BEST Banana Farm in BTD6 and Why

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  • BEST Banana Farm in BTD6 and Why. I cover exactly the order you should go in for different scenarios including elite bloonarius and impoppable runs. I also cover the numbers on why they are good but they can range based on monkey knowledge and difficulty
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  • @stuffedcrustpizza6659
    @stuffedcrustpizza6659 3 года назад +7766

    In other words:
    Top path if your going for the long run.
    Middle path if your going for actual runs.
    Bottom path for less micro.

    • @Hbomb
      @Hbomb  3 года назад +1174

      Good tldr

    • @fbismostwantedbean8195
      @fbismostwantedbean8195 3 года назад +430

      Bottom path if you want lives also

    • @anwar19191
      @anwar19191 3 года назад +311

      @@fbismostwantedbean8195 YES AND LIVES ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE LATE - SUPER LATE GAME OFC

    • @PHONISHOE
      @PHONISHOE 3 года назад +36

      @@anwar19191 yes

    • @TuckerPiper
      @TuckerPiper 3 года назад +82

      But bottom path does life regen and could be helpful for trying to find the life cap

  • @LughSamildanach
    @LughSamildanach 3 года назад +1501

    After hitting veteran level 3 and grinding out the more awful achievements, I've come to love the bottom path. Saving that much effort over so many games is just so much better than anything else.

    • @Hbomb
      @Hbomb  3 года назад +157

      Same!

    • @thatgamerboy3467
      @thatgamerboy3467 2 года назад +17

      @@Hbomb im in love with the monkey bank its just amazing

    • @hi_imfitzek4434
      @hi_imfitzek4434 2 года назад +70

      I just pay my farmers to do the dirty work

    • @thatoneguy4391
      @thatoneguy4391 2 года назад +7

      @@hi_imfitzek4434 genius

    • @liamratliff3824
      @liamratliff3824 Год назад +1

      @@thatgamerboy3467 it's good early game however isn't nearly as good later rounds

  • @Mathgodpi
    @Mathgodpi 2 года назад +1137

    The downside to using the bank is that you don't actually get to use the income from it until you collect it, and the big gains don't happen until you've been waiting for several rounds. Most of the time this won't matter, but sometimes you can get stuck waiting for the interest to build.

    • @olixx1213
      @olixx1213 2 года назад +5

      @Doctah Wahwee you still get more money then other farms tho

    • @Contemplatingspider
      @Contemplatingspider 2 года назад +3

      I mean bottom path is pretty good if you have buccaneers

    • @zhiqiangchen6235
      @zhiqiangchen6235 2 года назад +3

      @Doctah Wahwee not to mention the huge nerf of that you can’t deposit 3rd tier anymore so you can’t just deposit some to make it even more money quicker

    • @air_y1777
      @air_y1777 2 года назад +6

      it doesn’t really matter, if you can’t beat what’s thrown at you, simply just collect and if things go very wrong you can even just sell the banks

    • @sippxleanz747
      @sippxleanz747 2 года назад +2

      @@air_y1777 nice argument. you have to do this in boss events like bloonarius or lych a lot of the times but that's any farm.

  • @hardworkingslacker7233
    @hardworkingslacker7233 2 года назад +168

    I think you should have mentioned the Central Market + Merchant synergy because that is where its real power lies. 10 Central Markets give +100% Money from each merchant so if you can combine 0-2-4 farms with two or three dozens of 0-0-4 merchants it will make you money so fast you cannot even spend it in time. It also works really well for certain boss events.

    • @luiswebdev8292
      @luiswebdev8292 Год назад +2

      I didn't know this, I will try it!

    • @Sloan_Alone
      @Sloan_Alone Год назад +2

      This

    • @logyy8886
      @logyy8886 10 месяцев назад +6

      Not to mention Trade Empire boosts the cash earned for all other Merchants so you can realistically be making like $1,800 per merchant per round AND Wall Street upgrade gives +10hp per round

    • @holdintheaces7468
      @holdintheaces7468 9 месяцев назад +2

      You mean the thing he hinted at in the last few seconds of the video...?

    • @MorganSaph
      @MorganSaph 26 дней назад

      2 years later
      20 merchantmen and 1 central market make close to 20k per round

  • @aperson4097
    @aperson4097 3 года назад +837

    I thought banks were semi-unviable compared to the other farms when deposits were 4th tier only. Great to know they're still the most efficient!
    Now I just need a merchantmen and druid video, especially since they're becoming more meta.

    • @john_hatten2862
      @john_hatten2862 3 года назад +67

      They pay themself very fast, but it takes a long time to collect. With other banks, you can continually reinvest in more banks, and this makes a big difference in your income overtime.
      My prefered strat is bottom path boats + farms

    • @niconicer6463
      @niconicer6463 3 года назад +2

      I like 1/2 2-0-0 farms into banks combined with bank

    • @edgardo400zx
      @edgardo400zx 3 года назад +1

      @@john_hatten2862 is there some kind of buff with merchant + farm?

    • @john_hatten2862
      @john_hatten2862 3 года назад +22

      @@edgardo400zx 0-0-4 boats income is boosted by a 0-0-5 boat, and every 0-0-4 farms. Plus, you dont have to manually collect anything. It might be slower in early game, but it really shines when you start having multiple boats/farms.
      Also, 0-2-x boats makes good early game defences, pops camo and leads. So basically 100% of your income can go in more boats. There's also a 95% resell things on things close to your boats, nice to have on bloonarius.
      Also if you dont have water, a portable pool is cheaper than a farmer, and can fit 4 boats

    • @bluerious5475
      @bluerious5475 3 года назад +6

      Dude, banks were literally the most broken farms way before deposits were introduced, though.

