This New Livestreaming Platform Might Be a Scam | Asmongold Reacts
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the main reason why adblock dosent show as much is that people watch streams more on mobile than pc , hence why less adblockers show since its harder to get a reliable adblocker on mobile.
There's AdBlock and blokada for android, iphone only AdBlock works great.
Also a lot of people watch on smart tv's twitch app.
also adblocks dont work on twitch, maybe its just me, but any other adblock delays my stream so much
Absolutely is the main reason. I don't think people view adblock differently or use it any less, it just doesn't install with one easy button on their mobile device, so they don't have it.
Right, there's always modified youtube apps out there that have ads blocked, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some modified Twitch app out there with adblock, too. The problem is the average person doesn't know where to find these apps or they just don't trust it not to mention that if the app gets too popular they could get shut down like RUclips Vanced was.
The viewers aren't staying because they are loyal to twitch. They are staying because they are loyal to a particular streamer or they just don't want it "learn" or use something new.
Highly doubt that plenty of streamers that have left twitch to Facebook haven't had the same numbers. The moment a streamer leaves Twitch, there is quite a big portion that just stops watching. RUclips has been an exception, but that's because nearly everybody that uses twitch also use and have been watching RUclips already for years. Fact of the matter is RUclips and Twitch are the primary streaming sites because they were the first, and most people do actually tend to be loyal... Just like the Marvel movies at this point in time.
Ninja's audience didn't follow him to mixer. He'd get a few thousand. Had a loss of I'd say 98-99% of viewers. Though to be fair, there are other reasons to go to RUclips and Facebook(if you're a boomer). There was fuck all reason to go to mixer.
What a crazy modern times we live in. People being loyal to online personas. Having to "learn" a new website to get their dose of entertainment. Pathetic society. I bet the majority of these viewers fail in life, should focus on themselves before forking over their wendys wage to internet strangers.
@@Akaitoism Mixer in itself wasn't the worst service for sure, but the sense of community was horrible, and the fact that it HAD to be a microsoft account also ruined it.
The streaming service in itself had some cool features, especially the "Hype" zone on BR games (Realm Royale especially in it peaks) where it would randomly feature anyone who was close to winning a game. It had stuff like that, but all the sense of community was completely gone.
I do remember getting featured in Hype Zone once and it was so cool just having random people come in hyping me up for the win. Otherwise I agree, I went back to Twitch long before the service went down just because of it being an extremelly clunky overlay of a website, weird things with the users etc and everything.
@@xRedNationx The time where people plopped in front of their television or waited on their roman bread and circuses aren't really that different.
Stake really missed their chance at going "We´re gonna make our own streaming website with Blackjack and hookers!"
The internet might have responded to that positively enough to make it a better move financially than trying to hide it.
but they are actually doing it, you cant tell me those women art just hookers with extra steps.
One good meme is all it takes
This 95/5 split just sounds like bait to get creators to leave Twitch and break exclusivity. We'll see what happens I guess
Streamers were never prevented from streaming on other platforms. They just couldn't stream to multiple at the same time as streaming on twitch. Twitch never worked to make this obvious and clear because it benefits them if you don't stream at all on other platforms.
Exclusivity has always pertained to Live content, aka content being actively streamed on twitch, and a short exclusive window of time where the live vods couldn't be uploaded to other platforms.
As such, twitch never has and will continue to not break contracts under exclusivity rules unless they are simultaneously streaming to twitch in addition to one or more other platforms.
There is nothing stopping anyone from stopping their stream on twitch, and hitting the live button on any other platform.
There might be exceptions to this in the case of big custom exclusive contract deals that apply to the 0.001% on twitch, but for the people who aren't top 100 streamers, this doesn't stop them.
There is no more exclusivity on twitch
Funny this is, the whole system behind Kick is from Amazon. Same exact technology and servers, so this 95/5 isn't going to go well. Kick in general will be losing money, the money they will make will come from the gambling promos etc.
@@w1mark275 Yeah it'll be interesting to see if this revenue split stays. It sounds too good to be true. If they manage to pull it off while maintaining the same quality as Twitch and not go under that would be great.
