Could you make a tier list for engineering and build quality of GPUs for Nvidia and its board partners? It would be a great thing to get an opinion from someone with so much knowledge and experience like you.
That's not very nice! Pressurize the guy, put the squeeze on him, just a teenie bit more, manufacturers already peeved with what he's doing, envisioned somehow depriving them of revenue.. or some triviality. It's never true but doesn't stop big players from going after the small guys, occasionally, just euthanising anyone in the repair game, who even remotely, might stand in some way against "policies". Laugh it up! It's happened before. Have you noticed the extent to which Apple has gone? Do you honestly think, oh man yes! - This guy's got nothing better to do than make a list for me! Are you quite right there, people? Anything else you want someone to do for you?
I normally avoid Gigabyte, but I did purchase my Gigabyte 4070 from Best Buy. I noticed after installing it that it would start up fine, but when I'd do a restart like after a driver install or windows update it wouldn't start back up, but if I let it sit for about 10 minutes or so it would start right up. I used it for a few weeks with that problem, then sent it in for RMA. Gigabyte had it for a couple of days, then sent it back to me stating they couldn't find a problem. Surprisingly, it didn't have that problem anymore. For those of you that are going to say I didn't slot it correctly you are not correct, as I re-slotted the card numerous times during the problem stage. I believe Gigabyte did find and repair something that they didn't want to admit.
My Gigabyte 3080 has been trooping along for a while now. Hope it continues to have no problems along its journey through life. I know where to go when it does eventually have some though😊
@spd-v9o yeah I have plenty of filters and don't keep my computer on overnight, but yes I do assume I will have to clean out the fans and eventually change the thermal paste at some point
@@alext6933 I'd keep hw info running and don't change the thermal paste until you ABSOLUTELY have to; I took a Gigabyte card apart once and I tore ALL the thermal pads; seriously no survivors; I got it back together but it was still running just as hot; I took it apart a second time and somehow killed a memory module; I also noticed the pcb was slowly developing a crack. I got it fixed, but I replaced it with a saphire card while it was away; it barely cost anything because I could sell the old card no problem. The saphire card is built like a truck.
To start: - MSI 4090 doesnt have a fuse on the main 12v line, it has a fuse on the 12v input to the VRAM VRMs, you can confirm this by looking at the schematic, why they dont have a fuse on the main line? I dont know but I think it might be due to some engineering reason that these fuses dont do well under high power. - You are confusing UP9511 scenarios with UP9512R, the combination which was blowing up and burning boards was UP9511 and AON DrMOS. MSI RTX 4080 Suprim X also uses UP9512R with NCP DrMOS, so again alot of misinfo there.. The whole blowing up scenario was more common with RTX 3080 and 3090 then rectified in most of the 3080ti and 3090ti. - The gigabyte board you showed with a hole is a 4090, and these ground current burns have also happened with MSI, ASUS, and other high end variants. Too high ground current after VRM short circuit, the 12v slot burn which you have repaired in the past are related to this. I started a discussion about this in the discord other people shared what they think but these ground current burns are pretty common on all cards also confirmed by other technicians like pp3v. I am not a fan of gigabyte either but the UP9512R problem you are talking about is actually related to UP9511+AON DrMOS, for examlpe, EVGA was using 3x UP9511 on their 3090 FTW 3 to handle the phase as one of these can only take up to 8 phases. and those DrMOS blow up pretty badly, buildzoid has a video on those. Edit: I am not expert and I have learned alot from you, I dont have anything against you its just that when you are in a influential position and you say that X thing is bad for whatever reason then alot of people will take what you said at face value, so its great to be correct in that to avoid spreading any misinfo.
Not trying to defend Gigabyte, but apart from Asus Strix and Matrix, MSI Suprim, Nvidia Founders, all the others are using up9512 as a main controller.
I stopped buying Gigabyte cards years ago. Sapphire has taken over from EVGA as the top dog. I had a Zotac 4090 which was okay. MSI 4080 which was not too bad. But the Sapphire 7800XT Nitro Plus is the absolute best built card I've ever had. I love it. ❤️
Funny enough Zotac is a sister brand of Sapphire (PCPartner Group is their real corporate name), yet under one brand they strive to make top notch cards, and under the other one (zotac) they usually make bottom of the barrel stuff, lmao
I've had a bunch of Gigabyte cards and none have died on me. The difference being they've all been mid-range cards that don't run hotter than 60c under load. The higher end cards need a higher level of engineering than Gigabyte are willing to put in I guess.
I own a msi gaming x trio 4090. Before that i was running a msi gaming x trio 3070ti and before that was a msi gaming x trio 2070 super. Every single card is still running perfect to this day
I have only bought Gigabyte motherboards and GPUs since 2002 and I have never had any issues. I currently have 5 PCs in my house and all of them have Gigabyte motherboards and GPUs. I have an RTX4060; RTX3070 Ti and a RTX4070 Ti, and 2 X RX6750XTs.
