Why The Internet Archive Is In Danger Right Now...
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2024
- Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time we revisit the infamous lawsuit between the Internet Archive against various book publishers that threatens the preservation of the biggest archive of the Internet. While this is the complete fault of the Internet Archive, their continued appeals don't look to beneifical for fair use and preservation if they keep up the uphill battle against large publishers. Thanks for watching!
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We gotta archive the archive now
the most practical solution
The internet archive archive
@@v1ncefan64 then we need to archive that archive.
We got an archive to archive, but how
oh god that sounds stupid but you've got a point
This is the equivalent of the burning of the library of Alexandria
😂
Genuinely worse than that
witnessing a comment before it blow up
Which time?
💀
Erasing Human history should be considered to be one of the worst crimes possible.
crimes against humanity
real shit
i mean to be fair US government has been doing that for a while now or at least book publishers of history. next thing you know they'll dumb it down to toddler levels, its going to go from "they were enslaved against their will and put in poor working and living conditions" to "they asked them to come on a trip to help them with their work, but weeks turned into years without a word back home. How sad."
Our history has been erased and reset multiple times, with only fragments and myths remaining to give us clue of what once was. It will happen again. Our current civilisation will end up as the next Atlantis.
@@EgoChip
I’m from the future, we’re the last civilization
So internet archive decides to distribute copyrighted books for students around the world during one of humanities most recent crises and they’re in the wrong. What a messed up world.
The world did nothing wrong. It’s the people that fucked it up
Capitalism bb
@@younited8959no its not capitalism it people just wanting to protect their property your not entitled to other peoples property
Of course they are. Its not their books.
As a former tech engineering student, many of the books are priced awfully. Where i live, they can cost hundreds of Euros. Students don't have a lot of money. it's commercial extortion.
But at least our universities are free for state citizen.
Bro we can't have shit in 2024
you will have nothing and you will like it
facts
Isn't that communism?
@@TherealToppo No. After decades of anti-communist propaganda it's quite ironic how it was capitalism that eventually embraced the phrase "you will own nothing and be happy."
Are you enjoying your free trial of socialism?
Remember: Piracy is a perfectly moral practice when companies act like this
Nice Tomoko pfp
It always was.
Even if they didn't.
@@cajampa depends, say in gaming context. huge companies: quite alright.
indie devs: nuh-uhh
@@IanIanIIIfor indie's aswell if you enjoy the game and want to support the dev
@@IanIanIII Don't care, never did and never will. I haven't paid for a single piece of media in decades and I never will. I use my money for things I can't get for free. I could not care less if I copy something I would not pay for anyway.
I’m getting fed up with copyright. As an artist I’d rather have people pirate or copy my work than for my work to potentially be forced to be lost media forever.
(At the very least copyright law should be less vague and not written in a way that allows for abuse. The Fair use act is also purposefully vague, and it should be full on law.)
(This was stating what I’d rather have happen. Preferably we’d live in a better world altogether where everyone can trust everyone else, but as of now Copyrighy is just an excuse for companies to be dicks, even to fan artists.)
okay so no more revenue for you. pls make all your work for free. put your money and time where your mouth is.
@@xZeroGrxvity I’d rather have everything i’ve made last into the future rather than becoming forgotten in my short lifetime.
Also that’s not how commissions work. You get paid to make the art from nothing, you don’t sell the art to the highest bidder, that one’s only for tax evasion.
@@Mortomi so books, movies and videogames are not art and sold on a market?
Only your example holds up, because commissions aren't sold on a market and only sometimes they are publicly visible.
There is a huge difference between different kinds of work/art.
You can do what ever just don't steal others work. Thats all I'm saying. Don't infringe on other peoples right and livelihoods.
@@xZeroGrxvity The thing is, that whatever I purchased from someone, something, or somewhere, I know have a right on moral terms to keep that "copy" or thing I have bought. That's pretty much the basics of marketing. You sell me something, I want it & pay you for it, so that I also have it. The problem is that companies these are trying to TAKE AWAY THAT CODE AWAY FROM US CONSUMERS AND PRACTICALLY SELL US NOTHING, FOR US, THE WRITERS, AND ETC. I hope in the future, I will have enough resources to purchase every song from every artist I liked, Every tech I enjoy, every TV show I watched, etc. Companies are making terrible business practices ATM and if they can't see that or improve, well, they just lost another (yes, ik that most of what we buy is from big corps) customer.
@@xZeroGrxvity
Bad faith argument
Fuck corporate copyright
Copyright laws are absolute cancer on real human culture. People copied, riffed on, been "inspired" by every single human work since history began. Culture LITERALLY wouldn't exist without all these things being available and possible to do.
It's all just beyond fucked.
Why are people pro-copyright laws when talking about AI though?
Disney is a stickler about copyright on their old animated films, when they were based on previous stories. They were perfectly fine with those stories not being copyrightes.
The internet archive has been under constant attack from: Book publishers, music publishers, game publishers, controversial figures who don't want their things documented, and a lot of governments. If that doesn't tell you that it's a necessity I don't know what would
So... I guess you don't know what would, haha.
I mean, all you said is "A bunch of people hate the site, that's why it's important!"
@@RippahRooJizahBecause all of those groups would profit not having that info out in the public and easily available.
@@RippahRooJizahI remember seeing you talking about how you don't like misinformation, so I'm guessing you don't like disinformation either.
Allowing this to be dismantled would be one of the largest implementation of disinfo and censorship in history. This would be the modern version of Pablo Escobar burning down the government offices where his evidence of wrongdoing was kept but with much more repercussions.
@@Lobsterwithinternet I mean, if it was just a case of airing out the dirty laundry of all those things mentioned, that would be one thing. But it isn't *just* that.
@@RippahRooJizah It's never ‘just’ anything.
There are always many reasons, both good and bad, that people do things.
What we need to do is what side of the pendulum we wish to be on and by how much.
Archiving and historical importance should automatically be fair dealing/fair use.