@@knowledge4741 Not to mention almost identical interface 😆
So basically, people just getting into streaming should use this. Don't get finances involved and you have not much to lose. If it becomes bigger then you've got your foot in the door.
I wonder how the numbers would look like if every big twitch streamer dual-streamed (twitch and youtube) for a year.
There already are its like 35/65 across the board twitch gets more viewers but 90% that's because RUclips streaming notifications kinda suck.
Like there's a good chance you might get a notification for stream times like "this person is streaming in 30mins" but you don't get a note for when they are live or you might not even get either.
@@coryyoung7544 I get the notifications all the time! 2 days later.
I get so happy when I find out streamers are duel streaming on RUclips because there is way less ads and you can pass rewind etc.
@@frostbite3318 Abilities to pause, rewind and up the speed until you catch up with the live stream are great. Type of content matters as well, lower bit rate of RUclips spends less data and costs less where data rates apply but a lot of people want higher bit rate more then higher resolution.
Am I the only one that chuckles every time someone says “twit longer” 😂
The reason it's 95/5 split is because Stake knows they'll be able to exploit streamers on the platform for insane gambling sponsorships.
Exactly, finally someone else understands. They will be losing money off the 95/5 spilt because the whole Kick website is literally behind Amazon. It's called AWS solutions I believe. So how can they have different server cost when Twitch & Kick are both on the same server.
@@knowledge4741 They could operate at a loss. Considering how much money Trainwrecks made through Stake sponsorship it might be worth to bleed money on server costs to get more people gambling
Could be temporary as well, time-limited until the platform gets big enough (if it does). Like an investment from STakes. Who knows, but if they stay their share below 50% I think they have a value offer to streamers anyway.
The business model is still unsustainable. Thats why this is shady. Its limited time at best.
kick still doesnt have paid subscriptions or tips available though, all donations have to be made thru third party platforms 😂 its a total scam
Tbh i watch ads on RUclips and twitch for the content creators i really like. I can’t afford to gift them subs or donate which, I know that, don’t have to for any reasons. But if I can support someone I like only watching some ads, i do it.
Also wanna make a point Asmon didn't bring up is that; it's a great opportunity for new/smaller streamer to grow while the site is new and less streamers AND make money if its true that everyone gets a sub button. Instead of getting blended in the mass at twitch.
@@Garoslol i dont know? Dont know anything about mixer, as in who owned and financed mixer, ToS, subs system, payments, etc..
However i would say that smaller or new streamers were more noticeable whenever ninja didn't stream rather if they would have started streaming on twitch.
I'm just saying that new streamers probably have it harder getting viewers and recognition on twitch due to the massive competition.
I may also be very wrong since i'm not a streamer
Actually this isn't true at all. It is still extremely hard to grow on kick unless you are gambling or have a background. There is already thousands streaming with absolutely NO VIEWERS.
Did you know Kicks service is behind Amazon as well? The same service that runs Twitch from Amazon is running Kick. Same servers, etc.
if kick does take off, it will give stake more power in their sponsorship deals too, ie eventually pay those sponsored streamers for a lot less, because their site is the only one allowing gambling streams.
I also heard some Vtuber's use it cuz no twitch views, maybe because of the spilt, and they do some gotcha content.
@@auracore-livethere still is no split because kick still doesnt have any payment functions like subbing or donating
@@youtubeuser206 I'm fine with twitch then, YT R.I.P with the new unfair thing.
Regarding the last point: If you don't expect anything, it's hard to be disappointed. If you watch Asmon you don't need a definition of cynicism ^^
Transaction fees are something not many people think about my family business went cash only because the fees for running cards was hundreds of dollars a month
Would like to see asmon react to Devin Nash sometime, especially on topics concerning the live streaming platforms. His video on this was extremely informative
Every now and then I’ll try to tune into asmon’s livestream and then a 30 minute add will pop up, and I immediately close the app and go back to RUclips.
