Natural Stump Removal Follow Up - Does Salting a Stump Actually Work?
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There is a possibility that if this works, it will prevent anything else from growing in the area because of the salt concentration 
I found a lot of websites recommending this method, but nobody actually following up for long-term follow up on whether or not it worked so stay tuned for the results
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There is a possibility that if this works, it will prevent anything else from growing in the area because of the salt concentration 
I found a lot of websites recommending this method, but nobody actually following up for long-term follow up on whether or not it worked so stay tuned for the results
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Considering your description of what the salt should do, not having the stump decay sounds about right.
First off, look at the text you display at 1:54, quoting:
Rock salt is a naturally occurring mineral formed from sodium chloride, and it can be used to kill your stump.
Now what part of "kill your stump" implies that it will increase decay? Killing a stump is to prevent the root system under the stump from sending up new shoots that would eventually turn into trees. Has absolutely nothing about decay.
2:46 quoting "So the salt kills anything alive and removes all the moisture from the stump. ... And once all the moisture is gone, it apparently will rot faster .. "
Umm. Excuse me? Killing everything and removing the moisture will cause it to rot faster? Rot and decay are processes causing by LIVING organisms such as fungi, bacterial, etc. Killing everything doesn't help promote rotting. And there are several requirements for life on Earth, one of which is WATER. So drying out the environment will also prevent life, which in turn prevents rot. There's a damn good reason that salt preservation of food has been used since at least 2000 BC.
In a nutshell, "killing a stump" and "removing a stump" are NOT the same thing.
As for removing a stump, you can do so physically (grinding, etc), or you can convert the stump into something else (burning, rotting, etc.) If you want to rot the stump, you need to encourage microbial and fungal growth by making the environment moist, provide fertilizer and other micro nutrients to encourage growth, etc.
So keep the stump moist, add a high nitrogen fertilizer or potassium nitrate (which is a high nitrogen fertilizer). The reason some recommend covering the stump with a tarp is simply because the tarp will help prevent the moisture from evaporating, causing the stump to dry out. MOISTURE IS YOUR FRIEND!!!! Keep it moist. How you do that is up to you. Compost, mulch, tarp, regular watering, whatever floats your boat.
Hi from Portland Oregon
I have been trying to find the final results of this project.
I think the issue here is that salt will the stump...but I don't think it necessarily promotes decay. Salt is a natural desiccant, which is why it was used as a in the ancient times. Without moisture (or at least, with reduced moisture), the process of decay slows. Also, I can't imagine that the salt is particularly good for the various micro-organisms and other critters that actually process the organic matter. So yes, killing the stump is an important first step towards the ultimate decay of it..but once dead, the salt actually slows down the decaying process through its desiccation properties in the areas where it is in high concentration. The common stump-removal products out there contain potassium nitrate which I believe accelerates rot by supporting fungi growth (after the stump is dead through other means). So, while I think using salt can be an important step in this process (killing the stump), I think you're going to need a phase 2 to actually promote the accelerated decomposition process using something like potassium nitrate or another type of treatment. Thanks for letting us follow along on your research project..it's been great to see real-world results from a hypothesis/experiment process :)
Gary - Thanks for this. I've been interested in this subject for a long time. I believe you're right about the two steps that need to occur. Killing the stump first is especially important for those trees that tend to sucker (Black Locust comes to mind). After it's dead it shouldn't sucker (from the stump), but, you're still left with a hard dry stump which needs to be dissolved. Thanks as well to Rockhill Farms for creating this content. I appreciate it, and I'm going to subscribe.
Stump removers work by oxidizing wood. NaCl is a weak oxidant, it will work but not well. NaOH is a stronger oxidant so it will work better on a molar basis than NaCl. Potassium Nitrate is also a stronger oxidizer than NaCl, and is the ideal chemical for degrading stumps. But it can still imbalance the soil because too much Potassium interferes with absorption of other minerals that baby plants require. Excess sodium in soil is far more toxic to plants than potassium,
I fully agree with you. We probably did not learn this in high school biology, but certainly a lot of people are familiar with wood rot. It's caused, or at least encouraged, by lots of moisture. As it turns out it also needs the nitrogen in air to process the wood.
Back in the 90s I had a live oak tree sprout up against the framing of my garage. We had poured a concrete slab under the garage, and I did not want the tree damaging the slab. I cut down the tree and buried the stump under my compost pile. After 18 months I moved the compost pile a few feet away and expected to find no stump at all. What I found was a very solid stump. Very. Solid. But I watered the stump every time I watered the compost and waited it out. It did not take too long before I started to see mushrooms growing on the stump. BINGO! 18 months later the stump was unrecognizable. Once the wood rot gets going, stand back, because there's no turning it off.