  • @WabiSabiful
    @WabiSabiful 3 года назад +76

    I was just wondering if there was a clearcut guide for this and here it is. Thank you! And thank you for pinning someone's TLDR comment summing it up. For the heck of it, it would be fun to watch a comparison of all the money making towers in the game that aren't farms - merchantment, snipers, druids, lead to gold alchs, etc.

  • @moomoomachines7193
    @moomoomachines7193 2 года назад +284

    Another thing to note,
    If u want to sell a 200 farm, u gain more money if u upgrade it to a 202 and then sell it because of the increased sell back.

    • @fuzzythoughts8020
      @fuzzythoughts8020 2 года назад +5

      You also spend more to get it

    • @moomoomachines7193
      @moomoomachines7193 2 года назад +98

      @@fuzzythoughts8020 actually u dont, u gain more from the sellback than u spend.

    • @audistant4011
      @audistant4011 Год назад +10

      @@moomoomachines7193 it's kinda busted, you get like an extra $250 back

    • @thunderspark1536
      @thunderspark1536 Год назад +4

      ​@@audistant4011 Is that infinite money or am I just dum?

    • @coryman125
      @coryman125 Год назад +15

      @@thunderspark1536 I think the distinction is you get more money than if you didn't buy the upgrades, but not more money than the 200 farm cost to begin with

  • @ThePickleUnderMyBed
    @ThePickleUnderMyBed 3 года назад +51

    I've always wanted to know thanks for making this vid

  • @Holistacia
    @Holistacia 3 года назад +1823

    so what about synergising with xx4 boats? whats the best ratio of boats to central markets and is it better than banks or factories?

    • @Hbomb
      @Hbomb  3 года назад +850

      Ha, that will have to be another video. And a lot of research, but I'm on it

    • @Wavinto
      @Wavinto 3 года назад +85

      Hbomb Can you also include if it is worth it going for 2/4/0 Banks if you have the deposit monkey knowledge from Support tree and how to best use it then

    • @sketchthespirit
      @sketchthespirit 3 года назад +8

      xx4 naners boost xx3 and up for boats up to 10 stacks iirc

    • @tayvey7733
      @tayvey7733 3 года назад +26

      So actually i can explain it for you. If you have ten x24 farms and nineteen xx4 boats with one xx5 boat then thats an extremely good way to make money. if you have any other questions about it just ask me :)

    • @christsdisciple3105
      @christsdisciple3105 3 года назад +7

      @@tayvey7733 I'll admit it has been a little while since I last used that, but I think you can actually have twenty xx4 boats with the one xx5, and the buff of the xx5 will still affect the last xx4.

  • @kevin6165
    @kevin6165 2 года назад +26

    Practically speaking, boats offer a lot more as a farming tool, lets you have very nice defence against pretty much anything early game stages can throw at you while generating money each round when you cross skill 0/2/3 and above, once you finished farming, it also lets you instantly go into a level 50+ paragon.

    • @thatoneguy8966
      @thatoneguy8966 2 года назад +3

      I didn't realize money generation went into paragon level, so when I was playing on a map with not much water I was shocked when my 8 boats turned into a level 71 paragon

  • @mecronancer1060
    @mecronancer1060 3 года назад +1964

    Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that 0-2-3 farm is more efficient than 3-2-0?

    • @trank3166
      @trank3166 3 года назад +343

      No, with monkey knowledge, it costs less and makes the same each round

    • @gaminggamer2477
      @gaminggamer2477 3 года назад +14

      @@trank3166 the 0-2-3 with monkey knowledge it makes the same and its cheaper

    • @stuffedcrustpizza6659
      @stuffedcrustpizza6659 3 года назад +222

      @@gaminggamer2477 023 Banana farm with Monkey knowledge makes slightly more money than 203.

    • @jocabulous
      @jocabulous 3 года назад +80

      plus it gives lives with knowledge

    • @Santisima_Trinidad
      @Santisima_Trinidad 3 года назад +89

      Not exactly. The advantage of top path is that you can start with it, and going 320 is more efficient than going 203. So whilst 023 is more efficient than 320, you get you that greater efficiency later, which means the two farms are pretty even overall.

  • @Fredongo_
    @Fredongo_ 2 года назад +12

    I think that an honorable mention is the 023+ farms being very valuable in Lych runs because the healing helps counteract the life drain (which gets really really big later on), and especially on maps with water:
    If my numbers are right, then with 20+1 boats producing money, the 024 Farm provides the highest amount of money per round (when including the buff it provides) while costing less than the 420 as well, making it the best way to use your space until you have ten of them, at which point you can still add some 420s in as well

  • @menchelke
    @menchelke 2 года назад +53

    So, I did a full test, rounds 1-40 however in the custom scenario, so that I had the exact same towers, used Benjamin, and monkey knowledge. Tier 3, the bank is indeed the best. But at tier 4, the 2-4-0 falls behind both the 4-2-0 and the 0-2-4 farms, making it the worst late tier farm. But mid tier, ie tier 3, it's the best. I haven't tested if, it makes sense to get multiple banks then sell them all and convert to 4-2-0 farms once you have enough banked up.

    • @user-fg4fi5cw4x
      @user-fg4fi5cw4x 2 года назад

      Benjamin buffs banks

    • @menchelke
      @menchelke 2 года назад

      @@user-fg4fi5cw4x I know, but you can make your own deposits on the imf loan bank, supposedly allowing it to generate more interest quicker. But even with Benjamin the imf bank falls behind the 4-2-0

    • @The360MlgNoscoper
      @The360MlgNoscoper 2 года назад +1

      Tier 4 bank has a better cap so it can make better use of the interest.

