Thanks man, I've been playing MLB The Show 19 and keep getting called out cos I run for the next base as soon as the ball is hit, I'm new to Baseball and never understood this, you explained it perfectly! Going to watch all your videos now. Baseball is my new love, looks so simple at first but has so many nuances that make it such a wonderful game, God bless baseball!
So if a fly ball is caught and the runner is already running to third. The only thing you have to do is run to second with the ball, make contact with the base and he's out?
@@TheOnDeckCircle thanks! And if the ball is still in the air and the runner touched a base before the catch? Does he still have to come back to his previous base? (and is it the same if you try to steal home?)
Can a sac fly take place if there are already two outs? Or is the inning over as soon as the ball is caught, and therefore the runner who is trying to get home becomes irrelevant?
@@TheMaggiemay77 The inning is only over if the fielder catches the ball, however you should still run hoping that he'd miss the catch and you can score a run. Hope that helps!
If someone can answer this please answer. My question is that when a fly ball is caught and you are running to third do you have to go back to second or keep running to third
So what happens if a runner runs from base-2 to base-3 even before the fly ball is caught & then the fly ball is caught but by that time the runner is already at base-3. So does the runner need to come back to base-2????
@@manujohn99 Everything from the curved dirt that the bases are in to the home plate direction is the infield. All the grass beyond the dirt to the fence is the outfield.
Learned two things from this video, even though I played baseball for many years. First, I didn't know a sacrifice fly was only technically that when a runner scores (I thought it was a sacrifice if any runner advanced). Second, I did not know (or perhaps had forgotten) a runner could tag up and advance on a caught fly ball that was a foul. Pretty sure I've never seen that happen in all my years of playing, though that would seem pretty common when a batter hits a foul pop-up behind the plate, or within reach of the first or third baseman. I'm going to have to watch more closely what happens on pop up fouls with runners on base. Now that I think of that latter scenario, and see in my mind the actions of catchers catching fouled pop ups, I probably did know of the rule, but just forgot. Anyway, it's all good. This is the reason I'm watching these videos, to test my knowledge, and learn/remember certain rules. Good stuff.
The term "force" should not be used for a runner's obligation to tag up after a catch (obligation can be ignored if there were 2 out at time of pitch), even though he's out if the defense has the ball at his base before he can tag up. Actual case in the majors, although I will use A,B,C: A at 3rd, B at 1st, 1 out, C flies out, A tags up and scores. B goofs, thinking there were 2 out, not 1, at time of pitch, doesn't tag up and is seen running from 2nd to 3rd, so the defense easily gets the ball to 1st base to complete the double play. 3rd out was NOT on force play! Here, the run counts because it came before 3rd out. Also have sacrifice fly and RBI on this play, and there is nobody left on base.
My argument is, the fly ball sacrifice rule should be called something else. When the batter is in the box, swinging away in that situation...he isn't necessary trying to keep the ball in park. Needless to say, it's far better the ball leave the field for a homerun. If not, then the batter gets credit for a "sacrifice fly". Of course a sacrifice bunt is literally just that as it should.
I still don’t get it. 2 hours into google tagging up and dont understand it. Am I suppose to wait until the ball hits the ground or a glove until I run no matter what??
Great explanation. The graphics software you use is this available to coaches to utilize explanations on various positioning and drills? I am from Australia if you can assist me I would appreciate it.
Sacrifice fly is a little confusing to me, because it assumes the batter intentionally hit the ball in such a way that it went to the outfield but was otherwise easy to catch. In reality, do they really have that much control? If they can do that, why not just go for a home run? In other words, aren't most of these plays unintentional?
Yes, I think sac flies are often unintentional, certainly more than sac bunts. Batters could alter their swing to try to hit deep fly balls, but its no guarantee. Like you said, if you can hit it where you want, why not just try to hit a double and avoid the outfielders (and getting out) altogether?
@@TheOnDeckCircle Right. I was just confused by the name because I don't think a sacrifice can be unintentional. But I don't know what else you'd call it.
So, on sacrifice flies, the runner on third base doesn't need to move at all while the ball is in the air, right? Once the ball is caught, he can run directly to home plate without tagging up (because he never left the base while the ball was in the air).
