@@marklion315 And it's a joke at the remaining stations going out of service, long waits, and $36/KG pricing. 1 KG of H2 has about the same energy as a gallon of gas. Hydrogen Fuel cell cars are a joke. It makes no sense to bring this out 10 years ago, let alone now.
Not to mention the remaining stations that are offline due to maintenance or other issues. It is expensive to build and maintain the hydrogen fueling stations.
It's more green to build, faster to "charge", costs less to scrap. It's not happening because our market's number 1 seller is a truck, number 2-3 are also trucks. No enough people care enough about climate change to invest in a dramatic shift in infrastructure (Green Hydrogen generation, storage and transportation). I think Alex has an in depth video looking at hydrogen and their pros and cons. Hydrogen is also a relatively good storage of excess electricity generated by other green power like wind and solar during excess hours. So even though hydrogen could makes sense if you're thinking of transitioning to green as a society, it doesn't make sense for our current dedication on going green.
I’m furious that Honda keeps f%king around with HFCV when PHEV is so many thousands of times more convenient for everyone on Earth. It’s like they aren’t even trying.
The BEV shills "just don't understand". Why... you should be proud to sit around charge stations waiting... for our llithium extraction commodities investment grift. Why of course nothing else even works because we say so.
It sounds/looks like they made a ton of packaging compromises to cram the Fuel Cell tech into a CR-V, but if they used a regular combustion engine as a range extender, it would actually be a pretty dang practical CR-V with few compromises and... why the heck don't they just do that?
So I’m lucky because in the Palm Springs region we have a Hydrogen pumping station that has been in operation for over 20 years. Some of our public bus are run exclusively on Hydrogen, nick named Water Buses.
@@GaryKetchum808 The Bus Company in the Coachella Valley is Sun Bus in Thousand Palms. They have CNG, LNG & Hydrogen pumps that are available to the general public. I had a small fleet of CNG Passenger Vans for my Transportation Company 28 years ago.
Yep. I’d trade in my Ridgeline for the AWD PHEV CR-V tomorrow. They sell it in europe already. I’m probably going to end up trading the Ridgeline in on an E-GMP car instead. Honda has failed me immensely.
Exactly, even in SoCal, hydrogen station are few and far away. I like the idea but not very practical! Looks like I will be keeping my Clarity for awhile or get the new Prius.
FC + PHEV is the only way to make H2 work on the passenger market given the non-existent refueling network. But this stuffed packaging is showing much work is needed before becoming viable. Full sized SUV/pick-ups maybe?
Should’ve gone with a PHEV the way the Clarity was. It took me about 2 years to accept, but as a 5-yr owner of one, it’s honestly been the most sensible Swiss Army knife for daily commuting & some road tripping (sans snowy weather). Battery range is approx 35mi, which is down from its original 45mi; but considering how most PHEVs come with a max EV range of 30, Honda providing a large battery in the first place was their best choice.
Seeing at Toyota is paying people to drive a Mirai, actually pay them, just why? If hydrogen was going to be an option it needed to be viable 10+ years ago.
And Honda's releasing a brand new vehicle at a time when the hydrogen fueling companies are bailing on the whole project. What the hell are they thinking?
The tech is cool but this thing is DOA. I'm all for them experimenting but it's a huge missed opportunity considering how thirsty the market is for a PHEV CR-V that runs on gas. I get that this isn't a mass market car and more of a rolling test bed, but that cargo area is a great analogy for the current state of hydrogen FCVs...compromised.
My cousin was the GM lead on the hydrogen fuel cell joint venture with Honda. I think that particular project has come to an end and I saw an article about Honda wanting to use the tech in large trucks or lorries as we say in the UK.
Where is the link to the video that explains why Hydrogen is so incredibly inefficient compared to just putting the electricity directly into a battery?
Dont buy it not enough stations around price of hydrogen has skyrocketed and most hydrogen stations experiensing longer tech problems times. Shells just abandoned whole programm to build addtional stations.
I had no problem starting up and driving in a few min with 2021 Mirai LXE. Mirai has interesting trick on cabin heating: you can turn off HVAC if you are driving at highway speed. With that I don't really see significant range drop even near freezing temperature. Clarity sees much bigger range drop and wondering how CR-V e:FCEV's range is affected in winter.
I'm a complete newbie so help me understand a basic concept. When running off hydrogen power, is the hydrogen combusted in a piston engine? Or is hydrogen converted to electricity and it powers an electric motor? Thanks.