    • @zhiqiangchen6235
      @zhiqiangchen6235 2 года назад

      Did you use the ability

    • @maikbottcher795
      @maikbottcher795 2 года назад

      Monkey village can absorb banana farms right? Is there a loss of money if you absorb a 4-2-0 farm or does the village generate the same amount of money?

  • @pokemnfan1
    @pokemnfan1 3 года назад +33

    The main downsides of the monkey bank are that 1) you have to pay more attention to them, and 2) you can't spend the money it's generating until you collect from it. Which are fair enough reasons why banks generate so much more money.

    • @Patricio4Christ
      @Patricio4Christ Год назад +4

      I think that the bottom tier upgrade (level 2) causes the banks to collect automatically. It helps me because I often forget to withdraw funds when the banks get filled to the capacity.

    • @evanhanchett893
      @evanhanchett893 Год назад +1

      @@Patricio4Christ but you have to spend a longer time for it to actually become full

  • @saasggy3487
    @saasggy3487 2 года назад +3

    Thanks so much. As a beginner this information helped me a TON in my runs especially in hard mode

  • @tophatstudios9824
    @tophatstudios9824 2 года назад +18

    A 2-0-3 Market place is really good if your starting out on tbd 6. It allows you to focus on defenses while gaining 20 every 5 seconds, if your on normal speed.

    • @sebloc42
      @sebloc42 Год назад +12

      Ah yes, i love playing To be determined 6

  • @Godzilla-rg5rh
    @Godzilla-rg5rh 3 года назад +42

    For me I like bottom path because it’s practically top and middle kinda combined

  • @ted3134
    @ted3134 2 года назад +12

    Bro, for the love of sweet baby jesus. Pump out content. I can't get enough !!!
    Legit you are by far the best at explaining the best strat for towers and how they work !!!
    Keep it up dude, and can't wait till more people find you and realise how good ur content is !!

    • @Hbomb
      @Hbomb  2 года назад +5

      Thanks man, I appreciate it!

  • @fabianomartinsribeirojunio9576
    @fabianomartinsribeirojunio9576 2 года назад +3

    Incredible video, easy to understand and fun to watch, nice!

  • @meefvongrau9814
    @meefvongrau9814 2 года назад +16

    the bank is so good that i usally build normal farms, collect them then sell them to be able to afford a bank as early as possible, esp. in the rounds until maybe 50 i usually dont build any tier 2 farms. getting to tier 3 early is just too beneficial.

  • @lolbro8701
    @lolbro8701 3 года назад +21

    I honestly just go for bottom path because I'm incredibly lazy

  • @makoshark7122
    @makoshark7122 10 месяцев назад +2

    Middle path has always been more interesting and fun to me, the way it works. The other ones dont need nearly as much managing to get use out of which can be good but i personally enjoy it

  • @Sparsh_05
    @Sparsh_05 3 года назад +28

    I always liked the middle path(2-3-0), now I feel like it’s justified using it. Thanks for the vid

  • @Ludumm
    @Ludumm 3 года назад +150

    Constructive criticism here. When going over the math behind farms, you should display text to visualize key words you said like “money made a round” and “rounds till paid off”.
    Otherwise great video.
    How many 3-0-0 farms do you need to build before a 0-0-2 village gives the 15% discount on the third tier?

  • @littleguy6817
    @littleguy6817 3 года назад +60

    I found out recently that over clock and ultraboost increases monkey money from farms.

    • @Ajaxlancer
      @Ajaxlancer 2 года назад +5

      the hell? since when? I've been losing out on economical efficiency??

    • @ironmetea308
      @ironmetea308 2 года назад +2

      Do you know something that we don't know?

    • @littleguy6817
      @littleguy6817 2 года назад +7

      @@ironmetea308 i just was testing the bottom path village out and remembered that over clock gives towers extra range. I was testing on round 100 because it gives u the max monkey money your farms produce all at once. I got bored and decided to ultraboost the farm and sure enough it gave me more money. I decided to check all the ultraboost lvls to see the difference in money
      1-3 4-7 8-9 10.
      1, 4, 8, and 10 are when the money increases. It works on all the farms but Is best used on the top path since, the top path money no longer falls off its a flat rate. If you make 2000 on round 100 u will still make the same amount on all the other rounds not counting pop count.

    • @littleguy6817
      @littleguy6817 2 года назад +1

      I don't know when this was changed and have seen no one talking about it. It is only a late game strategy but it works.

    • @spacemanifestdestiny3542
      @spacemanifestdestiny3542 2 года назад

      Does it also work with Monkeyopolis?

  • @thatsroughbuddy1407
    @thatsroughbuddy1407 2 года назад +10

    This video had no business being this well made, but wow. I bet you could write an essay on Banana Farms!

  • @etzrah
    @etzrah 3 года назад +1

    THANK YOU I've been looking for a video like this.

  • @NotSoUltraJason
    @NotSoUltraJason 3 года назад +39

    the thing is, banks keep the money they generate, so u cant use the money for more farms(bloonarius) or more defence (the map is hard)
    bank are really good for mid game tho

    • @plumbeats4573
      @plumbeats4573 3 года назад +5

      Yea I wish he said this cause it’s important. Building off banks is harder

    • @mystical1216
      @mystical1216 3 года назад

      Everywhere I go see his face
      UlTrAJaSoN

    • @iceicicle3046
      @iceicicle3046 3 года назад +1

      You can just collect the money?

