I agree with most of this, but you're wrong about stress. Yes, stress will slow the process down, but if you don't have stress during the process of learning you're not going to have experience using the language when stressed in the real world. Or, in other words, I wouldn't avoid something just because it's stressful, I'd consider how stressful it is and how they're going about it. Countdown timers can be fair game, but only if the time is fair. In the real world, you're going to have to deal with the time crunch, even if it is a bit less obvious.
what worked best for me: 1- duolingo 2- children's videos and cartoons 3- wikipedia articles on subjects that interest you (e.g.: pizza, bacon, ice cream etc) 4- assimilate patterns first, learn grammar rules later. 5- snes games in your target language 6- write whatever you can, always. change some words to suit the context 7- never be afraid of looking silly 8- talk to your cat or pet. 9- if you're struggling to understand the gist of what's been said on a video, pick something easier to listen to. 10- concentrate on sentences, short phrases and expressions rather than individual words.
While I hate a lot of the apps you allude to here, I disagree that "useless phrases" are a problem. You're not trying to memorize phrases you're trying to acquire grammar rules. Odd phrases stick out better to your brain so you can recall them better when trying to think of a grammar point you learned but haven't internalized yet. While studying in university I would make up my own ridiculous example sentences for just that very reason.
Hi! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. True, thinking about crazy scenarios is a great technique for remembering words! For example, to help you memorize the German word for duck, "Ente," you could picture a duck *entering* your house. But why not kill two birds (no pun intended) with one stone: passively learn grammar rules like you rightly explained, but with sentences you can actually use? There's no sense cluttering up your brain (although coming up with your own sentences, even ones that don't make much sense, is also a good exercise). We think it's most energy efficient to spend time memorizing grammatically correct sentences that you can put to use right away in conversation. ABBE
Odd phrases don't stick out any more than meaningful and useful ones do. Most of the Chinese I learned was where I cracked a phrase book for useful sentences, modified them for what I wanted to do and hoped that it all worked out. For the most part, it did work out for every day living. With useless phrases like "The cat wears shoes" I wouldn't even have one situation where that might be helpful whereas with learning a useful phrase you get one freebie and you see words that belong near each other together. Shoes don't usually belong near animals with a few notable exceptions.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade memorizing phrases is still a less efficient method than trying to acquire the grammar embedded in the sentence. The point isn't too memorize the useless phrase. But having an laugh at it could help you to remember it accidentally where as boring "normal" sentences are less likely to stick on the first time. If you're wanting to memorize phrases, yeah, memorize useful ones, but the time you spent memorizing those phrase could be better used getting more and more input that entertains you that will probably stick better. These are not meant to be memorized, but maybe you'll remember them because they're silly. It's not a phrase book. It's compréhensible input.
Don't use useless phrases... Use silly phrases as they will stick. For instance to learn the imperfect subjunctive in French conjugating the verb Peter 'to fart‹ sticks in the mind as it starts with 'je petasse'... Petasse being a slang word for a very annoying girl. 'The cat wears shoes is a useless phrase , the elephant wears hot pants is a silly phrase and will be easier to remember. You could call it the Monty Python school of memorisation. Other phrases stick for all sorts of reasons. La plume de ma tante est.sur.le bureau de.mon oncle was the first phrase in my French text book. Now treated with ridicule this short sentence demonstrates many of the fundamentals of French grammar. 60 years later I have not forgotten it.
This! If you like to play games, play games in the language of your choice. You'll learn some things. But the game shouldn't be your main source of learning. Thanks for your comment! ABBE
Thanks for posting. So much common sense in this video. I think fun and easy are so over used. it's not always going to be fun and it is not always going to be easy, but as long as you are really learning and making progress; tha is the important thing..
Play is so important and can really help not only to have more motivation, but it makes learning MORE efficient and the things you learn by playing and having fun, are more likely to stick in your long-term memory. There is more and more research in this sense and even many teachers and schools are updating their methods.
