Ed Boon made sure to kill Bi-Han in terms of damage after the Beta 😂😂😂😂 he found out what they did to Scorpion he made sure Sub Zero didn’t go untouched
@@Kek393 Kenshi is also one of the hardest characters to learn in the entire game and is extremly rewarding if you do learn it. ice clone is nothing like it and is mostly a combo tool right now. the purpose of it not staying long is due to in other games you can ice clone then grab or combo for free.
@@WilliamI14 Yeah so Kenshi is allowed to do 50% for free because "he is hard to learn"? This is a fighting game, even easy characters should be able to do comparable damage. Ice clone is super fucking hard to land as intended and in combos you don't even fucking want to use it lmao. Idk what Netherrealm did but the second the target gets frozen the damage just gets fucked.
I'm a huge MK and Sub-Zero fan since childhood. I was soo hyped when I heard Bi-Han is back as Sub-Zero but seeing him in story mode, also his gameplay it broke my heart into pieces. They really butchered his character in this one imo.
i get the gameplay part 100% but i think they hit his character spot on in the story, its the same dickhead bi han we all love its constantly reminds me of mk11 bi han
@@8hartshis character is FAR from spot on. That’s not Bi Han, that Noob Saibot made human. People have gotten so used to seeing Bi Han as Noob that they think that’s who he actually is. Sure Bi Han was no saint but he wasn’t this cartoonishly evil. He had a moral code, he knew his limits, the most important detail, he was loyal to the Lin Kuei and their traditions. He’s so out of character that I feel they butchered him even worse than Sindel in Mk11.
Kenshi is fine cause he's hard to master, but Johnny is super basic, if you pick a zombie from Resident Evil and give him the controller he will learn Johnny combos in 5 minutes, maybe 10 if he doesn't have arms
I just picked up Sub Zero/ Sareena & man his kombos are so fun & cool looking.. will add him to the other mains i use & hopefully NRS give him some love.
Its hard being a sub main. Most of his moves are punishable, most of his moves are slow, he does no damage, they gave him a ice ball that nobody uses, his ice clone is punishable for no reason. He doesnt even have 50/50s because his overhead is slow.
If you throw in a Frost kameo you sacrifice the damage you'd get with other kameos, but now your back 2 has a overhead low option, your 212 can now be a 21 ice karpet, as can 122 If it's blocked you're eating a full combo but if you condition people to block the last hit overhead the ice karpet leads to a kombo
Exactly. I don't even care for a damage buff at this point because i can get combos everywhere. and whittle them down. The problem is his frame data. You will lose your turn by default on basically any string/hit. Even his fast "punish" string sucks because its range is so bad and most people will down1/3 for pokes so most times they duck it. They need to tune his scaling when he uses bar so its not all 3 to just barely hit 40%, and fix his frame data. Maybe make standing 212 a high,mid,OH, instead of double high. And for the love of all that is cold... BUFF ICE BALL! It's so fucking slow its laughable. Literally nothing comes from landing an iceball except a slide. The only time i was able to get a combo off an iceball is when i accidentally hit them with it when they're jumping in. Maybe make deadly vapor better if thats the case? Like faster recovery cause ice punch is so punishing when you miss, it's slow, and doesnt even block all projectiles if they have multiple like REIKO. His stars will always have a few that make it through the Klone and Ice punch.
You can ice clone every time they jump into you, you can bait them into it by getting a life lead and spamming ice ball and ice clone punch. (If they start to jump over your projectiles, use the Sonya kameo to snipe them out the air to get a quick combo or a ice slide if they’re far.
He's a good character for people who know how to read other players. The people who only use Cage and Smoke and cheese the same 50/50, super high damage, pop up combos with Sareena over and over again don't like him because he doesn't have anything like that .
1:25 Some people dont know that standing 2,1 damage scales a lot more than it should. It counts the hit as freezing the opponent, so it scales accordingly
The annoying thing about mortal kombat games is the move sets don’t carry over from game to game unlike street fighter or Tekken a character could be op in one game but be low tier in another one especially if there’s a character you like enough to main in every game
I play this character so much I came up with some cool combos but it seems like the more hits you put out the damage drops simple combos are the better ones to do
It took Bi-Han more than 20 years to return as the main Sub-Zero and he was done dirty
Bro he’s already super annoying to play against on ranked ice cloning every damn 5 seconds
@@JustSendMeLocation5 seconds in a fighting game is a lot, and your damage simply plummets the moment you hit the ice clone
@@JustSendMeLocationskill issue
@@JustSendMeLocationhe can barely do 1 ice klone every 5 seconds wym💀
He’s not that bad I do enough damage with him
Ed boon was like “if y’all make scorpion low tier I want sub zero even lower”
Ed Boon made sure to kill Bi-Han in terms of damage after the Beta 😂😂😂😂 he found out what they did to Scorpion he made sure Sub Zero didn’t go untouched
Scorpion was never low tier in MK1
Oooh look at me I have a safe mid launcher
Look at me I have a full screen meterless launcher
He may be B tier in the gameplay but he is S+ tier in the roasts.
