@@onlychild5213 ya the child groomers and mentally disturbed all get away Scott free no matter how dangerous their messages are..thanks again for proving that big gov/big tech/big corporations is in this leftist cult and therefore you are fighting for the system you claim to be against.
If your friend turns into an asshole in your eyes, why indulge them? Seems like they've been already waiting to get him kicked out, it was not an overnight thing.
@@razmatazz9310 then boundaries and serious sit downs should have happened when the problems started. He was the image and the uniqueness that set this band apart from everyone else when hate came out.
Just the level of pettiness they did with getting another vocalist without saying anything and he does all the same Cadence and acentes that CJ does just rubs me the wrong way.
What they need to realize is that CJ made them who they are, before they even made these absolute incredible albums, they werent big. CJ's sound and killer vocals that had a significant impact on the deathcore world, pushed them in the direction they want to go. CJ IS THY ART IS MURDER
The first album they did with CJ wasn't big either, they changed their sound quite a bit after that, like they had after the EP. He definitely wasn't the only factor
It's heartwrenching to see cancel culture infect the metal community. We are supposed to be beyond this sort of thing. Thy Art is Cowardice - you should've had thy bandmate's back.
Protecting kids is not and was not the problem. But calling for the death of a parent because they don’t force your worldview on their kids is isn’t really protecting kids but rather calling for violence on people who don’t enforce your opinions.
While I disagree with how CJ approached the topic he did, I don't disagree with his stance. I also think regardless of what CJ did firing the guy via IG post having replaced his vocals for the new album without telling him is extremely shifty behavior.
The topic of grooming children shouldn't be handled with kitten mitten gloves tho. He is right these parents are child abusers and need to be treated like this.
Godlike was their first release on their own record label, which is heavily run by Andy. So you're right, this was a decision by the record label and a pure business move that is backfiring for sure
Well guess the rest of the band showed their true colours for kicking him out simply because they can't handle an a opposing point of view. They also replaced him at the very last minute before the album dropped because they were afraid the album wasn't going to sell as well if people know that he's still on it. It's pathetic, they've done way more harm to their reputation for kicking him out than what they ever would have done for keeping him in the band. A lot of their fans have turned on them now and that's their own fault, not CJ's. CJ was in the band for YEARS! He was like a brother to them and for them to just blatantly throw him under the bus like this is just disgraceful, they'll come to regret it.
I dont understand, why is it that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when that opinion is aginst a certain movement they get cancelled. The.mother is worse than the comment cj made
Cj leaving thy art is like Angus young leaving AC/DC, maybe not as detrimental, but he is a massive part of thy arts influence, and what people pay to see when they see thy art, now he’s gone, and actually gone for good, things might never be the same for this band now
Thy Art “yea CJ I’m not gonna capitulate to your your ideology” Also thy art “All hail our 🏳️⚧️ overlords we will betray our vocalist for them” I thought aussies weren’t cucks hope CJ finds some based musicians and gets back to business.
Exactly. If they think CJ was already a problem, why the fuck would they pursue a huge tour and a brand new album with CJ? The decision is purely based on his comment. And again, CJ is a sort of jokster, there’s no way he actually meant that comment. He was only reacting about an opinion he’s passionate about.
Sometimes it takes a while to realize. I needed to become 30 yo to cut ties with my racist and homophobic parental family and to be fully aware of what kind of people they are. . That was back in 2005. So I am pretty sure that there already was tension and this really was the last straw to break. TAIM obviously wanted to make their album without CJ professionally, without having someone like him in the band - so they worked on it in the background and then presented CJ with a fait accompli. TAIM put art in front of personal issues... what else should they have done? Keep him in the band as if nothing happened?
@@chrisp.14 honestly no I think they were totally fine until they saw the backlash they were getting from his comment. They literally just became independent also. You don’t go to those lengths with someone you don’t want in the band. It’s horseshit
I smell an absolutely legal mess coming with this especially cutting out his vocals and having someone else do them. ESPECAIALLY if they didn't tell him first. That's a bad bad move by them by not telling him he's out. They're pretty lucky it was done under a small ass label instead of Nuclear Blast because NB would have absolutely blown their top for that. Keep your eyes out because I'm telling you this is gonna be an absolute SHIT STORM. I support the LGBTQ+ community. Mad respect for you for showing no bias at all during this. I agree what CJ said about burning the mother is fucked up BUT parents being pissed if their kids won't choose the gender the parent wants them to be. Irritating as shit. I have had a conversation with CJ (if you're in Deatchore Snobs on facebook you may remember that trend lol) and he was one of the coolest artists I've chatted with next to Gary Holt who is an absolute kick ass human as well!
Thy art are independent now, can basically do what ever they like in regards to axing members in such ridiculous circumstances, thy art has fucked up, lost over 5000 fans since this announcement,
@@Eringobragh2024 You know that´s exactly what the straight community is as well right? 😅 And it´s about a little neurological thing in your brain called ´attraction´, don´t get scared now, but you have it as well
Free speech is for everyone or it’s not really free speech. CJ was making a point that kids shouldn’t be exposed to this & he’s right. If you want to chop your **** off or have one sewn on when you’re an adult, go for it. But leave the kids out of it. This was a stupid, weak move on the band’s part & I won’t be supporting anything TAIM do from now on.
In my almost 35 years of being a metalhead, I canceled any band that I noticed being racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic and whatever. These things have nothing to do with opinions or "freedom of speech", they just show antisociality, rudeness, putting themselves over others, discrimination, it's simply hate speech. I refuse to support these people as people and as artists. Even if I am a supporter of a band for 20 years... if one current member starts becoming whateverphobic or racist or youknowwhat, this is a reason for me to get rid of their albums effective immediately. No support for this kind of artists from me. Good bye, once-so-good albums. I can't separate art and these kind of "opinions" (which aren't opinions at all, as I said) of artists themselves from each other and I refuse to do so. I don't care what people say behind closed doors. But if they say it publicly, they have to deal with the fact that I am no longer the person who wants to have to do anything with them.