You're absolutely right. We have no issues with play, but we do have issues with wasting time with language-learning techniques that simply mean taking much more time to get to the students' goals. For example, most children don't really have any reason to learn a language quickly, so it might be fine to let them learn a language the slow way. This way, they'll associate the language with something they enjoy and some of them will actually become fluent in the language. If you're like most adults, though, you don't want to spend a lot of time learning a language. You simply don't have the time for that! And that's what this video is about. 🙂 Have a nice weekend! ABBE
@@mosalingua My point is that play is much more than just fun, that's only one of the benefits, it is not only about making the learning process more enjoyable. It also helps a lot with memory, because you are most likely to remember what you enjoy and what interests you. That includes music, stories, comedy and so on. Separating learning and fun is a very bad idea. You can have both and still don't waste any time, because you would do things that you enjoy anyways. It's a win-win situation, the best methods are the ones you actually use and can use long-term and become part in your daily life. Sure, adults normally need to learn more quickly than children (unless it's a hobby but well, we are the minority here...). But have much less motivation because they aren't surrounded exclusively by people who speak that one language. They need to find the time to dedicate to learning and the more exposure to the language the better. Through playful methods you can do that much more easily, because it's "lighter" and you can do more and do it consistently. The weird sentences you encounter in Duolingo are not meant to be learned and used as they are. They just show you words in a funny context to help remember them. Not only you remember the words but also the sentence structure and grammar and you will then be able to build your own (more useful) sentences. It's also not a method that can be used alone, it works best combined with other things (where you can practice what you learned) and it doesnt really waste any time because you can use it anywhere, for a few minutes which probably you would have instead used on social media. It also doesn't drain your mental energy but rather helps you to keep enjoying the language daily. But this is not just about Duolingo, it counts for any method or app that is made to be entertaining. There's a lot of value in that, but of course everyone chooses what they prefer. It's a long topic, I just wanted to answer though not sure it changes anything, it seems we have very different views. I also wish you a nice weekend!
i think the too easy activities aren't a problem IF that's step one of many for you. if you're using the app in conjunction with other methods, learning that dog is perro from a very easy multiple choice question enables you to recognize the word perro in a children's picture book and understand what it means. the fact of the matter is no single app is ever going to get you to fluency and the usefulness of an app completely depends on what you're doing outside of the app
Hi Abbe, I'm learning English all days.. every day listen, listen and listen any video that i find in you tube. I don't need to place videos with subtitle because i understand the dialogues and conversations.. but my problem right now is when i have to speak and practique my english.. I hope to solve this problem. For other way your speak is very clearly and perfect!! see you soon alligator!!
Hi Gabriel, You're at that point where you have to practice speaking. You can easily do this online. Here are a some of our articles to get you started: www.mosalingua.com/en/the-seven-golden-rules-for-studying-with-a-language-partner/ www.mosalingua.com/en/linguistic-exchanges/ www.mosalingua.com/en/the-seven-golden-rules-for-studying-with-a-language-partner/ I hope this helps! ABBE
Hi! I agree with almost everything that has been said, excepted one point : cats wear shoes, cows wear purple skirts... Why not ? Absurd sentences are fun Indeed (even if it seems that this word is unappreciated), but somehow they Can help people to memorize words or grammar, I think it depends on how each one's memory works. To me, I do remember absurd examples because they are absurd, that's the point.
Hi there, I think that this can be good for mnemonics. You can use anything which is emotionally charged, not just fun. For example, if you're having trouble remembering the verb to steal in Spanish, you could make up a small story: “You are just leaving the bar after a night out with your friends when, suddenly, a robber comes out of nowhere and steals your wallet!” You phone the police and say: “I was just robbed outside the bar!” So, to steal = robar. So we agree there completely, but not with actually learning with these nonsense sentences. When were you able to use these sentences you've memorized? You should preferably memorize useful sentences you can use at any time, and use fun stories in case you can't remember a word. I hope it clarifies our point 🙂 ABBE
While I agree that it can become too easy, I also think that exercises can be too hard - when people can't solve them or are feeling miserable, and when they take so long that they are inefficient. The best is a balance. I am also tired of learning irrelevant words. I might need the words for 'toilet', 'phone' and 'camera', but I'm not planning to say 'elephant' or 'uncle' anytime soon.
