Here's the build order and timings I wrote down roughly from the replay 16 Barracks 16 Refinery 19 Reaper 20 Natural 20 Supply Depot 21 Marine 23 depot SCV - Factory 24 Rax Reactor 2:40 3rd CC 27 reactor swap to factory 27 Starport 27 2nd refinery (3:00) 3:12 First two hellions 3:20 3rd refinery 3:35 viking + 2 more hellions 3:52 start depot wall at natural 3:55 fusion core - rax tech lab 4:12 - 3rd base orbital 4:38 4th refinery 4:47 start BC 5:08 start 2 more factories (both tech labs when finished) 5:30 5th refinery 5:30 2 armories 5:58 2nd BC 6:00 TP BC into natural while pressuring with hellions (should have around 7 or 8 hellions) 6:17 - 4th base building in main 6:24 start 1/1 upgrades at armories 6:30 start tank production 7:00 yamato research 7:20 3rd BC Tank and Hellion production 7:35 ebay 7:35 land 4th base and get refineries, zone out base with turrets 8:08 blue flame research 8:25 start 2/2 upgrades when money available amid tank and hellion production 8:40 5th base 9:00 should have about 81 SCVs 9:05 add 2 more factories 9:45 one Tech lab one reactor on new factories 9:50 land 5th base 10:45 three more factories 10:55 start 3/3 upgrades 12:50 add 3 to 4 rax and ghost academy 13:00 raven to counter infestor burrow 13:55 start cloak and ghost armor
Thanks for this Marc. I loved this type of guide dissecting a high level game and letting us know all the details. This was awesome. More of these would be great. Home with covid, I can't get enough of your videos. Really trying to push my MMR. I'm prolly going to go back and watch all your Terran Schools videos again.
This guide was a nice change of pace, its funny because i was actually going to request a 2022 maru mech guide after seeing maru vs dark in GSL. Would love to see marus TvZ 2 base bio push all in guides in the future! Thanks!
Love getting your input on these games. You explain to us non pros perfectly. And saying Maru is probably the best defensive player, in my opinion is so accurate. I’ve seen him win so many games he should have lost 30 minutes earlier.
Hey uThermy! Will you be able to share us your keyboard bindings and suggestions?? I am hoping for it to be included in next videoss!!! Great guide made by you btw
As one who is native to the NA server, I must recommend the strongest style of mech. This style of mech makes sure your opponent is confused and befuddled to the maximum. First you hit them with the good ol' BC opener, or you could go for that old quadriple speed banshee style instead. Then you make ghosts. Ghosts and tanks and hellions. After you've started your 2nd and 3rd factories, rather than letting the barracks float off and scout, you give it a tech lab and make ghosts. Alternatively, you can make reactor marines and add on a 2nd barracks with a tech lab for ghosts. Bio-Mech. Marines are great for early stability when playing mech, and on a low base count with a lack of gas floating minerals is going to happen, even when making hellions. So make marines. Mech in early stages lacks stability because of a lack of tanks and units in general because they take so long to make, which is why early high marine counts can be good, especially with good building positioning. While you make marines to, you wont need hellions so much to defend, so you can harass with them at the same time. Ghosts are super handy to have versus protoss as well as the main protoss counters to mech are archons and zealots, and against zerg well... You already know how that sweet snipe goes in the ghost to GM. In the end your opponent gets super confused as to why you have so much bio units with mech, while you harass him to death with hellions and BCs or banshees. Is this efficient? Probably not. Does this work? 100%. Is this fun? Ya.
If there is no 3rd hatch what would you suggest. In general I always struggle vs roaches I know they are weak vs air units and maruaders but they are just so tanky.
There's no way I'm gonna be able to replicate what Maru did nor am I gonna be able to follow every step mentioned here. But I am trying to get some ideas about this build and try out what will work for me. Thank you very much for the guide.
When you saw Clem tried to do Mech vs Reynor, you recognized how efficient Maru is. He just makes it look like late game is easy for Terran. Not many people could pull this off against Serral and Reynor in late game. Like Marc said, Maru has revolutionzied the Terran late game lately.
I made so much salt form a zergy with this build. He was swearing at me to leave my base and attack him. He was crying that I made "just command center". I didn't do a good job splitting the map. He took 1 of my bases. It was ok because he lost 25k more resources than me. He ended up rage quiting after smashing his army into my Thor tank PF. Thanks!