@@chrisp.14dude they had sexist songs about killing women since day 1. If you dont care about what people say behind closed doors then why would you care when other peoples perception of what he said. He didnt commit any sort of crime. Yes it was a bigoted statement and emotional but he can definetly grow from it.
"You play supid games-". If CJ had used his brain for 5 seconds this would never have happened in the first place. CJ is an adult and deserves to be treated like one, despite him being too stupid to behave like one.
@@chrisp.14transphobic is just understanding biology. Trans is a social mental disorder that is closer to a religious cult at this point. The back lash to this is only just starting. Thanks to CJ and Alex from slaughter to actually standing up against this disease.
It seems like there's very few of us yes lmao. Count in the fact that he said it because he spoke from a father's perspective and not from a hateful perspective and i really don't see where the problem lies.
'Lorna Shore' did this sort of shit WAAAY more professionally than what 'Thy Art Is Murder' have done, and the ex-vocalist of 'Lorna Shore' did WAAAAAAY worse... I can't believe they got triggered over an emotional outburst by CJ just because the mother was abusing her child. It's actually insane. They've killed their entire careers now due to the sheer immaturity that's been shown.
HONESTLY....this is the Mean Girls formula. YOU CAN'T SIT WITH US. Oh yeah btw remember the song Whore to a Chainsaw? So...integrity was an issue? Don't make me laugh.
Man how times have changed when a musician and vocalist can be fired for saying something no different than what Cannibal Corpse sing about in their songs. Their lyrics and album covers are even worse than what CJ said but it's seen as theater while CJ's opinion is viewed as a threat or hateful!!! It’s like even an apology isn’t enough in this world anymore and people are slow to forgive someone for a wrong…it’s just all a hate filled movement now!!! 🤷♂️
F*ck them, this is betrayal. Glad I got to see him back in February. Hope CJ is ok and can't wait to see what he does next. TAIM circa September 2023 is trash.
@villainyoutsider647 which part confused you? Thy art has made it clear they value grooming children over the front man who took them to the level of fame they're about to lose. They did him dirty and he found out the same way the rest of us did which is spineless behaviour from the other members.
Ya let's get more anti grooming metal going in the scene. Been working on a project similar to Darko "another vocalist who is extremely based if you check his records too "that's exactly this.
@riftsxp he would suit old school death metal so well. Don't get me wrong I loved his work with thy art, I just struggle with the core scene in general. Winey little douche bags most of them.
@@mitchellannis-brown2487 just make core based. Not sure if they are now but brand of sacrifices old bassists used to post the most unhinged leftists shit I've ever seen..they got rid of him but not sure if Kyle is political or just likes to write about a sick anime.
I just watched cjs apology video. Dude seemed genuinely sorry for what he said. Crazy they got rid of the most impactful member of the band. Ill definitely miss him. Im gutted 😞
You can't be serious? Dude said "I'm sorry for anyone WHO FELT OFFENDED". Nonono, you don't get to make a half hearted apology and then not apologize for your actions, but instead how people reacted to it. This is a typical case of someone who doesn't like the taste of consequences and "apologizes" for selfish reasons.
@@KytexEdits Yes. He seems genuinely sorry for the way people felt by his opinion. Nobody should be forced to apologize for an opinion they express over the internet, even if it involves a very touchy subject. He was known to be outspoken for years. You cannot change who people are and you definitely cannot change their beliefs because people did not agree with him. People need to grow up already and accept an opinion for an opinion and stop caving into internet drama, the best you can do is move on and go touch grass.
He is sorry he hurt peoples feelings, he's not sorry for what he said..which is perfectly what anyone should say in this situation. Never be sorry for standing against child abusers and this very deadly social mental disorder cult.
@@icecoldstonez You seem to misunderstand it. I'm not mad at him for speaking his mind. I'm mad at him for wanting to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to apologize and still not change his opinion. It's simple: keep your opinion, and don't make an apology, or make an actual apology. Also, love how you turn "She (unironically) deserves to burn" into "an opinion". If I said people who teach kids conservative and religious values should literally be burned alive I very much so doubt you'd have the same tone.
Spineless! It was not to preserve the integrity of the band it was to preserve the money flow It’s a scary precedent that is being set say one so-called controversial thing and your life is completely canceled?! No redemption I hope this band loses a bunch of fans!!!
The most hypocritical move in Metal and solely a "business move" by the "businessman" in the band. This shit was honestly hard to hear cuz it makes the back catalogue hit different
CJ will join another band and blow up. As for Thy Art is Murder, they would have to find a beast of a vocalist to step into CJs shoes. And even then. CJ is not replacable in a band like this.
He should join Feed Her To The Sharks as another screamer for heavier parts and make the band a bit more heavier or just start a new band with a similar style to TAIM.
Lets NOT FORGET about IA. You know the band that has probably some of the darkest lyrics in the hardcore deathcore/deathcore scene. Dickie Allen walks around freely and no one bats an eye (not saying he should be targeted here). I think your point about how their lyrics are just as bad as the comment hits it home for me in terms of CJ's wrongful termination. The band clearly buckled under the weight of their fans and it was for the worse. It sucks.
So god to listen to someone speaking out so clearly what i m thinking. And also reading so many peoples Opinion about this in the Coments. Now i dont feel this Bad and lonely anymore about my favorit band falling appart. R.I.P Thy Art is Murder…
Eh. Idc how offensive/hateful speech could be seen as. I still think you should be able to say it regardless if I agree with it or not. What he said is blown out of proportion. Now if he said "I'll give someone X amount of money to burn this woman alive " it's different because that's a call to action. Big difference.
