That's a big difference between a company standing behind their machinery (Deere) and one that's just "get the warranty work done as quick and easy as possible" (New Holland). I think you hit the nail on the head-- NH was more worried about your VOCALIZING you problems and putting them on RUclips for anybody to see rather than they were about actually making sure you had a machine that would hold up for you that you could rely on (the No-Rower). A good dealer makes a big difference. I think Messicks has probably done everything they reasonably could for you, without taking it in the shorts themselves... They tried fixing the No-Rower and the company said, "replace the pump" or whatever after all that bronze had run through the system from stem to stern, hoping that you didn't know any better and would think it was "good enough"... they gambled you didn't know that a hydraulic system contaminated from one end to the other with brass shavings is living on borrowed time. The alternative was to bring the machine in and rebuild it from stem to stern to get all the bronze shavings out of it, which the labor would probably be worth more than the machine was worth, so it would probably have been better to just scrap it for parts at that point, since darn near EVERYTHING on the machine was hydraulic... Messicks ultimately couldn't do more than the company was willing to pay for unless they were just gonna eat the cost themselves, and a dealer can't really afford to do that. The fact that they stood behind the header and brought out a new header frame on the baler when it was relatively new (and the company SHOULD have stood behind it again once that beam split and messed it up, since it was welded in facing the wrong direction) says a lot. I got a "Monday morning tractor" one time myself... when we bought our second New Holland 5610S tractor in January of 2000, it ran great and did the winter tillage just fine-- til I did some bush-hog work for a neighbor cutting some dense bahia grass for their family reunion at his place. The PTO quit about halfway through the job and the hydraulics wouldn't work either. The tractor ran and shifted just fine (with an 8 speed manual transmission I wouldn't expect it not to, not like a powershift that has to have hydraulics to work). I called the dealer and he sent a truck 100 miles down here and hauled it back. They started working on it and found the aluminum hydraulic pump casing was eaten up by shavings, so they replaced the hydraulic pump and filters, flushed the system, replaced the oil, and checked it out, everything was okay, and sent it back, thinking that it must've not been properly cleaned of machining shavings at the factory. I got it back and ran the PTO on another job, and within hours it did it again. They sent the truck after it again, hauled up there, and tore it down-- same thing AGAIN. They KNEW they had flushed the casings of shavings and flushed the system of shavings when they had it up there, and so they started digging deeper into the source of the shavings-- turns out that some idgit didn't machine the PTO thrust bearing bore the proper depth, and when the PTO was engaged it was under SUCH pressure that it was grinding out shavings to "make it's own clearance" because the thrust bearing was basically frozen solid. They had to replace the center differential casing housing of the tractor with a new one that was machined properly, clean and flush everything out, replace the hydraulic pump again and put new oil in the entire system AGAIN, checked it out and everything was fine, sent it back and I put it through its paces with PTO work AGAIN and this time, NO PROBLEMS. The dealer stood behind the sale 100% and took care of the problem 100% under warranty. That was worth A LOT. Of course this was LONG before the Case/New Holland merger and New Holland being bought out by Fiat (which I think is a LOT of their problems, actually). We did most of our row crop work with that tractor (and used the other slightly older NH tractor for backup and chemical application since we had the tank and spray system mounted on it) and never had any more problems... and that's been 17 years ago now. Thing is, MOST companies don't stand behind their products like they USED to, period. I had to go a few rounds with Ford on my 02 SuperCrew F-150 about a year after I bought it (and bought the buy-up warranty) when I had some issues-- so I have been kinda soured on buy-up warranties ever since... as equipment becomes MORE expensive and MORE complex, with MORE to go wrong, though, the more important those buy up warranties become... and a company that STANDS BEHIND their product is worth FIVE who just give a passing care about their customers and standing behind their machines... Later! OL J R :)
Waiting for that wee bar too load would be a pain in the arse, especially when you have to restart in the field etc. as you said. However I think it might encourage me to do a few more prestart checks. Climb in, ignition on, and instead of waiting for the bar take a minute to clean your mirrors or check your oil or hydraulic fluid level
All this time I been wondering who you reminded me of....Tim off moonshiners. Another great video I grew up on a farm watching these videos reminds me of my early years
Wes, you can change the default home screen page in the settings, this will stop it going to video first!, Also our machine will fire right up / drive way before the greenstar terminal is ready....
I love John Deere compared to other company service and how they keep track of your service and equipment. I also here a lot of good things about Case IH. but of course I don't have an opinion on them because I don't own one. my only problem with John Deere is how long it can take to get a mechanic/tech out here for equipment . Could be a few days maybe a month.
Good honest response video about the John Deere machine. Did they replenish the oil lost with the pipes and oil cooler problems? (Or are they considered consumables in this context?) Do you have concerns about vermin getting into / onto your machine in the winter months and causing damage to things like electric cabling and such like?
Right on. New Holland has had the attitude for decades that they own the hay equipment business. They should have checked their rear view mirror. I think you will like the Krone baler and would have liked the John Deere if you'd decided to go that way.
+Bill Whitman You're 100% right with that statement 'New Holland has had the attitude for decades that they own the hay equipment business' because back in 1950s, 60s, and especially the 70s the only hay machinery you ever brought was New Holland every other manufacturer was still playing catch up, as soon as CNH Industrial took over the New Holland the quality hasn't never been the same as the earlier years, Bill I agree with what you said about Wes liking the Krone baler, because German engineering is still excellent and Krone been family owned and concentrating only on hay and harvesting machinery I believe he'll be blown away by it's performance!
