DOWNFALL: The Case Against Boeing | Official Trailer | Netflix
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- A searing investigation of a once-iconic company and its tragic failures, DOWNFALL: The Case Against Boeing exposes how Wall Street’s influence and Boeing’s crumbling internal culture resulted in two historic plane crashes, 346 fatalities, and a shocking cover-up. Directed and produced by Rory Kennedy. Produced and co-written by Mark Bailey. Executive produced by Brian Grazer and Ron Howard.
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My grandfather was a propulsion engineer on the original 737, 747,757, and 767. He said this is what happens when the opinions of executives overrule the concerns of engineers.
The world doesn't learn. This happened repeatedly. When engineer's are overruled or taken for granted
And who gets fired and license revoked and possible incarceration? The engineer
Damn! This is deep man.
That's what happened with Challenger too
“Opinions of executives” tend to affect so many industries, it’s crazy. Like why the hell do companies hire professionals if they’re not gonna fully trust them? Some how executives always have the final say in matters they don’t understand.
This aged like fine wine but now we need part 2 given what just happened
They almost certainly had a hand in John Barnett’s death
Boeing will again pay billions in fines, escape with no prosecution, the US government $core some cash, and the victims again lose in the end.
I remember when Boeing tried to blame the Indonesian and Ethiopian inspector and governments for the crashes, they said "Those are underdeveloped countries with poor infrastructure and poor laws on aircraft maintenance" disgusting how even when they knew what the problem was they tried to blame the "poor nations" for it....
Blaming pilots isn't new for Boeing unfortunately. When the 737 Classic crashed due to the rudder hardover design flaw back in the 1990s, Boeing blamed the (American) pilots.
Well 80% of aircraft accidents are pilot error. But also, there is never one single reason for an accident: there are multiple factors. Pilot btw.
@@ezefinkielman4672 80%? you just came up with the number huh
@@songyanghe8893 he's not smart
Of course they’d blame anyone but themselves-even worse they chose to look down on other countries. Typical narcissist/CEO behavior, not all Americans are like that!
The pilot of this aircraft, Captain Bhavya Suneja was my classmate and a dear friend. Lost him to such a tragic accident. May his soul rest in peace! 💐
It's maddening to think what his family must have gone through. They labelled him incompetent and questioned his qualification.. imagine having to read about your loved one like this 💔
@@junejulyaugsep What's infuriating is they made these assumptions and accusations even before the black boxes were found.
Sorry for your loss. Sadly he wasn’t a great pilot 🤷♂️
@@ACPilot How did you know that?
@@krownzilla A good pilot would be able to trim the aircraft back to being in trim, then disable the trim by using the trim cutout switches.
Netflix seriously be bringing such a variety to us, honestly their documentaries are top tier! I learn something new each time
I know right? I remember a friend telling me to never board a Boeing plane but I never understood why. This documentary will definitely give me the answers, we love to see it 😊
@Jesus is LORD jesus is not GOD, he is a messenger of GOD
The thing he said is everything to do with airplanes
If only they were actually objective
@@emmadiri7189 Hold on there. This documentary is about the 737 Max not all of Boeing's planes which have an excellent safety record. I know you are going to say "well Boeing has more crashes than Airbus" Yes that is true, but Boeing has been around since 1916 and Airbus has been around since 1970. So comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. Let's crunch some numbers. Boeing: 251 crashes, 461 million flights, 1.84 million flights per crash. Airbus: 35 crashes, 28.3 million flights, 0.81 million flights per crash. Now if we just look at crashes that were FLE (full loss events) we have Boeing with 171.95 FLE, out of 251 crashes which averages to 0.685 FLE per crash and Airbus with 24 FLE out of 35 crashes which averages to 0.686 FLE per crash. So if your plane does crash, you have almost exactly the same chance of getting killed in either Airbus or Boeing.
I think this needs a sequel.
This sounds wrong, I don't want more deaths.
But it already has a sequel waiting to happen that's for sure.
It’s a crying shame this is a possibility, this company made headlines for developing the most iconic aircraft and now it makes headlines for being a joke.
The bean counters need to go and the engineers need to take charge, bring it back to its glory days.
Yea ofc
facts
hes talking about the door flying off@@strider029
Rest In Peace to all the lives that were lost and condolences to the families.
Nobody asked your opinion N word
And i dont wanna hear that you speak on holy comment section becuz u know what? Your bad English makes comment section sick N word
@@joerandom435 hell yeah
Lives were lost because some old men trying to cut corners and be cheapskates.
Hi
@@joerandom435 Your English is way worse.
When a CEO says “It’s time to turn this engineering firm into a profitable business,” you know what’s going to happen to safety and quality. Some businesses just aren’t meant to run with wide profit margins.
Tell that to our Healthcare system. 🤷🏻♀️🙄
@100 3 what are you talking about?
Yep another company like this is house builders - should be a civic duty to build high quality, carbon neutral homes for reasonable price for a country
Quickly learning that capitalism is fine but requires strict regulation and taxes to feed back and fix big inequalities and problems capitalism creates !
They wanted to compete with AirBus and look what happened . Total nuts they are .