Metal used to be about saying things that people can’t talk about. Thinking about things you wouldn’t normally think about. For a legend like cj to get chastised for stating an unpopular opinion, and saying to burn someone to death, which is a totally normal thing for a metal head to say, that’s just messed up
oh damn i just got their album on Apple Music… havent listened to it just yet as ive been jamming the last album from ‘She Must Burn’ as i didnt know they had new music out baxk in 2002 and this past year! love that band! but CJ being kicked out of his band, without telling him is beyond mind fuckery! damn…
"Everything is fine until you post it on the internet and it hurts something, that makes money." This is the entire woke culture and cancel culture summed up. Holy shit. Can I get this on a shirt?
funny how you mention that they have songs about killing people, CJ refused to play stuff like whore to a chainsaw live for many many years because it might offend someone, honestly the new guy sounds exactly like CJ anyways
The band just single handedly canceled themselves in this process😂 I bet MORE people will disregard the band for their lame approach at trying to stay safe in a society of jokes of people
Dude it's the shittiest thing that's happened in the metal world for a while. CJ says something a bit controversial on social media (who fucking cares right? We all have thoughts we don't say but should, he did it), and the band announced he's fired and they re recorded the vocals on the new album like a day after release. He learned of this the same time we all did, through social media. This is guys hes probably known and been in a band with since like 2006 or something, 100% a fuckin dog act. Half of me thinks it's bullshit though, at least the part about re recording the vocals, cause I've listened to the album and ive listened to the singles released months ago and I can't tell a difference, so I dunno, either way some fucking stupid shit is going on and they've lost a fan here
There's definitely a difference on Join Me in Armageddon. Compare the youtube version to the spotify single and there is a difference. Subtle, but still there. Sounds like either Tyler Miller or the Aversions Crown singer
@aaryanramesh7761 ah OK. I'm old fashioned man I don't use that streaming shit lol. I downloaded mine off soulseek. Maybe I've got the version with cj? I'll compare it to Spotify when I'm free
Well thy art is murdered 😂 CJ was the main event of that band. We all knew it. When someone says someone should be burned to death, Its most likely not serious. More like the phrase “to kick someones ass” I and many others have delivered an ass kicking but not once did boots meet booty.
Let's look at Rammstein's situation, what happened to the singer, the band distanced themselves from everything and continued to work as a band, what each person does with their lives is none of the band's business, was the pronouncement What they did when asked about the singer's situation
If he wrote the lyrics to the songs, and he also appears in all their music videoes. He can defo sue them for royalites. This thing gonna be a big mess.
A good amount of people thought lorna shore was done too after CJ mcCreery left and they're fine, im sure TAIM will be too. At worst they'll fall into the same trap that Suicide Silence fell into and i still enjoy their music so to each their own. Really sucks though i feel like CJ really added that edge to TAIM and his vocals were insane, so hopefully he gets into another band and makes great music again. I've always found it important to separate the art from the artist because lets be honest if you knew everything about someone you really liked, you really wouldnt like them anymore.
@@iPiiZiiZ yeah it wasn't long but he replaced Tom when he joined Chelsea Grin. He's the vocalist on the Immortal album and they debated rerecording it with Will as at the time they fired CJ the album hadn't been released but they opted not to.
And like what Blaire White says in her podcast she predicts in the next 5-10 years hopefully people wake up and see how stupid they’ve looked in this time period. And this is coming from a trans woman. I wonder if she’s going to comment on any of this.
Ik heb altijd veel verhalen gehoord van vrienden die Thy art is murder hebben gezien 'Dude hijs een absolute monster live ze vocals zijn absurd bruut' dat wou ik dus eens mee maken. Ik had maandag een ticket gekocht voor hun gig 28 september in tillburg, ik helemaal blij en 4 dagen later word die er uit gezet Ben bijna bereid een discount te vragen 🙄
I just came across Thy Art and did like the one and the other song. CJs voice is kinda outstanding and I hope he will find a new band. What he said was maybe a bit too graphic but well it is his opinion and I like that he stated his opinion on the matter. I feel the remainders of Thy Art are a very weak bunch of guys and I hope they will go down for letting their friend down just because of the public pressure.... But yeah it's really sad now, that even metal musicians now have to care about what they stand for in their private lives and need to polish their profiles like politicians... awful. I remember I never sticked my nose in the biographies of the musicians of the bands I liked I simply consumed their Metal thats it. Shame to see that all that woke BS now floods into metal.
This is a bunch of shit! Like you said they are a Death Core band! Metal has always been controversial and now this band is giving in to the "Woke" crap in this world! It's only freedom of speech unless you say something about LBGTQ community! I admire your opinion on what the Trans movement is and it's out of control! I'm honestly not going to support Thy Art is Murder anymore because I refuse to support anything that gives in to this Woke shit! I also listened to the "Godlike" with the new vocalist and it just doesn't have the same power and conviction without CJ!
@@FuriousMetal1968 the first CD and Vinyl pressings will have CJ on it due to how hard it is to make changes last minute, I say hold onto it if you end up grabbing a CD real soon because its gonna be a rarity if someone doesn't upload the CJ version in full.
Hey all, big update. TAIM, staff and the record label are deleting comments from fans and people who Don't agree with what's happened to CJ and the way the remaining members of the band have handled this.
@chrisp.14 you're special. No platform for people who disagree with your views eh? So only your opinion matters? Do you see exactly why people don't like people like you? Lmfao
Again, 100% on board with you there. Be your own person, do your thing, I have my life, you have yours, it's simple, be a good person. I have never said I hate any of the alphabet soup people, as you said, technically you are one of them, great! The fact that as a straight male I'm apparently responsible for the hatred that is directed (apparently) at a group of people who doesn't happen to be straight is just mental. I just want to live my life, I happen to like women, great. I'm not sitting here telling you that you can't like guys or something, that's just wild. Your use of the actual lyrics spells out a really good point and the fact that they somehow want to ignore that but direct hate at one comment on a social media platform, again, mental. CJ's later explanation video is what you would expect, a dude talking about issues from his perspective in a reasonable fashion. Guess what? He's a reasonable guy, he speaks his truth and it sounds reasonable. The woke mob never hears that stuff of course though, they just snake around and sensationalize anything that in their exclusive opinion: 'goes too far' and is in almost all cases based on something taken way out of context. Life is diverse and complicated, nuance is all around you, black and white only exists in a vacuum. The woke agenda is the issue here, it's something that needs a serious helping of go away somewhere and never come back :P Cheers!