    • @Shizuna560
      @Shizuna560 3 года назад +10

      @@iceicicle3046 you should collect bank at $9500 for maximum value

    • @iceicicle3046
      @iceicicle3046 3 года назад +1

      @@Shizuna560 yes but if you want more banks faster then why not collect the money from them earlier

  • @XperimentorEES
    @XperimentorEES 2 года назад +35

    Did you know putting a 004 village near the farms (and other money generating towers) actually amplifies all their earnings without sacrificing any? It's most noticeable at the end of a round when it does the finishing bonuses.

    • @hobomike6935
      @hobomike6935 Год назад

      the 004 village costs a tremendous amount of money up-front (like over $16,000) nullifying any benefit you might get from it and taking away funding from what measly towers you might have trying to defend leaks while you're investing $1000s into farms.
      at the end, you're pretty much screwed; by the time farms pay themselves and their upgrades back, the game's usually either over or you've lost from not having enough funding to buy defense upgrades to stop the bloons. the cash flow in BTD6 is just utterly ruined compared to 5 and you can never get enough money no matter how much micromanaging.
      What's worse is that the cash-per-pop actually *decreases* slowly starting after round 40, so it feels like you're playing half-cash mode by around round 70.

    • @leonhardable
      @leonhardable Год назад

      lmao i cant mention people because kf my shitty youtube app, but @hobomike6935
      Have you ever thought about the possibility that you just suck at the game? 😂

    • @AkitoLite
      @AkitoLite Год назад +5

      ​@@hobomike6935uhmmm... I'm pretty sure that's a you issue?

    • @watermelongaming3698
      @watermelongaming3698 Год назад +2

      @@AkitoLite Agreed.

  • @blazera
    @blazera 3 года назад +9

    Would love a video on the other money generation methods, like the recently popular jungle druid spam

  • @rotofuryl9s465
    @rotofuryl9s465 Год назад

    Proud of your growth. Watched you back when you got a couple k of subs and now over 100k. and btd6 is still present. See ya in 2023👊

  • @banana1379
    @banana1379 2 года назад +5

    i personally like the monkeyopolis with 8 4-2-0 banana farm sacrifices. Its possible to get before round 80 and gives 31,500 bananas per round

  • @AleksandarIvanov69
    @AleksandarIvanov69 2 года назад +5

    Just started playing BTD6 and I am surprised how deep it goes!
    As a veteran in TDs I am amazed at some of the mechanics and the farms is one of them 😁
    Wonderful game!

  • @nightwatch3889
    @nightwatch3889 3 года назад +32

    The reason I dont use banks most of the time is because they totally fall off the higher round you get (since they start collecting way slower). I'm surprised nobody ever brings this up. Not to mention they're a little boring to use imo

    • @BigDBrian
      @BigDBrian 3 года назад +20

      per-round income 'falls off" like that no matter which path. Banks aren't particularly singled out on it, and the comparison remains the same. Only ability based income isn't round-based, which for the banana farm funnily enough does require the bank's path.

    • @rorytravis7959
      @rorytravis7959 3 года назад +1

      I just don't like getting random bursts of money

    • @nightwatch3889
      @nightwatch3889 3 года назад +1

      @@rorytravis7959 yeah kinda

    • @TechBuild
      @TechBuild 2 года назад +1

      The good thing about banks though is that they earn interest in stored money and with monkey knowledge upgrades, you can even deposit money in them.

    • @BigDBrian
      @BigDBrian 2 года назад

      @@TechBuild deposits only work for tier 4 now

  • @Tyrian3k
    @Tyrian3k 2 года назад +3

    One problem that no one seems to talk about with the middle path is that banks have one *serious* downside to them. Unlike the other paths, you cannot access the cash until the bank is full without losing profits. That means, while you will continuously build top and bottom path farms with the steady supply of money they give, banks mostly let you build additional farms in the payout rounds. That means you'll have your second other 3rd tier farms before you have your second bank, making profits along the way... which does beg the question if it's better to cash out once there's enough in there to get you a second bank or to wait till it's full and cash out then?
    That problem in addition to the constant hassle of managing banks (or sacrificing profit to sync them up) is what makes them not nearly as good as the numbers on paper might lead you to believe.
    I'd say that, if you're just going for a few farms and maximum -bank- bang for buck, middle path is great, but if you're in for the medium to large scale farming, you'll be far better off with top or bottom path.
    So my verdict is that banks are honestly a bit overrated just because their on-paper numbers make them seem a lot more efficient than they actually are.

  • @monky4163
    @monky4163 2 года назад +3

    I accidently clicked on this video but god I am so glad I did. I needed this because I always questioned myself when farming

  • @TheBoomersooner3
    @TheBoomersooner3 2 года назад +1

    Glad I'm not the only bloon banana optimizer. The monkey knowledge option to deposit money is OP if you get an array of 4 2-0 banana farms, level them into banks and make one IMF loan capable so you can deposit

  • @ProfBean69
    @ProfBean69 2 года назад +15

    "you should only go to tier 3" me, who's about to cover the entire screen with tier 3 farms: yeah, this is big brain time

  • @svenmeling6053
    @svenmeling6053 Год назад +15

    The bottom upgrades mainly seem useful if your towers are very micro intensive, like lots of military towers.

  • @cleitonoliveira932
    @cleitonoliveira932 2 года назад +6

    You have to wait for the bank to be full. A 320 farm will allow you to keep increasing the number of farms with the money, which boosts the production and doesn't lock the money.

    • @thebigblob8851
      @thebigblob8851 2 года назад

      Exactly top path you get the money which allows you to buy more banana farms in turn compounding the profits. Everyone talks about how many rounds they take before profit without factoring this in.