Thanks for the follow up Brock , I had mentioned to you 10 weeks ago that I will be expecting a follow-up , and by golly, you didn't disappoint!
I, too, have been told this works ,see you on this subject in 6 months !
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Thanks for the Video....I had a stump that had been ground, but because it was right on a fence line, they only cut part of it away. I made a massive hole in the remains and filled it with "Epsom Salts" after a video I watched suggested that... It worked... It rotted the stump off and other than the fact that it took a while, it came out "Whole"...No Digging Required...and grass is growing where the stump used to be.
My dad had a sweetgum stump he needed to get rid of. Since he and mom made ice cream every weekend in the summer dad poured the salty water from the churn on the stump each week. By the end of the second summer the stump was nearly gone. It wasn't so much the rot as it was the deer stomping and digging it to get the salt. They actually stomped it into pieced.
So your dad's method will not work in urban areas, in the absence of deer!!! 😁
Was hoping that it would work. Thanks for the update!
I was rooting for this to work better too!!
I tried this on some stumps about a year ago. It pretty much did nothing. I ended up ordering a rock wheel trencher for my tractor and one of the first things I used it on was removing the remaining stumps. That I will say worked really well!
Brock, I've been wondering about this technique thank you for circling back to it.
Yeah, I’ll be doing a one year follow up in January
When I was a kid I helped my dad clear farm land. Process was to cut the tree down, shovel dig a rat tunnel under the stump and blow it with lit fused dynamite. It was a hit and miss deal because the bigger stumps often would split but stay in place. My dad could purchase explosive supplies at the local feed co-op:). We had neighbor who killed himself blowing stumps, they figured his fuse was too fast for some reason. I still remember looking down into a smoking hole after a good dynamite shot.
This method definitely sounds like the most fun except I live on a cul de sac and not sure how well this would go over with the neighbors😁.
Good luck finding dynamites nowadays!
@@flickboogers9325 Yes, rules suck the fun out everything:)
My dad blew stumps out with explosives too in the 70s. I vaguely remember it. Pretty exciting stuff. This was in Australia. You’d go to gaol and they’d throw away the key if you blew up stumps on your farm today.
Personally I think a six ton excavator is the best tool for removing a stump. If $150k can’t be found for one then hiring is another option.
@@kdegraa This was in1960+-. Many adult males had already seen plenty of action in the military, fooling with dynamite wasn't that scary for them. It was great fun for us kids, except for the digging.
Big roots in areas like this where a fire is possible, I've left them at the original height, drilled holes all around, piled on the unwanted branches /foliage and set it alight. Then cut it down in height.
Won't always burn the root out but kills it and opens up the grain allowing it to rot quicker.
Although the fastest option as this field is to be plowed would have been to dig it out.
thanks
Whatever the solution, someone out there will claim there is a better way. The best way, is always what works best for you. Not everyone else.
Exactly. I surrounded my largest stump with brick, and turned it into a garden fire pit. It was burnt out within a month, and rotted out the remainder underneath where the heat never reached within 3 months.
If you are no more than 35 years old and you live a normal lifespan, then perhaps shortly before your death you will see some softening. Perhaps, your children or grandchildren will have better luck or the good sense to dig it out. Always, dig out a stump if you have the equipment, or the money to pay someone to do it. And that's the the truth, jack.
I'd think salt acts as a preservative and does exactly the opposite of what you want. It might have been better to put a mushroom compost mixed with manure in the holes and over the stump.
Brock, I have done this test with a 50lb. white salt block for my horses and it did start the break down, but only after the block was gone about 5 months later and it's been a year now and I was able to go over it with the tractor .
Well.... from my understanding from many old timers, salt keeps wood from rotting... they put it in the holes for the fence posts..... and most all of them are still in the ground and are still good.... the salt just kills any plants that might grow along it.... that's what I did over 35 yrs ago when I fenced around my property.... and they are still solid! My neighbor has replaced his posts a couple times over the years. I usually just let the stumps alone several years and they pop out nice .....
Salting the ground will have long term unwanted consequences.
Use old stumps to smoke Thanksgiving turkey. Stumps provide very slow but steady smoke :)
I used milk on a few stumps in my yard. Just did it one time and in a few years they were all rotted and very moist. Breaking them up and getting them out was easy I used a pry bar.
Wood auger bit works much better imo than a paddle or regular drill bit for something like this.
He discussed that in the first video. He couldn't find his paddle bits and used the biggest bit he could find.
