Is Madvillainy the Citizen Kane of Abstract Rap?
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AVAA prof, but the suggestion that america’s most blunted and curls are “good but not great” made me cry out in pain
Same!
AVAA, I know there’s going to be some roundabout way where this makes sense and I walk away satisfied, but this title is crazy.
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@@Mamba4.8awesome video as always
This was something I feared being said when MF DOOM died. Because with someone as beloved as MF DOOM dying, there are bound to be people finding out about his stuff, wanna listen it because they hear it’s great, not pay very close attention to it if at all and shrug it off as “overrated”. I feel it’s a properly rated album. I feel like it’s okay for people to be hype as hell over something and for that to be the case without it being overrated
He's actually talking about how much he loves this album and speaks about Doom's past, etc, in detail, quite the opposite to giving it a cursory listen, solely to jump on a bandwagon due to his passing. Think you and your 45 likes are guilty of exactly what you criticised him of; not paying close attention. Read the video title and posted.
AVAA. To your point on the cheese of the first verse on Rhinestone Cowboy. I always saw the song as a commentary on the leak/refinement of the album. Everyone is cheering for the first drop, but even DOOM himself knows that's not his best work. That's why he says "no no no" and comes back with something even better.
Don't even suggest such a thing Prof
AVAA. Another thing I don't think I’ve ever seen mentioned is the context of MF DOOM's persona in the landscape of hip-hop at that time. In the 90s many rappers were (or presented themselves as) drug dealers, gang members, hitmen, etc. Then with rise of the early 00's hip-hop moguls and the "business" of hip-hop we see that evolve into being a gang leader or a mob boss - as a higher, wealthier and more powerful echelon of rapper. I think DOOM's choice to be a super villain is an extrapolation of that to its most exaggerated conclusion. In comic books the bad guy hierarchy would have a super villain as the mastermind behind everything and that places DOOM above the very business of hip-hop itself. I also think this fits well with your point about him not being that much of a bad guy - I think DOOM is using the persona and placing himself above/out-of-reach of the industry (note: an armoured mask) as a form of protection and escape from the era of hip-hop he was working in.
I believe MF DOOM was a huge influence on Aesop Rock. The farewell he & Homeboy Sandman made (Ask Anyone) mentions the perceived mentorship.
America’s Most Blunted and Shadows Of Tomorrow feature Quasimoto which is Madlib’s alterego and he achieves the high pitch sound of the voice from slowing down the record and rapping at a lower bpm then increasing the record to its normal speed for a higher pitch. The Unseen is another avant-garde hip hop classic where madlib is in this character
Unseen is always bumpin
avaa haven't watched it all but reading comments - I'm a huge hip hop / film fan and have been toying with a script comparing abstract hip hop to a certain film style for quite some time. Tarkovsky is pretty good, but Tarkovsky is so human and philosophical, which DOOM is too, but I think a more apt analogy has to be something with more abstract montage to reflect the style MFDOOM employs.
I propose MFDOOM is Godard and vice-versa.
Think of the famous shooting sequence at the start of Breathless. The way we're shown pieces of the gun to communicate it's about to be fired. The last shot runs down the length of the barrel, the shots been fired.
To me, this is analogous to DOOMs use of perspective. His exchange of various points of view, both across his discography but more so within individual songs, strikes me as the poetic equivalent of true montage, as employed by Godard (&others) and as defined by Eisenstein.
Take the end of one beer for example, each bar is like a disjoint shot. Each like a cell, only a part of a bigger whole, forming a more complete organism when absorbed together.
(I hope this makes some sense, I know my point is vague, over-thought, and under-drafted)
You should work the idea out more fully. Could be good
I totally agree. I like to refer to this style of lyricism as "non sequitur" rap where almost each bar sounds unrelated and disjointed but all together produces something emergent. Aesop Rock does this extremely well and I like to attribute it to him being classically trained as a visual artist. He tends to "paint" a series of images in your mind using his raps the same way a filmmaker uses montage to communicate a greater idea.
