Why Tech Automatically Works
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When HDCP gives me issues trying to view content legally, I just pirate it. It’s a “solution” that only hurts consumers for a problem they can never solve.
Yeah there is a reason I don't have a bluray player or blurays.
Yeah, the last inconvenience to me of that trash being... I can't watch Netflix on my browser through my VR headset because fuck me I guess.
I used to download the cracked versions of games I owned. Didn't need the CD/DVD, skipped the half dozen screens of corporate branding, assets on hard drive loaded so much faster. It wasn't just "pirating", it was a completely different experience. Edit: forgot to mention that back in the day you got more malware from the DRM schemes than you did from the pirates.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 I think my favourite DRM bulls--t story was back when publishers tried doing machine activation limits. EA's Spore came with three. But that wasn't three computers, it was three installs period, even on the same computer. I can't recall the exact details, but there was some bug that kept corrupting installs. So people would have to keep reinstalling the game to fix the issue. Then they'd run up against the activation limit and get locked out of the game they'd legally purchased. Spore very quickly became the most pirated game of 2008 once the hackers cracked it.
Non-hdcp-compliant old HDMI splitter: *laughs*
I love when Riley gives me a quickie
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My dirty mind didn't even take a second to process that.
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Oh ? OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
What I find most insane about HDCP is how it is put on the packaging as a feature for the consumer.
Well, your TV needs it to watch legit Blue-Rays, so its not pointless, even if its weird.
@@EvanOfTheDarkness didn't know that.
@@xanderblackstar8236 In theory you can only watch blue-rays on HDCP certified devices (even windows should force it on, if you try to play the disk without ripping it first). If your TV/Monitor does not support it you should only get a black screen.
@@EvanOfTheDarkness thus why tools were made to just strip HDCP away from the disc and let you reburn the disk at home for you. It assumes you have a legal copy of said disc. To me HDCP caused more issues on the consumer side than i think they wanted it too. I do assume if you are removing HDCP you also own the copy of the video otherwise it is illegal to do so as it is there to protect whatever the production company put it there to protect.
@@yumri4 I completely agree, that HDCP is garbage, but the badge is there (on TVs) so the consumer can know it'll work with his blue-ray player. Although I doubt that most people know what it does.
HDCP stands for “Hey, Did you know that you Can Pirate this shit?”
Cheap hdmi splitters often remove the hdcp lol, a bit of a lucky dip, but I think its more effort to send a hdcp out the other end
Yeah my little HDMI splitter device thing doesn’t output HDCP, that enables my capture device to record literally whatever I want, which is how my RGB light sync system works. (ruclips.net/video/4JGexGEBFvk/видео.html)
I can attest that this is true
Upc box plugged in my capture card: the software is like: blablabla, multimonitor system is not allowed, blablabla
Insert a splitter, so I can watch things directly on my monitor as well: the software is like: where do you want to watch the content?
Sadly I can't find one that will carry the newer signals with all the insane features and resolutions. I also can't seem to find switches that do that either.
Technically the makers of those violate some kind of contract. They just don't care, because they just buy the chips from someone else, and that's the company to get in trouble.
HDCP is easily defeated by competent pirates, it only stops people who don't know anything about it
How to do it?
@@ezharm5 like this
I think that’s pretty effective though. You don’t see just anyone setting up a bootleg business anymore just because they have a dvd drive in their computer or a vhs player at home. You still get heavy torrent sites, but it’s not as easy even with it being just a few more steps.
A simple splitter can be enough.
Typical DRM - doesn't prevent piracy, but can get in the way of actual paying customers.
the best standard ever "Turn it off and back on"
Second best- "Reseat the cable".
I hate HDCP so much. It's another one of those "anti-piracy" measures that only punishes people that buy the content. I have literally had to pirate movies I physically own just to get them to work, and HDCP's caused all kinds of completely unrelated issues for me on PS4.
Makes me angry every time I think that instead of HDMI they could have just made SDI a consumer standard. But no, they had to ram HDCP down our throats.
It's really fun, when you have a 4k monitor with hdcp 1.4, and they decide that you now need hdcp 2.2. Not to mention, that the hdcp versions are neither in the monitor's product page/specifications, nor were they easily visible on any streaming service for the longest time.
Now you just have to decide wether you want to pirate or spoof, either way hdcp doesn't help the publishers.
PC Master Race have their open DisplayPort standard. HDCP/HDMI is the shackle of Console Peasantry after analog composite/ AV cables are phased out.
Congratulations, peasants, you played yourselves.
