The Sidelining of Kate Sharma (Netflix Bridgerton Analysis)
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Netflix's Bridgerton Season 2 told the love story of Anthony Bridgerton (Jonathan Bailey) and Kate Sharma (Simone Ashley) but was Kate Sharma sidelined on her own season?
These are my thoughts!
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the writers failed Kate so badly. they were lucky Simone made the character iconic with how little she was given. And the showrunners' obsession with the featheringtons really needs to be studied like everytime they write they would definitely think "NOT ENOUGH FEATHERINGTONS!"
They gave us lady whistledown flashbacks but we didn’t get Kate flashbacks and she was the leading lady. That annoyed me
I didn't mind the Lady Whistledown flashbacks because I'm nosey and did want to know how she was running that operation 👀🤭 and ultimately it's Portia there was too much of for my liking. I'm perfectly fine with the amount of Penelope we got in season 2! 😊
@@LadyJenevia should have been less. Sideying NC a lot how she moved dureing s2.
THIS. I read Kate and Anthony's book prior to watching their season. I had some pretty significant problems with the book, for sure, but Kate was given a huge percentage of that book. I was so sad, watching the season (and especially the library scene) the first time, that Simone Ashley wasn't given anywhere near that much space for her Kate. She would have eaten it up. Heck, she ate up what little she was given.
Personally, I think that expounding upon her fear of thunderstorms would have been a smart (and delicious) extra layer of emotional drama. When Kate goes on that ride the morning after she and Anthony hook up, he wouldn't just be going to find her. He would hear the thunder and realize that she was terrified, alone, and exposed to her worst fear.
I really hope they explore her more in season 3. And Anthony too. If Portia Featherington can have a huge chunk of their season, they can have a sizeable chunk of Penelope's season.
Simone was done _so_ dirty. As a brown fan, Kate getting undercut, compared to s1 which shared space between Daphne and Simon, and her whole family losing out on time to the damn Featheringtons felt like such a betrayal of what the show promised! I love Nicola since Derry Girls, but Penelope (and Portia) got _far_ too much airtime compared to Kate, Edwina and Mary when it wasn't even their season to begin with! Even Anthony with his overbearing elder brother/failed romanc sideplot did not get so much airtime in S1.
Also while I'm glad they dealt with the racial element better than S1, the writers made some strange choices representing Indian culture (which I don't see discussed enough) by blending together practices from so many different parts of the Indian subcontinent that it felt _particularly_ odd not to have any flashbacks to Kate's parents and time in India. Where was her father from? How does Mary's mixed heritage affect her? Simone and Charithra are both Tamil (from way down South) and look very much so, but Sharma is a name more associated with Northern Hindi-speaking parts of the country. Kate uses a Bengali (from an Eastern region) address for her sister. The usage of tea and _haldi_ also have regional connotations, etc, etc. So do the sisters themselves have a mixed background?
It's quite unusual so it seems extra odd not to have any discussion of their past, other than to say their father was a clerk (iirc?), and that too raises so many questions about how the girls were brought up, right down to religious background. Kate seems to be the anglicized version of her original name and Edwina does _haldi_ but she's not wearing red at her wedding when they seem to be only having one church ceremony. Do the Sharmas _want_ to assimilate? Why do the sisters have different English accents? (Am I thinking about this too much? Maybe.)
It's really an testament to their performances that we could assume so much about the Sharma sisters' backstories. Anyway, I'm also happy Shelley Conn got Good Omens and Gen V last year to show her range after they wasted her!
I really have no issue with Penelope's season 2 material because she and Colin were next up (and Anthony had story that seemed fairly significant as a B-plot in season 1 so to me, there's an established foundation of setting up the next couple) but the financial woes / mines part was completely unnecessary EXCEPT FOR how it plays into Colin's character development and Penelope's struggles with her standing in the ton because both of those things play into them being set up for their own season. You could've communicated all of that without Portia and the new guy getting the amount of air time that they got. They were the ones that needed to be trimmed down significantly. We didn't see a bunch of overly drawn out scenes of Penelope's father losing money in season 1. They showed just enough to communicate the issue and that was it. 👀
As for the Indian cultural aspects, I wouldn't be the right person to discuss that since I don't have the knowledge to be overly specific in the ways that you listed - and I don't want to overstep when those details would be better discussed from journalists, commentators, pundits, etc. who have the cultural knowledge to identify those things. ☺️
@@LadyJenevia Yeah the cultural stuff is pretty specific, so I don't expect most people to know it! I vaguely remember only one Vogue article getting into these nitpicks and asking for Kate flashbacks, while most critics were just happy to get any representation at all :/ I bring it up here because it's the sort of thing that could've been even 80% cleared up if we saw _one_ Kate/Edwina/Mary flashback back to India. Even seeing their house, get a sense of location and the props from a scene like that could potentially clear up so much of this type of confusion!
We also missed out on Mary’s story which is so important to the story. One real scene does not the story explain. The actress must have known the backstory or read the book because her portrayal of Mary had the layers and was perfectly subtle. 😂
I recently finished Bridgerton and was surprised to see the criticism of Indian representation. For me as a diaspora Indian there's so many clues that even as an Indian family they were a triple, maybe even quadruple culture household - but you are absolutely right that without actually seeing flashbacks of Kate's childhood we have no idea if the mixing we see is intentional or ignorant hodgepodge.