    • @marktate2683
      @marktate2683 2 года назад

      @@thebigblob8851 yeah overall what I do is start with 2 farms both 2-0-2 and then build up for marketplaces and then eventually I will have 4 farms 3 of them 2-0-4 and 1 being 2-0-5 and if I wanna go way past round 100 I will start spamming 2-0-4 farms. I don't like to worry about using my banana farmers to collect the money; especially since half the time I play on my Ipad and touching the screen to collect money sucks.

  • @scrp6638
    @scrp6638 2 года назад +6

    Could be doing anything else right now…
    But I’m studying the Banana Stock Market from a game where monkeys pop balloons.

  • @PieletPi
    @PieletPi 2 года назад +4

    And banks can be buffed by Benjamin, which is also pretty good.

  • @chartypeplays2396
    @chartypeplays2396 Месяц назад

    This was helpful, thanks. I would really like to see an overview of all the other ways you can get extra money in the game and when they're worth it, especially the monkeyopolis as it's so confusing to me when you should get the upgrade and when you're better off just leaving your banana farms as is.

  • @magikmus8672
    @magikmus8672 3 года назад +21

    I'm curious whether if banks make more or less money overall if you account for the fact that with other farm you can invest faster in new farms/upgrade because banks make you wait 12 turns

    • @charlespanache7047
      @charlespanache7047 2 года назад +1

      This question keeps some of us up at night

    • @YerryXander
      @YerryXander 2 года назад +1

      i've tested it, even with investing in tandem, the 2-0-0 banks and even 2-2-0 banks just make too little per turn compared to a bank, a single bank will have earned you 11.500 by turn 30, if you only place 2-0-0 banks as much as possible they will earn you around 9500 and if you only place 2-2-0 they will earn you about 7500, also i didnt place any more farms while i was waiting for my bank to pay for so you could if you know how to place cheap towers get a second bank right before the first one pays out, that would boost your earning to maybe 14000 by round 30, the 2-0-0 is easier though since i almost died multiple times while waiting for my payoff while you could sacrifice efficency to save yourself with 2-0-0, also i didnt use benjamin who is by himself the best money earner per round and also boosts banks so even more reason to use banks early

  • @toxdz_quack8466
    @toxdz_quack8466 2 года назад +1

    thank you for your informative videos! Now i know how to manage virtual money in a video game i have never played in my life! :)

  • @KorisnikBr1
    @KorisnikBr1 3 года назад +14

    what about other farming methods like boats or druids?
    pls make video on that
    we need SpiritoftheLaw like guy here in btd6

    • @Hbomb
      @Hbomb  3 года назад +10

      I can make one covering other methods too

    • @YerryXander
      @YerryXander 2 года назад

      boats are THE most efficent way to make money, but they cost more then 5-2-0 farms so they are only worth really late game

  • @bigboykenob2244
    @bigboykenob2244 2 года назад +2

    I use banks for the boss bloon because it’s easy to stack them in just about any map because of collect all, and top path basically requires you to have farmers which cost monkey money, and can’t collect every banana around the map due to range.

    • @Hbomb
      @Hbomb  2 года назад

      Fair enough

  • @lucystarlight8887
    @lucystarlight8887 2 года назад +3

    This video is actually really helpful, I had no idea what the specific differences were between the upgrade paths

  • @lizardlad8620
    @lizardlad8620 Год назад +1

    Idk if it’s just me, but for really long rounds I love the marketplace +merchant strat simply because of how much money you make per round. Plus the added lives are a very nice bonus

  • @rodp.1
    @rodp.1 2 года назад +14

    I agree with everything said‼️I usually start with a 2-0-0, followed by 0-0-3 farms just because they self collect. I try to get 4 minimum (depending on space of maps) but I like having 8-10ish. Then I'll buy the middle 2 upgrades on all of them. I upgrade them to 0-2-4 and by the time they're all 0-2-4, it won't be hard to upgrade one of them to 0-2-5

  • @slosh7072
    @slosh7072 2 года назад +1

    Hbomb: "Marketplaces make less money."
    Me who has extra water space I'm not using: 😈

  • @lucaspanto9650
    @lucaspanto9650 Год назад +3

    I use 2-3-0s and 2-0-4s to carry me all the ways into round 100 and above

  • @stephaniefissel2676
    @stephaniefissel2676 2 года назад +2

    Thank you so much man!! You truly did do all of the math and figure this out for all of us!! 😊

  • @TheFizio
    @TheFizio 3 года назад +4

    Meanwhile i'll do whatever it takes to make my Monkeyopolis absorb 18 farms in End Of The Road lol

  • @user-xs1by5qv5t
    @user-xs1by5qv5t Месяц назад

    Fun fact: at first time banana farm was added it worked like bottom path until btd5, in btd5 they removed that and made it only the top and middile path in btd6 but then in btd6 they made it so you can also get a banana farm that works same as it used to do way before

  • @bluerious5475
    @bluerious5475 3 года назад +11

    Any mention of how IMF loan farms can help your income snowball significantly faster than it potentially could have? I honestly do like using the loans to get up fourth tier farms much faster than you could in regular games, which means your overall income is boosted significantly making the IMF loan upgrade pay itself off tenfold.

    • @runakovacs4759
      @runakovacs4759 2 года назад +1

      And it enables investing, which makes it even faster.