I get that point but only if it wasn't public facing sign meaning that you couldn't see all the archives you know like you could upload to the archives but you couldn't exactly see what you uploaded like it's kept in a vault somewhere but just download what you uploaded doesn't sound I mean if it's if it's local and it's private maybe it's on display maybe you go to the internet archive in person maybe
I get that point but only if it wasn't public facing sign meaning that you couldn't see all the archives you know like you could upload to the archives but you couldn't exactly see what you uploaded like it's kept in a vault somewhere but just download what you uploaded doesn't sound I mean if it's if it's local and it's private maybe it's on display maybe you go to the internet archive in person maybe
@@joshallen128i really like that idea. Once the copyright expires it becomes available.
@@rekit7351 so long it's like it's closed or walled of. Better to invest in either public domain or free works like those under libre licenses or libre source licenses
@@rekit7351like Project Gutenberg?
The Internet Archive is an invaluable resource. While copyright laws must be respected, it is essential to protect and preserve the vast wealth of information it hosts. The lawsuits could be catastrophic for the maintenance of our internet history.
Websites like "The Internet Archive" and "Liveleak" damage a corporations/governments ability to manipulate you, because you can look it up.
If they gang up again to trap the creator in another embassy I'm inclined to actually agree with John McAfee, and that's crazy considering he's a coke snorting crypto lord.
All that is happenings is a perfect example of why copyright laws must be completely abolished. When in its quest to increase profits for some companies it hurts research, development and historical preservation, they are not fit for purpose.
copyright laws do NOT need to be respected
Copyright laws need to be reformed and updated to be respected.
Why would I respect copyright law if it doesn't respect me? It's never wrong to break corrupt laws or they will never change.
My God, this future of no physical media and the possibility not having access to stuff absolutely sucks. That's an understatement.
Stop this train, I want to get off.
It's always the WEF
I want to use the piracy argument but it doesn't work for IA.
Eliminating physical media and adding digital media was a massive mistake.
This is literally 1984.
We chose this reality ourselves. Physical media doesn't sell, digital downloads are all the rage. People want everything NOW, even if it means they don't really own anything at all.
I swear, attacking the Internet Archive should be illegal...
Attacking internet archive is like attacking a library for leasing out books and dvds for free through a library card. I’m pretty sure libraries don’t pay royalties for the stuff they lease out.
@@DrawinskyMoon True!
@@DrawinskyMoon They buy the book legally and are allowed that one book. You don't have to place a hold or give back things you get on the Archive and is therefore copyright infringement. If they bought a copy for everybody who wanted to download that piece of media off the archive then it would be legal- but otherwise, nope.
@@idontfuckinknowdudeEven with digital books, libraries can only lend out to as many users as they bought licenses
Shutting down the Internet archive would be the equivalent of burning down the Library of Alexandria.
I feel like organizations like Internet Archive should be exempt from getting endangered like this. Leave the media preservers alone!
THIS!! this needs to be the standard!
@@komidanohitouko maybe they should move their servers to where the pirate bay is located
@@user-uo8ny1kj4c I'm pretty sure pirate bay works only because they don't actually store any information, it's all on the users' drives
@@komidanohitouko Eh, this is a delicate issue.
This sucks, really, but for every good thing there's going to be a bunch of people trying to take unfair advantage of it.
If IA is exempt, what for? What is stopping piracy sites from claiming the same thing, that they should be exempt? What's stopping someone else uploading stuff to IA because piracy there is totally legal? Then you get into a bunch of work and law and money at this moment I doubt anything can come from that.
In other words, this shouldn't be "the standard", as it will lead more more cases of "This is why we can't have nice things".
@@RippahRooJizah bro is the type of guy to say water is not a human right cause corporations deserve to profit.
A prime example of piracy is stealing a form of personal or intellectual property without paying a fee to the organization that owns the idea.
Downloading old games IS NOT piracy. It is no longer generating revenue for the company's involved in the production of those games, and as such is considered Abandonware.
I'm all for supporting developers. But keeping gaming history alive is just as important.
If these files are erased, the hard work of all the defunct studios will be lost forever.
Slavery was legal, so was marital r-word. The law is not infallible or ethical 100% of the time. We need to progress it.
Somebody better Archive internet Archive
They can't. It's the largest non-commercial store of data on the planet.
@@thewhitefalcon8539it- it's a joke...
This but unitonically
If I had enough storage trust me I would archive internet archive
they need to send their servers to the nederlands
Preserving human history is far more important than corporate ownership of media. When will we embrace this!?
When the corporates are put in their place
Extinction
Water is not a human right. Remember that when you question what's "legal."
When we’re all Communists.
@@takodacorliss5838 *equally shared suffering
Always keep this at heart:
> All Artist have Moral Rights
> Fuck those Corporate Copyrights
just cusually heading towards dystopia and no one is actually reacting... love this, thanks muta for covering these things
If the internet archive is down, that's the end of the Information Age...
We started the Disinformation Age a few years ago.
Age of digital censorship.
The age of totalitarianism
@@thewhitefalcon8539 The fall of Rome didn't happen in a day.
@@DrFumiya Age of warfare, I'd say.
The backlash could be devastating.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
~Ash Ketchum
What??????
1984 moment
One of the wittiest paragraphs from George Orwell's "1984" book. Love it.
@@AzureGreatheart What?, you've never read Digimon:A Cautionary tale, where protagonist Ash Ketchup quotes the above? Released in 28321 by HogWarts Publishing.
@@AzureGreatheart you don't remember that one episode of pokemon where the showrunners said "fuck it" and decided to teach kids the importance of preserving history in its unaltered form, and to beware of the institutions that seek to revise it?
fake fan...
As many people have said before, when it comes to digital assets, if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. I'd go a step further and say that if buying isn't owning, then copying isn't piracy. The real thrust of "buying isn't owning" is one of rightholders refusing to recognise our property rights in the things we buy from them. If they won't recognise their customers' property rights, then I see no reason to recognise their property rights in the things people copy.