Allow me to share my headcanons, if I may. My parents are both from Kerala but my mum spoke a dialect so I picked up things here and there. I don't call my dad Appa like my paternal side, I call him Chachan. My maternal side call older males (like cousins) Chettan while I use Achachan, which means uncle in other parts of Kerala - same language but different words. So for the Sharma family, I assumed that they picked up different terms from different parts of their backgrounds. If Mr Sharma came from Bengal, it would explain his last name and Kate's darker complexion, especially if her mother was Tamil. Maybe he/his family moved to Bombay and he met her there. This would be why Kate uses Appa and Bon, Tamil and Bengali. Lady Sheffield may be North Indian, so that would be the language and traditions Lady Mary grew up. This may explain the haldi and Edwina's use of Didi, and she picked up Appa from Kate's use of it. Cardamom tea is popular in the south, so maybe Kate gets that from her mother (the way she makes chaiya is odd but maybe that's the best that can be done in Britain). The Christian wedding is definitely assimilating, but it may also be nuanced - Lady Mary was definitely raised Christian, but if Mr Sharma was the kind of Hindu practitioner that viewed Jesus as one of many incarnations of God, it wouldn't be too contradictory. Their accents are all over the place, but maybe that's a firm of code switching. It is wild that their performances could have me reading all this as obvious before questioning it, but I really hope this mixing was somewhat intentional
@@summergirl4567 I also had to form similar headcanons but in my case it was so I could make it make sense because the show imo didn't do enough work to make it seem intentional, particularly because even dual culture households are still not so common now and would not have been at all in a historical setting (albeit one as ahistorical as Bridgerton lol). Here's where I'm coming from at this:
For instance, my grandparents are originally from Tamil Nadu and Kerala, but lived around the subcontinent from Pakistan to Burma pre-Independence. My parents grew up primarily in the North, even though their background is South Indian. So they speak multiple languages and we deal with dialect differences too, but there is some... consistency in language usage? I have family in Mumbai and Kolkata who are multilingual so I do have experience with seeing examples of this. (But it often made me quite different to most other kids in school.)
I know diaspora Indians can sometimes lose their mother tongue in a generation or so particularly in the West because of pressures to assimilate to English (this is not a judgement to be clear!), but that doesn't seem to be so common for the people who moved within the country, particularly in the past when people who moved around (who were not many) tended to gather in neighbourhoods with other Indians of their specific group. For example, Marwari and Gujarati communities in cities in other parts of the country, say even down South. Anyway, applying this language stuff to the Sharma family...
If Kate and Edwina's father is Bengali, why do they _both_ call him appa, which is Tamil (which matches the actresses' ethnicity)? They lived in Bombay so it makes sense Edwina learnt Marathi and Hindustani, as Kate says, but if they say didi/bon at home, wouldn't she also speak some Bengali or Tamil too? They probably would have lived in an immigrant or a government officers neighbourhood with people who spoke more than just Marathi, I would imagine.
Again, agreed that her way of making tea struck me as odd! (and btw this here is just a personal nitpick, but I thought there was a missed opportunity to do something with coffee, since Kate potentially being half-Tamil puts her background in one of the few areas in the country that leans more towards coffee than the typical chai, something ppl don't tend to know with the India=chai message that is very prevalent but anyway that's a teeny tiny nitpick of a missed chance.)
Anyway, what I was trying to get at with the wedding observation was that it was just a bit surprising that while they did _haldi_ it was still a straightforward western style Christian wedding right down to the dress, when there was a chance to go red or even Malayali white, or to do something Indian Christian style given Mary is Edwina's mum. (That's what I meant by assimilation, not inter-religious marriages in general, which would be something Mary and Kate's dad did.)
Maybe this comes off as a mess of thoughts but what I mean with all this put together, is that it felt to me like the writers didn't put enough _intentionality_ into fleshing out the Sharma family, their history and their background. Like, they didn't completely think it through, partly because the lack of backstory elements meant they maybe felt like they didn't have to. And partly because they wasted too much time on Featherington mining subplots to fully flesh out Kate's past as much as I wished they had.
I'd rather they'd focused on a region or two instead of trying to cram in as many Indian regionalisms haphazardly into the family which made it come off as clunky imo, going all the way to the choice of name, Sharma, which feels like the sort of generic Indian name you'd expect from white writers who don't know there are regional cultural specificities. (Confusing, because S2 definitely some had South Asian writers!) Like, it's possible but very unlikely that their Bengali or even Tamil family name would be Sharma. It's too stereotypically Hindi and while Mary's mother could pull a name like that off, none of the rest of the Asian cast can.
Not giving Kate a proper backstory is the greatest injustice. Shondaland needs to pay for her crimes. 😡
Thank you for this!
How did we not even get a flashback for Kate??
We should have seen her with her father and the impact of his death on her development. That would have been a gorgeous parallel to Anthony’s core story.
Kate deserved more background story, no doubt. It would have elevated her as the romantic counterpart to a Bridgerton.
This always bothered me even though I’m obsessed with S2.
Kate and Anthony’s chemistry kept a lot alive despite the storytelling problems.
Season 2 is riding HIGH ON VIBES. Truly, the vibes CARRY and that's why I still have so much fun rewatching it even though I have issues with some parts of the execution.
I really hope they at least give us more of Kate’s story next season
She is now lady Bridgerton so she will probably be in all the upcoming series.
That's the plan.
I'm so happy you did this topic. I loved aseason two becauee of the fantastic Simone Ashely and Jonathan Bailey but it always rubbed me the wrong way that Kate Sharma never got the full character arc and focus that the character deserved.
Absolutely right. When I watched the thunderstorm scene I wondered how the scene of Kate’s defining moment with Anthony turned into Anthony’s scene. It denied both a crucial moment but mainly Kate lost her’s!
@@maciedixon3983 they forced upon us the Featheringtons. Nothing more contrived than that.
Add me to the list of people watching season two who fast forward most of the Featherington scenes. Such an annoying storyline, and totally agree we were short changed by not getting Kates backstory. It was an important part of the book, explaining her past and how it has informed her present. Love your 'rant' Lady Jenevia you should be one of the screen writers for Bridgeton.
I know that with more or less ANY adaptation where you go from print to screen you have to trim things down because of the differences in mediums and how information is conveyed, the audience's idea of 'pacing', and so on and so forth... but when you SET A BLUEPRINT with season 1 in which Simon (the non-Bridgerton-family-main-character of that story) has all that material and then you don't do the same for Kate you can't be surprised when the audience reacts poorly! I'm not even married to the source material for the show to a significant extent and even I have an issue with the execution. 👀
Honestly, I havent even read the source material for the show and I felt the Kanthony love story was not given sufficient airtime in season 2. I now realise that I felt that way because Kate especially didnt get the context of why she was doing conveyed through showing the way Simon did. They did tell us why, but honestly telling lacks the emotional resonance of seeing relevant flashbacks play out on screen. Thanks for this video Lady Jenevia. It has answered many questions for me
agreed! Featherington BS was a side story that monopolized the entire season 2 so much so I felt Anthony and Kate were the side story. :( So much tension, so much chemistry, so much angst, the most dynamic characters with such rich, deep backstories. None of that was explored for Kate, so weird. Anthony's backstories were really well explored.
