Im in college but its comm college for an AAS in CIS, however i got grants to go to college so i will graduate without debt however, i am planning on going the trade route instead. I grew up blue collar and while white collar might be for some i feel as my lifestyle is more about hands on, blue collar work. I want to get into real estate so i plan on becoming an electrician, maybe learn some plumbing, etc. These jobs will never be replaced my automation.
Sounds like a good plan. I work as a paramedic and never got into it for the money; i actually love the job. I am lucky i can live comfortably in a career that most need a second job or work crazy amounts of overtime to stay afloat. Prior to going to paramedic school i went to a state college and had to work full time to afford it and still found myself in debt from loans. Took me 12 years to pay off the debt.
Abolish The Department of Education dumbing down American children since 1979. Cost alone is good enough reason, 14,439 dollars public per student vs 8,039 dollars private per student with no discernible education difference, although private school student tend to preform better later in life.
That's not true... I have a mechatronics engineering degree and I shouldn't have gotten it. I'm doing web development as a job. Wtf was the point of the engineering degree as I'm using maybe 1% of the knowledge? Peter Thiel analyzed colleges in a video, and he said the only two degrees that are worth it are petroleum engineering and software engineering. The vast majority of STEM degrees are not worth it, and trust me there are many people with materials or mechanical engineering degrees that end up working entry position jobs as a bank teller or whatever. I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions. Even college STEM is not worth it by and large and although the degree is more worthwhile relative to a more useless degree, it still doesn't make it worth it in the first place. I get the vibe people want to say that college is worth it so they don't have to question themselves and their beliefs, or they already spent time getting a degree and they don't want to experience cognitive dissonance
@@blahblahblah747 That's your problem. Why did you go to college to get a degree that has nothing to do with your career. Imagine an engineer going to college just to become a literature arts professor or to write a book. Engineers and doctors need to have a strong foundation. I'm sure there's plenty of jobs related to major you ended up going with. Don't blame universities for your carelessness.
@@blazehunter8173 I might have gotten the wrong impression from your comment, but I interpreted as you saying that STEM degrees are worth it. Is that what you were saying? If you were, that's simply not true. The numbers back that up. Forget my personal example, just statistically engineers especially in like mechanical or materials or civil end up in different fields in their jobs. OK sure they should've made better life decisions, but that goes aside the point which is just proving that those STEM degrees aern't worth it either, aside from say software or petroleum engineering. And I straight up said 'I shouldn't have gotten it' when it comes to my degree lol, which only proves my point. I'm not blaming anyone wtf And if engineering jobs are largely not worth it, and other degrees aren't worth it either, then by and large college isn't worth it.
@@blahblahblah747 engineering firms hire engineers. If you have a literature arts background you can't expect to work for engineering firm. STEM majors create strong backgrounds and foundation. We need good engineering, good doctors, and good technicians. Don't belittle STEM majors just because it didn't work out for you. Just to let you know you don't need a stem degree to understand engineering. Knowledge is available at the tip of our finger tips. We can learn anything, have a degree just adds security.
@@blazehunter8173 uhh, all I'm saying is learning STEM through college isn't worth it, not that the subjects aren't. And I'm talking about statistics, not just my personal example. Just saying that a college degree isn't worth it isn't belittling anyone. Just like how someone can buy a Ferrari and then say afterwards that it wasn't worth it, just through, you know... analysis. And yes of course you don't need a STEM degree to understand engineering. That just supports my initial statement that college for STEM is largely not worth it because theres virtually free alternatives out there. But anyways I can tell you're not really understanding my comments. This is just for other people who might read this.
@@hieroprotoganist3440 of course. It's not like the huge population of people who didn't go to university are unemployed. also universities are pretty much online education during Covid anyways XD. what a fucking scam. $60k/year for something equivalent to a Udemy course
@@blahblahblah747 I'm asking if u can get a Dev job with an udemy course? I'm not defending college. Im just saying u can't get a scaling job without a college degree in a lot of countries. Especially in Asia. America maybe different.
Its a shame most people blame capitalism on most of these issues.
Average cost of a degree would be over $12 per hour if you now how to calculate it. Not worth it anymore unless your parents are rich.