Hi there, You're absolutely right! You should definitely be able to choose whatever words you want to learn. You do have this choice on our app, but, unfortunately, most language-learning apps don't have this option... Enjoy your weekend! ABBE
I have a frustrating experience. Not knowing where to begin or hitting a plateau can feel demoralizing and make it hard to hit the books and study like you know you should…Having friends from other cultures makes me more creative. In fresh ways about space and how people create their own world and environment. It is best way to connect between creative thinking and cross-cultural relationships.
Hi Sakura, Those are certainly frustrating issues, and I can assure you that you are not alone! Also, thanks for the great tip for our viewers. We highly recommend that language learners incorporate the conversation partner/language tandem model into their studies because it benefits learners in so many ways. But we sometimes forget to mention that this type of practice doesn't just help with your practical skills! As you said, talking to someone from a different culture also can motivate you, promote creativity, and encourage you to think differently about the world around you. Plus, real friendships can develop! Thanks for watching! ABBE
O grande problema desse curso é que desde que o iniciei tenho dificuldade em entender a sua operacionalidade. São muitas opções para serem aplicadas sem que se tenha uma orientação de como fazê-las. Indaguei a vocês qual a vigência do meu contrato, pois não tenho pretensões de renova-lo. Praticamente não acesso as aplicações do curso por achá-las complicadas. Concordo que existe uma enxurrada de cursos que talvez não sejam eficientes para o aprendizado, mas que se consegue produzir pela descomplicação de sua operação. É isso. Na realidade, já cheguei a triste conclusão que só se consegue ser fluente no inglês se houver um contato diário com a língua e quem sabe com nativos. No mais, é tentar enganar-se.
Olá, Gilson, Agradecemos pelo seu comentário. Se você eventualmente tiver alguma dificuldade com qualquer de nossos cursos/apps, perceba que todos eles têm um botão "Ajuda" com instruções sobre o uso. Além disso, nosso serviço de suporte está sempre à disposição de nossos usuários. Basta enviar um e-mail para support_pt@mosalingua.com ou escrever uma mensagem em qualquer das páginas dos nossos cursos online. ABBE
je suis entierement d'accord avec vous. On est un peu perdu devant ce flot d'applications J aurai préféré etre guidé pas a pas. Mais la on doit s'organiser soi meme. Sinon cette methode est pas mal.
Hi there! We have an article regarding this. You can find it here: www.mosalingua.com/en/comparing-duolingo-mosalingua-best-app-learn-language/ Hope it helps! ABBE
I kind of don't agree... As a mature adult 38 used at lot of these fun apps to learn Spanish. Speak Spanish fluently now. Really helped me get a foot into the language. Thanks especially to Duolingo. Is awesome for Spanish. The others helped too. Never had a formal difficult lesson of Spanish in my life.
Hey James, Thanks for watching and for your comment. That just goes to show that everyone learns differently. 😊 I'm glad you've found an approach that works for you. It's really inspiring that you've learned Spanish all on your own! Happy learning! ABBE
@@mosalingua Learning Chinese now. The Chineasy app is really good. They will not teach a language, in that you will become a speaker of your, say, duolingo language without talking to native speakers, but imo they do help, maybe even a lot.
"Learning is not a game" and often is not fun. If you learn languages "for fun", you are doomed to a big disappointment. The same is true for almost any subject worth studying, from computer programming to mathematics to medicine.
Just no. There's a whole generation of zoomers these days who learned English to a decent level purely by playing games with their peers in English. Through nothing but fun. I know a few people like this. Before that, there were generations of people who learned English solely by watching shows with subtitles. I know quite a few who achieved remarkable levels of competence this way. These days, there's growing evidence of the efficiency of methods that are based exclusively on comprehensive input such as story-based learning through graded readers. Fully passive immersion through reading books you like at a level where you understand everything new from the context and internalize it by means of calculated repetitions. Not to mention that even the good old communicative method, when done right, is extremely fun in a group setting. Are all these methods the fastest? Maybe not. But they work (and for some of them there's enough research to prove it with hard data; often they work *at least* as good as traditional drill-based methods when put to the test). In fact, I'd say you can learn anything by perseverance, but when it's made fun you learn so much faster.
