This Beautiful Country Music Artist Never Made It But He Should Have. Watch This & You'll Know Why
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- I love this story and have deep respect for Herbie Howell, the performer who I filmed way back in 1969. I have posted this clip before but the algorithm is completely ignoring it and sharing it with no viewers. I believe some of you would find his story meaningful and so I am posting it again.
My documentary team and I went to Nashville, Tennessee in 1969 to film the Nashville country music scene, performances at the Grand Ole Opry and behind the scenes stories as well. It was all in celebration of the 45th anniversary of the Opry. We got the chance to film the greatest country, bluegrass, old-time, mountain music singers and songwriters and dancers and the result of our efforts became the documentary feature film Nashville Sound, now a classic.
We recorded stars like Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, Johnny Cash, Charlie Pride, Earl Scruggs, Bill Monroe, Porter Wagoner and so many others. And then there was Herbie Howell. A sweet man. A wonderful singer and songwriter. And we filmed him just as he was getting his break with one of the most powerful agents and managers in country music. He left Nashville feeling that he was on his way to country music stardom or at least success. It didn't happen.
I don't know why the RUclips algorithm has been ignoring this story so I decided to present it again to my subscribers and other viewers now in honor of Herbie Howell and all of the unknown but great country music/bluegrass/mountain music talents who come largely from the southern states of America to Nashville, to seek their fortunes.
I would like to thank the advertisers who place their ads on this video helping me to get the income I need to keep presenting clips for my archive. They include: country music fans. Country bands. Saving country music. Grand Ole Opry. Earl Scruggs. Easy country songs to play on guitar. Old country love songs. Nashville record companies. Nashville recording artists.
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As you all know, Earl Scruggs did "Make it" and I am proud to have made a documentary on him. Earl Scruggs with Doc Watson, Bob Dylan, Bill Monroe, The Byrds, Joan Baez and others -ruclips.net/video/OlneqC0mVsk/видео.html
This guy had an infectious smile and laugh. Even though he didn't make it in the industry, I bet he inspired a lot of other people throughout his life. Hell, his positivity and can-do attitude is inspiring me as I watch this.
He did succeed in country music by teaching young people guitar. He also performed in front of hot shots in Nashville in this documentary. He might not of made the big money but he made it in the form of teaching guitar and never giving up. Sad he died in a nursing home though. I'm not a fan of those places. Rip Herbie.
You should be proud of the fact that you captured this high point in his life. Most people don't even have that as a memory in their own head.
This is a real treasure. I had never heard of this guy. There's 10s of thousands of Herbie's out there. Almost famous. He could really sing.
What a nice and kind young man with high hopes and a good voice. I hope he had a good life back in Georgia.
I think about this guy from time to time… R.I.P. to this gentleman. He’s now rocking in God’s heaven.
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@99%Vegan i didn't reply to his comment..i knew something was fishy about that comment
Actually he's not in Heaven yet, of he makes it. He's asleep, waiting for Yeshuas return.
@@jeffcampbell2710 I dunno...my daughter almost died twice when her brain was swelling from the undetected brain tumour...she said she saw people who had died (aunties) and they spoke to her before she came back to life.
It's my belief that we go somewhere..I don't know where but maybe we go to where we were happiest ..or back to another life where we were happiest. Just my belief , mind you. You can believe what you want. I won't disagree.
Heaven? Have you seen him there?
Mr.Hoffman,
Thank you for reaching into your vault and sharing Herbie’s story. You had a unique and authentic way of capturing Herbie’s dream. You can sense his drive and determination in the film. No frills. It was hard to hear how you regretted not reaching back out to him through the years. Going through the overwhelming speed of life- we are all just trying our best. You came through in the end for Herbie. You should know that.
He got to teach so many people to play music. How wonderful! I wonder how things may have been different, how many would have missed his teaching had he gone on to top the charts. Another bit of humanity we are happy you’ve shared!!
Best,
M
TY for telling his story. Blessing to see a genuine positive force on this planet. I think he had his dream come true that day. No bitterness later, he just kept sharing his love of music. I hope his family knows & appreciates how great he was. Some people just beam happiness & positive vibes. We/I often miss out by whatever happens....😢
@@Jewels122003 much agreed . Hof is the man 🎥
I own a dvd of the whole film that David did. Herbie's story was one of the themes. The whole film is fantastic look at the scene as it was in Nashville in the late 60's. Superb piece of work David Hoffman. A time capsule.
