What Falcons Need to Succeed / Eternal Fire Fizzle Out! - Counter-Points S2E16
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- Thorin and Maniac discuss results from ESL Pro League, Astralis returning to exciting form, Team Falcons' slump & why fans need to give the roster more time, potential problems at Virtus.pro with electroNic, continued strong performances by The MongolZ, and more.
Counter-Points is a Counter-Strike talk show, hosted by Duncan "Thorin" Shields and Mathieu "Maniac" Quiquerez.
This video was recorded on the 28th of April.
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:04:50 - SAW
0:15:06 - Eternal Fire
0:32:44 - The MongolZ
0:40:06 - Team Falcons
0:57:34 - Falcons need a Top 15 player
1:13:23 - Virtus.pro
1:25:34 - Astralis
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Игры
Maniac with the dead body blurred out in the corner of his camera
Erm actually that’s a chair with shadows and lighting 🤓
@@bansheem5382bruh wtf I am like 45m of watchinf this and I thought it was a blur area
i thought it was a finger in front of the camera
Nah if u watched the stream it was actually his wife flicking the bean in the corner
@@goneskithis comment is worse than the dead body one mate 💀
Thorin Bingo
"DUDE-"
"LETS BE REAL"
"BY THE WAY"
"THE JOKE IS" (free space)
"AS AN ASIDE"
"WHAT I WILL SAY IS"
"WHAT PEOPLE WONT KNOW IS"
*VERY ACTIVE LISTENING* (SURE)
"I'VE SAID IT BEFORE"
"PUT IT THIS WAY"
love you duncan
🐒
that accounts for all of them
This bingo is too easy man
you forgot "The problem I have is" "heres the problem"
Good list but you forgot
WHAT PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND IS
"NIGHTMARE SCENARIO"
the valorant figure was Sean Gares if anyone is wondering, he also streamed his reaction to the final and it's really interesting to watch if anyone wants to hear some live analysis of rounds from a former igl
device actually said in an interview I believe with HLTV at the major at some side event that the reason he felt it was necessary to transition to IGL was because he wants to play this game for a long time at the top level and he felt that his individual level would drop in 2-3 years, speaks a lot to who device is.
sounds a reasonable deceision from him but I feel like there aren't any future proven igl in Dannish scene for the past 2 years
If he really means to igl and win in cs2, he needs to stop awping. Only issue is Denmark hasn’t come close to producing an awper of device’s caliber since his prime
@@j_kaRNdev1ce said that Staehr can AWP and I believe everything he says about other players. Stavn can AWP too. Maybe at some point he'll let one of them take up AWPing and go back to rifling
Duncan “the joke is” shields
The joke is it cracked me up😂
I think he says it for English 2nd language speakers
Talent being less free in what they say in Valorant is so real. Steel has been fairly honest and critical when he has been on some Val broadcast stuff and I saw so much pushback online to some of the things he said.
The problem is that Riot has their grubby little fingers in every single aspect of their esports "ecosystem".
This is undeniably the best analytical CS show right now. Maybe HTPM is more entertaining but this is for the CS purists. Would love to see these guys on a CS broadcast desk together
dev1ce can do anything cs related, even him co-casting g2 vs m80 first map was amazing.
Love all iterations of this show
I mean Dupreeh just shouldnt be a star player. He's INSANE as a 2nd or 3rd star player, but he needs a rifler. He needs better numbers out of Sunpayus especially, even Magisk and Snappi.
From my POV, there's just a bit of overlap between Dupreeh and Maden in terms of IF I WAS to build a team in terms of them being in a similar 2nd - 3rd star/strong role player.
Thanks for the podcast!
props to duncan for accepting the fact that this astralis team is no joke. it’s an entertaining team!
pace, utilities, set pieces, teamplay of their t side is already top quality.
T side mid rounds and CT side is the area where they have put the work, because eye-test is still not title contender material . ofc they need time for this, especially for building a reliable ct side
Falcons, so dissapointed... but rly good to hear your comments, think Torin is so rigt in his analysis, Maniac, rly good points too.... at times in Vitality with the Danes and Zonic, it was almost imbarasing to witness the dissagreaments in command, especially concerning Apex... who had the final say? And they did not get good before they found out...hierarchy, sry to say, but it is important. Who is the boss in Falcons? I know who I think it should be, but what do u think?
The Counterstrike program for those of us on the right side of the bell curve.
Which is definitely a real thing :^)
I'm -3SD I'll have you know
I'm an IQ Smurf personally. How low can you go? @@potowogreedo
Duncan "If people don't know-3k in 30 seconds" Shields at 01:10:30
That’s actually gangster 😂
Gangster Thorin!
Also, was it tarik who said that?!😅😂
Nice
my issue with falcons is that due to being sponsored by the saudis, they had all the money to invest, brought in legendary figures (zonic, magisk), tried to buy even more legends like Niko, failed at that, and now are just the recycling bin of cs... I will always dislike the org because of how they came about, but that has nothing to do with the players... it's about an organisation trying to buy success quickly in order to become relevant in a sporting space... and though I like the players, given their legacy and how their salary is now most likely much higher on falcons than it was on their previous teams, I can't exactly feel for them as a "underdog" team
Kick Maden, move Dupreeh to his role and sign a star riffler.