It's worth remembering that some jurisdictions enshrine the rights of libraries to exist. For example, in UK law, local authorities have an obligation to maintain a system of public libraries. UK copyright law enumerates a specific list of seven acts protected by copyright, which includes lending, but also creates a more-or-less absolute exemption for qualifying libraries, which would be all public libraries, all academic libraries, and many independent libraries. Current thinking is that, _provided the controls are maintained_, CDL is very likely to fall within those exemptions. In the US, the states presumably have the power (by virtue of the Tenth Amendment) to create a similar right for libraries in their jurisdiction (assuming they're not too busy trying to limit what books those libraries are allowed to hold). CDL in general seems like it would be quintessential fair use, again _provided the controls are maintained_ (which it seems IA were possibly not doing). For public libraries, the action is not commercial in nature, and by withdrawing the physical copy to lend the digital twin, there is no market usurpation, other than possibly that someone who might have borrowed the physical copy will borrow the digital twin instead, but that is a matter for the library, not the publisher. Nobody is borrowing a digital twin in place of buying a physical book.
It's also worth remembering that, regardless of what the law actually says, the ESA response in the rulemaking about games preservation makes it abundantly clear that the entire copyright industry is not engaging in good faith. Their position is simply "just no". Unlike the farmer in Narita who just wants to keep his land, these companies are not simply protecting their own rights, or defending the ability of people who create to make a living. They're rent-seeking wannabe-monopolists, and therefore "just no" cannot stand.
Copyright law really needs a major overhaul - first it got disfigured beyond recognition by the Disney legal team (there's no reason for it to extend to 100+ years ) and now it affects everything.
If (big IF) there are historians present to look back on the “Information Age”, they’ll be shocked at the lack of artifacts compared to other eras. They will never know the incessant greed and selfishness that led to our self-erasure from the fossil record.
Bruh... That's so true.
It's like they seriously want humanity's digital history to be shot in the in the brain cause that's where every information and memory of you is stored if you damn delete the internet archive is like sniping your own life out
They will probably come to the conclusion that having too much information meant there was no way to comprehend of even store it all somewhere
It's like the equivalent to sniping your own life and history whenever is digital or physical from the books
I guess that's why some things just deserve to unexist
Corporations hate preservation and will go to war to prevent it. Makes me proud to pirate, i will be getting new backup hard drives, flash drives, sd cards, etc, and backing things up many times.
hello fellow archivist
i archive too (maybe why my storage is always full as i try to clean it up)
FOSS is pretty good too lmao (Arch Linux enfusiest (its endeavouros, which is based from arch linux))
sometimes i even grab old sites from web archive and some other stuff, just incase web archive falls one day
so i've got a question, wanna be friends? maybe we can share tips, and maybe we can share archives together :)
Usb ports are so cheap and fit so much, for important files I basically keep multiple at a time with the same stuff on all. One in a safe place, one where I can regularly use it, and one in my bag. 6 years of pics of family, pet, travel, and important documents in my palm. People underappreciate technology.
same, i always go out of my way to find a free copy of something i want if possible
@@aff77141 hard drives last longer than nand flash. but for the sake of preservation, tape storage is actually the best
They aren't going to war against preservation, they are going to war against piracy, and preservation is getting caught in the crossfire.
Preservation means having access to it for free, and companies hate the concept of freedom.
Companies hate the concept of not getting money for every little thing they do, even if that thing was 20 years ago and isn't relevant at all anymore
And this is why I hate greedy corporations.
Preservation in no way means free access lol. When an art conservator preserves an old Masters painting for a private collection, you have no rights to access that art. When a museum preserves artifacts, you still gotta pay an entrance fee. There's no such thing as a free lunch, never has been.
@@theKashConnoisseur Arguable. If people fish, hunt, and garden using various means, it qualifies as free, unless we're factoring effort and time.
Also with the Internet at our disposal, it's technically free since it wouldn't take much effort to simply look up an image of certain artifacts and paintings, granted some would rather see the genuine article.
@@supersonicmario56 Time and effort are the only things of real value. Currency is just a fiat for time and effort. You also pay for internet access.
We must destroy copyright .it's a threat to archiveing
agreed. copyright laws should go back to how they were 100 years ago, where i'm pretty sure copyright would only last around 14-20 years after its publication. i hope a huge revolt happens where they're actively forced to change it back and keep it that way. this is ridiculous.
Call it copywrong, because that's just what it is
@@kaden-sd6vb 🤣🤣🤣
to be fair it makes sense to have copyright laws in place its just a shame that companies will abuse the law to ruin it for everyone. like taking out an old classic game cause a remake is in its place shouldn't be allowed to enforce copyright given the old game is delisted and no longer able to be purchased therefore the company isnt losing money when that content is pirated or for the sake of the internet, archived.
Book publishers while i get why they were mad about it should of had an understanding given the time the content was uploaded. I do feel the copyright laws need some tweaking to make sure it can protect recent content (within the last decade) while still allowing proper fair use.
@@jermfanaccount you can blame disney for extending the copyright length. yeah it was about 14-20 years before the copyright had to be resubmitted, nowadays even abandonedware is still covered and companies will become so goddamn petty about it
The funny thing is, these are the very same publishers who charge hundreds if not thousands of dollars for college textbooks. And they release "new" versions every other year, to prevent you from buying secondhand books.
dont forget that the "new" version has little to no difference from the previous version.
Of course there's nothing new about it that's why I dig my books out of the trash can when they throw them away I'm not spending $1,000 for a book 😂
it get's scummier than that, as an text book reseller these companies will lie and say that the used copies you are selling on amazon are fake pirate copies so people have no option but to buy new full price. Peirson is one of the worst offenders of this behavior
And it's also the most dirty way keep their IP from entering public domain, even if the original writers/creators has passed away more than a century ago
@@MegaOS_Ver_NEET True, but the questions or exercise section might be different per edition. And some of them come with a digital code that can be used once which have extra stuff like assignments etc.
They literally have ancient trade publications on there that can't be found anywhere else and have been essential for research on a book I have been researching for years. Our system is a complete disgrace.
I am so curious about this book you’ve been researching now. Don’t leave us hanging.