Being an engineer from automotive industry, it just made me more sensatized about the safety critical projects we work on. This documentary is also an eye openor for many engineers
I remember when they blamed Ethiopian Airlines Pilots for being "too young" and that developing countries don't train well their pilots. PURE EVIL
I mean.knowing how to recognize and stop a trim runaway is something all American commercial pilots are taught.
The most ironic thing is that the pilot for the Indonesian flight was actually trained in the U.S. It’s not the responsibility of the pilot to correct for a broken sensor and adjust according to a flight system they weren’t even made aware. This was Boeing’s flight, 100%.
So true, plus the prick CEO recieved a 25 to 30 million dollar severance package. should have gotten 346 life sentences in a third world prison.
Of course they sells the defect product to developing nation, and sells the good one to rich nation because we're less worth for them to care.
Who needs Satan when you see this pure satanic work of greedy CEOs!
“This crew would have been fighting for their lives in the fight of their lives” damn that gave major goosebumps
And that was sully the guy who landed the airplane in the Hudson River!
Yep me too
The crews are the reason for the two crashes.
@@Inspadave k Boeing
I saw the video of passengers boarding the plane like a usual day.. its so chilling to see it after what happened
As a Boeing employee, words cannot express my shame for the lack of accountability for the leaders of a once proud aerospace leader. Boeing now is only a mere shadow of what was a proud, innovative fantastic company. The Chicago leadership only have concerns about stock dividends and their bonus percentage. The IAM, SPEEA,salary folks still take the greatest of pride about building the best, safest aircraft in the world. Unfortunately leadership talk the talk but never walk the walk. 25 million dollars severance to the disgraced CEO. The man who was personally responsible for the tragic deaths of 300+ souls. To the families of those who lives will forever be touch by these events, we those build the planes want you to know that ever bolt, rivet and flight system we put in is done with your sacrifice in the front of minds. You will NEVER be forgotten by us. To us safety is all that matters. May you one day find peace.
After the victims and their families the next victims are you hardworking Joes who spend their days toiling to produce the best plane you can, only to be spat on by the clowns in suits.
Facts!
Thank you for your kind words.
Boeing executives used to be engineers who worked themselves up to positions like CEO. Now big companies get their CEOs from non-related companies. Look at Scully from the pop industry taking over Apple. Then he fired Jobs....Apple was a sinking ship until Jobs came back.
Your words made me cry. Thank you!
It hurts me watching this as an indonesian myself, especially with the part where Lion Air exchanging email with Boeing, raising concern regarding additional training to their pilots. Lion Air itself is really one airline i would personally would not fly with, however seeing this really breaks my heart to families that been affected by the crash. It’s sad that greed and company’s profit are more important than integrity.
Shame on Boeing I watched it money 💰 over safety and trying to compete with airbus shame on Boeing RIP 🙏🏿 to the people who died lion and Addis Ababa
Rip corruption on boeing
You people have no idea why was aoa sensor replaced with a second one and not from Boeing ?????
@@michael-y8c who you calling you people???
@@lovinglifeforreaal5689 meaning people in this chat .
I love Netflix documentaries and that was a tragic story that I was definitely interested in learning more about.
Same. No other streaming services compares to Netflix documentaries.
@Jesus is LORD kookoo
China grounded Boeing 737Max after the first crash, while FAA didn't ground the plane immediately after the second crash, they did it only after Europeans grounded the plane. In hindsight the prudent way is always the better way.
I wish they would release a doc about the Malaysia flight that disappeared.
@@reviewhead There's also dozens of those
This documentary needs an update
YES.. with the investigation of the Boeing Whistleblower assassination
@@dltn42 And the door
Downfall, this time without a WW2 dictator but something just as evil. This looks totally amazing.
got that reference xD
Yes, the pursuit of profits above all else. Including human life. That's what happens when you don't put a leash on capitalism.
Did you just put this on the same level as the holocaust?
@@chowsu944 No, he just said, that risking the lives of people, just for literal profit, PROFIT, is just, evil, and unredeemable.
@@ukaszwalczak1154 "this time without a WW2 dictator but something just as evil" Where???
Going to be a tough watch but intruiged to see what comes from the release
it was a safety flaw that killed people, and it put pilots at a disadvantage trying to pull up an uncontrollable aircraft.
Nothing.
The Vortex - Betraying God and Country by Church Militant.
@@jeremypr I'm fairly sure Dj already knows that :)
People died because of Boeing. I still to this day won’t fly on the 737 max.
This isn’t just a problem with Boeing putting profits over safety, this is a lack of government oversight when the FAA allowed them to perform their own certifications
A common third party left out of the discussion is the airlines operating the airplanes themselves. Many lobbied heavily for a plane built on the 737 airframe but with increased efficiency and that it require no additional training for pilots. This, along with loose regulation oversight by the FAA and an increasing money over safety culture in Boeing lead to this situation unfortunately.
@@OnePingOnly no airline “lobbied” for “a plane built on 737 airframe but with fuel efficiency and no additional pilot training”. That’s preposterous. Boeing simply recognised that this is the only way they are beating Airbus, which is why they commenced the development of the Max model and marketed is as fully compatible with 737 pilot training. There’a always demand for less fuel consumption, faster speeds and higher seat count. That’s not an excuse. I’m against pitchfork mobs and this documentary will probably be very sensationalised, but your comment is so far up Boeing’s ass they might as well be paying you.