Attacking other language learning apps for your benefit is unprofessional. No app meets everybody's needs nor does it address all skills needed to learn everything. I had more success with Duolingo than mosalingua. Duolingo is great for learning how to write. Mosalingua is too passive in my opinion
Hi there, thanks for sharing your opinion. We agree that no app can meets everybody's needs, and we aren't arguing that ours does. Our goal with this video was not to attack anyone - we aren't naming any names and we didn't use a clickbait title to call anyone out or get more views - our goal was to tell our community that we truly think some methods and features are ineffective, and to explain some of the reasoning behind why our apps are they way they are. There are many apps and language courses out there that we love and we even promote them on our blog, for no reason (i.e. financial) other than that we think they could help our users. If you have found something that works for you, and it happens to be Duolingo, we are happy for you! By the way, I think this is the very first time someone has said that MosaLingua is too passive; to be honest, sometimes our users say the opposite, that it takes a lot of effort! Again, we know that MosaLingua isn't for everyone, and we respect your opinion. Take care, ABBE
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Just because somebody isn't fluent doesn't mean that they don't know the language well enough for their purpose. If all you want out of the language is the ability to operate in a limited context, then those sorts of apps might be OK. Personally, when I use apps to learn language, it's working with real sentences and learning as many of the words in the sentence as I don't know and moving through that. I also try hard to get real exposure wherever possible to serve as a reality check on what I'm really learning. Real conversations and interactions are the only tests that really matter. Did I say something and get the response I was expecting, or not so much?
Hi there!
I hope you have enjoyed our video! If you have any questions, feel free to add a comment. We'll be happy to help!
ABBE
I am looking for an app that helps me learn a minimum of four thousand words of German vocabulary using linking and pictures. Do you have such an app?
I agree with most of this, but you're wrong about stress. Yes, stress will slow the process down, but if you don't have stress during the process of learning you're not going to have experience using the language when stressed in the real world.
Or, in other words, I wouldn't avoid something just because it's stressful, I'd consider how stressful it is and how they're going about it. Countdown timers can be fair game, but only if the time is fair. In the real world, you're going to have to deal with the time crunch, even if it is a bit less obvious.
I agree with some points in this video, however acquiring a language can be extremely fun, and extremely effective at the same time.
anime fpp is always right
@@markganus1085 Sarcasm?
@@Reforming_LL merry christmas to you and yours, acro
@@markganus1085 uh okay, merry Christmas
what worked best for me:
1- duolingo
2- children's videos and cartoons
3- wikipedia articles on subjects that interest you (e.g.: pizza, bacon, ice cream etc)
4- assimilate patterns first, learn grammar rules later.
5- snes games in your target language
6- write whatever you can, always. change some words to suit the context
7- never be afraid of looking silly
8- talk to your cat or pet.
9- if you're struggling to understand the gist of what's been said on a video, pick something easier to listen to.
10- concentrate on sentences, short phrases and expressions rather than individual words.
8- One of these days my parakeets are going to randomly start speaking German lol
8- Talking to my dog in Arabic, that should be unironically fun. ;)
ew duolingo
@Jordan Hogannice try, duo lingo's CEO
@@MedievalFantasyTV That must be awkward since "dog" in Arabic is an insult lol.
While I hate a lot of the apps you allude to here, I disagree that "useless phrases" are a problem. You're not trying to memorize phrases you're trying to acquire grammar rules. Odd phrases stick out better to your brain so you can recall them better when trying to think of a grammar point you learned but haven't internalized yet. While studying in university I would make up my own ridiculous example sentences for just that very reason.
Hi!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. True, thinking about crazy scenarios is a great technique for remembering words! For example, to help you memorize the German word for duck, "Ente," you could picture a duck *entering* your house.
But why not kill two birds (no pun intended) with one stone: passively learn grammar rules like you rightly explained, but with sentences you can actually use? There's no sense cluttering up your brain (although coming up with your own sentences, even ones that don't make much sense, is also a good exercise). We think it's most energy efficient to spend time memorizing grammatically correct sentences that you can put to use right away in conversation.