With this method it may take ten years, never ever in ten weeks!!! Great demonstration that it didn't work!😂❤
I think he's going to further prove that salt doesn't work in 6 months.
I am glad not to have been a farmer in 1800 turning old growth timberland into farmland!
Snake oil, not a prayers chance that salt did a darn thing or ever will. Fire up the grinder again Brock IMHO. Thanks for the vid, you have the best ones.
I have used holes filled with Ammonium Nitrate to decay stumps. Non were that big but I drilled several holes in them and filled them. They were behind a storage building so I didn't really keep a close watch on it but they did rot away. As DogSoldierToo said, the salt will kill the stump but will not accelerate its rotting.
Yeah, I understand any sort of high nitrogen chem fertilizer( such as ammonia sulfate) does the trick. go with whatever is cheap locally.
Good morning, Brock. The best way that I have found to get rid of an unwanted stump is to dig it out, dig the hole out and bury it. Just make sure that it's below the depth that will cause you an issue. Obviously you can't do that if you're planning to build something in that spot but if not it will work. Or just have it hauled away. God bless. 👍👍👍😊
The problem with that is that it's now illegal to bury stumps in mass so we have to haul all of them. The problem is some people did it wrong and made sinkholes and ruined a perfectly good method for the rest of us.
Reading that is infuriating.
Next level government overreach.
You can’t regulate what someone does with a tree stump
Nice. What model Husqvarna saw was that being used in the video? I saw a Stihl also.
I think you made a “mummy log”!
Salt dehydrates but won't make it rot. So it does kill the tree but a dead dry tree wont rot to fast.
Thank you!
That was a lot of work. . . I understand, been there, done that. . . I didn't think the salt would do that much, it's such a huge stump.
Good morning, did you water it every two to three days like the instructions indicated
Salt is a preservative. Salt rots metal, but preserves organic matter.
You would have been better off dumping a pile of fresh cow manure on it - let the bacteria go to work. That probably would have softened it more than salt.
That description says kill a stump not remove a stump.
If you'll read the instructions you put on screen, it says the salt is for KILLING the stump. You want it to rot. This and other methods that don't encourage rot are worthless. Sad, but true.
Talking about killing or rotting a stump is interesting and glad I found this site. Here is my problem but I think the salt is the answer here. I think alot depends on the type of tree we are all talking about. We recently cut down some Black Poplar/ Cottonwood/ Bamb what ever you may call it about three months ag9. We just came back from a short holiday about a month ago and the suckers coming out from those trees are unreal. From about 6 good sized trees there are close to a hundred suckers and some of them are about 10 feet tall now! They grow right out from the stump and along the root direction I believe. I think killing this kind of tree first is the best step then worry about rot after the stumps are dead.
Get it low to the ground and keeping killing the suckers with a lawn mower. Once its dead just cover it in wood chips/compost and keep it wet.
This didn’t seem like a very good plan to me, but I treat things like this like an episode of MythBusters.
This is a method that is commonly spread online. Not some thing I thought of. I’m testing it with a large audience.
I’ve already done a three month follow up and i’m going to do a 12 month follow up. I don’t care what the result is but I’m going to show it
Wondering what effect the salt will have on vegetation in its proximity???
Have you tried Tannerite?
In the graphics it said to water the stump every 2-3 days. I assume you didn't do that, since it sounds like something nobody would ever remember to do. But maybe that is the missing ingredient. Did you have lots of rain since you covered the stump in salt? It'll be interesting to see what happens with the stump over time compared to just piling dirt on it.
I have a pine stump. Its roots are causing the wall nearby to tilt/destabilize, which I have to stop. I get killing the stump, but how to I ensure the roots stop growing? I can't dig up the roots, because the wall might fall (it's super unstable currently). I don't have the money to rebuild the wall. Any tips? Thx
Dynamite!
Brock don't waste your time on a stump grind it below the surface through some dirt over it and forget it lol
I was looking for a way to preserve wood, about 40 years ago and salt is a preservative, so I took a pallet board that was too short and put it in a 5 gallon bucket and added about 1 lb of salt and about 3 gallons of water and left it out side for a couple of years and it rotted above the salt water but stayed in pretty good shape where it soaked in the salt water.
A lot of people are saying that the salt will stop the decomposition because it dries it out. Meanwhile, logs can stay intact for decades, fully submerged in water.
@@RockhillfarmYTFor organic matter to rot down to compost, it needs a balanced combination of oxygen and water. A log that is submerged under water has too much water and not enough oxygen so it won’t rot.