That’s like saying drug addicts “lobbied” Purdue Pharma to keep producing OxyContin, downplaying its risks in marketing materials and establishing perverse incentive schemes for doctors prescribing it for broken pinkies.
@@Avengerie The airline industry apply pressure through purchasing policy. If it takes too long to manufacture, or the purchase price is too high, they go elsewhere.
Also, I know of airlines right now who pressures their employees to PAY THEMSELVES for the upgrade of their licensing to fly new types of planes (by a complicated system of outsourcing employment policy). A cost that can run several hundred thousand dollars. if Boeing could provide a new plane that didn't require MAJOR education costs, that would help the airlines AND their pilots tremendously. I'm sure nobody thought of how that could endanger passengers and themselves in the long run ..
But, Boeing and their "relationship" with FAA regulators and Congress is probably the worse offender BY FAR! In 2005 the use of outside control was discontinued with the blessing of Congress and the move to South Carolina (non-union/no-objections employees) didn't help either.
@@busylivingnotdying I understand that. That’s how competition works. Boeing made it seem they are on par with or even better than Airbus (no need to retrain pilots), while cutting costs and performing a smoke and mirrors show every step of the way. To now claim they were somehow pressured by airlines is laughable. They chose to compete in this market segment in search of profits and presented a product that wasn’t up to standards.
@@Avengerie Yeah, they sure did! .. I don't think anybody want their customers to fall out of the sky, but "competition" and financial concerns as well as "regulator overload", can make us all lose sight of "the ball".. Even us Europeans, by the way ..
Ergo:
NOBODY with financial ties to the industry should THEMSELVES determine safety requirements. I wouldn't feel safe 40 000 feet in the air if they did.
Right when Boeing thought everyone forgot about this
Ay chill bro I work at Boeing😅 y’all better not cancel them, I need my coins
@@MrKlyde44 tell that to the dead family members, I'm sure they will understand that your paycheck is more important that a a plane of dead people
@@mibox8302 Ikr, And 0:41
Everytime I see his face...I do this 🖕🖕🖕. Because why? You know why. 🖕 You Dennis Muilenberg. You murderer!
Remember when the military-contractor Boeing®'s fanbois vociferously attacked a notorious international news-outlet for exposing all of the same in their undercover-documentary no less than 8 years ago?
@@MrKlyde44 - You better go apply at a company that gives AF about human lives in that case, cuz you ain't gonna find much sympathy here. 🤷🏻♀️🙄 Your paycheck ain't as important as the MILLIONS of us who fly on these planes every damn year. Boeing might sign your checks but they wouldn't give 2 rat's sh*ts if your loved ones had been on these planes, I promise you. Multi billion corporations like this have to be FORCED to do the right thing, or they'd happily watch thousands of us die, if it meant they could increase their profit margins.
When people get greedy, lives are lost. Those billions of dollars made by Boeing cannot compensate for the irreparable loss to any of the 346 people that died. Truly shocking.
Those billions of dollars have already been los because of this, and even more have been lost on the market value
I just finished it. What an excellent documentary and I like how the got the actual Captain Sully in the court and talk about it. He knew how terrible it was to have people question your experience and qualifications when all you wanted at that time was to do things right and save everyone.
This part. Even in the comments a few people are STILL trying to blame the pilots after we know what happened now
In the air it doesn't matter what you want or how pure your intentions are, only what you actually do. However sad it is, the truth is the pilots of those planes on those days were inept and did not respond properly to the situation. Very simple actions were all that was necessary to save the day and they simply did not do those things, regardless of how pure their intentions. None of this is to demean anyone, I am a pilot and just trying to explain some of these aviation events where the reality is very different from how the media makes it seem.
yes this awful but paying aircraft mechanics less than $500.00 a month and all these aircraft go down in south asia or africa or ukraine. Yes these countries don't have the schools as in America . so isn't it common sense to train harder in less developed countries mh80 was lost in this theater of operation. What boeing should do is not sell these complicated jets to third world countries. I worked on boeing helicopters they are the best three flight control systems even power steering I was grilled for 6 months before i could even do safety wire on any nut but i was Army. Take these mechanics from Indonesia and africa and work on our military aircrafts no fuckin way . these governments are so corrupt and it flows downhill Once again netflix gets it wrong they should of asked or did research on the Maintenance logs i looked at enough of them I would ground all their aircraft for FOD in the flightline. don't blame the american companies that you beg for our technology. Do your maintenance and have the balls to say it's your fault. would you let a doctor from indonesia operate on you or doctors from africa do your kidney transplant . i want to blame boeing because of cooperate greed but i can't .I am not surprised how we have a stupid culture in america or just plain dumb thank God i joined the military and didn't go to college
@@snafu98104 your comment has a lot of generalisations (and frankly racist overtones) and it seems you cannot accept that Boeing was at fault here. So I won't even bother trying to have a logical conversation with you
@@LeeKnowsCatss I'm sorry you need to do your research I worked on Helicopters ch-47's in the Army "I CAN'T FIX STUPID"
I got shivers watching this and it brought back memories of the day I heard about the news. My prayers still go out to those families
Hello gorgeous
True . And the last news was even more disheartening...cause they said the pilot was suicidal... the media didny really help much unless its paying the view.
Hello
it was bad training.