Though it's sad, Herbie's story will always be one of my all time favorites, his endearing smile makes this clip cheerful, and I'll watch every time, as it never gets old to me!✌
Thank you. Hoping herbie’s decendents find this record. Priceless to them. Priceless for us to see what was happening at that time and place.
What a talented guy/ musician he was very friendly and sweet person, I'm only sorry that he didn't get to become famous and world wide known back then like he should have and deserved to be. Now because of your video David people will get to see Herbie's talent and personality shine through in this and what the world was like back then, thank you David and RIP Herbie 🌹🙏
Such sweetness in his voice, his smile, his lyrics, his guitar. Imagining a world just a little different than the one we live in, where Herbie Howell made it big in country music. Thank you David Hoffman for your sharp eye and open heart.
He had a beautiful voice and unique way of writing. Sad that he passed away. I’m sure there are many many stories like his. ❤
I don't think he really, truly failed. Passed on his knowledge to so many others. Who knows how many of them were blessed and moved on to bigger things because of this man. Unfortunate as his story is, he did a lot of good in my book.
My son, Ryan Trotti, is moving to Nashville like Herbie to chase his dream as a singer-songwriter!!! 🤠🛻🎶
He left behind his big office job in NC for the smokey bars several years ago. He is the happiest I have ever seen him. He said "Mom, I want to do music til I take my last breath." So with that determination and hard work, I pray he will be in the 1/100 of 1% to make it big and that his music will touch many many hearts!!🎶❤🙏
RIP Herbie
Great documentary
What a great memory, this is epic and yes he has a really great voice. Thankyou for this wonderful historic occasion. Thankyou David.
What a nice and true voice, such a humble personality!!!
These docs from the past of yours David are head and shoulders above the rubbish we get now. Herbie seemed a real nice guy on the phone to his wife brought a smile to my face..
Love this!!! Nothing better than seeing someone go for it! Thank you for sharing this part of his story. You honored him by telling it so well.
So He did make it, on to Utube, the Son every Mother would love to have, appreciate you showing us this wonderful life story brings back memories we can not forget, Chow 🎁
His voice gave me goosebumps ,such a nice voice
Nashville's been crushing dreams for a long time. He had a good attitude!
Wow!! He had a bass player and a drummer in a box? Whoa that’s kewl!! Great story
Definitely talented. RIP Herbie. 😍
Such a touching story about a wonderful man.
I live just outside Nashville. Can confirm. Met a lot of people just like him. I know a lot of people just like him. "Making it" is a double edge sword. You don't know the test you will go through. What you think is a curse is really a blessing.
I don't work in the entertainment industry, so I don't know what they didn't hear in this man, but he sounds good to me. I'm surprised he didn't make it.
They pressed a single for him! It just didn't sell. I've heard it here on RUclips, and I think they failed to capture the magic of his live performances.
I think there are sooo many who can sing and pick a guitar, that one must have something really, REALLY special to "make it." Takes MORE THAN TALENT. For some, tons of CHARISMA. Quite a vocal range, unusual quality. Some people just say that whatever "IT" is they'll take that...
A lot of it is sex appeal.Now days they use Auto-Tune,so even if you can't sing very well but look good,you'll get a lot more yes's.
Not good looking enough probably
@@Cam-vz2zk I mean, yeah, maybe. Though country music has always been kind to ugmos. Hank Williams Jr. and Waylon Jennings weren't particularly handsome and they did okay. Johnny Cash was maybe handsome in a tough way when he was starting out, but he wasn't no Rudy Valentino.
What a great story and then an acknowledgement of "Why didn't I follow up with him???" I hope he had a great life.
This was excellent. So well captured. The editing marvelous. The subject, Herbie, very likable, very sweet. I was impressed by his writing skills. Thank you for sharing David, you are remarkable! 👍
Thank you Mr. Hoffman for sharing this film. Herbie did make it. 🌱💛
He was so thrilled that you were making his film! What a sweet soul. I'm so happy I watched this.😍😍😍😍
Capturing these moments is priceless. I loved every minute.
