite it being able to engage 2, it is actually useless most of the time. Practically, it can only engage one target effectively. At times they still heavily rely on R-27 passive radar homing, which means the aircraft must maintain the lock the entire time anyway.
China only started to develop better microcomputers after joining the WTO, and greedy Western conglomerates let China copy and steal their tech.
Afterwards, China's J(UNK) family starts to have better electronics and probabaly slighly better radar and missles but sucks at everything else.
Very interesting, but the video is about a third too long.
The Cobra Maneuver is of little use actual air combat. But it looks great at air shows!
And.. First done by SAAB J-35 Draken's, in the 1960's...
Who cares
I always felt that pulling a cobra in a dog fight would give the enemy behind a HUGE target area and invite a snap shot cannon feast.
@playtime6909 PERSACTLY!
@playtime6909 Depends on many variables, but, being a "SURPRISE, Buddy!" Move, the ' Snapshot' of Cannon opportunity is pretty small. Post-snap-stall, the Cobra driver is BEHIND YOU, has the Initiative, and, likely, Missiles at-the-ready, aimed at your tailpipe. The BIG (HUGE, EVEN!) Disadvantage, is the Loss of Flight Energy for the Cobra pilot; He's a 'sitting Duck' for anyone who wants a shot at him...
love the su27, looks like its doing a cobra just sitting
That's an old well known issue. However, I won't underestimate the Russians. They always find a way around.
Этим и живём. "Придут русские и нас спасут"😀😀😀
@ПетяПяточкин-и8я ага, пришли в Киев и получили пиздюлей древним совковым оружием.
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Pretty sure was the Israel sold China the American Tech you talking about here.
Hilarious title....!
On the way to industrialization, nations take this short cut to catch up, especially with importance of defense industry, generational gap means live or death. China wasted almost twenty years in development.
China is already industrialized. They continue to steal intellectual property.
@skyserfother countries do that to China too, if you read Chinese media, there were plenty reports of people sentenced to prison term for spying as agents of other actors, there were only ones caught. Realistically, if a government does not do that, they are derelict in their duties.
@s@shumingtan6885 _if you read Chinese media_
Considering that all chinese media is State controlled provide and outside source. Also, what intellectual property is purported to have been stolen?
@skyserfyeah, China doesn’t even exist, now you ok?
@shumingtan6885 _yeah, China doesn't even exist, now you ok?_
That isn’t an answer.
Cheers from Australia. New subscriber.
You did an excellent job in summarizing and explaining this long and complex episode of the Su-27 and how it goes beyond ! I am impressed and usually, on subjects that I usually know, I am rarely ! Good job !
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What did Russia expect China was going to do? The Chinese have become experts in industrial espionage , figuring why spend the time and money to develop something, when you can just steal it!
Well, stolen technology can blow up in your face.
Russians expected the Chinese to try but fail. It's a pity, but the Chinese were faster than Russians had imagined.
@xiaowen6876 The matter isn't so simple... as the video points out, it would have been much cheaper and faster for China to buy the Flankers from Russia. To understand China, one must consider issues like pride and sovereignty, but above all, the training of its own professionals in engineering that is the most advanced and sophisticated in the world. Imitating cars or motorcycles is one thing; cutting-edge military aircraft are not so easy to copy.
Have you invented your own paper yet...every time you wipe your as you are stealing chinese paper technology.....so stfu.
Sounds like America
This video is too long to view, Halfway I switch off too long winded .
They don’t trust each other and nobody’s trust them either
Somebody trusts them.
NOBODY trusts the US
@eman7282u besuan asadi me maduron derisa eleatët e tyre i nxorën në shitje 😂
@jasonharryphotog ''Доверяй, но проверяй'' (trust, but verify)
Who has the most knives stuck in their back? The Russians. No points for guessing who put them there...
At 22:17 the guy on the right of the screen has his left hand at his side, his right hand holding a clip board, and his OTHER right hand holding a flashlight! 😂
I have learned about the unhappy marriage b/w Chinese and Russian aviation industry. But this program is much more objective and thorough than the others.