Gigabyte certainly has issues with quality when it comes to their cheaper line of hardware, like Windforce GPUs or their PSUs (avoid at all costs). But their Aorus branded stuff is excellent, the motherboards especially are well known to have quality components, better power delivery (and cooling!) compared to their competitiors. The last two of my builds had Aorus boards in them and I can't say a bad word about them. Early BIOS iterations are perhaps lacking, but they'll improve over time. Generally this is true for every brand. I'd avoid MSI Ventus cards as I'd avoid Gigabyte Windforce cards, they are cheap for a reason, but I've personally had two EVGA 970's fail in a row after which I asked for my money back. The only thing EVGA had on these other companies is trust in their RMA, their build quality in the lower segment was just as garbage as the rest of them. Asus now prices their trash way too high for a normal person to even consider, and their TUF branded hardware has taken a huge nosedive in quality compared to what they were 3 years ago. So here we are. TechPowerUp always disassembles video cards when they review them so you can take a look at the PCBs before you buy.
Thanks for the warning and finally telling us the good from the bad these days. After EVGA left the scene, a year and a half ago, I was left with a quandary on who to use instead. LOL, I picked Gigabyte! Seemed to be fine in past products. So far so good on what's out there in the field. What I don't like about MSI is their documentation but I'll reconsider them now.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq LOL, no company makes perfectly reliable electronics. Add in miss-use or miss-instillations from the general public vs professional instillations and one could ignorantly claim all the companies are crap. This is why you will find that ALL these companies have droves of customers with bad experiences! The only thing one can do is pick a company with a "lower than average" bad reputation LOL!!! Sad but so true!
Hey Tony, you made Gigabyte to frown, but thats just the way it is.. You did a great job fixing it back to life. As you said, I too dont understand why the card manufacturers not putting efforts to modify their circuits to have protection fuses added in their main 12V rails, as well as the 1.2V/ 1.8V. It will probably cost them as what you mentioned.. 10c? Very relevant serious thought for the manufacturers. Well done! 👍👍
It's funny how back in early 2000s and late 90s msi (microstar) were the trashiest brand who made the worst cheap ass gear. But hard work and development has brought them 24 years later to be front runners. I also run msi now and very happy with reliability so far.
Have an mSI 3090 since launch, the gaming x, had an msi 750Ti gaming that lasted me 7 years until I accidentally dropped it on the ground when I was repasting it lol. MSI at least in Europe make good cards.
It depends on what generation is it. I've had a ton of Sapphire HD4850, all failed. Recently just got MSI, and Gigabyte too. They are still alive. MSI has a lock on the core frequency that even RBE can't unlock. Well if it does then the card is in Code43 state unless rolling back the original BIOS. I had better luck with Gigabyte, and even if I oc'd the hell out that chip, only 10°C hotter than my universal waterblocked solution. (with a 1080nova)
How are MSI's very cheapest cards these days? the newest one I have is a 3060 Ventus. It's definitely cheap feeling but to its credit it works fine, fans are original etc. Just plasticky...
This is a false statement. While they weren't 'the best', Microstar was a well respected brand even before the year 2000. There are many Anandtech articles praising the quality of their motherboards (K7Pro AMD 750 Slot-A, MS-6163 BX Slot-1, K7T Pro KT133, K7T Pro2 KT133, etc) + countless video cards, starting with the GeForce 2 GTS (MSI Starforce 815). Being a retro PC enthusiast, I myself have tens of MSI boards of all generations (starting with 486), and they are excellent, still working perfectly after 2 or even 3+ decades.
Bad cooling design? Wow! So Gigabyte truly hasn't changed, it was the exact reason why I stopped buying them back in the ATi 6970 days. That and really cheap components and quality. I had a Windforce (early days of that lineup) and it had a voltage control chip IIRC that run so hot it would instantly burn you, well north of 100°c. They didn't even heatsink it on a triple fan aftermarket card. EDIT: lmao you pointed out basically the same kind of bad design/component I was talking about. Truly nothing has changed... shocker. I still have that card too lol.
Manufacturers ship already overclocked products now instead of ensuring stability and reliability and letting consumers push their products past safe limits on their own
Nice info about the quality of parts gpu brands use. Please let us know more of the toughts you have about different enegennering solutions, that different boards use.
@@brunodinis7454 fan boi lol u must know that always all content of this youtube is abour repairing a nvidia card like most of the time lol so nvidiasht card rather u mean?
Northwestrepair, have you had any 4080 Supers with a Burt connector? Also, how is the build quality compared to the older model 4080? Just wondering. BTW, love your program.
Is a mistake of him , all the manufactures use the same components, on the less expensive cards, the top ones, usually have the better components, otherwise, why will they cost 250 to 400€ more to buy the same GPU ?!
@@pedroferrr1412 what mistake? There are most definitely differences in used components. There is also a difference in good enough and overkill. I personally like to make a well informed choice, this card would be a no-go for me and there is no mistake in that.
do aorus line have same issue with controller and fuse ?? and dude you should do a tear up review for all brand and their product line up it would help us alot. non of us know anything about these components and we don't knew which company and which line up should we pick and which should stay away of it.
I've got a 4080 gigabyte gaming oc and the thermals never go above 57 C. I thought I had some artifacting some time ago, but it turned out to be an old hdmi cable. Runs everything at 4k! I also have a gigabyte am4 motherboard, and it is has never had any problems so not sure what the problem is about gigabyte tbh 😕
The only Gigabyte 4090s you should buy are the Aorus Master and Waterforce. Those are magnificent cards. I had the Strix 4090 and replaced it with the Aorus Master RTX 4090 and couldnt be happier.