What a great documentary! I was rooting for Herbie the whole time. He has a great voice and is a great song writer, IMO. Sorry to hear that he never made it big in the music industry, but I hope he enjoyed what he did anyway. He seems like a great and deserving guy.
Damn, Hoffman! You had a genius for capturing Americana on film decades ago! Sorta reminds me of my own Nashville experience back in 1982. I was a "big fish in a small pond" in Pensacola and figured it was time to try my luck in Nashville. It didn't take me long to realize there were guys who'd been waiting tables and doing menial jobs for years while they hustled for their big break, and who forgot more about music than I'll ever learn. While we certainly hear about the ones who "make it", we seldom hear about the majority who don't. By the way, are you still searching for "Americana?" Is there any left these days?
I think John Sebastian felt much the same,hence the song Nashville Cats
I remember doing studio work in Nashville in the 90s, I was a hot rod player, used to cover tons of SRV cover bands, and Hendrix songs, well I went to LA to do session work, and there was literally ppl at the hamburger stands, or working at macdonalds who sounded like van Halen, it was incredible experience to see how flooded with talent the area was, it's the same in Nashville but the genres are different, and it's the same talent in various cities but music tastes it's what's different. Like I couldn't get a job for long in those towns because of the pool of talent is so large without compromising my tastes in music and having to play nonstop crying in my beer country or twanging out with a telecaster. But, going to Austin I could make so much more money and be completely swamped in gigs, and getting pulled in every direction, just because of the type of music I was best at, which was Texas blues, but I grew up playing bluegrass in VA, so I grew up on Tony Rice, and other flat pickers, and finger picking like Jerry Reed stuff, so that's what I had to play in Nashville to get gigs, Merle Travis, Chet stuff, but down south it was way more freeing to play, and I ended up there for years, because like you said, big fish small pond, and when they treat you like a star everywhere you go, it's hard to break away and see reality until your forced to. Those days are long gone, and at least I can say I was there once, even playing in stage with famous ppl, such a Leon Russell, Atlanta rhythm section, Bruce Hampton, all were great ppl, and incredible talent to share musicianship with, and taught me so much what being a true professional is like.
man -you nailed it - everytime I think I'm a " good" guitar player - I go see someone who is
@@shable1436 way cool - my friend Tim Wilson loved ARS - said those dudes were good people + I need to go to Austin - im a Robert Earl , Joe Ely , Todd Snider acolyte - I'm a professional horseman so I think I'd fit in - but this is probably a dream - oh well - I'll keep my amp on Hi and my bar down low - It'll be alright as long as I've got a little smoke - err brown liquor - and my dog
So glad I stumbled across this video while surfing youtube tonight. I've been playing in bar bands for 30 years. Playing locally has always been good enough for me since I've got a day job that I love, but I have so much respect for anyone who dares to really go for it. I once warmed up for David Allan Coe who was a Shelby Singleton protege. He is the 1/100 of 1 percent Shelby is talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if Herbie actually had a more satisfying life teaching kids to play guitar than Coe has had trying to stay relevant. This is a beautiful film! Thank you, David.
Godspeed, Herbie. You were a good man.
I loved this sweet story when you shared it with us before. Thank you for re-posting, David. This one is well-deserving of a repeat watch!
This film is a great piece of artwork!! You could feel his excitement when he smiled and sang, I bet was cool to hang out with him - Thank you David Hoffman for putting this on youtube for us to enjoy
What a humble and down homw young man. You just have to be happy for him.
I said WOW as soon as he started singing - he was great - i really wonder how he didnt make it big - but he still went on and gave joy to all that heard his music and songs and all he taught to play guitar
Awww he's adorable.
I'd a been a little kid when this was made.
I'm old and dusty now with some kids around the age he is in this, makes me think of them in such a situation. His innocent excitement.
Maybe it's a lucky thing he didn't make it, considering what that business often does to people whether or not they "make it".
I grew up in L.A., and I've seen too much of what happens to people who get used and spit out. Not something I'd wish on my kids.
But hey, he was grown. Had a beautiful voice & obviously it was his dream.