@@jb894 could you stop trying to make yourself believe this lie. The Ethiopian flight did as they were told. still crashed
Amazing Documentary. Hit close to home because it happen in my country, and the way Boeing blame it on our airlines even called them stupid and mock them on the document is beyond disgusting.
so very true
I am sorry for how they mocked them, that was rude and inexcusable. That being said, the pilots of those flights were categorically at fault. I am a pilot and the actions of those guys is what caused the crash. Yes the system failed but normal flying abilities and actions would have resulted in a safe return to landing.
@@keithcarlton2054shut up you Boeing paid cybertooper.
When all the families held up the pictures at the hearing...... as a grown man, I felt a lot of emotions... I can't imagine having to live through that time and time again. RIP to everyone who lost family and friends.
I’m Indonesian, I lost my very humble best friend in that flight. Cici, I miss you very much.
To the people who made this documentary, you have my sincerest thanks and deepest heartfelt gratitude. words can't even begin to describe how important something like this, and that it got made. After all my years at that company this kind of corruption of the culture at Boeing was only going to end one way, and it drove a lot of workers insane trying to find any way to stop it. That company lost a lot of it's most talented employees because of the evil that was seeping out of Chicago. Never should have happened, and I'm glad I left that place when I had the chance.
And yet again entire fleets have been grounded, this time over explosive decompression! This is not a company concerned about safety.
I flew on the Ethiopian 737 max before. When I heard one of them crashed I felt sick to my stomach. Boeing makes incredible planes, but this whole story about the 737 max is an absolute disgrace and Boeing should be punished severely for it.
Let's do that. For a month, let's ground every plane made by Boeing. Enjoy your bus ride.
@@weirdshibainu Thanks Airbus its here to rescue and mantain us safe.
Bwahahahahah!
Good hopeless delusion in the reality of duopoly, Mx "@@Banininator".
Airbus has its own problems with crashes. It’s not a good look for the industry.
@@MasonStrand such as?
Wow I love a good documentary. This looks really good I’m definitely watching 🙏🏽
Hi
SUBSCRIPTION
The Vortex - Betraying God and Country by Church Militant.
We need a second season now.
YES.. with the investigation of the Boeing Whistleblower assassination
I got the chills just to see the victims families standing up! Boeing betrayed those pilots who tried to save the plane and the life of the passengers
They got no right, it's cost of doing business. If one is afraid to fly, don't fly. What Boing did is proper thing and all other companies should do it. Death of passengers is not that important.
@@001looker go seek psychological help you freak
@@001looker do you ever think before you speak? what if that was you on the flight? or a loved one?
@@billionaireno1 they be dead as we all will be eventually
@@billionaireno1 Don't bother. Look at one of his upload. He likes a reaction out of people. He just didn't get enough love or happiness and lives a pathetic life.
I am happy that Netflix is standing with people not with corporates.
Bcoz, its the people who watch show
Why would they? What does Boeing have to do with Netflix?
are you kidding ? Netflix is biggest corporate in today's time
netflix is a corp stupid, and im sure there is all sort of sketchy things happening within netflix
@@surendranaidu463 Boeing is still way bigger than netflix do not worry
Only thing worse than Boeing’s actions is the American exceptionalism that wants to blame “third world training” and “third world pilots”…those very pilots and airlines didn’t have any issues up until now and suddenly, two different airlines, two different crews have the same issue with the same plane…that may be more than just third world training.
In an email exchange, Boeing called Lion Air stupid for requesting more pilot training beyond just slideshows on an iPad.
as an Indonesian, i was so mad when they said that our pilots lacked proper training because they come from a poor country. those pilots were trained mostly in US/Europe and they have never crashed an Airbus before.
america always wants to blame everyone even when they're responsible
Still appalled that something like this happened. You just can't look at a company the same after such.
Google "Air France flight 447," and "Qatar Airbus order canceled." More an issue with the industry and the regulators that are supposed to keep it safe, frankly.
@@johnnycash5858 r u shocked I mean they bombed Yemen for years
@@johnnycash5858 none of those are remotely similar to this. Qatar is just stirring the pot and tried to get som cash because they are broke. The paint issue (which Boeing also has on composites) is not in any way shape or form relevant to safety.
AF 447 was pilot error - get your facts straight.
@@johnnycash5858 Air France flight 447 was completely pilot error and not the plane's fault. Also, Qatar is just trying to get money by the paint issue. This also happened on boeing's composites so stfu boeing fanboy.
@@orlovsskibet 447 was caused by pitot tubes freezing. An Airbus design flaw and a pilot who arguably shouldn't have been in a cockpit meant that a crash was inevitable.
Netflix and their documentaries are so addictive. Just finished the Tinder Swindler and damn interesting was it. ❤️
Is that a documentary? Tinder Swindler?
that doc slapped
@@bereketgobeze8546 Yes
Puppet master was better
@@PastaSauce. That too was good.
This had me in tears. the victims and their families of this scandal deserve so much more. Dennis Muilenburg got his golden handshake, Boeing escaped criminal prosecution by paying 2.5 Billion dollars. The families of the victims received peanuts in comparison. The undertones of racism towards the pilots and authorities of those airlines involved was disgraceful. I don't think I will ever fly Boeing again.
What a time to be alive, Netflix and social media bringing down the rich bullies that got away with evil stuff for years...
lol they didn't bring anyone down. Boeing was the only ones who brought people down with their sky trash aircraft.