TheOnDeckCircle don't confuse yourself. On any fly ball caught and in order for any runner to advance, they must tag up. So u r correct but the Sacrifice Fly is important to understand and they key as was stated in the vid is that the runner tagging up must score for it to be a sac fly and it not counting on the batters stats as a time at bat. I for some reason cannot get new scorekeepers to understand the difference between a tag up and a sac fly. I have shared this video with them so many times. Hope this makes sense.
Often or usually, if 3rd is occupied with less than 2 out at time of pitch, that runner will take at least a step or 2 toward home plate on a fly ball. If the fly ball is deep enough, he (possibly with reminder from 3rd base coach) will get back to the bag so he is there when the ball is caught. There are cases where such a runner gets caught trying to score because of time lost getting back to 3rd for tagup.
@@carlmoore3215 OK I’m really trying to understand this. I don’t really like the term “tag up”because it makes me think of going to the next base. The video says tagging up is “re-touching the base you were on” -in the video they were talking about second base. So tagging up is returning to the base you were on in the circumstance of a flyball that ends up being caught. Is this correct? If the runner on second decides they can make it to third in this same circumstance are they allowed to try to make it to third?
@@TheMaggiemay77 "If the runner on second decides they can make it to third in this same circumstance are they allowed to try to make it to third?" Yes he is if a) he was waiting for the outfielder to catch the ball while staying on the plate or b) he tagged up the plate he was at before the hit was made. Hope that helps 3 weeks later.
So the ref has to keep one eye on the outfielders catch and the other eye making sure the runner is still touching the base when the ball is caught, right? Do runners try to sneak in a step or two as the ball is still in the air?
Not these days. These plays are subject to video review now, so any coach can simply call for a video review if he believes the runner left early. Even before then, I don't think runners ever deliberately tried to leave early. I think the vast majority of the time they do leave early, they just mistimed it.
One thing I would point out is that it is not considered a force out when a runner fails to tag up and the defense throws to the original base before the runner returns. That's not considered a force play.
I just meant in the sense that they don't have to tag the runner, they can just touch the base while holding the ball, it's like how things work with a force out.
@0:22 "If the next batter were to come up to the plate and single, then a runner could jog over to third..." I wish the narrator didn't use the word jog. By jog he's implying that the runner on second is "entitled" to move to third????
Let's say hitter made a hit and the ball is in the air. Does the hitter have to make sure that the ball will not be caught before start running to the 1st base?
Hi I have been watching your videos and i am trying to learn the sport I bought the MLB the show as well so i can practice the game and learn how it works I have a question with something that happen to the game. I hit the ball went into the outfield and it was caught so my batter was out but i had another player on 1st base and he was running until the 3rd base he manage to touch the base before the 1base fielder caught the ball but he was still out as soon as the 1b fielder got the ball Why that happened ?
That's what this video is discussing. As soon as a fly ball is caught there is a force out (meaning they can just touch the base) created at the base the runner started at. So in your situation as soon as the outfielder caught the ball, there was a force out created at first base for the runner who started there. In other words, the runner who started on first base needs to touch first base after the ball is caught before he can run to the next base. Your runner didn't touch first base after the ball was caught so they just touched first base and he was out. It doesn't matter what base the runner starts on, he needs to touch the base after the ball is caught, this is called "tagging up." The option to tag up is always there, but depending on where the ball is hit, they may or may not attempt it. Usually, if the ball is popped up in the infield, base runners just stay on their base and won't try to run to the next one. If it's hit to the outfield, a runner on first base won't usually try to tag up because they outfielders can throw the ball in to second base before he can get there (after he tags up there is no longer a force out at first base, but they can still tag the runner). A runner on second base sometimes will tag up and run to third if the ball is hit to deep right field, because it's a long throw to third base. The most common is tagging up at third base (so the runner stands on the base until the ball is caught, then runs) to try and score because it's a far throw from the outfield to home plate.
Yeah i got it know i had some difficulties to understand the tag up but is clear now Thanks for the explanation and i would like to say that your videos and the way you describe the sport really helped me to learn it and really understand the beauty of baseball It’s hard not to be romantic about baseball Indeed!!
@@TheOnDeckCircle now I’m confused again on what tagging up is. I thought you said tagging up is when the runner returns to the original base they were on in the situation of a caught fly ball. Now it sounds like tagging up means going to the next base. Hmmmmm🤔
conner mcsweeney Yes, and if he doesn't get back before second base is touched by a player with the ball (or the runner is tagged with the ball), then he will be out.