So he basically can’t walk his talk
Who are the c tier characters in this game?
@@rotemegozi1044 Nobody. There are no straight up bad characters. Sub-Zero's just the only honest character in a dishonest game.
@@Kek393ashrah is pretty underwhelming
@@Kek393 ironic
The ice clone cool-down wouldn’t even be an issue if the clone itself stayed on screen longer 🤦♂️
Kenshi's Sento stance can be on the field for 15 seconds but Ice Clone is too op >:(
@@Kek393 Kenshi is also one of the hardest characters to learn in the entire game and is extremly rewarding if you do learn it. ice clone is nothing like it and is mostly a combo tool right now. the purpose of it not staying long is due to in other games you can ice clone then grab or combo for free.
@@WilliamI14 Yeah so Kenshi is allowed to do 50% for free because "he is hard to learn"? This is a fighting game, even easy characters should be able to do comparable damage. Ice clone is super fucking hard to land as intended and in combos you don't even fucking want to use it lmao. Idk what Netherrealm did but the second the target gets frozen the damage just gets fucked.
@@WilliamI14kenshi is not that hard😂. Y’all overrated his difficulty
kenshi is not hard at all the only thing hard about him is the timing to his OPTIMAL combos his unoptimal combos are easy asf and still do 40%
Sub zero: "whoever's praying on my downfall, stop.. you've already won..."
He absolutely needs a buff but since so little people play him I’ve been able to get from master-Demi god just using him and frost
no bro he is already annoying and boring to fight with these non sense clones
@@sethxtekkenhis clone is pretty bad and not hard to counter
@@sethxtekkenjust armor through it
@@Jer4206 i play shou khan i dont have rush shit
@sethxtekken maybe stop walking back and mashing?
Bi Han: just let me die already, so i can become Noob Saibot, im tired having no damage!
Honestly it shouldn't be 'SUB-ZERO WINS' anymore... 'SUBZERO NEEDS HELP' is perfect
Y’all stretching it he’s no way near as bad as people are claiming, he’s already super annoying to fight against in ranked.
F in the chat for Bi-Han
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Mad respect for FazeJev for being a Sub-Zero main among hundreds of Johnnys and Kenshis
No respect for any sub main
@@demonicpassageyou def a Omni man main lil beo
@@demonicpassagelol you clearly get beaten by sub every time you play against him
Losing to bottom 1 is embarrassing
With every video you prove that you have the best Mortal Kombat content on youtube
I'm a huge MK and Sub-Zero fan since childhood. I was soo hyped when I heard Bi-Han is back as Sub-Zero but seeing him in story mode, also his gameplay it broke my heart into pieces. They really butchered his character in this one imo.
i get the gameplay part 100% but i think they hit his character spot on in the story, its the same dickhead bi han we all love its constantly reminds me of mk11 bi han
Gameplay hes a joke I only play him for the character and voice acting that’s absolutely it
@@8hartshis character is FAR from spot on. That’s not Bi Han, that Noob Saibot made human. People have gotten so used to seeing Bi Han as Noob that they think that’s who he actually is.
Sure Bi Han was no saint but he wasn’t this cartoonishly evil. He had a moral code, he knew his limits, the most important detail, he was loyal to the Lin Kuei and their traditions.
He’s so out of character that I feel they butchered him even worse than Sindel in Mk11.
@@Noodleeatingfool22not to mention hes the reason Sareena is alive and a good person too.
Well, in the ig timeline at least
I love that Raiden teabags a bit, and lolhound's like "ey, was that necessary?!"
It's the "mind your place Tomas" while he ducks smokes grab kills me😂
they did my boy sub-zero very dirty
As the only person praying on Sub-Zero's downfall, I can confirm he still needs a buff.
The only person? Nah, a decent amount of people genuinely want him to stay bad for no reason
@@Handlesaretrash Mostly just a joke, but I really did struggle against him early on, I'll be honest.
He’s been a terror for 2 games. He can be bad for 1 and he’s still annoying now
@@Handlesaretrashhe was dumb broken in mkx and 11. not requiring any brain, and the kl demons were atrocious
I want him and scorpion out of the Franchise. It's been to long
The fact that they made him useless while keeping Johnny and Kenshi the same is crazy
Kenshi is fine cause he's hard to master, but Johnny is super basic, if you pick a zombie from Resident Evil and give him the controller he will learn Johnny combos in 5 minutes, maybe 10 if he doesn't have arms
@@ThalesAssis-xm6hd Eh idk about that, for NRS games yeah he's hard but not that much imo
@@notredboi its not easy controlling two chars at same time
Bi han Sub zero: i am too weak.
