@@arky5674 That's beyond the scope of the discussion, I'm simply analyzing Pedro's statement: The defining feature of an immovable object is that it cannot be moved. This specifically means there exists no force that can cause a transition from stationary to motion upon the object. Slowing down an object means reducing it's rate of motion. Stopping it means reducing the rate of motion to zero. Both of these are impossible if no motion exists. Stationary is already the slowest speed. An immovable object is not unstoppable. If it were to somehow move, there are no rules preventing it from being slowed down or stopped. We now see that the immovable object must be assumed to be moving in order for the first part of Cathedral's statement to be true. When it's in motion is the only time it can be slowed. However, if the immovable object is indeed moving, the second part of the statement becomes false because if it's moving then demonstrably it CAN be stopped. As already established there are no rules preventing this. My conclusion is that both parts of Pedro's statement are actually correct, but at the same time they completely contradict each other. And also as you so eloquently point out, the premise of the immovable object moving is a bit far fetched to begin with.
It's an amazing soul any way in LPL. There's always these clutch teamfights where everybody's low and the game lies on a knife edge. To do more damage AND take less damage at that point is great
be it as it may, all of LPL is just coin flips LNG, WBG, and BLG are all strong contenders while JDG is above them all, for some odd reason BLG can never beat JDG
imagine being LCK and at the start of the year you thought u had to deal with one LPL superteam on the level of JDG, then MSI happened and now you got 2 with BLG and JDG, and now by the end of summer u got 3 with LNG being on that level too 😭
@@Apdoxd After the last world championship won by skt in 2016, lpl has won 3 worlds championships and lck 3 so both regions are at about the same level.
Missing ignited on time in game 3 on the bot gank (after the cleanse), but the grievous wounds stays from ignite on the person even if they cleanse it that’s why you thought he mistimed it.
Ziggs is fine but first picking Jayce doesn't, LNG had blue side they should have just taken the xayah as first pick to deny ruler that safety but no scout went for blind jayce pick which left neeko open. Neeko is just way too good at teamfight just one good engage and LNG gets wiped. JDG even had Frontline they were never actually in any real threat Gala could poke them but never able to finish the kills. Better option would have been azir which can provide poke and disengage whereas Jayce is to volatile.
“You can’t stop an immovable object.” Is true, as their is no motion to stop. The act of “Stopping” the immovable object would require it to move, and due to it’s immovability. You cannot seize its motion as it never had any.
I can't think of any team that can be stronger than JDG. They are flawless: mechanical monsters every position with extremely rich varieties of strategies, deep champion pool, and the best coach team lpl ever had. They just seem invincible, one of the most powerful teams the league had ever had tbh.
@@marcellchaska6137 Theshy factor lmao. Xiaohu, Weiwei and Light are high-end players who can facilitate winning positions. All they need is for Theshy and Crisp to not run it down.
@@damiester1 yeah don't get on Caedrel hype train and forgot about TheShy. he is probably the worst top tier top laner you would like to be in your team
@@gustafborg4543 that's more fked up than today jackeylove chose not to flash xiaohu's vex ult multiple time when they were more or less ahead of rng smh
I've seen this many times yet don't understand, what's with a ziggs pick? can anyone tell me why they chose to go for Ziggs instead of a traditional ADC?
If its poke A Varus would have been great but I'm not a pro or high elo, I've seen LCS do it specifically TL, but haven't seen LCK or LEC (maybe they did and haven't watched it), maybe Its' just something they picked up in scrims in LPL since I always see Ziggs as a last resort? i.e. JackeyLove no matter how much I look at their draft on paper, it still feels weird how a ziggs would fit but Pro's are Pro's for a reason
@@ashleighybanez6898 Jackeylove and Gala's Ziggs tend to be extremely effective because of their mechanics. It just makes siege and objective controls a lot easier. Also, Ziggs does actually win lane quite often if your Support isn't weak. They just need a comp that balances it out, which is why they have tank top and ADC mid. The issue was actually Lillia being entirely useless throughout the game lol.
ziggs is good because it's an ap bot laner. Which make it hard to itemize against. ziggs is a xayah counter pick. He's also great at stalling games out. and allowing for other champs to scale. LNG have played GALA on ziggs with a lot of success in the regular season so it's not like they were pulling this out of their ass. they simply got outplayed in game. JDG too clutch
@sagarsingal7124 bro just wanted to show that they could've won the split if they wanted to. but trolled just to give other teams a chance OKBRO GIGACHAD
@@tiem6260 A lot of players on JDG are going to play in the Asian Games (and on both sides), which could destroy their mentals given how stupidly nationalistic South Koreans and Chinese people are.