Better to download it as a PDF, theres been countless free books ive downloaded for later use
Could you not find them on Project Gutenberg if they’re ancient?
Download that shit immediately
@@j00500hall i think he is using the term ironically and is probably talking about stuff from the 80s
Please don't spread misinformation. The Internet Archive has a DMCA exemption to host software from obsolete formats which includes video games. They are not violating copyright law by hosting old games. The stuff you are saying about books is also inaccurate. The Internet Archive made an agreement to host books for various libraries. They were not distributing books for free but acting as a intermediary for libraries.
Hopefully this comment gets more upvotes
It depends on the game/media and your country. Also the DMCA exemption is something that needs to be renewed consistently.
Modern copyright laws continue to get in the way of the preservation of information. If this dose not tell you that we need a reform I don't know what will.🤦♂
Can’t believe companies have just evolved into idiots nowadays that think that they are the center of everything.
Internet Archive needs to mirror its entire site in another country. One that has far better digital preservation rights. I'm surprised IA has existed this long in the US
Better yet, turn in into a decentralized project so WE have control of the data and no corporations can do SHIT about it.
The fact of the matter is, this isn't just about archiving; it's about control. I can almost guarantee that the lawsuit involving the Internet Archive is being funded on multiple levels-not just by libraries or publishers, but also by big government, big business, and certainly big media. They all want the publishers to win because if they do, it sets a precedent for shutting down the Internet Archive altogether.
What's so dangerous about the Internet Archive? Well, they have a comprehensive history of almost everything they can get their hands on-website changes, tweets, posts, news articles, game updates, you name it. Having a copy of all these changes is dangerous because it serves as proof. Imagine trying to control a narrative or shape society, and suddenly, there's proof that something changed. For instance, you want to claim that a certain drug caused a certain number of deaths one year, but then you update the records to show no deaths the next year. Internet Archive has the proof of the original claim.
Whether it's altering a movie, video game, software, or news article, changing anything becomes risky if the Internet Archive has a copy, serving as evidence that you altered it. That's why this entire court case is so crucial for corporations and governments to win. After all, control is the name of the game-if you control the information, you control the world.
You don't actually believe anything you've just written there do you? They exclude things for political purposes.
They are less useful than Wikipedia which itself is complete dog shit thanks to their moderation.
But at least you can learn those sites etc. exist even if 99% of what they say about it is complete nonsense.
On the internet archive they simply don't exist and they deserve to be shut down for it.
The internet archive themselves are already controlling what you see and deserve to be shut down for it.
Helped prove Fruit of the Loom had a cornucopia on the logo in the past. There’s records of it in the copyright.
@@HavianEla NO FUCKING WAY I SWORE IT HAD A CORNUCOPIA
@HavianEla I don't know what that is, but through a quick search, I got to see the 'new logo', which made me remember of a video on mandela effects. Now, that is a great example of why the archive is so damn important
Here's where I'm at - laws are not immutable. There are many instances of laws that were overturned because someone fought back against them and prevailed against the odds. The problem is that the vast majority of people do not have the resources to fight these cases, and the large corporations win almost by default (I'm looking at you Yuzu).
Maybe Internet Archive goes down because of this, but I do think it's worth fighting for this, and I don't know who else besides them could reasonably take this on. The fact is we need new legislation and new precedent to cover the new world we find ourselves in. Honestly - it's kind of crazy to think that because something has gone from a physical to digital object, many protections that previously existed (like the first sale doctrine) have basically gone away.
Stuff like The Crew shows that they are ready and willing to attack digital ownership as well as the WEF attacking Real Ownership
"We are the smartest species to exist."
*Goes on Twitter for only a few seconds*
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - Kay (Men in Black)
Corporations these days would see a person on the bus looking at the titles of the newspaper of the person in front of them and sue them for reading without buying. We were warned of this in the far past. Nobody believed it would happen.
Yes, we need some laws to limit the the corporations. Like give immunities to sites like the internet archive.
@@test-rj2vlwe need some laws to limit companies from...making sure people dont steal their property? Wtf...?
@Dramat1c_Irony that’s the thing. Digital media should not be treated like physical property. It’s ridiculous that this is still the case.
That's a great way to put it LMAO.
@@Dramat1c_Irony How people still don't understand the major differences between piracy and stealing is beyond me. Willful ignorance really is just another epidemic so many suffer from. Don't choke on that massive corporate co*k.
way back machine needs to be protected at all cost.
to be protected*
Yeah the wayback machine is too precious specially for websites I was never around to see
Then we need to get off the comments section and do some action?
can people not comment now? god damn
they need to stop advertising themselves as "FREE MUSIC, MOVIES, AND MORE!" this is why we cant have shit in detroit fr.
It's Alexandria Library tragedy all over again
Copyright is blight on freedom of information.
I like how the ones claiming to be hurt are NOT the authors (you know the ones that created the stuff and should be rewarded for it), but the publishers (the ones that did...er...f*** all ?).
They profited (very slightly) less. What a tragedy in a capitalist society.
A crap ton of authors will give you free access to their work for academic use too, so this is going to be going against what many authors want.
This is true, copyright started as a censorship system, and when the censorship stopped, the distributors lobbied to mentain control over information, so they came up with copyright, because they intuited that all the work that was going to be published was going to be signed off to a distributor, so they got to control the spread of information, while at the same time they came out and said that copyright is good for authors and made by them.
Here is an article link encoded in base 64, because youtube keeps on deleting the comment when I post the link. The article is a good summary of the history of copyright, and why it is a bad idea.
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In many cases publishers paid for that work. With things like advances they made it happen. If not the authors could just distribute these copies on their own site or something.
@@_EkarosThen maybe question the system where authors have to make deals with the devils to have a chance of privilege of doing it for a living (which usually isn't even dignified unless they themselves are like the sharks)
Its odd how sketchy streaming channels exist (123movies, wcostreams, kimcartoon, etc), but the internet archive is put up the chopping block. How does that work?
Those sites are likely hosted in countries that don't give a fuck about copyright
Because most of those sketchy websites are hosted in countries where copyright enforcement is pretty much nonexistent, unlike the US.