I agree new holland has lost there monopoly in the baler market. We have always run nh round balers and one thing has become apparent to us, the fact that we are having to trade these POS's in with less and less bales on them as they are becoming more and more unreliable. For 3 seasons we have had nh field testers testing there prototypes in our business and they are not surprised at the amount of breakages we have. The main reason is head office increasing profit by using cheap inferior parts. All balers are farmer balers suited to doing 3000 bales a year max. There was talk of a contractors baler but it still hasnt happened.
still waiting for the Krone demo......... :):):) love youre videos youre an onest farmer with a smart head :) keep up the good work. greetings from Norway :)
Will Krone give you the same response that John Deere gives you if you have problems? Have you tried to contact Krone to see how they will respond to your concerns.?
***** You hit the nail right the head about Messicks been a Krone dealer, I've always been more than surprised that Wes hadn't taken time to inspect and take a thorough look at how well the Krone 1290 baler is built before he did that walk around on the Krone 2 weeks ago, especially with all the time he has spent at Messicks over the years, and people have been telling him for 3 years or more to take a good look at the Krone baler! One thing I always did when I was at home on the family farm any time we went to town especially to the local machinery dealer I'd always ask what was the latest in either tractors, balers and hay rakes, I can still remember one day I asked Doug Boston what was new? and he showed me these rubber mounted hay rake teeth for our NH 55 hay rake because the original teeth weren't rubber mounted so we starting using the rubber ones a whole lot better and we didn't break as many as the old steel ones! www.purplewave.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi?090624/2690
Jan Kotze Jan follow this link below and it will take you to KRONE NA, Inc.'s Photos and if you click through the photos you'll see Krone has toys as well the first picture is he Swadro 2000 is a center delivery rake that has 6 rotors and can rake up to 62’4” which I find amazing 62 feet raking width is pretty mind boggling! facebook.com/KroneHayEquipment/photos/pb.234292648622.-2207520000.1449014426./10153363500253623/?type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-xpt1%2Ft31.0-8%2F10842336_10153363500253623_5474908280137222592_o.jpg&smallsrc=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-xfa1%2Fv%2Ft1.0-9%2F11233549_10153363500253623_5474908280137222592_n.jpg%3Foh%3Dae95469cb0130a7a252a1160ed0c7750%26oe%3D56D53E33%26__gda__%3D1458438110_73c2883885db285433924a930b9dcf8c&size=2048%2C1365&fbid=10153363500253623
You should not have to wait for the green star to load it should just start straight away and you can change your home page in layout manager follow the green star manual
Nope not a farmer. Caught the fire and the fix; that got me hooked. I watch cause I have always had the impression you tell it like you see it. .Call it the not politically correct rather the plainly correct opinion.
+Tony Shaw try dawn dish soap with high pressure sprayer..dawn works great, try some on some thing and youl see what i mean, it needs a small amount of water hot or cold to make it work well for scrubing
Hey Wes, have you thought about asking JD to plug the computer in and try change the auto start up to camera mode. They may be able to do that. Or at least advise about it. That'll be on less annoyance Kim X
Which Messicks location do you deal with. I always go to the Carlisle, but I live in Newville so and now that they moved to 11 it is so much faster although. I miss the R&W that was their those were great people. Do you use the Elizabethtown with it being right above Lancaster.
I have a 4995 JD Windrower and my manual says the the the reverse function only works on the sickle auger head and not the rotary head. Not sure about the new ones though
This is funny my new car is the same way. I have to wait for the computer to get going. It really sucks when you are in a rush. It also has the annoying alarm to.
Our s670 head reverse, you have to be low throttle, you must have the header in before and you have to wait a second and then pull it back on the head reverser.
How long does it take in the regen in my semi if you have to do a manual regen it's taken up to 45 mins auto regen It'll do with no notice while driving down the highway.
You shouldn't have to wait for the screen to load. We run the exact same monitor in our R4030 sprayers and you never have to wait. Also just go into your layout manager and you can change what page is on your home screen at initial startup.
how do Wes most farmers have bin saying that for years for the company to come and talk to them about making the machinery work better for them put thay never lison to the farmers Wes you can keep trying but don't think it will ever happen. but good luck. from Andy in the UK.
seems like john deere needs to do some software stuff to fix most of the problems you have , my guess is that in a year or two they solved those prolems and upgraded the software it might help if you put the problems on the deere website , as some of those problems might not come up in their testing and they dont know about it
+Rodney Erdmann So a steam tractor you "just start up and go" right? ;) Computers have their place, you get more feedback, telemetrics and more options. It's how they are implemented that is the problem. Look at computers in their infancy, they were hard to work with. Error prone and full of (literally) bugs crawling (again, litterally) on the circuits. Then came the user interfaces (keyboards were made later) to aid in using them. A monitor was made to give you insight on what was actually going on and then came the visual user interfaces. Everything is a progression, it's not the computer's fault, it's the development stages fault. Without computers you wouldn't have what you have today and computers are a tool to aid in progression. Of course one can argue you don't need a computer to cut grass and i can agree with you on that. But a computer, done right, can make the experiences that much more pleasant and give you more options and features on the machine which in the end SHOULD lead to a better machine with higher throughput and safer (for the machine at least) operation.