Lng top contender in worlds they are going toe to toe against a very consistant team who won msi lpl spiring playoff/season lpl summer playoff and what, people will trash on them oh it's only 3rd seed like come on the thing is they don't run out of fights they picks up every fight
Should have gone first pick Xayah, and R2 Azir instead of playing Jayce. Jayce is actually useless without Maokai. Also, doesn't see the point of banning Kai'Sa on blue when it's GALA's best champion. Playing a poke comp too, in a game when the pressure is highest too. LNG needs a new coach.
@@GothPaoki You pick Tristana against neeko, Jayce so Jayce isn't bad and Tristana was banned. Ziggs is a counter to Xayah. Top got countered by Renekton. Idea of Lillia is you ult then Ziggs ult so theoretically isn't bad. So tell me what's wrong? Top out draft, mid even, BOT countered and both jungle is looking to do the same thing and in an ADC meta, BOT gap is everything. So yes LNG draft was better and you are iron. Set aside personal feeling and opinions and look up what counters what and what the pros have been playing in LCK and LPL.
LNG inted so hard with that last draft. Scout barely did anything with the Jayce and Gala had did nothing but waveclear. Also Tarzan looks so lost trying to play Sej and Lillia... constantly out of position.
I think in this case, they took the reference from Taking Over music video for the 2020 League's World Championship anthem, "now you're coming at the king, so you better not miss", not the first time these casters said it, though. If that moment you're talking about happened before 2020, then, the inspiration for that lyric may come from it.
why are you yelling for last pick zeri ? I think ur idea of the meta is wrong your asking for zeri but saying trisanna is useless... thats not correct. like if anything why did they ban tristanna if they were going to first pick xayah that seems weird to me because u could flex trist. Thats why the kaisa ban makes sense there's a lot of stuff that beats kaisa in lane just its a safe flex pick. especially when ap build is meta. As an adc player I ban neeko everysingle game. I personally think in game 5 making ruler first pick to get renecton is a mistake. Ruler has proved he can win worlds. JDG full trolled the last game draft and still won ali should never be this impactful.
He didn’t do that great this series, but even still he’s the reason they’re winning fights. People will continue to underrate the guy but keep in mind he’s a Korean player in a Chinese league and he’s still dominating the way he is. And he only gets better the higher the stakes. There’s like 3 adcs on the planet that are currently playing that can come close to what he does in team fights.
"You can slow them down, but you can't stop an immovable object"
-Caedrel 2023, 29:53
Both parts depend if the immovable object is moving or not.
@@Chromodar how do u move an immovable object
@@arky5674 That's beyond the scope of the discussion, I'm simply analyzing Pedro's statement:
The defining feature of an immovable object is that it cannot be moved. This specifically means there exists no force that can cause a transition from stationary to motion upon the object.
Slowing down an object means reducing it's rate of motion. Stopping it means reducing the rate of motion to zero. Both of these are impossible if no motion exists. Stationary is already the slowest speed.
An immovable object is not unstoppable. If it were to somehow move, there are no rules preventing it from being slowed down or stopped.
We now see that the immovable object must be assumed to be moving in order for the first part of Cathedral's statement to be true. When it's in motion is the only time it can be slowed.
However, if the immovable object is indeed moving, the second part of the statement becomes false because if it's moving then demonstrably it CAN be stopped. As already established there are no rules preventing this.
My conclusion is that both parts of Pedro's statement are actually correct, but at the same time they completely contradict each other. And also as you so eloquently point out, the premise of the immovable object moving is a bit far fetched to begin with.