Those memory junction temperatures are really low! I got a 7800XT Pulse from Sapphire and memory temps are kind of... high? At idle they are 56ºc, and at maximum use and clock they sit at 84ºc. Will that be fine long term?
3:46 that´s not a vapor chamber, just a normal copper baseplate with smaller plate of aluminum/steel on top of it for VRAM cooling. I think it´s good they used so many pads on everything. Too bad they used typical poor quality pads, just as everyone else. With so many brands you dislike, my question would be: What brands do you LIKE?
I guess since Aorus is "made" by Gigabyte, it's bad too..? And he compared it with a MSI board in the video so..I guess it's MSI that he hates the least !
He liked the Sapphire 7900 XTX Nitro+ recently. I'm in manufacturing electronics and I'd agree, it's why I bought it lol. Absolute unit and very overbuilt.
@@northwestrepair Can i ask you if the 4070 ti super has the same problems? I was thinking about Zotac or ASUS TUF Edition when the 5080 RTX is way to expensive to Performance.
my gigabyte 1070 is still going strong after 8 years and I play literally every day.. i dont know if im lucky but its the first time a GPU lasts so long for me so.. next card is gonna be a gigabyte too
I remembered this video when I ordered my GB 4070 Super Gaming OC this morning... :D Thing is: I've used at least four GB cards since the early 2010s (460, 660, 3070 Eagle, 4070 Gaming OC) and they all worked great for me. Come to think of it: I've been using graphics cards since before accelerator-cards were a thing (my first ever 3d-card was a Diamond Monster II, IIRC) and none have ever died on me, so what do I know? ;) The only GPU-related mishap I ever had was when I thought it was a good idea to upgrade an older, pre-built system to a GF 260 (200-series were pretty notorious for their power-draw at the time). Of course, I didn't bother upgrading to a sufficiently powerful PSU. And then that no-name, ketchup-and-mustard POS PSU went *poof!* after a few days.. :D
Cant say there is perfect GPU vendor but I'm glad i got MSI, 4080 Slim to be exact. I fucked up, have pretty wide case but it wasn't enough for this card with adapter, and i closed it clueless. Was working fine but would randomly panic stop with fans going 100%, rest of system working properly. It was obviously a safety protocol, with other card it could just melt and im glad my card my didn't and I fixed my mistake.
do you think all pcb's are black now only so you don't see color change caused by overheating now when they push 300-600 w trough those small boards with comicaly bug coolers?
I have a 2080ti. I believe it has a bad memory chip, it was artifacting when I replaced it. I don't need it, but would it be worth repairing to have as a backup, or perhaps to sell?
hmmm I wonder if doubling the ram on like that would run into the same issues you get when you do it with the 3070... that being the black screen after the game exits, however a work around is to disable the power saving options in windows...
This is the second 4080 i see from your channel, I kinda bought 4080 because of it and it seems to hold up :D tho i keep away from asrock and gigabyte as my experience with them has always been bad
The connector burns even if it's fully plugged in and this has been proven also GA has been the best RTX 4070 ive had and the coolest where other brands died
Would make sense really what you said. China cant get a 4090, but if im not mistaken, nothing says they cant get the core of one and do that 3090 ti mod
Are the 3060s from gigabyte trash too? Have still a brandnew one still in original foil packed which i buyed on a good discount last year and tought now to replace my older 760.
NVIDIA's AD103 GPU this Ada Lovelace 4080, contains 5 GPU variant's AD103, AD103-275-A1, AD103-300-A1, AD103-301-A1, AD103-400-A1 OMGVflash by Veii; and NVflashk by Kefinator (forum names), are two independently developed tools that let you flash almost any video BIOS onto almost any NVIDIA GeForce graphics card, bypassing "unbreakable" barriers NVIDIA put in place, such as BIOS signature checks; and vendor/device checks (cross-flashing). vBIOS signature check bypass works up to RTX 20-series "Turing" based GPUs, letting you modify the BIOS the way you want, while cross-flashing (sub-vendor ID check bypass), and yes they work on the latest RTX 4080 - 4090 "Ada Loveslace".
10:10 I have a giga 1060 1º gen, a huge card (size of a 4080, but only 2 slots) and it boost way above the normal 1060, also have the full memory rev, it still works 100%, I have it on my old rig that I give to my wife. Giga might start building crap after the 20 gen Nvidia cards.
Pretty much every MOSFET, if it is operated outside of design limits, will self-destruct. Even the high-quality ones. There might be a wider margin for high-quality devices, but in the case of a driver malfunction that would mean that instead of the MOSFET self-destructing the supplied circuit would be damaged. So, in a sense, there is an argument for making the transistor the weakest link of the circuit.
@northwestrepair Can you make your own 4090 from 3090ti? You would become even more famous - legendary even. And maybe when 5090 would come redo same thing again?