+Senapspiser I don't know why they have to put computers on any of those things. And don't say it's so you know what is going on. You can tell when the headers on without a light turning on by just listening to the disc starting to spin or the load on the engine. You can tell by the sound at what speed the disc turn. The troubleshooting is something every should be able to do. If your losing oil pressure to the head. You aren't going to start to look at the injectors. You just simple jump out of the cap walk to the oil pump and lines. If theirs oil peeing out of a line found your problem. If that not the problem check everything from the oil pump to the drive motors. If theirs nothing wrong their it is the pump and you can start to tear it apart. Instead we put computers in their to tell us what the problem is and to keep us safe. It causes more issues like stopping an engine if a senser goes bad. Honestly the check engine light the stupidest thing. It so funny you can check the engine but the damn light still stays on. If you want to fix it your self you now must have a whole toolbox for electronical things.
YUP! We got by just fine with pulling the lever to put the seat back, adjusting the mirrors, maybe tilting the wheel to your liking (if you even had tilt wheel) and changing the radio station when we got in the car before we took off. Now they've convinced people that they NEED a computer to remember all your settings and do it all for you AUTOMATICALLY. Personally I don't care about all that crap. All I care about is having a good air conditioner that works (here in Texas it's practically essential!) and cruise control when I'm on the road for 12 hours straight. Otherwise the rest is FLUFF, pure and simple. Heck I don't even mind crank-type windows... or a manual transmission (neither of which you can hardly get anymore). All that electronic garbage is just "gee whiz" stuff to impress people and convince them to buy a car priced at 3-5 times what it's actually worth. I'm not impressed... the more of that garbage they put on there, the more there is to GO WRONG. All that junk is fine WHEN IT WORKS, but when it goes wrong, you've got PROBLEMS and you've got EXPENSE. It doesn't help that the companies make things 5 times more complex than they need to be to do the job... Like my wife's old 2000 Ford Escort. AC quit one day in the hottest part of the year and nearly parboiled her and our daughter going to/from her school. Troubleshooted it and found the compressor clutch got no power. Looked deeper, and found it was a transistor burned out in a "body control module" (one of a number of them) that would have cost $700 new plus installation... a $1200 job to fix a burned out transistor that cost $1.35 from Radio Shack... there was a description online about how to remove this body module, cut it open, find the burned out transistor, and solder in a new one for $1.35. I didn't even bother doing that. My old 77 Suburban had an AC (compressor) switch on the dash, a blower control (feeding power to the different segments of the blower motor resistor for speeds) and a low-pressure switch on the freon filter under the hood on the evap outlet, that cycled the compressor to keep the freon moving in the system depending on temperature and demand. THAT'S IT. No stupid "glob of goo" solid state switch sending a signal to a damned stupid computer sending a signal to a freaking body control module which turned on or off a stupid relay to send power to the friggin' AC compressor clutch. SO, I found the wire went from the dash switch on the Escort to the low pressure switch on the freon filter/drier, which then sent power to the BCM, which also got power from the high pressure switch (cutout switch-- the old systems didn't have this, but a freon high pressure relief valve that opened and let a spurt of freon out of the system if the high-side pressure got TOO high from overheating... but we can't have that anymore because it will destroy all life on Earth so now we have to have a stupid high pressure cutout switch instead). These controlled the BCM that controlled the transistor that controlled a relay to send power to the AC compressor clutch. I said to hell with all that friggin worthless junk, and simply ran a jumper wire directly from the low pressure freon switch on the filter/dryer down to the AC compressor clutch, wiring it like my old 77 Suburban was, and PRESTO, AC with NO PROBLEMS... I left the old malfunctioning BCM on there. Whole friggin' car was wired with chintzy little 'bell wire" instead of the usual automotive wire anyway-- just light duty small crap wire-- trying to cut corners. No wonder they only built the Escorts for one more year once they came out with that model-- they were JUNK! Think my next vehicle is gonna be OLDER.. sick and tired of all this overly complicated WORTHLESS CRAP... don't need a jelly knob telling the computer to send a signal to a BCM to operate a transistor to switch on a relay to do the job that a good old fashioned SWITCH with four feet of wire to connect it to the END COMPONENT is capable of doing WITHOUT all the added computerized SHIT to break down and F-up along the way... Later! OL J R :)
It's not computers, with emissions technology and super high fuel pressure it has to pre prime to fuel and DeF before it will start, the start up screen with the camera portion. The dealer should be able to remove that from the program.
We don’t have any tractors that have that display but we do run greenstar gps and those loading screens are normal on them just part of the system that is used
Wes John Deere has focus groups that help design the new equipment. The trouble around here is that the only fellows that go are the RICH BTO fellows/kids that want all the bells and computer whistles. They trade every year or two so durability is way down their list after toys to play with. As for your NH issues. Your really talking Fiat. They are well known for having lossey customer service in the car and construction divisions. Over time NH and CNH will be the same thing.
Sure you really have to wait for that bar to load ? I dont do that on my dads 6125R as the John Deere rep that delivered it told us i wasnt needed but dont do anything else until the computer are ready.
Sounds like that entitlement attitude to me... Just because you trash a company over and over very loudly and obnoxiously for thousands of people to see, doesn't mean you are entitled to having them call you and elicit your opinion on how to fix what may not even be an issue for a majority of their customers. Could it be that the things you are complaining about really don't matter to the average hay farmer? Maybe if you contacted them directly to address these concerns instead of trashing them publicly, you would get the response you seem to be seeking. Just an alternate opion...
+GrifFungin a company builds a machine that will not do what it is supposed to do and the average farmer wont notice? But yeah when the first videos about the no rower came out i also though Wes was being a bit over the top. But as things went on. i have to agree with his actions. About the public trashing, NH trashed themselves when they built that thing...
+GrifFungin I must respectfully disagree. Deere is known for its good customer service and as you know Wes has a lot of JD tractors and other equipment once a person gets spoiled it is hard do deal with average customer service. I did some research on Deere a few years ago and I admit I was surprised to find out that they are the larges equipment manufacture in the world. Good customer service is one of the key reasons for that. While I must disagree with you I still believe you have some very valid points.