ABBE
Odd phrases don't stick out any more than meaningful and useful ones do. Most of the Chinese I learned was where I cracked a phrase book for useful sentences, modified them for what I wanted to do and hoped that it all worked out. For the most part, it did work out for every day living.
With useless phrases like "The cat wears shoes" I wouldn't even have one situation where that might be helpful whereas with learning a useful phrase you get one freebie and you see words that belong near each other together. Shoes don't usually belong near animals with a few notable exceptions.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade memorizing phrases is still a less efficient method than trying to acquire the grammar embedded in the sentence.
The point isn't too memorize the useless phrase. But having an laugh at it could help you to remember it accidentally where as boring "normal" sentences are less likely to stick on the first time.
If you're wanting to memorize phrases, yeah, memorize useful ones, but the time you spent memorizing those phrase could be better used getting more and more input that entertains you that will probably stick better.
These are not meant to be memorized, but maybe you'll remember them because they're silly. It's not a phrase book. It's compréhensible input.
Don't use useless phrases... Use silly phrases as they will stick. For instance to learn the imperfect subjunctive in French conjugating the verb Peter 'to fart‹ sticks in the mind as it starts with 'je petasse'... Petasse being a slang word for a very annoying girl.
'The cat wears shoes is a useless phrase , the elephant wears hot pants is a silly phrase and will be easier to remember. You could call it the Monty Python school of memorisation.
Other phrases stick for all sorts of reasons. La plume de ma tante est.sur.le bureau de.mon oncle was the first phrase in my French text book. Now treated with ridicule this short sentence demonstrates many of the fundamentals of French grammar. 60 years later I have not forgotten it.
Remembers GMS by Glossika **
"Learning is not a game" I couldn't agree more. I think content is key and we need to use engaging content in order to want to spend time studying 🎓
This! If you like to play games, play games in the language of your choice. You'll learn some things.
But the game shouldn't be your main source of learning.
Thanks for your comment!
ABBE
Thanks for posting. So much common sense in this video. I think fun and easy are so over used. it's not always going to be fun and it is not always going to be easy, but as long as you are really learning and making progress; tha is the important thing..
She's talking about duolingo lol
Je suis une pomme
And Rosetta Stone.
Mai 2021, the green owl offered my this: Barna hennes er ulver - Her children are wolves.
@@Rosi_in_space how is going your Norwegian course? I am learning it too and it's amazing
trois chèvres voient un pont
I'm trying to listen to the video without translation and I think I still have a lot of progress to make.I like Mosalingua and you too
Play is so important and can really help not only to have more motivation, but it makes learning MORE efficient and the things you learn by playing and having fun, are more likely to stick in your long-term memory. There is more and more research in this sense and even many teachers and schools are updating their methods.
You're absolutely right.
We have no issues with play, but we do have issues with wasting time with language-learning techniques that simply mean taking much more time to get to the students' goals.
For example, most children don't really have any reason to learn a language quickly, so it might be fine to let them learn a language the slow way. This way, they'll associate the language with something they enjoy and some of them will actually become fluent in the language.
If you're like most adults, though, you don't want to spend a lot of time learning a language. You simply don't have the time for that!
And that's what this video is about. 🙂
Have a nice weekend!
ABBE
@@mosalingua My point is that play is much more than just fun, that's only one of the benefits, it is not only about making the learning process more enjoyable. It also helps a lot with memory, because you are most likely to remember what you enjoy and what interests you. That includes music, stories, comedy and so on. Separating learning and fun is a very bad idea. You can have both and still don't waste any time, because you would do things that you enjoy anyways. It's a win-win situation, the best methods are the ones you actually use and can use long-term and become part in your daily life. Sure, adults normally need to learn more quickly than children (unless it's a hobby but well, we are the minority here...). But have much less motivation because they aren't surrounded exclusively by people who speak that one language. They need to find the time to dedicate to learning and the more exposure to the language the better. Through playful methods you can do that much more easily, because it's "lighter" and you can do more and do it consistently. The weird sentences you encounter in Duolingo are not meant to be learned and used as they are. They just show you words in a funny context to help remember them. Not only you remember the words but also the sentence structure and grammar and you will then be able to build your own (more useful) sentences. It's also not a method that can be used alone, it works best combined with other things (where you can practice what you learned) and it doesnt really waste any time because you can use it anywhere, for a few minutes which probably you would have instead used on social media. It also doesn't drain your mental energy but rather helps you to keep enjoying the language daily. But this is not just about Duolingo, it counts for any method or app that is made to be entertaining. There's a lot of value in that, but of course everyone chooses what they prefer. It's a long topic, I just wanted to answer though not sure it changes anything, it seems we have very different views.