A Hydrogen Fuel Cell is a box where hydrogen and atmospheric oxygen are catalyzed (with expensive rare earth elements) to react and combine into water. In the process they release electric energy which the box uses to add energy to the battery. It’s like magic, but even when running perfectly it’s a tremendous waste of energy to create the H2 in the first place.. which is why something like 99% of all H2 is produced from fossil fuels. This whole thing is a petroleum industry scam to repackage oil as a greenwashed product. The Biden administration just set new rules for green hydrogen (produced from water using renewable energy) and so the oil companies are starting to give up. Shell just shut down all 7 of their H2 car refueling stations in California last week. There are only about 54 still operating in LA and SFO metros. The calculated true cost of the green hydrogen is over $1k/fill-up per HFC vehicle. It’s ridiculous. Helicopters are cheaper.
Alex, These advancements in drivetrain technology are happening so rapidly. How long do we have to wait for a drivetrain that runs on C02 and emits oxygen from the tailpipe? 🤔🦄🌳🌲🌴
The new CRV (2wd) in Japan is powered by a hydrogen fuel cell and battery and costs 8 million yen (a standard Toyota landcruiser costs around 5 million). The ICE version of the CRV is no longer available. There are no hydrogen filling stations on any motorway in Japan, so a driver would have to get off the tolled motorway to fill up, that is if they can find a hydrogen filling station. Where I live the nearest hydrogen station is around 80km away, so further than the maximum distance a fully charged battery can go. There are otherwise large areas in Japan that do not have a hydrogen filling station. It is an SUV type car but has no ability to go off road nor drive in slippery conditions. Thus essentially any owner is unable to travel very far due to being tied to the availability of filling stations. The whole thing seems pointless.
Who at Honda thought this would be a money maker for them? Affordable plug-in ELECTRIC hybrid is what people want because they can charge it overnight on the 120V garage plug they already have and can they fill it with gas in under 5 minutes. Gas stations and electric plugs are everywhere. Hydrogen stations are nowhere.
A Plug-in FCV makes more sense than a normal FCV because you can actually plug it in and use it most places. But if it had no fuel cell and a bigger battery you could actually get a useful amount of range in most places too.
Outrageous lunacy. I'm not even going to watch this whole thing I'm just here to comment that fuel cell cars are an idiotic waste of time. It's hard to believe Honda would actually produce a new fuel cell car in 2024. Here in California they are actually closing down hydrogen stations, they are exceedingly rare in the first place, and as bad as it is, apparently California is about the only place in the United States where there is any kind of network of stations at all. And as no doubt many others will comment it's vastly cheaper and simpler and better in every respect to produce a PHEV drivetrain or a straight EV. Wake the heck up Honda good grief!
Hydrogen cost is double than gasoline cost. That’s why honda offered plug in option. But the battery range still not enough for average American.(40 -50 miles range ). Most of the fell cells vehicles offered 15000 dollars fuel credits for 3 years. It’s making a lot of people feel great. Unfortunately, most of them feel pain when they need to pay for their own money after 3 years. Toyota offers fuel cash to help customers to buy used Mira(Toyota fuel cell vehicle). And Toyota dealers in Southern California offer 3 years old used fuel cell vehicles for $13000 to 15000 plus $15000 fuel cash credits to help buyers. It’s a good deal? The hydrogen still unable to store in room temperature. And most of the hydrogen is making from hydrogen factory. It took a lot of power to generate, storage and transport. Do you know how many next generation nuclear power plants will be built in china in next ten years. Because they are planned to use hydrogen fuel for their future transportation energy. It is not made sense for most of Americans. Because hydrogen fuel just for high population density cities (like Toyota, Beijing and New York) or the country without any own energy source( Japan or most of Europe countries). Fuel cell vehicles are less impacted for our planet than fossil fuel vehicles or electric vehicles.(most of the RUclipsr told you) But most of the people forget the most basic reason. Technology is helping humans to live easier, better, work smarter and improve our environment with less input. If I need to pay double for the fuel and vehicles and my return is working harder and longer times for same results, I will not do it. Because the new technology never improves my life. (Except real rich people or people loved to try new technology)
Honda is shooting themselves in the foot with this kind of crv, the hybrid crv and getting rid of a fun/performance accord. I won’t be surprised if the big v6 models go to 4cyl and/or hybrid
Need to pick up their "space age" when using actual space age fuel (2nd screen in the back with bluetooth hardly over the top as already is true in the Cybertruck) other than that good thing i agree for Team GM/Honda as fuel cells are already being regularly used for work with forklifts etc. with plug power, ballard et al and for the Nikola semi truck as well. Ohio a very positive for fuel cell State not just California and Japan as has always been true going on decades now. If the fuel cell stack include vehicle to home charging that would be a huge improvement as well. Manufacturing hydrogen fuel is not nearly so expensive as people think but trying to transport the fuel any great distance is an enormous effort. Surprised Colorado hasn't done more work on this tho let alone Florida "home of the Space Shuttle" hydrogen powered space launch for many decades.