Its called adblock. Use it. No different in using adblock than it is to just close the them
@@1bsubsnouploads823 what adblock do you use? Mine stopped working on twitch
30 minute ad?? hahahaha
The ads kill it for me. Id rather watch highlights on RUclips without the ads. They made it so you can't use ad block now i thought.
Kick is like a f2p game. The gamblers are the whales single-handedly carrying the profits while the normal streamers are cruising along with a few ads now and then
Asmons whole thing is to acknowledge that what train is doing is bad, justify it and say “well duh”.
I will never believe Trainwreck didn't want to ruin peoples lives by promoting gambling, like an alcoholic pouring drinks for people.
Ludwig definitely had some takes that felt a bit like a nothing burger even though they were presented as "Ah HA! We gotcha now! Caught!". I had mentioned Devin Nash previously in relation to the viewbot video you reacted to a bit ago, but he did a very recent take on the launch of Kick. I think his take is extremely informational considering he runs an agency, which happens to represent Trainwrecks in some brand deals. Devin is also a friend of Train, though I think he presents the facts quite fairly despite that fact. A new platform could still be a major deal for many creators even if it's not the charitable beacon of altruism people were hoping for, so if you revisit the topic I highly recommend the Devin Nash breakdown. He gets into the backing, the underlying technology (which is purchased from Amazon BTW), and the issues with realizing a profit.
My take on Twitch with ads is thats its the same as Boomers with TV, my parents tv shows are now more commercials than actual content. My dad refuses to let go of using TV as his main way to watch a lot of his entertainment. Its what he's always done and what he will do till the day he dies. twitch has been on a lot of peoples radar for so long for streams that so many people don't ever even consider leaving. They might not even see all the news about twitch making changes unless their streamer directly comments on it.
This is so freaking true, one of my favorite streamers got banned on RUclips due to some stupid Twitter beef, he left and setup shop on rumble, I absolutely love the guy and watched all of his streams but I'm so used to watching him on RUclips that I kinda forgot he existed when he left plus there is so much other content I watch on here that I didn't follow him over, call me shallow or disloyal but I can't be bothered to make a rumble account just for one guy even though I loved his content.
This is what will slow down kick's growth there's needs to be a seismic shift of creators jumping ship to the platform enough to where it affects the user experience on twitch in order for them to steal viewership otherwise most people won't be bothered because they are comfortable where there at.
Yup twitch are for boomers now.
“you should never listen to what people say, you should only listen to what people do because people say what they want to do and then do what they really want.” typical asmon bars
The best way to look at the button problem is well what if I press it once then hire someone to press the button all year for 40k.
If I made a platform I'd make it a middle man for sponsorships. Not all of them but more one that can pair up sponsorships with streamers with out needing to pay for those email spammers, trying to get people to agree to sponsorships. Basically it shows people a list and they can get quoted based on their streaming history on top of a clear age rating system to where content that's as spicy as milk would get pushed and best sponsorships but the streamer would be subject to much harsher rules, reviews and over all content policing.
The whole idea is subs and bits don't really make that much money. Sponsorship middle men make mad money and if you are able to get a system that people agree into to make their content more parent friendly, then you get more money for doing so. People who want to rage, swear alot, or gamble / rather more adult things won't get harmed out side of getting pushed less and making less in cuts. Also violent video games would get rated for what the ESRB gives them. Again, promoting more Teen games then 18+ games.
It would suck how ever it would be fair because people understand if they want more money. I'd also get brand deals like tiktok to where you'll be allowed to stream special content like copyright shows or music if you paid a monthly fee of like 5-10$ then 5% share after that. Making it possible to do singing streams and even give the songs with no voices so people don't have to do anything other then just play it and do their thing.
TBH twitch should have the sponsorship system and copywrite in my eyes. They are leaving a lot of money on the table not middle manning for their streamers.
Regarding ads, RUclips has so many ADS that I had to buy the premium version. Watching youtube on a TV is not the same as in PC with an Adblocker. I was getting 4 ads in a single video basically
Twitch ads are bad? Yt ads are out of control imo..i watched a 30 min video with 8 ad breaks containig 2+ ads each..