I also wish you a nice weekend!
Intro ends @ 4:25 . Tips follow.
LMAO
i think the too easy activities aren't a problem IF that's step one of many for you. if you're using the app in conjunction with other methods, learning that dog is perro from a very easy multiple choice question enables you to recognize the word perro in a children's picture book and understand what it means. the fact of the matter is no single app is ever going to get you to fluency and the usefulness of an app completely depends on what you're doing outside of the app
Hi Abbe, I'm learning English all days.. every day listen, listen and listen any video that i find in you tube. I don't need to place videos with subtitle because i understand the dialogues and conversations.. but my problem right now is when i have to speak and practique my english.. I hope to solve this problem. For other way your speak is very clearly and perfect!! see you soon alligator!!
Hi Gabriel,
You're at that point where you have to practice speaking.
You can easily do this online.
Here are a some of our articles to get you started:
www.mosalingua.com/en/the-seven-golden-rules-for-studying-with-a-language-partner/
www.mosalingua.com/en/linguistic-exchanges/
www.mosalingua.com/en/the-seven-golden-rules-for-studying-with-a-language-partner/
I hope this helps!
ABBE
@@mosalingua Thanks you so much,
I really appreciate it abbe :)
You speak Spanish really well.Thank you very much for everything
Thanks!
Happy learning!
ABBE
Hi! I agree with almost everything that has been said, excepted one point : cats wear shoes, cows wear purple skirts... Why not ? Absurd sentences are fun Indeed (even if it seems that this word is unappreciated), but somehow they Can help people to memorize words or grammar, I think it depends on how each one's memory works. To me, I do remember absurd examples because they are absurd, that's the point.
Hi there,
I think that this can be good for mnemonics. You can use anything which is emotionally charged, not just fun.
For example, if you're having trouble remembering the verb to steal in Spanish, you could make up a small story:
“You are just leaving the bar after a night out with your friends when, suddenly, a robber comes out of nowhere and steals your wallet!”
You phone the police and say: “I was just robbed outside the bar!”
So, to steal = robar.
So we agree there completely, but not with actually learning with these nonsense sentences. When were you able to use these sentences you've memorized?
You should preferably memorize useful sentences you can use at any time, and use fun stories in case you can't remember a word.
I hope it clarifies our point 🙂
ABBE
good afternoon! thank you very much for the tips. happiness to you!
Same to you!
ABBE
Would be worth checking out if it offered Greek.
I agree with you ! the best is , of course, Mosalingua ! Isn't it ,
We'd surely say so! 😆💪😅
ABBE
There is even a mistake "Cats wears (sic!) shoes."
How great your advice are thank you so much to enlighten me
Happy to help!
ABBE
Great videos as they are straight to the point.
La mejor forma para aprender es estudiar todos los días, bueno al menos en mi caso que si lo hago jaja
Thank you for this video, it helps us a lot
Un consejo tan sencillo pero tan preciso a la vez.
I love you, Abbe! You always inspire me, keep it up! ❤
😂
@@cool-wx5gx what
While I agree that it can become too easy, I also think that exercises can be too hard - when people can't solve them or are feeling miserable, and when they take so long that they are inefficient. The best is a balance.
I am also tired of learning irrelevant words. I might need the words for 'toilet', 'phone' and 'camera', but I'm not planning to say 'elephant' or 'uncle' anytime soon.
Hi there,
You're absolutely right!