The issue I see is hydrogen fuel is just too darn expensive.. this vehicle wouldn't make sense for me unless the manufacturer wants to cover most of the fueling costs at a hydrogen station.
I feel like Hydrogen would have had its moment, if it weren't for rapid development of EV's. I can still see Hydrogen being a solution, but not for passenger vehicles anymore.
Pluses: refill in 5 minutes, handling surprisingly good, fuel card. Minuses: h2 availability and h2 station maintenance, space utilization. Mirai ownership for 6 months.
Been waitimg for this for a few years. But 18 kw battery is disappointing. Better to get rav4 prime. If gets at least 50 miles ev range, then game changer.
That Scares me driving with Low hanging fuel cells and all that Hydrogen. I know it’s probably safer than my gas Impala. I just can’t help but think how easy it is to damage that low hanging area beneath the car.
I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I want us to have more than one major energy source for our ground transportation in the future, rather than rely on one that is susceptible to anything
Hydrogen is not an energy source. It’s an energy sink and the basic physics of creating green H2 from water, compressing it to be usable, and converting it back into H2O to make a little electricity, even under optimum laboratory conditions, always results in a significant power loss compared to technologies already in use.
Looks very good inside out, except for that silly honeycomb thingy on the dashboard A design that prioritize form/look and hindering function/usability/inducing difficulty, that's bad. That is worse than ugly. Gloss black interior plastic trim is usually the most popular offender 😁😂😄😬
Comparing this to the Ford Escape PHEV, I feel the Ford is better in all aspects - 37 miles electric range from a smaller 11 KWH battery, 40mpg hybrid economy, range of 400+ miles electric + gas, and is also FWD... Am I missing something?
While similar on the surface these are very different products. This CR-V is basically only a CR-V in name, it's s test product and I can't imagine anyone will really be cross shopping it versus anything else. Honda wants to learn from this, not sell a bunch of them. -Travis
I dunno man, seems like hydrogen makes more sense as an energy storage system for solar , wind and other renewables . Too many parts , pressure storage and so and and so on. Maybe extremely large ships . Pretty much anything that’s massive such as a ship or grid
imo hydrogen is pointless for passenger/non-commercial vehicles. its also way less efficient than just converting energy to movement than just pure electric. Why convert fossil fuel to hydrogen to electricity then use for movement when you can skip the hydrogen part and go straight from fossil fuel to electricity. Real Engineering did a great video on this
Honda and it's Fuel cell, such an obsolete idea. It's very disappointing that Honda does this to US, vice versa, look at EU and UK. And any car that doesn't even have a decent design ratio space for its own branding emblem is just simply idiotic.
These are toys for the rich. I can barely afford fixing my gas powered cars. Fixing these in case of an accident must be astronomical and I am sure insurance rates are adjusted accordingly. These demos are always in sunny warm weather. Cold weather areas of the U.S. is where we want to see how this performs.
All hydrogen fuel cell cars already have a lithium battery. They’re all EVs with extra energy-wasting steps. This one is just bigger. The reason so much room is taken up on the interior is that the stupid high pressure tanks need to be built to withstand massive crash forces.
This is a mind-numbing release. Plus it looks like the old generation front end. Why are they wasting resources on this when hydrogen stations are closing? Look up Mirai owners’ videos on here. It’s a disaster.
Seems Honda disappoint all round - USA say give us the Hybrid/PHEV, Europe say wa've got the Hybrid/PHEV but give us the Battery EV, Honda says we're listening but we think what you really need is a Fuel Cell car with a bit of a battery thrown in, just so you can at least attempt to get to a hydrogen fueling to top the thing up. It's a clickbait car, poster child and consumer experiment rolled into one. The car is only available on lease, they're not selling it for purchase, with only those close to a Honda site, that has their own hyrdrogen refill pumps to avoid the impact of the closure of public hydrogen stations not under their control.