"As Bobby illustrates on the following splash page" - Aes.
AVAA, i love your perspective on hip hop and the people who say "i don't like rap but". I recently got tickets to go see Danny Brown live and my best friend was very dismissive when I explained why i like him. I feel like people always regard rap as some "lower" form of music and that is a big mistake
AVAA, your perspective is always interesting and you analyses thorough.
In regards to something you said near the beginning of the video, I don’t think that the majority of people who love this album love it just because it isn’t mainstream or radio-friendly. I don’t think it even has so much to do with the album being the antithesis of prevailing trends in hip-hop at the time. I think the lasting love for this album is born out of a love for the album format itself. It’s one of the most carefully sequenced albums I’ve heard, and the way that Madlib’s production creates an almost tangible space for DOOM to spit his rhymes results in an inviting and absorbing experience for the listener. It feels completely timeless, like it exists in a vacuum unaffected by the passage of time. The bars are definitely one reason for this, but I personally feel like the rapping is only a piece of the larger whole of what makes this album so genius.
AVAA, a couple of assorted thoughts, just yapping tbh
this video + the donuts one have convinced me that active deconstruction of album mythology is critical to a thorough examination.
part of madvillainy's enduring appeal is that it feels like a "home base" for people. friend of mine way back said that he felt that it was the ultimate rap album, that he can always go back to madvillainy cuz its always gonna satisfy. i just think it's interesting how easy it is to get cozy with this album after the first listen (you said as much yourself). in a way, i feel like Madvillainy is as much a "film bro" movie as a popular nolan film as much as it is Citizen Kane. maybe a reach. like its sorta the perfect thing for dudes to put on a pedestal and never get over.
doom's idea to "include one of the ladies" reminds me of how Lil Ugly Mane's character included a track he claims is "one for the ladies" on his album Mista Thug Isolation, but the joke is that it really isnt one for the ladies at all, its just a very horny, objectifying song. part of the satire/pastiche/parody/vignette of southern rap on that album (and yes it actually is satirical)
mm food and madvillainy defeat doom a little bit, in the sense that people arent inclined to venture further than that. its a shame because theres so many interesting dimensions to his broader work. NOT to say that everyone needs to go out and listen to everything he's done, just to say that i wish there was as much discussion on, the rich production, rapping, storytelling, structure, and aesthetic of Vaudeville Villain as there is for those two albums that are just continuously praised. ENOUGH already. i guess one of my biggest gripes with music discourse from young crowds online on massive platforms like tiktok is that somehow everyone only wants to talk about the most narrow stretch of music ever and its like cmon is the goddamn ocean theres so much out there why are we stuck on such a small universe of artists albums and genres. so in a way im just soooo SO very tired of the omnipresence of mm food and madvillainy, but damn they are fantastic records no matter what.
I like that you shout out Digging The Great. It's a really awesome channel with loads of brilliant videos.
AVAA didn't intend on watching this whole thing but was gripped by your commentary
Beautiful thoughts professor. I love that you gave him his flowers. Lyrically, peak for peak one of the better flows in the game but it still has lows
I would recommend you to try High by Madlib and Freddie ft Danny brown. Its one of my favourite Madlib beat and as you said you are sick of weed rap but this is an unique example of weed beat. Sample interpolation and drums are perfect on this and
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AVAA . MM FOOD, Born like this, Take me to your leader, Vaudeville villain, operation doomsday, etc. The list of classic, incredible albums under this mans belt is seriously impressive. I hope you get around to listening to them all even if you don't make videos on them. More people need to experience the amount of fun this discography is to listen to.
Also on the track fancy clown, the person who Viktor is gonna "stomp in the ground" is MF DOOM. He often beefs with himself and his other characters in his songs
His decade long run from Operation: Doomsday to Born Like This is almost unprecedented in the genre, he barely put a foot wrong and dropped classic after classic.