Technically the ball does not have to be caught. The tag up actually can happen the second the ball is touched by a fielder. Lets say the baserunner is on third. If a line drive was hit to an infielder and instead of catching it, it deflects off him and flies into the out field. The ball goes far enough that the out fielder catches it on the fly. The ball had not hit the ground yet. The runner can run the second the ball hit the infielder the runner can go.Another scenario is if an outfielder bobbles the ball. The runner does not have to wait until the fielder has control of the ball. Only until the fielder touches the ball.
Explained perfectly. Thank you. I'm new to baseball and I needed this broken down for me. Appreciate it.
Thanks man, I've been playing MLB The Show 19 and keep getting called out cos I run for the next base as soon as the ball is hit, I'm new to Baseball and never understood this, you explained it perfectly! Going to watch all your videos now. Baseball is my new love, looks so simple at first but has so many nuances that make it such a wonderful game, God bless baseball!
I'm here for exactly the same reason! :)
@@marktindal2186 Haha me too!
Same
U got me, too.....
only on MLB THE SHOW 20.......
Same lmfao. The show 21 has brought me here for an understanding 🤣
So if a fly ball is caught and the runner is already running to third. The only thing you have to do is run to second with the ball, make contact with the base and he's out?
Yes! Either touch the base while holding the ball, or tag the runner with the ball directly.
@@TheOnDeckCircle thanks! And if the ball is still in the air and the runner touched a base before the catch? Does he still have to come back to his previous base? (and is it the same if you try to steal home?)
Yes
zillion thanks!
Can a sac fly take place if there are already two outs? Or is the inning over as soon as the ball is caught, and therefore the runner who is trying to get home becomes irrelevant?
As soon as the ball is caught that's the third out and the inning is over.
Yeah the innings over and if u watch baseball the runners as soon as a fly ball takes place with 2Outs they will begin usually to run right away
@@xeditionstarwars6011 I don’t really understand what you mean. If the inning’s over why would they bother to run?
@@TheMaggiemay77 The inning is only over if the fielder catches the ball, however you should still run hoping that he'd miss the catch and you can score a run. Hope that helps!
If someone can answer this please answer. My question is that when a fly ball is caught and you are running to third do you have to go back to second or keep running to third
You need to tag up on your original base once the ball is caught before advancing.
You need to get back to second, because the defense can get you out too if they get the ball to second base before you get back
Come to think of it, it bugs me that tagging up is an appeal play, yet a force out is created on the runners' original bases.
See my remark which I sent today: This is not a force play.
So what happens if a runner runs from base-2 to base-3 even before the fly ball is caught & then the fly ball is caught but by that time the runner is already at base-3. So does the runner need to come back to base-2????
Yes, he would have to go back to second base (base-2). If he doesn't, the defense can get the ball and step on second base and he would be out also.
@@TheOnDeckCircle From where to where is the in-field & from where to where is the out-field???
@@manujohn99 Everything from the curved dirt that the bases are in to the home plate direction is the infield. All the grass beyond the dirt to the fence is the outfield.
Learned two things from this video, even though I played baseball for many years. First, I didn't know a sacrifice fly was only technically that when a runner scores (I thought it was a sacrifice if any runner advanced). Second, I did not know (or perhaps had forgotten) a runner could tag up and advance on a caught fly ball that was a foul. Pretty sure I've never seen that happen in all my years of playing, though that would seem pretty common when a batter hits a foul pop-up behind the plate, or within reach of the first or third baseman. I'm going to have to watch more closely what happens on pop up fouls with runners on base. Now that I think of that latter scenario, and see in my mind the actions of catchers catching fouled pop ups, I probably did know of the rule, but just forgot. Anyway, it's all good. This is the reason I'm watching these videos, to test my knowledge, and learn/remember certain rules. Good stuff.
These videos are excellent for me, a Brief trying to get some more in depth knowledge of what's going on in Baseball. Thanks very much for doing them.