Would it be worth it to squeeze a raven out in this matchup? helps w/ creep control a little bit, but really, when maru had 3-4 bcs fighting all those queens at around 9-10 mins into the game, 1 surprise anti-armor missile and all those queens die right? 3 bcs kill an anti-armor-ed queen in literally less than a second if you do the math (175 hp queens, 3 BCs do 190 DPS to anti-armor queen) and then yamato the ones that didn't die. also helps him trade against a low amount of corrupters.
"... has been found out recently, I wanna say, in the last year ... is that you go mech into ghosts and thats kinda makes up for your ultimate composition" a guy from USA whose name we're not allowed to mention: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Amazing guide Marc just wonderd one thing you never talked about (or not to much) how should you split the army? Should you have a couple units always in the same place or can you use in should some units be in diffrent spots? Looking at replay it almost looks that Maru has the hole army clumped up all time not spliting anything but it doesent seem like the entire truth so clarifaction would be great.
Thx Uthermy!!! I'm a big fan mech player!!! Transition for ghost when have 5 CC? or need to max mech 3/3 and swap to ghost? Love ur content!!! take care bro!!! Peace From France! +1
I’m very vanilla with Terran so far and play bio 100% of games so when I heard EIGHT factories it kind of blew my mind lol that’s so many! Most I’ve had in games is like 6-7 racks 2 fac 2 starport lol
Why are BC's so important ? Wouldn't speed banshees fill the same role? I hover around 4.7-4.8 on NA and see a lot of roach allins so normally open banshees even if going mech
I assume because they also help deal with Muta and they can do harassment even if they scout you because you have the teleport and higher hp, whereas if they scout your Banshees they just build detection and you can't harass anymore because of Queens. I don't know for sure, but that would be my guess...
I think its because they don't get shoo'ed away by queens and spores, and you can use the 3 BCs as a mid-late game harasser. In most of the games I watched, they tend to rebuild up to 3 BCs if they lose any.
@@Kholdaimon True the mutas are a bit tougher to deal with, you have to scout it and make cyclones before tanks or else its gg. But at 5:00 uthermal says that battle cruisers are particularly useful against swarmhost attacks, that's more what I was confused about. Why battlecruisers over banshees against swarmhosts
Made this comment before finishing the video, seems like the reason is the BCs just deal crazy dps to the locusts. I was thinking of the banshees as nydus worm hunters and to use them to snipe the swarmhosts. Maru doesn't even use his BCs that way which is interesting but makes sense
Even my half-assed terran mech seems already op vs zerg in my pleb league. But happy to get schooled anyway. Mech is the only kind of terran I enjoy playing and ghosts are the only bio unit I'm inclined to make. Normally just few out of single barracks for emp vs toss but I do need to get me a habit of using them vs zerg more too.
Great guide! You should do 2 videos a day when you do a tutorial. One fun “show” video AND a tutorial! Also, I’m gold league. I love watching your stuff but I would like you to provide more basic training. I like the Bronze to GM idea you had. Don’t necessarily play through the ladder, but give coaching/build orders at every level.
I'm gold and have beaten master league players with mech. It works. I go with Thors and never build tanks unless they go for lurkers. Liberators and Thor are good too against Swarm Host. If only I could figure out a Protoss build...
Is battle mech (hellion/cyclone) still considered viable? It's been a long time since I've seen pros use it. I'm still able to make it work sometimes at low masters, but I guess it isn't good enough at the pro level anymore.
btw @UThermal don't you feel like Maru is hella back on form? After IEM and GSL S1, both DH Valencia and GSL S2 so far have been riproaring Maru of old
It's annoying that zerg can make swarm hosts and they auto make free units with no micro, then sit in them until broodlords that do the same thing. Terrsn has to micro so much more
How does that comment make any sense. Unless you are in GM, you're not going to be facing a zerg with that well coordinated attacks or spellcaster control and mech is extremely strong.
Wow. *I* am tired after watching this game, imagine Maru! It's great to see a long, macro game after watching your cheesy challenges for so many weeks! I forgot games could be this llong, haha
Thanks for the video, I have to say that I don't enjoy that type of video that much. I don't feel like I could take a lot for my games. A lot of things you teach ar hypothetical and are not shown.