I agree with what you have said. The Featherington story did not need time and was a waste. Kate deserved so much more back story. The bits from the book were essential that they left out.
Not just Kate but even Anthony’s whole problem as to why he does not want to chose a wife with his heart was summed up in a line. And pushing anthony and edwina to a wedding day idk abt you but after watching so many bollywood films it just felt unnessecary
Also i remember in tbbt raj said the brits just don’t like indians at all! That’s it
I'm still fine with the wedding drama, partially for the mess 😂 but even more so if they will stop playing games and GIVE ME A FRIEDRICH/EDWINA SPIN-OFF...
Regardless of my desire to see as little as possible of the monarchs ever again in this universe I DO like the whole thing of Edwina being able to calm the king down, that was a big moment for her and the wedding drama facilitated that.
I've only read books 1-2 but I'm more than understanding of the fact that the show is an ensemble piece whereas the books hone in waaaaaaaaay more on whomever the main couple of that story is. However, as repetitive as it might be to reply with this point - if you're the main couple of the season, you should get the most air time without major parts of your story being chopped in favour of an EVILLLLLLLLLLLLLLL woman! A significant portion of the audience isn't there for you to overly explain the logistics of a B or C character's financial drama. We're there for romance and VIBES!
Also, the difference in material for Simon and Kate just became too glaring for me to ignore when doing my rewatches so this video was the result. 😆
I honestly don't expect to feel as strongly about this point of discourse though now that I've made a video - it's the same way I feel more calm about people being weird about Marina and Edwina. If I've made a video explaining my points thoroughly enough, I don't feel like I have to keep explaining them. 😂
yeah Anthony's view on marriage made a lot more sense when I read the book
@@LadyJenevia Thank w! I so agree with your analysis! And especially thank you for highlighting the evil treatment Marina received. I felt so sorry for her. Dissed by Mama Featherington, assaulted, then outed by the very person she thought was her friend. Anyway, I too wanted more of Kate’s backstory! Great analysis!
Yes. I wanted more Kate! More Sharma family! Can I at least know the name of Papa Sharma? Or her birth mother's name? How about a flashback of her taking care of the family when Mary was dealing with depression. I want to see BB!Kate and BB!Edwina!
More Sharma's and less Featheringtons.
Also, why are people constantly giving hate to the actors?
YES TO ALL OF THIS, I’ve been screaming this to the mountain tops. Each time I rewatch S2, the Featherington storyline imbalance becomes more and more obvious. I just hope this issue is corrected going forward, and that we at least get a little more Kate & Anthony this season to make up for it.
Kate’s fear of thunderstorms wasn’t concluded well in the book. Mary finally said that her biological mother died during a thunderstorm and Kate was immediately cured. However I wish they showed how Kate struggled after her father’s death just like Anthony did. How she worked hard to provide for the family. How she raised Edwina. How she rejected any marriage prospects that came in her way.
They really took nothing but names from TVWLM. They didn’t address the whys of either character’s trauma. They also sidelined SA in promo as well. Covers were given to other characters. No solo promo and if there were interviews with the leads, it included “Edwina”. They made the season centred on her and even made a good portion of the GA hate Kate for it. I think a lot of the hate the actress gets is from people who self-insert themselves in stories and can’t picture themselves as her because she’s so tall, brown and gorgeous. They kept her out of the s3 announcement that lead with JB’s “2 to 3” finger gesture. Not in the VDay promo. So much I could rant on.
It's so obvious that they used S2 to set up for the coming spin off and season at the expense of Kate (and Kanthony) character development. The lead actors saved the abysmal season yet the TPTB still think the feathers family who pulled those views lol.
What is "TPTB"?
@@LadyJenevia the powers that be AKA the people who run the show. I am old school.
Exactly the library scene was done dirty! That is my favorite scene in that book!
I'm so glad i clicked this. I was thinking "how was she sidelined" but when you compare her to the Duke of Hastings and the Featherington story--- she definitely was. WOW.
I blame Chris and the writers for season 2. He proudly said that none of his writers had read the book. So of course they didn't make any effort to understand Kate as a person and why she is the way she is. Though I will say that show Kate Sharma is more on the self-sacrificing end then Kate Sheffield, whose main problem is low self esteem. They both care more about Edwina and Mary than about themselves, but show it in different ways. I could have done without meeting the assshole Sheffields if it meant we got to see Kate's mother.
You said it for all of us. Thanks!
Pls don't sideline Kate and Anthony!
Agree to much featheringtons and not enough about Kate’s backstory. But I would be happy if in the next season there is a scene of Kate and Anthony in India breaking out in a Bollywood dance!! 💃
Love seeing this video bc it's everything that I agree with. Kate is such an iconic and fascinating character, she's relatable and likeable but we get next to NOTHING on her background, history or even culture. First of all, she and Edwina are a bizarre blend of random Indian culture pieces from their names (Sharma being a northern name) to them referring to their dad as Appa (A tamilian term, somewhere both actresses come from). We don't get much on their dad despite him being an obvious important and pivotal role in Kate becoming who she is (in the same way as Anthony) nor anything on Kate's mother aside from the bangles. We needed a flashback episode for her and it felt lazy that we didn't get one or much about her. We didn't even get a wedding scene or Post-Marriage Kanthony. We needed extra episodes and less side-stories instead of a very large scandal then a confession and a flashforward to them being happily married and either on or after their honeymoon.
CVD and the new show runner both have said that part of the reason you didn't get certain scenes in S2 because half the book takes place after they get married. Simone Ashley even said that they are exploring her background more in S3. Also in the book. Kate doesn't know why she is afraid of storms. It's something she and Anthony find out when they visit Mary later in the book.
Finally! I never thought of it as sidelining but this explanation is so much better than me just running around telling people about fears of thunderstorms and why that was important to Kate's character and why I personally thought S2 is not 'as good' and some people seemed to think who hadn't read the book yet. The whole damn time I'm watching S2 I was in it just like everyone else but I had this nagging feeling like they were doing Kate a bit dirty by not exploring her more. I mean hell yes I loved S2, of course I did, but being a fan of the books it honestly felt a bit like a letdown for me. Now I can at least direct them a video that explains quite a bit of what I was thinking.