The idea was to add DRM to the whole chain, from the media (blue-ray) to the display (hdmi). But with blue-rays DRM failing so fast, HDCP never actually did anything useful. What it actually *does,* is preventing anyone from selling something like a VCR for HDMI - at least legally (they could sell it without HDPC, but it'd be near useless so nobody would buy it).
@@Aereto I'm sure you know this already, but G-SYNC only works with DisplayPort.
The Monitor I'm currently using is a G-SYNC monitor from HP, complete with an 'Nvidia G-SYNC' sticker on the front.
...and yet they deigned it only worthy of an HDMI cable in the box.
Cheapskates. (It's a pretty good monitor though, even it is is only 1080p)
Yeah and then you have an USB-C port that you never know what it can do... Is it thunderbolt, can i use it for display, for power, audio?
Possibly all of the above.
@@flench04 yes
@@flench04 possibly just USB 2.0 (looking at you OnePlus)
@@AlvaroMartinez98 atleast my 8T can output to a display with the usb c port. Also it is usb 3.1gen1
@@flench04 but possibly is just usb2, or it can't carry power(and it could fry your phone port if you charge it with it), or it can but just 2/5/10/15/25/65W, o it's 3.
Or Maybe it is USB "superspeed", but you don't quite remember if it is USB 3.2 Gen 2×2 or USB 3.2 Gen 2×1or USB 3.2 Gen 1x1. Or maybe it is thunderbolt 3 but you have to open up your PC in order to see that the tb controller you have only handles 20gbps... And that the cable you bought can only carry a TB signal and won't work with a USB one.
Standards are about the bare minimum you get for sure, not what is theoretically achievable.. it's a little frustrating to see the mess that they made out of what was promising about USB C
"it just works"
indeed
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Tech is magic
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I tried turning it off and on again Todd but my FO4 still doesnt work...
I was there on the early days when PnP moniker stood for "Plug and Pray"
I was there before that when Amiga had functional PnP several years before PC "PnP".
"While companies stand to benefit from cooperation."
*Flashback to Phoebus cartel*
What flashbang? The bulb just burned out.
It was Tech, a quickie, and it had Riley. A match made in heaven
Yeah i want riley to give me a quickie
@@DeadpoolPlayz bruh moment
@@DeadpoolPlayz what 😐
NoCrea sus
At 3:40, apparently not so successful as The Pirate Bay is full of UHD BlueRay rips in 4K.
I was just thinking the same thing lol.
Usually for pcs, as rumor suggests, rips run fine on a computer, not so much when piped through an hdmi signal to some hd TVs.
How do you know?
That's an illegal site, dude. Don't be a criminal.
@@turbofanlover lmao
Love how Apple introduced the usb-c to the world and then decided to go with the lightning cable for its phone but the USB cable for its computer but that cable needs to be there specific cable specifically because well it needs the power brake for the laptop
You say “HDCP” I say “Arrrrr, thar be ways around that” 😎
Yar maty, go sail the seven seas!
@@ToxNano sail ‘em strait to the BAY!!
I really like these types of videos from this host!
this guy's name is Riley, he's the best host of LTT
@@Kuba295k hes the most fun to watch coz of his enthusiasm
@@Kuba295k I wasn’t sure how to spell his name, and went with just “this host”.
@@dylanwalter7359 wait how would you have spelled Riley?
@@FirestormX9 Ryleigh
The greatest thing about 'standards' is that there are so damned many on them!
ikr...
There are 14 standards for how to do a thing.
Someone: "This is unacceptable. We should bring everyone together and agree on how to do it."
Next year: There are 15 standards for how to do the thing.
"companies work together"
Apple: so what exactly did you say?
Apple is part of the USB-IF actually
Also thunderbolt is collab between apple and Intel....
@@calebharper9567 well yes, but other than that... not much
*Crapple
As far as I know the European Union 🇪🇺 pushed phone manufacturers a few years back to standardize their charger plugs so that they would be interchangeable.
Just remembering the times before USB makes me feel old as shit... I was a little kid then, but still.
Ahhh those old times !! some mouses Even used the serial Port!
Serial port mouses without wheels but with real three buttons, and with the always dirty ball instead of fancy optical sensors. Printers were on parallel port, and sometimes you had to play around with the irqs and dmas to get the damn thing work.
Love the new "old Techquickie" look.
