Facing a 5x Overbet ALL-IN at $10-$20 NL

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  • Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2024

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  • @LiveKingPoker
    @LiveKingPoker Год назад +79

    I'm still in the tank sitting at Commerce...

    • @danweaver5787
      @danweaver5787 Год назад +2

      Sounds like villain had you pegged lol

    • @kevinb5436
      @kevinb5436 Год назад +1

      well done on the call. you sound to have a solid composure. i’ll give the channel a follow.

    • @sunchung4957
      @sunchung4957 Год назад +3

      He had 66 or 4 6 suited

    • @martinst-pierre6620
      @martinst-pierre6620 Год назад +1

      I won’t be calling the clock on you, it’s a big spot.

    • @samsaraa2001
      @samsaraa2001 Год назад +1

      I find it interesting that you guys are only 100 bbs deep. Did the game just start? Seems like a pro like this guy and yourself would be buying in deeper. Did he just get felted? Was he potentially steaming? Feels like a fold was the right call.

  • @user-jt2bf6ym1o
    @user-jt2bf6ym1o Год назад +13

    Flop check back is at least in equilibrium very much fine (about 50% of the time), as is calling turn and folding river. But the thing is, for this fold to be correct, hero has to check some even stronger hands on the flop (AA for example gets checked back a decent amount in equilibrium). If hero does not check back those hands, KTo has to defend more as it moves higher up in his range. Villain could definitely exploit check backs not being protected (which often is the case) and fold out everything with these barrels. You can check out how actions change by nodelocking.
    Balance is a tricky thing, especially live without a RNG to force your hand.

    • @andymoiser4611
      @andymoiser4611 Год назад

      5x is so big you could just call some AA and all TT, prob some 66 and 4x..just call turn and be good...if he potted it or used like 150% its prob a tougher decision, id prob just let him have it

    • @Stockhandle123
      @Stockhandle123 Год назад +1

      @@andymoiser4611 I go even further the next time I see check over bet over bet be a bluff will be the first time. I’m calling 4x + and folding the rest. I wouldn’t worry about being bluffed here because this line isn’t bluffed. Now if i see the villain do this often enough he that it’s possible he is working bluffs in ill revaluate but that’s just never been a thing in my experience.

  • @willnotelovitz6589
    @willnotelovitz6589 Год назад +16

    Glad to see a title that's not as click bait- I clicked this one specifically because of the better title lol

  • @hardflip8
    @hardflip8 Год назад +7

    Haven't seen the result but this feels like thick value to me. 10-20 is way above my level but it just seems like villain expects people to call way more often than they should

  • @3betmonkey
    @3betmonkey Год назад +44

    Nice to see a drop of the clickbait titles and a return to straightforward description of what we can expect to see in the video.
    Keep pumping out the quality content Bart.

    • @mrhumble2937
      @mrhumble2937 Год назад +7

      Who cares, you know what it is. Its a hand. Click bait is to get new viewers.

  • @ashypharaoh8407
    @ashypharaoh8407 Год назад +19

    FYI, Commerce is where Bart cut his teeth in poker

  • @MooseyFate
    @MooseyFate Год назад +4

    Your scouts are right. The Euros ruined the 2/5 scene in Dallas, namely at TCH. That they're nitty as fuck is bad enough, but the rampant, shameless bumhunting is worse.

  • @vidteacher
    @vidteacher Год назад +2

    Always enjoy Yale’s call ins and long time fan of the LiveKingPoker vlog…his commentary on the livestreams are always on point!

  • @nathantorian3005
    @nathantorian3005 Год назад +3

    Great hand, love a good one that gets Bart thinking or put into funny spots

  • @Kd4c
    @Kd4c Год назад +3

    About a month ago I played with a guy that overbet all bets and raises. It was a 13 with a $6 straddle there was one limper I raised to 25 there was a call he re-raised the 225. And that hand he had AA.
    But in the other hands he would always overbet when he had the range advantage.😮 If somebody three bet pre-flop, the board comes out 567 he would overbet the pot 2-3x forcing the pre-flop raiser who would most likely have a premium hand to either fold or call an overbet and then be faced with an even bigger over bet on the turn. The average stack at the table was about 5 to 600, he had 3,500 because he could take all the pots where the premium hands were not the board / range favorite.