Thanks for the heads re the mem ctrl and mem chips, I am building a 14700k - strix - h mobo 😬 and was gonna get the Tuff 4080 super but not sure if they have the same h/w as the strix 4080, short story long imma get the strix 4080 now 4 sure
There has to be a better way to stress the memory with heavy read/write that isn't crypto mining. RTX 3000 series had a small last level cache that didnt allow furmark data to fit in it, so it constantly hit the VRAM hard which is why memory temps get so high with RTX 3000. RTX 4000 has a large last levelcache, allowing furmark (and even furmark 2) data to fit comfortably in the cache. this causes the VRAM to not get hit much at all resulting in super low VRAM temps. It has nothing to do with "better coolers" or some sort of better engineered VRAM. There are certain crypto mining loads you can run to test worst case VRAM temps on RTX 4000 series, but since mining programs come from dubious places and only in closed source, its hard to find something trustworthy that wont steal all your passwords and bank info.
I've regrettably and also fortunately only purchased one Gigabyte product in my life, an R9 280 card way back when. That experience forever tainted my view of the company. Drivers were not exactly stellar being AMD, but the card had Loud coil whine All the time, the fans would blaze away at idle and sounded like it was preparing to go into orbit when anything went to the GPU, and it could barely handle redundant tasks like watching a video. When they started having tremendous power supply problems, I just nodded along.
i had asus strix 6700xt it use SiC649A DrMOS for GPU voltage Memory voltage uses NCP81022N controller and SiC654A DrMOS GPU voltage uses nine phases and is powered by an International Rectifier IR35217 how was that lol
Lol I just ordered a 4080 super gigabyte gaming oc and I was like oh cool a teardown video of a similar card would be cool to watch and see all the cool parts in it. Nope lol I watched a 20 minute thrashing of the card I'm getting soon.
I have gigabyte 3060 for about year and it's fine. Generally I had most gigabyte cards and all were fine. On the other hand I had Palit and Gainward and both failed me.
Even the pcb itself feels beefier/chunkier with MSI, compared to most others. I hate floppy PCBs. How many pennies are they saving on that? Back in my day, PCBs were rock hard
I definitely learned something today, that Gigabyte is not going to be happy at all after watching this video 😂
As if they’ll give a shit, why do you think they do what they do?
@@vvb890 Agreed. They don't give a flying F.
@@vvb890 because they let the bean counters calling the shots instead of the engineers. So that they will make a couple of dollars more on the card.
@@AphillyatedYT just because everyone does it its magically OK? XD
Cost almost always is a priority for AIBS, specially Nvidia ones.
Most of my GPUs are Gigabyte. ☹
Could you make a tier list for engineering and build quality of GPUs for Nvidia and its board partners? It would be a great thing to get an opinion from someone with so much knowledge and experience like you.
Good question
seconding this
That's not very nice! Pressurize the guy, put the squeeze on him, just a teenie bit more, manufacturers already peeved with what he's doing, envisioned somehow depriving them of revenue.. or some triviality.
It's never true but doesn't stop big players from going after the small guys, occasionally, just euthanising anyone in the repair game, who even remotely, might stand in some way against "policies".
Laugh it up! It's happened before. Have you noticed the extent to which Apple has gone?
Do you honestly think, oh man yes! - This guy's got nothing better to do than make a list for me!
Are you quite right there, people? Anything else you want someone to do for you?
@@mrhassell what's wrong with asking a youtuber for some content?
@@molokoplus1555 The guy has a psychotic break, let em yap
I normally avoid Gigabyte, but I did purchase my Gigabyte 4070 from Best Buy. I noticed after installing it that it would start up fine, but when I'd do a restart like after a driver install or windows update it wouldn't start back up, but if I let it sit for about 10 minutes or so it would start right up. I used it for a few weeks with that problem, then sent it in for RMA. Gigabyte had it for a couple of days, then sent it back to me stating they couldn't find a problem. Surprisingly, it didn't have that problem anymore. For those of you that are going to say I didn't slot it correctly you are not correct, as I re-slotted the card numerous times during the problem stage. I believe Gigabyte did find and repair something that they didn't want to admit.
My Gigabyte 3080 has been trooping along for a while now. Hope it continues to have no problems along its journey through life.
I know where to go when it does eventually have some though😊
using it probably won't hurt it, but be real careful cleaning it, they are made out of paper mache; and yes you do have to clean it eventually
@spd-v9o yeah I have plenty of filters and don't keep my computer on overnight, but yes I do assume I will have to clean out the fans and eventually change the thermal paste at some point
@@alext6933 I'd keep hw info running and don't change the thermal paste until you ABSOLUTELY have to; I took a Gigabyte card apart once and I tore ALL the thermal pads; seriously no survivors; I got it back together but it was still running just as hot; I took it apart a second time and somehow killed a memory module; I also noticed the pcb was slowly developing a crack. I got it fixed, but I replaced it with a saphire card while it was away; it barely cost anything because I could sell the old card no problem. The saphire card is built like a truck.
It's a strangely calming fact that high-end consumer electronics are still repairable
To start:
- MSI 4090 doesnt have a fuse on the main 12v line, it has a fuse on the 12v input to the VRAM VRMs, you can confirm this by looking at the schematic, why they dont have a fuse on the main line? I dont know but I think it might be due to some engineering reason that these fuses dont do well under high power.
- You are confusing UP9511 scenarios with UP9512R, the combination which was blowing up and burning boards was UP9511 and AON DrMOS. MSI RTX 4080 Suprim X also uses UP9512R with NCP DrMOS, so again alot of misinfo there.. The whole blowing up scenario was more common with RTX 3080 and 3090 then rectified in most of the 3080ti and 3090ti.