@@Chromodari aint reading allat 😭😭
@@Chromodar Bro, if an object is moving, it can't be an immovable object by definition.
one hour of caedrel watching lpl? Perfect
Yeah, LEC and LCS have been so shit this yr IMO. All I do now is watch LPL and hate watch T1
@@jazeroliversy673hate watch T1?
That’s what I’m saying. I saw dons video was only like 30 minutes and I “noped” immediately and came here
@@maxk880 yeah, basically just praying for their downfall HAHA. I actually like the players but I can’t stand the fan base.
@@jazeroliversy673 ye T1 fans are crazy. One 'bad' move from T1 HQ and they are trucking them
That Chumtech Soul in Game 5 was actually kinda decent into a poke comp. Get poked below 50%, get 11% more dmg and dmg reduction.
It's an amazing soul any way in LPL. There's always these clutch teamfights where everybody's low and the game lies on a knife edge. To do more damage AND take less damage at that point is great
Ahh yes 360p just what a needed. A cruncy stream
Taste some of my crunchy nuts
That was a banger of a five game series and with caedrel commentary perfect. The lpl trophy is awesome
bro 360 p quality content
Pog for Editor
xdd for Caedrel
LPL PLAYOFFS BANGER
SILVER SCRAPE LETS GO
JDG TOO STRONG RULER KNIGHT TOO STRONG
LNG FIGHTING
LPL JIA YOU
JDG still on track for the golden road
be it as it may, all of LPL is just coin flips
LNG, WBG, and BLG are all strong contenders while JDG is above them all, for some odd reason BLG can never beat JDG
Damn i hate that you are top comment
@@duckymomo7935 Not really Coinflip...
@@duckymomo7935if they literally never lost to that other team how the fuck is that coinflip 😅😅
Not in worlds cuz there is T1
"You can't stop an immovable object"
its already stopped lil bro caedrel
LPL is the strongest region rn holy shit
Scout played so well, sad for him as an EDG fan
Always seems like Scout smurfs in LPL finals
He inted g5 tho
Banger final , lpl is certainly the best regio' currently , no ine can deny it
imagine being LCK and at the start of the year you thought u had to deal with one LPL superteam on the level of JDG, then MSI happened and now you got 2 with BLG and JDG, and now by the end of summer u got 3 with LNG being on that level too 😭
@@tiem6260surely they wont fall off at worlds like every year kappa
@@Apdoxd After the last world championship won by skt in 2016, lpl has won 3 worlds championships and lck 3 so both regions are at about the same level.
@@Apdoxdi mean you can always put money against them in every match if you really believe that.
@@Apdoxd
If we're using precedent, then LPL will win this worlds kappa because LCK won the last one.
But surely only precedent affects the LPL.
Missing ignited on time in game 3 on the bot gank (after the cleanse), but the grievous wounds stays from ignite on the person even if they cleanse it that’s why you thought he mistimed it.
54:48 game 5 Ziggs I hate it so much. Not winning in lane = tremendous emotional pressure. Even wins is lane, still need to rush the game.
LNG game 5 draft hard counters JDG minus jungle. Ziggs is a solid counter to Xayah but unfortunately LNG couldn't do anything
Classic result oriented analysis lng were winning for 80% of the game, lets just ignore the lllia pick though yeah?
Ziggs is fine but first picking Jayce doesn't, LNG had blue side they should have just taken the xayah as first pick to deny ruler that safety but no scout went for blind jayce pick which left neeko open. Neeko is just way too good at teamfight just one good engage and LNG gets wiped. JDG even had Frontline they were never actually in any real threat Gala could poke them but never able to finish the kills. Better option would have been azir which can provide poke and disengage whereas Jayce is to volatile.
@@AnimeAnniversery 100% we saw that in game 1 where lng basically won of the big neeko engages while knight jayce was completely uselss...oh wait
@@JoeMama-ik7qf Scout did not play it well in game 1 also diff composition.