+todd Brewer honestly I think if the most extreme farmers had the product loosely designed around with heavy duty parts, the machine will be indestructible for the average farmer. Yes he did abuse New Holland but I can see why. It gets out of hand when you can't use the machine that you've spent $90,000 plus or you repair a header upwards of 10 times.
I also disagree.... They should contact him. He is a known RUclips farmer who works with equipment, and knows what he needs. If you recall the case, and hesston balers have their own pickup design. They use dual chains on both sides. So if they can see that NH design sucks and they changed it but the rest of the baler is the same, then there's obviously a problem. Why wouldn't NH want Wes as a tester? Why wouldn't they want his honest opinion? It would make you pissed off too if you spent all that money and then the equipment keeps on failing over and over again. Causing you to drag it back home and to waste time and money fixing it. Tell me that wouldn't piss you the fuck off!
+Ro Jo that's why kubota has a very good reputation over the world with there 500,000 dealers all over plus good warranty thats why kubota business is growing bigger and less prices on equipment and great warranty
to the camrea problem. you might have the camera page selected as a home page. if you press the menu tab in the bottem right of the screen. click page layout. red icon I Belive. then at the top of the screen there should be a drop down menu that will say home page one. find the one that has the camera page on it. there will be a tick box that say. select in home page menu. Un tick that box. hope this help. if it does you'll have to give Me a shout out in your next video
Why bash on the people who build that equipment for you. I bet they have a farming background just like you do, and usually the way you treat your equipment depicts how long it can run at it's upmost potential. We still use john deere 630's and and 730's for everyday use on our farm along with our 8245R and 9410R and our other tractors.
Wes You said it at the end of the vid "come talk to farmers" its the only way a machine producer will hone the machine to a level that its the only one worth buying. And no i don't think your bashing companies your just man enough to stand up and say whats wrong with a bit of equipment that cost a lot of money.
Am I the only one who hates symbols on buttons? I understand that symbols may have worldwide recognition, but if your selling something in the US, just label what the button does
wes you should warm all your engions up for at least 5 minuts befor moveing them it alows the oil to run through the motor and get to running temp this gives any engion long jepidity so waiting for that screen shouldent be a problem i warm all my engines up and by doing so never have ishues
+obieezx11 because we've an r series and if you get into It and let the computer do it's thing and then drive it the engine doesn't scream at you like it does on the 30 series even after heating through the ignition
New Holland deserves what u gave them!!! They should of been right their to solve the problems an in the mean while brought u another one to run besides your old one
I get it is not personal but you paid for a machine that works. it's bs that you were in that situation they throw all that red tape and your the bad guy. I had a car that was a lemon for the first 6 months I got the car. let me tell you is scary as hell. it was the first cat I ever bought and I was freaking out that I'm sick with a car that doesn't work. on top of that the dealer tried taking advantage by selling me a new car and take more money from me on top of wasting my time doing bs repairs they know won't work
new Holland has never been on a high horse infact new Holland is two brands together new Holland hay equip and ford tractors new Holland is from scratch
+Travis Johnson In older vid someone had said something but and wes commented in said good look finding and he said it is out there you just have to find it. Why are keeping this from us it is stupid.
It's good to have someone like Wes out there speaking up and having their voice heard.
That's a big difference between a company standing behind their machinery (Deere) and one that's just "get the warranty work done as quick and easy as possible" (New Holland). I think you hit the nail on the head-- NH was more worried about your VOCALIZING you problems and putting them on RUclips for anybody to see rather than they were about actually making sure you had a machine that would hold up for you that you could rely on (the No-Rower).
A good dealer makes a big difference. I think Messicks has probably done everything they reasonably could for you, without taking it in the shorts themselves... They tried fixing the No-Rower and the company said, "replace the pump" or whatever after all that bronze had run through the system from stem to stern, hoping that you didn't know any better and would think it was "good enough"... they gambled you didn't know that a hydraulic system contaminated from one end to the other with brass shavings is living on borrowed time. The alternative was to bring the machine in and rebuild it from stem to stern to get all the bronze shavings out of it, which the labor would probably be worth more than the machine was worth, so it would probably have been better to just scrap it for parts at that point, since darn near EVERYTHING on the machine was hydraulic... Messicks ultimately couldn't do more than the company was willing to pay for unless they were just gonna eat the cost themselves, and a dealer can't really afford to do that. The fact that they stood behind the header and brought out a new header frame on the baler when it was relatively new (and the company SHOULD have stood behind it again once that beam split and messed it up, since it was welded in facing the wrong direction) says a lot.
I got a "Monday morning tractor" one time myself... when we bought our second New Holland 5610S tractor in January of 2000, it ran great and did the winter tillage just fine-- til I did some bush-hog work for a neighbor cutting some dense bahia grass for their family reunion at his place. The PTO quit about halfway through the job and the hydraulics wouldn't work either. The tractor ran and shifted just fine (with an 8 speed manual transmission I wouldn't expect it not to, not like a powershift that has to have hydraulics to work). I called the dealer and he sent a truck 100 miles down here and hauled it back. They started working on it and found the aluminum hydraulic pump casing was eaten up by shavings, so they replaced the hydraulic pump and filters, flushed the system, replaced the oil, and checked it out, everything was okay, and sent it back, thinking that it must've not been properly cleaned of machining shavings at the factory. I got it back and ran the PTO on another job, and within hours it did it again. They sent the truck after it again, hauled up there, and tore it down-- same thing AGAIN. They KNEW they had flushed the casings of shavings and flushed the system of shavings when they had it up there, and so they started digging deeper into the source of the shavings-- turns out that some idgit didn't machine the PTO thrust bearing bore the proper depth, and when the PTO was engaged it was under SUCH pressure that it was grinding out shavings to "make it's own clearance" because the thrust bearing was basically frozen solid. They had to replace the center differential casing housing of the tractor with a new one that was machined properly, clean and flush everything out, replace the hydraulic pump again and put new oil in the entire system AGAIN, checked it out and everything was fine, sent it back and I put it through its paces with PTO work AGAIN and this time, NO PROBLEMS.