Kuai Liang Sub zero: Unlimited power!!!!!!
0:34 Faze Jev🔥
Nerf tremor video boutta go crazy
As a Sub main I win game 1 so often then proceed to lose 2 or 3 in a row because of how easy he is to figure out.
Sounds like that’s a you problem 😂
50 hit combo gives 200 damage while johnny, kenshi, raiden, geras, and baraka does 500+ damage in like 10+ hits
You have no idea how much i thank you just for putting father jev in this video 😂
I just picked up Sub Zero/ Sareena & man his kombos are so fun & cool looking.. will add him to the other mains i use & hopefully NRS give him some love.
I laugh out loud watching this man's edits and sound effects. I love you LolHounds
Its hard being a sub main. Most of his moves are punishable, most of his moves are slow, he does no damage, they gave him a ice ball that nobody uses, his ice clone is punishable for no reason. He doesnt even have 50/50s because his overhead is slow.
If you throw in a Frost kameo you sacrifice the damage you'd get with other kameos, but now your back 2 has a overhead low option, your 212 can now be a 21 ice karpet, as can 122
If it's blocked you're eating a full combo but if you condition people to block the last hit overhead the ice karpet leads to a kombo
@@PyroInTheFace21 yea but 212 and 122 you could literally armor move after the second hit and most people do that
@@PyroInTheFace21 plus most characters are literally safe on block and it gets annoying to even try the 122 or 212
@@SandwichGaming-e3f preaching to the choir brother. Just letting you and other people know there are options.
@@SandwichGaming-e3fhell you can armor after the first hit and the sub player doesn’t even get the chance to mix you
you can actually get a lot more damage with sub/sareena. highest is 482 with fatal blow, regular combo is 414
still not enough compared to others, and the only way u can get 41 with no fatal is using both kameo bars and one meter which isn’t optimal.
414 using 40% more resources than any other character in the game. abysmal
@@cwj2733I can get 420ish with no bar and sareena. With fatal I can get 511
@@Skotxodon't need a bar but yes to the 2 kameos to get 403 to 430ish
Bro he’s already mad annoying to play against in ranked, constantly ice cloning every 5 damn seconds.
From sub zero to sub par. I actually love to see it.
So apparently Sareena is the ONLY kameo Sub-Zero can be good with
I'm so glad you're still doing the nurf or help pls videos cuz I'm a huge fan since your MK11 Jade & Noob videos!!! Great work again!
Sub just needs better frames hes very punishable on his good strings
Exactly. I don't even care for a damage buff at this point because i can get combos everywhere. and whittle them down. The problem is his frame data. You will lose your turn by default on basically any string/hit. Even his fast "punish" string sucks because its range is so bad and most people will down1/3 for pokes so most times they duck it. They need to tune his scaling when he uses bar so its not all 3 to just barely hit 40%, and fix his frame data. Maybe make standing 212 a high,mid,OH, instead of double high. And for the love of all that is cold... BUFF ICE BALL! It's so fucking slow its laughable. Literally nothing comes from landing an iceball except a slide. The only time i was able to get a combo off an iceball is when i accidentally hit them with it when they're jumping in. Maybe make deadly vapor better if thats the case? Like faster recovery cause ice punch is so punishing when you miss, it's slow, and doesnt even block all projectiles if they have multiple like REIKO. His stars will always have a few that make it through the Klone and Ice punch.
I've never had issues with getting damage but I always get screwed over because of how comically slow he is
I’m gonna need a legitimate reason for why tf his f123 is unsafe
"You are all just Orphans" - Sub-zero to his haters probably
Sub-Zero being his own Tier is just too much
You can ice clone every time they jump into you, you can bait them into it by getting a life lead and spamming ice ball and ice clone punch. (If they start to jump over your projectiles, use the Sonya kameo to snipe them out the air to get a quick combo or a ice slide if they’re far.
This makes me sad, his combos are a lot of fun to do.
As a sub Main since mk11 I feel this
A sad story for a great character
Worst part is this is my favorite sub zero design that's been made, favorite voice too.
Right? The design is amazing
the worst part about ex ice clone is that it isnt a nerf, but a bug/glitch. from what i saw he wasnt even touched when the latest patch came out
Yep. Its broken and NRS doesnt care.
He's a good character for people who know how to read other players. The people who only use Cage and Smoke and cheese the same 50/50, super high damage, pop up combos with Sareena over and over again don't like him because he doesn't have anything like that .