it's sad i feel like a lot of the people leaving comments on their instagram dont really care. i really feel like most people who follow their shit dont even listen to their music and just follow the choo choo train of trying to be relevant or in touch. i can never understand how people will get invested into following bands that they dont give a shit about dont listen to arent passion about. situations like this are genuinely frustrating and it feels like as usual people on social media just want to suckle on any drama they can find and it is so pathetic. people dont really care about you, they dont really care about the band members, they dont really care about anything they just want to stir the pot of shit indefinitely. reading these comments its just painfully obvious that most of the people in the discussion are just wasting their time talking about a band that they dont even fuck with. just in general i think people should fuck off and go on living their shitty lives instead of infesting instagram and social media with their insufferable stupidity.
The band already wanted to take him away, that's all it could be. Because it doesn't make sense why he was taken out of the band. Generation too sensitive to not accept other people's opinions
6:09 or if it was on the internet, and he said that same thing about a politician, or some tiktok prankster or whoever, nobody would’ve batted an eye; people only cared because it was in relation to the lgbtq community😒🙄
7:50. Spot the fuck on. That’s all this is about; money. For some reason people think that upsetting like 10% of 1% of the world is going to cause them to go bankrupt, so they fold. Trans people are such a small demographic yet for some reason it’s the biggest deal that you upset them.
Appreciate you 👍... everyone has a right to an opinion. Who says he is wrong or right. Its literally fighting over an opinion. Seems like a right of passage to be cancelled by the opinions in charge.
"It's literally fighting over an opinion" The opinion was that a woman should be burned to death. Also, I'm not sure what else you think people have ever fought over except opinions (e.g. 'This piece of land belongs to me', etc)
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I also just found out that CJ was NOT informed about this decision. Absolutely mental.
Dammm this is why I'm avoid politics because it ruins everybody's lives
Very Well Said 💥🔥🤘🏻👍🏼😝👍🏼🤘🏻🔥💥
@@stephenking986it only ruins right wingers lives
@@onlychild5213 ya the child groomers and mentally disturbed all get away Scott free no matter how dangerous their messages are..thanks again for proving that big gov/big tech/big corporations is in this leftist cult and therefore you are fighting for the system you claim to be against.
@@onlychild5213the truth will come to light and you and your whole ideology will come crumbling down. Sit down trash
CJ when he was with the band: Thy Art is Murder
The band without CJ: Thy Art Is Mid
Thy Art Is Assault
Thy art is woke
They/Them Art Cancer
Thy art is murdered
They art is rrrrreeeeee
He just posted a response on his IG, being backstabbed by ur band homies really sucks
This was a very, very spineless way to part ways with a friend, bandmate and/or business partner.
I feel for him, and I side with him.
If your friend turns into an asshole in your eyes, why indulge them? Seems like they've been already waiting to get him kicked out, it was not an overnight thing.
@@razmatazz9310 then boundaries and serious sit downs should have happened when the problems started. He was the image and the uniqueness that set this band apart from everyone else when hate came out.
@@treewisemenllc7281 Well, we don't really know if those sit downs and prior conversations did or did not happen.
@@razmatazz9310 but one would assume before kicking out one of the biggest assets to this group.
@@razmatazz9310CJ was right.
CJ should not apologize for this.
Just the level of pettiness they did with getting another vocalist without saying anything and he does all the same Cadence and acentes that CJ does just rubs me the wrong way.
Agreed. They quite LITERALLY had this new guy redo CJ's vocals IDENTICAL to what CJ had already tracked. Fuck TAIM.
What they need to realize is that CJ made them who they are, before they even made these absolute incredible albums, they werent big. CJ's sound and killer vocals that had a significant impact on the deathcore world, pushed them in the direction they want to go. CJ IS THY ART IS MURDER
The first album they did with CJ wasn't big either, they changed their sound quite a bit after that, like they had after the EP. He definitely wasn't the only factor
Best thing he can do is move on, start a new successful career and leave this behind him.
This breaks my heart. Thy Art was one of my favorite bands but, I boycott Cancel Culture….Thy Art is dead to me now :(
It's heartwrenching to see cancel culture infect the metal community. We are supposed to be beyond this sort of thing.
Thy Art is Cowardice - you should've had thy bandmate's back.
Man when did it become a sin to protect children's innocence for a. Adults life. This is disgusting, I got cj on this one.
Protecting kids is not and was not the problem. But calling for the death of a parent because they don’t force your worldview on their kids is isn’t really protecting kids but rather calling for violence on people who don’t enforce your opinions.
Saying a human should be murdered with fire isn't protecting anything
What a sick world
While I disagree with how CJ approached the topic he did, I don't disagree with his stance. I also think regardless of what CJ did firing the guy via IG post having replaced his vocals for the new album without telling him is extremely shifty behavior.
The topic of grooming children shouldn't be handled with kitten mitten gloves tho. He is right these parents are child abusers and need to be treated like this.
Please tell me what is he talk.
Godlike was their first release on their own record label, which is heavily run by Andy. So you're right, this was a decision by the record label and a pure business move that is backfiring for sure
This world has become so soft and fragile that it cannot even handle an opposing point of view.
Well guess the rest of the band showed their true colours for kicking him out simply because they can't handle an a opposing point of view. They also replaced him at the very last minute before the album dropped because they were afraid the album wasn't going to sell as well if people know that he's still on it. It's pathetic, they've done way more harm to their reputation for kicking him out than what they ever would have done for keeping him in the band. A lot of their fans have turned on them now and that's their own fault, not CJ's. CJ was in the band for YEARS! He was like a brother to them and for them to just blatantly throw him under the bus like this is just disgraceful, they'll come to regret it.
I dont understand, why is it that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when that opinion is aginst a certain movement they get cancelled.