- The gigabyte board you showed with a hole is a 4090, and these ground current burns have also happened with MSI, ASUS, and other high end variants. Too high ground current after VRM short circuit, the 12v slot burn which you have repaired in the past are related to this. I started a discussion about this in the discord other people shared what they think but these ground current burns are pretty common on all cards also confirmed by other technicians like pp3v.
I am not a fan of gigabyte either but the UP9512R problem you are talking about is actually related to UP9511+AON DrMOS, for examlpe, EVGA was using 3x UP9511 on their 3090 FTW 3 to handle the phase as one of these can only take up to 8 phases. and those DrMOS blow up pretty badly, buildzoid has a video on those.
Edit: I am not expert and I have learned alot from you, I dont have anything against you its just that when you are in a influential position and you say that X thing is bad for whatever reason then alot of people will take what you said at face value, so its great to be correct in that to avoid spreading any misinfo.
Thank you for the reality check - occasionally needed here.
Duh... you mean like the 12v input one that he mentioned? Doofus.
GOOD OBSERVATION BRO
@@mrhassell ?
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Not trying to defend Gigabyte, but apart from Asus Strix and Matrix, MSI Suprim, Nvidia Founders, all the others are using up9512 as a main controller.
Mps too not guilty for shorted drmos
exactly i found that they all use the same controller so i guess gigabyte is good
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I stopped buying Gigabyte cards years ago. Sapphire has taken over from EVGA as the top dog. I had a Zotac 4090 which was okay. MSI 4080 which was not too bad. But the Sapphire 7800XT Nitro Plus is the absolute best built card I've ever had. I love it. ❤️
I'm going to be getting a Sapphire 7900 GRE next month.
Funny enough Zotac is a sister brand of Sapphire (PCPartner Group is their real corporate name), yet under one brand they strive to make top notch cards, and under the other one (zotac) they usually make bottom of the barrel stuff, lmao
@@dark666king after i´ve seen a Zotac card with fuse printed into PCB (it was blown, yet invisible from outside), i´m not ever touching Zotac.
Sapphire has the best coolers. Top 3 brands are sapphire, xfx, power color.
I've had a bunch of Gigabyte cards and none have died on me. The difference being they've all been mid-range cards that don't run hotter than 60c under load.
The higher end cards need a higher level of engineering than Gigabyte are willing to put in I guess.
I own a msi gaming x trio 4090. Before that i was running a msi gaming x trio 3070ti and before that was a msi gaming x trio 2070 super. Every single card is still running perfect to this day
I've bought gigabyte cards for 20 years never had any issues with them.
I have only bought Gigabyte motherboards and GPUs since 2002 and I have never had any issues. I currently have 5 PCs in my house and all of them have Gigabyte motherboards and GPUs. I have an RTX4060; RTX3070 Ti and a RTX4070 Ti, and 2 X RX6750XTs.
Gigabyte certainly has issues with quality when it comes to their cheaper line of hardware, like Windforce GPUs or their PSUs (avoid at all costs). But their Aorus branded stuff is excellent, the motherboards especially are well known to have quality components, better power delivery (and cooling!) compared to their competitiors. The last two of my builds had Aorus boards in them and I can't say a bad word about them. Early BIOS iterations are perhaps lacking, but they'll improve over time.
Generally this is true for every brand. I'd avoid MSI Ventus cards as I'd avoid Gigabyte Windforce cards, they are cheap for a reason, but I've personally had two EVGA 970's fail in a row after which I asked for my money back. The only thing EVGA had on these other companies is trust in their RMA, their build quality in the lower segment was just as garbage as the rest of them. Asus now prices their trash way too high for a normal person to even consider, and their TUF branded hardware has taken a huge nosedive in quality compared to what they were 3 years ago. So here we are. TechPowerUp always disassembles video cards when they review them so you can take a look at the PCBs before you buy.
I've also never had an issue with a gigabyte product.
I haven't had any problems either and I currently have a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC and a B650 Aorus Elite AX motherboard.
Thanks for the warning and finally telling us the good from the bad these days. After EVGA left the scene, a year and a half ago, I was left with a quandary on who to use instead. LOL, I picked Gigabyte! Seemed to be fine in past products. So far so good on what's out there in the field. What I don't like about MSI is their documentation but I'll reconsider them now.
Interestingly enough, A LOT of EVGA cards end up on Tony´s table. Doesn´t that mean they´re also bad?
@@Morpheus-pt3wq LOL, no company makes perfectly reliable electronics. Add in miss-use or miss-instillations from the general public vs professional instillations and one could ignorantly claim all the companies are crap. This is why you will find that ALL these companies have droves of customers with bad experiences! The only thing one can do is pick a company with a "lower than average" bad reputation LOL!!! Sad but so true!
Hey Tony, you made Gigabyte to frown, but thats just the way it is.. You did a great job fixing it back to life. As you said, I too dont understand why the card manufacturers not putting efforts to modify their circuits to have protection fuses added in their main 12V rails, as well as the 1.2V/ 1.8V. It will probably cost them as what you mentioned.. 10c? Very relevant serious thought for the manufacturers. Well done! 👍👍
It's funny how back in early 2000s and late 90s msi (microstar) were the trashiest brand who made the worst cheap ass gear. But hard work and development has brought them 24 years later to be front runners. I also run msi now and very happy with reliability so far.