@@Thiago_Rodrigues30plus those sights are forever popping up regardless of how many times they get shutdown, they'll make another one and reupload said movies and etc over and over
those sketchy sites aren't hosted in the USA and aren't subject to their laws. Companies can try to go after them but it's not as easy since the hosts could be located in countries where copyright laws don't prohibit these sort of distributions.
@@kasuraga Yes, and this is exactly why Mega is not hosted in the US, so the FBI can't shut it down like they did with Mega Upload.
Support Internet Archive. Piracy in against huge companies like Garper a Collins isn't an option its mandatory.
We need more super archives like this.
after reading 1984, shit like this makes me really anxious
The Wayback machine allowed me to pull up my late father's employee profile from his last job.
It took me back in time to a great place for a while, I saved it all and now to hear this it hurts.
The Wayback machine is the future equivalent of finding that old photo stuck to the back of another in an album.
Archive the archive
This unironically works, try archive today or ghostarchive
copyright law across the board needs major revisions and even then, sites like this should be completely exempt. fuck the company's bottom line.
Copyright laws are how they are now because the government revisioned them. The early 2000’s the government told everyone that they will leave the internet alone as long as we don’t bother them and then we bothered them. I’ve said it many times and I’ll continue to say it, leave the government out of it. Once you get them involved they can easily turn a simple matter into a huge law that is against you.
@@Unchainedful they were revised when the internet was in it's infancy and things like streaming were just starting to take off. nobody was "bothered", shit just evolved.
@@Unchainedful I'm not sure about "exempt" since I can see that being horrifically abused, but if a company no longer offers/provides it, they should automatically forfeit their legal authority over it. If Nintendo (going with an example in the vid) refuses to release the original Super Mario Bros., people should be allowed to host it and Nintendo should have no power over it, because they no longer will themselves. Nintendo would still own the rights to Mario, Bowser, etc. so it would still be illegal to download the SMB ROM and start selling it. That sounds like a fair compromise to me.
Not now though. If the Biden admin (which just signed a law making it explicitly legal to spy on your without a warrant, when before, it was just a loophole) is going to do it, then it's basically guaranteed to favor the rich corporate abusers at the expense of liberal values and the "little guy". I'm not saying Trump would necessarily be more trustworthy with copyright reform, but regardless of who wins, it looks like it would be better to leave well enough alone for now. The Biden admin is terrified of real liberalism, and the internet archive is a very liberal thing (remember, I'm not using the American version of the word here) so they would be very likely to make copyright law way worse, while publicly claiming that it's an improvement.
@@Unchainedful You say they're not involved. But the government claimed to not be involved with Twitter, until it came out they were paying them 75 million dollars annually to censor people. You really trust our "totally loving and trustworthy" government to not be a part of the destruction of internet history? When they called the destruction of our cities, streets, businesses, and statues "peaceful protesting"? They are the last people you should ever trust, and if anything is happening that benefits them anywhere, you can safely bet everything you own that they're a part of it. Even if it's only as the puppeteer pulling strings.
I hate copyright law for the same reason I hate when artists/musicians private their work. Going to listen to a song or look at an art piece that you like only for it to be GONE is like having the creator walk up to you, punch you in the face, then walk away while giving you the middle finger. Hopefully the archive doesn't get erased, it's hard to think about how much history would go down with it...
still love the irony of nintendo using a rom site's roms at one point because they lost the original files.
Would love some more background on that
Won’t somebody think of the poor multibillion dollar publishing companies?!? How will their CEO’s afford new vacation homes if people are reading books for free?!?! I heard a few of them are still flying in 2022 model private jets… concerning.
But seriously, there has to be some kind of distributed way to host it. I’d happily volunteer a few TB of storage and bandwith in some kind of P2P system.
the archive sadly is so much more than TBs...
and as-is, it's abandundently clear at times their own network doesn't have close to the necesarry bandwidth
i'm sure the biggest reason that nobody has archived it in full is, that's kinda impossible...
also, becoming one of the distributors/hubs makes you a target. making personal backups is one thing, realtively unlike anything will happen. it's always when you share that they come knocking down the door.
@@ETXAlienRobot201 I know. I’m talking about a distributed P2P system where resources like processing power and storage are shared. I own my own servers (as do many other people) so I was saying I would volunteer as one node. Kind of like how torrenting or Tor works.
@@AmphetamineDream
still a big risk & expense... i wouldn't do this myself without several layers of proxy/VPN and preferably not living in the US...
you could always upload to sites known to be copyright/DMCA-unfriendly, too... but again, don't let the fascists find-out who/where you are.
Shutting down the Internet Archive is like shutting down the Library of Alexandria.
some one said that already you just re worded it
@@jockey101 gotta farm the likes though
@@jockey101 and you'll see a lot of other comments say the same thing because it's true and it's unbelievable we are still destroying our own history like this, and ALL OF IT, for fucking money of all things....
@@jockey101 To be fair you're talking to someone with a Minecraft Ripoff pfp
Know less, worship corporate profits more. That’s what they want.
Leaving a comment to boost the algorithm and a message: do not sit back, do whatever we can to preserve the archive, lest it become yet another library of Alexandria.
Copyright laws and companies that will use it to destroy any trace of their stuff's existance are the exact reason why I've been stocking up on eye patches and peg legs. ARGH, MATEY! 🏴☠️
The Wayback Machine is a crucial asset in researching topics and is one of my many sources for information. I seriously hope things work out to keep it alive.
Yeah I wish they back it up to like Wikipedia or something or wiki sites
@@joshallen128 You underestimate how much data is on Archive. That isn't just an amount that some other place could quickly gather their own copy of.
Dont wish or hope. Act and speak.
History repeats itself.
48 BC: Burning of library of Alexandria
2024: Internet Archive being shut down
Yeah but one was (presumably) caused by a general fleeing his enemies and accidentally burning it, while the other is caused by nothing but corporate greed.
