Film Theory: The REAL Reason Wolverine is DYING! (LOGAN)
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LOGAN, you've lived through experimental surgery, countless bullet wounds, an atomic bomb, and EVEN Bodily Disintegration from Jean Grey. But in the end it's your sweet metal exoskeleton that causes your demise? So sad! But there's one little issue - Logan is WRONG! Sure he may be getting poisoned by his metallic upgrade, but in the end, that's not the issue. Then, what's REALLY Killing Logan?! You're about to find out.
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I thought it was implied that the food and drink had been tampered with to suppress mutations. That's why there are no new mutants. And his healing power is trying to work against the supressant, but is slowly losing
Exactly
It wasn't just implied. It was clearly stated.
@Jimmy Strudel but they gave a reason in the movie, that's the point. don't be dense
The corn was mutated and the corn syrup is abundant in alcohol.
then how do charles and the albino still have mutations?
The only thing killing Wolverine is the fact the Hugh Jackman doesn't wanna play him anymore. Its the only theory that works
Are you serious!
he still would have continued
Bruh who wouldnt want to play wolverine he is one of the coolest super hero's
@@amirhodges4157 It would probably get annoying being known for only one thing. He seems to enjoy being in musicals, so maybe he just wants to focus on those.
@@NutmegBGB Yeah it's cool he has the confidence to step down from such a big roll so he can do what he likes more.
i love how everyone misses the fact in this movie that the food they eat contains stuff that disables mutant genes, so no new mutants can be born.......
Yeah, the Transigen virus that was distributed through the food supply. They literally say that clearly in the movie and everyone just ignores it
True but Wolverine's healing factor kills off all foreign invaders. Such as viruses. The stuff that disables mutant genes or destroys them, not sure which one it does, is a virus. But even then, Wolverine's healing factor would not explain why he lived over 100 years. Matpat said our chromosomes get smaller as we age, then why did Wolverine live for so long if his ability simply speeds up the replication of his cells? Did one of his mutant abilities make his chromosomes larger than normal or did it increase the effectiveness of the creatures that replicate his DNA, leading to a lower chance of a mutation that removes a bit of the chromosome?
lol. Right?!
I love how everyone glosses over the fact that he almost had all of his healing factor stolen from him at the end of the wolverine
@@jonathanolivo4660 this is a different universe and timeline
If you think about it his body is 140 but because of days of future past his mind is 195!
Actually, it is 247
But even if that were true that adamantium didnt go in his body till later onward, thus it would he killing him just the same even if he was 140 or 247... He may be the oldest Marvel human character but one thing to know for certain is that when metal oxodises it takes the same amount of time to heal any negative effects of rust and thus we would be getting the same outcomes but at a later date.
@@sidbbp_8421, thanks for the correction
The Silver Samurai almost killed Logan by taking away his healing ability de-aging him self by decades. In My oppion this is why logon lost his healing ability.
@@ya_boy_jaxon7974 The Silver Samurai almost killed Logan by taking away his healing ability.
It is explained in the Movie itself, when the Villain Doctor tells him that they stopped People from having random Mutations by using gene therapy over the food.
The farmer tells him too, that all the fields are full of genetically engineered Corn.
So basically, Logan by eating stuff with this gene food ingredient day by day, is slowing his
own healing factor down. He is aging faster and he even has scars left after healing up. His mutation is trying to fight the gene therapy that tries to block his mutation an is slowly losing the fight, because he is constantly eating more of that stuff.
This was my thought as well.
Yes! I think many people missed that quick exchange in Logan between Stryker jr and Logan.
So the video is not true?
In the movie, GM food prevents random mutations, it cannot undo the ones that exist already.
@@ghurcbghurcb they are swallowing pills to suppress their mutations in the movie so that the government cant locate them
Not only was logan in ww2. He also fought in ww1 and the civil war. He is 196 years old. And if you count the years with the days of future past age he is around 250 years old
Then shot back into the past where he is 250 and sees the younger him encased in adimantium. Yeah that one is a good story. Though the movie Logan is not old man Logan, not by a long shot.
Well he didn't actually live those extra 60 years from Days of Future Past because it wasn't him physically sent back in time, only his consciousness. That's why in that movie he had bone claws. So while his brain does store about 250 years worth of memories, you can't add that to his physical age.
Elino Villegas yeah i know thats why i said "if you count" i meant his mental age
Logan is 376 Year Old, he born in 1653
When you call Hugh Jackman, "Wolverine" in every movie he casted
I always called him by his real name ·U·
Nope. I just call him logan for every single film he cast
@@Kwlksky lmao, glad i'm not alone
I call him X-man when I was a kid
I don't think it's true for most people. He's a very versatile actor. Like you don't call Leonardo "Jack" or Morgan "God".
In the comics they dealt with this in 2 separate occasions.
When magneto stripped Logan of his adamantium, his healing factor was boosted significantly, alluding and sometimes stating that his healing factor was hindered by his coated skeleton.
In Old Man Logan, his age finally caught up to him to a degree where his healing factor was diminished and took longer to heal.
All in all, his healing factor was simply overtaxed by constantly working to make sure he stayed alive.
it's not because he is getting old, in the Logan wiki, from the movie "When the Reavers capture the children, Logan takes an overdose of a serum given to him by Rictor that temporarily enhances his healing abilities and boosts his strength. With Laura's help, he slaughters most of the Reavers, but the serum wears off. As Pierce holds Rictor at gunpoint, Rice tells Logan, who killed Rice's father years ago at the Weapon X facility, that "no new mutants have been born due to a virus created by Transigen and distributed through the world's food supply", also causing the decay of Logan's healing factor.
"A Virus, which is causing the decay of Logan's healing factor."
Why doesn't this have a million likes?
1 plot twist tho wiki lies ;/
thought this was obvious to anyone who watched the movie... you would figure that people would pay attention to the part where it is explained why there are no new mutants... then understand that that reason was also the reason why Wolverine was sick...
Its a shame that the same universe has different story (marvel and fox) this just fucks everything up, at least we dont need to hold back anything when watching a fox xmen or deadpool movie. Btw, this is the same reason they killed of tony in avengers. I am not really interested in tonys character but they better not do anything about logan or they will get something they have never even had in their fiercest nightmares.
@@skatin33
Alright, butthurt Marvel fan.
They put the anti mutant stuff in all the food and drinks.
Meaning it eventually turn of his powers
Glad someone else mentioned this
NoBreakz damn GMOs
That's actually a perfect explanation. People are like "wouldn't his healing factor heal his genes?". His healing factor is being turned down due to gmo food/Hugh Jackman wanting to do other things.
No. Logans healing factor would fight off whatever virus was in the food or drink. The reason why he is being poisoned by adamantium in this movie is because his healing factor has weakened by his age. In the other xmen movies he's perfectly fine because his healing factor is good and is continuously fighting off the poison that's in the adamantium
They literally said they genetically modified the corn to turn off the x gene in Logan. And you can see Logan drinking whisky, which comes from corn. Once the genetically modified corn turned off his healing factor, the adamantium was able to poison him, which slowed down his healing factor even more and made him weaker. Once he got stabbed by the branch at the end of the movie, his healing factor wasn't quick enough and he died
That was the smoothest sponsorship I have ever seen .
Actual Trash haha right? i didn't even see it coming. haha
Actual Trash are you also the only one who noticrd
noticed* fuck
LOLing island you know you can edit comments, right?
Angela Bruno no cause I'm inept
Logan is not 140 he is 190 he was in the civil war jeez come on matpat
Cristian Garza-benavides he was born in the late 1880's. if he was born in 1880 he would be 137 about 140.
Devin Williams yes but that's wrong in the cinematic universe because he was born in the 1840s
Cristian Garza-benavides And mentally he's 250! Remember when his consciousness was sent back in days of future last? I'd definitely be over life
Cristian Garza-benavides XD
Civil war started in 1861, 156 years ago. Assume he was at least 18 when he fought, that means he's at minimum 174 years old.
To sum up the whole video in short - 'Logan is getting old'
Alok Chand thank you lol
Alok Chand a hero without a cape
Lol
Is this really just what the video states? Because I was just about to watch the video, but I don't necessarily want to watch the whole thing.