Seems they did their brainwashing good enough
Have an mSI 3090 since launch, the gaming x, had an msi 750Ti gaming that lasted me 7 years until I accidentally dropped it on the ground when I was repasting it lol. MSI at least in Europe make good cards.
It depends on what generation is it. I've had a ton of Sapphire HD4850, all failed. Recently just got MSI, and Gigabyte too. They are still alive. MSI has a lock on the core frequency that even RBE can't unlock. Well if it does then the card is in Code43 state unless rolling back the original BIOS. I had better luck with Gigabyte, and even if I oc'd the hell out that chip, only 10°C hotter than my universal waterblocked solution. (with a 1080nova)
How are MSI's very cheapest cards these days? the newest one I have is a 3060 Ventus. It's definitely cheap feeling but to its credit it works fine, fans are original etc. Just plasticky...
This is a false statement. While they weren't 'the best', Microstar was a well respected brand even before the year 2000. There are many Anandtech articles praising the quality of their motherboards (K7Pro AMD 750 Slot-A, MS-6163 BX Slot-1, K7T Pro KT133, K7T Pro2 KT133, etc) + countless video cards, starting with the GeForce 2 GTS (MSI Starforce 815).
Being a retro PC enthusiast, I myself have tens of MSI boards of all generations (starting with 486), and they are excellent, still working perfectly after 2 or even 3+ decades.
Thanks for all the information. Well done video.
Today I learned I made the right choice with my GPU going MSI. Thanks
so true. Amazon destroyer of brands and creator of unintelligible company names.
your rants are the best. Thank you
I am also here for the rants and Tony did not disappoint: this one was epic. Top vid, cheers:)
Bad cooling design? Wow! So Gigabyte truly hasn't changed, it was the exact reason why I stopped buying them back in the ATi 6970 days. That and really cheap components and quality. I had a Windforce (early days of that lineup) and it had a voltage control chip IIRC that run so hot it would instantly burn you, well north of 100°c. They didn't even heatsink it on a triple fan aftermarket card.
EDIT: lmao you pointed out basically the same kind of bad design/component I was talking about. Truly nothing has changed... shocker.
I still have that card too lol.
That connector swap was so clean it turned me on
I m Haby I have MSI 3090 TI 🤩 , Thanks for the information
4080s, 4090s, 13th and 14th gen intel.
this last year+ of tech shit has really sucked for the customer.
Ain't that the truth. Rocking a 13600K since it came out, least it's the "boxed" version but tray owners are fu*($3d.
Good thing there's competition
Manufacturers ship already overclocked products now instead of ensuring stability and reliability and letting consumers push their products past safe limits on their own
And here I'm running a 4080 Super aorus master and 14900k and not a drop of issues since day one😂. I don't believe I could have that much good luck 😂
@Behemoth33 just wait, you'll soon have some, especially with intel
Nice info about the quality of parts gpu brands use. Please let us know more of the toughts you have about different enegennering solutions, that different boards use.
Sapphire cards are the best built from my experience.
shame they only sell AMShit cards
@@brunodinis7454 amd? Bias much? All their cards from my experience have been awesome
@@brunodinis7454 bias much?
@@brunodinis7454 fan boi lol u must know that always all content of this youtube is abour repairing a nvidia card like most of the time lol so nvidiasht card rather u mean?
Great advice about Gigabyte, shame is came 2 days after I just bought a 4060 Eagle Ice
use it and take your thoughts, dont go after all the crap you see on internet.
Northwestrepair, have you had any 4080 Supers with a Burt connector? Also, how is the build quality compared to the older model 4080? Just wondering. BTW, love your program.
I lost my trust in gigabyte during 2008-2014, thanks for your vids btw
would love to see a rankings or tier list for the average build quality of the different gpu manufacturers
my strix 4090 is still alive after 1+ year :-) Lets hope it stays that way. Always scared of this stupid connector.
Reasons why I always look for a video that shows what components are used 🤣 If they cheap out on power delivery it's a no-go.
Is a mistake of him , all the manufactures use the same components, on the less expensive cards, the top ones, usually have the better components, otherwise, why will they cost 250 to 400€ more to buy the same GPU ?!
@@pedroferrr1412 what mistake? There are most definitely differences in used components. There is also a difference in good enough and overkill. I personally like to make a well informed choice, this card would be a no-go for me and there is no mistake in that.
do aorus line have same issue with controller and fuse ??
and dude you should do a tear up review for all brand and their product line up it would help us alot.
non of us know anything about these components and we don't knew which company and which line up should we pick and which should stay away of it.
I have Gigabyte RX6800xt run two years with any problems i change original thermal paste and pads put the EK waterblock and everything is perfect.
Love your content!! My gigabyte water block 4090 was free sad on the fuse situation on these boards
Is it the camera, or is the card immediatelyobviously visibly curving? was my first thought seconds into the video
Good God, why is the backplate so bent??? did they curb stomp it too?
better than factory!
Better than FE?
And the short is gone!