Sadly, it slowly fell into disuse as the greek scholars left the area and there wasn't enough manpower/funding to hand copy every book every 50 years. It's pretty damp in Alexandria. The fire was a general thing in Alexandria, that's hinted at happening, but it wasn't large and probably decently long after the library wasn't anything like its former self, if it was still there.
@@skippychan1904 the burning of the library of Alexandria happened several times, but its notable that it was finally destroyed intentionally in the 600s by a deranged fanatic with a hatred for books (unlike previous events that were minor and accidental)
@@sophiamaiski5453 THEY EVEN HAVE A 4 IN THEM
@@sophiamaiski5453do you guys only know Alexandria they are far more important libraries with more books more important books that got destroyed by invaders mainly europeans and Muslims
"You will own nothing and be happy - not even your memories" - Klaus (WEF/UN)
When they refer to "banned books," I think they're referring to books on banned lists in certain public schools and libraries.
At specific points in history, as well.
We should all contact these publishers and tell them sternly we will boycott them if they do not drop charges.
They know we won't actually
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@@JustSomeWeirdo regarded bot detected
@@thewhitefalcon8539I really will.
@@JustSomeWeirdoNo, he's right. Most people don't give a shit and will buy from these companies regardless. The most boycotters will do is leave a scratch before realizing it's hopeless, and we ultimately go right back to where we started.
As someone that LOVES history.
I hate knowing there’s things that are lost forever… it genuinely makes me sad even if I’m not interested in a particular lost thing it’s still sad.
Rip historical records and literature.
@@DrFumiya Rip humanity
Thank you Muta for the videos you make for us, very important topics about the Future and the preservation of the internet!❤
Clearest example of the problems with the profit incentive and intellectual properties
Download, Backup, Pirate.
Preserve for future generations.
Based.
Greedy peoples are innovative, if we stop giving them what they want, then innovation will slow down or even stagnate
99% of all of the old iso files are considered abandonedware, in which it legally allows you to pirate it legally
No its still illegal.
Yeah
@@user-in8qh3zf9ddepends on the country, it is still illegal in the US
still illegal, in the USA at least.
@@dillon1012 yeah but you'll never get fined or arrested
This genuinely scares me as the IA was genuinely a life-saver for me as a student when I was looking for literature which wasn't available in the university library. As such, I rather despise the idea that future generations won't have the same backup sources that I did when needing references
This case again shows us, that we need solid and decent preservation laws written - meant for our digital era, not the situation we had 50 years ago.
Man this sucks. Companies would wipe the face of the earth of physical books if they could, so they could either sell us a new version or sell us a copy they can take away within a year.
WWII bad German man did the same when brought to power. The book burnings
@@HookersAndCokeliterally Fahrenheit 451.
@@kevinle1083 that's not good man.. not good.
Eventually the copyright laws will have to be reformed to allow for preservation of culture. Copyright can't be allowed to go for 70 years anymore, the internet goes much faster than that. A concession between commercial rights and human rights have to be made. Maybe things can only be commercially protected by copy-right for 10 years before they go to public domain.
Something has to change, meanwhile the good people at the Internet Archive will probably have to go underground, or move the operations to a safe place that's neutral to the copy-right laws, there's no other way, they painted a huge target on their heads.
That's what it is about : human rights, the right of every single human to know about the past of the species, regardless of what a single group or corporation think of it.
You are right, but it might not happen soon, but the best we can do is lobby the goverment as much as we can then get them to change it.
i hope someday the Copyright law is rewritten for the better, cause at the moment it feels like a Anti Consumer law Protecting and being abused by Rich Companies for their own Malicious Acts
The government already refined the laws, which is why we now have DMCA. Having the government, which is easily manipulated by greed, make the final decision of what you can and can’t do is not the smart choice. Who’s going to win the government over? We the people who want honesty and fair right but have barely any money to offer them? Or will it be the corporations that wants anything and everything in their control for profit regardless if it is fair or not, which also have billions of dollars to throw at the government to enhance their decision.
@@Unchainedfulthe DMCA is terrible. Needs to be amended, at best, repealed. The fact that it was approved *unanimously* by both segments of congress should be have been a glaring red flag. When was the last time congress was united on anything?
70 years is a generation
We need a version of the internet archive in a country that doesn’t give a damn about copyright or even western law.
Copyright ruins everything. Copyright was made for keeping that pocket full.
This is why we dont have flying cars, We rather destroy than create.
No, it's because they are physically impossible to make. Go to school kid.
@@MelodyIVFlying cars are not impossible, they're improbable. There's a difference buddy.
@@MelodyIV True, nothing can fly except birds. That's why we don't have planes.
@@darthtrayus6066 You go ahead and find a way for a flat steel rectangle to float up effortlessly. You will never succeed.
Flying cars can be made, it would be an aviation nightmare. Everyone thinks it would be cool to fly over other cars, the problem is litterally everyone would have that same thought. Flying in the air is also not the same as driving down the street, we would need to update litterally every law with an aviation component to account for all the vehicles in the air. Flying and landing also takes a reasonable amount of space, there’s a reason we have full runways for planes to decend.
I went with my sister to print out a form at our local library and they literally had a “see something say something “ poster about banned books. To help protect the community. I asked if it was a joke or satire and was told it was not.
That's disturbing.
Rip down those posters everywhere you see them.
What books are even banned?
Dumb question, what does that mean? I'm sorry if this is a reference I'm not getting.
@@hozz I mean, in my country at least, stuff that literally go against the law will be banned for sure. Or at least thats what the paper said maybe.
Absolutely love Muda content, which is why I feel it really needs to be said, the overuse of ‘actual’ is getting more and more noticeable.
True but doesn't bother me personally, because I'm more concerned about the internet archive going down, the main focus. Listen to "Like, here's the episode on 'like' | STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW" podcast to understand why this doesn't bother me much as it used to.