@@uThermal Wow you responded this is crazy🤯 I meant the video should be How to beat Terran mech as Zerg since if you do any kind of mech style you’ll probably win against Zerg anyway. Even if you play it at like 40% efficiency
@@bagahbread You see any other Terran doing Mech and consistently beat Zerg at pro level?? Maru is literally the only one who does it well enough nowadays.
@@bagahbread I dont play ladder game so I dont know whats its like there. But in pro scence, where I watch, winning with Mech in TvZ arent a thing outside of Maru.
Here's the build order and timings I wrote down roughly from the replay
16 Barracks
16 Refinery
19 Reaper
20 Natural
20 Supply Depot
21 Marine
23 depot SCV - Factory
24 Rax Reactor
2:40 3rd CC
27 reactor swap to factory
27 Starport
27 2nd refinery (3:00)
3:12 First two hellions
3:20 3rd refinery
3:35 viking + 2 more hellions
3:52 start depot wall at natural
3:55 fusion core - rax tech lab
4:12 - 3rd base orbital
4:38 4th refinery
4:47 start BC
5:08 start 2 more factories (both tech labs when finished)
5:30 5th refinery
5:30 2 armories
5:58 2nd BC
6:00 TP BC into natural while pressuring with hellions (should have around 7 or 8 hellions)
6:17 - 4th base building in main
6:24 start 1/1 upgrades at armories
6:30 start tank production
7:00 yamato research
7:20 3rd BC
Tank and Hellion production
7:35 ebay
7:35 land 4th base and get refineries, zone out base with turrets
8:08 blue flame research
8:25 start 2/2 upgrades when money available amid tank and hellion production
8:40 5th base
9:00 should have about 81 SCVs
9:05 add 2 more factories
9:45 one Tech lab one reactor on new factories
9:50 land 5th base
10:45 three more factories
10:55 start 3/3 upgrades
12:50 add 3 to 4 rax and ghost academy
13:00 raven to counter infestor burrow
13:55 start cloak and ghost armor
You are a hero
Thanks for this Marc. I loved this type of guide dissecting a high level game and letting us know all the details. This was awesome. More of these would be great. Home with covid, I can't get enough of your videos. Really trying to push my MMR. I'm prolly going to go back and watch all your Terran Schools videos again.
This guide was a nice change of pace, its funny because i was actually going to request a 2022 maru mech guide after seeing maru vs dark in GSL. Would love to see marus TvZ 2 base bio push all in guides in the future! Thanks!
Love getting your input on these games. You explain to us non pros perfectly. And saying Maru is probably the best defensive player, in my opinion is so accurate. I’ve seen him win so many games he should have lost 30 minutes earlier.
Hey uThermy! Will you be able to share us your keyboard bindings and suggestions?? I am hoping for it to be included in next videoss!!! Great guide made by you btw
He did one sir! Its "F2 key etc.." !
Thanks Thermy! I dont have the skills to play like Maru but I learn a lot and improve with this kind of videos!!! Salutes from Argentina!
This is excellent content man thank you for the effort.
Total gold, thanks for the deep explanations including alternative scenarios. Hoping for a TvP Maru vs her0 analysis!
As one who is native to the NA server, I must recommend the strongest style of mech.
This style of mech makes sure your opponent is confused and befuddled to the maximum. First you hit them with the good ol' BC opener, or you could go for that old quadriple speed banshee style instead.
Then you make ghosts. Ghosts and tanks and hellions. After you've started your 2nd and 3rd factories, rather than letting the barracks float off and scout, you give it a tech lab and make ghosts. Alternatively, you can make reactor marines and add on a 2nd barracks with a tech lab for ghosts. Bio-Mech. Marines are great for early stability when playing mech, and on a low base count with a lack of gas floating minerals is going to happen, even when making hellions. So make marines. Mech in early stages lacks stability because of a lack of tanks and units in general because they take so long to make, which is why early high marine counts can be good, especially with good building positioning. While you make marines to, you wont need hellions so much to defend, so you can harass with them at the same time.
Ghosts are super handy to have versus protoss as well as the main protoss counters to mech are archons and zealots, and against zerg well... You already know how that sweet snipe goes in the ghost to GM.
In the end your opponent gets super confused as to why you have so much bio units with mech, while you harass him to death with hellions and BCs or banshees.