Big boss, boss of all bosses!
I've got a 4080 gigabyte gaming oc and the thermals never go above 57 C. I thought I had some artifacting some time ago, but it turned out to be an old hdmi cable. Runs everything at 4k! I also have a gigabyte am4 motherboard, and it is has never had any problems so not sure what the problem is about gigabyte tbh 😕
The only Gigabyte 4090s you should buy are the Aorus Master and Waterforce. Those are magnificent cards. I had the Strix 4090 and replaced it with the Aorus Master RTX 4090 and couldnt be happier.
I recommend plugging the connector into the GPU before installing it. That way you can get a firm grip on it when inserting it hehe
Got new headphones, I (think I) can hear your 3d printer going about its business in the video lol
Those memory junction temperatures are really low! I got a 7800XT Pulse from Sapphire and memory temps are kind of... high? At idle they are 56ºc, and at maximum use and clock they sit at 84ºc. Will that be fine long term?
3:46 that´s not a vapor chamber, just a normal copper baseplate with smaller plate of aluminum/steel on top of it for VRAM cooling. I think it´s good they used so many pads on everything. Too bad they used typical poor quality pads, just as everyone else.
With so many brands you dislike, my question would be: What brands do you LIKE?
Hmm. Looked like a vapor chamber from the side. Maybe you're right.
I guess since Aorus is "made" by Gigabyte, it's bad too..? And he compared it with a MSI board in the video so..I guess it's MSI that he hates the least !
He liked the Sapphire 7900 XTX Nitro+ recently. I'm in manufacturing electronics and I'd agree, it's why I bought it lol. Absolute unit and very overbuilt.
@@northwestrepair Can i ask you if the 4070 ti super has the same problems? I was thinking about Zotac or ASUS TUF Edition when the 5080 RTX is way to expensive to Performance.
I always buy MSI or Asus, used to be EVGA too.
my gigabyte 1070 is still going strong after 8 years and I play literally every day.. i dont know if im lucky but its the first time a GPU lasts so long for me so.. next card is gonna be a gigabyte too
I remembered this video when I ordered my GB 4070 Super Gaming OC this morning... :D
Thing is: I've used at least four GB cards since the early 2010s (460, 660, 3070 Eagle, 4070 Gaming OC) and they all worked great for me. Come to think of it: I've been using graphics cards since before accelerator-cards were a thing (my first ever 3d-card was a Diamond Monster II, IIRC) and none have ever died on me, so what do I know? ;) The only GPU-related mishap I ever had was when I thought it was a good idea to upgrade an older, pre-built system to a GF 260 (200-series were pretty notorious for their power-draw at the time). Of course, I didn't bother upgrading to a sufficiently powerful PSU. And then that no-name, ketchup-and-mustard POS PSU went *poof!* after a few days.. :D
My gigabyte 4090 is good! No problems rev 1.0. 10 deg C hotspot delta, clocks to 3 ghz at 600w
Tony, what is printinig in the background ;-) nice job!
What did they think would happen moving from two and 3 connector cards to one connector with a higher voltage passing all that current.
i got a pny 4080 super because it was cheeper and now i see Kingpin messin with them works fine probley last longer than me got liver cancer
Fuck brah, best of luck.
I have two Gigabyte cards with zero issues and I will continue with them
Cant say there is perfect GPU vendor but I'm glad i got MSI, 4080 Slim to be exact.
I fucked up, have pretty wide case but it wasn't enough for this card with adapter, and i closed it clueless. Was working fine but would randomly panic stop with fans going 100%, rest of system working properly. It was obviously a safety protocol, with other card it could just melt and im glad my card my didn't and I fixed my mistake.
Support for Gigabyte fans in this hard times ☹
do you think all pcb's are black now only so you don't see color change caused by overheating now when they push 300-600 w trough those small boards with comicaly bug coolers?
@northwestrepair what are the best brands of GPU you have worked on so far as for the build quality
I wish I had started watching these videos before buying a Gigabyte 4080. 😢
What brand do you like that shows good quality?
I kinda curious where did u put the thermal pad in 17:10 , why put it in the back? or i just missing something
Is the new version of that crappy power connector any better? The one that came with the Super cards?
@northwest So is MSI and Asus Topnotch Quality?
I recently bought an Asus 4060Ti from the TUF gaming line, do you have any recommendations or warnings about this brand/line of GPUs?
Good work 👍
I have a 2080ti. I believe it has a bad memory chip, it was artifacting when I replaced it. I don't need it, but would it be worth repairing to have as a backup, or perhaps to sell?
Why not upgrade the connector to a few weirs and the older style pcie power connectors?
hmmm I wonder if doubling the ram on like that would run into the same issues you get when you do it with the 3070... that being the black screen after the game exits, however a work around is to disable the power saving options in windows...
I will say the user was using extention cable adapter not the main cable
80 years later we're still "debugging" the hardware the old fashioned way: evicting dead bug causing hardware short or something.
This is the second 4080 i see from your channel, I kinda bought 4080 because of it and it seems to hold up :D tho i keep away from asrock and gigabyte as my experience with them has always been bad
The connector burns even if it's fully plugged in and this has been proven also GA has been the best RTX 4070 ive had and the coolest where other brands died
What are the best 40 series cards you have had a look at?