  • @Crusadezzz
    @Crusadezzz 2 года назад +2

    The bad thing about bank is that when I get 1 I want 1 more and it doesn’t stop ever

  • @sfisher923
    @sfisher923 3 года назад +5

    I used 2-0-4/0-2-4 in every run since My Autism makes it's hard to Micro any other paths (Especially Banks)

    • @Hbomb
      @Hbomb  3 года назад +3

      I see. 0-2-4s are the way to go then

    • @bm-zy3gv
      @bm-zy3gv 2 года назад

      I use 0-2-4 as well 🙂

  • @TheSexiestGoblin
    @TheSexiestGoblin Год назад +1

    4-2-0 farms clustered together super tightly around a monkey farmer and a monkey town with one tier 5 banana factory for bonus cash

  • @PauloHenrique-sh4kb
    @PauloHenrique-sh4kb 2 года назад +10

    Actually the 100 Banana Farm is better inicially, than the 200, it produces more money/price. You set 3 of them, after that, place a 002 Village in range of them. After the Village you can also place more 100 Farms in range to use the discount (102 Village instead of 002 can help with the range). Once you placed your planned number of Farms, now you start to buy the 200 upgrades (with the 15% price discount), and then go straight 320, one by one. After that, you can sell the 102 Village if it will help making the first 420 Farm earlier.
    Another good option is to make the first thrid tier a 203 Farm (produces the same and it´s cheaper, so you can build it earlier to improove the income), then, build all 320, and later sell the 203 to help buying the first 420.
    I dont like to use the "time to pay itself" as a good parameter, but i rather use the "time i can sell it with no loss". Why?
    Because selling something to buy another is a common routine in BTD6. If you sell something, you lose 30% of price paid (you can lower it with MK and some upgrades to just 5%), so, if a tower produces more than this loss, its already a profit, MUCH earlier than "pay itself" time. With the MKs + xx4 Boat aura + 023 Farm, the profit starts at the same round (Yeah, just 1 round to start possible profit).
    And not to forget the 030 Bank (better than 230 by price paid) it is very situational since you can´t use the money its producing until it´s the time to collect. So, essencially, when you upgrade your bank to x30, your income per round DECREASES for the next few rounds, which slows down the construction of new Farms, possibly hindering the final money made.

    • @AtomicArtumas
      @AtomicArtumas 2 года назад +2

      ...Yeah, I really wish more people understood stuff like this. It frustrates me to no end that the entire bloons community basically just parrots the same "BANKS ARE THE BEST, END OF DISCUSSION" talking point when said talking point is based off something completely irrelevant to actual optimization.
      I know it's a "casual" game, but even "casual" games can be truly optimized.
      Also, the entire "time to pay itself off" point ends up being completely moot if you've already paid it off. Something like "total profit in x rounds" is a MUCH better metric to go by.
      Which also tends to cause most things to completely surpass banks... ESPECIALLY if you aren't using benjamin and don't have the bank MK yet. And considering how much value heroes like Etienne provide, there's absolutely no reason to always assume benjamin is being used.

    • @jasonvorhees7506
      @jasonvorhees7506 Год назад

      I am glad I am not the only one who thought this 💯

  • @SlurmpMergatroid
    @SlurmpMergatroid 2 года назад

    This was genuinely really helpful

  • @jermm2183
    @jermm2183 2 года назад +3

    Top path - highest quantity of money per round
    Middle path - fastest payback (note the income isn't incremental)
    Bottom Path - Best on water heavy maps with merchantmen, lives are nice too
    While not in the guide, I reccomend using a 0-4-1 druid or two hitting as many farms as you can, also where you have a section that no towers can pop frozen bloons, place a 0-1-2 ice monkey and use it to stall for multiple ability uses on your druid (don't do this in races or boss battles)

  • @Maximillionum
    @Maximillionum 2 года назад +2

    I have a question. So, Banks are the best income per round (if you let them build up to their cap), but they are bad vs a boss. Why is that? If they make the most per round, logically they would be the best, right...? I'm just asking because a friend and I are trying to beat Lych, and all of the strategies I see use Farms and/or Marketplaces, never banks. I just want to learn the mechanic/numbers behind it better so I can understand why our run with banks failed so hard...

    • @yuridc1780
      @yuridc1780 2 года назад

      Probably because most of the money from the bank is for making more farms, so your defence will most likely be not so prepared for the boss because you are still preparing to run the farms? but that doesn't make much sense since after you build the banks thats literally it thats all you will spend, and you will get all money from it after all by collecting it when they are full and they also generate the most cash alone compared to other farms unless paired with the buccaneer or druid which will then cost expensive to make

    • @YerryXander
      @YerryXander 2 года назад

      they're not bad against bosses, you just need to memorize when to build them for example if you build a bank on round 13 in lych you will get 9k right before lych spawsn, enough for 2 tier 4 monkeys, enough to beat tier 1 lych and from there just build more farms and place more monkeys right before boss spawns

    • @YerryXander
      @YerryXander 2 года назад

      i think people just dont bother or care to micro banks so they go for the easier but less efficent marketplace or basic farms

  • @khaledahmed9136
    @khaledahmed9136 3 года назад +15

    Cool video, I've always been curious about the math behind farming, but I'm too lazy to do it myself.
    I usually go for a monkeyopolis just cuz why not.
    also, I think this kind of video should be done using medium prices with no Monkey Knowledge, as it makes adjusting for the other game modes easier.

  • @Linkman8912
    @Linkman8912 6 месяцев назад +1

    "anything more than that is overkill" me getting a flying fortress for round 60:

  • @PurpleFreezerPage
    @PurpleFreezerPage 2 года назад +4

    Bro just imagine for a second being able to get a banana farm in hard mode without dying first

  • @joostmartens2790
    @joostmartens2790 2 года назад +1

    Bank is the most efficiënt on its own, but if you place more than just one it isn' t.
    Here is why, when you buy a farm (not the bank) you get the money immediately but when you have a bank you need to collect first. If you get the money immediately you can re-infest in other farms which will grow your production.
    So when you are planning to keep infesting in your farms you want to not get a bank but another crosspath.