Watch it to know what ageing is and how does ageing happens at the genetic level
"Get this man a Vibranium Skeleton"
-T'Challa in some timeline
The metal in Logan's body is the same as vibranium skeleton
@@zaxx-pubgmobile8966 Nope
@@fravalla it's explained,you haven't watch all the videos yet
@@zaxx-pubgmobile8966 Lol no it's not moron. Adamantium is denser, heavier, and stronger than Vibranium. Vibranium is lighter, less dense, and has a higher melting point while being able to absorb vibrations.
@@fravalla hmm then can you tell me why they say it's has the same potential,call the ytb a moron then ;)
The whole theory is built under the assumption that Logan has lost his healing powers, but the movie seems to suggest rather, that Logan's healing has hit its limit with the adamantium. As mentioned, the metal in his body has begun to corrode over time, this would increase geometrically/exponentially over time, until his natural healing cannot keep up with it anymore. This is seen in movies like "The Wolverine" where the robotic parasites in his body kept his healing surpressed.
I don’t think so. He gets high on drugs in the final battle which manages to restore his healing for a short while.
Adamantium is unbreakable. How did it currode?
@@eliasbranch5383 also another reason why it’s not the adamantium.
I think you mean quadratically
My theory is that Adamantium has always been poisonous but due to his healing factor that didnt matter in his Prime. But in Logan when it was confirmed that Wolverine was weaker due to anti mutant drugs mixed by government in the movie..That results in his aging and death from adamantium.
Medicine that affects Dna🤔
Uhm, not exactly. What about the other mutants? They didn't seem weak or changed in any way
@@masterofdragons82 Yes exactly, they have been killing off mutants this way, hence why no mutant was born for 20+ years in the movie Logan.
@@hectorcolon2563 Like the new covid vaccines.
@@hectorcolon2563 no listen. Hear me out. The food was made to take away mutant powers and the government is putting that in everything Logan eats. This means that everything he eats is constantly slowing down his healing factor which is why the adamantium poison is more apparent now.
I learned more science than I did in school.
Same tho
Cool
Yep
Now if we can just work on your english.
@@mangoyeah9663 lol so true
What About When He Literally Stabbed Himself And Stuck his hand into his rib cage to get the heart parasite out??
that later healed up and had no effect on him on Logan
He only really heals once the object which caused the wound, is removed
I-he did what?!
I think that parasite left some eggs behind and took years to hatch.
@@scottgarrow5448 the parasite is a robot
0:12, “he fought in WW1!” Casually shows a landing boat of D-Day WW2
This made me laugh!
heres whats really killing Wolverine. Fox Studios.
Broly_Jeebus 😭😂😂😂
@ThatKidWhoLiesAboutHisAge OnTheInternet fuck you
No stfue.
Could be...... FOXDIE..... maybe
Lel
Strange. I thought adamantium was supposedly immune all forms of damage. Would that not include corrosion?
OMFG your a genies
DeathslashDavid he's not a genie...
al QC true.. he's a genies.
Not really, but it would mean that it would take a very long time to corrode (hundreds of years).
It definitely should have been immune to the fucking piece of wood that killled him in the end.
Wolverine will never die, as long as they don't replace the iconic Hugh Jackman as Logan in future films.
But he’s dead..
JRW Plays thats not what he meant. They’re still gone keep making Wolverine movies. But he’s just saying that Hugh Jackman should keep playing him. But I’m pretty sure he said he’s done playing him
@@jrwplays4395 in the comics he rose from his grave tho so...
fancy meeting you, again...
At least there are other timelines and universes where Logan is still alive.
This is the most sensible.
Basically, Logan does age, but his healing factor masked his aging and extended his natural life. Eventually, he breaks down just as everyone does.
The REAL Reason Wolverine is dead is because Hugh Jackman left the role.....
Very Very true
Also wolverine is dead in the comics
Chiefs 2016 Champs that would never happened as long as Deadpool makes money
I know he was gone but it also follows the storyline. I realize they could do a lot more things from the comics but they were advancing in the timeline so one of the most logical next steps would be the Old Man Logan storyline that results in his death. Also Hugh Jackman said he would come back for a role in the Avengers.
true dat, we don't need no science for that
Logan's healing factor is going away because of age. He's not immortal, he just ages very slowly thanks to his natural healing factor. If it weren't for the adamantium, it's difficult to say for how many years he would have lived before his healing factor wore out and he died of natural causes.
However, when he got his adamantium implants in the 70s by Weapon X, it was an experimental procedure and they hadn't perfected neither the process, nor purified the adamantium. That's why the particular adamantium implants he has is poisoning him. At first, it wasn't a problem since he was at the peak of his adulthood and his healing factor was potent enough to make up for it. Think of it like Deadpool and his cancer; it's constantly killing him, but his healing factor is constantly battling it.
So we know that Logan (aka James Howlett) was born in Cold Lake, Alberta, Canada between 1882-1885 (source:marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Origin_Vol_1_2; marvel.wikia.com/wiki/X-Men:_Prelude_to_Schism_Vol_1_4). We also know that his bones were bonded with adamantium by the Weapon X Program somewhere in the early 70's (probably 72 or 73)(Source:marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Marvel_Comics_Presents_Vol_1_73). Therefore, if we say Logan was born in 1882, and he received the adamantium in 1972, he would have been 90 years old. Judging by his appearance, he looked like a normal adult around his 30s at the time, so for the sake of simplicity, let's assume 90 years for wolverine = 30 years for a normal person. This would mean that Logan ages 1 year for every 3 normal human years. In the movie Logan, we're told they're in the year 2029. That would make Wolverine (aka Logan, aka James) 147 years old or 49 for a normal person. He's old, but he's not THAT old.
So the theory that he's dying or losing his healing abilities solely because of his telomeres is a stretch. It's a coupling of his healing factor slowing down with age AND the adamantium that has been poisoning him over the last 57 years.
Also, to those who didn't understand the GMOs in the movie, they're not killing off existing mutants, they're just preventing new ones from being born. It's somehow suppressing the x-gene from appearing in newborns, that's why mutants have almost all but died out. However, existing mutants aren't affected. They are most likely either being hunted down by anti-mutant groups (which are popular in the x-men universe) or they've gone into hiding, like Logan, Xavier and Caliban.
It is also implied that due to his old age and deterioration of his mutant powers, professor X is losing control and having powerful seizures as seen in the movie. It is mentioned in the movie that he had one such instance in Chesterfield (the X-Men Mansion) and it is implied that because of it, he killed most if not all of the mutants at the school. This would have probably tarnished the x-men's reputation and labeled mutants as dangerous ticking time bombs (like they also allude to in the movie) thus building more anti-mutant sentiment and propaganda.
UknowmeimGui no ones gonna read this essay.
plutocuteguy but it is a good one
agreed
You're making quite a lot of assumptions here. Is this confirmed somehow or is it just a theory?
Arphemius it's just a theory, a filmtheory.
Logan was actually 247 years old since he got sent back and lived another 50 years till 2023
His mind not actually his body
His consciousness was sent to the past not the body
Yea figured that out a lil bit ago
The Silver Samurai almost killed Logan.
His future became his past when he time traveled
Actually, my theory is that some of his healing ability was extracted by Yashida in The Wolverine 2013. So he lost most of his healing factor.
The timeline got rebooted after dofp
I thought the reason his Healing Factor was poisoned was because of what Zander Rice described. The contaminated food that kills the mutant genes might have weakened every mutant slowly, taking away Logan's healing factor and possibly poisoning Xavier's powers as well, leading up to his Alzheimer's and mortal seizures.
After seeing all these comments from people who clearly weren't watching the movie just looking at pretty pictures. I was worried I was the only person who actually understood the plot of this movie. He's shown drinking shooters almost every other scene and he and others have been eating Zanders processed foods/drinks ( which the farmer explains to you at the water pump) and that's whats slowing down his regen. Which in turn is letting other things like cancer, metal poisoning and the like come out. So as far as I understand the movie ends with him being buried alive.......bc the food and alcohol will fade out of his system while he's 6 feet under, and his healing powers will come back bc he's no longer eating/drinking poison.