Also RUclips Livestreams don't have adds
@@abduljabars true
and my ad blocker works on YT so it’s already better
@@gamingmoyai3950 same it's called RUclips premium
Can you please cover the recent incident of Twitch Korea? you can only stream in 720p and playback function is soon to be shutdown. No clip either! it's very frustrating...
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its almost like korea is easily setup to make their own twitch version and would be more than willing to move platforms. Wonder why no business is allowed to compete? oh amazon...
If creators get more money and follow the bigger paycheck, why are they staying on twitch and youtube instead of creating a community on rumble and locals?
You can’t say it’s a scam cause you don’t like who’s running it until they don’t pay their creators it’s not a scam it can be shady but we need to stop as a society using the wrong definitions to describe things.
Transaction fees are around 3-4% for a small business, and 2-3% for a larger business. I dont think saying fees are a good reason to say 50% to 30% lol.
All I know is when I went to kick google AND my wifi blocked it so I think I'll stick to twitch👍
2:00 About those adblock analytics, that's not exactly true. Ad-blocking services are just significantly smarter than they were. RUclips is essentially unusable without adblock and same goes for Twitch. Not a single page knows that i have blocked ads, as i do not have a browser extension, but i do not see any ads whatsoever.
Well, the fact that you can't even report a stream is... a bit of a concern
I avoided moving to DLive and other platforms because of how popular gambling streams are on them. Odysee has a 90/10 split for tips and 100% for subs, so I tried there for a bit but there's very little viewership overall still on the site
Just so people know, online casinos like Stake only need a 10% return to be profitable. Meaning of the viewership who watches, if only 10% play on their website, they profit. Anything more is $$$$$$. This is why the only way casinos usually go out of business is by regulation. Not by not being able to make enough 💰.
I think asmongold forgot the difference between revenue and profits. Twitch doesn't tell you their profits, JUST their revenue. If you look at twitches stats, their income grows alongside their user growth, which means it's highly unlikely they're making massive profits, let alone any at all.
My dog just shit on the floor, at least i have entertainment while cleaning up
I stopped using adblock because I got youtube premium. I use to be a non-monetized viewer, but youtube premium is so good, I am now monetized. Wonder if there are others like that making up 10% of the difference or so.
Me too. Moved from twitch to yt premium because ad sounds aren't normalised and wake me up when I fall asleep.
I can’t even choose to check out a stream without a 30 second ad playing immediately which makes me go “nah nvm”
AdBlock's are a pain in the ass, I've never been able to find one that didn't want me to sign up to something or make changes to my computer that I'm not comfortable with, to me it's easier to just mute the ads while their on.
Actually look at the hours streamed compared to hours watched youtube is definitely gaining ground more people just stream on twitch but youtube has a way better ratio
RUclips is a far better platform to watch imo. Its just that there's almost no one here. Twitch consumes a ridiculous amount of bandwith.
1:50 RUclips also increased ads over time and look, everyone is still here
Also people moved to youtube because there is more money in it. So people moving to kick, if they don't lose viewers it's like looking at early uber and going. "Nah, I don't like making money." The % drivers make now is nothing anymore because they was inflating rates to get drivers to use their platform.
Why can't Twitch have PiP type of ads, still can watch stream but there's a small video in corner of the stream you can mute if not interested in the ad!
"If you looked at my chart it was like and then there were just like these massive fucking gaps" -Asmon 2022
bakeries in grocery stores are almost always run at a loss to get people into the store. "I gotta pick up my birthday cake".... and candles and chips and soda and gotta have them hotdogs... better buy the party hats.. might as well get some cat litter while i'm here. Ah, shit we are out of milk.
All those "main stream" advertisements in Vegas must be fake.
The reason ppl dont use adblock anymore is because ppl dont buy pcs like they used to. More ppl watch on their phones now.
Slots aren't banned tho... it always like 13k people on twitch still watching it
Disappointed to see Zach’s take here. Let’s not pretend that Stake cares about gamers or creators. Their bottom line is number of slot pulls per hour. To entertain this new “platform” as a legit competitor is nothing more than simping to your old friend Train.