  • @matthewheitzman5993
    @matthewheitzman5993 2 года назад +4

    Honestly bro any normal game I can just get 0-2-4 farms (about 4 or 5) and I have more than enough money for everything I want

    • @yuridc1780
      @yuridc1780 2 года назад

      And you can also get monkey banks also giving you more than you wanted and cost cheaper!
      Well farms are just win-win!

  • @wegodis
    @wegodis 2 года назад +1

    I go bottom path with middle because u can stackThe 0-0-4 boats with it and the 0-2-3/0-2-4 Is better than the 2-0-3/2-0-4 (if u have the correct suport MK). Also u generate lives (1 or3 if u have either 0-0-3 or 0-0-4).

  • @gr1m720
    @gr1m720 2 года назад +3

    Wish Benjamin had some way to affect other farms as it only affects banks

  • @Noa-gl3pg
    @Noa-gl3pg 3 года назад

    Thanks for the short but clear video

  • @FranXiT
    @FranXiT 3 года назад +14

    Can you make a guide on how to use the deposit knowledge on 240 banana farms? Thanks in advance

    • @KogasaTatara514
      @KogasaTatara514 3 года назад +2

      I remember seeing something about this, one deposit is the most efficient.

  • @everythingpizzaandknuckles6268
    @everythingpizzaandknuckles6268 23 дня назад

    It's also worth noting that Benjamin buffs banks, and that Marketplace buffs merchantmen

  • @matanhazan-fuchs1456
    @matanhazan-fuchs1456 3 года назад +6

    Still, wouldn't it be more effective to get a plantation, since you can use the money you get from it to immediately invest in new banana farms and earn more money, where as you need to wait for your bank to fill up before being able to invest that in new banana farms?

    • @Hbomb
      @Hbomb  3 года назад +8

      It takes 12 rounds for the bank to fully fill up to $9,500. If you take 12 rounds of a 3-2-0 it would give you $4,992. Which would get you another farm, but it would be such a low level that there's no way it would make up the $4,508 difference in time

  • @ozozo12345
    @ozozo12345 2 года назад +8

    And people say I'm stupid for bringing Ben and Bank Spam. Who's laughing now

  • @nicholasy335
    @nicholasy335 Год назад +1

    I always use bottom path banana farm because banks just aren't good late game, the bottom path just gives you consistent money automatically, and if you have monkey knowledge it gives you lives.

  • @kevinzhangatang
    @kevinzhangatang 2 года назад +4

    Is getting IMF loan and depositing generats more money per round than spending the same on other farms?
    Would buying banks, then selling for BRF be better than going top path into BRF? If not, what about under favored trades?

    • @wise5526
      @wise5526 2 года назад +1

      Good question. I personally hate IMF , bad deal in my opinion, but i didn't check the numbers, hope someone did and give us a precise answer.

    • @YerryXander
      @YerryXander 2 года назад

      deposting does make more money and is worth it, i dont know about taking loans and getting more banks up though, would need to test it out

  • @cosmic7481
    @cosmic7481 3 года назад +2

    My best path is bottom path. It’s more of preference but I just think it makes more money overall with the tier 4 or 5 with valuable bananas

    • @bm-zy3gv
      @bm-zy3gv 2 года назад

      4-2-0 makes way more money than 0-2-4, try it out on sandbox mode

  • @bradb2386
    @bradb2386 2 года назад +4

    Answer is none of the above. Sniper monkey can make more money than even the bank with his drops. And while you invest more into him than a single farm a 250 sniper can completely carry almost everything till round 80 with a bit of support which makes him insanely efficient. Give him an alchemist and jungle drums and then support with some moab focused damage and you can go full greed into the 80s.

  • @alfonsoinigoa.jimenez7365
    @alfonsoinigoa.jimenez7365 2 года назад

    So basically if you're playing in a normal run, use 2-3-0 (2 top upgrade, 3 middle upgrade, 0 bottom upgrade)
    And if you want tons of *-drug-* monkey money use 0-5-0 (0 top upgrade, 5 middle upgrade, 0 bottom upgrade)

  • @shaneliralaliag5065
    @shaneliralaliag5065 3 года назад +3

    Can you also compare the boat farm, banana farm, elite sniper drop crate and support chinook crate? Awieee.

    • @Hbomb
      @Hbomb  3 года назад +2

      Sure!

    • @rafam5853
      @rafam5853 3 года назад +1

      X-4-X sniper's income is pathetic

    • @Harrisongarrison0800
      @Harrisongarrison0800 3 года назад

      @@rafam5853 it’s like 2 t3 farms not that pathetic

  • @everythingtrees5767
    @everythingtrees5767 Год назад +1

    If you go 0,2,5 is the best way for the long run it gives you a colossal income and generates lives each round plus it collect bananas that are in it's range put a monkey village next to it upgraded to 2,0,4 and watch your money rise up

  • @nicolasj6745
    @nicolasj6745 Год назад +3

    Something to mention for banana-farms:
    500 and 005 depends on rounds.
    050 depends on time (cooldown)
    I have rounds where I throw some balloons multiple times back to entrance and get 2 or 3 times per Round the 050 spell (20-30k).
    Additional to own generation in tje bank, normal bank multiplier at end of the round and benjamin bank hack

  • @CowWow
    @CowWow 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for this episode of monkey economics

  • @mefistowski5292
    @mefistowski5292 3 года назад +3

    It is actually pretty informative thanks
    ps. and they say money doesn't grow on trees

    • @Hbomb
      @Hbomb  3 года назад +1

      Lol, ty

  • @dashingclasher
    @dashingclasher 2 года назад

    For Bloonarius I do the ~10 Marketplace into 2-farm Miniop to 10 Farm Megaop.