I know Simone Ashley said she wants to see Kate be “heartstrong” instead of “headstrong” in the next season and I really hope that happens 😭 also I just wanted to say I love that you always make sure to say not to hate on the actors… I know of exactly one actress (Lena Headey) who likes the hate she got for role & that’s just because she really only loves to act/not the fame part so isn’t constantly approached by people. But I think if you hate a character that much you should actually love the actor for doing such a good job you got that invested 🤷🏼♀️
I do not in any way condone sending vitriol to creative people who are working hard to make entertainment fiction as well as they can. The majority of working actors, screenwriters, etc. ARE NOT making the amount of money people think they are. Even if you have one job that's massively popular like Bridgerton, that doesn't mean you're going to have all your jobs be that high-profile and I HIGHLY DOUBT any of the actor/screenwriters of this show are making fair residuals for their labour.
There are so many other people in positions of significant power (in and out of show business) that are doing actual harm on a massive scale and it's more productive to direct any/all ire at them instead. Even if I'm posting a critical opinion about Bridgerton, at the end of the day my videos are supposed to be a good time, entertainment, etc. If people want to listen to me for a call to action, I have donation links in my description box.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 thank you! The featheringtons aren’t even that big of a presence in the books (that I’ve read)! The cousin/mine guy is completely show created and flames on the side of my face! 😡
Agree with everything you said 1000000000000% I literally just finished watching Bridgerton season 2 like 2 weeks ago and I was instantly hooked, I've re-watched it so many times. At first I thought it was perfection but after re-watching it for the 5th time I realized just how much screen time the featheringtons have because I'm constantly fast forwarding their parts. It would've been so much better like you said to have more back story to Kate, this is why I've had to watched videos like this because I didn't feel like we got enough of her story. I'm ordering the book and hoping it will tie me over until the next season and I hope they do more justice with Kate this time around.
Yaaaaaas girl! This is everything I've been thinking and getting all worked up over during rewatches. The Featheringtons taking over the whole dang season and cutting when Kanthony was vibing just frustrated me. I skip all their parts on rewatches and go straight to Kanthony scenes...which on rewatches, made me realize just how little of Kate we actually get.
The fact that they're having all that tension on the dance floor and Anthony starts freaking out about Kate saying she's going to leave after Edwina is married and we have to CUT AWAY TO THE FREAKING (non-Penelope) FEATHERINGTONS before we get to see the continuation of that where Kate and Anthony have that super-charged "confrontation" 👀🤭 that Daphne walks in on IS UNFATHOMABLE TO ME. It's literally THEIR SEASON and we should be following that tension from the dance floor immediately to them being alone in a room together... UNCHAPERONED. ‼️
@@LadyJenevia💯
I felt that mine rant on a SPIRITUAL level
I came in defense of Kate Bridgerton and I stayed for the Benedict love supremacy. ❤ (I checked your other Bridgerton videos....I am sat on this channel from now on)
oh. my. god. this is soooooo true, i loove book 2, and in the show they went and
1. disregarded the trope, and made it a cringey love triangle for no reason whatsoever.
2. they excluded some of the most important and pertinent scenes(the library, the drawing room, the flashbacks and nightmares... )
3. undermined Kate and Anthony and made then just two horney teenagers there was not nearly enough conversations and cute banter, no bonding, just lust and sexual tension( i wound mind if it wasn't just so misplaced at times). of of the show alone i didn't see a reason for them to honestly and genuinely fall in love other then lust maybe.
4. did not capture the essence of the book which is about two responsible empathetic people who care about their families above all else overcoming their fears and becoming each others safe space, at times it felt like it was a completely different srory
the craziest part is someone on yt put together all of the kanthony scenes at the video was literally 25 mins. like 25 mins over eight hours of content? honestly they are bc they have all of us in a chokehold in literally 25 mins 😭
Did they do one for Simon/Daphne? Cause Bridgerton IS a large ensemble and I would like more data than just "25 minutes of screen time" to analyse and compare. 😂
Simone said she spent 11 months filming on S2 set,but they just show us crumbs about Kate
I saw a video proving that the main p'ot gets as much screentime in S1 as it does in S2. But I would add :
- the main couple don't get much characterization outside of that (and for a new character like Kate and her family that means they don't get as much depth)
- and since the main plot involve a "love triangle" and dragged hate-to-love formula there is less time for the actual romance between the main leads, as in not enough connecting moments and all that stuff (which in my opinion makes it less believable) and certainly not enough time for the rewarding swoon worthy moments when it's all settled
The issue is not as much because of the screentime as much as the writing in my opinion.
Though I would agree that a little less Featherington screentime and a little more actual background for the new characters and some "connecting" moments between the leads would have helped.
Finally someone who sees what I‘ve been trying to say since it came out!
Yes, I totally agree with your analysis 10000000%. I just skip the scenes with Featherington since they are too much, also about the efforts of Elouise trying to find out about Lady Whistledow. I just see Kanthony scenes or those related to them. Kate needs to be explained in more scenes about her background and her vulnerability as well. I hope in Session 3 we can get the more satisfying scenes about Kanthony 😍
I do think the Eloise subplot is important because Penelope was next up to have a season and the two of them having that fight in the finale is a good set-up (I'm guessing, since I haven't season 3 yet) to whatever they'll do with Penelope being Lady Whistle down.
If I had to guess, I think the reason they didn’t show us much of the Sharma family is because the show runners didn’t want us, the audience, to get too attached to them. Because Mary and Edwina are tied to Kate, their story ends when Kate’s does. That and since the show made it obvious how much Anthony and Kate have in common, mainly their responsibility as older siblings, the showrunners thought maybe whatever problems Anthony had, Kate had them too. Except that’s not entirely correct. Yes, they have a lot in common but there are a few minor differences between them. I’m gonna sound like Eloise here, but Anthony is a man and not just any man, he is a viscount. He is financially and socially secure. And he has a big family. Kate on the other hand is a woman. She is part of a smaller family. In season two episode one, we learn (only a little though) that her father was a merchant, so her family isn’t as financially secure and they are not high in the social hierarchy. It’s the reason why Lady Danburay is sponsoring them.