I have to partially disagree with you Muta on the second part. Copyright law is beyond broken. It protects and favors big players, at the expense of the access to the information for usual people. Which is sometimes incredibly hard in impoverished or/and authoritarian countries. I get the point of the Internet Archive and while it'll be highly problematic to defend this position in the context of US legal field, that doesn't mean, that "law" is a magical word that always right, if the 'law' harming usual people, working folks, it needs to be challenged and laws can and should be changed, updated. Moreover in modern autocracies governments essentially uses "law" as a form of oppression. We have an enormous bulk of info online but somehow people can't get sometimes necessary and (mentally) lifesaving information. Basically, I'm here with people like Aaron Swartz and the Internet Archive. The Digital Millennium Copyright Act needs to be updated at least.
To quote Ross Scott: "There are no GOOD reasons, only LEGAL ones."
Bingo.
Since good and bad is quite subjective, it makes sense that we use laws to define proper behavior instead.
Internet Archive was literally what got me through highschool. I used it to bypass my school's filters to listen to music.
Ain't no way it's dying like this.
Pensacola Christian College blocks it. In my Web Design class, my instructor mentioned Internet Archive and how we could use it to look at how the college's websites have changed over the past 50 years. I was the only one who knew about it being blocked (due to me trying to do that before) and had to tell everyone about it. They were disappointed, not at me, but about it being blocked.
thats how i got all my music back in the day
My school has it blocked so that sucks
Informative video. Thank you! Just thought I would give feedback that it looks like your camera is constantly focus-seeking.
Copyright laws need to be revised or replaced.
It's archaic and causes more harm than good.
I wonder why anyone would want to get rid of an archive. Almost like burning a book. Can't be a certain group at all.
Unfortunately not that simple plenty of non specific ideological reasons (greed, lust, envy related stuff and scandals) for powerful entities to sabotage this.
Yeah, the jews
corporations: constantly show themselves to be only concerned with profit, to the point of destruction of life, ecology, our future. lie and get caught in said lies every day, have a profit motive to shut down an archive of technically-still-copyright material
people: but what if it's the group i don't like?
Corpos want to hide their shit.
The problem companies have is that…. If you can get their book for free on the Internet archive why would you buy a copy from them? and that’s a very valid concern since companies publish books to make money off of them, not as a charity.
This could not be a worse time since there's a huge effort to archive all of RoosterTeeth's content on the Internet Archive due to the company shutting down.
Don't worry they're going to upload rooster teeth stuff on Max for only 20 30/50 bucks a month haha get it
@@joshallen128 WBs already gonna be putting the final season of RvB behind a paywall, so I wouldn't be surprised
Even though I wouldn't have the full collection, RvB is top priority for me.......seeing as we'll never get a proper last hurrah for our heroes now..
@@Whiteknight-xg2pq you can blame WB for that
@@IkeFanBoy64can’t imagine many people will watch it to begin with
Man I can't wait for your video on Keffals.
I really like the Wayback Machine/Internet Archive, not just because it helped me several times to find old school stuff, but because it essentially it partially answers an important question: what happens with things that once existed on the internet, but cannot be hosted anymore and will disappear? How do we represent internet history and to at least a minimum level preserve or show people what was once hosted somewhere. From cultural heritage to actual legal necessities, how we "archive the internet" is a super important question.
And of course the Internet Archive can't do this by itself. For one, it can't possibly maintain cache of all websites/domains ever hosted. Multiple snapshots for major different versions are a necessity as well, driving up costs. Without any big corporations or governments stepping in, we are never going to succeed at archiving everything and also, the legal framework for it is... iffy. Because we have such things as the "right to be forgotten" and also the maximum limits of storing personal data and intellectual property/copyrights, we won't see perfect solutions unless in my opinion countries start aligning laws on internet data archiving and also work together to preserve it. As impressive as the Wayback Machine is, it is a rogue player involved with the subject that tries to pioneer this difficult subject but due to current legal restrictions in many governments around the world let alone its data management costs, it is currently a drop in the ocean and faces insurmountable high odds about its own continued existence.
Which leads me to the question behind the question of what to do with archiving the internet: when will we see politicians and lawmakers that actually pioneer important things for the digital age? Privacy laws, data management and archiving laws, laws on GDPR education; forcing paid single-purchase digital entertainment products such as games to always be available in singleplayer to prevent a bought product being removed if the servers hosting it are gone: you name it. Until people up in high places in governments start to realize the importance of digital entities and assets, the internet is one big cluster of attrition... which is quite a depressive outlook. The way humanity stores data, archives data and maintains data and all its related policies can look very different between now and 20 years if the right people start making the right decisions.
Its wild how often and hard we have to fight to keep basic shit that should be available to all.
It's because we never go on the offensive against the people and institutions who are making it unavailable, so they just try again after we stop them.
Capitalism for ya. If there is a buck to be made by offering you an inferior product you better bet your bottom dollar that they will do it
The way we're heading, by 2040 there will only one website on the Internet.
Or there won't be an internet...just Radroaches and gecko meat.
It's almost like that now, every time I run my port scanner all I see is Akamai Technologies. Yes I know they are a content distributor, but geez. All someone needs to do is hack Akamai and they could takedown half the damn internet (at least in the US).
wtf the Aquinas protocol
for sure or maybe a couple
Oy! Stop noticing!
Internet Archive shouldn't go down. Even though PCCi blocks it, I like to use it for research. Where else could you view the college's websites over the past 50 years, or where can you find your favorite 1970s and 1980s movies that were removed from streaming services and were never sold in the US?
I have definitely stumbled across links to copyrighted material on Internet Archive before and always wondered how these links managed to stay up, why the Internet Archive never kept its uploads clean, and how they didn't seem to be having any problems due to it. Well I guess I have my answer: they really are in trouble.
And that's not even including the whole book lending thing which I have heard about separately.
Also "digital copies" is a dumb term and any attempt to enforce artificial limitations around those lines always annoys me. Digital copies can be made infinitely for free, it's a fact. If companies want to encourage limits on copies of copyrighted material, one way they could is to make some aspect of their product uncopyable or hard to copy (think physical copies of games that include extras like physical maps, game manuals, figurines, etc), thus encouraging buyers to get one of THEIR copies and not free pirated ones. There are other ways to add value too, as services like Netflix and Steam have shown.