    • @adr58
      @adr58 Год назад

      I had a guy do something similar, he would raise many hands and bet big often, he got stacked a couple times and instanly rebought like it was nothing, eventually both he and me had big stacks at the table about 1200 each on a 1-2 table. He opens the button, I 3-bet with QQ from SB, flop comes ten-high with 2 clubs, I check to see what he"s gonna do since he's aggro, he bets 400 into 120. I hated folding but even if he had the nut flush draw I had 60% equity and was dead against KK, AA or TT. I folded and he showed me A7 of clubs, rich fucker lol

  • @craigerc713
    @craigerc713 Год назад +2

    Ya...livekingpoker is definitely one of the better poker vlogers out there with his content and poker skills.

  • @bobsburgers8885
    @bobsburgers8885 Год назад +6

    This is a really interesting hand.
    Curious if Bart knew the details of the hand beforehand, or if he just knew from experience that once the flop was checked back a storm was coming.
    I'm probably calling but I'm not saying that's correct.

  • @davidculhane4388
    @davidculhane4388 Год назад

    Love the Poland springs water bottle! I'm from Mass as well, but reside in NH now.

  • @Otaldobeny
    @Otaldobeny Год назад +2

    This hand is so weird, but i guess if you check back flop it kind of plays itself, i dont think i can call this river bet ever with just a pair

    • @Otaldobeny
      @Otaldobeny Год назад

      Do we really have better hands than this though? We could just be getting omega exploited... i guess the answer is dont check back flop in this spot very often if ever, specially against good capable players

  • @Jimmy_James79
    @Jimmy_James79 Год назад

    Betting the flop in that position will give you a little more info based off the big blinds decision....rather than a check. Most of the time when I slow play I seem to get less value in the long run.

  • @kineahora8736
    @kineahora8736 Год назад +4

    Hi live king. I like your vlogs.
    Im gonna cbet this situation to 70% pot. Most of your value hands are vulnerable on a T high flop. And the 43 is pretty decent for BB, so large size makes most sense…
    There aren’t too many runouts that are gonna make you happy, but I think 6-4 certainly isn’t a favorite. 5x pot. Ouch. Obviously your best pure bluff -catchers are gonna be 55, 65s, and A5s, preferably sans clubs. Can’t say this is one of them. Uggh. I fold. I think with 5x pot bets you don’t have to call very often.

  • @georgewbushcenterforintell147
    @georgewbushcenterforintell147 Год назад +1

    I don't play the big poker games but all the casinos i go to the high stakes action is never going on as much as before COVID. Gardens casino closed its high stakes area commerce changed it up . Even in Vegas the games dont look as deep . Overall i think that the economy is starting to affect the poker world.

  • @Pops1020
    @Pops1020 Год назад +1

    You said u would bet the flop if you had JJ well K 10 is almost the same on that flop so why did u check the flop?

  • @danjones7561
    @danjones7561 Год назад

    I would say, either a flopped set turning into a full, or a pocket JJ, or 77 (missed straight on the river).

  • @bhedger3021
    @bhedger3021 Год назад

    hero can have 66/A4 here, so don't have to call down too much wider vs this size. overpairs and Tx are pretty much the same here anyway (maybe blocking T4s is slightly more helpful where possible, I'd probably call down with the Td in this hand and fold all other Tx), the hands that would make the most sense to bluff are K5/Q5/J5s with no clubs and is repping boats and straights probably otherwise

  • @mrhumble2937
    @mrhumble2937 Год назад +1

    Not at end but he has it. Just trying to get max value, makes no sense to bluff and risk all that bluffing.

  • @snowboardinglegend
    @snowboardinglegend Год назад

    Hero says he was planning to call 2x overbet on the river but now the price is wildly different, but its actually not.. you need 40% equity to call 2x overbet on river... if he bets 4x on river you still only need 45% equity....