You should definitely be able to choose whatever words you want to learn.
You do have this choice on our app, but, unfortunately, most language-learning apps don't have this option...
Enjoy your weekend!
ABBE
My favorite sentence that I will never use "These are not my lions"
Make sure you learn it, though! 😜
ABBE
I have a frustrating experience. Not knowing where to begin or hitting a plateau can feel demoralizing and make it hard to hit the books and study like you know you should…Having friends from other cultures makes me more creative. In fresh ways about space and how people create their own world and environment. It is best way to connect between creative thinking and cross-cultural relationships.
Hi Sakura,
Those are certainly frustrating issues, and I can assure you that you are not alone! Also, thanks for the great tip for our viewers. We highly recommend that language learners incorporate the conversation partner/language tandem model into their studies because it benefits learners in so many ways. But we sometimes forget to mention that this type of practice doesn't just help with your practical skills! As you said, talking to someone from a different culture also can motivate you, promote creativity, and encourage you to think differently about the world around you. Plus, real friendships can develop!
Thanks for watching!
ABBE
La più affascinante professoressa di tutte !
Vero
La voix qui parle dans l'application c'est la vôtre abbe ?
Oui, mais pas pour toutes les cartes 😊
Vous êtes de quelle nationalité svp
Hello, Mahamadou. I hope you have enjoyed the video! I'm from the US.
ABBE
I would love to try MosaLingua, if you just had the language I want to learn, but you don’t.
Sorry to hear that!
Unfortunately, it takes a lot of time to create a good product. Maybe in the future...
ABBE
Tempo é recurso mais precioso do poliglota, proibido desperdiçar.
Fala aê meu amigo, qual método vc usa no seu aprendizado de línguas?
Diversos principalmente sentece minning e método do círculo completo.
O grande problema desse curso é que desde que o iniciei tenho dificuldade em entender a sua operacionalidade. São muitas opções para serem aplicadas sem que se tenha uma orientação de como fazê-las. Indaguei a vocês qual a vigência do meu contrato, pois não tenho pretensões de renova-lo. Praticamente não acesso as aplicações do curso por achá-las complicadas. Concordo que existe uma enxurrada de cursos que talvez não sejam eficientes para o aprendizado, mas que se consegue produzir pela descomplicação de sua operação. É isso. Na realidade, já cheguei a triste conclusão que só se consegue ser fluente no inglês se houver um contato diário com a língua e quem sabe com nativos. No mais, é tentar enganar-se.
Olá, Gilson,
Agradecemos pelo seu comentário. Se você eventualmente tiver alguma dificuldade com qualquer de nossos cursos/apps, perceba que todos eles têm um botão "Ajuda" com instruções sobre o uso. Além disso, nosso serviço de suporte está sempre à disposição de nossos usuários. Basta enviar um e-mail para support_pt@mosalingua.com ou escrever uma mensagem em qualquer das páginas dos nossos cursos online.
ABBE
je suis entierement d'accord avec vous. On est un peu perdu devant ce flot d'applications J aurai préféré etre guidé pas a pas. Mais la on doit s'organiser soi meme. Sinon cette methode est pas mal.
A mother duo lingo put down . Duo is a tool
It's how you use it.
Is duolingo useful?
Hi there!
We have an article regarding this. You can find it here:
www.mosalingua.com/en/comparing-duolingo-mosalingua-best-app-learn-language/
Hope it helps!
ABBE
I kind of don't agree... As a mature adult 38 used at lot of these fun apps to learn Spanish. Speak Spanish fluently now. Really helped me get a foot into the language. Thanks especially to Duolingo. Is awesome for Spanish. The others helped too. Never had a formal difficult lesson of Spanish in my life.
Hey James,
Thanks for watching and for your comment. That just goes to show that everyone learns differently. 😊 I'm glad you've found an approach that works for you. It's really inspiring that you've learned Spanish all on your own!
Happy learning!
ABBE
@@mosalingua Learning Chinese now. The Chineasy app is really good. They will not teach a language, in that you will become a speaker of your, say, duolingo language without talking to native speakers, but imo they do help, maybe even a lot.