As sad as i am that LNG didn't win, im happy the golden road chance still exists
“You can’t stop an immovable object.” Is true, as their is no motion to stop. The act of “Stopping” the immovable object would require it to move, and due to it’s immovability. You cannot seize its motion as it never had any.
Thx ChatGPT
Banning Kai'sa on Blue side when you have fucking GALA on your team.
I can't think of any team that can be stronger than JDG. They are flawless: mechanical monsters every position with extremely rich varieties of strategies, deep champion pool, and the best coach team lpl ever had. They just seem invincible, one of the most powerful teams the league had ever had tbh.
Uhhhh
xdd
meanwhile missing is missing when he can’t play rakan lol
I can think of one..
you cant stop an immovable object
-Caedrel
I want to remind everyone that WBG has a 100% winrate against JDG. WBG beats JDG at worlds
If they qualify,i think WBG has better chance at winning worlds than qualify for worlds,idk this team is weird
@@marcellchaska6137they have a high ceiling but idk if they can reach it
@@marcellchaska6137 Theshy factor lmao. Xiaohu, Weiwei and Light are high-end players who can facilitate winning positions. All they need is for Theshy and Crisp to not run it down.
@@damiester1ye that's why last game vs lng, the shy have lost dmg on his team as poppy
@@damiester1 yeah don't get on Caedrel hype train and forgot about TheShy. he is probably the worst top tier top laner you would like to be in your team
The pixels bruv..
Jesus that game 1 was tense. So many macro decisions before LNG screwed up.
"you can't stop an immovable object" -Caedrel
why its only in 360p
RUclips need some time
this is not the lng we saw in world vs t1 T.T
Tbh LNG and JDG feels so bad. Like T1 just doesn't play the way LNG/JDG wanted them to play, it's hard to force T1 into scrappy fights.
Wanted to wait for 1080p but already spoiled. Welp no need to watch it then lol
All Griffin Players is in consistent top teams and Im not even surprised
RIP the casters neighbours
They were at the stadium in Xi'an, not at their own houses like in the rest of the split.
@@tenshidust3501 take a joke
excellent ziggs pick for the ADC and main carry for the team in decider lmao. 😂😂😂😂😂
Same thing TES did whit jackylove game 5 va rng last spring😂
@@gustafborg4543 that's more fked up than today jackeylove chose not to flash xiaohu's vex ult multiple time when they were more or less ahead of rng smh
yeah why is that, for team comp? like in decider i'd prefer chose what you're comfortable with
Gala got paid to lose that series he had to take drastic measures
U fuckers know that one of galas best champ is ziggz right? "lIkE iN deCiDEr I'd pDefER CHoSe whAt yOU're coMFoRtAblE wITh" fucking clueless...
plant really looks good and healthy with this resolution keep it up
Jdg too good
"You can't stop an immovable object" while technically true, is also very stupid LOL
I've seen this many times yet don't understand, what's with a ziggs pick? can anyone tell me why they chose to go for Ziggs instead of a traditional ADC?
Hard counter to Xayah I suppose. She always struggle against poke champs that outrange her.
@@howsyourdaybeen8636 varus? caitlyn? like bro... anything but ziggs
If its poke A Varus would have been great but I'm not a pro or high elo, I've seen LCS do it specifically TL, but haven't seen LCK or LEC (maybe they did and haven't watched it), maybe Its' just something they picked up in scrims in LPL since I always see Ziggs as a last resort? i.e. JackeyLove no matter how much I look at their draft on paper, it still feels weird how a ziggs would fit but Pro's are Pro's for a reason
@@ashleighybanez6898 Jackeylove and Gala's Ziggs tend to be extremely effective because of their mechanics. It just makes siege and objective controls a lot easier. Also, Ziggs does actually win lane quite often if your Support isn't weak. They just need a comp that balances it out, which is why they have tank top and ADC mid. The issue was actually Lillia being entirely useless throughout the game lol.
ziggs is good because it's an ap bot laner. Which make it hard to itemize against. ziggs is a xayah counter pick. He's also great at stalling games out. and allowing for other champs to scale. LNG have played GALA on ziggs with a lot of success in the regular season so it's not like they were pulling this out of their ass. they simply got outplayed in game. JDG too clutch
Yeah the lpl final is cool but i hope we get a video on how BRO beat geng. The Real final
What happened to Gen G? Did KT's match against them break their mental?