Very cool video.
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I miss comboing into ice ball
His edits are so good and refreshing
7:47 that T-bag got me Lmao
Raiden player: hehe funny tebag
Lolhounds: I will be having none of that, prepare to be publicly humiliated
Funny how scorpion and sub zero only know one combo 😂I swear everyone does the same string haha
Only good ones they have...
Hey bro, I don't think he'll need more help since tremor will have crystalline immunity to protect you☠️
And so will everyone else
The only useable kameo is seerna so that don’t matter, she gives him better zoning and damage she’s the only choice for him to be playable
His videos are the only 1s that has meme voices 😂😂😂,it gets me every time I watch a vid,
Good shit bro
Finally, sub zero video. Smashing like
so glad you put the jev disappointed clip in there
his combos are so fucking cool and he is excellent overall, he just lacks some good damage tbh
it's a easily fixable thing
If he had good damage he would require skill, every thing he has can be punished
@@zackarius2744He does require skill even at his current state. You have to try harder to win with subzero, compared to the top 5 characters.
Always loses in the trailers against scorpion. It's just clear that nether realm has racism against blue people
I remember everyone played him qside with liu Kang when mk1 was a
Beta
1:25
Some people dont know that standing 2,1 damage scales a lot more than it should. It counts the hit as freezing the opponent, so it scales accordingly
Well that’s fucking stupid. As if he really needs more scaling
as an ex sub main (omni man now) BUFF MY BOY PLEASE GOD PLEASE
I'm glad I ain't the only one to go, "EY!" when my opponents taunt on the Fatality bit.
Players in mk11: nerf sub zero!
Players in Mk1: okay, you nerfed him too much nrs...
2:54 ICE CLONE IS OP. ;)
Love the Super Buu theme in that rematch.
The annoying thing about mortal kombat games is the move sets don’t carry over from game to game unlike street fighter or Tekken a character could be op in one game but be low tier in another one especially if there’s a character you like enough to main in every game
Mk11 Sub: God of mix-ups, high damage krushing blow, good zoner
Mk1 Sub: Help my punches are just scratching
That Faze Jev kameo though. Clearly a man of culture
You know is something wrong when Hounds write *Help* instead of *Buff*
They did Sub that weak to kill him and add Noob Saibot 😂
0:31 I actually gasped loud at this
Is that an Evil Buu Bruce Faulconer remix I hear in the background? The unsung musical god of DBZ.
Best MK vids on RUclips 🔥
Men your video's are always awesome.
i love bi-han it makes me so mad that they always do him so dirty
hey at least they look balanced and good when nitara and sz fight each other :D
That Jev kameo was absolutely necessary
I found this out the hard way ...
The DBZ clip at 1:10 was diabolical 😂
The ability to freeze 🥶
Nerf Sub zero pls💀
MK1 Raiden looks like a discount Kung Lao.
And even to this day my boy has nothing, he is just ass and NRS doesn’t care 😭
As a sub main, the tier list segment hurts me
As a Sub main in MK11 I'm glad I haven't picked up MK1 yet
,,Mind your place tomas" I almost died ´cause I laughed too hard 😂 really fun video omg 😅🤣 I love sub zero I hope he will get buffed soon 😍
Nah that Raiden cooked you fr 🤣
The brutality at the end of the video only works when the opponent is standing
7:21 i couldn’t stop laughing bro 😭
YOO FAZ JEV MADE IT HERE??
That sad Sub-Zero photo was one of Kuai Liang (whom in MK1 is Scorpion).
“All that for a drop of blood”
MK11: Grandmaster of the Lin Kuei
MK1: Racist Ninja with Ice Powers
had no IDEA i had to wait 5 seconds before ice clone would work again.. def cost me some rounds.... i thought my controller was just messed up lol
I mean, when your gimmick used to be literally immobilizing your opponent entirely, who didn’t expect him to be nerfed into the ground
buff sub zero please
Sub-zero's damage is something you think about later and you LAUGH!
I was not expecting jev to be in this video lmao
I play this character so much I came up with some cool combos but it seems like the more hits you put out the damage drops simple combos are the better ones to do
“If we win this my friend, you are going on RUclips”
Lolhounds safe on block
I wasn’t SURE but I was like I swear every string has a gap😭😭 it’s so crazy
A main character that's dookie fresh. I love ice characters too.
That last match was for all the sub-zero fans 🎉🎉🎉
Ya know this just makes me feel even more bad about myself cause i lose to him constantly
Liu kang did sub dirty in this timeline, he was nasty in 11 😭 his mix ups had people quitting.
0:47
“NO!” :(
I find this video hilarious when sub zero wins round 1 he plays ice ice baby during sub zero's animation 😂😂😂😂😂