Why would advertisers be okay with sports betting on Twitch, but not okay with slots on Kick? Sports betting is just as much gambling as playing slots is.
would people still watch streamers if the streamer could hide how many viewers they have?
checked the site out watched one of those pokemon streams where you control the streamw ith "up down and so on", said 11k ppl watching, was 1 person chatting lol
For Stake this makes sense business wise. A gambling (and possible hot tub platform)?! I mean it’s not my speed but it offers a place for those into it a place to watch / stream. Worth a shot.
Plus, Train never claimed to be a Saint nor has he ever …
Yeah cause my adblock doesn't block ads anymore, I wish mine still worked
If Twitch stops being so aggressive with their ads the plaform might recover. Maybe if an movement of big and notable streamers is formed and boycot Twitch until Twitch 'fIxes' their ads aggressiveness then something will change.
Advertisers go where the people are. Right now the people are on Twitch, if that shifts the ads go with it. Seems really wishful thinking to think that advertisers have any morality when the bottom line comes.
What does that mean with his contract with twitch? Would it be a conflict of interest with his equity in a competing company?
Adblock doesn't work on Twitch anymore, it hasn't for a while, people are really slick acting like it still works lol, that shit does not work, the ads are directly connected to the streams, not like on RUclips were adblock still actually works.
I streamed on it. They are giving everyone viewers too. I had consistently 5 viewers and no chatters or followers. Streamed for 5 hours. If you scroll through all the people no one has less than 3 viewers.
Love asmons content very much and mostly agree on things but I hate streamer culture. It's like high school for adults. At least it brings that mentality with it. Asmon is an exception, he brings intelligent thought and conversation, mixes it up with gaming, some memes, McConnell shows up sometimes, it's a great balance.
when the ads came on youtube, people said they were going to go back to 'cable'.... nope! that did not happen.
The more fringe items mentioned as being on Rumble were actually on Bitchute. Rumble is mostly reasonable mainstream centrist right.
Tfw you're so early that all the top comments are bots 💀💀💀
i never see advertising on twitch or any other website
love being online with zero advertising
Decrease in Adblock users is probably due to mobile users.
Percentage of viewers who use adblock is not a very useful metric in terms of monetization between two different time periods. Number of viewers in the only thing that matters.
i don't use adblock, i use opera's built in adblock and another extension's adblock, it even hides recommended videos on the video player.
Honestly this would be less controversy, if they didn't do 95/5. Sure it sounds appealing, but anyone who knows as minimal as "running livestreaming servers are expensive." would know kick is fishy af. At the end, it link back to stake. Like if stake is really trying to make a streaming platform for people, they trying too hard and wrong way.
Keep in mind. Asmongold is besties with Trainwrecks. Don't get it twisted.
i barely watched twitch as it was but now that i cant find adblockers that work I just cant be asked to sit through 2 mins of ads to just see whats going on in the stream.
Went on Kick and one of the livestreams is just streaming full episodes of Better Call Saul lol
We are watching with adblocks.
Problem is. A lot of them no longer works, and few of us bother updating or looking for a new one, lol.
"Hype" is literally how everything works...not just Twitch.
all they need to do is those high revenue splits for the streamers and anyone who joins the website then go to the top 1000 streamers on twitch offer them all really solid $$ deal contract to come over exclusive to kick and then just run steak banners for adds and what ever adverting to recoup there investment easy you take even the top 100 streamers away from twitch and people will just go over only taking 1 or 2 like mixer did wont help you gotta go big or go home
Idk I haven't used Twitch since 2016. I only watch Asmon on RUclips. There are people who still stick to their morales.
I literally do not watch at all anymore since all these ads started getting ridiculous and it’s been fantastic. Watching RUclips summaries of twitch content is so much more efficient. I’ll never return.
"Twitch has been dead."
true, true
Update: Train reached out and paid me, so I will be discontinuing my anti-rant.