USB is a brilliant invention. Back in the day at uni I had to do a PowerPoint presentation. It was too big to fit on a floppy disk. Although I had a CD burner, none of the uni PC's had CD-ROM drives. I wasn't allowed to open up a uni PC to add my hard drive. USB hadn't been invented. Laptops were phenomenally expensive and underpowered, so no one had them.
I ended up having to carry my full tower PC in on the bus to do the presentation. I'm glad those days are over.
Is it just me or did they actually used a non clickbait title like old days
"Why Tech Automatically Works" as a title without the thumbnail is pretty clickbaity imho.
@@Appoxo Now when you said it. Yeah makes sense. But less clickbaity compared to other recent titles.
How old are we talking here? Cause a couple years ago they were doing some pretty clickbaity videos 😂
Glad to see the sort of old format, interesting video :)
Riley, your pep and your mustache make my day. Keep on keepin on man :)
So I thought this was going to talk about how drivers are distributed on windows or the standards for input devices that are connected via usb and printers, where before you needed drivers and now devices seem to mostly just work when you connect them to windows. I'd really like a video on this topic.
"Ever heard of Type C?"
Apple Users : "Is that a virus?"
Those old Microsoft Optical mice were and still are some of the best ever made!
I have one new in box still sealed :)
Can someone tell half my gadgets to get the memo?
nah. Unplug and replug it till something else breaks :)
0:38 laughs in Internet Explorer
Thank you Seasonic for support LLT channels.
PC'97 standard color coded connectors.
Before they were just black or uncolored.
Now you know that a Purple PS/2 is keyboard, a pink TRS connector is microphone, a 9pin D sub connector is RS232 serial.
This made setting up a PC easy.
I started to collect all my old films on Blu-ray and waited for Blu-ray drives to come down in price. I finally purchased a Blu-ray drive for my PC only to find out that you cannot watch your Blu-ray films on PC. I wonder why Pirating is a thing ??
Universal standards?
Apple has left the chat.
oh yeah, totally. they're just greedy.
USB only took off in the mainstream once Apple made it the only way to connect to an iMac. Apple helped develop the USB C connector and was very early in making it standard on all their laptops.
"the usb logo on a product also helps consumers understand the product will simply work a certain way"
then USB 3 happened ....
Hell, I remember when USB C and three was /supposed to be) connected so that USB C always was USB 3 or higher. Then some companies decided that there should be slow USB C connectors (USB 2.1 speed) as well.
Educational across all platforms Great Job
"why tech automatically works?"
meanwhile youtube deciding to load this and every video in 240p instead of 1440p I constantly have to switch to
(the internet is fast enough to load it in real time)
It's extremely annoying, but I did manage to default it to "High" or whatever in settings.
Riley 4 the win, i just now watched this Intel 5k extreme tech upgrade, Right before this video pop up, and damn good Minimalistic one, just like this video!
3.37 Thanks for showing the movie titles, Found "Paul" which i didn't have in my 25,000+ movies collection
Hdcp is so good that i cant legaly watch 4k movies on my old 4k Monitor, even thoug my pc does in fact support it in the needed Version
Speaking on standards, this text you're reading, as all the others on this webpage are using the ASCII character standard.
All data is actually numbers, and the ASCII (and ansi) determine which number is each letter.
Before that, computers would use different numbers for each character.
And then there is Apple...😂
It's just gonna be all USB4 Type C from now on hopefully
Well, the old PS/2 keyboard/mouse connectors stayed around for a looong time after their obsolescence (actually probably too long), so I would bet PCs and laptops will have USB A for quite some time for compatibility.
aw I wanted to know how pc components across different brands just work together thatd be cool
The same interfaces talk to each other the same way no matter the brand, with a few exceptions.
I dunno how deep you want to go but there's a YT channel "Ben Eater". He explained how CPU works on electrical level, made his own GPU and connected it to D-Sub and recently explained how computer is communicating with keyboard. That should help you understand how do standards work, why they work, why do we need engineers and why they are depressed.
The great thing about USB is you have to try to plug it in each way about 20 times before it finally fits. And by then the connector is broken from trying to plug it in the wrong way around so many times that it doesn't work anyway.
Apparently USB Flash drive is the only PC related thing we can buy these days! 😂
Good one.
I wish I had hair like Riley. Riley gimme dat
Just don't become one of those people who buy GPUs just to resell it at a huge profit in the second hand market.
HDCP was the bane tech call I would get when working in Resi Tech Support for an ISP long ago...hated em haha!
If only bicycle makers would agree and use the same damn DERAILLEUR HANGER. There's literally hundreds of different types!
Can you buy non-HDCP-compliant cables?