The.mother is worse than the comment cj made
A movement "pro" minorities that do not harm anyone is never bad.
Transphobic Death Threats aren't a "difference of opinion".
@MysticalPotatoHeadGrooveThing The oppressors don't get to tell the oppressed what's oppressive.
@@chrisp.14trans harms everyone as proven. Self harm and harm to others.
@@TheLivingDeadFormatshe threatened the child grooming of radically unhinged parents . Threatening groomers is the best way forward.
I stand with CJ
Same here yo!
Me too ❤
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Cj leaving thy art is like Angus young leaving AC/DC, maybe not as detrimental, but he is a massive part of thy arts influence, and what people pay to see when they see thy art, now he’s gone, and actually gone for good, things might never be the same for this band now
Thy Art “yea CJ I’m not gonna capitulate to your your ideology”
Also thy art “All hail our 🏳️⚧️ overlords we will betray our vocalist for them”
I thought aussies weren’t cucks hope CJ finds some based musicians and gets back to business.
Exactly. If they think CJ was already a problem, why the fuck would they pursue a huge tour and a brand new album with CJ? The decision is purely based on his comment. And again, CJ is a sort of jokster, there’s no way he actually meant that comment. He was only reacting about an opinion he’s passionate about.
He didn't mean it but yet he's passionate about it at the same time?
@@StevenGarnsky he didn’t mean it in a literally sense, duh.
Sometimes it takes a while to realize. I needed to become 30 yo to cut ties with my racist and homophobic parental family and to be fully aware of what kind of people they are. . That was back in 2005.
So I am pretty sure that there already was tension and this really was the last straw to break.
TAIM obviously wanted to make their album without CJ professionally, without having someone like him in the band - so they worked on it in the background and then presented CJ with a fait accompli.
TAIM put art in front of personal issues... what else should they have done? Keep him in the band as if nothing happened?
@@chrisp.14 honestly no I think they were totally fine until they saw the backlash they were getting from his comment. They literally just became independent also. You don’t go to those lengths with someone you don’t want in the band. It’s horseshit
Couldn't possibly be because they're a business... 🤷♀️
Thy art is woke
Thy art is groomers
@@drnkdsthy art is fart
They / them / thy 😂
Bunch of woke losers. Their band is finished
@@markbeimans2985😂😂😂
I smell an absolutely legal mess coming with this especially cutting out his vocals and having someone else do them. ESPECAIALLY if they didn't tell him first. That's a bad bad move by them by not telling him he's out. They're pretty lucky it was done under a small ass label instead of Nuclear Blast because NB would have absolutely blown their top for that. Keep your eyes out because I'm telling you this is gonna be an absolute SHIT STORM. I support the LGBTQ+ community. Mad respect for you for showing no bias at all during this. I agree what CJ said about burning the mother is fucked up BUT parents being pissed if their kids won't choose the gender the parent wants them to be. Irritating as shit. I have had a conversation with CJ (if you're in Deatchore Snobs on facebook you may remember that trend lol) and he was one of the coolest artists I've chatted with next to Gary Holt who is an absolute kick ass human as well!
Omg the Deathcore Snobs group hahahaa, good times. Also yes, legal shitstorm is imminent.
Thy art are independent now, can basically do what ever they like in regards to axing members in such ridiculous circumstances, thy art has fucked up, lost over 5000 fans since this announcement,
You support a community that's entire basis is on what kind of sex they like?...
@@Eringobragh2024 You know that´s exactly what the straight community is as well right? 😅 And it´s about a little neurological thing in your brain called ´attraction´, don´t get scared now, but you have it as well
Free speech is for everyone or it’s not really free speech. CJ was making a point that kids shouldn’t be exposed to this & he’s right. If you want to chop your **** off or have one sewn on when you’re an adult, go for it. But leave the kids out of it. This was a stupid, weak move on the band’s part & I won’t be supporting anything TAIM do from now on.
Free speech is only for liberals. They cancel everyone who disagrees with them
God dammit cancel culture ruining metal for everyone 😢
In my almost 35 years of being a metalhead, I canceled any band that I noticed being racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic and whatever. These things have nothing to do with opinions or "freedom of speech", they just show antisociality, rudeness, putting themselves over others, discrimination, it's simply hate speech. I refuse to support these people as people and as artists. Even if I am a supporter of a band for 20 years... if one current member starts becoming whateverphobic or racist or youknowwhat, this is a reason for me to get rid of their albums effective immediately. No support for this kind of artists from me. Good bye, once-so-good albums. I can't separate art and these kind of "opinions" (which aren't opinions at all, as I said) of artists themselves from each other and I refuse to do so.
I don't care what people say behind closed doors. But if they say it publicly, they have to deal with the fact that I am no longer the person who wants to have to do anything with them.
@@chrisp.14🤡
@@chrisp.14dude they had sexist songs about killing women since day 1. If you dont care about what people say behind closed doors then why would you care when other peoples perception of what he said. He didnt commit any sort of crime. Yes it was a bigoted statement and emotional but he can definetly grow from it.
"You play supid games-". If CJ had used his brain for 5 seconds this would never have happened in the first place. CJ is an adult and deserves to be treated like one, despite him being too stupid to behave like one.
@@chrisp.14transphobic is just understanding biology. Trans is a social mental disorder that is closer to a religious cult at this point. The back lash to this is only just starting. Thanks to CJ and Alex from slaughter to actually standing up against this disease.
Am i the only one who thought that
When he said “She should be burned”
it was sarcastic
am i the only one?
It seems like there's very few of us yes lmao. Count in the fact that he said it because he spoke from a father's perspective and not from a hateful perspective and i really don't see where the problem lies.
Yes
CJ was standing up for normal people saying that mothers shouldn't make their kids trans...FUCK "thy art is murder"
No longer thy art is murder bro. They ain't shit without CJ
'Lorna Shore' did this sort of shit WAAAY more professionally than what 'Thy Art Is Murder' have done, and the ex-vocalist of 'Lorna Shore' did WAAAAAAY worse... I can't believe they got triggered over an emotional outburst by CJ just because the mother was abusing her child. It's actually insane. They've killed their entire careers now due to the sheer immaturity that's been shown.