  • @DescartesRenegade
    @DescartesRenegade Год назад

    If the villains sizing throughout the session was more reasonable and typical, then go back to the turn. The overbet on the turn looks like a large draw as opposed to a protection bet with a 4. It looked more like a Q5cc/K5cc type of bet. I'd have tank-called due to the turn bet.

  • @leoyuan3f
    @leoyuan3f Год назад

    LOL Bart's expression at 8:25 :D

  • @iphonelover4610
    @iphonelover4610 Год назад +2

    Seems unnessecary to bluff catch this hand when hero still has 4 x and pocket 66

  • @joshmullins4849
    @joshmullins4849 Год назад +1

    I think fold is just right here. I’m not totally sure that exclusively just 66, TT, 4x isn’t enough of a call range vs this size. Maybe we can have 57s also at some frequency?
    I’d guess in theory that maybe we have to mix call with this hand occasionally to have enough defends but I’d bet pretty heavily that the solver calls this less than 50%. Maybe like 20-25 seems more likely.

    • @BaadMotorFinger
      @BaadMotorFinger Год назад

      I would agree with your analysis. Maybe save the 10x calls for combos without a club or an ace for unblocking bluffs

    • @Otaldobeny
      @Otaldobeny Год назад

      This is a legit question why would the solver call anything close to 50% here? Isnt it more like 10% or smth? Since its such a huge overbet

    • @joshmullins4849
      @joshmullins4849 Год назад +1

      @@Otaldobeny If it’s truly a 5x over bet our MDF is 16.7%. But that’s for our whole range. I was talking about with this specific hand. We’d need to rng and call it some percentage. This is clearly a better calling hand than a lot of hands we might have in our range but also worse than our nutted hands. I was just guessing that we’d need to call this 20-25% of time to get our full range close to the 16.7. Haven’t actually run it to be clear.

  • @sQuaTsiFieD
    @sQuaTsiFieD Год назад

    Loved the podcast with Vertucci you had Bart

  • @justme-ti1rh
    @justme-ti1rh Год назад

    I never heard of you until today.
    The most important question is how much to you have to reload with.

  • @WeissAdvice
    @WeissAdvice Год назад

    gotta have about fifty fifty to call, why not just try to range divide? too unpredictable how much air is in villains range?

  • @rez2576
    @rez2576 Год назад

    If opponent has show massive over bets wtih bluffs this hand is a must call. Hero's hand is underlapped and it seems like he wants hero to fold by overbetting turn when hero looks weak. If this is a villain I dont have much info on I'm folding because most players aren't balanced at all with oversets

  • @Chicoman83
    @Chicoman83 Год назад

    Great hand. I'm leaning fold. Not saying as villain I'd over bet the turn with a set of 3s but definitely checking the flop but I may lead turn to avoid it checking through again with the backdoor draw coming in.
    I'll gladly jam river when I know he's on the hook calling a turn over bet...

  • @johns783
    @johns783 Год назад

    I've got a strong feeling he had 34hh or something and was hoping to get a hero call, assuming it's a value bet. if he'd done that before he may have hoped for a 10 w bad kicker/overpair or if lucky 75 to call him down.

  • @timmyp34
    @timmyp34 Год назад +5

    I would have to fold. I don't have the nerve. Not with just a pair.

    • @timmyp34
      @timmyp34 Год назад

      @Phat Pat Fitness I am pretty sure it would be exploitable against me, any huge river jam if I don't have a nut flush or boat, and I fold like superman on laundry day. Which is why I rarely play, and never for several hours where my tendencies become clear.

  • @justmusic2353
    @justmusic2353 Год назад +1

    I would rather bluff catch here with a hand like red 55 blocking a lot of the straights and trips that he could have 75s 52s 45s. Specially the red 55 since the only 54s combos left are diamonds and hearts.

  • @Dylan-vm4gl
    @Dylan-vm4gl Год назад

    I’d like to have 55 to call then 65. TX just blocks a few combos of 4s. A 5 blocks 54o and maybe even 75o (certainly suited)

  • @EllieBanks333
    @EllieBanks333 Год назад

    I wonder if villain would have gone off if hero had bet flop. Who knows right?

