Hi, thanks for the video but what about doing away with supports and footstools altogether and hold the guitar across your body with the bottom of the guitar on your right lap steadied by the right arm like Scott Tenant and Michael Chapdelaine ? It looks entirely natural and comfortable, probably would take some getting used to but I think it would be better for posture and also would eventually feel great. I have started to try that and it feels good and right to play in that position. I have tried supports but they can’t quite seem to be able to position the guitar central across your body, they are either one side or another.
thats sort of the point, the guiar isn't supposed to sit straight acrossed your body, because you actually have to roll your shoulder over your instrument much further this way, and while some musicians might make it look natural, it probably has more to do with habit and playing style then ergonomics, and if you arent already doing it, there isn't a point to force yourself to play with the instrument in this fashion, often the seat you use will not be the perfect hight or even the same hight every time, so with foot pedals or these supports, it allows the player in any environment to elevate their insturment into a position that allows them a sturdy and memorable "base" to begin from, and then they can shift around from this ergonomic position, if the player starts with the instrument flat across them and sittin with both feet straight, they are unlikely to be playing with any sort of feel or doing any sort of precision playing or fingerstyle, because the instrument is just often going to be too far away from the body if it sits all the way down on the lap without having some angle to it. thats why its an exception to see players do that and not a rule, and what is more important that the "perfect" position, is to do physical therapy, and don't play in any position for more that 20 or 30 mins without a break. i have to shift all over to different spots, and i am battling pain more for the fact that I don't do enough corrective and strengthening to combat the playing and sitting that i do. So exercise more and take breaks, relax your breath and try to catch yourself slouching, if the position you begin in has your slouching over, you are not going to be able to correct it by putting a stick in your back and trying to fight your natural posture, you will need to be posturally accurate, and what you will notice is the musicians you reference are old school. old school individuals have a naturally more upright posture because of the lack of technology that has us looking down and slouching, so don't try to be something you aren't because you saw it on tv. Pedals and footstools are necessary and very helpful in this.
@@Lagger-HD The way I described across the body with the guitar on right thigh, clutching the guitar without support ie Scott Tenant’s position now-I find it the best because nearly all other forms we have the problem that the feet are not firmly on the floor evenly and one has to cater for guitar going in between the legs, which creates unevenness. With this form it is comfortable as both feet are aligned together with feet firmly rooted on the ground and the sound hole is naturally aligned with the hands. It even in my opinion seems to resonate the guitar better as the body is almost hugging it across the chest. I feel grounded and much more comfortable with this way. No temptation to play with toes lifted or anything like that, even with supports it seems to generate uneven positions like that with the tendency to raise the guitar with lifting your right ankle or tendency to want to bring the guitar closer. Footstools especially had been troublesome to me in creating this tension and unevenness. Yes agreed with what you are saying about breaks and relaxing though very important. I am naturally not very good at guitar, as a result have been adjusting my form experimenting more than anyone else would in my opinion. If one is naturally good one doesn’t question the way it has always been done as they don’t have to question their guitar positioning and ergonomics as much as someone who can’t quite get to grips and feel at ease with the instrument 😊
I also feel this is the most natural position, holding the guitar this way feels like a natural embrace. Check out also Flavio Sala and Ricardo Gallén, they also rest the guitar on their right thigh (Ricardo, with legs crossed like flamenco guitarists) and play like nobody’s business…!!!
@@Soberan yes agree but the cross legged position I find I found is quite uncomfortable as you have to lean over like with most flamenco players. For me it has to be on the right thigh but steadied by the right arm in some way with pads on the back of the guitar as well as the butt to stop it sliding of the body. Michael Chapdelaine adopted this really well also seems common with South American players not so much (but some) flamenco players.
Murata used to be called the AdjuStar in the 1980's.Been using mine since 1986. Make sure people know that vinyl melts lacquer finishes if the two come in contact.
@@markcohen8770 still learning, Mark. Thanks for the encouragement. I just started using the Woodside support. I like it better than the others I have, which you also mention. Great improvement! I sold my Murata once I had a raised fingerboard guitar.
Over a long period of time it would make a slight frosty sort of patina at the edge where you grip the guitar. But it would be very slight. Key point is to remove the support when not using it. In our experience, very little impact to the finish.
Interesting review. I have a Murata but miss being able to get a really steep angle. I'm 6' 5" so the higher the better. Woodside do have an extension unit. I've ordered a Woodside so fingers crossed......
The Murata is made from cheap materials. One of the wingnuts was wobbly. I've noticed that the thread on the adjustment screw was getting stripped. Sure enough, today the thing won't tighten. It's less than two years old. One of the improvements with the Woodside is the ability to pivot in any direction. The Murata only has one pivot axis.
i often wondered why classical guitars dont have a simple guitar strap screw set up, like most acoustics. i guess even mentioning this is a total reason to burn in hell. RIGHT ? still i like the looks and application of the woodside guitar support , so it is on my next guitar list thing to buy.
At the @brandonacker chanel You can watch a tip, how to attach a button to the guitar. Emotionally I cannot make a hole with my hand in the guitar, so I'm using HBStrap - it holds on the guitar with help of hooks that hold the resonator hole. The hooks are protected by fabric, so they do not damage the wood.
Thanks for this review of the Woodside Support!
Hi, thanks for the video but what about doing away with supports and footstools altogether and hold the guitar across your body with the bottom of the guitar on your right lap steadied by the right arm like Scott Tenant and Michael Chapdelaine ? It looks entirely natural and comfortable, probably would take some getting used to but I think it would be better for posture and also would eventually feel great.