HONESTLY....this is the Mean Girls formula. YOU CAN'T SIT WITH US.
Oh yeah btw remember the song Whore to a Chainsaw? So...integrity was an issue? Don't make me laugh.
Man how times have changed when a musician and vocalist can be fired for saying something no different than what Cannibal Corpse sing about in their songs. Their lyrics and album covers are even worse than what CJ said but it's seen as theater while CJ's opinion is viewed as a threat or hateful!!! It’s like even an apology isn’t enough in this world anymore and people are slow to forgive someone for a wrong…it’s just all a hate filled movement now!!! 🤷♂️
NEVER apologize to the woke mob. They will never be satisfied
Even when he wasn’t wrong either….
CCs lyrics are fictional, CJs "opinion" wasn't.
Exactly as you said, it's all hate and that's why it is great they are standing up to him and cutting the hate of at the source
@@chrisp.14 Musicians also write lyrics based on ‘opinion’ 🤷♂️
Canceling his voice from the new album is literally the cancel culture.
Thy Art is Murder is now CANCELLED by the NON-BULLIED.
F*ck them, this is betrayal. Glad I got to see him back in February. Hope CJ is ok and can't wait to see what he does next. TAIM circa September 2023 is trash.
Thy art is grooming.
Cant wait to see CJs next project
@villainyoutsider647 which part confused you? Thy art has made it clear they value grooming children over the front man who took them to the level of fame they're about to lose. They did him dirty and he found out the same way the rest of us did which is spineless behaviour from the other members.
Ya let's get more anti grooming metal going in the scene. Been working on a project similar to Darko "another vocalist who is extremely based if you check his records too "that's exactly this.
@riftsxp he would suit old school death metal so well. Don't get me wrong I loved his work with thy art, I just struggle with the core scene in general. Winey little douche bags most of them.
@@mitchellannis-brown2487 just make core based. Not sure if they are now but brand of sacrifices old bassists used to post the most unhinged leftists shit I've ever seen..they got rid of him but not sure if Kyle is political or just likes to write about a sick anime.
Next week, I’m going to see them live but CJ is gone!!! F them 🤣🤣
You should've refunded your ticket lmao
Completely agree with everything you said dude. Really refreshing to listen to someone with sense talk about this sort of thing
I just watched cjs apology video. Dude seemed genuinely sorry for what he said. Crazy they got rid of the most impactful member of the band. Ill definitely miss him. Im gutted 😞
You can't be serious? Dude said "I'm sorry for anyone WHO FELT OFFENDED". Nonono, you don't get to make a half hearted apology and then not apologize for your actions, but instead how people reacted to it. This is a typical case of someone who doesn't like the taste of consequences and "apologizes" for selfish reasons.
@@KytexEdits Yes. He seems genuinely sorry for the way people felt by his opinion. Nobody should be forced to apologize for an opinion they express over the internet, even if it involves a very touchy subject. He was known to be outspoken for years. You cannot change who people are and you definitely cannot change their beliefs because people did not agree with him. People need to grow up already and accept an opinion for an opinion and stop caving into internet drama, the best you can do is move on and go touch grass.
He is sorry he hurt peoples feelings, he's not sorry for what he said..which is perfectly what anyone should say in this situation. Never be sorry for standing against child abusers and this very deadly social mental disorder cult.
It's not an apology... it's a rationality
@@icecoldstonez You seem to misunderstand it. I'm not mad at him for speaking his mind. I'm mad at him for wanting to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to apologize and still not change his opinion. It's simple: keep your opinion, and don't make an apology, or make an actual apology. Also, love how you turn "She (unironically) deserves to burn" into "an opinion". If I said people who teach kids conservative and religious values should literally be burned alive I very much so doubt you'd have the same tone.
Spineless!
It was not to preserve the integrity of the band it was to preserve the money flow
It’s a scary precedent that is being set say one so-called controversial thing and your life is completely canceled?!
No redemption I hope this band loses a bunch of fans!!!
They should've just done what Lorna Shore did with McCreery. Release the album with his vocals then get him out.
And why exactly?
@@chrisp.14 Because I'd rather hear Godlike with CJ's vocals
what da fuck i hv to do with my ticket??? i think i will go away after watching whitechapel, dont know if we can get a refund
Waiting until after the album drops to announce they re-recorded his vocals with someone else is next level scummy shit.
The most hypocritical move in Metal and solely a "business move" by the "businessman" in the band. This shit was honestly hard to hear cuz it makes the back catalogue hit different
Hopefully he does what CJ from Lorna did and just make another band that’s almost better than the last album they were on
respect for telling it how it is
Yeah, just like how religious fanatics pointed rock and metal, what a shame to become the thing you were against, really sad
CJ will join another band and blow up. As for Thy Art is Murder, they would have to find a beast of a vocalist to step into CJs shoes. And even then. CJ is not replacable in a band like this.
He should join Feed Her To The Sharks as another screamer for heavier parts and make the band a bit more heavier or just start a new band with a similar style to TAIM.
Lets NOT FORGET about IA. You know the band that has probably some of the darkest lyrics in the hardcore deathcore/deathcore scene. Dickie Allen walks around freely and no one bats an eye (not saying he should be targeted here).
I think your point about how their lyrics are just as bad as the comment hits it home for me in terms of CJ's wrongful termination. The band clearly buckled under the weight of their fans and it was for the worse. It sucks.
Whats the name of the lyrics website you read from ?
I usually use dark lyrics but what i loved is the short description for each song
It´s called ´Genius´!
So god to listen to someone speaking out so clearly what i m thinking. And also reading so many peoples Opinion about this in the Coments. Now i dont feel this Bad and lonely anymore about my favorit band falling appart. R.I.P Thy Art is Murder…
Eh. Idc how offensive/hateful speech could be seen as. I still think you should be able to say it regardless if I agree with it or not.