That's too many "No"s from me, initally I was very excited, but the facts this is not 4WD/AWD, the ground clearance is lower, the trunk is smaller, and that it's holding only so much hydrogen is making it very high to like. Initially, I was thinking this is going to be a really good alternative to the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, but it's not.
Awesome! I only need to drive 1800 miles to refuel it. Great forward thinking Honda. I look forward to you and Toyota beginning the $500M build out of the infrastructure.
What a waste of engineering resources, maybe if they quit wasting their resources on greenwashing hydrogen the could actually make their own ev's and not re badge a gm car
Looking for the H2 opinions video? It's here now: ruclips.net/video/JeIFuQM0rOE/видео.html
Great timing, launching just after Shell closes most of its Hydrogen fueling stations in California.
that was just like 8 stations
@@marklion315 And it's a joke at the remaining stations going out of service, long waits, and $36/KG pricing. 1 KG of H2 has about the same energy as a gallon of gas.
Hydrogen Fuel cell cars are a joke. It makes no sense to bring this out 10 years ago, let alone now.
@@marklion315 Which was more than 10% of all hydrogen stations in California.
Not to mention the remaining stations that are offline due to maintenance or other issues. It is expensive to build and maintain the hydrogen fueling stations.
@@peterscott2662 Holy Schnikeys! Inconvenient and crazy expensive, what's not to hate?
I just plug it into my home hydrogen port and away we go.
Wish it was a "regular" plug-in hybrid. The Clarity was basically perfect, if only they hadn't discontinued it.
I wish Honda wouldn't be so exclusive with their PHEV's and just give us a CRV PHEV and put a hybrid system in the darn Pilot/Ridgeline.
I just...don't know why they are spending time and resources on something like this. As they said in Mean Girls, "Stop trying to make fetch happen".
HAHAHAHAHA. Tell me you're in your thirties without telling me you're in your thirties!
And Honda is struggling right now. They don't have the cash for this nonsense.
As a Honda salesmen I can tell you that every single person at my dealership said the same exact thing.
It's more green to build, faster to "charge", costs less to scrap. It's not happening because our market's number 1 seller is a truck, number 2-3 are also trucks. No enough people care enough about climate change to invest in a dramatic shift in infrastructure (Green Hydrogen generation, storage and transportation). I think Alex has an in depth video looking at hydrogen and their pros and cons.
Hydrogen is also a relatively good storage of excess electricity generated by other green power like wind and solar during excess hours.
So even though hydrogen could makes sense if you're thinking of transitioning to green as a society, it doesn't make sense for our current dedication on going green.
The idea of tradeoffs fall on deaf ears.
That front end looks exactly like my 19 Honda Insight.
I’m furious that Honda keeps f%king around with HFCV when PHEV is so many thousands of times more convenient for everyone on Earth. It’s like they aren’t even trying.
You should work for Honda and let em have it. 😂
@@bassandtreblecleftoo much conservatives Japanese business decisions
They are real world testing these. Companies always experiment with different technologies. Is there a future for HFCV? Maybe.. Maybe not.
The BEV shills "just don't understand". Why... you should be proud to sit around charge stations waiting... for our llithium extraction commodities investment grift. Why of course nothing else even works because we say so.
I wish that front end was on the gas-hybrid.
It sounds/looks like they made a ton of packaging compromises to cram the Fuel Cell tech into a CR-V, but if they used a regular combustion engine as a range extender, it would actually be a pretty dang practical CR-V with few compromises and... why the heck don't they just do that?
They did, they just refuse to sell it in North America. The PHEV CR-V in other markets also has AWD.
So I’m lucky because in the Palm Springs region we have a Hydrogen pumping station that has been in operation for over 20 years. Some of our public bus are run exclusively on Hydrogen, nick named Water Buses.
Really? That's a long time. Pretty cool tbh.
@@GaryKetchum808 The Bus Company in the Coachella Valley is Sun Bus in Thousand Palms. They have CNG, LNG & Hydrogen pumps that are available to the general public. I had a small fleet of CNG Passenger Vans for my Transportation Company 28 years ago.