I hope he lived a blessed life.
The music business isn’t just tough; it’s brutal. So many things have to come together at the right time and often the issue of talent isn’t even near the top.
I made a living writing and singing for decades; I made a lot of friends and made a good living. But if I am able to talk someone out of getting into this business I do. Because if I can talk them out of it they don’t need to be in it. It’s too hard and too heartbreaking. It has chewed up and spat out more talented people than I.
I'll be listening to Herbie thanks to you Dave. Even though it is tragic you couldn't catch up with him again, we have this beautiful moment in time to immortalize him by. What an incredibly beautiful man.
That story has it all: Inspiration, Drive, Bathos, Talent and a sad ending. Thank You.
Very talented..I'd buy his records!! He can play and sing...it's hard to believe he didn't make it
He has a wonderful voice! ♥️🇨🇦
That was a fantastic video. You are right, Herbie oozed kindness. I was 26 years old in 1969. Laughing, I also had flat tires and blowouts and tight situations, so I relate to his struggles. I didn't realize they had all that and Equipment back then. I like this volkswagen, I owned many and some had the passenger seat removed for storage. It is wonderful you made this video and paid tribute to the man. Makes you wonder how many others as good or better t h a n Herbie that didn't even get this much attention. Being a good man, I am sure Herbie has passed down his stellar qualities of a human being.
Great to see pure joy in a person's face. For a minute, his every dream was true. He wouldn't have ever gotten that experience if he kept putting off his passion. Btw.. I think he sounded great. Lots of politics in the music business. He had talent.
I loved this as I was smiling broadly as he was calling his wife! 😊thx David!❤
Its heartbreaking to know there are likely billions of brilliant musicians out there who never got a fair chance at the spot light. If only Herbie would've had the technology we have today. Who knows what masterpieces he could've given the world without needing a record label to publish his music.
Great voice! So sad he passed away. I am sure he had a great life. Not in the lime light but still.
GREAT FILM! Herbie was an Outstanding performer and "he takes a lot of pride in what he is"
Thank you for your amazing story!
My Uncle went to Nashville-in the early 70’s Johnny Cash sent for him through an article he saw titled “NO HANDS GUITARIST SINGS HIS OWN SONGS” or something like that... Johnny sent for him Joanne Johnny’s sister was the one who handled all the paperwork Johnny was so impressed that he had Uncle Joe play on the Wilburn Brothers show with Loretta Lynn he met KITTY Wells backstage he had a real story to tell unfortunately he passed at the age of 88 a few years back but he was still selling his CDs he was still singing to the nurses and then he passed a couple days later. So that’s good that Herbie kept it up and taught many many children how to play guitar that’s awesome he had a real gift for it obviously!!!
I once met Roy Clark and he told me “I think I had an 8X10 of your Uncle!
When Joe played a song for Johnny and his family called “HOME ON THE MOUNTAIN “ Johnny put that song on HOLD ... pretty kewl I say- My Uncles scrapbook was included in the Johnny Cash exhibit- sadly that was one of the buildings that was majorly flooded in Nashville with the big flood in 2010
Ole Herbie had a nice voice and some nice songs. Surprised he didn't make it in the music industry. I'm sure he found his true calling touching other's in his life's journey. Nice smile Herbie.
You never cease to amaze with the varied kinds of documents you captured David. Thank you.
How incredible. I hope his family has recordings of his music. Your film might be the only ones?
Oh yes, the kid could really sing! Country music is very much not my thing, but he sang his first demo in such a full and smooth rolling voice, perfect match for this style of music. And he adds little embellishments to the same three chords at the core of country music, so his guitar arrangement doesn't sound dull as most of accompaniments. I even got into it and started tapping the rhythm, while most often than not hearing country music makes me cringe... Until the very end I hoped he would make it...
It was the producer's fault and not Herbie's that his only single had sunk off the charts. They run a freaking conveyor, literally, a meat-grinder, they don't care. He was sent to a second-grade recording studio with a tired, underpaid, below-average recording engineer who hardly bothered to even get more than two takes, then the tapes were sent to an equally underachieving mastering engineer, then cut, press, fail. Production guys worth their salt are working with those who made it to the album production level. I used to work with a recording equipment manufacturer, and I've seen it first-hand. I can mix and master better that 9 out of 10 of these guys, and I was only a DSP EE. And recording, mixing and mastering makes a whale of the difference in the final master, it's no less important than the musician's performance!