Bro i tought it was a joke when I heard that in stream but they really 2-0 Geng G💀
@@damiester1 they were locked second no matter what so they probably realized they could troll for a bit
@sagarsingal7124 bro just wanted to show that they could've won the split if they wanted to. but trolled just to give other teams a chance OKBRO GIGACHAD
@@damiester1 lol they 2-0 dk after that lost against kt
really happy to see neeko being play here
Why did Ruler max W on Aphelios game 3? Doesn't make sense to me since he's agaist xayah azir
52:35 the jackeylove
These videos are always the best way to start my mornings 💕 thank you Pedro and editor!
Mazel (the LPL caster) just makes everything worse for me. Can’t stand hearing him. Mazel logic: Max volume screaming = instant hype
LCS casters are goats, sucks that the region they cast is bad.
Ruler just plays at 100% at all times
LPL delivering bangers as usual, wish LNG picked Kai'sa for Gala in game 5 tho
when are you putting that ring on dom?
JDG grandslam inc? I've been wondering if they could pull it off since they won msi, now all that's left is worlds.
Only other team to get to this point was G2
SKT was close twice in 2015 and 2016. Both years missed 1 tournament by loss in finals and semifinals.
@@Woelockrng 2018
RNG got to this point in 2018, but JDG are a different beast. if JDG cant do it than its just straight up impossible
@@tiem6260 A lot of players on JDG are going to play in the Asian Games (and on both sides), which could destroy their mentals given how stupidly nationalistic South Koreans and Chinese people are.
you should put a spoiler block at the end editor
Quality is fine for me but still no audio??
Edit:
Audio fixed
watching this before the WQS BDS vs GG😂
Finally i can watch in 1080p😊
Has any team done the golden road yet?
Nope
wtf is this quality mr editor!!?
why is knight in eveyr finals
after all this time watching lpl, i have learned 2 things about knight today. one, hes got some salad fingers looking hands. two, hes left handed
As is well known his nickname is ”golden left hand”
can you re upload in good quality?
Lng top contender in worlds they are going toe to toe against a very consistant team who won msi lpl spiring playoff/season lpl summer playoff and what, people will trash on them oh it's only 3rd seed like come on the thing is they don't run out of fights they picks up every fight
LNG vsing LEC and LCS teams will be interesting
JDG wins everything this year? Spring, MSI, Summer and Worlds?
what's with the quality?
an hour? blessed.
did bro really just say “you cant stop an immovable object” technically you aint wrong but
5 robot 🤖 took the words from my mouth
LNG lost on purpose so they can knock out WBG again in the regional gauntlet
Nah wbg wont even get to the point of playing lng if lng some how loses to edg
@@Alejandro-xk5ejthe only way wbg play lng is if lng loses to edg
Quality?
My side is 1080p but theres no audio.
Should have gone first pick Xayah, and R2 Azir instead of playing Jayce. Jayce is actually useless without Maokai. Also, doesn't see the point of banning Kai'Sa on blue when it's GALA's best champion. Playing a poke comp too, in a game when the pressure is highest too. LNG needs a new coach.
not watching this in 360p buddy, brings me back to when i was 11 watching runescape videos
cry
Please tone done the casters.
Sad that lng fumbled this again. Their g5 draft was asking to lose and they once again drop the ball in baron in g4.
pls fit some more spoilers in this comment
@@aljoschaz like anyone would need spoilers to know who won when jdg is playing...
Iron take. Minus jungle LNG draft hard gaps JDG. Ziggs is a counter to Xayah but JDG just played that game well.
@@poros4588 So they have LITERALLY ZERO cc immunity against neeko,sej, rene and you think lng hardgapped draft. And you call my take iron....