@@nhlpa17 damn, this comment is raw, but yes, so true, and needs to be repeated again and again
@@nhlpa17 While Boeing truly messed up with the 737MAX, that doesn't change the fact that they have produced some of the safest aircraft in the skies. Apparently people don't know that.
@@Cal90208 lol funny. Yet all 3 of their last releases were grounded do to issues. Boeing = skytrash.
@@nhlpa17 777x is grounded, only some 787s were grounded and some of it wasn’t their fault
Boeing should have faced bigger consequences for this. Looking forward to the documentary.
Prison time for gross negligence (a felony) was the only appropriate accountability that would stop Boeing Senior Executives from the malfeasance they have perpetrated and gotten away with for decades. The 737 MAX is not the first time their greed for $$$$$ millions in end of year bonuses has killed innocent people. Just the most obvious.
And, the DOJ gave them all a pass as a result of Boeing’s powerful, abusive and inappropriate influences in the USGOV.
Tragically, the danger their leadership culture presents still exists with David Calhoun as the CEO. Merely a crony of the old guard, a member of the BOD and Dennis Muilenburg fan club since 2009 who did nothing to stop the MAX killing machine.
Actual humans (Boeing executives) need jail time, which almost never happens when companies commit crimes. Sure, the CEO lost his job, but he can continue to be a millionaire and the company can pay a relatively small fine and just carry on.
@@ross4 but jailed by a US court would be hurting the multi billion dollar exporter Boeing is, and the country wouldn't let that happen imo. Much like Boeing itself, the US court can't take that financial risk
@@andrewgkorol "Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum" ("Let justice be done though the heavens fall.")
@@brockgibson9083 It was an extremely poor systems design. The idea this happened because of greed is nonsense. Put your pitchforks away bro.
Unacceptable to see Muilenberg (Boeing ex-CEO) got away with this without being punished by the justice. He had his millions of dollars compensation and just flew.
Yes Exactly. 25 to 40 million in severance depending on some details. Dickhead should have gotten 346 life sentences in prison.
Yup - he walked away with SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS in stock options and pension benefits. He should have gotten 60 years in jail. To make matters worse, he's back in aerospace. He's now the CEO for New Vista Acquisition Corporation. Unbelievable what rich, connected white men get away with.
Meanwhile Veterans have to go to housing authorities due to companies pushing inforned people out. But the ceo always gets millions......
@@bigjanyway2224 hedgefund
He was given the definition of a Golden Parachute
This needs to be talked about more, thank you netflix
When the victims are Indonesian, they blame the pilot. But when the victims are Americans they start to investigate. Human lives are not equal in the US.
You are 100% correct. Lives are absolutely NOT equal in America and not just in this situation either.
That's not true. I am a pilot, we investigate every accident in order to learn everything we can. After investigating, these 737 crashes were clearly pilot error. Evidence of this is, even in America over 80% of aircraft accidents are deemed to be pilot error. Pilot error includes things like this where there was a system failure but normal pilot skills and manuvers would have resulted in a safe landing. That is exactly what happened here.
@@keithcarlton2054 it was explained in the movie that in the simulation no pilot will survive if they were not informed about the mcas. Yet eventhough the Ethiopian had been informed about the mcas they were unable to deactivated it. So are you still think this is the pilot fault?
@@wancoet yes I do still believe pilot fault because the movie is factually incorrect. Case and point, the flight prior to the lion air crash experienced the same fault yet nothing happened because the jumpseater (jumpseat is an additional seat in the cockpit for other pilots to ride on but aren't part of the flying crew) saw the problem and helped them take the proper steps to fix it. I understand you may not be a pilot but the short version is when MCAS fails it presents exactly like another system failure, trim. Trim failures are major training focuses in all aircraft that are equipped with automatic trim (the vast majority). Therefore this specific training was not required and the pilots should have acted normally. Because they did not act according to the procedure, again trim procedure not mcas procedure (although they are the same), their actions put that plane in the ocean. In Ethiopian the first officer noticed the fault, called it out, and took proper steps to fix it. However the captain then later demanded the FO re-engage the faulty system. This is a huge no-no for us, we never ever re-engage a system that is known to be faulty. This, accompanied by other critical mistakes drove the plane into the ground.
@@wancoet listen to the pilot moron
Deepest condolences to the families affected. Thanks Netflix to bring such a great documentary to public. Boeing must compensate the families who lost their loved ones in Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines! They must apologize personally! Boeing's ex CEO, Muilenberg, must be put in the jail for his lack of leadership and conspiracy!
That will not happen, they got away with a 2.5 billion fine. And one of the mass murderer got paid over 60 million after he left..
Muilenburg was the fall guy. The real criminals are Jim McNerney and Ray Connor.