Meanwhile, the Featheringtons have been with us since season one and if I had to guess again, they wanted to focus on the characters they’ve already set up and season two was supposed continue their money problem-arc and prepare them for season three. Except, they failed to do that or didn’t realise how little we cared about the Featheringtons except for Penelope.
Plus, I think they have been trying to set up a foil-dynamic between the Bridgerton family and the Featherington family. One family is loving and supportive, the other is dysfunctional and in financial ruin, we see how both Lady Bridgerton and Lady Featherington try to marry off their children etc.
With all that said, it still a shame we didn’t get Kate’s backstory. So far only the men have gotten backstories and motivation for their actions and it’s not really fair. Yes it helps to tell the story, but so would the women. Everyone was so sympathetic to Anthony’s struggles and while people still sympathised with Kate, I think it would have been nice to see were she came from. And I’m not just talking about India.
Very interesting. It makes sense, I had also thought about that. They don't want viewers to get too attached to characters that move on, however Kate's story doesn't end in season 2, she's coming back for Season 3 as head of the family with Anthony.
Just like season 1 where only Simon that got backstories but Not Daphne
I know Kate will return in season three and she and Anthony will have some stuff to do, what meant was she won’t be the romantic lead anymore.
I am sure she going to be sidelined once again. The production couldnt even mention her name during the Valentines event@@fizzymozz
This!! All of this!! I prefer S2 over S1 (I like the trope more-just my preference). Having rewatched S2 multiple times because I now have an obsession with Bridgerton, I do appreciate The Featherington subplot more. At first, IDGAF. Srsly, it was annoying. I was like give me my Kate and Anthony enemies to lovers romance. Give me more Kate!! But now, being more attached to the characters after each rewatch and looking at ALL the dynamics. Having The Bridgerton and Featherington family mirror each other to me is important. Showing how Theo and Eloise come from different backgrounds is important. Genevieve Delacroix, an independent business woman during regency time, had to be tied in somehow. Will Mondrich starting a pub business from scratch and competing with a long standing*cough* white business. I mean so many characters, didn't even touch Benedict's storyline, already established that should have character development. I hate that Kate's background wasn't explored more. I mean 8 episodes, wth, why not 12 am I right? Because Kate will be in S3, I hope they explore her more. Outside of what she has in common with Anthony. I mean there may be some culture differences and finding her footing as a Viscountess instead focusing on being Edwina's caretaker/guardian (Seriously, how did anyone not sympathize with Kate when Mary looked horrible? The stepmom was not dialed in at all.) Anyway, I think shifting the focus makes the universe more alive and you can see a bigger story being told. My opinion tho. *cough* I loved Queen Charlotte! Can't wait to see more from those characters as well even though it seems that's an issue for some people.
I feel the same way about all the older ladies ... the queen, lady danbury, lady bridgerton, and portia... dont care to know what happens with them, wish theyd cut all their scenes, and i dont care for the actresses either.
Lady Danbury and Queen Charlotte are fan faves. I’m afraid you’re in the minority either this sentiment.
You know, I didn’t understand why I couldn’t connect with the season 2 love birds, but that makes so much sense. I wish I got more on Kate
Same!
I think it’s the amount of episodes they produce 8 isn’t enough, if they did maybe 10 - 12 would be much better to expand backstories for the characters on their seasons.
That would still involve the higher-ups and not the actual creative team credited on the show because if they don’t expand the budget to afford doing 10-12 instead of 8, the creative team would have to stretch the budgets too thin to maintain the quality across 10-12 episodes. Not to mention the very essential component of paying everyone’s wages FAIRLY, so… no matter what issue the viewers have it always goes back to the top of the corporate food chain. 🙃🤷🏻♀️
I hadn't rewatched Bridgerton until this month and let me tell you, I had forgotten the entire mine side plot, I had even forgotten what's-his-face. So that's how impactful it was.
As *obsessed* as I am with Season 2 (superior to 1 in almost every way), this is all very valid. More and better Kanthony/the Sharmas, Netflix! **throws mug down and yells "another!"** 😅
I agree with you on this. I rewatched season 2 today and she was talking to her mom about her taking on responsibility when her dad died. Like can I see that? My only thought is that they were going to do that and covid ruined it. They could have wanted to use child actors for those scenes. The UK had a pretty strict restriction with covid and children. Even in the anthony flashback they didn't really show the other children too much.
"The UK had a pretty strict restriction with covid and children." See THAT is a valid reason if that was the policy in place. I'd still say they could've found ways to work around that better than they did such as doing POV-filmmaking where the camera shows us glimpses of Kate's birth parents (which would only require adult actors playing those characters) and also we could've simply had MORE conversations about what happened than we got. Kate could have TALKED TO ANTHONY about the experiences of losing each of her birth parents at some point in the season! Even if it wasn't in the library, the fact that they didn't talk about it even ONE TIME but we had to see a million scenes about those gd mines?? NO! 🙃
Agreed. Hopefully, they listen to viewers and give us what we want for Kate/the Sharmas in season 3 and beyond. And I agree with the Featheringtons. You know it is bad when when so many people, including myself, rematch the show skipping that storyline. They could have given that very valuable screen time to literally anyone else, and I would have liked it more.