The dealer stood behind the sale 100% and took care of the problem 100% under warranty. That was worth A LOT. Of course this was LONG before the Case/New Holland merger and New Holland being bought out by Fiat (which I think is a LOT of their problems, actually). We did most of our row crop work with that tractor (and used the other slightly older NH tractor for backup and chemical application since we had the tank and spray system mounted on it) and never had any more problems... and that's been 17 years ago now.
Thing is, MOST companies don't stand behind their products like they USED to, period. I had to go a few rounds with Ford on my 02 SuperCrew F-150 about a year after I bought it (and bought the buy-up warranty) when I had some issues-- so I have been kinda soured on buy-up warranties ever since... as equipment becomes MORE expensive and MORE complex, with MORE to go wrong, though, the more important those buy up warranties become... and a company that STANDS BEHIND their product is worth FIVE who just give a passing care about their customers and standing behind their machines...
Later! OL J R :)
amen these big companies should talk to the farmers. they would have no problem.
9:30 to 10:20 was the best message that any dealer could have. They really should listen to the farmers
Waiting for that wee bar too load would be a pain in the arse, especially when you have to restart in the field etc. as you said. However I think it might encourage me to do a few more prestart checks. Climb in, ignition on, and instead of waiting for the bar take a minute to clean your mirrors or check your oil or hydraulic fluid level
All this time I been wondering who you reminded me of....Tim off moonshiners. Another great video I grew up on a farm watching these videos reminds me of my early years
Wes, you can change the default home screen page in the settings, this will stop it going to video first!, Also our machine will fire right up / drive way before the greenstar terminal is ready....
I love John Deere compared to other company service and how they keep track of your service and equipment. I also here a lot of good things about Case IH. but of course I don't have an opinion on them because I don't own one. my only problem with John Deere is how long it can take to get a mechanic/tech out here for equipment . Could be a few days maybe a month.
Good honest response video about the John Deere machine. Did they replenish the oil lost with the pipes and oil cooler problems? (Or are they considered consumables in this context?)
Do you have concerns about vermin getting into / onto your machine in the winter months and causing damage to things like electric cabling and such like?
Another 2 cylinder video would be great, thanks.
Right on. New Holland has had the attitude for decades that they own the hay equipment business. They should have checked their rear view mirror. I think you will like the Krone baler and would have liked the John Deere if you'd decided to go that way.
+Bill Whitman You're 100% right with that statement 'New Holland has had the attitude for decades that they own the hay equipment business' because back in 1950s, 60s, and especially the 70s the only hay machinery you ever brought was New Holland every other manufacturer was still playing catch up, as soon as CNH Industrial took over the New Holland the quality hasn't never been the same as the earlier years, Bill I agree with what you said about Wes liking the Krone baler, because German engineering is still excellent and Krone been family owned and concentrating only on hay and harvesting machinery I believe he'll be blown away by it's performance!
So what are some of your winter projects?
I agree new holland has lost there monopoly in the baler market. We have always run nh round balers and one thing has become apparent to us, the fact that we are having to trade these POS's in with less and less bales on them as they are becoming more and more unreliable. For 3 seasons we have had nh field testers testing there prototypes in our business and they are not surprised at the amount of breakages we have. The main reason is head office increasing profit by using cheap inferior parts. All balers are farmer balers suited to doing 3000 bales a year max. There was talk of a contractors baler but it still hasnt happened.
wow!!!!! Wes is in full damage control just to hopefully get that trade value. I think this April has him by the balls.
you go Wes keep on farmin we will keep on watchin
still waiting for the Krone demo......... :):):) love youre videos youre an onest farmer with a smart head :) keep up the good work. greetings from Norway :)
You can start it straight up, but you will still have to wait for the GS3. And you just need to set your home pages properly.
Will Krone give you the same response that John Deere gives you if you have problems? Have you tried to contact Krone to see how they will respond to your concerns.?
+wi11y1960 Thats a great question. Since He is looking to buy a krone. Best find out now and not later when its needed asap.
Who knows. Krone could have the same track record as the NH baler. As in agree with Mr. Pandy but we have his money now, so who cares?
***** You hit the nail right the head about Messicks been a Krone dealer, I've always been more than surprised that Wes hadn't taken time to inspect and take a thorough look at how well the Krone 1290 baler is built before he did that walk around on the Krone 2 weeks ago, especially with all the time he has spent at Messicks over the years, and people have been telling him for 3 years or more to take a good look at the Krone baler! One thing I always did when I was at home on the family farm any time we went to town especially to the local machinery dealer I'd always ask what was the latest in either tractors, balers and hay rakes, I can still remember one day I asked Doug Boston what was new? and he showed me these rubber mounted hay rake teeth for our NH 55 hay rake because the original teeth weren't rubber mounted so we starting using the rubber ones a whole lot better and we didn't break as many as the old steel ones!