Is this efficient? Probably not. Does this work? 100%. Is this fun? Ya.
Thx for the very good explanation! This is a good start into the weekend.
Let´s go an try it! I think the most difficult part is to get enough gas for all this composition, nice explanation Thermy!
100% The best Terran content on the Internet. Thank you for the effort, thermy.
Thank you for the masterclass. Your content is always great, but these guides are the best.
Uthermal your sc2 knowledge is insane
If there is no 3rd hatch what would you suggest. In general I always struggle vs roaches I know they are weak vs air units and maruaders but they are just so tanky.
There's no way I'm gonna be able to replicate what Maru did nor am I gonna be able to follow every step mentioned here. But I am trying to get some ideas about this build and try out what will work for me. Thank you very much for the guide.
When you saw Clem tried to do Mech vs Reynor, you recognized how efficient Maru is. He just makes it look like late game is easy for Terran. Not many people could pull this off against Serral and Reynor in late game. Like Marc said, Maru has revolutionzied the Terran late game lately.
Thanks for the guide!! I prefer these over move entertainment focused videos myself.
I made so much salt form a zergy with this build. He was swearing at me to leave my base and attack him. He was crying that I made "just command center". I didn't do a good job splitting the map. He took 1 of my bases. It was ok because he lost 25k more resources than me. He ended up rage quiting after smashing his army into my Thor tank PF. Thanks!
Would it be worth it to squeeze a raven out in this matchup? helps w/ creep control a little bit, but really, when maru had 3-4 bcs fighting all those queens at around 9-10 mins into the game, 1 surprise anti-armor missile and all those queens die right? 3 bcs kill an anti-armor-ed queen in literally less than a second if you do the math (175 hp queens, 3 BCs do 190 DPS to anti-armor queen) and then yamato the ones that didn't die. also helps him trade against a low amount of corrupters.
"... has been found out recently, I wanna say, in the last year ... is that you go mech into ghosts and thats kinda makes up for your ultimate composition"
a guy from USA whose name we're not allowed to mention:
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Instead of ravenman, you should change your name to sillygoose next season. 😆
Amazing guide Marc just wonderd one thing you never talked about (or not to much) how should you split the army? Should you have a couple units always in the same place or can you use in should some units be in diffrent spots? Looking at replay it almost looks that Maru has the hole army clumped up all time not spliting anything but it doesent seem like the entire truth so clarifaction would be great.
Thx Uthermy!!! I'm a big fan mech player!!!
Transition for ghost when have 5 CC? or need to max mech 3/3 and swap to ghost? Love ur content!!!
take care bro!!! Peace From France!
+1
The games Maru played in GSL this week we're insane.
silly goose!
Also, how many times do you say 'bascly' in an episode?
How is your monitor zoomed out? I have 1080p and its not that wide view compared to yours...
-how to play mech?
-play like maru
tl;dr - "Just play like Maru"
I’m very vanilla with Terran so far and play bio 100% of games so when I heard EIGHT factories it kind of blew my mind lol that’s so many! Most I’ve had in games is like 6-7 racks 2 fac 2 starport lol
Thank you very much 🙇♂️🙇♀️👍
Excellent edification
Can you make a SC2 unit tier list?
Why are BC's so important ? Wouldn't speed banshees fill the same role? I hover around 4.7-4.8 on NA and see a lot of roach allins so normally open banshees even if going mech
I assume because they also help deal with Muta and they can do harassment even if they scout you because you have the teleport and higher hp, whereas if they scout your Banshees they just build detection and you can't harass anymore because of Queens. I don't know for sure, but that would be my guess...
I think its because they don't get shoo'ed away by queens and spores, and you can use the 3 BCs as a mid-late game harasser. In most of the games I watched, they tend to rebuild up to 3 BCs if they lose any.
@@Kholdaimon True the mutas are a bit tougher to deal with, you have to scout it and make cyclones before tanks or else its gg. But at 5:00 uthermal says that battle cruisers are particularly useful against swarmhost attacks, that's more what I was confused about. Why battlecruisers over banshees against swarmhosts
Made this comment before finishing the video, seems like the reason is the BCs just deal crazy dps to the locusts. I was thinking of the banshees as nydus worm hunters and to use them to snipe the swarmhosts. Maru doesn't even use his BCs that way which is interesting but makes sense
Mutas destroy speed banshees. At least with bcs they can jump out.