Same here in BC
In SoCal, it looks like there are almost as many hydrogen stations as Superchargers
What a waste of time, give us the gas PHEV CR-V
Yep. I’d trade in my Ridgeline for the AWD PHEV CR-V tomorrow.
They sell it in europe already. I’m probably going to end up trading the Ridgeline in on an E-GMP car instead. Honda has failed me immensely.
Sometimes you wonder how their product teams think even
@@EUC-lid Honda has EXCELLENT PHEV technology like the Clarity, and they choose to jerk us around like this. Wtf Honda?
Exactly, even in SoCal, hydrogen station are few and far away. I like the idea but not very practical! Looks like I will be keeping my Clarity for awhile or get the new Prius.
I owned a Clarity, and regret selling it. Amazing car, freaking awesome@@GaryKetchum808
I live in California, and got to ask, WHO IN THE WORLD ASKED FOR THIS?
I totally agree with you that this technology should have been offered on the Acura because Honda is not offering supercruise unfortunately
I’m so happy they strategically introduced hydrogen fuel cell into this concept. Hydrogen fuel cell burns cleaner and there’s more of it than gas.
This is one of the dumbest things Honda has done lately. Why not put money into a bigger battery plug in like Toyota rav4 prime.
FC + PHEV is the only way to make H2 work on the passenger market given the non-existent refueling network. But this stuffed packaging is showing much work is needed before becoming viable. Full sized SUV/pick-ups maybe?
Should’ve gone with a PHEV the way the Clarity was. It took me about 2 years to accept, but as a 5-yr owner of one, it’s honestly been the most sensible Swiss Army knife for daily commuting & some road tripping (sans snowy weather). Battery range is approx 35mi, which is down from its original 45mi; but considering how most PHEVs come with a max EV range of 30, Honda providing a large battery in the first place was their best choice.
Got my 2018 Clarity in 2021, absolutely still in love with it. I wish Honda just used that drivetrain with some improvements on this CRV
A 2.0L naturally aspirated or 1.5L Turbo would be sweeter @@Luma_29
“Just put it over there with the Geos and Saturns”
Oh man i got so excited when i read your title only to then see the tagline about hydrogen. My hopes are foiled again!
Seeing at Toyota is paying people to drive a Mirai, actually pay them, just why? If hydrogen was going to be an option it needed to be viable 10+ years ago.
And Honda's releasing a brand new vehicle at a time when the hydrogen fueling companies are bailing on the whole project. What the hell are they thinking?
Something Gavin is cooking up.@@0HOON0
Neat, how about a regular plug-in hybrid I can just buy in Denver Colorado.
Cali’s H2 is running at $40-$45/kg. Extremely expansive $/mile, well beyond $0.5/mile
Has the front end design of the new grand Highlander
It looks like an SUV version of the recent Honda Insight.
Waste of resources... Just make a regular PHEV CRV and sell it already...
The tech is cool but this thing is DOA. I'm all for them experimenting but it's a huge missed opportunity considering how thirsty the market is for a PHEV CR-V that runs on gas. I get that this isn't a mass market car and more of a rolling test bed, but that cargo area is a great analogy for the current state of hydrogen FCVs...compromised.
Love my Clarity phev
My cousin was the GM lead on the hydrogen fuel cell joint venture with Honda. I think that particular project has come to an end and I saw an article about Honda wanting to use the tech in large trucks or lorries as we say in the UK.
Bet its only sold in Cali smh
You are correct 💯
Only *leased* in CA. -Travis
Where is the link to the video that explains why Hydrogen is so incredibly inefficient compared to just putting the electricity directly into a battery?
Dont buy it not enough stations around price of hydrogen has skyrocketed and most hydrogen stations experiensing longer tech problems times. Shells just abandoned whole programm to build addtional stations.
Sounds like this is a compliance car with GM joint venture
I’m glad Honda is making something that obviously people asked for!
Lol,no one ask for this 😂
I had no problem starting up and driving in a few min with 2021 Mirai LXE. Mirai has interesting trick on cabin heating: you can turn off HVAC if you are driving at highway speed. With that I don't really see significant range drop even near freezing temperature. Clarity sees much bigger range drop and wondering how CR-V e:FCEV's range is affected in winter.
Why Hydrogen when all they need is regular PHEV for it to sell?
I'm a complete newbie so help me understand a basic concept. When running off hydrogen power, is the hydrogen combusted in a piston engine? Or is hydrogen converted to electricity and it powers an electric motor? Thanks.