  • @noThankyou-g5c
    @noThankyou-g5c Год назад +1

    I had a hand recently with aces in 5NL. I 3bet hj open 3x (for 6bb. I know thats small but ppl overfold 3bets and i foolishly wanted to see a flop) in the button.
    flop came 54Jtt i cbet 50% call.
    turn comes T(no flush draw or bdfd)
    i cbet 70% pot. villain than shoves 5x pot.
    this is 5nl and villain did this same move at least 3 other times in the 20 minutes id been playing. I felt like he had to be overplaying or was full of it so I called but he just binked JT. I ended up cracking aces with my JT vs an all-in shove on the turn later that night so it worked out but I’m not really sure what the adjustment is for weird huge overbets in soft games. idk if that was an obvious fold or a winning call that was unlucky.
    Anybody have any advice?

  • @chevelle1
    @chevelle1 Год назад

    You have a well disguised top pair with K kicker, on a dry board. Call. I think this is a good example of overthinking the game, giving your opponent way too much credit. Of course, we weren’t in that seat and there’s a lot of nuances to a live poker hand that can’t be described.
    Also, the higher stakes doesn’t always mean better players. Watch some of the live streams of high stakes and alot of those players are making horrible plays, alot.

  • @martindim7182
    @martindim7182 Год назад

    12:11 u gotta defend with 15-20 percent of hands, can someone explain the math that Bart is talking about? Thx

  • @honingbiet
    @honingbiet Год назад

    This seems like a very easy fold. Villain is not overbetting 2-2.5 times but 5x pot. We have enough better hands we end up with we can call (66, 45ss, A4, 64ss, maybe even TT/33/44 if we think villain just unloads in these spots, which caller indicates to have seen before). I'm not sure we call A4 here 100% even.

  • @elindauer
    @elindauer Год назад +2

    I suspect you're getting hugely exploited here. After TT, and I suppose 64s, KT is probably our best call. And how many combos of misses do we have for a hijack open?! AK AQ AJ AT A9?! A8?! KQ KJ KT K9s... QJ QT Q9s... JT T9?! then a bunch of suited connectors as well... I mean the list goes on and on of combos that won't be willing to get it all in. We unblock A5 and A2 too so arguably even better than AT to hold. I don't think the Tc matters personally, because Tx cc makes little sense for this size. 5x pot doesn't really make sense for even trip 4s, because many players are going to fold everything but trapped monsters which beat trips. Perhaps the solver does it to hammer overpairs, but in real world poker those just get folded a lot. Maybe A4 does this hoping to get called by a worse 4. But generally the sizing makes little sense for value as there is no nut advantage here. Yes, it takes a special kind of player to actually make this exploit and consistently jam 2k chasing $110 pot on the turn while really picking their spots. But from this player description it sounds like this is exactly the opponent that may be doing it, and I'd guess these kinds of exploits are why this guy is making money in a $10/$20 game. Maybe I fold too, it's hard to put so much money in with one pair. But then that's exactly the point isn't it. The strategy of attacking capped ranges to crush those nitty players in the $2 / $5 game seems like just the move that vaults a tough player up to this level. Next level you need to actually structure the overbets instead of firing whole range!

    • @AT-bw4cm
      @AT-bw4cm Год назад +1

      Hugely exploited is a bit of an overreach. After 25 hours he's seen this massive overbet once. You make a good point though. Villain would need hero to fold at least 82% of the time to make this profitable which is probably the case if villain makes this play very sparingly.

  • @danielmanahan692
    @danielmanahan692 Год назад

    They moved the VIP games to the Cal side recently

  • @kirasbhsurf
    @kirasbhsurf Год назад

    I had the exact same spot couple of days ago ( different stakes but same ratio of betting size and more or less the same board, I ended up calling because of the profile of the player, he showed A5c ( mine was different suit but same idea )

  • @justinp2149
    @justinp2149 Год назад

    My preflop charts tell me that KTo is a FOLD from the Hijack. And what to make of these $50 opening raises I see all the time in 10/20, surely they can't be optimal?