The recording industry is called _industry_ for a reason. “Welcome my son, welcome to the machine!”-what Herbie didn't really achieve was become “another brick in the wall...” Maybe for the better, who knows. Not everyone can bear it. So many artists end up abusing alcohol and drugs, while we, the engineers who invent and design their boxes, exceptionally rarely do. That's certainly not a coincidence, too.
R.I.P. Herbie. It's been only a few hours since your latest world-wide release, and already more than 3,500 people came to hear your singing. Many thousands more are yet to hear it. You've finally made it, kid, you've always known you would, and you've made it!
My third time watching this and still my favorite short documentary. You were definitely lucky to find Herbie, and so are we.
Playing music is just something you’ve gotta do. Some ppl are trying to make it but most are just doing what they’ve got to do.
I really enjoyed the film.
After I wrote my comment, I read other ones below expressing almost the exact same sentiments that I did. It appears unanimous then, we all loved Herbie.
What a lovely and talented man. The music industry is hard to break into, and it is a tough haul even if you get a chance. I’m sorry he didn’t make it, but glad he got this wonderful experience along the way. Thank you David, for keeping his moment alive.🖤🇨🇦
I remember this and never forgot it. Powerful thanks!
Herbie’s story is not unlike many countless others out there. For every major country music star in Nashville, there are a thousand Herbies. That being said, I think Herbie had more talent than a lot of today’s country music stars have. Maybe if he had worked his way up by starting out on one of the many small independent record labels in the south at that time, he might have found more success under Nashville’s bright lights.
As a struggling musician myself, this particular video really resonated with me. I haven't reached the point yet where I'm either confident or desperate enough to try to gain exposure, but I feel the pressure building within me every moment of every day.
Mr. Howell seemed like a really, genuinely, warm-hearted man. He had a dream, and he went after it. Even with failure staring him in the eyes, he smiled. Add to that the fact that I genuinely enjoyed the music that I heard.
Rest gently, friend.
Thank you so much for this one, Mr. Hoffman. This really is something special.
Cheers from Kentucky!
Nashville in the house!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Herbie was a very talented fellow. I think he deserved a break.
He has sort of a Bobby Goldsboro sound to his voice.
I was thinking the same. Bobby was popular around this time..
for sure
God bless Herbie, may he rest in peace. And thank you, without this film I wouldn’t have known who he was.
David, I will watch this everytime it appears. 1969 and 1970 must have been good years. This excerpt is one of your best in my opinion. It reminds me alot of Erol Morris but also a bit of Heartworn Highway.
Teaching 3000 kids to play guitar is really something to be proud of. So is taking the chance in Nashville in the first place
Herbie was a talented guy.......... success can be really tough..... talent, + The right song at the right time........and proper promotion is a big gamble. At the same time, can Herbie say he really failed?? He may have not had a big radio hit, but he got to keep music as a part of his life for years, inspiring the next generation.
Thanks for this David! Living in this town now it's a different spirit - the desperation and hopes met or lost lie now in real estate and pseudo-culture capital. Amazing work sir!
I haven't been on the Tubes lately, but I made you my first stop ...
thank YOU, David Hoffman, Filmmaker ... appreciate and admire your work
Keep ‘em coming. And thank you. Much love to you from Nashville. 👍🏻
He seemed like such a genuinely kind and talented guy. To be a "gentle spirit" and driven at the same time can be a tricky combination, maybe especially in the music business. I can relate. Thanks for sharing your film with us.
Sad but wonderful at the same time ❤
❤ Thank you for sharing this video. I had never heard of Herbie, But after seeing this video, I looked into more information on Herbie and found that he was born the same year as I. I wish he could have made it in the music field. He had a beautiful voice and was so friendly! I too tried to make it in Country music. And recorded a few records, but never made it either. I sang at Ernest Tubb's Record Shop a couple of years trying to get that big break. At least I gave it a try. There's a LOT of great singers out there that never gets the chance to be heard. Thank you again! 😊
Thanks for sharing this.