The term "force" should not be used for a runner's obligation to tag up after a catch (obligation can be ignored if there were 2 out at time of pitch), even though he's out if the defense has the ball at his base before he can tag up. Actual case in the majors, although I will use A,B,C: A at 3rd, B at 1st, 1 out, C flies out, A tags up and scores. B goofs, thinking there were 2 out, not 1, at time of pitch, doesn't tag up and is seen running from 2nd to 3rd, so the defense easily gets the ball to 1st base to complete the double play. 3rd out was NOT on force play! Here, the run counts because it came before 3rd out. Also have sacrifice fly and RBI on this play, and there is nobody left on base.
You explained this perfectly for a newbie like myself trying to play the show
Your videos are hella informative, thanks for making these.
My argument is, the fly ball sacrifice rule should be called something else. When the batter is in the box, swinging away in that situation...he isn't necessary trying to keep the ball in park. Needless to say, it's far better the ball leave the field for a homerun. If not, then the batter gets credit for a "sacrifice fly". Of course a sacrifice bunt is literally just that as it should.
Thanks! I've been wondering why it seems like runners tend to stay put on a fly ball!
I still don’t get it. 2 hours into google tagging up and dont understand it. Am I suppose to wait until the ball hits the ground or a glove until I run no matter what??
Great explanation. The graphics software you use is this available to coaches to utilize explanations on various positioning and drills? I am from Australia if you can assist me I would appreciate it.
The software is good old PowerPoint, with animations.
@1:57 can the third baseman force out the runner here by standing on the base or must he tag him?
Thanks! This was super helpful! I did not now what tag up meant but now I understand perfectly!
Sacrifice fly is a little confusing to me, because it assumes the batter intentionally hit the ball in such a way that it went to the outfield but was otherwise easy to catch. In reality, do they really have that much control? If they can do that, why not just go for a home run? In other words, aren't most of these plays unintentional?
Yes, I think sac flies are often unintentional, certainly more than sac bunts. Batters could alter their swing to try to hit deep fly balls, but its no guarantee. Like you said, if you can hit it where you want, why not just try to hit a double and avoid the outfielders (and getting out) altogether?
@@TheOnDeckCircle Right. I was just confused by the name because I don't think a sacrifice can be unintentional. But I don't know what else you'd call it.
So, on sacrifice flies, the runner on third base doesn't need to move at all while the ball is in the air, right? Once the ball is caught, he can run directly to home plate without tagging up (because he never left the base while the ball was in the air).
Posby95 Yep, as long as he is standing on the base he can run home the moment the ball is caught.
TheOnDeckCircle don't confuse yourself. On any fly ball caught and in order for any runner to advance, they must tag up. So u r correct but the Sacrifice Fly is important to understand and they key as was stated in the vid is that the runner tagging up must score for it to be a sac fly and it not counting on the batters stats as a time at bat. I for some reason cannot get new scorekeepers to understand the difference between a tag up and a sac fly. I have shared this video with them so many times. Hope this makes sense.
Often or usually, if 3rd is occupied with less than 2 out at time of pitch, that runner will take at least a step or 2 toward home plate on a fly ball. If the fly ball is deep enough, he (possibly with reminder from 3rd base coach) will get back to the bag so he is there when the ball is caught. There are cases where such a runner gets caught trying to score because of time lost getting back to 3rd for tagup.
@@carlmoore3215 OK I’m really trying to understand this. I don’t really like the term “tag up”because it makes me think of going to the next base. The video says tagging up is “re-touching the base you were on” -in the video they were talking about second base. So tagging up is returning to the base you were on in the circumstance of a flyball that ends up being caught. Is this correct? If the runner on second decides they can make it to third in this same circumstance are they allowed to try to make it to third?
@@TheMaggiemay77 "If the runner on second decides they can make it to third in this same circumstance are they allowed to try to make it to third?" Yes he is if a) he was waiting for the outfielder to catch the ball while staying on the plate or b) he tagged up the plate he was at before the hit was made. Hope that helps 3 weeks later.
So the ref has to keep one eye on the outfielders catch and the other eye making sure the runner is still touching the base when the ball is caught, right? Do runners try to sneak in a step or two as the ball is still in the air?
Not these days. These plays are subject to video review now, so any coach can simply call for a video review if he believes the runner left early. Even before then, I don't think runners ever deliberately tried to leave early. I think the vast majority of the time they do leave early, they just mistimed it.
One thing I would point out is that it is not considered a force out when a runner fails to tag up and the defense throws to the original base before the runner returns. That's not considered a force play.
I just meant in the sense that they don't have to tag the runner, they can just touch the base while holding the ball, it's like how things work with a force out.