56:06 Bruv, B1ade is LIKE THIS, he said it in hltv interview with Spunj; he knows what is working and tries to implement it with his new players.
48:50 what the f are they talking about here ?
Vitality were really bad before zonic , magisk and dupreeh , they didn't win a thing for more than a year but they won EPL right after they signed the danish core + spinx .
The Ence core was already really good and had won before and they signed Zonic and Magisk for Nertz and they did anything , now with dupreeh and still nothing , not even EPL groups .
The problem with Falcons isn't tactics , it is just firepower , Sunpayus isn't a top 6 player , he isn't even a top 20 player anymore , Magisk dropped off slightly and now with dupreeh in the team this turned into a danish retirement home .
Yup, the main issue is actually firepower. Sunpayus has fallen off from being arguably top 10 to a
@@trobosko Yes , Sunpayus was number 6 last year and now he's nowhere near that , Snappi was individually fine last year especially in big games and now he looks like he can't keep up anymore and you can't even use the new team's argument since Astralis, VP and BB all qualified and they all had player changes and some role changes as well , so I don't know what thoron is even talking.
Dupreeh is 31 yrs old playing star roles , signing him for that doesn't make sense if you want to win trophies, although he's doing fine for now , I don't think he'll keep it up for much longer and he certainly isn't going to improve this late in his career . If Sunpayus doesn't get back his old form , he should be cut next .
they still lost for six months before getting Spinx, and then after EPL they continued to lose for another six months until Rio
@@euriii Yes they needed Spinx like I said but they won EPL which is somthing Falcons will never come close to doing with this Lineup
Also Vitality Qualified to every Major , Falcons failed pre-dupreeh and I believe they won't make it to Shanghai either .
It is obvious this team won't succeed like this , Snappi's calling with ence was always a bit gimmicky , relying on off-spawn calls too much and the pop-off performance of SunPayus and Nertz , he is a 33 yrs old IGL and the only noticeable success he ever had was with Ence last year , thorin's stupid thoughts about him being a genius are obviously false .
@@stayhome4626 you just said the falcons’ problem was firepower not tactics but ok
3 views at 40 sec, oh boy they fell off
THE THING IS
Npc comment
At this point ppl will just comment smth like this even though it is complete fabrication xD
5:40 Thorin : "you need way more fragging in this game to win not as much tactics"
Also Thorin : "NaVi wins the biggest tournament of the year bcuz of AleksiB's calling even with lack of fire power"
Wait Also Thorin : "EF only has firepower that's why they can't win"
bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...........
Well you need at least some tactics to properly play the game in the first place. It goes to eternal fire. Regarding Navi Thorin said multiple times that this major win is a fluke + every their match before grandfinal was really close even with jL lifegaming every map. And the final is just Faze's choke + b1t hard carry. I believe there were a lot of times when Thorin contradicted himself but personally I don't see any problem with this particular take. Navi can't be a consistent contender with this firepower, just like falcons too
It's a balance of the two
NaVi fluked, Thorin talked about this
@bar0v I know and I agree with what you're saying , it isn't the biggest contradictory statement but I just wanted to point it out .
You can't say Aleksib's tactics (which is something you can replicate) won NaVi the major then you say it was a fluke (it can't be replicated)
Then you say EF has only firepower but they still made the Major playoffs with very inconsistent players in critical roles like woxic and wicadia , it must be maj3r's calling and his prep that makes them way better than they actually are as a team .
@@stayhome4626 oh well about maj3r I guess Thorin is just a EF hater lol. But still I also think there is no way they will get to the playoffs of the next major.
And with Navi these both statements don't actually mess up with each other. As Thorin said himself, there were a lot of luck in their run but you can't say they didn't deserve it. It took karrigan to absolutely choke on inferno and Kovac brothers to get lost on anubis and ancient. While bit and jL clearly over performed. Yes, many teams would still lose in such situations because of lack of the structure.
Aleksi's tactics became the last straw that needed to edge out their matches (imho they should have lost 2-0 to both g2 and faze). And you can count on these tactics, but you clearly can't count on your opponents to make such great mistakes
I made it about 2 minutes 30 secs in... Just to stay competative...
55:27 He agrees that Coaches can have short term impact but he wouldn't give credit to a coach if he and his team won an event after three weeks? I don't see how a coach couldn't have impact short term and thus we shouldn't give credit to him if his team wins: a coach is a job; a coach does his job THE MOMENT he joins the team! So if the team wins a tournament three weeks after its formation, bruv, credit belongs to the coach as well. L take of Maniac.
his point was that the level of impact they can have short-term is nowhere near the impact they can have long-term. a coach has to learn how his players play and interact and find a system that works for everyone, which takes time.
Thorin has a really bad pronunciation… disgusting actually…
get a real job nerds