@@Topper_Harley68 And the FAA knew everything and yet didn't react. How can we trust the system?
yes this awful but paying aircraft mechanics less than $500.00 a month and all these aircraft go down in south asia or africa or ukraine. Yes these countries don't have the schools as in America . so isn't it common sense to train harder in less developed countries mh80 was lost in this theater of operation. What boeing should do is not sell these complicated jets to third world countries. I worked on boeing helicopters they are the best three flight control systems even power steering I was grilled for 6 months before i could even do safety wire on any nut but i was Army. Take these mechanics from Indonesia and africa and work on our military aircrafts no fuckin way . these governments are so corrupt and it flows downhill Once again netflix gets it wrong they should of asked or did research on the Maintenance logs i looked at enough of them I would ground all their aircraft for FOD in the flightline. don't blame the american companies that you beg for our technology. Do your maintenance and have the balls to say it's your fault. would you let a doctor from indonesia operate on you or doctors from africa do your kidney transplant . i want to blame boeing because of cooperate greed but i can't .I am not surprised how we have a stupid culture in america or just plain dumb thank God i joined the military and didn't go to college
Yesterday on 06 JAN 2024 the same Boeing 737 Max was flying to another US State, when suddenly its door exploded and fell off the plane. And today all of the Max's were grounded in the same state. I guess the time has come for the MAX to retire before something worse happens.
I knew it was Boeing but didn't realize it was a 737 Max. They're just wanting to dig their own grave, it seems.
This honestly needs another series for the MAX 9 plug doors
And here we are yet again
Thank you @Netflix for this. You are never afraid to investigate big corporations. Thank you for giving the victims' families AND the pilots who were wrongfully accused a voice. You never stop.
"Safety is at the core of who we are at Boeing"
Why do I never feel any sense of sincerity whenever I hear companies say stuff like this? It always reeks of damage control and PR to protect profits than an actual genuine message.
safety of his bonus and share options is what he meant ...
You keep being a misinformed fool ill gladly keep flying Boeing!
@@jb894 ok..
@@davidsantoso2291 ahaha wrong!
if it's a boeing, I ain't a going
“If it’s not Boeing, I’m not going” is something that’s more relevant of a phrase than ever lol
I've already seen a German documentary about this topic. Some of it was shocking to me. Really looking forward to this.
Whats the name of german documentary
@@shivanibakshi1343 DW Documentary, a RUclips channel.
Thanks
This trailer actually gave me goosebumps. Another greedy corporation puts aside the value of human life just to make money. I hope the families get some form of justice by the end of this documentary because if they don’t I might throw the nearest heavy object at my television.
If its money then yes, there was a settlement.
The good corporation is always undercut by the bad. The ones that aren't greedy go out of business.
The thing is this won't change with a CEO change. This is a whole corporate culture at Boeing, and it'll take years or even a decade to change that, if it ever happens.
@@moeburn That's reality. If you let your competitors move ahead of you for too long, you are gonna be history.
I just love it when these documentaries come up when I’m about to go onto a plane in a few weeks
There is a good 20/20 episode on this as well. The pilots fought HARD to save those planes (I believe one nose dived over 40 times). Boeing knew it was a flaw in the navigation system but still blamed the pilots and gambled with human lives.
“20/20” the cricketing-format???
CEO walked away with millions after getting fired. Makes your blood boil.
@@jenkins5265 If you don’t make your numbers at work do you get a bonus? Neither do I. We get fired with no compensation.
@@JustinLHopkins if I were responsible for making decisions that were negligent and led to peoples deaths, I don’t think I would be thick skinned enough to take the money. But that’s prob why I don’t have what it takes to be CEO.
Not a flaw in the navigation system. The plane was not aerofynamic due to the larger engines mounted to the wing mounts. It wanted to automatically stall. My understanding.
I was part of the engineer team in the 737. We did raised the exact concerns when the executives decided to overrule profit over safety. They wanted to rush the launch to compete with airbus. My heart goes out to the innocent families..
did you blow the whistle at the time ?
Stop the cap
So exactly what was your role? If you describe your involvement as being "part of the engineer team" I really doubt you were involved at all.
There's hundreds of thousands of people who work for Boeing. Y'all don't think we use RUclips? Lmao
@@theboontz58321 lol seriously. I worked at Boeing and was on youtube while in the factory daily
It’s amazing no one went to jail for these tragedies. So many lives lost and survivor lives destroyed.
Thanks for doing this Netflix. This cruel story of Boeing should have a wider reach.
Man I’m someone who’s just fascinated by airplanes and the aviation/aerospace industry in general - I’ve watched practically all movies on the subject such as snakes on a plane, into the night, sully etc etc
*Finally quality content for avgeeks* ✨🇵🇰⚡️
haha true im as excited as you
I agree. Most aviation documentaries are overly dramatic and silly. I just want the facts.
Pretty much same here
Try out documentary series like Air Crash Investigation or Mayday; if you're an aviation buff you'll deffo enjoy them too.
Frontline did a doc on the same subject that is very good and on YT.
We need part 2 after all of these chaos happened in past months
Astonishing movie. After all this, 4 days ago another Boeing 737 MAX 9 lost a piece midair and only pure luck prevented another hundreds of human lives lost. Who is going to stop this insanity?
Love these documentaries. I hope they'll also go deeper into the technical detail of 737 aircrafts. Looking forward to watching it!
It took 20 months of investigtion, $20B.....and it will be back in service with United and Southwest by Q2 of 2022 among other airlines
What do you mean by: “Go deeper into the technical detail”?
They probably won't. This seems like a documentary poised as a fight between the victims families and Boeing, not as a technical demonstration of what went wrong and why. Netflix documentaries seem great, because they create drama when drama is the last thing you need to be able to have an objective opinion based on all the facts.