  • @zachary5579
    @zachary5579 3 года назад +5

    And banks stack on each other making them stronger

    • @Sean-vf7bd
      @Sean-vf7bd 3 года назад +3

      Yeah, I always did that with Benjamin. I would rush a Ben and a bank ASAP to get it together fast. All the money I collect goes to buy another bank and it just grows exponentially.

  • @CarmenLC
    @CarmenLC 2 года назад

    lives are actually pretty important in odysseys early game cos Continueing with only refill ur CURRENT island's lives

  • @TROVE2
    @TROVE2 2 года назад +13

    Top path in late game = unlimeted money
    Mid path = suffer in late game
    Bot path is only useful in bloonnaris but if you use it in a normal game = 9000 dollers each round or 19367
    So for maps like meadow firing range and some maps like that top path Haunted banks

  • @idkni-2233
    @idkni-2233 2 года назад +2

    Before learning about the power of farms, I always skip em' ahead. Was doing good... Until bosses came. After trying about 10 times and failing, I decided to use farms, and shit, thing's powerful.

  • @Shyguymask
    @Shyguymask 3 года назад +10

    Druid

  • @oofanatorer
    @oofanatorer 3 года назад +1

    Another thing you should know
    The top path is good overall and give the most money
    The middle path is the cheapest for getting the maximum profit
    The bottom path is VERY GOOD in map that have plenty of places for water tower then go with 004 buccaneer and 024 farm when you have 10 004 buccaneer and 20 024 farm then you would make around 30k per round which is a lot and can be comparable to 520 farm

    • @estolee5485
      @estolee5485 3 года назад

      Wtf? 20 025 farms?

    • @oofanatorer
      @oofanatorer 3 года назад

      @@estolee5485 it mean 20 farm

    • @estolee5485
      @estolee5485 3 года назад

      @@oofanatorer Ok bud, let me just go ahead and buy 20 5th tier farms my next game. Makes total sense.

    • @oofanatorer
      @oofanatorer 3 года назад

      @@estolee5485 alr i changed it

  • @SefinFPS
    @SefinFPS 2 года назад +3

    What what about the variable that is the money made live from farms compared to the banks delayed pay. Earning money earlier = more money to spend towards income generation earlier = more money overall. I'm interested on whether this variable is large enough to overrule the bank's higher average money/round.

    • @Fajowski50
      @Fajowski50 2 года назад

      i dont know for sure but i think the banks will increase exponentially over time making them more valuable

    • @yuridc1780
      @yuridc1780 2 года назад

      You will need more money to build those farm combinations just to equally generate the same amount of the banks, so using the banks is just cheaper to make to generate same amounts of money

  • @insertuncreativenamehere
    @insertuncreativenamehere Год назад

    I just realized that I saw your bank was named "The Federal Reserve" and I love it.

  • @kienpsycho324
    @kienpsycho324 3 месяца назад +3

    how can you make them auto collect the bananas?

    • @kelu217
      @kelu217 2 месяца назад

      it wasn't auto collecting, he was just hovering his mouse in the middle of them.

    • @KnotSacred
      @KnotSacred 2 месяца назад

      bottom path auto collects, the farmer power up will collect also

  • @con5532
    @con5532 2 года назад

    The main problem with banks is that it relys on how much money you’re making on popping Bloons, and in free play it falls off a ton. So In free play get a market place n such

  • @gawdlyinhale4203
    @gawdlyinhale4203 2 года назад +12

    2-0-3 costs less, and is more effiecient than 3-2-0 and 0-2-3 just btw, especially since the latest update where they made the faster bananas actually apply to the marketplace correctly, it did not before, so now the 2-0-3 is the hands down best farm in the game, no if's ands or butts about it.. go test it yourself, i beat elite bloonarius like its a little child with my farming method ;P

    • @gawdlyinhale4203
      @gawdlyinhale4203 2 года назад +1

      also i have thoroughly tested the farms, and it still seems that 2-0-3 2-0-4 with monkyopolis gives more money than 4-2-0

    • @brandondriver99
      @brandondriver99 2 года назад

      Is that true even if I have monkey knowledge

  • @TopTierGamerMan
    @TopTierGamerMan Год назад

    “ you should stop at tier 3 since anything else is overkill.
    Me playing bloonarius with a 11 farm monkeyopolis, banana central, 29 brfs, and 50 favored trades and a trade empire on round 75: Gotcha.

  • @Jason-re4dw
    @Jason-re4dw 2 года назад +7

    I'm a fan of 8 3.2.0 farms with as many druid of the jungles as I can fit.(bout 4 depending on the map cos druid is chonky and farmer is too useful. )

    • @minorcomet282
      @minorcomet282 2 года назад +2

      8 BRFs!?! That's a crap ton of money, but im sure you'll never need that amount unless you're doing a boss or something

    • @Jason-re4dw
      @Jason-re4dw 2 года назад

      @@minorcomet282 Yep or for expensive towers in coop.

  • @lasagna6133
    @lasagna6133 Год назад

    On impoppable i ussually go for a 2-0-0 banana farm to a 2-2-0 to 5 or 7 2-2-0, the i upgrade one to a 2-3-0 and keep upgrading the others while keeping the number of 2-2-0 banana farms as the same ( for each bank i upgrade inget another 2-2-0) and when the first one is full i take the money and with that i can ussually upgrade all of the farms i have to 2-3-0, i constantly check on the first bank i placed and i keep placing them, with the money i get once they're full i upgrade my defenses and then i use whatever's legt to add more 2-3-0 banks, i stop buying banks at round 80 and for round 100 i usually have a 5-0-2 boomerang, a 5-2-0 glue gunner and a flying foretress with a specter