Duolingo, “The Norwegian cat is a Viking”. Sooooo stupid!
"your country has many doors", in the guarany course
¿Como? ¿Tus gatos no usan zapatos como los mios? 😂
Is it me, or did I lose the count of "seconds" in this video?)))
Mosalingua é o melhor.
Mosalingua è il migliore.
Mosalingua és mejore.
Mosalingua is the best.
Thanks! 🤗
As far as I am concerned, I spend one hour on Mosalingua. Hopefully, it's enough !
Wow. That's quite a lot :)
Does that include the hands free/dialogues?
ABBE
@@mosalingua No it doesn't. I just use it normally. Besides I watch videos on RUclips and add the words that I don't know. :)
Buenos vídeos ,la mejor app para aprender mosalingua sin duda
¡Muchas gracias por tu comentario!
Nos alegra saber que te gusta MosaLingua :)
ABBE
"Learning is not a game" and often is not fun. If you learn languages "for fun", you are doomed to a big disappointment. The same is true for almost any subject worth studying, from computer programming to mathematics to medicine.
Just no. There's a whole generation of zoomers these days who learned English to a decent level purely by playing games with their peers in English. Through nothing but fun. I know a few people like this. Before that, there were generations of people who learned English solely by watching shows with subtitles. I know quite a few who achieved remarkable levels of competence this way. These days, there's growing evidence of the efficiency of methods that are based exclusively on comprehensive input such as story-based learning through graded readers. Fully passive immersion through reading books you like at a level where you understand everything new from the context and internalize it by means of calculated repetitions. Not to mention that even the good old communicative method, when done right, is extremely fun in a group setting. Are all these methods the fastest? Maybe not. But they work (and for some of them there's enough research to prove it with hard data; often they work *at least* as good as traditional drill-based methods when put to the test). In fact, I'd say you can learn anything by perseverance, but when it's made fun you learn so much faster.
Don’t worry Abbe. I love Mosa Lingua and I think you do a super job!
Attacking other language learning apps for your benefit is unprofessional. No app meets everybody's needs nor does it address all skills needed to learn everything. I had more success with Duolingo than mosalingua. Duolingo is great for learning how to write. Mosalingua is too passive in my opinion
Hi there, thanks for sharing your opinion.
We agree that no app can meets everybody's needs, and we aren't arguing that ours does. Our goal with this video was not to attack anyone - we aren't naming any names and we didn't use a clickbait title to call anyone out or get more views - our goal was to tell our community that we truly think some methods and features are ineffective, and to explain some of the reasoning behind why our apps are they way they are. There are many apps and language courses out there that we love and we even promote them on our blog, for no reason (i.e. financial) other than that we think they could help our users. If you have found something that works for you, and it happens to be Duolingo, we are happy for you! By the way, I think this is the very first time someone has said that MosaLingua is too passive; to be honest, sometimes our users say the opposite, that it takes a lot of effort!
Again, we know that MosaLingua isn't for everyone, and we respect your opinion.
Take care,
ABBE
This video sounded too passive agressive for my likes
谢谢您 ， 我希望
Good
Tentando tornar meu dia mais produtivo e estudar o maior número de idiomas possível e reter o que aprendo.
Muito bom, Cristiano! Se você usa nosso app, acredito que a questão da retenção estará assegurada ;-)
Boa aprendizagem!
ABBE
@@mosalingua Como ja escrevi, sou premium em todos, aguardando novos idiomas.
Never met someone who became fluent using app game style guessing lessons or useless phrases. "The dog wears blue shoes".. totally waste of time.😁
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Just because somebody isn't fluent doesn't mean that they don't know the language well enough for their purpose. If all you want out of the language is the ability to operate in a limited context, then those sorts of apps might be OK.
Personally, when I use apps to learn language, it's working with real sentences and learning as many of the words in the sentence as I don't know and moving through that. I also try hard to get real exposure wherever possible to serve as a reality check on what I'm really learning. Real conversations and interactions are the only tests that really matter. Did I say something and get the response I was expecting, or not so much?
Please stop cracking your voice. This American trendy is unbearable.