Quickly, archive the archive
What if someone takes it down though?
@@Scratchfan321 local
You have to go through and see what works are public domain in what works are under the creative Commons free licenses
@@erroroliver What if someone takes your local computer?
@@Scratchfan321 Back up compters, in many locations
oh my god mudhar. Using the wayback machine to get old drivers has made my job so much easier. I used to spend hours trying to find drivers on scetchy websites.. You know when customers drag in their 15-20 year old laptops/PC for a clean XP/7 install.. Finding all the drivers was a pain in my butt. But now with this genius idea, everything got so.much easier. Thanks a lot. Will leave a donation to the site.
They don’t need donations, they need you to write some letters to congress and to the publishers who are going after them, and to the courts involved here
@@ghost-user559they need both.
Nooooo you can't use old stuff! You gotta throw it in the landfill! Get a new computer, phone, everything every single year!!!! We can't care about things that the corpos aren't currently advertising! Nooooooo!
@@ghost-user559 The US corporate totalitarianism will destroy the achive eventually anyway. They will have no option but to move to a different country (which won't be cheap).
@@formbi Ironically that same US is the only reason why intellectual property is protected or exists in the modern era
If buying isnt owning.
Piracy isnt stealing.
I'm curious to know if companies (like Nintendo) would be willing to archive their own projects from their inception right up til present, even if it's behind a paywall. Hypothetically, they could charge a subscription fee or something for access to old content and make new revenue from old products. It'd obviously require consideration of the market for accessing old content vs. the cost of running it, but it would be pretty neat.
Bruh, I'm really so done with everything I love constantly being on the edge of extinction. F this nonsense fr.
I feel this.... deep . .
Sigh
Same
No kidding, from corn sites, internet archive, emulators, all things that would give people at least some freedom from the oligarchs are being under attack and I'm not sure what we can do since it's not like we can take up arms and shut the attackers down. They control everything and will likely shut us down before we even get a shot at organizing, on top of shutting down everything that they believe threatens them.
deadass, I don't want to live on this miserable fuckheap of a planet anymore...I just lost all my favorite LBP levels ffs
Why was I born into an era full of nothing but destruction and misery?
@@dcb99filmzYes!
"Banned Book" refers to books that are banned from public libraries around the world. Many countries and states will ban books that don't align with their beliefs, that is why the IA called out 1984 among others because it is one of the more banned books. It wouldn't surprise me if 1984 has been banned in multiple school districts or even general public libraries around the US
The US doesn't have many (any? I can't think of any, but don't want to make claims) banned books publicly. Schools and such will ban ones they deem inappropriate for children, but in the wild it's still not hard to get ahold of stuff like say the Anarchist Cookbook or Mein Kampf, among others _much_ more taboo than 1984. I know there are a few, Turner Diaries comes to mind, that are hard to get ahold of, but it's not since they are banned, more just publishers didn't want to touch it and not many copies were produced making them rare.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark that's fair that the US as a whole doesn't ban books, but there are many municipalities that have removed book deemed "inappropriate" from their public libraries, even if said books aren't necessarily inappropriate in any particular ways (see many banned queer books, which get banned specifically for being queer). And these are public libraries, not just school libraries
@@TheDuckmissile
my state is one of the ones as of late trying their damnedest to ban books. queer books ofc are their primary focus.
You really have to look at each book separately. Like one of the most notoriously banned queer book is Gender Queer, which has illustrated p*rn, and sharing that content with minors is a red flag of pdfs
Removing a book from a public library isn't a book ban. Can you still order the book off Amazon to deliver in your country? Yes? Then it's not fucking banned. This isn't Russia where they will throw you in a gulag for owning western propaganda.
Can't wait for your video on Keffals. About time someone calls this dude out...
If a platform has been abandon by its owners any software released on that platform is fair game and abandonware.
No force on this earth can stop everything.
I use the internet archive to watch movies I've never heard of before.
and old movies that aren't available anywhere else without using sketchy websites at best
2 girls 1...?
@@chiquita683They have a whole section of that on motherless
1 plate of a pie cut in half for both women to enjoy separately
@@chiquita683
lemon..
Meat.. feel free to add to the list.
Sand..
3 men 1...
We can't archive anything in Detroit
Research has shown that once more than 10 percent of your neighbors are Black, the value of your home declines. As the percentage of Black neighbors increases, the property’s value plummets even further
We can’t have anything in 2020 ~ 2024.
what does that have to do with anythig 💀@@4-Methylaminorex
@@4-Methylaminorexyou had to make it about race ?
@@PluPerfective I see you're one of them. Who let you out
This would suck if this gets taken away. Leaving a comment to help this go around the algorithm
I recently bought old DSLR camera. It came with old firmware that had known issue of random bootlooping and possibly bricking the device. The problem is that model is not supported by the manufacturer anymore and you cant find update files from manufacturers website anymore. Luckily I was able to grab the update via Internet Archieve. Stuff like this is why IA is so important to preserve.
Literally 1984, I'm actually being serious here.
In China maybe in the US someone will just mirror the site
I do think it's more similar to brave new world and such.
WTF, people should be protesting across the world about this
Uphill or not, this deserves to be fought against. I understand the media being referenced are actively being sold... But so are 99% of the books at my library now. Their excuse? Limited rentable copies. Again, I get licensing can be tricky but this is ridiculous.
I don't understand saying they shot themselves in the foot. The IA project is fundamentally incompatible with current US copyright law, and was only allowed to operate because they didn't make themselves an enforcement priority. They operate in extremely good faith; controlled digital lending seems like a viable model for new digital copyright laws, and could have been a great compromise, but it was never the law and the publishers never agreed to it. IA is essentially a clearnet shadow library based on the gamble that following the spirit of the law would let them operate openly enough to fundraise as a respectable institution. But whether they acknowledge it or not, shadow libraries are built on the understanding that what they're doing is illegal, and so structure themselves in ways that make them harder to shut down. Those projects will continue long into the future, but something like this was always bound to happen to IA.