    • @martinst-pierre6620
      @martinst-pierre6620 Год назад +1

      KTo is a pure open from the HJ for 2.25x at 100bb and 200bb in raked two blinds games according to Petrangelo’s solved solutions. It’s a heavy mix from the LJ. If you were to open 3x or 4x then KTo would likely become a fold if everyone behind you played optimally. That’s what the theory suggests, adjust as you see fit. I personally open KTo at 100% from the HJ in my loose 1/3 games and it performs well.

  • @moneymikz
    @moneymikz Год назад +1

    Why is everyone saying fold? He has a ton of queen 10 Jack 10 99 and his range, he doesn’t have A10, JJ or better maybe a small set but this is not a fold to me

  • @pot_kivach160
    @pot_kivach160 Год назад

    7:20 why calling here? What's the purpose of this turn call?

    • @VSkye-oi6nx
      @VSkye-oi6nx Год назад

      Caller/Hero is awful. There is no purpose.

  • @chelseafanfromasia
    @chelseafanfromasia 8 месяцев назад

    I think this is a fold. hero getting terrible odds to call, and is k10 really the best 10 or 15% hand that hero could have at this spot? Hero could have overpairs that check to induce/pot control, maybe trip 4s like 45s, boat like 46s or pocket 6s, or even slow playing top set like 10s.

  • @davidculhane4388
    @davidculhane4388 Год назад

    I'm only half way through the video and I am leaning towards a snap-fold. I just do not think we are good here anywhere close to 50% of the time even against a wild LAG player. I see the villan holding 54 or better too often. There are cheaper spots to call down in hold em.

  • @gregoryfoster8179
    @gregoryfoster8179 Год назад

    If you can't beat what the opp is repping, is always better to let it go.

  • @trias418
    @trias418 Год назад

    These overbets are too frequently a turned twopair/set, rivered full house. I'd rather have A6 to call here than a 10 crazy enough. (Assuming villain doesnt call with 10 4, 10 3, or 10 6 pre)

  • @IaanFamily
    @IaanFamily Год назад

    A2 56 10x this is a sure CALL...hero has 2pair K kicker. Guy wouldn't go all in 5x pot if he had worthy value....CALL all day long!

  • @stuartmacguire4914
    @stuartmacguire4914 Год назад

    If he was bluffing, what hands did he think he could fold out for $1950 that he couldn't fold out for $950?

    • @DeluviumOfficial
      @DeluviumOfficial Год назад +1

      I think the hero would have called for $950 at a much higher frequency

    • @elindauer
      @elindauer Год назад

      Overpairs.

  • @jack42011
    @jack42011 Год назад

    as played, I am calling

  • @kevinb5436
    @kevinb5436 Год назад +1

    good call. good caller.

  • @joevince6066
    @joevince6066 3 месяца назад

    Solver likes unblocking the ace with our king

  • @Jonah_Lopas
    @Jonah_Lopas Год назад

    Super weird spot but I would slightly lean fold. Don't think villian is turning 63s, 65s, or 55 into a bluff bc those have a little showdown. Only natural bluffs seem to be A5 and 78s? For value villain should have 2 combos 64s, 3 combos 33, 3 combos 66, 4 combos 57s, 1 combo 44, maybe T4s? Sucks to fold here but we'd rather call with A6s or something blocking value. KT does seem slightly better than overpairs but you have to be right here like 45% of the time which we probably aren't.

  • @Laf-Adventures
    @Laf-Adventures Год назад

    Interesting hand sure, but I don’t like this kind of video where we’re left wondering what the correct move was on the river. Kind of feels like a waste of time to listen to this whole call when he should have just taken it down on the flop or been check raised by 34h and been over.

  • @ryurazu
    @ryurazu Год назад

    hahah is the villain Emmanuel?

    • @ryurazu
      @ryurazu Год назад

      Australian aren't Austrian pro, there is a difference.