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+heyhey1956 Interesting story
Jan Kotze Jan follow this link below and it will take you to KRONE NA, Inc.'s Photos and if you click through the photos you'll see Krone has toys as well the first picture is he Swadro 2000 is a center delivery rake that has 6 rotors and can rake up to 62’4” which I find amazing 62 feet raking width is pretty mind boggling!
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You need a PTO and hitch to use the tedder as you mow and a front rake for the 8530 when pulling the baler
This is why im looking for another tractor in the age range that isnt overly computerised!!
You should not have to wait for the green star to load it should just start straight away and you can change your home page in layout manager follow the green star manual
Nope not a farmer. Caught the fire and the fix; that got me hooked.
I watch cause I have always had the impression you tell it like you see it.
.Call it the not politically correct rather the plainly correct opinion.
wes question for you did you call new Hollands headquarters in new Holland PA or was it your local new Holland dealer
I like your videos and l have a question I have been wanting to ask. What is a good cleaning solution to get old grease off ?
+Tony Shaw try dawn dish soap with high pressure sprayer..dawn works great, try some on some thing and youl see what i mean, it needs a small amount of water hot or cold to make it work well for scrubing
Thanks I will try that.
Hey Wes, have you thought about asking JD to plug the computer in and try change the auto start up to camera mode. They may be able to do that. Or at least advise about it. That'll be on less annoyance
Kim X
Which Messicks location do you deal with. I always go to the Carlisle, but I live in Newville so and now that they moved to 11 it is so much faster although. I miss the R&W that was their those were great people. Do you use the Elizabethtown with it being right above Lancaster.
Most of the R&W guys are still with us at our Biglarvillle location. :) Elizavbethtown is where he comes. We stock a good deal of parts there.
Do you guys have the 10% discount on all things in stock down there like Carlisle has.
Yes. All our locations due through January.
Till the end of January right
Yes. :)
I have a 4995 JD Windrower and my manual says the the the reverse function only works on the sickle auger head and not the rotary head. Not sure about the new ones though
The new Road tractors have so many computers that it take 8-10 seconds before starting.
You should be able to go into the display and change the home screen. At least you can do that on the combines.
Thank You Wes!!
+April Gainer your welcome
Plz Keep cranking out videos i enjoy watching your videos
did you rip april into the hay stack while she was there lol
Are you going to run that machine until the warranty is out? Or do you trade up every 2 years?
april seems like a pretty smart and cool person
So who is the JD dealer you deal with? Messicks?
This is funny my new car is the same way. I have to wait for the computer to get going. It really sucks when you are in a rush. It also has the annoying alarm to.
Our s670 head reverse, you have to be low throttle, you must have the header in before and you have to wait a second and then pull it back on the head reverser.
How long does it take in the regen in my semi if you have to do a manual regen it's taken up to 45 mins auto regen It'll do with no notice while driving down the highway.
crancking out vids is great in my book as i love the vids you slap up so a thumbs up from me!
its like that on the R series tractors. its just people being picky and stuff but no tractor is perfect :)
You shouldn't have to wait for the screen to load. We run the exact same monitor in our R4030 sprayers and you never have to wait. Also just go into your layout manager and you can change what page is on your home screen at initial startup.
how do Wes most farmers have bin saying that for years for the company to come and talk to them about making the machinery work better for them put thay never lison to the farmers Wes you can keep trying but don't think it will ever happen. but good luck. from Andy in the UK.
Can you do a tour of the farm
seems like john deere needs to do some software stuff to fix most of the problems you have , my guess is that in a year or two they solved those prolems and upgraded the software
it might help if you put the problems on the deere website , as some of those problems might not come up in their testing and they dont know about it
kinda random but do you still have your two New Holland combines? I remember watching one video with the two of them parked in that shed
that's technology for you.. these days to much stuff is run by computers. just saying...
+Kevin Willis I agree 100% If you had something without a dang computer, you simply start it up and away you go!!!
+Rodney Erdmann So a steam tractor you "just start up and go" right? ;)
Computers have their place, you get more feedback, telemetrics and more options. It's how they are implemented that is the problem.
Look at computers in their infancy, they were hard to work with. Error prone and full of (literally) bugs crawling (again, litterally) on the circuits.
Then came the user interfaces (keyboards were made later) to aid in using them. A monitor was made to give you insight on what was actually going on and then came the visual user interfaces.
Everything is a progression, it's not the computer's fault, it's the development stages fault.
Without computers you wouldn't have what you have today and computers are a tool to aid in progression.
Of course one can argue you don't need a computer to cut grass and i can agree with you on that. But a computer, done right, can make the experiences that much more pleasant and give you more options and features on the machine which in the end SHOULD lead to a better machine with higher throughput and safer (for the machine at least) operation.
+Senapspiser BINGO!!!
+Senapspiser
I don't know why they have to put computers on any of those things. And don't say it's so you know what is going on. You can tell when the headers on without a light turning on by just listening to the disc starting to spin or the load on the engine. You can tell by the sound at what speed the disc turn. The troubleshooting is something every should be able to do. If your losing oil pressure to the head. You aren't going to start to look at the injectors. You just simple jump out of the cap walk to the oil pump and lines. If theirs oil peeing out of a line found your problem. If that not the problem check everything from the oil pump to the drive motors. If theirs nothing wrong their it is the pump and you can start to tear it apart. Instead we put computers in their to tell us what the problem is and to keep us safe. It causes more issues like stopping an engine if a senser goes bad. Honestly the check engine light the stupidest thing. It so funny you can check the engine but the damn light still stays on. If you want to fix it your self you now must have a whole toolbox for electronical things.
