Becoming Uncreated: The Theology of Deification
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Brother Trey you have wisdom and understanding that come only from The Lord. I pray for the advancement of your studies and the jewel of your humility that allows the Lord to give you your boldness in speech. Luke 12:49
I love this video, it makes me feel less alone in this world. When you gain spiritual knowledge in a spiritually bankrupt world it can make you feel really isolated. At the same time it’s open so many doors in my life. Any ways thank you for your enlightenment and knowledge, god bless you and keep you. Love from Ohio💛
I couldn't possibly imagine agreeing less with literally every facet of your ideology and philosophy.
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Longish, I have genuine questions. If you reply, please tell me what the orthodox church actually is, beyond saying "the true original church" because I no longer know what the words "orthodox church" refer to.
1. If there's no salvation outside the church, what is the definition of "the church" that we must be within? I mean specifically, stripped back to the essentials, what do you think is the bare minimum requirements for salvation?
I would say faith in Christ alone is sufficient, BUT that doesn't mean that theology is irrelevant, that preservation of the truth is worthless, that sacraments have no value, that asceticism is pointless, that the blood of martyrs was wasted. All these things are very precious. However, God is sovereign and knows all, so I am certain that He saves all who love Him and have faith in Him, even if they only know Him as The Truth.
Is your soul safer in communion with an orthodox church? Probably. Can most people access such? No.
God MUST have a most Perfect Loving and Just resolution to this, which is why Faith Alone in Christ must be sufficient for salvation.
Even studying as hard as possible, I am still unable to choose any affiliation with a church in pure conscience, because all have hypocrisy, and all have logical reasons that justify their theology.
I just pray God knows that my motivation is to align myself with Perfect Truth only, and I am avoiding what appears to be heresies of different kinds.
I honestly believe that Jesus Christ is The Truth, and that wholly giving yourself to The Truth, and conforming your whole being to The Truth, is the only sure way to God, because God is Truth, and thus I cannot be wrong with this intention. I may hold incorrect beliefs, but I ascent to the Truth, and that is the best I can do.
You must leave out the hypocrisy of its members as a strike against either Catholicism or Orthodoxy because both are made up of fallen human beings. If we were perfect, we wouldn’t need Christ. And why would logic be an obstacle? Isn’t God rational?
That aside, your search of perfection with a subjective mind won’t get you anywhere. You must realize that.
Those of us who believe that Christ truly came to establish a church on earth, know what our two choices there.
Your waffling is preventing you from entering communion with either, without which you can’t truly make progress towards holiness.
@@frisco61I have made The Truth my God, and His name is Jesus Christ, yet this is insufficient for you. I will pray 🙏
I want a video about the story of Saint Athanasius the Apostle, who was called the protector of the faith, and I want to know why some people call him a heretic even though he was the one who was fighting heretics, like Arius, for example.😊😊
@@telosbound thank you 😊😊😊
Energies are the participated acts of creatures, are the limitation of the one act/energy of God which is identical to his essence, his act/energy is to be God, that one act is made participated through limitations of that one act, giving "birth" to participated acts/energies. We must stop thinking of energies as a distinction ad intra in God, but the ad extra activity with his creation. Ad intra God's activity is only one, and only in relation to creation is that we have the notion of participation of created essences... A created essence is a limitation of the one energy/pure act of God and the act that allows that creature to "be" is via a limited participation in that one act, the one act/energy in which the creature is participating is one and the same (God), but due to the limited essence of the creature it can only participate in a limited manner in that one activity, that's why we have many activities/energies in created beings, but we don't have many activities in God. Palamite Fathers don't believe in a real distinction in God of essence energy, the real distinction only exists in the creature, God is one and supremely perfect (simple).
I am dipping my toes into Orthodoxy - can somebody tell me how deification is different than the Satan telling Adam and Eve "You shall be like God"? (Because they seem to be the same). Thanks.
You don't get into God's essance (what makes God being God), you take part in His love, light of truth, etc.
Being like God in the way He wants us to be like Him is different than how Satan wants us to be like God, e.g. one involves us joining the divine council communally, the other is about kicking God off the throne of our lives so we can get on it ourselves.
The serpent was subtle. He technically did not lie, but caused them to disobey God and doubt the truth. We shall become like God by obtaining more complete knowledge, but the part the serpent left out is most of the other authority and dominion that also most importantly made humans like God would be lost through foolishness. Thus, Adam and Eve were much more like God before the fall than after, but will become like God more fully in the fullness of time, just like they would have if they had not disobeyed to begin with, albeit with a lot more suffering. Ultimately, the devil just wanted to feel like he was greater than God, so he settled with making God's children his puppets since he could not overcome the Father Himself.