A Hydrogen Fuel Cell is a box where hydrogen and atmospheric oxygen are catalyzed (with expensive rare earth elements) to react and combine into water. In the process they release electric energy which the box uses to add energy to the battery. It’s like magic, but even when running perfectly it’s a tremendous waste of energy to create the H2 in the first place.. which is why something like 99% of all H2 is produced from fossil fuels.
This whole thing is a petroleum industry scam to repackage oil as a greenwashed product. The Biden administration just set new rules for green hydrogen (produced from water using renewable energy) and so the oil companies are starting to give up. Shell just shut down all 7 of their H2 car refueling stations in California last week. There are only about 54 still operating in LA and SFO metros. The calculated true cost of the green hydrogen is over $1k/fill-up per HFC vehicle. It’s ridiculous. Helicopters are cheaper.
Hydrogen is converted to electricity, no combustion. -Travis
Can be both. Several hydrogen combustion engines have been done, Ford even did it to an old Focus. But this particular one is no combustion.
The front end looks way better IMO
We have one hydrogen fueling station here. Over one hundred miles is the next closest one. 😂
Your channel is the most informative. You should have at least a 5M subscribers.
Fascinating. Thank you for this. Good on Honda for maintaining the effort on HFC.
Don't like that honeycomb even if you don't live in a dusty environment
Japan are still blindly following hydrogen fuel cell🤦♂️🤦🤦♀️
Alex, These advancements in drivetrain technology are happening so rapidly. How long do we have to wait for a drivetrain that runs on C02 and emits oxygen from the tailpipe? 🤔🦄🌳🌲🌴
I'm holding out for runs on Unicorn Farts and emits Cotton Candy.
Just stand on a tree! It’s not fast, but it works I guess.
The regular Hybrid front end looks way better!!!
The new CRV (2wd) in Japan is powered by a hydrogen fuel cell and battery and costs 8 million yen (a standard Toyota landcruiser costs around 5 million). The ICE version of the CRV is no longer available. There are no hydrogen filling stations on any motorway in Japan, so a driver would have to get off the tolled motorway to fill up, that is if they can find a hydrogen filling station. Where I live the nearest hydrogen station is around 80km away, so further than the maximum distance a fully charged battery can go. There are otherwise large areas in Japan that do not have a hydrogen filling station. It is an SUV type car but has no ability to go off road nor drive in slippery conditions. Thus essentially any owner is unable to travel very far due to being tied to the availability of filling stations. The whole thing seems pointless.
Who at Honda thought this would be a money maker for them? Affordable plug-in ELECTRIC hybrid is what people want because they can charge it overnight on the 120V garage plug they already have and can they fill it with gas in under 5 minutes. Gas stations and electric plugs are everywhere. Hydrogen stations are nowhere.
A Plug-in FCV makes more sense than a normal FCV because you can actually plug it in and use it most places. But if it had no fuel cell and a bigger battery you could actually get a useful amount of range in most places too.
"no fuel cell and a bigger battery"... hmm, someone should try making cars like that.
Good god what a waste😂😂😂 good luck going on road trips with barely any stations
What a dead end waste of money 👎
I would have totally least the FC EV if it was available in New Jersey, and a hydrogen refueling station was available near my commute.
Hydrogen is so expensive now not worth it. $35-37 per Kilogram
Looks kinda like a Toyota tbh. I dont hate it. But i also like the current CRV.
Outrageous lunacy. I'm not even going to watch this whole thing I'm just here to comment that fuel cell cars are an idiotic waste of time. It's hard to believe Honda would actually produce a new fuel cell car in 2024. Here in California they are actually closing down hydrogen stations, they are exceedingly rare in the first place, and as bad as it is, apparently California is about the only place in the United States where there is any kind of network of stations at all. And as no doubt many others will comment it's vastly cheaper and simpler and better in every respect to produce a PHEV drivetrain or a straight EV. Wake the heck up Honda good grief!