@@GothPaoki You pick Tristana against neeko, Jayce so Jayce isn't bad and Tristana was banned. Ziggs is a counter to Xayah. Top got countered by Renekton. Idea of Lillia is you ult then Ziggs ult so theoretically isn't bad. So tell me what's wrong? Top out draft, mid even, BOT countered and both jungle is looking to do the same thing and in an ADC meta, BOT gap is everything. So yes LNG draft was better and you are iron.
Set aside personal feeling and opinions and look up what counters what and what the pros have been playing in LCK and LPL.
why is the only quality available 360?
wow LNG really threw this series
29:55 I really hope u were memeing but it seems that u weren't xdddd
and no i don't mean wbg is good, I mean stopping immovable object xd
1:04:00 LPL macro is just like every other region. Just stare at enemy take objective and die anyways
cope
Spoiler block
Can't believe we had to watch this instead of the Brogods 2-0ing GenG
only 360p?
LNG inted so hard with that last draft. Scout barely did anything with the Jayce and Gala had did nothing but waveclear. Also Tarzan looks so lost trying to play Sej and Lillia... constantly out of position.
Ruler is just built different
Idk how you watch this series and come to the conclusion that ruler did something
@@shgalagalaafr
@@shgalagalaathey just brainwashed at this point , because hes korean , get it?
360p??
LNG blundered that Game 5, but good series overall
so early its 360p kek
surely G2 would stomp them 3:0 at Worlds Finals
Yeah we saw that vs fpx in 2019
holy moly
Gamers know that the caster says “You shoot at the king, you better not miss” is a famous csgo casting moment
I think in this case, they took the reference from Taking Over music video for the 2020 League's World Championship anthem, "now you're coming at the king, so you better not miss", not the first time these casters said it, though. If that moment you're talking about happened before 2020, then, the inspiration for that lyric may come from it.
it's a rephrasing of a famous Emerson quote that was also famously said on The Wire.
Gamer moment. Pick up a book or something.
why are you yelling for last pick zeri ? I think ur idea of the meta is wrong your asking for zeri but saying trisanna is useless... thats not correct. like if anything why did they ban tristanna if they were going to first pick xayah that seems weird to me because u could flex trist. Thats why the kaisa ban makes sense there's a lot of stuff that beats kaisa in lane just its a safe flex pick. especially when ap build is meta. As an adc player I ban neeko everysingle game. I personally think in game 5 making ruler first pick to get renecton is a mistake. Ruler has proved he can win worlds. JDG full trolled the last game draft and still won ali should never be this impactful.
Whyy 360ppppp
rulers the best player in the world atm
He aint even the best player in jdg
Bruh
@@francis5082 You’re ill if you think ruler has performed better than knight this year
I do though. Did you watch msi at all
He didn’t do that great this series, but even still he’s the reason they’re winning fights. People will continue to underrate the guy but keep in mind he’s a Korean player in a Chinese league and he’s still dominating the way he is. And he only gets better the higher the stakes. There’s like 3 adcs on the planet that are currently playing that can come close to what he does in team fights.
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JDG GRAND SLAM I SAID IT
i have never seen ziggs bot useful in proplay once, it looks so bad?
Its really, really good if they play around it. They need to play for plating and abuse Ziggs to get basically all of it
why is no one commenting on the video quality
i couldnt find the original message from the editor, i just wanted to say great job for watching out for such things and take care man
they should have play garen
LNG robbed themselves.
yessirrrrrrr
I’m calling it, JDG gets the grand slam this year. 🎉
No risk
grand Choke
I loved the casting, it's like CS:GO which is the best casting ever
maokai is a good champ
360p gang
Really felt Tarzans pain when playing lillia. This champ is just so weak to bullying by laners.
LPL 1 team region fr
yeah sure say that when theres no korean in both teams, koreans will and always be the best league of legends player
@@ZyrexShorts129 yeah because Ruler, Scout, and Tarzan aren't Korean am I right?
How is it so hard to upload in decent quality?
LCK will be lucky to win even 1 game against JDG, LNG and BLG. Msi was 1-6, worlds will be even worse
xdd
xDD 11-1
Thanks for the coverage! Had to stop watching when u started eating tho