Hey can you make a fast video about putting the gpu and monitor settings at its best performance, FPS and resolution. I built my computer for the use of autocade, sap2000, revit, and other programs that I would like to have the best visuals for 3D designs. I want to see every contours and details, but at the same time I will play games such as warzone, fort, apex, etc. I don’t mind losing gaming performance or any other aspect if it means getting amazing results for autocade and such, but I would want to get the best of both worlds if possible.
i liked the music in this actually its very intriguing
As a guy who's been a pirate long before I understood what "piracy" meant, I still see HDCP as a street crossing button. 😂🤣
For the USB one i am still of the mind set the serial connector is better.
1 more room inbetween the pins so you can have electrical singals be input faster without interference
2 more pins so you can send more data. On USB you only have 4 pins. 1 for data 2 for data the last for ground. The serial connector in this video had 3 sets of 4 pins so in theory you could have 3x the amount of data sent at the same time.
2 Now we are also sending power over USB having 3 pins for power will make the output per pin have to be less instead of sending it all out through 1 pin
3 having 6 pins for data instead of 2 pins for data will mean more possible bandwidth
4 more pins for ground some could also be used as control pins instead of ground pins as it wouldn't be an exact copy of the USB pinout. Control pins are used in higher speed connections to not have to use a data pin to do the speed control when one side is able to go faster or only able to go slower than the other. Might sound useless after the connection is made but is needed in the process of making 10Gbps or faster connections. So a data pin is used in USB instead of another pin to do that job.
5 IF we standardized the serial connector onto one of them with 12 pins instead of making a new one with only 4 pins it would have also had that screw in screw out locking thing that holds it in place. I get people like the convenience of not having to screw in everything anymore but it helps for devices that are to be plugged in once and left plugged in.
there is an error in the bluetooth history it was not founded only by ibm and ericsson (the basic research on an universal wireless communication was) but bluetooth itself was founded by 5 companies( IBM and Ericsson were founding signatories, total of five members: Ericsson, Intel, Nokia, Toshiba and IBM)
This comment is about how grateful I am about this channel.. thanks guys
Really liking the fact the green screen is back:)
HDCP stands for "High-bandwith Digital Content Protection" and not "High Definition Content Protection"
Thanks Riley!
Video topic request: so what's happening with USB 4? I believe its been out since last year, but I don't see any mention of it in new motherboards, etc.
Is it incorporated in USB-C by any chance?
In contrast to prior USB protocol standards, USB4 requires USB-C connectors, and for power delivery, it requires support of USB PD. In contrast to USB 3.2, it allows tunneling of DisplayPort and PCI Express. The architecture defines a method to share a single high-speed link with multiple end device types dynamically that best serves the transfer of data by type and application. USB4 products must support 20 Gbit/s throughput and can support 40 Gbit/s throughput, but due to tunneling even nominal 20 Gbit/s can result in higher effective data rates in USB4, compared to USB 3.2, when sending mixed data.
The USB4 specification is based on the Thunderbolt 3 protocol specification. Support of interoperability with Thunderbolt 3 products is optional for USB4 hosts and USB4 peripheral devices, and is required for USB4 hubs on their downward facing ports and for USB4-based docks on their downward and upward facing ports.
1:00 Is that Johnathan from Mac Address? lolol
just Watching Snazzy Labs video of WWDC and realised Quinn is wearing LTT Merch!
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Wow, that Microsoft Intellimouse 3.0 at the start, best gaming mouse at the end of the 90s 😆
yo, I like this little infotainment piece. a perfect type of video for a pre-recorded, scripted video you guys can bank at the end of the week(end) and have ready for Monday so you don't have to struggle to record on Monday every week. ;)
PS. LOVED the '17 videos in a week' video. seriously awesome. I would love more behind-the-scenes sausage-making stuff. ;)
Please mention the engineer who invented the USB, Ajay Bhatt, one of the most path breaking inventions in the computer industry imho
Yaye! Lebanon is on a tech channel!
No one remembers "IBM PC" standard anymore :(
LIM (Lotus-Intel-Microsoft) compatible!
I used to have issues with some of my Blu-rays not being able to play until I started using DVD Anywhere or DVDFab. They do away with any copy protection as well as regions on both DVD and Blu-rays. To prevent any legal actions I have kept the original discs.
I have a dual VHS/DVD recorder that on the back says that it will not copy copyrighted VHS tapes to DVD. However curiosity got the best of me and tried 3 different VHS tapes which said that the had copy protection on them. I copied all 3 without errors. The picture quality on the appear better than the quality on the original tape to my eyes.