As Professor Father John Romanides said : the Holy synods are there to protect the hesyhastic spirit of the Scriptures 🛡️
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would this mean that we will become omniscient and allpowerful? Can we create things just as we want?
No. We can't become God. As for exactly how God-like we can become, who knows.
@@colmcille9669 alright thanks! But do the fathers indicate something? Or it just purely speculative?
We can`t commune with god in essance only in energy please don't get this wrong, you can't become God with a capital only a god
Yes, we participate directly in Divine aseity and Omniscience insofar as God Himself so chooses to grant us these gifts of Himself.
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Chill Mormon.@@einwd
So why does Christ say: "you are gods, sons of the most high"? He doesn't say you will become gods. How can something become that which it isn't already by nature?
@@johnnyd2383 How could man's actions change his nature? How could man ever be separate from God's Grace/energies?
Man's nature has never changed nor has man ever been separated from God. Both are ontological impossibilities.
@@johnnyd2383 I mean that man's actions could not have changed his nature into a "fallen" nature. Man's nature has never changed, nor God's relationship with man. Therefore, the incarnation resulted in no ontological change. None was necessary or possible.
That psalm has nothing to do with this.
The verse is just talking about how we are gods because we are God's children.
@@Danielqu976 And yet we read in John's gospel: "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"
We are all children of God. There is no ontological separation between God and man.
@@Aaron-xb4rq Jesus is quoting psalm. That verse is saying we are gods because we are God's children.
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Adam and Eve they both sinned, first with their action and then with their word, weak but not bad.
(Let's not forget that Adam chose to trust Eve in that delicate moment)
By opening a small door you can see those quotes from the Church Fathers either as a hammer of justice against wicked women or as a hard and difficult test of faith for pious women.
The woman is the second gift after the Garden, and it was man himself who crowned her (imagine a veil, a female symbol of dignity, royalty and then of sanctity).
With joy for God Adam tells Eve that through her man will be reborn and become immortal (Saint Joseph, Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ).
When they were kicked out they immediately embraced each other again, securing and comforting each other, and the Archangel Michael prophesied their salvation (the biblical rapture from Limbo).
Saint Adam and Saint Eve, parents of humanity together with Saint Joseph (the Chaste Heart) and Saint Mary (the Immaculate Heart), parents of Jesus Christ (the Sacred Heart and God Incarnate).
Joseph the Counselor of Heaven and Mary the Queen of Heaven.
It has always been this way for the sacred service of women in the Holy Church: the consecrated virgins and the nuns.
The ultimate divine reward is to receive Mary's veil and become her handmaid.
Emanationisic monism is the only account for the immortality of the soul, creationism and the immortality of the soul are incompatible. That’s why I stick with platonism
Interesting.. I don't understand why it would be incompatible.. Could you please elaborate?
@@EmilKadabell it would be more improbable to say that the soul was created in time by god and then given conditional immortality if it holds certain beliefs (this is the Abrahamic view. The platonic view is that by definition: eternal means beginningless and endless therefore there was never a creation of the soul by god but rather the soul is a co-eternal emanation from the absolute principle, that must liberated from ignorance and reunited with god out of its own will not some belief based salvation through a Jewish savior god.
@@Nicholas-cd3ef I see.. Very interesting
@@Nicholas-cd3efsomething that has a beginning can still be made immortal. Conditional immortality is not an orthodox position because hell is also eternal. We are not annihilationists.
Luke 3 says Adam was the Son of God, and Adam was the father of all humans. Humans were made in God's image for a reason; humans were always made to become like God in every way, and becoming like Christ is exactly what we were always meant to be, and eternally are: part of the Elohim. Elohim is actually a plural word, meaning it refers to both Jesus and the Father. If it refers to Jesus, and we gain all the rights of the Son of God, we must likewise be part of the Elohim in the eternal sense.
Reading Asian scriptures and realize you are God
Reading the Bible and Quran understand that Jesus is messiah and word or God, reading them better you understand that Jesus is God, reading them even better you understand we are all God
@Lazers749 Yes we are!
John 10:30-42
30 I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.
40 Then Jesus went back across the Jordan to the place where John had been baptizing in the early days. There he stayed, 41 and many people came to him. They said, “Though John never performed a sign, all that John said about this man was true.” 42 And in that place many believed in Jesus.