@@TheOnDeckCircle Yes, of course that is the case.
Thanks, that was really clear and helpful.
I was wondering why games weren't ending with higher scores with stolen bases... Perfectly explained... Tks
@0:22 "If the next batter were to come up to the plate and single, then a runner could jog over to third..." I wish the narrator didn't use the word jog. By jog he's implying that the runner on second is "entitled" to move to third????
Let's say hitter made a hit and the ball is in the air. Does the hitter have to make sure that the ball will not be caught before start running to the 1st base?
shalkar91 No
Batter always runs to first when the ball is hit
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Hi. does a base runner have to tag-up if the pitcher throws ball - 4 and it's a walk for the batter?
No, he does not have to tag up.
I'm just curious, has anyone ever been "caught" leaving before the ball is caught?
Yes, it's not all that common, but it does happen.
So a sacrifice fly is just a runner scoring after a flyball is caught? Am I missing something?
It has to be caught in the outfield, but basically yes, that's really all it is.
I am confused do you have to tag up on first base since the batter is running to first base and their cant be more than 2 people at a base?
On any fly ball with less than two outs all runners must tag up before being able to advance to the next base so easy answer yes
watched all the lessons. thank you so much!
if the ball reach the base first the base player still need to tag the runner out?
No, they just have to touch the base while holding the ball, although tagging him out would work too.
Hi
I have been watching your videos and i am trying to learn the sport
I bought the MLB the show as well so i can practice the game and learn how it works
I have a question with something that happen to the game. I hit the ball went into the outfield and it was caught so my batter was out but i had another player on 1st base and he was running until the 3rd base he manage to touch the base before the 1base fielder caught the ball but he was still out as soon as the 1b fielder got the ball
Why that happened ?
That's what this video is discussing. As soon as a fly ball is caught there is a force out (meaning they can just touch the base) created at the base the runner started at.
So in your situation as soon as the outfielder caught the ball, there was a force out created at first base for the runner who started there. In other words, the runner who started on first base needs to touch first base after the ball is caught before he can run to the next base. Your runner didn't touch first base after the ball was caught so they just touched first base and he was out.
It doesn't matter what base the runner starts on, he needs to touch the base after the ball is caught, this is called "tagging up." The option to tag up is always there, but depending on where the ball is hit, they may or may not attempt it. Usually, if the ball is popped up in the infield, base runners just stay on their base and won't try to run to the next one.
If it's hit to the outfield, a runner on first base won't usually try to tag up because they outfielders can throw the ball in to second base before he can get there (after he tags up there is no longer a force out at first base, but they can still tag the runner). A runner on second base sometimes will tag up and run to third if the ball is hit to deep right field, because it's a long throw to third base. The most common is tagging up at third base (so the runner stands on the base until the ball is caught, then runs) to try and score because it's a far throw from the outfield to home plate.
Yeah i got it know i had some difficulties to understand the tag up but is clear now
Thanks for the explanation and i would like to say that your videos and the way you describe the sport really helped me to learn it and really understand the beauty of baseball
It’s hard not to be romantic about baseball
Indeed!!
@@TheOnDeckCircle now I’m confused again on what tagging up is. I thought you said tagging up is when the runner returns to the original base they were on in the situation of a caught fly ball. Now it sounds like tagging up means going to the next base. Hmmmmm🤔
If the runner its on second and gets to third before the ball is chaught then does the runner have to go back to second?
conner mcsweeney Yes, and if he doesn't get back before second base is touched by a player with the ball (or the runner is tagged with the ball), then he will be out.
Yes and if he already passed third he would have to tag third base again on his way back to second base.
Technically the ball does not have to be caught. The tag up actually can happen the second the ball is touched by a fielder. Lets say the baserunner is on third. If a line drive was hit to an infielder and instead of catching it, it deflects off him and flies into the out field. The ball goes far enough that the out fielder catches it on the fly. The ball had not hit the ground yet. The runner can run the second the ball hit the infielder the runner can go.Another scenario is if an outfielder bobbles the ball. The runner does not have to wait until the fielder has control of the ball. Only until the fielder touches the ball.
Edward Forman what if I was forced to the next base by a runner, would I still have to tag up
Devon Sanders yes. that is the hard part. If the ball is caught you have to go back and tag up.
great video