I have started to try that and it feels good and right to play in that position.
I have tried supports but they can’t quite seem to be able to position the guitar central across your body, they are either one side or another.
thats sort of the point, the guiar isn't supposed to sit straight acrossed your body, because you actually have to roll your shoulder over your instrument much further this way, and while some musicians might make it look natural, it probably has more to do with habit and playing style then ergonomics, and if you arent already doing it, there isn't a point to force yourself to play with the instrument in this fashion, often the seat you use will not be the perfect hight or even the same hight every time, so with foot pedals or these supports, it allows the player in any environment to elevate their insturment into a position that allows them a sturdy and memorable "base" to begin from, and then they can shift around from this ergonomic position, if the player starts with the instrument flat across them and sittin with both feet straight, they are unlikely to be playing with any sort of feel or doing any sort of precision playing or fingerstyle, because the instrument is just often going to be too far away from the body if it sits all the way down on the lap without having some angle to it. thats why its an exception to see players do that and not a rule, and what is more important that the "perfect" position, is to do physical therapy, and don't play in any position for more that 20 or 30 mins without a break. i have to shift all over to different spots, and i am battling pain more for the fact that I don't do enough corrective and strengthening to combat the playing and sitting that i do. So exercise more and take breaks, relax your breath and try to catch yourself slouching, if the position you begin in has your slouching over, you are not going to be able to correct it by putting a stick in your back and trying to fight your natural posture, you will need to be posturally accurate, and what you will notice is the musicians you reference are old school. old school individuals have a naturally more upright posture because of the lack of technology that has us looking down and slouching, so don't try to be something you aren't because you saw it on tv. Pedals and footstools are necessary and very helpful in this.
@@Lagger-HD The way I described across the body with the guitar on right thigh, clutching the guitar without support ie Scott Tenant’s position now-I find it the best because nearly all other forms we have the problem that the feet are not firmly on the floor evenly and one has to cater for guitar going in between the legs, which creates unevenness. With this form it is comfortable as both feet are aligned together with feet firmly rooted on the ground and the sound hole is naturally aligned with the hands.
It even in my opinion seems to resonate the guitar better as the body is almost hugging it across the chest.
I feel grounded and much more comfortable with this way.
No temptation to play with toes lifted or anything like that, even with supports it seems to generate uneven positions like that with the tendency to raise the guitar with lifting your right ankle or tendency to want to bring the guitar closer. Footstools especially had been troublesome to me in creating this tension and unevenness.
Yes agreed with what you are saying about breaks and relaxing though very important.
I am naturally not very good at guitar, as a result have been adjusting my form experimenting more than anyone else would in my opinion.
If one is naturally good one doesn’t question the way it has always been done as they don’t have to question their guitar positioning and ergonomics as much as someone who can’t quite get to grips and feel at ease with the instrument 😊
I also feel this is the most natural position, holding the guitar this way feels like a natural embrace. Check out also Flavio Sala and Ricardo Gallén, they also rest the guitar on their right thigh (Ricardo, with legs crossed like flamenco guitarists) and play like nobody’s business…!!!
@@Soberan yes agree but the cross legged position I find I found is quite uncomfortable as you have to lean over like with most flamenco players.
For me it has to be on the right thigh but steadied by the right arm in some way with pads on the back of the guitar as well as the butt to stop it sliding of the body.
Michael Chapdelaine adopted this really well also seems common with South American players not so much (but some) flamenco players.
Murata used to be called the AdjuStar in the 1980's.Been using mine since 1986. Make sure people know that vinyl melts lacquer finishes if the two come in contact.
I like your Dominelli guitar. Marcus made a very nice 640mm walnut and spruce one for me a few years ago.
Just listened to your videos & you sound GREAT, Hans!
@@markcohen8770 still learning, Mark. Thanks for the encouragement. I just started using the Woodside support. I like it better than the others I have, which you also mention. Great improvement! I sold my Murata once I had a raised fingerboard guitar.
Would these scratch or damage the gloss of the guitar
Over a long period of time it would make a slight frosty sort of patina at the edge where you grip the guitar. But it would be very slight. Key point is to remove the support when not using it. In our experience, very little impact to the finish.
Interesting review. I have a Murata but miss being able to get a really steep angle. I'm 6' 5" so the higher the better. Woodside do have an extension unit. I've ordered a Woodside so fingers crossed......
Eric told me about that after I did the review. Let us know if it does the trick for you!
The Murata is made from cheap materials. One of the wingnuts was wobbly. I've noticed that the thread on the adjustment screw was getting stripped. Sure enough, today the thing won't tighten. It's less than two years old.
One of the improvements with the Woodside is the ability to pivot in any direction. The Murata only has one pivot axis.
i often wondered why classical guitars dont have a simple guitar strap screw set up, like most acoustics. i guess even mentioning this is a total reason to burn in hell. RIGHT ?
still i like the looks and application of the woodside guitar support , so it is on my next guitar list thing to buy.
At the @brandonacker chanel You can watch a tip, how to attach a button to the guitar. Emotionally I cannot make a hole with my hand in the guitar, so I'm using HBStrap - it holds on the guitar with help of hooks that hold the resonator hole. The hooks are protected by fabric, so they do not damage the wood.
I found the extension to be needed and worked poorly. Quite glitchy and obviously an afterthought.