Making the effort to get that deeper, wider padel drill bit and injecting the holes with a slurry of a tree stump rot product would produce better and faster results. Ideally, if you had access to a termite colony or two, they'd munch it down. But, yes, salt is a very good desiccator, not a rotter.
Nice job of preserving the stump. Salt kills it, not rots it.
Dump cow patties on it and hope the salt dissipates.
I literally did. That’s composted manure on the top of it.
Cow manure is low nitrogen, you want high nitrogen for the stump removal. But cow patties is still a hell of a lot better than salting the earth for stump removal.
Interesting idea, but if you wanted to remove the stump without grinding it or burning it, you'd want to promote decay. It is true that salt kills plants, but it also kills microbes and other things like fungi that could have started the process of decay.
Instead of a mushy stump, this gentleman use of salt has preserved the wood.
It would have been better to simply dump cow or other manure on it without anything else.
Nature isn't complicated, and in this case, less is more.
Have you thought of using some DEF?
You are in Rock Hill, SC?
Get some rid-X for septic tanks. Promote the break down process.
Natural stump removal is done using ANFO :)
Unless I'm mistaken, the paragraph you showed said kill the stump, not remove it.
Can you use pool salt
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Funny I come across some videos about stump removal a week after my 10 week stump rot and removal of my own. I left the stump about waist hight and used an axe on the top of the stump and top of the roots on the stump and every weekend chop on it for 5min if no rain fell soak the top with water last week it broke apart into 3 pieces as deep as 4 inches below ground level in the center and filled with compost. But the fireant nest and termites might have helped speed the process up.
My dad did a deep cross hatch pattern on a stump one time. I know for a fact he didn't chop on it anymore and I seriously doubt he ever poured any water on it. I can almost hear him say "eh, it'll rain soon enough". I asked what the point of it all was and he said it was to give water a place to pool and soak the wood to make it rot. It worked but I think it took at least 2-3 yrs. It was a very long time ago.
I'd like to give you some advice, but this problem has me a little stumped.
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I wonder if adjacent trees will be affected by the Epson salt?
I think instead of salt you should have dumped a bag of urea fertilizer on it to feed the microbes that decay the wood.
Does this method impair a tree next to it?
would that not just petrify the stump? cause the minerals from the salt and whats around it to bind with the carbons in the wood and solidify them?
Okay at 2:29 it doesn’t say anything about rotting or dissolving or removing the stump, it says the method is for *killing* the stump. Like if you don’t care that the stump is still there but you don’t want the tree to grow back, like if it were a very resilient species like a crepe Myrtle. You seem to be trying something that isn’t actually advertised to do what you want.
Yeah, except I took one little paragraph and shared it out of a long article and this method is listed on a dozen websites.
They’re not just talking about keeping it from re-growing. They were talking about removing it.
I could care less if it works or not. Just doing a test with an audience.
I saw several other videos with people doing the exact same test, the same way, but never coming back and showing the results which is a problem
Salt's a great preservative.
The theory behind it for getting rid of stumps is that it removes all the moisture and kills it. At that point it will rot much faster.
This video was filmed middle of January last year so I’m getting ready to go out there and do a 12 month update
Unless the salt gets washed away it will prevent the microorganisms from rotting the wood once the stump dies. Wood eating microorganisms can't live in a high salt concentration. @@RockhillfarmYT
@rawbacon this isn’t my theory. It’s something that is listed everywhere on the Internet as a solution.
I’m doing a one year test like MythBusters
Nothing wrong with doing test. I hope you're not taking my comments as some sort of personal attack on you. BTW I'm willing to be proven wrong, hard to believe but even I get things wrong sometimes. 😂@@RockhillfarmYT
You do realise Salt is a preservative. It's used to keep food from rotting or going bad.
What if you used lye?
I have been told you need to use potassium nitrate (saltpetre) and not sodium chloride (salt).
No idea why salt (sodium chloride) would rot out a stump. Potassium Nitrate is sometimes used. It is a pretty good fertilizer so I think it encourages bacterial growth. Urea might work as well. It is just a fairly cheap nitrogen fertilizer.
Yes, salt didn't sound good from the start, as it is used to preserve stuff, thus killing micro-organisms that would decay the tree stump. I took the chainsaw to the surface of a 75 y.o. Douglas Fir stump, making a cross-hatch pattern, covered it with dirt and wet it down when I was doing my other watering. It was pretty punky within months, and I was able to flake it apart the next year. I've heard buttermilk works well, but I wasn't about to go buy a product.
Hardwoods won't grow back if cut during summer.
Drill and fill with any nitrate and water. When dry add a liquid fuel and it will burn out quicker.