I see, we seem to be the only three persons in the comment section who can concentrate for the duration of a movie to what the movie tells you... :P
That would be badass. But he said he was dying at the very end.
I too was like "Dude, he survived being pierced by metal pipes, drowning at the pit of a sea. I'm sure he can get through this as well." Even though I find it sad that he is dead, I'd accept it because I don't want anyone other than Hugh Jackman to play Wolverine.
I actually thought this was the direction he was going to go. Rice explained that his corn syrup was what wiped out the mutants, but didn't go into detail on how it affected existing mutants. It could have been a slow process and had a gradual affect on Logan over time.
One of the more popular theories that is hinted at during the film is that the main villain of the film, Dr. Zander Rice has been growing corn with a chemical that weakens the mutant gene in both babies and existing mutants. Since corn syrup is used in many things, the chemical has gotten to almost all the mutants. This is why there have been no mutant born for 20 years. The chemical is also what makes Logan's mutant powers weaker, making his healing factor weaker as well, letting the adamantium poison him since his body can't heal that fast anymore. The farmer in the middle of the movie even tells logan that the government took control of his crops, and Dr.Rice revealed it briefly at the end of the movie
No mutants born in 20 years? Corn syrup isn't a universal, and mutants are. No mutants in /North America/. Maybe that's not right, either; do Canada and Mexico use corn syrup? Mexican soda uses cane sugar, after all.
Zarbot WHY IS MARVEL SO COMPLICATED
Sonya Steadman also states in the movies that governments around the world collaborated in suppressing the x-gene with corn syrup so yeah
There might have been some products that are sold internationally that used corn syrup. So even if some countries don't use it in their products doesn't mean they aren't being consumed.
Zarbot It never says in existing mutants in the movie. It just stops new ones from being born.
Biologist here to provide a critique of your science, MatPat. I like the foundation of your theory. You made a few misleading and not entirely accurate statements, but I will overlook those out of the desire to not be overly critical.
Telomeres have been implicated in certain aging diseases and Logan's advanced age made my thoughts go to progressive telomere shortening as well. However, telomeres can be quite long and variable. In humans, the six base repeat TTAGGG repeats up to 2500 times. But even this is not long enough for us normal humans. After about 30 divisions telomeres can be lost. This is why cultured cells will typically not last forever; the "Hayflick Limit," as you mentioned.
This telomere shortening presents a problem which Eukaryotes have presented an elegant solution: the enzyme telomerase. The enzyme telomerase works to extend the length of telomeres at the end of chromosomes. While this may seem to punch a hole in your theory, there is still a saving grace: Telomerase is not active in every cell in your body.
Telomerase will primarily function in cells your gametes, cells responsible for creating sperm. With how frequently they divide, you wouldn't want your kids to get faulty telomeres, right? Telomerase is also functional in adult stem cells present in your bone marrow brain, peripheral blood, blood vessels, skeletal muscle, skin, teeth, heart, gut, liver. These cells divide and differentiate to produce new, fresh cells for your body. Cell lines with active telomerase have high longevity, like cancer cells. Some cell lines are even immortal (HeLa Cells).
Personally, I think that Logan's healing factor comes from his ability to protect and induce these pluripotent stem cells to rapidly divide to restore his body. Since they have functional telomerase, I believe that telomere shortening would not hugely affect him. Granted, that is just conjecture.
Even if some of his older living cells began to have shortened telomeres, you must remember to consider each cell individually. Some cells will lose their telomeres faster than others. Those with no telomeres on a chromosome may no longer undergo cell division and will instead trigger apoptosis due to the cell's DNA damage response for those that still divide despite the lack of telomeres. The death of these cells leaves only those with remaining telomeres to remain.
Despite everything that I have mentioned, I do think that your theory does have some validity. Keep up the good work MatPat!
Some info for the curious: (Sorry for the lack of any good primary literature)
archive.org/stream/LifeTheScienceOfBiology9thEd./Life,%20The%20Science%20of%20Biology%20(9th%20Ed.)_djvu.txt
I changed my mind about ignoring the little things:
7:43 The packing of chromatin into the familiar X structure of chromosomes during cell division was accurate, but it is the structure called the centromere and kinetocore, not telomeres, that allow it to be pulled into separate cells by microtubules.
7:51 You got that detail right! There is indeed a known looping structure at the end of telomeres! Good research matpat! But they aren't just attached to chromosomes. They are literally a part of your DNA sequence.
9:50 The loss of dna per replication is anywhere between 50 and 200 base pairs. Depending on the location of his mutant gene (could be found through chromosome mapping experiments), it is unlikely to reach anything important.
Clark Butler so what IS Logan dying of?
Clark Butler ++
Clark Butler guys i found the new MatPat.
No. no one replaces our MatPat
tldr?
Clark Butler Wow, biology is amazing. :o
This is my theory....when Logan had his healing ability stolen, that was the moment he lost his immortality. It sort of was like it was cut in half or reduced. So when he got his power back he only got about half of what was taken or should we call it "shared". So instead of never aging now he will age.
Logan is immortal
He's been born long before the civil war, also he was fighting androids in the future as shown on the xmen origins wolverine game. If it was oxidation his body would have just purged the rust since his body spits out bullets, not to mention that his chromosomes regenerate and he seemingly never stops healing.
If humans dna deteriorates in 80 years then wolverine would be dead already. He's like almost 400 years old
They only killed him because Hugh is sick of being in xmen movies.
Blaze Osirus exactly 😭
He’s not cause he’s dead in the comic books.
Isn't that because in the movies he time travels?....
Hes. Not dead his healing factor is just really slow
@@Shtick0 hes dead. He was cover in adamantium cocoon and died from Suffocation. if you don't believe this is him after the adamantium harden.
i.pinimg.com/originals/34/fa/12/34fa1298312d754f8f79d91f4072e327.jpg
1.adamantium don't rust.
2. Logan's healing factor heals faster than adamantium poisoning.
3. Logan's healing factor was suppressed with the gmo corn used to suppress the mutant x gene.
4. Logan died by corn
That's the only thing he missed. Everything pretty much makes sense except that he didn't talk about the GMO corn.
lol. good one
Ehem in the comic Logan have 3 death, one of them Logan lose he healling ability because the anti-xman material, and you know what it, it strong but effect X-Men because they are Radioactive
Agree, and Logan's healing goes way beyond just fast healing his wounds, his mutation regererate his dna cells, thats why he lived so long. If your theory was even a little close Logan would die long ago of old age due to his dna cells degradation. Invalid bullshit theory :)
Ponury Miś
Mat was wrong when research the Adamantium, it is the Anti-healing shit, that was a material of the sword of deadpool in a Deadpool vs Deadpool multivers comic, his healling ability is strong enough to fighting this thing, just look a bit closer, the way Logan healling from a bullet faster than he healling do with a claws, that why his the only one have a Adamantium bones, Mat is wrong this shjt is wrong, Mat do the research like a robotic that Adamantium just a normal think, and don't you dare ask why it effect now, because it inside Logan body, Adamantium not cut his body, just inside him and when things come it come, Logan die because Adamantium in his body AND in the comic Chart already talk about it.
The food was implied to be altered to suppressed mutant genes. As stated by a comment from Lupo it caused there to be no more mutants. That why in order to get mutants they had to make them in a lab and use a serum on the clone wolverine to make him heal up properly. So I agree with the theory but I believe the healing factor being so advance kept the loss of DNA because remember he served practically in every war, possibly a Samurai, and that’s Hundreds of years. Which means the cell theory could of and probably should of happen sooner
He wasn't around during the samurai era. His first encounter with the Japanese was World War II.
Officially he was born on 1832, per the comics.
The real reason Logan is dying is that Hugh Jackman's aging and getting over the role.
Nathan Felsch One flaw there though Nathaniel, Hugh Jackman never ages
he said in a interview that he isn't over the Role but he doesn't want to continue doing something he likes until it gets stale, he wants to keep it a fond memory. Of course they aren't the exact words but thats the general Gist of it
yup
They will probably replace him in the near future with an actor that looks similar, and blame the difference on time travel, or reincarnation or some other magic voodoo thing.