YUP!
We got by just fine with pulling the lever to put the seat back, adjusting the mirrors, maybe tilting the wheel to your liking (if you even had tilt wheel) and changing the radio station when we got in the car before we took off. Now they've convinced people that they NEED a computer to remember all your settings and do it all for you AUTOMATICALLY.
Personally I don't care about all that crap. All I care about is having a good air conditioner that works (here in Texas it's practically essential!) and cruise control when I'm on the road for 12 hours straight. Otherwise the rest is FLUFF, pure and simple. Heck I don't even mind crank-type windows... or a manual transmission (neither of which you can hardly get anymore).
All that electronic garbage is just "gee whiz" stuff to impress people and convince them to buy a car priced at 3-5 times what it's actually worth. I'm not impressed... the more of that garbage they put on there, the more there is to GO WRONG.
All that junk is fine WHEN IT WORKS, but when it goes wrong, you've got PROBLEMS and you've got EXPENSE. It doesn't help that the companies make things 5 times more complex than they need to be to do the job...
Like my wife's old 2000 Ford Escort. AC quit one day in the hottest part of the year and nearly parboiled her and our daughter going to/from her school. Troubleshooted it and found the compressor clutch got no power. Looked deeper, and found it was a transistor burned out in a "body control module" (one of a number of them) that would have cost $700 new plus installation... a $1200 job to fix a burned out transistor that cost $1.35 from Radio Shack... there was a description online about how to remove this body module, cut it open, find the burned out transistor, and solder in a new one for $1.35.
I didn't even bother doing that. My old 77 Suburban had an AC (compressor) switch on the dash, a blower control (feeding power to the different segments of the blower motor resistor for speeds) and a low-pressure switch on the freon filter under the hood on the evap outlet, that cycled the compressor to keep the freon moving in the system depending on temperature and demand. THAT'S IT. No stupid "glob of goo" solid state switch sending a signal to a damned stupid computer sending a signal to a freaking body control module which turned on or off a stupid relay to send power to the friggin' AC compressor clutch. SO, I found the wire went from the dash switch on the Escort to the low pressure switch on the freon filter/drier, which then sent power to the BCM, which also got power from the high pressure switch (cutout switch-- the old systems didn't have this, but a freon high pressure relief valve that opened and let a spurt of freon out of the system if the high-side pressure got TOO high from overheating... but we can't have that anymore because it will destroy all life on Earth so now we have to have a stupid high pressure cutout switch instead). These controlled the BCM that controlled the transistor that controlled a relay to send power to the AC compressor clutch. I said to hell with all that friggin worthless junk, and simply ran a jumper wire directly from the low pressure freon switch on the filter/dryer down to the AC compressor clutch, wiring it like my old 77 Suburban was, and PRESTO, AC with NO PROBLEMS... I left the old malfunctioning BCM on there. Whole friggin' car was wired with chintzy little 'bell wire" instead of the usual automotive wire anyway-- just light duty small crap wire-- trying to cut corners. No wonder they only built the Escorts for one more year once they came out with that model-- they were JUNK!
Think my next vehicle is gonna be OLDER.. sick and tired of all this overly complicated WORTHLESS CRAP... don't need a jelly knob telling the computer to send a signal to a BCM to operate a transistor to switch on a relay to do the job that a good old fashioned SWITCH with four feet of wire to connect it to the END COMPONENT is capable of doing WITHOUT all the added computerized SHIT to break down and F-up along the way...
Later! OL J R :)
hey wes do u still have the new holland combine
great vid Wess
It's not computers, with emissions technology and super high fuel pressure it has to pre prime to fuel and DeF before it will start, the start up screen with the camera portion. The dealer should be able to remove that from the program.
We don’t have any tractors that have that display but we do run greenstar gps and those loading screens are normal on them just part of the system that is used
Wes John Deere has focus groups that help design the new equipment. The trouble around here is that the only fellows that go are the RICH BTO fellows/kids that want all the bells and computer whistles. They trade every year or two so durability is way down their list after toys to play with. As for your NH issues. Your really talking Fiat. They are well known for having lossey customer service in the car and construction divisions. Over time NH and CNH will be the same thing.
Was that an orange glass hammer in the back right corner of the cab?
That's a window breaker in case you get locked I. For some reason. There's only one way in and one way out with these cabs. It's for emergencies.
+ih1206 I see 5 ways in and out of that cab.
1) The door.
2, 3, 4, 5) Each window, which you use the hammer to open.
But you are right of course.
Sure you really have to wait for that bar to load ? I dont do that on my dads 6125R as the John Deere rep that delivered it told us i wasnt needed but dont do anything else until the computer are ready.
yes i agree. that would suck having to on the computer to boot up like that. it ain't turn key and go
205 engine hours holy crap how many hub hours does it have
Did you change the oil at 50? lol
can u do a video of driving your w235 on the road
So are you still gonna keep your case swather or trade it for a nother Deere
Ryan from how farms work probably knows more about that computer it would be nice to be able to take it off
John Deere is afraid of you lol
John Deere talks to its customers all the time.
and your right nh does need to talk to talk the farmers and they did this year
yeii for videos :)
we want an 8120 update video!!
Sounds like that entitlement attitude to me... Just because you trash a company over and over very loudly and obnoxiously for thousands of people to see, doesn't mean you are entitled to having them call you and elicit your opinion on how to fix what may not even be an issue for a majority of their customers. Could it be that the things you are complaining about really don't matter to the average hay farmer? Maybe if you contacted them directly to address these concerns instead of trashing them publicly, you would get the response you seem to be seeking. Just an alternate opion...