What he said is blown out of proportion. Now if he said "I'll give someone X amount of money to burn this woman alive " it's different because that's a call to action. Big difference.
Hey if hes looking someone to start a new band tell cj i play guitar or bass
I'd snatch up a "I stand with CJ" shirt in a heartbeat
Metal used to be about saying things that people can’t talk about. Thinking about things you wouldn’t normally think about. For a legend like cj to get chastised for stating an unpopular opinion, and saying to burn someone to death, which is a totally normal thing for a metal head to say, that’s just messed up
THE REGIME has seeped its way into Metal/Core music for sometime now but not to an extent as this. Sick times y’all.
THY ART IS GROOMING
I don't know when Metal stopped being Metal...
oh damn i just got their album on Apple Music… havent listened to it just yet as ive been jamming the last album from ‘She Must Burn’ as i didnt know they had new music out baxk in 2002 and this past year! love that band!
but CJ being kicked out of his band, without telling him is beyond mind fuckery! damn…
"Everything is fine until you post it on the internet and it hurts something, that makes money."
This is the entire woke culture and cancel culture summed up. Holy shit. Can I get this on a shirt?
i might just put it on a shirt hahaha, or you can print your own, do with my words however you like
funny how you mention that they have songs about killing people, CJ refused to play stuff like whore to a chainsaw live for many many years because it might offend someone, honestly the new guy sounds exactly like CJ anyways
Thy art is murder is non existent for me anymore. CJ made them, they would be nothing without him. And they are nothing now without him
The band just single handedly canceled themselves in this process😂 I bet MORE people will disregard the band for their lame approach at trying to stay safe in a society of jokes of people
Dude it's the shittiest thing that's happened in the metal world for a while. CJ says something a bit controversial on social media (who fucking cares right? We all have thoughts we don't say but should, he did it), and the band announced he's fired and they re recorded the vocals on the new album like a day after release. He learned of this the same time we all did, through social media. This is guys hes probably known and been in a band with since like 2006 or something, 100% a fuckin dog act.
Half of me thinks it's bullshit though, at least the part about re recording the vocals, cause I've listened to the album and ive listened to the singles released months ago and I can't tell a difference, so I dunno, either way some fucking stupid shit is going on and they've lost a fan here
There's definitely a difference on Join Me in Armageddon. Compare the youtube version to the spotify single and there is a difference. Subtle, but still there. Sounds like either Tyler Miller or the Aversions Crown singer
@aaryanramesh7761 ah OK. I'm old fashioned man I don't use that streaming shit lol. I downloaded mine off soulseek. Maybe I've got the version with cj? I'll compare it to Spotify when I'm free
Well thy art is murdered 😂
CJ was the main event of that band. We all knew it.
When someone says someone should be burned to death, Its most likely not serious. More like the phrase “to kick someones ass” I and many others have delivered an ass kicking but not once did boots meet booty.
Let's look at Rammstein's situation, what happened to the singer, the band distanced themselves from everything and continued to work as a band, what each person does with their lives is none of the band's business, was the pronouncement What they did when asked about the singer's situation
We'll I guess I am done with thy art is murder without cj thy art is murder is done
This is my first time coming across your channel. I couldn’t agree with you more and you’ve earned my respect. Keep on rocking \m/
This is the most logical and rational take I’ve heard
Just stupid cj speaking facts❤
If he wrote the lyrics to the songs, and he also appears in all their music videoes. He can defo sue them for royalites. This thing gonna be a big mess.
I hope so.
Andy writes everything
Fuck yeah guy! Finally some sense!🔥🤘🏻💀🤘🏻🔥
This sounds like the label had something to do with this and threw the band under the bus
they are independant now, human warfare is their own label, at least for AUS/NZ
Now they are just call Thy Art Is Mild
Thy Art is Meh
So will the new vocalist be permanent or just for the record and tour?
Permanent i think, but that has not been confirmed yet
Metal Vocalist gets canned for saying something metal? The scene has gone soft...
Leftie libatard are damn soft sus I stand with CJ
A good amount of people thought lorna shore was done too after CJ mcCreery left and they're fine, im sure TAIM will be too. At worst they'll fall into the same trap that Suicide Silence fell into and i still enjoy their music so to each their own. Really sucks though i feel like CJ really added that edge to TAIM and his vocals were insane, so hopefully he gets into another band and makes great music again. I've always found it important to separate the art from the artist because lets be honest if you knew everything about someone you really liked, you really wouldnt like them anymore.
Wait. McCrerry was in Lorna between Tom and Will?
@@iPiiZiiZ yeah it wasn't long but he replaced Tom when he joined Chelsea Grin. He's the vocalist on the Immortal album and they debated rerecording it with Will as at the time they fired CJ the album hadn't been released but they opted not to.
@@_formallyhappy Really only listened to LS older stuff and Wills. Had no idea CJ was for a bit. Gonna have to give it a listen now
@@iPiiZiiZ it's a good album in my opinion, but I much preferred CJ in Signs of the swarm
Let’s wait to see how long it will take for either person in the band to state their side in a video.
And like what Blaire White says in her podcast she predicts in the next 5-10 years hopefully people wake up and see how stupid they’ve looked in this time period. And this is coming from a trans woman. I wonder if she’s going to comment on any of this.
Ik heb altijd veel verhalen gehoord van vrienden die Thy art is murder hebben gezien
'Dude hijs een absolute monster live ze vocals zijn absurd bruut' dat wou ik dus eens mee maken. Ik had maandag een ticket gekocht voor hun gig 28 september in tillburg, ik helemaal blij en 4 dagen later word die er uit gezet
Ben bijna bereid een discount te vragen 🙄
CJ is live echt een beest, maar ik ga ook niet meer kijken nu, tgaat niet meer hetzelfde zijn want CJ heeft ook massa´s charisma on stage
Hear me out! If Tim Lambesis got a second chance. Why can’t CJ? let that sink in.