I was so irritated to see those Featheringtons faces on the screen and I skipped their scenes.. zero contribution in overall plot development as well as in overall Kanthony lovestory..why they did not show their female lead’s backstory is beyond me.. there cannot be any possible explanation for this stupidity.. i have zero hopes for getting her backstory in S3
I don´t love the O´Featheringtons subplot but i also don´t hate it. I think it´ts important for Pen as being the lead of Season 3. Bc now the Featheringtons are still kind off broke and now there is no man to support and take care of them at all which makes the Lady Whistledown stuff now even more important to Pen. But I still agree that it could´ve/should´ve been shorten (not completely left out) and that we we should´ve gotten more about Kate and the Sharmas. I hope that we will get some stuff about Kates past and bio parents in Season 3 (obviously not a lot but at least a little bit), especially since now Anthony seems to be partially "healed" from his trauma and therefore might be stable enough to support Kate. Also I wish we would´ve seen how Anthony tells KATE why he did the things he did (not marrying out of love bc he was scared of causing the same pain his fathers death caused his mother or him feeling this pain if his wife should die), we as the audience know it but Kate never got a proper explanation
Thank you for this! I read the novel and even read an article that explained aspects of Kate’s character and story inspirations that were cut from the show, and I honestly can’t help but be pissed off bc of just how much Kate was done dirty in this season. Like, there were too many storylines in s2 that should’ve been cut, and the main couple didn’t even get to be the focus of their own season. I don’t like how Kate and her family’s culture was just fast-forwarded in a few sentences and scenes, and how the writers and producers decided to spend so much more time with the whyte side characters (at least side characters in the season) and flesh them out so much more than the female protagonist.
I think it’s heinous how they also dragged out the Edwina/Anthony storyline, bc it gave us almost no time with Kate and Anthony as an actual couple. We didn’t even get a wedding with them bc they wasted it on Edwina (even though it never got that far in the book) and then didn’t even give us lengthy insight into Kate’s life outside of wanting Edwina to marry well. I hope Edwina marries the prince I’m so serious.
It made me so mad that the Featherington family (who honestly shouldn’t be characters we see more than a few times per season) got more screen time and development than the Sharmas. If they wanted to do that ridiculous plotline, it should’ve been in s3 instead. I don’t think Penelope should’ve been revealed as Lady Whistledown to us as an audience or to any of the other characters until her season, bc it made me not feel anything for her or her feelings for Colin, since she’s constantly ruining other people’s reputations and lives (even if it’s conveniently temporary in the story), including the family of her “best friend” and the guy she’s been pining after for years, but is still playing the victim. Her “dragging” Colin for the fact that he said he wouldn’t marry her before and hasn’t been consistent isn’t the read everyone is acting like it is. Yes, chew him out, but where’s the smoke for her?! I hope Lady Danbury eats her up and I hope she has to GROVEL to Queen Charlotte and beg her forgiveness.
I did like the Featherington subplot, but only because I love Lady Featherington so much, she's my problematic fave c,:
I think it was included because there's a lot of set up for possible conflict in season 3 between Polin (he demanded that Lord F give back all the stolen money, but they're obviously keeping it and saying Lord F ran off with it) but for that reason alone it wouldn't have needed to be so excessive. MAYBE they did it to redeem Lady F for future plotlines, because she may be a horrible migraine of a person, but she ends season 2 as she did season 1; looking out for her daughters. Her little "You find things to love" speech to Marina, plus the "You don't care about these young Ladies" (choosing her daughters over a possible romance after a loveless marriage??? HELP i can't help but like her despite all the BS) to Lord F are some of my favourite character moments because they cement her as not just an annoying mom, but an actual person. HOWEVER. The show isn't called Featherington. While I do like this subplot, IT DID NOT NEED THAT MUCH SCREENTIME. Maybe make it like a one or two episode arc, not the whole season :(((
Additionally!! I think the reason we didn't get to see much of Kate's childhood may have been being her actress signed on for another season! Simon's did not. They're probably (hopefully) giving her more development in S3, maybe they didn't go too deeply into it yet because they wanted her to have something to do
@@merliiiinn nah it was racism and favoritism. Simone got isolated and shafted of her position as the lead. Fans continuing to downplay the situation are the problem.
As someone who fell in love with this show and made the mistake of joining the fandom, you are a breath of fresh air and the voice of reason✨
Edit: someone said they should have you in the writing room, and I absolutely agree.
Exactly I never watched the whole S2 because I skip past those annoying scenes that deal with the Featheringtons. It did get Colin a chance to be the hero. Could have been done less extensively
Kimiko is such a diva❤
It's her world, we just live in it! 🐈⬛🖤✨
I agree with you Lady Jenevia! They did Kate wrong and her family. It would have been great to see their backstory.
I am sick of the Featheratons, and in truth I am sick of Penelope and I am not looking forward to seeing her and Colin find love with each other because I don’t care. The both of them I find ridiculous. Colin with his selfishness and Penelope with her manipulation and secret mean girl tactics. I mean she never really got called out for how cruel and snide she was to Melina and I didn’t like how she ruined and embarrassed Eloise’s relationship with Theo. Penelope is not a nice person and Colin is dim. They deserve each other and I want them to go away, get married and leave the Ton . I would love for their relationship to be done in three episodes and then the rest to focus on Anthony and Kate’s love, a bit about her sister and of course Benedict path to find Sophie. I like Bridgerton as it is a frothy sweet treat, like a well made dessert watch, but I don’t have time for for cheap desserts, the type that look like good chocolate but are actually carob pretending to be chocolate.
Yes, to all of this!
I think you misunderstand their characters.
Or maybe it's just personal taste.
Anyway, let's hope, for ev2, that S3 will be better written and will find ways to do Kate more justice.
Welcome back love the video
How do I send this video to Shonda? She needs to hear this and do better!!!
Maybe you could send it to Shondaland email or something 🤷♀🤷♀
🚨 DO NOT DO THIS 🚨
I alsowanted to see Kate's childhood before and after her father's death
that cat Is GORGEOUS!!!
The season was so good i didn't even realize until after it was over that we didn't see a single kate flashback 😂 i hope we get it in season 2
Facts!!!
Finally a video about this.
So I would have liked to have learned more about Kate as well. But I think because Kate was born and raised in India they would have had to go to India. And if they film this around the covet time that would have been extremely difficult. But it would have been nice to see like her mother and father. Maybe her father and stepmother edwina's birth. But I think because it would have had to all been done in India. It would have been really difficult during time of covet if they did. Cuz everything was filmed in England and India, it's very difficult to film in at least, so I've heard especially during a pandemic
We don't need to go all the way to India!!
Just use CGI or build a set!!
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Season 2 is my fav! Love Kanthony
Thank youuu! Happy to have you here! ☺️🙋🏻♀️
I've had to download the frikkin season because my internet couldn't keep up with the extent fast forwarding I do when watching season 2 😤😤
i hope netflix shares the most fast forwarded durations with the show makers 😑
I would love to see more of Kate interacting with Penelope in st since they left that out of s2.