There were copy protection schemes on CDs that were useless as one of my CD-ROM drives would rip the music tracks off from them regardless of the scheme. I still have that drive in an IDE to USB external case. I know that most people prefer streaming these days. I still prefer my music locally that way I don't have to rely on an Internet connection to hear music.
I have over 16,000 12 inch vinyl singles dating from the late 1970's til now. Back during the Napster era instead of ripping the vinyl to MP3 I would download from Napster only what I had on vinyl. I have since replaced those 128 kbps files to 320 kbps files from my own collection of vinyl.
Bottom line is that no matter what copy-protection scheme that the industry comes up with hackers come up with away of defeating it.
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@@dhnn8047 yay! a crypto currency trader with a Houston area code.
2:35 hi from Lebanon
Very Nice Story 👍
I had to disconnect my laptop from my eGPU to watch movies for classes. so instead on a 27" monitor I had to watch it on a 15"laptop
At least you can watch it at stunning 4K resolution!!!
*Why native usbc does not work automatically?*
I thought this video was going to be about drivers
I really need to learn more about how drivers work
That is one crispy edged key. Not a wisp to be seen.
Apple used USB on all its products starting in 1998, which also helped get USB popular. USB was sorta hit and miss on Windows machines prior to Windows 2000 , or XP for the general consumer market. I was a Dos/Windows person back then but do recognize Apple for pushing the Standard forward.
I remember first using USB with WinXP.
@@CasepbX I used it with Win 95 rel 2 but it was spotty with what devices worked correctly. I had a retail computer store all thru the 90's and early USB was annoying until Win 2000 and then XP. Prior to Win 2000 it sometimes worked and other times didn't. Serial was still much more stable and reliable until XP.
Linus: *I mean... It works!!!*
how did you manage to go a whole video about tech standards without mentioning IEEE?
impressive
What is IEEE
Not to mention IETF which was another group of people behind email standardization. It just works.
I'm so old that I remember the days before the USB standard. It way mayhem I tell you!
Floppy Disks were amazing back then!!! Only the real OGs will remember!!!
Same thing at loading cables for Handys in the 1990s
thanks brother
Everyone's talking about HDCP when I have no idea what the hell it is
Same here. I'm just used to downloading everything I want and then play the .mkv file with vlc.
I know what is it but i never had problems with it.
To see movies i use a pendrive and plug it to the TV or in same cases I used PLEX.
I think that only the persons which use hd dvd and bluray may have problems with the HDCP stuff.
It's simple. When it is cost effective to work together-they do. When it's not, they don't.
Seasonic: 🎵I'm gonna leave your PC open...🎵
Riley is a great host!!!!
Whit n all
Standards(?): *BLOODY HIPSTER DETECTED*
I'd rather have different cables and ports rather and getting a C cable and discovering it doesn't support the thing I need such as only having usb2 speeds rather than 3. Usb3 has clearly marked connectors. The A side is usually blue or you can check visually for extra pins. The other side is significantly more bulky than usb2 cables and are also marked with blue.
I like universal standards that are actually standard and not just the same shape. When I get a usb3 cable, I can reasonably expect usb3 speeds.
1:34 this is depressing… I still own and use that mouse 😬
when that usb microsoft mouse is the one that you are using now :(
3:27 Uh.. fogive me if I'm wrong but I dont think that's what HDCP stands for. Isn't it Hi-bandwidth Digital Content Protection?
Ha! a few seconds later @ 4:02 and there it is and there it is right on the screen.
3:18 I have that exact HDMI cable!
I know nobody cares but I just thought it was funny lol
HDCP is also trivially bypassed so that worked out well for them
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HDCP actually stands for High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection
Yah, HDCP is a joke most the time. It will give me trouble when I connect to to my tele to legitimately watch it ... but if I connect it to my capture card and OBS, every single device has played perfectly fine, letting me watch my content on my computer, and record if I so choose. (And yes, the playback does work, the video files contain the video and audio, so it's useful as a "dvr".)
My tech always half works, I legit always need to spend hours troubleshooting.
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Can't figure out how to plug my new m1 mac mini into my monitor. The HDMI to DVI function doesn't work on m1s at all. Or to VGA.
according to apple, i guess you need something called a
USB-C VGA Multiport adapter
one of the pains with standards is they keep getting updated. I wonder if that's so we'll keep buying new stuff?
Oh the irony, that statistically at least a few devices crashed during the watching of this video or its title.