  • @hansari8697
    @hansari8697 Год назад

    KT>AA here imo unless you think bb 3bets TT pure from the bb. Tc is irrelevant bc he is never bluffing w top pair.

  • @rppoker8541
    @rppoker8541 Год назад +1

    If he really wants to know it was 3/5 clubs. I was trying to get any 10 to fold

    • @GokuTheSuperSaiyan1
      @GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 Год назад

      Who are you?

    • @rppoker8541
      @rppoker8541 Год назад

      @@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 the other man in the hand

    • @rppoker8541
      @rppoker8541 Год назад

      @@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 you didn’t understand?

    • @GokuTheSuperSaiyan1
      @GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 Год назад

      I don't believe you on the basis of probability

    • @rppoker8541
      @rppoker8541 Год назад

      @@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 while I will tell you that I really don’t care what you think that’s what it was

  • @aaronli1240
    @aaronli1240 Год назад

    I think the caller is a more advanced player than Bart

  • @ProfessionalFixologist
    @ProfessionalFixologist Год назад

    I think it's likely the Villain has 64 suited or pocket 66s. Both make sense for the Villain calling pre-flop, checking flop, suddenly betting big on the turn and jamming river.

    • @fireinfireout
      @fireinfireout Год назад

      He didn't raise the turn, he bet.

    • @mrhumble2937
      @mrhumble2937 Год назад

      Agree he def had it. No reason to jam if not.

    • @robertluna3952
      @robertluna3952 Год назад

      totally agree with pro fix, villan has pocket sixes and putting hero on ace ten clubs

  • @daithi1966
    @daithi1966 Год назад

    Good hand. I probably would have folded too.

  • @bosgamingleague7392
    @bosgamingleague7392 Год назад

    Snap call

  • @alextjock6655
    @alextjock6655 Год назад

    Not played this high stakes but seems that hero calling turn kinda tells villain he has min top pair? This seems like easy fold.
    I got the feeling the hero never bet flop cos he expects c/r.
    How big does yer poker bank have to be to call off 1800 here?

  • @anilyzerr
    @anilyzerr 7 месяцев назад

    good

  • @pot_kivach160
    @pot_kivach160 Год назад

    4:27 _i'd put him in a better caliber of a traveling professional_

  • @Mauricio-kf8qx
    @Mauricio-kf8qx Год назад

    He had 10 6 I think and wanted the max from a 10

  • @jaketaylor3129
    @jaketaylor3129 Год назад

    66?

  • @KingKoin88
    @KingKoin88 Год назад

    He missed a semi bluffing back door draw. Just call man.

  • @sethno1ram1
    @sethno1ram1 Год назад

    I'm saying he's got pocket 4s

  • @bmoresavage5037
    @bmoresavage5037 8 месяцев назад +1

    Wasted time of even listing to this one

  • @justinsane7128
    @justinsane7128 Год назад

    66 fold

  • @johnmar6376
    @johnmar6376 Год назад

    I would've never slow-played the flop.1) I want to build the pot 2) I want to find out more about his hand

  • @kemillionaire2
    @kemillionaire2 Год назад +1

    Easy fold. Find a better spot to get paid.

  • @quinn9240
    @quinn9240 Год назад

    flop is a mix. Wtf is he talking about?

  • @herts9999
    @herts9999 Год назад

    Feels like 33

  • @aaronbaertsch9269
    @aaronbaertsch9269 Год назад

    9 handed ✋️ 😢

  • @sr4087
    @sr4087 Год назад

    #RoadTo100

  • @rppoker4768
    @rppoker4768 Год назад

    Pay for training 😂

  • @GWrench9
    @GWrench9 Год назад

    10 of cwubs 😂

  • @MrStevie57
    @MrStevie57 Год назад

    Obviously bluffing with 2 clubs.

  • @actuallynotsteve
    @actuallynotsteve Год назад

    Bad player with 55 maybe?

  • @youtubelife9248
    @youtubelife9248 8 месяцев назад

    Waste of time. These guys calling in with no reveal and no call