This whole video can be summed up in one sentence: *Wolverine isn’t immortal, he’s just getting old*
whatsgoingon07 I’m sad that he’s dead :(
@@RandyDaGamer for an imaginary character 😌😌😌
Nah it’s not age man he’s hundreds of years old
Ive gotten in to debates about age. But the point your making doesnt make sense... In this theory its not because of his age... It's the losse of his healing factor thru the rusted adamantium with time. If not for the adamantly he would still end up dying but very later onward... Its because the amount of damage he takes on a basis is so much that he chromosomes cant heal him up... If we take that out of his body before they put it in him... It wouldn't change the fact his body changed with damage and not by time... Age wasn't on his side in the movie which is true... But the adamantiun in his body was killing him for a while... Like i said if we take that out he probably would experience these affect long after the x men died of old age... Due to him being the only one with a healing factor... Not including deadpool... Knowing logan... Getting in to fights with people is his strong suite so it would be hard to tell when he would die
@@ya_boy_jaxon7974 yes
I think I may have an idea for a theory. The theory should be How did Indiana Jones survive an atomic blast in a refrigerator
Gamzee Plays A Thing that what i wanted for a while now.
Gamzee Plays A Thing cool gam
We do not speak of that movie
shame on you sir, shame
Agree
why. and why is your profile pic that?
What mat thinks:it’s his cells ripping apart
What it is:T R E E
Wouldnt the healing factor heal the telomeres
Carlos Vera stoopid ass nigga, didn’t you hear that mat said his healing factor is getting weaker and weaker
XXXTENTACION bruh if it gets weaker than his healing factor could make it back to 100% with his healing factor. If he can heal from his skin getting almost completely burnt off, then why would it be far fetched for him to be able to heal his telomeres and all his cells
Because his telomeres are the ones controlling the healing factor. The healing factor might not be able to keep up and then slowly 'lose the battle'
katy richards when he’s resting couldn’t they just repair themselves?
It's not that the telomeres are the ones controlling the healing factor... It's that everytime a cell divides, small mutations can happen in the genes, and if one of this mutation occurs inside the healing power original mutation, then it looses its power, as the original mutation has changed, it's no longer a mutant... And then is when the cell can no longer repair the telomeres and, eventually, dies
For my boi Wade, this means that somehow, when he got the healing ability, a the mutation that caused it to ramp up for him, also caused his chromosomes to gain the ability to repair their endings, otherwise he’d pretty much be suffering the same problem.
This is actually a thing that scientists have been trying to figure out, because if we could learn how to repair those dna bits, people could probably live to be at least 200 years old
The chromosomes dont get pulled by the Telomeres, they get pulled by the centromeres. Telomere shortening is a DNA replication issue, not a cell division issue.
You sir, paid attention in biology
Gabyodd and you sir, sound like a fucking British virgin from the 1800's
Champion Wang i may sound like that, just one little thing though, I am very much female
i think he was using cell division as a general term (as to not confuse laymen) to refer to mitosis and then he just meant interphase
Wife not girlfriend
It's not adamantium poisoning, it's the Legacy virus, which is mentioned heavily in comics leading up to and surrounding the Old Man Logan comic story.. The movie left out a ton of details about this, but they make subtle references to it. It's the reason most of the other mutants are dead, why a mutant hasnt been born in like almost 30yrs and why Wolverine, is losing his ability to heal.. It essentially is like Mutant Cancer/AIDS/Ebola
No, they did said in the movie it was because someone slide a kind of the mutant cure into food and stuff like that that stopped new mutants from getting their powers or being born as mutants. They killed the x gene. Nobody said they weren't anymore mutants somewhere else.
That would be the legacy virus bro... They didn't actually say the name I believe due to some licensing with Marvel... But check the comic... The doctor that created X-23/24 in the movie is the one who actually created it in the comic
Yeah, but in the comics they also said Logan killed all the X-Men after Mysterio of all people tricked him into thinking that they were invading villains who divided the USA after all the heroes either died or turned into caricatures of a Jeff Foxworthy joke. Man, I wish Fox would just give the rights back to Marvel!
They basically leave it up to your own interpretation.
Will Murphy Its mainly due to the adamantium read more xmen/wolverine comics, his healing factor isn't even as good as it was when he had the bone claws. After his adamantium upgrade his healing factor had to keep the adamantium from killing him all those days before -- but then after some time ... the adamantium overpowered his healing factor and he began to age aswell as die in the process. All of this is mainly because of the poisonous metal..there's even a logan who has uru plated bones in an alternate universe who even said the adamantium is bad for logan ..his healing factor is always active and it took a toll on him.
As a person who underwent scoliosis surgery almost a decade ago, I now have a new fear. Thanks, Matt!
Logan:My skeleton is poisoning me
Iron Man 2: Tony: **AHEM**
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Tony replaces what is poisoning him.
Honestly this video made me learn more than four years of science in high school. TEACH ME DNA THROUGH THE XMEN.
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Asking the question of what killed Logan, metal poisoning or DNA degeneration is like asking what's more deadly gunshot to the heart or head. They both kill you, Logan wouldn't be any less dead. The real problem isn't ether of these for sure. We don't know if the metal on his bones was killing him and we don't know if he could heal his DNA. We do know that additives in the food was stopping mutations in humans. I think that's the sure bet. It just took longer for Logan because of his healing factor.
Chris Martin wolverine has 3 claws
VonDOOM actually he has 6
alek lashomb *WHO NEEDS SCHOOL WHEN YOU HAVE FILM THEORY THATS RIGHT I SAID IT*
ok, I thought the answer this was actually explained in the movie. as long as you had the right background info.
background info- Logan has healing factor and adamantium on his bones. Logan has always had adamantium poisoning, he just healed through it. it's also important to note that logan has also always healed the aging process. (He is even much much older than the professor.)
new info given in movie: Logan has aged somehow, something is poisoning logan, and they have been putting something in public foods to deter mutant powers (they described this as why the mutants are not being born and dying out)
obvious conclusion: this stuff in the food is not just preventing kids from developing powers, but lowering all current mutant powers too. (it otherwise doesn't make sense that the mutants are "dying off" when the professor is still alive. they obviously aren't dying of old age. they are just losing their powers). And since Logan is also losing his healing factor, he started aging again and started to be affected by the adamantium poisoning. Easy answer given by the movie itself.
This is exactly right and I'm glad someone was paying attention during the movie. Bravo!
Good conclusion. Logan was the only X-Men movie I have seen, so I didn't know about the mutant poison thing. However, I like Matpat's conclusion since it allowed me to learn a little more about cell reproduction.
Zachary Gilmore but as someone who already knew both the info to get this info, and matpats info. It just seemed like he wasn't paying attention
Brady Roose its been established in the comics that logan ages just alot slower in one comic he even died from old age
Why don't they just grow their own food and live in the forests or something to get away from the mutant-poisoned food? Surely they could do that.. The kids technically did just that I suppose
in the movie, he was supposed to be 197 years old.
I'm sure a few people already brought it up, but I always felt that the reason his healing factor was slowing down had something to do with the mutagen or whatever it was that they put in the food to keep mutants from occurring naturally. He probably ate his fair share of it and if it started to break down the x gene in his body then yes the Adamantium would be responsible for his symptoms. Not necessarily because Adamantium oxidizes I'm pretty sure that its magic metal properties would keep it from rusting, but I'm sure that encasing your bones in anything would lead to some crazy body functions such as bone marrow issues etc.
Mutagen😂 wrong movie. TMNT🐢
Garrett Welton no they were putting something in the water and corn. Remember when logen goes to the house in the country side
JJ P I know, I was joking😂
Caleb Koch I had the same idea, and that the same was causing Xavier's degenerative brain condition.
Caleb Koch He should stop predicting films he hasn't seen yet, they just prove him wrong
okay, SPOILER ALERT!!!!
If you watch the movie closely, you'll notice you are actually wrong about telomer damage causing this. The story makes it quite clear actually that mutants are losing their powers because the food supply has been deliberately tainted with gene therapy aimed at wiping out mutant x-genes, causing mutants to lose their powers and preventing new mutants to be born. This has caused Logan's healing factor to deteriorate, making him vulnerable to adamantium poisoning. So what is killing him isn't old age, it is genetic poisoning by Doctor Rice.