Im in college but its comm college for an AAS in CIS, however i got grants to go to college so i will graduate without debt however, i am planning on going the trade route instead. I grew up blue collar and while white collar might be for some i feel as my lifestyle is more about hands on, blue collar work. I want to get into real estate so i plan on becoming an electrician, maybe learn some plumbing, etc. These jobs will never be replaced my automation.
Sounds like a good plan. I work as a paramedic and never got into it for the money; i actually love the job. I am lucky i can live comfortably in a career that most need a second job or work crazy amounts of overtime to stay afloat. Prior to going to paramedic school i went to a state college and had to work full time to afford it and still found myself in debt from loans. Took me 12 years to pay off the debt.
Abolish The Department of Education dumbing down American children since 1979. Cost alone is good enough reason, 14,439 dollars public per student vs 8,039 dollars private per student with no discernible education difference, although private school student tend to preform better later in life.
Free education...possible the worst thing Joe's ever said...
Joe the talking thumb rogan
College is worth it, as long as you're not getting a useless degree. Stem related degrees are better then getting a gender studies degree.
That's not true... I have a mechatronics engineering degree and I shouldn't have gotten it. I'm doing web development as a job. Wtf was the point of the engineering degree as I'm using maybe 1% of the knowledge? Peter Thiel analyzed colleges in a video, and he said the only two degrees that are worth it are petroleum engineering and software engineering. The vast majority of STEM degrees are not worth it, and trust me there are many people with materials or mechanical engineering degrees that end up working entry position jobs as a bank teller or whatever.
I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions. Even college STEM is not worth it by and large and although the degree is more worthwhile relative to a more useless degree, it still doesn't make it worth it in the first place. I get the vibe people want to say that college is worth it so they don't have to question themselves and their beliefs, or they already spent time getting a degree and they don't want to experience cognitive dissonance
@@blahblahblah747 That's your problem. Why did you go to college to get a degree that has nothing to do with your career. Imagine an engineer going to college just to become a literature arts professor or to write a book. Engineers and doctors need to have a strong foundation. I'm sure there's plenty of jobs related to major you ended up going with. Don't blame universities for your carelessness.
@@blazehunter8173 I might have gotten the wrong impression from your comment, but I interpreted as you saying that STEM degrees are worth it. Is that what you were saying? If you were, that's simply not true. The numbers back that up. Forget my personal example, just statistically engineers especially in like mechanical or materials or civil end up in different fields in their jobs. OK sure they should've made better life decisions, but that goes aside the point which is just proving that those STEM degrees aern't worth it either, aside from say software or petroleum engineering. And I straight up said 'I shouldn't have gotten it' when it comes to my degree lol, which only proves my point. I'm not blaming anyone wtf
And if engineering jobs are largely not worth it, and other degrees aren't worth it either, then by and large college isn't worth it.
@@blahblahblah747 engineering firms hire engineers. If you have a literature arts background you can't expect to work for engineering firm. STEM majors create strong backgrounds and foundation. We need good engineering, good doctors, and good technicians. Don't belittle STEM majors just because it didn't work out for you.
Just to let you know you don't need a stem degree to understand engineering. Knowledge is available at the tip of our finger tips. We can learn anything, have a degree just adds security.
@@blazehunter8173 uhh, all I'm saying is learning STEM through college isn't worth it, not that the subjects aren't. And I'm talking about statistics, not just my personal example. Just saying that a college degree isn't worth it isn't belittling anyone. Just like how someone can buy a Ferrari and then say afterwards that it wasn't worth it, just through, you know... analysis.
And yes of course you don't need a STEM degree to understand engineering. That just supports my initial statement that college for STEM is largely not worth it because theres virtually free alternatives out there.
But anyways I can tell you're not really understanding my comments. This is just for other people who might read this.
online education is better and cheaper.
Where do u live?
You can learn anything online for free
@@pattybaselines But can you convince employers to hire you with it?
@@hieroprotoganist3440 of course. It's not like the huge population of people who didn't go to university are unemployed.
also universities are pretty much online education during Covid anyways XD. what a fucking scam. $60k/year for something equivalent to a Udemy course
@@blahblahblah747 I'm asking if u can get a Dev job with an udemy course?
I'm not defending college.
Im just saying u can't get a scaling job without a college degree in a lot of countries.
Especially in Asia.
America maybe different.