The only part of this process i can see working is to use the largest drill as you did. Then pack the holes with PE4 and a couple of detonators.
Best method I've found is to light a fire around the dried stump and burn it out.
In addition to the stump project, why do you want to plow the land? That is destructive to the land and sets you back if you’re trying to improve the grass for livestock. Are you farming or ranching?
and what does grow o the salt spot.... seaweed
i thought i read you had to water it every 2 to 3 days. does not look wet to me
Is it possible to fell a tree by uprooting it with the weight and momentum of the fall...fell? The stumps make a nice display.
It definitely is. That is a good strategy
If table salt does not work and rock salt well... Rock salt = table salt = sodium chloride.
Won't the salt prevent anything else from growing there?
Fail - but very refreshing to see an honest report on YT. So much BS and faked success in DIY videos.
I have a stump to deal with and this demo will save me from messing with salt.
Cool video. Potassium Nitrate is the best and safest method of chemical stump degradation. The harder the wood, the slower the degradation. If you core stump and major roots and fill them, add water and then leave it alone for 6 months. then you come back with a strong crowbar and go to work. The only drawback of using this method is that soil in the vicinity of your handiwork will be overloaded with potassium. This will interfere with growth of grasses and corn seedlings because they cannot take up other minerals like Fe efficiently. So growth will be retarded, and plants will yellow. The soil will remain high in Potassium for many years. So if you intend on planting, remove a fair amount of the soil and replace it with unadulterated soil. Then mix it well. PS The soil in this video looks good for planting hard woods such as oak. In 50 years a mature oak will be worth 10,000 dollars owing to hard wood scarcity.
OK, I guess we should stick to peeing on the stumps then.
guys, wherever possible, don't create a stump. expose lateral roots and cut them out. then pull the tree over, roots and all.
Salt also kills and prevents the growth of bacteria needed for decay.
In my experiance it will take a good 10 years for that stump to rot. To help it along keep dirt over it, sprinkle a little nitrogen fertilizer on it once in a while just like you fertilize your lawn, and keep the dirt damp, not wet. If you want to plow over it sooner than that dig it out.
Chessyman what about chicken manure? very high in nitrogen
Problem is I think it depends on the type of tree we are all talking about. We cut down some Black Poplar/ Cottonwood/ Bamb what ever you may call it about three months ago and we just came back from a short holiday about a month ago and the suckers coming out from those trees are unreal. From about 6 good sized trees there are close to a hundred suckers and some of them are about 10 feet tall now! They grow right out from the stump and along the root direction I believe. I think killing this kind of tree first is the best step then worry about rot after the stumps are dead.
Try Muretic acid
Have you tried bone meal?
Wash the salt out. Maybe get a pig farmer to dump his hot pig waste over your field. Assuming your neighbors wont complain.
put a bucket on it, some wood and petrol and light it
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Salt is a preservative
Never poison your ground with salt
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everything else is subjective.
Try termites next time?
Should have used sugar and add old milk
It works it takes about a year and you have to apply more salt after about 4 mos. Then apply more salt another 4 mos. When it starts to decay more. Then as it decays in about a year when you see more decay it will still have hard wood in some areas ad more salt. Always ad a little water so the wood will absorb salt. Keep dirt and a dark cover over it. It works it takes a long time and one application of salt 8s not enough.
Thanks for sharing
If it's supposed to dry out the stump then I don't think it'll have a soft spot, should be dry and easy to burn tho 🤔🤷♂️
they have a space laser💥that can eliminate all types of stumps ...
they just won't let anyone use it ...
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should of tried dolomite or calcium
In order for wood to rot you need moisture, and in a perfect world....fungus.
instead of fdrilling holes, you could have plunged the chainsaw in..
Oh, I didn’t have that kind of time, and if you were thinking, that would’ve been quick, you might not be thinking it through.
There are pockets of dirt just a few inches down into the stump. There are even pockets of dirt up at ground level. Whole lot of sharpening going on.
Whatever salt you add has to be an oxidizer. "Oh it's just salt?" No.
Has it been wet enough in your area? This method requires quite a bit of environmental moisture.
Big bonfire
I'm not a patient man. Neither am I a rich man. But I still might need to get a stump grinder. Or an excavator. I wonder if I could identify as a rich man to get the financing for the excavator. I'm thinking that won't work. I'd certainly be identifying as a poor man when it came time to make the payments. Pass the salt, please.
I tried the rock salt method 3 times. Blue Spruce. Failed all 3 times. 8 years later the stumps are still there. One of them is getting brittle but that is due to time and all the holes. The rock salt method is just another bullshit story. Also tried epsom salt on a Maple with no luck.