Not a silly goose today... But your day is coming.
Maru vs Drak GSL game was even better!
Never pressed the like button this fast.
Even my half-assed terran mech seems already op vs zerg in my pleb league. But happy to get schooled anyway. Mech is the only kind of terran I enjoy playing and ghosts are the only bio unit I'm inclined to make. Normally just few out of single barracks for emp vs toss but I do need to get me a habit of using them vs zerg more too.
Ok I think I got it! . 9 minutes later: ‘I made a huge mistake’
Ty for this
Just in time for my work break :D
Great guide! You should do 2 videos a day when you do a tutorial. One fun “show” video AND a tutorial!
Also, I’m gold league. I love watching your stuff but I would like you to provide more basic training. I like the Bronze to GM idea you had. Don’t necessarily play through the ladder, but give coaching/build orders at every level.
What if you went ravens & ghost only that would be a pretty dope series
Amazing!
New maps already on the ladder, update was last night
The coolest thing about this Video is, that you beat Reynor 2-0 yesterday to get into the playoffs of Home Story Cup... ;)
Is he better than Goody though?
I'm gold and have beaten master league players with mech. It works. I go with Thors and never build tanks unless they go for lurkers. Liberators and Thor are good too against Swarm Host. If only I could figure out a Protoss build...
Is battle mech (hellion/cyclone) still considered viable? It's been a long time since I've seen pros use it. I'm still able to make it work sometimes at low masters, but I guess it isn't good enough at the pro level anymore.
Is it true that Maru traded playing aggressively to turtling because he's trying to preserve his wrists?
Well, Maru started the turtling style around the time he was having serious shoulder injury around late-2020, so I think they are related.
Not sure if it is the perfect showcase of how you should play mech cz couple of late fights were won just because of neural
Swarmhosts to Gm next!!
btw @UThermal don't you feel like Maru is hella back on form? After IEM and GSL S1, both DH Valencia and GSL S2 so far have been riproaring Maru of old
It's annoying that zerg can make swarm hosts and they auto make free units with no micro, then sit in them until broodlords that do the same thing. Terrsn has to micro so much more
Your 🎉awesome @U thermal
just play like maru
Insane.
finally guide
Feel like the easiest way to play mech is to defend over and over lol. I find mech impossible because of actually moving out.
What a god
Mech vs Zerg is for me a hard matchup
uthermal saying people should try mech...
maru's pov showing why people shouldn't
How does that comment make any sense. Unless you are in GM, you're not going to be facing a zerg with that well coordinated attacks or spellcaster control and mech is extremely strong.
Can you also teach us how to play Zerg vs Terran Mech :((
Play like Reynor here, actually that Swarm Host attack, only Maru could survive that ....
Fuck i love this game
Wow. *I* am tired after watching this game, imagine Maru!
It's great to see a long, macro game after watching your cheesy challenges for so many weeks! I forgot games could be this llong, haha
Hi nonsilly goose
Silly Geese unite
Looks like Goody needs to come out of retirement.
How much can I bribe you to say by accident instead of on accident, and one of the of the few instead of one of the only
Pf,hellbat, tanks, mines, thors(splash), nukes terran is imbda
UPdaste this pls?:D
Thanks for the video, I have to say that I don't enjoy that type of video that much.
I don't feel like I could take a lot for my games. A lot of things you teach ar hypothetical and are not shown.
thermy ... do you have onlyfans ?
The tutorial should be the other way around. Pretty much anything you do against Zerg would work
How do you mean the other way around?
@@uThermal Wow you responded this is crazy🤯
I meant the video should be How to beat Terran mech as Zerg since if you do any kind of mech style you’ll probably win against Zerg anyway. Even if you play it at like 40% efficiency
@@bagahbread You see any other Terran doing Mech and consistently beat Zerg at pro level?? Maru is literally the only one who does it well enough nowadays.
@@tigera6 ugh pro level pro level pro level. You all act like only pros play this game
@@bagahbread I dont play ladder game so I dont know whats its like there. But in pro scence, where I watch, winning with Mech in TvZ arent a thing outside of Maru.
First! nah Jk
on a bigger map against scarlett maru launched nuke 100+ times