Geert Hoeks But that wouldn't affect Logan because of his healing!
Ro Na it would: if the exposure is large enough over a long enough time he would be affected. It is like how he can get drunk or can get drugged if he just gets enough into his system. If he were to refrain from eating tainted goods however, he would probably recover and his healing factor return to normal.
RUclipsr good point, but it doesn't dispel the fact that it is ultimately caused by the tainted food.
Geert Hoeks when the Phoenix was destroying his skin he was healing as fast I don't think food would do him that much harm.
Ro Na He has been ingesting gene altering medication for about 2 decades when we see him in Logan. Besides, if Phoenix would have been able to keep doing what she was doing for longer, Logan's rate of healing would have decreased as well. there is only so much he can take. Apart from that, the last stand has been retconned out of existence anyway.
If he went to wakanda
Evacuate the city
Engage all defensive
And get this man a vibrainuim skeleton
TheRedStone1 but animantium is stronger than vibranium (I know I spelled it wrong)
@@salsa-hq7gz They are the same metal check it out, is a video about that on yt
No just give him black panther powers
But he never will they wont cross universe
But adamantium cuts vibranium
Please do a new video about why Wolverine died in Logan, but other version of Wolverine didn't die in Deadpool and Wolverine.
I gotta say, that was the smoothest Segway into an ad ever
Liz R I hate to be that guy, but... In this context it's spelled segue. :)
Peter F THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I never knew that, I learned something new.
"...and may I say, these razors are SMOOTH! they just GLIDE through hair!"
I scrolled down to post this exact thing. Fucking brilliant Segue (Peter F lol)
Only women and children don't have beards
Well he would have survived if he was brought to Wakanda. Just saying.
CMJ1989 lol
CMJ1989 Well said👏🤣WAKANDA FOREVER
CMJ1989 fuck wakanda that move sucked
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He is talking about the tech not the movie you salty bitch.
In the comics that Logan is based on, it's explained that his healing factor is essentially "worn down" from the metal poisoning from the adamantium. Just like how Deadpool is essentially a walking shit-talking clump of cancer cells being constantly healed, Logan's healing factor is at all times being taxed by the adamantium poisoning. In the original trilogy films, Days of Future Past, etc. he's obviously fine because he isn't suffering from the adamantium poisoning yet, or it hasn't begun to affect his healing. But by the time of "Old Man Logan", he's had the adamntium long enough that it is both poisoning him and constantly taxing his healing factor. It's not entirely gone either, but he can't tank a spray of bullets and keep trucking like he used to be able to. He's still able to heal faster than the average human, but slower than he could previously. So, you're not entirely wrong, but you are a little late. :P
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who’s here after we find out he’s coming back
That advertisement at the end was so smooth matpat... almost as smooth as the shave you'll get with the dollar shave club
(slow claps)
Bravo good sir, bravo to you.
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Me: (gives slow clap)
*5 cpm (claps per minute)*
Because of the spoiler, it took me almost a month to watch this video
same, XD
yup
Joaco Decima yup
Same. Finally saw it today and here I am for my Film Theory on it.
Joaco Decima omg same
Hi Matpat! Currently doing a degree. I just handed in an assignment with this video as one of my references. Fingers cross I pass 😂
In the comics (where the movie is based of) its implyed that the adamantium in Logas has been messing with the healing factor from the start. The healing used to be instant before the project x.
or so i have heard
As far as I'm aware, this is it. Logan's healing factor was MUCH stronger before the adamantium infusion, which immediately started poisoning him. It's just a fact that the poisoning is finally starting to win, the healing factor could only work on overdrive for so long.
That would actually be in line with this theory. His healing factor has to work constantly to deal with the adamantium poisoning. That caused it to be slower and Logan to wear out faster.
I wonder who Logas is...
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if his healing factor was instant what even was the point of the adamantium
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
but what about that green drug they give him in the movie
that isnt explained by the gene theory
Now you know how your dying, so stop it
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3:28 oh really? *WELL THATS JUST GREAT BECAUSE ITS NOT LIKE I HAVE FIVE METAL SCREWS AND A PLATE SURGICALLY IMPLANTED IN MY FOOT OR ANYTHING*
Sara . . . That's what really depressed me about the whole video!
yeah me too but my wrist I'm a bit worried
Thats nice Sara, if you dont have that then you have nothing to worry about.
it is explained in the comics that his adamantuim is poisining but it cant his healing gene is too strong for it to battle and in logan they explain that the food is poisined to suppress mutations so the food is supressing his healing ability making it so his adamantuim can poisin him
Hey just think that Logan’s healing factor is like T-Mobiles unlimited data you think you have all of the data you want but then it slows down and is nothing
Better than overcharges and has to pay twice the price for it xD
Shots fired
New upgrade is needed make wolverines skeleton out of diamond done no more corrosion
Asian PanDuh so true
This is probably the sickest burn I’ve ever seen
Biggest problem with this theory: Logan's cells replicate more often than the average person, therefore if his telomeres are not protected by his mutation, then he would have aged faster than normal people rather than not at all for almost 200 years.
Biggest problem with you argument: His healing factor slows cell decay to almost a stop.
charlie baxter no, no, no. He has a good point. Even if his cells, in their normal state, weren't decaying at all, in the movies and comics, wolverine is getting injured almost CONSTANTLY. So he'd still age faster because of the high cell turnover rate from injury.
And to address the original question, it seems very likely that Logan's cells are "immoral" meaning they produce telomerase, which keeps telomeres from getting shorter. He either has lots of immortal stem cells, or all of his cells are capable of producing telomerase. He would still age then, albeit much, much slower than normal people, because the only source of DNA degradation is random error (that 1 change/3 divisions Mattpatt mentioned.) So one of those random changes could've very affected his healing factor.
Christopher Erickson agreed. This is an accurate statement
Kara Christen a much more viable theory is the corn syrup one. It's briefly mentioned in the movie, but genetically modified corn crops contain an anti-X gene in them. It's used as an explanation as to why there's no more mutants being born. However corn syrup (if I'm not incorrect) is a key ingredient in beer and alcohol. Assuming the anti-X gene chemical survives the beer making process, you've got a Logan with a drinking problem.
So in the end alcoholism killed the wolverine :D
This is actually the best response because it actually follows what we are told in the movie. Logan was constantly drinking and since he was consuming so much the anti-X gene was constantly killing him.
Remember in Toby's "spiderman2"? Peter Parker chose not to be spiderman and thus, his powers are gone(until later in the movie).
In this movie, Logan seriously wants to die and he declines his healing powers, so I guess it's his choice to die ?
Sir David he can't decline them, he has control over only the claws, his healing is involuntary.
klonkthegear - Games and Vlogs so is spideys strength and precognition etc
It was Charles. Every time he had an episode, Logan was the only one to get close to him so I contend that professor X was unconsciously switching his healing factor off so Logan couldn't stop him dying. As soon as he dies, the mental and physical blocks (he crippled the world physically as well as mentally when he had a fit) would be literally healed over time. Logan is what 300 years old. He loses his power over a few years. It wouldn't fade that quickly. Just saying
Wouldn't a theoretical healing factor like logan has, heal the telomeres of his dna. Considering it can rapidly and extensively heal any part of his body, why would it limit itself in the size of repairs?
I think you are right, even in real life there is an enzyme called Telomerase which fixes telomeres, in a fiction world it should work even better?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ when writers don't do research
berkay karlik telomerase is only present when the egg and sperm dna mix (or at least sometime around there), so that when the egg starts dividing, it has the entirety of the telomere. Shortly after, the telomerase disappears (not sure if scientists have figured out why yet), leaving you with all the telomere you'll ever have in your entire life. So its not like telomerase can just come back and add a little more dna onto the telomere, youre stuck with what you have. My real problem with this theory is that once the telomeres are gone, every time a cell replicates, real dna would be taken off each chromosome. And since the dna that was taken off would be necessary for cell function, he would start deteriorating as soon as the real dna after the telomeres was cut off. So unless the healing factor gene was present on the chromosomes literally right after the telomeres, its wouldnt be the healing factor disappearing thats killing logan, but instead his important dna disappearing, as his body would be missing the some of the code necessary to properly function.