@@possessedsligI wouldn’t say unprecedented. Ghostface’s run is crazy too. The only ones with as many albums as them are groups or Kanye though. Curren$y, Lil B and Griselda/Mach-Hommy deserves mention too.
@@otterdonnelly9959 I did say almost
Some great art is immediate (or somehow it just hits you right in the context), but I think really great art does have staying power and rewards repeat visits, even if the first visit didn't hit. I found MMFood or Vaudeville Villain to be Doom's most immediate works, but Madvillain is one I can always come back to, and interestingly, Operation Doomsday is one that I come back to the most lately, since it's like touring a great cathedral mid-construction
AVAA Prof, a lot of other Madlib fans would recommend Pinata or The Unseen next (both great albums) but you should really try Madlib’s invasion of Blue Note! Truly Madlib at his remixing & creative best
Not sure if anyone shared it yet... the “Bistro” joint used a sample from an R&B joint from the 80’s by Atlantic Starr, “Second To None”. Whenever you get a chance, give it a listen. I think you’ll like it.
I downloaded J Dilla's "Donuts" after watching your video on him, and I think it might be my favorite rap album in my admittedly limited knowledge of the art form. To me it's almost not a rap album, but a post modern musical collage. Just brilliant. I think I'm going to have to give this a serious listen.
it's an instrumental hiphop album, but not a RAP album in my opinion, because there's no rapping
you're right@@tadknuf7979
Probably cause it isn’t rap and it’s a hip-hop album by a man of his craft!
Avaa, this is one of my favorite albums of all time. If you want to get more familiar with Madlib, Pinata by Freddie Gibbs features some of his greatest production. Also, his album with Dudley Perkins is fantastic (particularly “Falling” and “Flowers”).
"as dream has taught us, and we are brave to say"... AVAA
Jokes on you, professor! I have a bad back and I’m only 23. Btw, thank you for focusing on Uncle Meat cause of the Sleeping in a Jar sample. That was always my favorite MoI album! AVAA!
Love this album and this review is great. The use of Citizen Kane as a point of reference is spot on. The origin of the mythos that was constructed around this album is very fascinating, and like Citizen Kane it’s become almost as integral to contextualizing MF DOOMs career as well as the culture surrounding a sector of that medium/genres fandom. As per usual fantastic work!
Every single time you said "MF DOOM is like..." I said "D.B. Cooper" out loud.
I know you probably won't get to this one for a while if at all but Jpegmafia's 'Madvillany' is 'Veteran', short songs, no hooks, hard shifts. All his albums have wild shifts but that one in particular feels very close to Madvillian in structure.
Also, most may recommend MM FOOD but tbh that ones never really been my thing as much as I absolutely adore DOOM. Personally I'd recommend you check out King Geedorah and Victor Vaughn's work, those I always enjoy going back too especially for the unique production styles within his discography. The cinematic strings across 'Take me to your leader' are just fantastic, and the more industrial sci-fi odd things that Vaudeville Villain does with its production was the first thing that clicked with me on any DOOM project after giving a few a shot. And of course his first project is classic, although it doesn't work from front to back it's absolutely worth checking out.
AVAA! (ass video ofc❤️)
veteran is so good.
Although Born Like This isn’t my favorite doom project, the song That’s That is so mind bogglingly intricate that it warrants a video of its own.
Operation Doomsday has songs like Question Mark and Dead Bent that feel much more personal than doom typically gets.
Otherwise, mm food is my favorite album of his. It has such a joy to it, and it’s so ridiculously funny. I’ve listened to that record countless times and I still hear new jokes or clever double meanings in lines every time I listen to it.
Loved the review so many moments you accentuated and inspired me to listen to the album again for the gazilonth time. If you wrote the script in advance then Brad Pitt’s character in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood would be your doomposter imo AVAA
AVAA. Been waiting for this for two years now, let's go!