+GrifFungin a company builds a machine that will not do what it is supposed to do and the average farmer wont notice?
But yeah when the first videos about the no rower came out i also though Wes was being a bit over the top. But as things went on. i have to agree with his actions.
About the public trashing, NH trashed themselves when they built that thing...
+GrifFungin I must respectfully disagree. Deere is known for its good customer service and as you know Wes has a lot of JD tractors and other equipment once a person gets spoiled it is hard do deal with average customer service. I did some research on Deere a few years ago and I admit I was surprised to find out that they are the larges equipment manufacture in the world. Good customer service is one of the key reasons for that. While I must disagree with you I still believe you have some very valid points.
+todd Brewer honestly I think if the most extreme farmers had the product loosely designed around with heavy duty parts, the machine will be indestructible for the average farmer. Yes he did abuse New Holland but I can see why. It gets out of hand when you can't use the machine that you've spent $90,000 plus or you repair a header upwards of 10 times.
+davide30541 Sometimes it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
I also disagree.... They should contact him. He is a known RUclips farmer who works with equipment, and knows what he needs. If you recall the case, and hesston balers have their own pickup design. They use dual chains on both sides. So if they can see that NH design sucks and they changed it but the rest of the baler is the same, then there's obviously a problem.
Why wouldn't NH want Wes as a tester? Why wouldn't they want his honest opinion? It would make you pissed off too if you spent all that money and then the equipment keeps on failing over and over again. Causing you to drag it back home and to waste time and money fixing it. Tell me that wouldn't piss you the fuck off!
but wen does the Krone Story goes on?
wes they are afraid that the ones that you farmers, will put them out of business
+Ro Jo that's why kubota has a very good reputation over the world with there 500,000 dealers all over plus good warranty thats why kubota business is growing bigger and less prices on equipment and great warranty
to the camrea problem. you might have the camera page selected as a home page. if you press the menu tab in the bottem right of the screen. click page layout. red icon I Belive. then at the top of the screen there should be a drop down menu that will say home page one. find the one that has the camera page on it. there will be a tick box that say. select in home page menu. Un tick that box. hope this help. if it does you'll have to give Me a shout out in your next video
Why bash on the people who build that equipment for you. I bet they have a farming background just like you do, and usually the way you treat your equipment depicts how long it can run at it's upmost potential. We still use john deere 630's and and 730's for everyday use on our farm along with our 8245R and 9410R and our other tractors.
I bet your mad when you have to wait for the computer on your 4230 to boot up. Ha ha
smart business plan, built to fail.
You dont have to wait on the greenstar?
Wes You said it at the end of the vid "come talk to farmers" its the only way a machine producer will hone the machine to a level that its the only one worth buying.
And no i don't think your bashing companies your just man enough to stand up and say whats wrong with a bit of equipment that cost a lot of money.
good job April.
:)
You get a minute to say your morning prayers?
It takes time to start but doesn't stop till __you__ turn it off ...........
the dealer should beable to update your command center display and set up your home screen for you
Thumbs Up!!!
Am I the only one who hates symbols on buttons? I understand that symbols may have worldwide recognition, but if your selling something in the US, just label what the button does
wes you should warm all your engions up for at least 5 minuts befor moveing them it alows the oil to run through the motor and get to running temp this gives any engion long jepidity so waiting for that screen shouldent be a problem i warm all my engines up and by doing so never have ishues
I think that's the whole reason for waiting for the screen to load, heating the engine while stationary
+John Deere 6830 fan yeah 1 minit for glow plugs and then 2 for oil presure :))
+John Deere 6830 fan id say so
+obieezx11 because we've an r series and if you get into It and let the computer do it's thing and then drive it the engine doesn't scream at you like it does on the 30 series even after heating through the ignition
cool
whats wrong with that all safety features its better than breaking it
there combines have the same deal with the screen
lol, you have a crush on April ;-)
New Holland deserves what u gave them!!! They should of been right their to solve the problems an in the mean while brought u another one to run besides your old one
I hate that a lot.
Little dealership butt kissing eh? Hopefully they have mercy and get you into a new baler. wish it wasn't the Krone though.
I get it is not personal but you paid for a machine that works. it's bs that you were in that situation they throw all that red tape and your the bad guy. I had a car that was a lemon for the first 6 months I got the car. let me tell you is scary as hell. it was the first cat I ever bought and I was freaking out that I'm sick with a car that doesn't work. on top of that the dealer tried taking advantage by selling me a new car and take more money from me on top of wasting my time doing bs repairs they know won't work
You need to run Linux for faster boot
no perfect bro
whos april
she is the lady from the tractor dealership
+chopplolo72 One photo says more than thousend words!!!
new Holland has never been on a high horse infact new Holland is two brands together new Holland hay equip and ford tractors new Holland is from scratch
Not a good vehicle to rob a bank :-)
Sooooo, you're annoyed by technology? lol
Play nice and April will do you a good deal lol
go case I say but hay if john deer makes you happy go for it thanks videos lots more I hope now you have stop doing beans and corn do you miss it
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Has anyone find wes second channel?
What is it then?
OK but what is it called
+David Harris wtf come on wes please tell us
+Travis Johnson In older vid someone had said something but and wes commented in said good look finding and he said it is out there you just have to find it. Why are keeping this from us it is stupid.
+Travis Johnson the discussion is in john Deere z425 lawn mower vid. Read the comments and it is not for members only so tell us.
And remove the camera page from your cycle, then i wont show
hey wes do u still have the new holland combine
yes he does
hey wes do u still have the new holland combine