Is guitar playing is very clean. He sings well enough and could write a song on the spot.
20 years ago I was playing in an originals band, then in a tribute band, the dream was to make money on the side while I worked, most of the time we played for free for the "exposure" In the end the bands broke up and nothing. For the time I used for practice and rehearsals, I could have easily completed a double degree lol
🙏🏼💝🌻
THIS WAS SWEET~
Yes I am GLAD you brought it to light 😢
Very❤WARMING.
ONCE AGAIN TY 4 SHARING!
Thanks for this video. Herb had a great look and sound. He was hard working and very talented. There are thousands and thousands just like him that regrettably never get heard by the masses. Everyone can’t and won’t become a famous singer/musician. I don’t get it. Nashville said Willie sang funny and he went back to Texas to do his thing, they turned down George Strait and Garth Brooks and many others too. But that doesn’t mean Herb wasn’t successful or didn’t touch lives. This story just touched my life in 2022. So Herb is still at working his craft.
Thank you Herb.
David, I really enjoyed your interview with Herby! He reminded of a mix between Bobby Goldsboro and Glen Campbell! Excellent!💫
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He was good , reminds me of Bobby Goldsboro. His writing is good too maybe could use a bit of polishing but he has a perfect 60's melancholy country vibe. I believe he absolutely had what it took to make it. And that's what is so sad about an industry that can chew you up and spit you out! It broke my heart when he couldn't get help with a stool and a drink of water! Shelby Singleton knew what he had also, but it's still such a crap shoot for him also. It takes more than talent and a contract, all the stars need to align. I just wish we could have seen his wife's reaction! Wow brilliant piece of film making lettings us all live vicariously through Herbie! I'm moved! Rip Herbie ans thank you Mr. Singleton for giving him his shot!
I was thinking of Booby Goldsboro too. It seems a lot of "successful" artists bring something new when they start out. Herbie almost seems to be mimicking B.G. I wonder if he was a B.G. fan? Yet good for Herbie. At least he tried and got the answer he was looking for.
This was especially poignant to me since Augusta is my home town. In 1969 Herbie was 26 and I was 21 and playing in a couple of folk and old-time music bands in Germany in the Air Force. I was hoping for a happy ending, but maybe Herbie was happy teaching all those kids to play guitar and seeing his kids grow up. Enjoyed the video.
I love this guy 💖
Thank you for capturing these intricate emotions. I'm in tears :)
it’s amazing to see the one of the happiest moments of someone’s life documented so well
This story is worth a country song in itself...
Why all the sadness in the comment section? This man did something that 99% of us only wish we had the balls to do; he chased his dream with unrequited passion and what a story he had to draw upon at the end. Most men live lives of quiet desperation. RIP Herbie.
Thank you. This is a fascinating film which captures so much about an era. The subject is also a really genuine and
decent southern gentleman.
I liked your original posting of this film and I like it even more now. Thank you.
Thank you so much Anthony.
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Both of his songs had...his voice too...A hook that caught me. He had something that with good advice and hard work...He could most certainly have made it. Had a career. Yeah, he definitely had it. The smile on the lady's face, while he sang, was a good barometer. A Star in the rough is a hard thing to spot...Someone missed this one. He didn't miss his chance. He had what it took. It was the music business that missed the chance.
The little bit I heard, I loved, he could have been a star. Thank you for sharing.
Nigel has an incredible voice and diction ...
Herbie did make it. maybe not like he expected but his name will be remembered forever because of this film while millions of others who tried to make it are known only to their remaining family.Herbie seemed like a nice guy with a unique voice and songwriting talent. but so much is luck with all the pieces of the puzzle having to fall in exact order for a career in music to take off. theres tons of talent out there and it's sad that so much of it is ignored unless they're considered to a big "star".
Thanks for sharing this, David. I thoroughly enjoyed it. This man had a terrific attitude. Beautiful guitar too!
Wow. Thank you for this piece of history.
what a gentleman and true talent he was
That boy was a hundred times better than what Nashville is pumping out today.
He’s a lovely man and singer!!
He is a better than a lot of the country singers that have made it.
Wow, this is special. Thanks David, much love