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I haven't eaten margarine in years, but I promise I won't do it ever again. Nice video as always
Good comparison, it's that way with music and movies, it's over in 45-90 minutes and that's not enough to form an opinion specially if that time you hear/watch it you're not focusing really; doesn't happen I novel for example where you might not feel the first 50 pages or 2 hours of reading but the genius develops as you go on in the journey of dedicating 8-10 hours to a piece of art, good art deserves that time, took the artista 100a of hours to condense something into 45 minutes, it's only fair for us to try and do our best, glad you did it but I was see why the reputation hurt it, it's specially the case with this album, something similar happened to me when reading a lot of classics, by the time you're into that 4th hour you just laugh and realize that yeah, some things are indeed classics for a reason.
Love the idea of problems coming from mastery too, very interesting
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Also omg, the doom mask revealing Kafkas face when your talking about how nobody cared til you put the mask on is such a jungian coincidence (it's not that word but can't remember it rn) full of meaning, amazing, you could say music nowadays it's poetry with a flashy mask, at the end of the day i think, if you respect life you respect beauty you respect art you respect music you respect hiphop you respect this album and you respect PROFESSOR SKYE🎉
Alex G always says “thanks a lot!” And smiles after people clap. It’s very cute
Madvillainy is good but I'm more of a MM.. FOOD and The Mouse & The Mask fan.
4:17 toby did not appreciate the cotizen kane disrespect 😂
AVAA, great review, good sir.
AAVA thank you much for giving Kool Keith his due!! I love them both dearly but Keith is my favourite rapper of all time and First Come First Served might be my favourite rap album
Curls and Operation lifesaver are great
@45:48 monkey sound, very important.
Interesting perspective on this episode Professor, don't completely agree, but very much appreciate your insight.
AVAA, I love this album and accordion is on every playlist I’ve ever made.
Side note, I was listening to Crack-Up by fleet foxes this morning after I watched this video. I remember your shore review from 2021 and it reminded me that I haven’t heard you speak on crack up yet. Considering how much you love referential music I think you really need to check it out if you haven’t yet
23:00 heavy agree, Born Like This is really his only truly villainous work and it's still quite cartoonish. Never understood why everyone called him so ominous and villainous, made me feel like they hadn't actually heard him rap
AVAA, considering your french and hip hop background, I think you're one of the few American who could do this album justice. In 2021, Nicholas Craven teamed up with fellow Québec artist, D-Track, and made an amazing album called Hull, for your own enjoyment, I suggest you listen to the lead single, Du Nord (the beat is so incredible, I would even suggest this song to non-french speaker), I'm sure you would love it! :)
In my opinion, D-Track is the best "active" french rapper, he's even made 2 or 3 songs with Akhenathon
(Oh, and also, there's like 20 to 30 DOOM and Madlib records that are must listen in my book, but I'm sure you'll eventually listen to those)
I love that album, reviewed it and even gave away vinyl copies of it! Totally agree, one of the best albums of the decade
@@professorskye Oh god, didn’t know that! Ill watch the review asap :)
calling both citizen kane and doom overrated... ohhh im be so pissed
but also im sure its going to be an AAVA!
AVAA! Would love to see you review MM Food, or just any other DOOM record. You understand him the best out of any content creator I’ve seen cover him
AVAA “Unodosiano “ I’m pretty sure is a line from a nursery rhyme-like chant sung by children when playing patty cake. I can’t remember the entire rhyme, but his delivery is most certainly in reference to that tradition. I wonder if they still play or if it’s been lost like most other things from the last of the go-outside-and-play-generation (90s/00s kids). AAVE
AVAA 5:50 MIDVILLANY is what you were looking for
It's an interesting question. Fortunately, I knew nothing about this album before listening to it, unlike when I saw Citizen Kane. I am surprised there is not a sample of Citizen Kane in Madvillainy somewhere. It's great when you're watching an old flick like The Wild One and you catch where the sample came from. So many times I have been like, "excuse me, I must go now and listen to Madvillainy."