TRUE
I just came across Thy Art and did like the one and the other song. CJs voice is kinda outstanding and I hope he will find a new band. What he said was maybe a bit too graphic but well it is his opinion and I like that he stated his opinion on the matter. I feel the remainders of Thy Art are a very weak bunch of guys and I hope they will go down for letting their friend down just because of the public pressure....
But yeah it's really sad now, that even metal musicians now have to care about what they stand for in their private lives and need to polish their profiles like politicians... awful. I remember I never sticked my nose in the biographies of the musicians of the bands I liked I simply consumed their Metal thats it. Shame to see that all that woke BS now floods into metal.
Loosing your job for clearly transphobic comments is more than deserved. The band had no other option. Transphobia is a crime
But at least it's only a possible crime against 5-6 human beings on earth... So shut it@@metalpuppet5798
@@metalpuppet5798 clearly transphobic ? Are you stupid?
This is a bunch of shit! Like you said they are a Death Core band! Metal has always been controversial and now this band is giving in to the "Woke" crap in this world! It's only freedom of speech unless you say something about LBGTQ community! I admire your opinion on what the Trans movement is and it's out of control! I'm honestly not going to support Thy Art is Murder anymore because I refuse to support anything that gives in to this Woke shit! I also listened to the "Godlike" with the new vocalist and it just doesn't have the same power and conviction without CJ!
Question? Does the CD or Vinyl still have CJ on it?
@@FuriousMetal1968 the first CD and Vinyl pressings will have CJ on it due to how hard it is to make changes last minute, I say hold onto it if you end up grabbing a CD real soon because its gonna be a rarity if someone doesn't upload the CJ version in full.
Thy shart is murder,amarite
Goteeem
Thy art hasn't been good since the hate album
All the BS aside music is a business and what they did is not how you do business at any level.
The Red Shore > TAIM they should come back with cj on vocals n reclaim aus deathcore 👑
saw CJ wearing yeezee’s once tho💀
Hey all, big update. TAIM, staff and the record label are deleting comments from fans and people who
Don't agree with what's happened to CJ and the way the remaining members of the band have handled this.
I'm fine with that. No platform for those ignorant ppl.
@chrisp.14 you're special. No platform for people who disagree with your views eh? So only your opinion matters? Do you see exactly why people don't like people like you? Lmfao
I’m burning all my thy art merch and albums since they kicked a great vocalist from the band for what? Who cares.
Again, 100% on board with you there. Be your own person, do your thing, I have my life, you have yours, it's simple, be a good person.
I have never said I hate any of the alphabet soup people, as you said, technically you are one of them, great! The fact that as a straight male I'm apparently responsible for the hatred that is directed (apparently) at a group of people who doesn't happen to be straight is just mental. I just want to live my life, I happen to like women, great. I'm not sitting here telling you that you can't like guys or something, that's just wild.
Your use of the actual lyrics spells out a really good point and the fact that they somehow want to ignore that but direct hate at one comment on a social media platform, again, mental. CJ's later explanation video is what you would expect, a dude talking about issues from his perspective in a reasonable fashion. Guess what? He's a reasonable guy, he speaks his truth and it sounds reasonable. The woke mob never hears that stuff of course though, they just snake around and sensationalize anything that in their exclusive opinion: 'goes too far' and is in almost all cases based on something taken way out of context. Life is diverse and complicated, nuance is all around you, black and white only exists in a vacuum.
The woke agenda is the issue here, it's something that needs a serious helping of go away somewhere and never come back :P Cheers!
🫶🫶🫶
it's sad i feel like a lot of the people leaving comments on their instagram dont really care. i really feel like most people who follow their shit dont even listen to their music and just follow the choo choo train of trying to be relevant or in touch. i can never understand how people will get invested into following bands that they dont give a shit about dont listen to arent passion about. situations like this are genuinely frustrating and it feels like as usual people on social media just want to suckle on any drama they can find and it is so pathetic. people dont really care about you, they dont really care about the band members, they dont really care about anything they just want to stir the pot of shit indefinitely. reading these comments its just painfully obvious that most of the people in the discussion are just wasting their time talking about a band that they dont even fuck with.
just in general i think people should fuck off and go on living their shitty lives instead of infesting instagram and social media with their insufferable stupidity.
CJ made this band special and now they ruined this album I’m so fucking disappointed. Fuck cancel culture.
Where's the video he commented on?
The band already wanted to take him away, that's all it could be. Because it doesn't make sense why he was taken out of the band. Generation too sensitive to not accept other people's opinions
If the left bent to the core scene catches you off guard, you havent been paying attention to what they've been saying since hardcore
The first time he left the band I was so bummed and when he came back I was happy.
This time I'm like, yeah, this band doesn't deserve CJ... Fuck 'em!
What exactly did he say? And where did he say it? Can't find it. Lol
this band is dead now
so what exactly did he say?
6:09 or if it was on the internet, and he said that same thing about a politician, or some tiktok prankster or whoever, nobody would’ve batted an eye; people only cared because it was in relation to the lgbtq community😒🙄
I now identify as a death metal lead vocalist of a highly successful band. Do not question "my truth" 😂
7:50. Spot the fuck on. That’s all this is about; money. For some reason people think that upsetting like 10% of 1% of the world is going to cause them to go bankrupt, so they fold. Trans people are such a small demographic yet for some reason it’s the biggest deal that you upset them.
Appreciate you 👍... everyone has a right to an opinion. Who says he is wrong or right. Its literally fighting over an opinion. Seems like a right of passage to be cancelled by the opinions in charge.
"It's literally fighting over an opinion"
The opinion was that a woman should be burned to death.
Also, I'm not sure what else you think people have ever fought over except opinions (e.g. 'This piece of land belongs to me', etc)
IT'S BETTER TO BE A VOCALIST THEN A SINGER..... fuck me, in what kinda world we live .....
Thy Art is McMahon.