@@terence.pereira Yeah this is the same feeling i got. I'll still watch it but i think the aviation part will be minimal
@@terence.pereira I’m sure they’ll at least touch on the MCAS and how Boeing registered it as an extension of the 737 to eliminate the need for pilots to go through full training.
POV: RUclips recommended this to you after the alaska airlines incident
I remember those can't believe it was only 2018. Feels like a decade ago, but really interested to see what this documentary says.
Boeing's response sealed their fate. No redesign, no admission of fault. Just victim blaming all the way down.
Yeah and those planes are back up in the sky. It’s like the biggest WTF
@@stellita884 they have modified the plane heaps though, and placed a heap of control back on the pilots as it should have been from the start.
The MAX redesign threw off the original center of gravity. The MCAS was supposed to help trim the aircraft for stability, but obviously with Boeing, money and beating Airbus to the punch, is more important than lives.
this show is about to go trending in a minute
Anything Rory Kennedy touches turns into a brilliant, intelligent, emotional doc, in other words, a winner. An expose of the airlines business manufacturers and honoring those who died in their planes.
As a regular flier before the pandemic...anything about airplane accidents like this really sends chills and my heart goes to the families.
I am an airline pilot, if you fly in the states you have nothing to worry about. The rules here vs. There are very different and we train over and over and over again to prevent accidents and keep you guys safe and happy in the back. Boeing did make a mistake on the original jet but good pilots can and did overcome that with nothing or note coming from it. Sadly the training and maintenance practices at lion especially was abysmal and illegal in many ways. All that to say we are highly trained professionals that take our jobs very seriously and every time I walk into the jet I am ready to use all of my skills to keep you and everyone else as safe as possible ✈
This is what happens when greed is the driving force of a company
We need more aviation content like this!!!
good time is suddenly shows on my recomendations
real.
The timing for this recommendation to come on my feed 💀
During these crashes I worked at an german airport and kept looking around for these 737 max thinking to myself "damn they are still flying, I would never enter one of those"
I just got done watching this, and I recommend it to anybody. I especially loved Sully being a part of it. My condolences to the families and friends of the lives lost on these flights.
They will have to make a sequel about door plugs.
Hoping this documentary explores the safety issues within Starliner and the core stage of SLS. Boeing's issues go way further than the 737MAX.
Back to the McDonnell-Douglas merger really. 👍
787 battery issues after how many millions in subsidies. At least the 787 is predominately a success story, but this is far from the company that built the 747 or even the 777
@@thomas316 rubbish. Boeing produce great planes, safe planes. If you maintain them well and have great pilots then they don't crash.
i hope they explore space as well
@@jb894 Typical American corp cost-cutting is the reason and everyone knows it. You just want to blame anything unamerican lol.
As an airline staff of over a decade I see Airbus and european tech as beyond capable of filling the void, they always hold a higher standard or quality and safety since their hiccups in the 60s 70s.
American infrastructure, tech and innovations is crumbling, unless you wanna talk Silicon Valley or the Army, nothing advanced is expected of America anymore.
As an aviation enthusiast of over 3 decades, immediately after Lion Air 610, I thought something was off. It was so quickly for many of the media to make the assumption that the problem existed due to Indonesian pilots. But something in my gut thought it was a MAX flaw. That should have been the end of it though. Boeing should have come clean about MCAS at this point.Actually MCAS should never have been implemented in its original form (single point of failure) at all!! It's no wonder that airlines such as Qantas (which were originally a pure and pro Boeing shop), are moving at a rapid pace to Airbus. The Neo caught Boeing by surprise and there was no way that the larger and move efficient engines on the MAX could work on what is essentially a 707 source fuselage from 1957. Too low to the ground to support MAX engines.Let's hope though they learn their lesson from this.
MCAS isn't a single point of failure in that it can be turned off if necessary because MCAS isn't required to fly the plane. MCAS was only implemented to make the plane handle like previous 737's so it could keep the same type certification.
It didn't help that Lion Air has a reputation as the worst airline in my country
@@SDGreg the single point of failure was in the AoA sensor
@@nakorite Not saying Boeing did what they were supposed to. But I think replacing a faulty AoA sensor with one that was 30 years old didn’t help. Indonesian airlines have a horrendous safety record.
The "single point of failure" is nothing short of an atrocity. They let ONE instrument, that is known to fail, set off an automatic nose dive feature that the pilots had no clue existed. Absolute madness.
The part of "who brings lobbyists to a safety meeting?" hit hard on me
I had a guest lecture in one of my mechanical engineering courses from the aerospace expert witness who worked with the Chicago law firm which sued Boeing. Incredible story of risk mitigation in engineering.
I don't have the time to watch the doc, could u just summarize what was the issue and what's the documentary About?
When you have bean counters instead of true engineers in charge this what you get. If your company requires great engineering then there should be someone well versed in engineering in charge. hey a thought. A engineer as the top of the food chain. I.E Elon Musk. You can't walk up to him and tell him anything. He knows. Physics and engineering background . Not just a " does this make us and the shareholders a profit suits"
God bless those families .