5:48 Should have said Mid Villainy AVAA
Ghostface and DOOM have more than one song, there's one on the Adult Swim album, one on his later solo album, and then some singles like Victory Laps (which has a great Madvillainz remix, where folklore has it that the Z is stands for Yeezy producing the drums).
They did an album together that was never released, and MF produced several beats on the album Fishscale,including 9 milli bros, one of the last Wu Tang songs with an ODB verse. There's also a featuring of both on a BBNG Ghostface album.
Curls is a one of the greats in retrospective of his discography!
JJ DOOM (and extra songs on the butter edition)
AVAA please talk about more movies oh my god i would love a movie review channel or anything movie related i love when you talk about movies
Check out my spam channel, I talk about movies over there sometimes.
This what happens with the online slurping there’s blowback people start calling Madvillain and Kdot overrated
AVAA Review 93696 by Liturgy! Tons of philosophical depth for you to dig into!
Avaa, I’m sure everyone is saying this but piñata by Madlib and Freddie Gibbs is also incredible and worth getting into if you are looking for more incredible madlib production (and great rapping from Freddie)
avaa. check out 'borrowed time' by billy woods, chops up a sample from accordion and uses it as a jumping off point for a beautiful short story about death and aging.
I'll add - Listen to Today I Wrote Nothing in full if you haven't already. I find all sorts of vague MFDOOM references across woods discography, densely so on Today, I Wrote Nothing. Also, proff, you would have a field day talking about woods inspiration for that album. There's a great written interview about it, about how he got over his writers block at the time to make the album.
I'd say that The Cold Vein is.
AVAA if you haven’t checked out madlib yet you should listen to angles without edges. It’s one of many madlibs alter egos “yesterdays new quintet” and it’s like full jazz avant freak out craziness
Hey Skye, just a little request, would be great if you could make your Audio Mono in the future, feels really trippy when your voice is kinda weirdly stereo haha Not sure how it is on other videos, but it's kinda distracting, especially because left and right also seems to be flipped
hmm... not eve sure how I would do that!
I have never and will never consume margarine AVAA
AVAA. Scraggly surfing here. I can't seem to find any similar descriptors on par with 'salt n'pepper' to categorise these scraggles. Cinnamon sugar? ( envokes a characterisation that is a bit too enticingly risqué in my opinion. Definitely my favorite though.) Straw n linen? Silk and Amber? Chalk 'en Rust? Coke and Copper? ( maybe not that last one, we can do away with the alliteration and be more euphemistic. Snow and Copper in that case. Or Ice.) Enamel Aflame! (?) Sun and Ash? Flowers and Butter (Never Margerine)?
Note: @ 19:00 From what I've gathered, his last name is actually Southern African, ( in his case probably Ndebele from the south of Zimbabwe particularly). Also please mind my (if anything emotive) punctuationses.
I remember someone telling me DOOM didn't even like hip-hop to disparage the genre, which is bunk. DOOM was a huge hip-hop head in the '80s and '90s, nobody dedicates that much time into rapping, DJing and beatmaking without having a deep love for the artform. He also made references to a lot of '80s and '90s hip-hop in his songs - one of my favourite references is "mixmaster I-C-E" from Accordion, so subtle, but so obvious if you've heard some U.T.F.O. DOOM's skits are also directly inspired by Afrika Islam's Zulu Beat mix shows from the early '80s.
What is true is that DOOM wasn't listening to much hip-hop in his later years, which is fine, preferences change as people age.
From an OG DOOM fan, Doomsday and Vaudeville Villain are his best albums. Doomsday being the birth of everything and a love letter to hip hop and his brother and comic books and early 80s radio R&B and Soul…and Vaudeville Villain being a science fiction tale of teenage misanthropy that’s the best display of pure lyricism and world building that rap has ever seen
My favorite is MM FOOD, I feel like the album has such a tight focus on its aesthetic and every song flows into the next so well
Moral of the story: margarine bad
AVAA!