Hydrogen cost is double than gasoline cost. That’s why honda offered plug in option. But the battery range still not enough for average American.(40 -50 miles range ). Most of the fell cells vehicles offered 15000 dollars fuel credits for 3 years. It’s making a lot of people feel great. Unfortunately, most of them feel pain when they need to pay for their own money after 3 years. Toyota offers fuel cash to help customers to buy used Mira(Toyota fuel cell vehicle). And Toyota dealers in Southern California offer 3 years old used fuel cell vehicles for $13000 to 15000 plus $15000 fuel cash credits to help buyers. It’s a good deal? The hydrogen still unable to store in room temperature. And most of the hydrogen is making from hydrogen factory. It took a lot of power to generate, storage and transport. Do you know how many next generation nuclear power plants will be built in china in next ten years. Because they are planned to use hydrogen fuel for their future transportation energy. It is not made sense for most of Americans. Because hydrogen fuel just for high population density cities (like Toyota, Beijing and New York) or the country without any own energy source( Japan or most of Europe countries). Fuel cell vehicles are less impacted for our planet than fossil fuel vehicles or electric vehicles.(most of the RUclipsr told you) But most of the people forget the most basic reason. Technology is helping humans to live easier, better, work smarter and improve our environment with less input. If I need to pay double for the fuel and vehicles and my return is working harder and longer times for same results, I will not do it. Because the new technology never improves my life. (Except real rich people or people loved to try new technology)
What's the point?
Why oh why? Are there really enough people to justify Honda’s investment into this wishful thinking?
Honda is shooting themselves in the foot with this kind of crv, the hybrid crv and getting rid of a fun/performance accord. I won’t be surprised if the big v6 models go to 4cyl and/or hybrid
Need to pick up their "space age" when using actual space age fuel (2nd screen in the back with bluetooth hardly over the top as already is true in the Cybertruck) other than that good thing i agree for Team GM/Honda as fuel cells are already being regularly used for work with forklifts etc. with plug power, ballard et al and for the Nikola semi truck as well. Ohio a very positive for fuel cell State not just California and Japan as has always been true going on decades now. If the fuel cell stack include vehicle to home charging that would be a huge improvement as well. Manufacturing hydrogen fuel is not nearly so expensive as people think but trying to transport the fuel any great distance is an enormous effort. Surprised Colorado hasn't done more work on this tho let alone Florida "home of the Space Shuttle" hydrogen powered space launch for many decades.
It’s very hard to get hydrogen in California,
I see limited use for consumers. But, this could be used by government agencies and perhaps some companies could make this work.
The issue I see is hydrogen fuel is just too darn expensive.. this vehicle wouldn't make sense for me unless the manufacturer wants to cover most of the fueling costs at a hydrogen station.
Most of your fueling would be done and home with a plug, statistically. -Travis
How quickly are hydrogen stations expanding?
I’m in total agreement. In socal they’ve contracted. Shell is closing its H2 stations.
They aren’t. They’re closing.
I feel like Hydrogen would have had its moment, if it weren't for rapid development of EV's. I can still see Hydrogen being a solution, but not for passenger vehicles anymore.
Pluses: refill in 5 minutes, handling surprisingly good, fuel card.
Minuses: h2 availability and h2 station maintenance, space utilization.
Mirai ownership for 6 months.
These Japanese manufacturers are lagging badly
@Alex, DIdn't GM and Honda work together on this tech?
Been waitimg for this for a few years. But 18 kw battery is disappointing. Better to get rav4 prime. If gets at least 50 miles ev range, then game changer.
That Scares me driving with Low hanging fuel cells and all that Hydrogen. I know it’s probably safer than my gas Impala. I just can’t help but think how easy it is to damage that low hanging area beneath the car.
I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I want us to have more than one major energy source for our ground transportation in the future, rather than rely on one that is susceptible to anything
Hydrogen is not an energy source. It’s an energy sink and the basic physics of creating green H2 from water, compressing it to be usable, and converting it back into H2O to make a little electricity, even under optimum laboratory conditions, always results in a significant power loss compared to technologies already in use.
Looks very good inside out, except for that silly honeycomb thingy on the dashboard
A design that prioritize form/look and hindering function/usability/inducing difficulty, that's bad. That is worse than ugly.
Gloss black interior plastic trim is usually the most popular offender 😁😂😄😬
Comparing this to the Ford Escape PHEV, I feel the Ford is better in all aspects - 37 miles electric range from a smaller 11 KWH battery, 40mpg hybrid economy, range of 400+ miles electric + gas, and is also FWD... Am I missing something?