Looking forward to the sequel on this
A good friend of mine worked on boeings for years. He went from loving boeings to being mistrustful of boeings and doing extra checks after the crashes
I can recommend a good book for you/your friend. It's called Airframe by Michael Crichton.......great book & insightful re aviation & safety. P.s an uncanny coincidence into the 737 phenomena in that book...Hmmm.
company: it’s been 5 years, people have forgotten about our scandal
netflix: i’m about to re-end this mans career
Very interesting but Sully’s remark stunned me when he said “we shouldn’t expect pilots to compensate for designed flaws” while after the second crash he actually blamed it on poor training to later on changing his opinion after he tried to recover the situation in a simulator. Rather interesting remark from someone that actually told investigators and the commission at his hearing post Hudson that they did not consider the human factors and are only looking for someone to be blamed which in fact he did too after the second crash he blamed the pilots before knowing all facts !
Finally a detailed aviation documentary on the MAX series
"They would have been fighting for their lives in the fight of their life" we ain't ready for this!!!
Well. Now that Alaska Airlines' 737 door blew out and ANA's window cracked and SO many other issues, what a good time for YT to recommend me this video.
The youtube algorithm works in mysterious ways huh..
This is such a good documentary and well worth a watch! It shows just how a once admired aviation institution, world renowned for its quality and safety, can be destroyed by corporate greed and putting profits before safety! For those people commenting and trashing the pilots, they clearly haven’t watched this 🤷🏻♂️
right
What will they gain from loss of lives?wouldn't that just tarnish their name?pardon my gullibility
The interesting thing is that nothing changed. The person responsible became the CEO. He was the guy behind the scenes causing all the problems. They fired the puppet and put the real problem as CEO.
Love that producers can produced quality documentaries with Netflix's willing to aired it...and in turn they will undertake more quality programmes in the future.
What quality ? The the pilots were not trained “compensate for bad airplanes?” You need a pilot first off Ethiopian airline does not have those
@@bobthebuilder101ism what?
I waited for this documentary for so many years. Justice for the family vitims and vitims 🙌🏽🙌🏽
Airbus is loving this!!
Thanks, Netflix for showing this. You , Imagine Entertainment and Rory Kennedy were brave to release this gripping documentary. Boeing amazed me as kid with the 747 and how you could exit a 727 through the rear. Sadly, it's not the Boeing of today.
The one in Indonesia, that scary af man. The altitude and speed go crazy out of control, and the pilot doesn't have control and realize until they nose down to the sea with maximum speed. The biggest part from the plane that was found on the sea was only a square meter and no fully human body was found due to high-speed impact. My biggest condolence to all family members of the passenger.
There's some of human body, because my friend was a forensic doctor who helped to identify the victim and the condition was so terrible.
I heard that family of the victim sue Boeing but idk if they're win on court or not.
This isn't the cost of doing "business as usual", this is the cost of government and corporate corruption. Many other airlines happily and safely make a profit in the air.
literally makes no sense
Literally only one other wide body airplane company on this planet. Boeing isn’t an airline Sam
boeing isnt an airline. there is no airline on this planet that makes their own planes
@@ryanauburn Other planes are made and sold at profit, and successful airlines are able to purchase them at the asking price because they're businesses are profitable, ergo Boeing didn't need to cut corners and take such huge risks, when other manufacturers have sustainably conducted sound business.
@@samharkin9981 You mean the only other plane company Airbus. All please are made and sold at profit.
Very interesting Netflix! thank you for shining light on this.
Congratulations, Netflix, you are great at documentaries! This year I've already watched Athlete A, Broken, The Tinder Swindler and Found, and my list of this genre keeps expanding. I've always been a fan of non-fiction movies and books, but you can popularize documentaries across the world by serving us the delightful quality and large variety of issues researched.
Try House Of Secrets
I’m going to have to check out Found and also Broken but the others were amazing. There is another one out called The Puppet Master 🧐 📺
@@novadyaomah3168 missed this one 🤦🏾♀️ I may not go outside until mid Spring the way they keep dropping these docs 😂
Dig Deeper another
Just imagine if all the local restaurants can certify themselves in term of health/cleanliness inspections. It is unbelievable that Boeing can do something similar……
It's called cost of doing business. Standard operating procedure
@@001looker Nah. It's called not regulating a huge ass company like Boeing.
Yeah and Murica allows them cuz Murica is a corporate country
@@stellita884 Yeah, and they do the same for cosmetics, food, medical devices to a large extent as well.
Republicans want smaller government, if they had their way every business regardless of size would be allowed to regulate itself and your house would be full of appliances that explode and furniture made from toxic flammables.
This should be mandatory viewing for anyone thinking about boarding a Boeing aircraft.
That's one of the most shocking things about this. Is that Boeing has had a great reputation for decades.
Really interested to watch this. I love aviation and the competition between Airbus's release of the A320-NEO and the Boeings 737-MAX was something I was interested in seeing develope, but with the fate of Lion Air and Ethiopian Airline's flights, it was really disheatening. So many lives lost on poor decision making with finacial gain likely being one of the leading contributing factors.
all hail airbus
We should all be thankful that two crashes in 5 months is exceedingly rare these days. Aviation has become incredibly safe and it’s come a long way.
Netflix did a FANTASTIC job with this documentary.
My friend is among the victim. He was very happy moved to pangkal pinang as it was close island and only an hour flight from jakarta. So that he could easily go to see his family every weekend. Monday morning he took first flight, to catch workhour, and it was his last flight. 😢😢