I think that a lot of new fans go through a kind of worship phase similar to a Kendrick, but maybe more pretentious since the music is from the underground? It’s still one of my all time favorites for over 10 years, and it’s 20 years old now! I don’t feel it gets old.
You making “Rhinestone” seem so cringeworthy has me laughing out loud. Well, I like it :( haha, but I’m there with you on “America’s Most Blunted.” That guitar is rough as hell. Never understood it.
“The Dragon” by Biz Markie is an awesome suggestion! Had no idea.
Great album/great analysis thank you
AVAA, I’m one of those who didn’t like rap until I listened to Madvilliany, however, in my case it took me to a journey of discovering a whole new world of amazing music that, had I stuck with my “I don’t like rap music” state of mind, I would’ve never gotten into, so this album opened the door for me to enjoy such masterpieces like “Donuts”, “Game Theory” and even “Fear of a Black Planet”
that is a good point, I should have addressed it as a potential "gateway" album.
21:38 ooooooh good observation 😮
Got an aneurysm at 13.55 when you said what you said
AVAA all caps like the man's name
DOOM is Bunuel, Madlib is Dali. Madvillainy is Un Cien Andalou.
Solid.
That idea of communicating more racism than one would like to, that sentence hits hard. I have mentioned that such a perception is communicated by that preference, and it was hard for people to hear. Thanks for informing your friend. Prejudice comes in many forms.
That's funny, because the first hip hop that I ever really got into was Dr Octagon. It's because his song and a song by Jurassic 5 and the song by executioners were all on the skateboard game grind session when I was a kid. Most people cite Tony Hawk's pro skater as an influence musically but I had to pick AB side lol,
I was 13 btw. Early 00s.
I feel hurt by the comment that America's Most Blunted and Curls are good not great. Curls especially I absolutely love and is a contender for my favourite track on the album.
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J Dilla's method required controlled madness to even think of, and for him it was like breathing air.
bought the book. thanks for th tip.
You gotta listen to more Roc Marci as well
if you havent already, you should check out the four tet remixes of this album -- great day especially. AVAA
People who dont get Citizen Kane just watch movies for entertainment and its not an art to them. Citizen Kane was made before crazy after effects so every shot had to mean something. The angles mattered, the light mattered, everything mattered. So seeing that type of attention to detail in every shot is something to admire and strive for.
Its the same for music, some people listen to it just as a distraction but others really listen to lyrics and what the beat is doing sonically on a track and analyze if both purposes align with one another (or go against it etc). Its an Art and yes everyone is entitled to an opinion but some peoples opinions matter more than others because of their passion for the art, theyre art specialists in a way. However, in this day and age people dont like that realization so they say "youre old", "youre out of touch", "nobody cares" but its their ignorance that makes them degrade who you are it has nothing to do with who you are or your passion. Thats why i just dont say much anymore unless i know the people im speaking to are passionate about the subject im talking about or at the very least interested in it.
AVAA. I at the very least disagree with you saying America's Most Blunted and Curls are good but not great. They're easily some of the best tracks on the album. America's Most Blunted- starts with a great Steve Reich sample which is a nod to hip hop as a sampling medium originating from that work, probably the most classic hip hop beat on the album, amazing lyrics which act to destigmatize marijuana while also keeping in the spirit of a stoner anthem, and the ending sample keeps the album's pulp cohesion. Incredible track that feels like you're discarding it just because it's the track all about weed, even though you even comment he has insightful things to say on the topic. I normally agree weed rap is boring, this is on of the great exceptions. Curls- Some of the best lyricism. Feels like it, Accordion, Meat Grinder, Figaro, and All Caps are all the purest tracks on the album in terms of MF Doom taking a beat, mercing it, and moving on.