In most interpretations of the character, his healing factor heals him by increasing the rate of replication of cells and thus being able to repair tissues from any remaining cell at an incredible fast rate. The telomeres are part of the DNA, which is inside of each nucleus of most cells. You could say that, in order to duplicate cells, you do need to duplicate the DNA as well, and it's correct.
But the "healing" of the telomeres is a whole different process because you are not repairing tissue by increasing the rate of duplication of cells, you are repairing a very particular part of your DNA. The enzyme that makes the telomere expand is, as someone said, telomerase, but that enzyme is only active in a very few cells in a mature body, it only really works when you are still not even born. There is nothing in Wolverine's power that would justify the fact that his telomerases work any different, since his healing factor doesn't need this, and it's a different process.
Well telomerase does come back in some cells... Cancer cells hence they can replicated without stopping at crazy rates but year normal cells its gone
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Chaylen Tejeda This is so random
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Chaylen Tejeda don't let that distract you from the fact that 15 minutes can save you 15%or more on car insurance
Chaylen Tejeda oh god I hate that commercial
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Why doesn't his healing powers just heal his healing powers?
i´m not a expert in x-men movies but:I guess that the healing powers only make new cells,healing his body,the healing power didn´t heals cells.
Kennedy Dizik when a toenail breaks does the same toenail come back. No it grows making a new one. His cells don't fix it. There is a code for what his body remember and his cells reproduce it. Think of dead pools hand. The body didn't absorb the hand he dropped. He just made a new one
sent2destroyU yeah his cells reproduce themselves but they wouldn't change cause of the healing ability found in each one. Plus the term you used reproduce literally means Making a copy of something so his cells don't change. That's why if deadpool was to get decapitated his face wouldn't change because his cells don't grow back they reproduce their previous ones which is why the telomeres should technically repair themselves. Honestly the real reason he died was because of real life and Hugh Jackman not having the same abilities as wolverine.
Kennedy Dizik because science
Technology
Kennedy Dizik BECAUSE HES BATMAN!!! Wait.... wrong super hero... sorry my bad
Can Logan not regenerate his telomeres? In theory he could, correct?
His regeneration only allows him to regenerate new cells, not existing cells. With each new cell, the telomeres get smaller & smaller
Technically though... His healing factor isn't "swift cell replication" but regeneration. Otherwise Deadpool wouldn't be saved from cancer, and even Hugh Jackman would have felt the dire consequences of radiation many times over.
My greatest problem with Mat's vid, is that he cherry picks the mixed mess of the Logan film... Nothing that was shown in the film could affect Logan... The theory would have been so much interesting if he 'd have based it on the OML comic and the "pacifism kills" idea instead...
Firstly, wouldn't swift cell replication just kill him faster (since his telomeres would be taxed faster)?
Second, if that's what happens, time for some, uh, stupid science...
Wouldn't it, then, be a solution to batch-remove cells from different parts of his body (maybe cut them out) to force his body to make new cells (presumably with fresh telomeres- otherwise he simply wouldn't get an extended age), meaning if that I'm following this correctly, getting injured would actually help INCREASE his life span, in a twist of what I call stupid science.
Shark in theory, ITS A FICTIONAL MOVIE, lol...
micheal hoffstater Cells do not replicate with fresh telomeres, that's why we have less and less over time.
Matpat. I love you. But this was explained during the film itself. Do you remember the doctor that Wolverine killed near the end? He had modified food and water to inhibit the "x-gene" in people, which inhibited Wolverine's healing factor which allowed his adamantium poisoning to overtake his body. This is why Wolverine was so skeptical of new mutants, such as Laura, existing.
w00dchucks I don't think the point was for the modification to affect any pre-existing mutants otherwise people like Caliban or Xavier's powers would be weakened. The fact that adamantium has been messing with Wolverine's healing factor has been a thing in the comics before. I don't think the food had anything to do with it in Wolverine's case.
This caused the proffesor's power to be affected and is why he lost control and killed the other X-men, on existing mutants seems to not shut them down but change them, I walked out of the movie thinking everyone understood that part but seems a lot thought different
w00dchucks
The food dr. Rice cooked up prevented new mutations, it didn't stop old ones.
Delilah Fox It inhibits the x gene within all humans. past or future ones (natural ones).
It seemed like the movie stated it only eliminated mutant genes in future humans and pasts mutants weren't effected.
Rather than "Bumpers" I think a better comparison for Telomeres is the plastic at the end of your shoelace. Once it's gone the shoelace (or your DNA strands) frays much faster.
Garrett Mac good comparison
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Richard Wardle thank you
man i loved phineas and ferb
i can promise you that i will forget it just as fast as the last hundred times I've forgotten it.
Old people understanding science after many, many years :
Me, understanding time travel and genetics after watching a few 10 minute videos:
Smert
I had a cough. Now I have lung cancer.
11JellyCatt11 the doctor said 2 months.
Oh really? I sneezed, now I have the plague.
Great episode, but I do have one major question: isn't adamantium supposed to be indestructible? (Apart from all those times it isn't because the writers wrote themselves into a corner with that one) The whole point of it is that nothing eats away at it, and nothing destroys it. How would it deteriorate in his body, if it literally doesn't deteriorate at all? An example of this, is that Wolverine actually once found an adamantium-laced skull in Apocalypse's lab, and noted it seemed to have been there for eons, yet no deterioration? Just wondering.
Exactly, I'm not quite buying the explanation that adamantium is breaking down in his body. If that were true wouldn't have we seen some wear and tear on the claws as well? But they were shiny, just as the first day and I'm betting they've seen quite a bit more blood/water/any liquid and oxygen than his skeleton did. So, there must be something else.
KamikazeeGecko thats if you think theyre rusting.meatls are toxic and cause poisoning by just being in the body
They dont need to rust to cause poisoning
That's not true, Fox, if you look back to the video Mat brings up the great example of real-life cases of people being poisoned by metal implants being in the body for too long. Simply putting metal in your body won't kill you, else ol' Logan would've died in The Wolverine when he had that parasite in his heart.
Mentle heres the thing though the metal for hip replacement generally safe as they do not pocess chemicals that would cause posioning.if you put lead in your body it will kill you just by being there because adamantium isnt real we have assume it its posioning him from chemicals that it pocesses
no. i mean. okay, i get you have to make a case for him dying because hugh jackman didnt want to do the movies anymore, but... In the old man logan story he survived for a long time, and the adamantium never halted his healing factor. In "The death of Wolverine" his healing factor got shut down, so the adamantium started to effect him... Basically fox didnt read the comics and hughy wanted to get the fuck out
If there's one thing we know about Fox its that they never EVER read the comics
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If Wolverine can heal from the poison of a mutant lady, then why he can not heal from adamanti poisoning.😣
he's waaay more than 104 years old. He fought in the American civil war
No he's 197 check the xmen movie wikia.
RakatL wiki? yeah soooooooooooooooooooooo accurate
If we want to go 616-Canon, he shouldn't be more than 135, though 120 is more likely. This according to the Marvel Encyclopedia (which is endorsed by Marvel). It says he was born around the turn of the century, which obviously means late 1800s/early 1900s since he's not a kid in the main comics. I would suspect late 1800s due to his clothing in his origin comics.
I'm pretty sure he said 140.
we can all agree that he's just very old
I was thinking he started dying because of the stuff that was put into the food supply to kill the mutants? That also may be why professor X began having seizes...
Ian McGavin you are correct
Ian McGavin he had a degenerative brain disease that he got from old age.
Kristopher Awojobi in the comic.he died because of a virus from the microverse who "cured" wolverine healing factors which alerted all of.his enemies to go and kill him, eventually tracking down the weapon x project en dying covered by melted adamantium, that's the last and final death of logan in the comics, now regarding the film,.the water and food cured this same healing factor making the adamantium poisoning muh stronger and faster since he can't properly heal. (also the water and food prevents from more.mutans to born) they even mentio in the film that it was some.sort of mistake, that they never intended to exterminate them.
I swear, he would be the best science teacher
And the guy in "Because Science"
Benjamin Hamilton shutup
Benjamin Hamilton lol savage you don't think he does his on thinking?