More sad that Edwina got SUPER sidelined.
Well said
i really hope i get to see flashback scenes with Penelope and Colin on how they first met, i would die if i dont see it
And, YES please for more kitty content 😻🐈⬛😻🐈⬛😻
I loved the book and felt betrayed by the show.
I've been wondering if her background was cut because of how unavoidable the violence of colonialism in India might be?
Yeah I highly doubt that’s the reason - nothing in this world is historically accurate.
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I haven't read this book. And I don't plan to. Do I can't compare.
But I do think the writing for them in the show was not good enough. I couldn't get into Kate's and Anthony's story and couldn't. Rewatching it made it better but there's still something missing from me (and it's not the actors talent!).
I see what HE sees in HER (love at first punchline and all that follows) but I can't see how/why she falls in love with him. In my opinion, there are no proper "connecting" moments between them outside if snarky banter, competitiveness, and breathing each other air for their love to be believable.
I agree that they needed more development, as deserved the Sharma family. And while I didn't mind it, the Featherington (not Penelope's but the Featherington) subplot took up some time that would have benefitted the main plot.
I was also supremely annoyed by how far they let the Edwina/Anthony thing go... Again, if this mascarade had stopped sooner, there would have been more time to develop the main romance properly. A little not banter talk here, a short flashback there between sisters/mother and daughters about them, the past, the future, etc...
Banter is their love language for me 😂😂😂
When they bantering...they hear no one at all. Just them.😅
Out of the Featheringtons , Portia is actually my favorite. I love the actress and i love her interactions with Violet for example. I wish they removed the horible corsets from this actress's wardrobe and give her more substantial plot like they did for Violet and Lady Danbury (with them all itneracting together). Nobody cares, but i still Hate Pen/Collin and i can't believe we will get 2 part series for their love story ( something like 16 episoded) when for my fave story Kate/Anthony we only got about 4 episodes of a season (and it was 90% Edwina centric). All the big reveals, all the dramatic scenes were for other characters, Kate even spent a full episode in a coma so not even awake...The criticism for the lack of Kate backstory and sidelining her was always there, people just didn't realize or care.
honestly it (slightly) bothered me how no one could say the sharmas name right! its a very common name and its pronounced shuhr-mA (the way you said it and NOT shAA-rmA). and i dont care if they dont roll their R's but this is basic i mean it takes 2 seconds to figure it out
I was never ENTIRELY sure what the correct pronunciation of it was but I honestly just guessed based on having briefly met some people before that have immigrated from India and hearing their names? 😅
Agree and agree!!
I hate portia n jack storyline. Nothing come out from it. Totally wasting time. Portia will be in next season with pen. Give mary more time with her children. At least...after the failed wedding...mary could hv heart to heart with kate again. She shove kate off 😭😭.
We never got apology from edwina for calling her half sister - it really bother me.
And the library scene...i agree. They should explore more..when kate mentioned storm and connect it with his father...give them info to tell..to speak to connect with each other. Elaborate more!!!!
Such a waste of beautiful scene.
Sharma family got less time than featheringtons, Eloise/ whistledown and even to some extent mondrich family which was becoming irritating sometimes to be frank, there is so much i just skip when i watch s2 now.
kimiko 🥺
Kate is my favourite character :) I didn't quite enjoy Season 1 (especially episode 5, the poor servants having to see that!) and I do feel Season 2 was a lot better in terms of captivating leads and developing future storyline. That's just my opinion of course :).
I also agree the Portia mines storyline could have been condensed a lot more, I don't mind Portia's character, it just wasn't the best storyline. Now, Kate's backstory with flash back scenes...that would have been amazing
Kate did not appear in season one because in the timeline before Daphne met Simon, fell in love and married him, Kate and Anthony had not met yet, but maybe you didn’t know that since you haven’t read the the first book in addition to rest of the books (except book 2) yet. Some books and stories overlap but that is not the case with Anthony and Daphne stories . I do agree it’s a shame they didn’t show more of Kate’s back story and her specially the library scene as it was in the book, Love Kamkio and would love to see her much more in the videos , what a sweetie!❤
I personally do not like kate and anthony's book, but season 2 was an entire mess. they did a disservice to their story, which was a million times better in the books (and that's saying a lot coming from someone who actively hates thta book).
I honestly don't mind the subplots in the season. if anything, the mr mondrich subplot is a lot more annoying than the featherington plot (let's be honest there), and it wouldn't have been as annoying for people in general if the kanthony story had been better.
TBH I was not a fan of K&A, for multiple reasons, and I actually enjoyed all the other side stories in S2 (😆#eachtotheirown 🤷#notsorry 😆). That is not to say I didn't have a _ridiculous_ number of criticisms of S1, but I still enjoyed it so much more.
However, I can't disagree with anything you have said in this vid - it looks really bad when laid out like this, especially when South Asian actors/characters are some of the least represented on TV, in romantic roles in particular. I will say though, that I saw a _lot_ of hate in some spaces aimed at Rege for the audacity of playing a white character, even some who were lusting after him.
Anyway, I must admit that you are making me more enthused about C&P's story than I would have been otherwise and whilst waiting, I *finally* have the unfinished story of Rick & Michonne from The Walking Dead to get to instead. I hope I'm not let down by that one. As always, TFS 😘
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I find it funny how nobody had a problem with Simon being black but people flipped out when they saw Simone as Kate. They said she can’t act, and that she acted wooden in the beginning. Like hello that’s how she’s supposed to be repressing her feelings.
Simone was fabulous and very beautiful in S2. We will see more of her as the new Lady Bridgerton❤.
They take problem with Simone Ashley's Acting...
MEANWHILE, I TAKE PROBLEM WITH REGE JEAN PAGE'S *"EYEBROWS"* ACTING
If we even really wanna talk about acting skills
Simone Ashley >>>> Regé Jean Page
@@adellianaura7910 haha I agree. I mean I was distracted by his looks and charm in Bridgerton that I forgot about his acting. Then I watched his other work and realized that he’s not that great of an actor 😅 and he got nominated for a golden globe just because he’s hot 🤪
To be fair, there were a lot of racists who attacked the show just for having ANY black actors. He didn't get as much hate as Simone, but there was definitely drama.