Comparatively it doesn't do well. That's why they lowered the money they give to streamers.
That facebook has far more hours watched and streamed than youtube is concerning
You have to know that facebook is big in SEA
we watch more youtube on our phones now adays, which is more troublesome to look for an adblocker on.
Do people not believe in responsible gambling. you can gamble without it being degenerate. i could never gamble on slots it's just tedious and not fin for me. but i gamble on either sports or sometimes cards with friends. as long as you only gamble with funds that you are willing to lose you can treat it like an expense instead of a risk and if you win it's just a bonus. that said the reason many people sports or esports gamble is it makes the event more fun to watch. If you have a healthy relationship with gambling then it isn't a problem
I intentionally check out low key steamers, especially in the creative area, because of what you said about view count. Many great genuine underground af streamers
Ive always use ADBlock,So sick of Ad's and commercials :(
Watch 1:32 and i’m already not surprised as you are why? Because if something is Well made from the start that Thing Will stay no matter how badly use it if they dont change the core the only real Way to change it is if some Other platform creates a better system. Just give and exsample starcraft 2 even though its many years Old now is still the leading rts and always has been even when blizzard stopped working on it.
My adblock doesn't work for Twitch.
Bit system? The investors of that side is the people who got their Casinos banned from Twitch. Do you think these people will do a FTX and print useless Bit coins?
I honestly cannot see anything killing Twitch, at least in the next 5-10 years or even longer, it's too well established and nothing new can compare to it
I hope something does cause twitch sucks. I could see YT Gamming becoming a more serious competitor but YT sucks too lol were doomed!
Considering Streaming drama hurts the platform eventually YT will replace it.
@@thetheoryguy5544 I really hope YT is working on a Live Section that (Like videos & Shorts) and subsection for that for Games, Chatting, Etc,..)
It'd be easy to compete with Twitch. Be a reputable brand, and offer the streamers more money. That's it. RUclips is already getting there. RUclips arguably is a better quality webstie for streaming than Twitch, Twitch is just what we're used too.
RUclips is the answer
I’m gonna be honest. Stake being the backer of this is what could actually make it work. Because they sponsor some crazy big names. Like think of they get a streaming deal with the ufc for kick because Stake sponsors the UFC and being that the UFC is rocket shipping it’s way to be the most popular combat sport. Kick may be something to look out for in the future depending how they make business decisions
Is there a twitch adblock for pc?
Some game / mmo give players free items when they watch Twitch.
Twitch is literally based on high school politics lol.
If you're popular you'll get more popular, cause viewer count equals better content (not the other way around). If you change anything and less people watch then you get less popular cause you don't have as many viewers as you used to. 😵😵😵
"There are SO many ads." Asmongold, ever heard of RUclips?
Wait, did Asmon just quote Cage the Elephant? Ain't no rest for the wicked!
Kick is the truth social of the streaming space. Imagine this is a space where Ice Poseidon, leafy and all the other “banned” creators can now congregate
The difference is Truth Social exists on its own apart from twitter. I dont use it, but I at least read the twitter files, so I know essentially all the bans to the people that moved over there were superfluous ego trips by losers without any real signifcance. They were all politically motivated, rather than actually breaking a TOS, or were users demanded by the FBI themselves (I know it sounded fucking crazy till I read and looked into it) to be banned for not supporting the popular opinion.
more people are watching on game systems and cellphones and most people dont have ad blockers installed on them.
I don't have adblock, but I don't really get ads on twitch.
its just a shame its nearly impossible to grow on twitch
@@askers_ If you're talking about KaiCenat then he was already big on YT and insta so it wasn't hard at all for him to grow on twitch
@@askers_
He didn't explode. He already had a following before he started streaming.
It is nearly impossible to grow ANYWHERE. The only way to grow a following these days is do something offsite and actually do something interesting and new.
Playing video games will never get you a following, a million others already do that. Being good at a video game will also get you no views.
Social media is different, and with everyone trying to become famous with absolutely NO talent, it's difficult.
grand theft auto: 56 viewers. Slots: 17,422 viewers.