Benjamin Hamilton mad bro
Hello students and welcome to science class!
You know, there was this one guy who claimed to have put anti-mutant serum in corn syrup. But, all the alcohol that Logan consumes, contains that corn syrup. So, he has been consuming the anti-mutant serum this whole time. That's why his healing factor has been deteriorating.
He sold his ass off with the dollar shave club add at the end. Respect ✊
Adrian Rangel I was dying when I heard that pitch
If you watched the movie, youd understand that the reason the Mutants are becoming deceased & no Mutants are being born is the fact that Transigen have put anti mutant suppressants in all STARCH based products, slowly killing off and weakening mutants. This is why the farm scene was so important & the reason why that Black father had no more control over his water
*Click for a more detailed explanation* *BELOW*
*Some of you are confused.*
-- Original xmen originally died from Wolverine due to a hallucination put on Logan back at the mansion (via comics), but in LOGAN the idea for this was toned down to Charles having a seizure which ended up killing them all.
-- As far as people doubting that the Transigen was dampening logan's powers, it was. It was a combination of that and the Adamantium, but honestly i doubt this was much of an issue, the whole idea of rust being an issue doesnt make a plausible argument why his claws wernt showing visible rust and also the question of why now-- after 100+ years, doesnt make sense. But Ill give in and say that could be part of the issue.
-- I did some research and found a much more detailed explanation *Below*
"There seems to be a lot of confusion about WHY Logan's healing abilities and the professor's mental abilities were diminished... it was because of the CORN. Dr. Rice, at the end of the movie was talking about how they created a biological agent that suppressed natural mutant gene development, Voila... no more mutants being born. But how could they get everyone to take the agent... genetically modify it into the corn plant which gets made into corn syrup and put into nearly everything. Anyone else notice how often they referenced the corn company throughout the movie? And what about the conversation between Logan and the farmer guy as they were walking through the field? If it wasn't anything, then why make a big deal about it?
Now, the bio agent could suppress future mutants from being born... but what happens to adult mutants? It causes their abilities to not function properly. In the professor, the agent attacked his mental abilities. Since it's his mind, it probably started breaking down the bonds between his neural pathways causing memory loss and seizures, but most would merely pass that off as "old age" instead of a deliberate commando attack on the mutant genome. In Logan, it affected his healing. Anyone notice how much whiskey Logan was drinking? Whiskey is made with at least 51% corn. "
Had to correct this, sorry mattpatt.
"They explain why he lost his healing factor and why there are no more mutants. Transigen created a genetic dampener and used it in the water to stop mutations from happening and killing off existing mutations, like Logan's healing factor. Once again, you miss an obvious point just so you can make an episode."
That wasn't the point. The stuff they put into those products wasn't destructive. It prevented mutants from being born, it didn't kill or de-mutate?...already existing ones. The stuff they put into the water couldn't have killed Logan or decrease the potency of his mutation.
+TagAnimationz
That stops the genetic spread of mutants (no new mutants being born) but does *not* do anything to the powers of already existing ones. Looks like you just missed an obvious point so you could make a reply.
How does this explain that the entire X-Men team, and nearly all other mutants are dead though?
No one was able to outlive Professor X? That just seems very unlikely.
I agree with the initial comment, and think his healing power kept the him alive for a bit longer than normal. Professor X was shown with a small garden early on, so I think he just never got poisoned, but Logan ended up having enough to damage his abilities.
+Richard Adams
7 of the X-Men were killed by Professor X when he had his first mental "breakdown", along with about 400 humans. This lead to the government classifying Charles' brain as "a weapon of mass destruction" and secretly killing off most of the mutants (except the ones under their control) by standard means of assassination and foulplay. That's where the movie opens, with Logan protecting Charles. (This was confirmed by the directors to be a 'prolougue' to the movie but was then cut.)
This is what most people get confused by. Yes, the government *did* attempt (and succeed) to kill the mutants, but not suppress their powers from the food
Why do I learn more here than in school
Because you learn the things that matter most here. XD
I agree, school teaches me either stuff I wont use, already know, or something absolutely useless, this is interesting. Due to this, Ive out smarted my teachers quite a few times
This video fails basic cell biology. Please just pay attention in biology class...
Hector Diaz actually this is what I learn at school and I have a test next week so this counts as studying (maybe)
Because School sucks
hey if you paid closer attention it was that there was a mutant cure in the alcohol which weakens his healing factor and that's why he's dying to his adamantium
"Why now after a 100 and plus years?" Mat, I like you. I really do... But he hasn't had Adamantium in the last 100 and plus years! You just said it a couple of minutes ago. He had it as an add on in the 70s! And last time I checked the 70s wasn't 100 years ago.
welp I looked up the year when the movie takes place just to make sure and yep not a hundred years just around 50-60 since movies starts in 2029.
james earl yeah but he did go back in time in days of future past
Bob Denver But didn't he came back to the present time after that? It's been awhile since I watched the movie.
james earl I did not know that detail, but my case still applies. xD
+Bob Denver Only his consciousness went back to the past, when he returned, he did so to the body of the Logan of the new timeline, who still got the procedure and I believe he got it even sooner than in the original timeline. Whatever effects he had in his body didn't go away because it was just his mind that got transferred.
Technically, if he has healing factor cant his own DNA just heal his "bumpers"
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maybe I don't have time to research that though
Yes it should. But this is still the best explanation
It can't because nothing is damaged. It's just slightly changed. Healing would imply that something was broken in the first place, which is not the case here. Telomeres don't exactly break with each cell duplication. It actually gets smaller a smaller (each chromosome resulting from the duplication having a part of the original chromosome's telomere). I'm not a expert of cell duplication but I think that's how it works.
Ain't broken, don't fix it.
I love this show so much. I can't afford to go back to school and it was really boring anyway and this is one thing that really scratches that academic itch. Thanks for waking up my brain!
Unfortunately, Matpat, your entire theory of adamantium poisoning working after his healing factor starts failing comes crashing to a halt with just one name: Bullseye. His skeleton is laced with adamantium as well, to no ill effects (in a process refined by the original developer of the method, further than the original stolen by Stryker). That, however, is just the first pea beneath the princess' mattress. Lady Deathstrike as well, bonded adamantium to her skeleton to no ill effects. Those who died during Stryker's attempt at replicating Dark Wind's process simply couldn't survive the bonding process because of the sheer cellular shock, and inability of the body's cells to fuse with the adamantium. It was *rejected* by Wolverine's body due to how his healing factor operates (and is part of why every moment of his life was endless suffering and pain) until his healing factor eventually corrupted it into a unique variation that Logan's body uniquely recognizes as part of his own flesh and blood, but it is not an actual poison. Now, Omega Red's off-brand Soviet attempt at Adamantium, called Carbonadium? THAT is poisonous, and is constantly slowly killing Omega Red, requiring him to vampirically leech life force from living beings periodically, to maintain his own health.
Additionally, Logan's healing factor includes the regeneration of the telomeres, normally (yes, that means that Logan is almost immortal, with very few things able to actually kill him in the end); what hit him in Old Man Logan (both the original story AND the movie) was a rather nasty synthetic viroid, called the Legacy Virus, which is basically an uncoated RNA strand that directly bypasses the telomeres and other DNA protections and inserts introns (junk data in DNA and RNA sequencing that interrupts a sequence) into the x-factor, that is, the part of the DNA that explicitly grants their mutant abilities (this part you got right, just not the mechanism).
1. you spent way too much time thinking of this and typing it up
2. if you know these things off the top of your head then you need to get a life, or a girlfriend, or both.
3. you are right about the telomeres being part of Logan's regenerative mutation but the viroid seems a little far fetched. I looked it up and you are right but until it is directly stated in the movie lore I am going to stick to the adamantium poisoning explanation, but that's just my opinion.
4. I couldn't come up with anything else so... DEZZZZZNUTS!
silky vines so instead of offering an argument or pointing out a flaw, you have decided to play edgy 12 year old and insult his life. And by that logic, MatPat has no gf (he does) and no life (he does). And then you know random fact off the top of your head as well. And wait, you haven't even seen the movie yet.