Msi
@@northwestrepair Good enough for me. GeForce RTX 4080 super here I come.😎
Just like everything these days are built to break before it's time.
Would make sense really what you said. China cant get a 4090, but if im not mistaken, nothing says they cant get the core of one and do that 3090 ti mod
I'm using a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC with the v1.1 PCB, no issues here.
Oh boy, I have a Gigabyte 4090. At least I now know where to send it when it fails.
The die area difference between the 4080 and 4090 is greater than I would have expected. Does the performance difference even come close to comparing?
Are the 3060s from gigabyte trash too? Have still a brandnew one still in original foil packed which i buyed on a good discount last year and tought now to replace my older 760.
What gpu brand do you prefer? What motherboard brand?
I have a brand new 4090 bought in December that I never used! Is ther anything I can do to avoid problems with the 4090 gigabyte OC
NVIDIA's AD103 GPU this Ada Lovelace 4080, contains 5 GPU variant's
AD103, AD103-275-A1, AD103-300-A1, AD103-301-A1, AD103-400-A1
OMGVflash by Veii; and NVflashk by Kefinator (forum names), are two independently developed tools that let you flash almost any video BIOS onto almost any NVIDIA GeForce graphics card, bypassing "unbreakable" barriers NVIDIA put in place, such as BIOS signature checks; and vendor/device checks (cross-flashing). vBIOS signature check bypass works up to RTX 20-series "Turing" based GPUs, letting you modify the BIOS the way you want, while cross-flashing (sub-vendor ID check bypass), and yes they work on the latest RTX 4080 - 4090 "Ada Loveslace".
10:10 I have a giga 1060 1º gen, a huge card (size of a 4080, but only 2 slots) and it boost way above the normal 1060, also have the full memory rev, it still works 100%, I have it on my old rig that I give to my wife.
Giga might start building crap after the 20 gen Nvidia cards.
I kept expecting you to say "M'kay' every time you said Gigabyte is bad lol
Pretty much every MOSFET, if it is operated outside of design limits, will self-destruct. Even the high-quality ones. There might be a wider margin for high-quality devices, but in the case of a driver malfunction that would mean that instead of the MOSFET self-destructing the supplied circuit would be damaged. So, in a sense, there is an argument for making the transistor the weakest link of the circuit.
plot twist, Gigabyte sponsored this video :D
Hypothetically, can I add the fuse myself after purchase?
@northwestrepair Can you make your own 4090 from 3090ti? You would become even more famous - legendary even. And maybe when 5090 would come redo same thing again?
turnung 3090ti to 4090 is worth it making video 🥳🥳🥳
Thanks for the heads re the mem ctrl and mem chips, I am building a 14700k - strix - h mobo 😬 and was gonna get the Tuff 4080 super but not sure if they have the same h/w as the strix 4080, short story long imma get the strix 4080 now 4 sure
So if I want to buy an 4080 what manufacture should I choose?
I’m happy with my 3090.
According to Techpowerup review of ASUS GeForce RTX 4080 Super TUF they also use uP9512R...
There has to be a better way to stress the memory with heavy read/write that isn't crypto mining. RTX 3000 series had a small last level cache that didnt allow furmark data to fit in it, so it constantly hit the VRAM hard which is why memory temps get so high with RTX 3000. RTX 4000 has a large last levelcache, allowing furmark (and even furmark 2) data to fit comfortably in the cache. this causes the VRAM to not get hit much at all resulting in super low VRAM temps. It has nothing to do with "better coolers" or some sort of better engineered VRAM.
There are certain crypto mining loads you can run to test worst case VRAM temps on RTX 4000 series, but since mining programs come from dubious places and only in closed source, its hard to find something trustworthy that wont steal all your passwords and bank info.
what alcohol you are using?
I've regrettably and also fortunately only purchased one Gigabyte product in my life, an R9 280 card way back when. That experience forever tainted my view of the company. Drivers were not exactly stellar being AMD, but the card had Loud coil whine All the time, the fans would blaze away at idle and sounded like it was preparing to go into orbit when anything went to the GPU, and it could barely handle redundant tasks like watching a video. When they started having tremendous power supply problems, I just nodded along.
What 4080 would you recommend?
i had asus strix 6700xt it use SiC649A DrMOS for GPU voltage Memory voltage uses NCP81022N controller and SiC654A DrMOS GPU voltage uses nine phases and is powered by an International Rectifier IR35217 how was that lol
Lol I just ordered a 4080 super gigabyte gaming oc and I was like oh cool a teardown video of a similar card would be cool to watch and see all the cool parts in it. Nope lol I watched a 20 minute thrashing of the card I'm getting soon.
I have gigabyte 3060 for about year and it's fine. Generally I had most gigabyte cards and all were fine. On the other hand I had Palit and Gainward and both failed me.
wich one is your favorite GPU manufactor?
Don't have a gigabyte gpu, but my z170xp-sli is still going strong. Its even survived multiple pepsi max spills on the back lol
Even the pcb itself feels beefier/chunkier with MSI, compared to most others. I hate floppy PCBs. How many pennies are they saving on that? Back in my day, PCBs were rock hard
my guess would be no difference but i would love to see a 3090 turned into a 4090.