@@cluckcluckchicken yeah when the first trailer was released most of the hate went to Queen Charlotte’s character being black. But all that went away after the show became a success and Rege got all kinds of opportunities (SNL hosting, golden globe nomination). But the book readers still imagined Kate to be white and they started hating on Simone. The book fans were imagining Lily James to play Sophie for Benedict’s season. Then there was a rumor going on that a black actress is going to be Sophie, book fans started to hate on her as well. Now I’m seeing some hate on tiktok about John, saying that he’s not attractive enough 😐 it’s very frustrating.
I would have been fine with the Featherington subplot if it was constrained to just developing Penelope for the next season (because she’d get pressured to be married and have a son) but, so much of it could have been cut to give Kate and the Sharma’s a backstory. One scene of Portia making fake rubes then in passing have women of the ton wear the fake jewelry. They could keep Will calling that man a liar and Colin eventually helping Pen. Then, Colin’s betrayal would have hit harder.
Another thing I think messed with this season is that the threads weren’t connected well. With season 1, Daphne related to Marina’s situation and helped her. Anthony’s relationship with the opera singer was directly affecting his “man of the house”duties. I feel like Colin should have been more involved with Anthony’s plot somehow. And Kate and Eloise could have had more screen time together given how similar they are. That could have been a way to develop them.
They could have found better ways to connect the Sharma’s and Bridgerton’s while still leaving breadcrumbs for season 3.
I always skipped the Featherington B-plots because I DO NOT care. 😂Why are they force-feeding us that? At the most, I get giving us some kind of storyline because of their S1 arc, but it took up WAY too much time like you said. It could have been a smaller C-plot. I only watch some scenes for Pen and to understand her family dynamic better (and get how alone she is among her own family). But other than that, what's the point? Sure, it gave us a nice little moment with Portia saying how much she loves her daughters.
But they gave us hours and hours of pointless storytelling for a 2-minute heartwarming moment? I would have much rather watched scenes learning about Kate's backstory and how she came to be the de facto head of her family as a kid, where her sense of duty to her stepmom/sister came from, realizing she was an outcast for being a stepchild to her mom, her trauma on the day her dad died and how that made her grow up in one day, moving to a whole new country and cultural differences -- there was so much material to work with!
We were robbed! 😭
No, no. Simone/Kate were robbed! 😂 Hopefully we dive into this a bit more in s3.
Yes, they should have shown more of the Sharma's backstory! But even in the telling, they failed. It was weird that Anthony didn't ask how Kate's father died in the Library scene, nor was there an in-depth conversation between Violet & Mary regarding becoming widows during the Pall Mall game.
I'm with you on that Featherington storyline. 😑
Yay for Kimiko appearance in the last couple of videos. Also I'm hopeful based on some of statements Simone has made that they might show or mention more back story for her. There is an actress we know is in S3 that I really hope could be Kates mother in flashbacks. Certainly if Kate was pregnant that would be a good way to have her looking back on what little memories of her mother she does have.
The author has made a comment a couple of times in interviews highlighting that S3 has a new show runner and the fact she herself stated that the first thing they did in the writing room was list what book scenes folk wanted to see, makes me believe they know deviating so far from the book plot in S2, was not a good idea and that going forward, this new showrunner will be more loyal to the book plots than S2 was, fustrating for Kanthony fans but at least they can say, Jonny and Simone did amazing with what they were given and at least we know S3 we will see them happy and married, better than what the simon/daphne fans got
They did Kate so dirty especially compared to the book. It’s my favorite book in the series and they made such unnecessary changes to the fundamentals of the story. I was so upset by so many things but the fact that they made her look like a bad sister took the cake. They made it look like she betrayed and hid secrets from Edwina when Edwina didn’t give a flip about Anthony in the book and was happy when Kate and Anthony were getting married. I rewatched recently and it makes me want to scream still to this day.
Yeah, I haven't read the books, but I would have loved seeing Edwina willingly being a bridge between the two and just enjoying her book nerd life and all.
It could have been the setup for so much comedy.
I have screamed from the rooftops about how the Sharma’s were shafted. And Mary is the most egregious imo. Her characterization and motivations are so thin, virtually nonexistent and it’s especially annoying, because you really only needed like one or two scenes to make it work (I think if she was aware of the scheme with her parents, it would be perfect. That dinner scene would’ve felt much more cathartic). With Edwina, I like that they gave her better characterization than in the book but they did not do enough for her. My biggest issue with Kate, is that a lot of the characterization we get for her is as a mirror to Anthony, which works great for the love story, but not so much for her as her own character. But I am thankful that we get to see more of her in season 3
I love your videos on Bridgerton I feel like ur in my brain when I read the books and watch the show. I had these same notes ESPECIALLY about the thunderstorm scene in the library. I love these videos. SHONDA RIMES STAY AWAY FROM THE MINES!!!
Finally someone is finally talking about it.
the whole season 2 was a letdown, the book is SO MUCH BETTER why change so much where was the SEX? book 2 was so sexy not so the straight-laced season 2 they sidelined her because it was not her from the book they rewrote her
I’ve been wanting to say this since your first video complaining about the featherington and I might just say it now - I think they did that to address the money issue.. there’s a different explanation why they are still members of the ton in the books and where the money comes from. since they’ve changed it in the show, they kinda needed that subplot for that.. if they stayed true to the books in that regard, we probably could’ve skip that subplot altogether
Which money issue? The Featherington family having financial woes because of the father's gambling? Or some other woman on the show having to deal with money nonsense in this evil world where they can't be financially independent without 🤢marrying🤢?
@@LadyJenevia weeeeellll…. in the books we don’t have lord featherington. We had Felicity instead. their family wasn’t nobility at all. To be able to afford being a part of the ton much less afford a season they needed money. apparently got money from a relative but that’s just a cover up. it should be explained in book 4. It’s all wonky because you’re not supposed to know Penelope was lady whistledown until then. I’m trying really hard not to get into details but hopefully you’ll see what I mean when they release the season and then be able to read the book
That's broad enough for me to get a general idea without overly revealing things. 😆