1) Bullseye had implant rejection therapy, wolverine's healing factor made that unnecessary. (yes stryker didn't know how to do it either, but do you really think he would have if he did, he's an asshole)
2) lady deathstrike had a healing factor. so your point about her is stupid and you should be ashamed of it
3) you're talking about comics, we're talking about the movies here, completely different timelines and powers for many of the characters.
4)Omega red's mutant power was to leach life, which is why he was given the carbonadium (you looked this shit up, why put a question mark to pretend like you don't know how to spell it) which was known to be poisonous, because his unique healing ability would allow him to heal faster than even healing factor mutants like wolverine or deadpool. also he isn't in the cinematic universe yet so.... yea, not cinematic point of comparison.
Renegade Richard Grayson You do realise he wasn't talking to MatPat, right? He was replying to the guy who first commented in this thread.
you can have a life and still do these things, especially if your gf/wife enjoy these things too, not all women just wear makeup and bitch all day.
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in the movie they explained that the bad scientist are genetically modifying corn to kill mutant powers and in the movie u can see logan eating corn flakes and shit so u see that leads to his healing factor vanishing.
Rudraksha Kalia that's what I thought the movie implied, that the modified corn was doing something to the DNA of all mutants and killed off most of them.
It prevented new mutants from being born. I don't know about the preexisting mutants.
awsomeboxhead they were either killed by professor x or hunted down and captured by the reavers
awsomeboxhead they effected existing mutants as well that is why professor x was also effected coz corn is used everywhere these days and they are consuming it.
Rudraksha Kalia fucking corn XD
I’m in AP biology and sometimes I come back to this video when I forget some DNA/RNA stuff
One major problem, Wolverine has been alive for so long and healed so much that his telemeers would have run out long before Logan. Hell he probably wouldn't have made it to 2000 considering he fought in a world war got injured so much.
the real reason was given in the movie as well it was the anti X gene poison that did in wolverine regen. the reason professor x still had his power was that his mutantion had to do with his brain and the brain replaces cells very slowly but the problems he had likely stemed for it as well day's of futures past future scenes would have had logan in as bad a state he was in in logan if it was just the adamantium in play.
the bad guy's also likely had an antidote(which they likely gave to the tracker Caliban not that it mattered they only used the poisoned corn syrup for 10 years so they only had to avoid stuff that had it for 10 years to not be poisoned in the first place). they even offer to fix wolverine at the end before the final battle if he cooperated
No, the GMO anti-X corn only affected mutants that had not been born yet, mutants with powers were not affected by the corn.
Wait - I just realised something. Wolverine did, at some point in the comics, regenerate his whole body from a single drop of blood. i just realised, that his adamantium skeleton regenerated... how is that possible? btw great video MatPat
Well I know in some comic stories he can make a sort of beta adamantium to repair damage to the proto stuff coating his skeleton, but no idea how he'd just produce an entire skeleton's worth out of pretty much nowhere
I believe he had some kind of magic help him regenerate from the drop of blood thing.
I do believe it was Scarlett witch that saved him.
PlassWarrior. in the comics his heeling is much better and
Draco Safarius Ok cool Thx a lot
Valid points, but let me add one film theory that is so much more simpler... In the movie, the doctor explains that the reason that there are no more mutants is because they have been adding chemicals to the food and water supply for X years (Don't remember how many) and it is highly possible that the food and water he has been consuming has slowly been shutting down those X-Factor DNA strands and started to kill him.
I know right i just commented that they say it in the movie
Except that it was meant to not produce new mutants, not to kill existing ones.
Michael Esposito fair point, but wouldn't said anti-mutation chemicals also disable or hinder the x-factor in the genes? It does seem like a simpler theory then the DNA strands are becoming too short.
Thank you. Someone paid attention to the movie. It was very heavily implied that what killed off the mutant gene in general thereby not only harming living mutants but also suppressing the mutant gene so that no new mutants were born is what is destroying Logan's healing factor. In short, the genetically mutated corn syrup that is found in most foods is what is destroying Logan's healing factor. It also explains why X-23 and X-24 didn't have that problem. They weren't exposed to the corn syrup until they left the facility in Mexico. It has nothing to do with telemlomeres. The answer was in the movie if you were paying attention.
I thought I was the only one that noticed. Because it makes sense, if the anti x-gene agent is able to get rid of the x gene in humans, it could also do the same for mutants cuz they're made of that gene.
They actually said in the movie that they had the mutant cure in the corn starch and Logan’s powers are slowly fading away because of his alcoholism, which has corn starch in it
if he dies. will the rest of his skeleton looks like terminator??
Bilal Abdel The Dz ohh hell yeah did you see the kneeling down silver skeleton yeah that's what the skeleton would look like because it's his skeleton
Bilal Abdel The Dz probably
Jay Shanahan boi
Bilal Abdel The Dz what that's what would happen or are you saying boi cuz I said grammar probably the grammar comment right sorry I don't really even care for grammar
yes, if you watched 90s cartoon there was future episodes with bishop you see in science lab wolverines skeleton
Hey matpat, can you put all of the Gorrilaz music videos into a timeline and explain their story?
cea cea, I agree. I've been waiting SO long to suggest this, and with spirit house trending, this is the PERFECT time to get his attention.
Dandanmanman great idea
+ 1
Dandanmanman YESS
ya do it, as the comment army rises
Your mention of Logan's telomeres might be the culprit, except that for his mutation being a "healing factor" would mean his actual mutation has to be located IN his telomeres! Otherwise, no matter how many wounds he's taken over those years--he STILL would've died when he reached 120-130 yrs old anyhow, no matter what.
Moreover, the entire movie points toward one more likely cause...remember, not just Logan's mutant power is failing, but EVERY mutant's powers are on the fritz! The movie went out of its way to state that there hadn't been any new mutants born for over 25 years (except those being created in the lab in Mexico)!
This means all naturally occurring mutants are being systematically killed off, their births and/or powers are suppressed, and this fits in with the Marvel Comics' Legacy storyline, where some agency has introduced an element into the environment that has attacked ALL mutants, including Charles and Logan!
Enter: Chechov's Gun. Cinematically, many of the things mentioned at the farm really have no bearing on Logan and Laura's journey.
Oh, but then we get to the end of the film where the chief bad guys show up, the ones that created those mutants in Mexico...they're an Agricultural Conglomerate!
BOOM!! Checkov's Gun has just been fired! The bullet being: GMOs in the food supply!
Interesting that you should bring that up. I recall a graphic novel of one of the Hulk vs Logan battles. At the end, Logan had cut out the Hulk's heart, killing him...and as he was walking away, he heard Hulk's heart start beating again.
It was at that moment that Logan had an epiphany of not only the Hulk, but of himself: When the Gamma Bomb turned Bruce Banner into the Hulk, the radiation had created a cancer in Banner. The cancer WAS the Hulk. That was what made the Hulk so resilient--no matter how much you shot him or cut him, his "cancer" regrew so fast that you almost couldn't see any wounds. And Logan realized that it was not unlike *his own* healing factor.
The only logical location for Logan's mutation would have to be in his telormeres, a mutation that *just ballances* the level of normal cancer with unlimited healing.
But remember, this is comic book logic. Any resemblance to reality is strictly an unanticipated side effect of the story. After all, there's no mutation anywhere in our human genes that can result in laser eye beams of Scott Summers or the magnetic manipulative powers of Magneto, either. :D
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LOL right! haha
nothing theoretical about it In that same speech you mentioned the head scientist giving at the end of the movie he mentioned having created a virus that he referred to as his legacy. In the comics the legacy virus worked by attacking a mutants X factor gene, and either caused their own powers to tear apart their bodies, or just unraveled their entire genetic structure like a kitten with a ball of yarn.
As for why he needed the reavers and Caliban. even with the most effective deaseses there's always a handful of people with natural immunity.
I just posted a long comment about why i don't agree entirely with the theory...then I scroll down and find yours and see that we thought of the same thing... Damn...one month too late.
fun fact: the immortal jellyfish is immortal because it has no cellular impurities, it is THE PERFECT LIFEFORM and the only way it can die is from starvation, so technically it's not immortal except it is