In terms of it being the Citizen Kane of whatever...I think modern music as a whole let alone rap does not have the critical landscape that movies have to take the medium seriously and really establish a consensus masterpiece. You're one of the only people who is taking the history of hip hop seriously and still I've never heard you mention Busdriver. Or Dalek. If you don't have these artists at the ready to put their works in comparison for "abstract rap", other critics probably aren't either. They're crowning it without context.
Well, I love Busdriver's verse on the Modeselektor song from a decade ago, but beyond that, you are right he doesn't get much critical love.
@@professorskye He had numerous great albums that came out around the time Madvillainy. His masterpiece of that time probably being Fear of a Black Tangent. But Perfect Hair and Electricity is On Our Side especially are two of the best hip hop records, and they came out last decade.
Electricity is On Our Side would probably be my pick for this Citizen Kane category, but he's just one of many underground artists who most MF Doom fans probably haven't listened to or even seen critical appraisal for.
professor how could you say “madvillainy more like… mad mid” when “midvillainy” was RIGHT there
it was right there!
AVAA!!
It’s not racist to point out that rap has degenerated with the rise of its commercial success and you don’t have to be black to say that and not be racist. It’s actually pretty common for most art forms to degenerate with their introduction to mainstream success. It is disingenuous to say that Rap is immune to the natural development of art under capitalism. FD signifier has a video about it and other creators have also made ones detailing how rap has developed/degenerated over the years. MF DOOMs whole persona and style was a push against the celebrity culture that was becoming more and more rampant in the industry. He deserves his flowers and the respect that he’s earned by those who truly appreciate rap music.
AVAA, since we're talking about great undergorund rap albums from the 2000s, you should check out Below The Heavens by Blu & Exile. Blu is from LA & he views rapping as his 9-5 job as you said. Maybe you can get into What The F is a Jay Electronica after that, he raps over some beats from Donuts on there. Last but not least there is a French rapper named Napoleon Da Legend who you should listen to as well, he is currently active & raps in English & French.
Lets gooooo !!!!
You should listen to mf food. Insane story about doom trying to save hip hop
I was with you untill you said the song curls isnt great, i dont want to just say its self evident that its good so just keep listening! AVAA
"perforated rod lavers/ in all quad flavors/ lawd save us": heavenly (holy, or perforated) women who wash the "rod" (laver is french for to wash) each of a different ethnicity- black, white, asian, Latina. Lord have mercy! DOOM was a genius.
12:14 j dilla said it as well in a interview as well “do you “
AVAA listen to born like this by MF DOOM , i love that album man
I did a video saying the same things about Madvilliany after finding him through Sadevilliany. The mask and character thing is nowhere near new or original, just not widely done.
Avaa. Skye you gotta listen to the song “Love is DOOMed” by Zilla Rocca & Jason Griff
“I don’t wanna go to the party with you, I wanna watch that Redbull lecture with Doom”🕺
funny
Butter FOREVER!
No margarine in this house!
Hey Prof, could you review Jane Doe by Converge (2001) ? the album itself is basically the progenitor of the entire metalcore genre
Also kinda cool if you listen to Mach-hammy he makes a lot of references to DOOM
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I will never eat margarine. AVAA
AVAA. Must get that 33/3 book!
AVAA
I had a similar journey with this & Donuts. 1st time hearing em just left an underwhelming impression on me, especially the scatterbrain sequencing. No song seemed like the right to follow the previous. Like wth is Supervillain Theme doing coming right after Eye!?!?
Then I read a Madlib interview where he referred to himself as a DJ 1st, producer 2nd & MC 3rd.
With that it made the sequencing of Madvillainy & most of his other projects make so much more sense. They're set up like DJ mixtapes! It helped me appreciate this album & many others by other artists like Dilla so much more.
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AVAA, and not telling you which one of the A's it is