While similar on the surface these are very different products. This CR-V is basically only a CR-V in name, it's s test product and I can't imagine anyone will really be cross shopping it versus anything else. Honda wants to learn from this, not sell a bunch of them. -Travis
I dunno man, seems like hydrogen makes more sense as an energy storage system for solar , wind and other renewables . Too many parts , pressure storage and so and and so on. Maybe extremely large ships . Pretty much anything that’s massive such as a ship or grid
imo hydrogen is pointless for passenger/non-commercial vehicles. its also way less efficient than just converting energy to movement than just pure electric. Why convert fossil fuel to hydrogen to electricity then use for movement when you can skip the hydrogen part and go straight from fossil fuel to electricity. Real Engineering did a great video on this
Honda and it's Fuel cell, such an obsolete idea.
It's very disappointing that Honda does this to US, vice versa, look at EU and UK.
And any car that doesn't even have a decent design ratio space for its own branding emblem is just simply idiotic.
These are toys for the rich. I can barely afford fixing my gas powered cars. Fixing these in case of an accident must be astronomical and I am sure insurance rates are adjusted accordingly. These demos are always in sunny warm weather. Cold weather areas of the U.S. is where we want to see how this performs.
Hydrogen is costly. $30/KG. Every time you fill up, it cost $150.
It’s way too complicated. Bring back the gas and the turbo engines. They need a CrV with a 2.0 Turbo. That’s it.
Combined boom potential of H2, high pressure gas, and Li battery 😂
All hydrogen fuel cell cars already have a lithium battery. They’re all EVs with extra energy-wasting steps. This one is just bigger.
The reason so much room is taken up on the interior is that the stupid high pressure tanks need to be built to withstand massive crash forces.
Hydrogen is the future(fantasy). But petroleum is the present(reality). Hydrogen will replace petroleum but it’s a 100 year journey.
Honda has no strategy, what the heck are they doing and why are they throwing money at this?
Can I just get the hybrid HR-V (er, ZR-V) that Europe gets instead? Please?
WTH Honda? Are you high? Nobody wants this! I live in CA and this isn’t even viable for us. What a waste. Just give us the PHEV you already make.
How to make a desirable vehicle, undesirable....
This is a mind-numbing release. Plus it looks like the old generation front end. Why are they wasting resources on this when hydrogen stations are closing? Look up Mirai owners’ videos on here. It’s a disaster.
If they had made this a gas or even diesel PHEV it would have been a home run but, hydrogen? In 2024? Bold choice…
Bold ❌️
Stupid ✅️
Seems Honda disappoint all round - USA say give us the Hybrid/PHEV, Europe say wa've got the Hybrid/PHEV but give us the Battery EV, Honda says we're listening but we think what you really need is a Fuel Cell car with a bit of a battery thrown in, just so you can at least attempt to get to a hydrogen fueling to top the thing up.
It's a clickbait car, poster child and consumer experiment rolled into one. The car is only available on lease, they're not selling it for purchase, with only those close to a Honda site, that has their own hyrdrogen refill pumps to avoid the impact of the closure of public hydrogen stations not under their control.
They goofed up that front end. cr-v is best looking cheap suv.
it should be hydrogen/ hybrid no worries to be charging
Why would Honda (and Toyota) keep wasting time and resources with these science projects all these years. Why not just stick with regular Hybrid...
That's too many "No"s from me, initally I was very excited, but the facts this is not 4WD/AWD, the ground clearance is lower, the trunk is smaller, and that it's holding only so much hydrogen is making it very high to like. Initially, I was thinking this is going to be a really good alternative to the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, but it's not.
Looks like a Clarity SUV if anything.
Awesome! I only need to drive 1800 miles to refuel it. Great forward thinking Honda. I look forward to you and Toyota beginning the $500M build out of the infrastructure.
Where do you live?
Make that $10B for a H2 infrastructure nationwide
Why so critical about green or not green hydrogen? Anyone citical about brown electicity or not? Double standards
If this was a CRV Prime, im saying take my money. This is a waste.
What a waste of engineering resources, maybe if they quit wasting their resources on greenwashing hydrogen the could actually make their own ev's and not re badge a gm car
Agree with Alex. I don't understand why Toyota, Honda, or Hyundai in the past didn't do FCEVs on their luxury brands.
Alex. I love your videos but you shouldn’t have done this video since everyone knows this is a dead tech and make no sense
This is a perfect example of why I have never owned a Honda. Just why bother?
They don't all run on hydrogen you know. -Travis
maybe honda and toyota need to pull a tesla and just build the hydrogen network that doesn't exist. otherwise what is the point.
This is going to fail spectacularly.