LA sits right on the shore of the world’s largest ocean - so why isn’t seawater being used to fight the deadly fires? #breakingnews #californiawildfires #palisadesfire #losangelesfiredepartment The use of seawater to extinguish the scorching Los Angeles fires seems like a straightforward solution, but the technique faces a variety of complications despite the fact that the city sits on the shores of the Pacific Ocean. While firefighters have sparingly tapped into the natural resource, issues like lack of reliable access, significant environmental impact, and corrosive qualities are key roadblocks to oceanwater’s consistent use in fighting the current inferno. Depending on an individual species' salt tolerance, soil salinization can negatively affect plants by leading to a reduction of plant water intake, according to Soil Science Australia. Former assistant chief for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire) and retired fire analyst Tim Chavez told the Wall Street Journal that firefighters try to avoid saltwater for this reason. “We try to avoid it because saltwater is a soil sterilizer. If you add salt to the soil, you’re not going to be able to grow anything there the next year,” he said. Los Angeles sits on America’s west coast, on the shores of the Pacific Ocean. Picture: Josh Edelson/AFP Los Angeles sits on America’s west coast, on the shores of the Pacific Ocean. Picture: Josh Edelson/AFP While the long-term effects of salt in the soil are not yet understood, the dry conditions typical of California’s climate may allow salt to remain in the soil, which some species can’t “tolerate,” ecosystem ecologist at the Smithsonian Environmental Research Centre Patrick Megonigal wrote in The Conversation. He noted that the seawater being dumped on the LA fires is “full-strength, salty ocean water”. “Our experiment found that salt was causing clay and other particles to disperse and move about in the soil. Such changes in soil chemistry and structure can persist for many years,” Mr Megonigal added. Connect With news.com.au Online ► [www.news.com.au] bit.ly/3WC8hOP ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Follow Us: Facebook ► [facebook.com/news.com.au/] Instagram ► [instagram.com/newscomauhq/?hl=en] Podcast ► [newscomau.org/FromTheNewsroom] TikTok ► [@news.com.au] Twitter ► [twitter.com/newscomauHQ] ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Subscribe To Our RUclips Channel For The Very Latest News From Australia And Around The World: ► [www.youtube.com/@newscomauhq] ► [www.youtube.com/@newscomauhq/shorts] ► [www.youtube.com/@newscomauhq/videos] ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
So you are concerned about the environment from using salt water. Have you seen what is happening to the environment and houses with the fires. Here in Australia we have been using sea water to extinguish fires for years and the environment has recovered. Try telling home owners that their house has to burn because the greenies are concerned about putting sea water on the ground. This is a no-brainer.
yep ! can't agree more.. i also heard that one of the reason the fire system 'under maintenance' for so long was caused by the small fish ecosystem was harmed when it accidentaly getting inside the fire protection installation, and the government was still figuring out how to safe those small fish while they're definitely risking lives of their "human" citizen.. They just totally dumb 🤦🤦🤦
It’s human error that destroys life, Mismanagement disaster And misdirected priority Funds, a fishy called smelt Over human lives, I guess a fish is important then humans lives, 17 million dollars could easily fix fire Hydrants water pressure And fill all the water reservoirs, what belongs In sea, stays in sea (salt) You can tell the difference Land water and sea water Australia is below the equator, America is above the equator, so Australia Can tolerate sea water What maybe good for Australia may not be good For America, Remember Certain areas of sea can be contaminated or polluted from boats oil and ship transportation
In Greece and all Mediterranean countries SEAWATER is used for decades to extinguish almost all forest fires expecially if they are nearby. No problem with regrowth of the forest and it's regeneration afterwards!
in Greece, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Jasper, BC, Winnipeg, Manitoba in Canada, USA, Maui all fires started NWO system DEW = Directed Energy Weapon
In France costal areas also. They have the same planes and re-fill their tanks while gliding slightly over the sea-water-line. It takes about 10-15 seconds to re-fill that tank and take off again. They do regular trial runs to keep the fleet tip-top, quite a spectacle for tourists.
Yes, I agree. Spent many happy days on the beach during the 1980s observing the scooper planes collecting sea water to extinguish the forest fires blazing just behind the hotels. As you say, no harm was done then. I'd be furious as a Homeowner if my property had gone up in smoke because of some eco lunacy. My sincere condolences to all those affected in L.A.
Oh please when was the last time you had wildfires in a “vegetable” growing area?! Go douse your house fires with seawater, your residential lands are not chaparral hills beside desert areas.
I live in Italy. We have being using almost exclusively sea water FOREVER. the sea are fine, the woods are fine and growing, nobody even ever questions it. This is madness
You're telling me that in the same country they put salt on roads every year, suddendly now they're too reluctant to use sea water to douse one of the most destructive fires they've ever seen?
We have wild fire every year here in SoCal.. We call the season when Santa Ana wind blows as the fire season. Wild fires are part of California and the burned vegetation is what adds nutrients to the soil and makes them richer. The charred mountains become lush green after rains and the vegetation grows even thicker and all wildlife comes back. Unfortunately, when the fire starts near human settlement and the winds are like 85 miles/hour, there is not much firefighters can do to protect houses. But Mother Nature will bring back all wildlife in no time.
@@Vidyagokul right, but the excuse from the video is that sea water would prevent growth of plants...while the ones already growing are being charred as if it's no big deal. as though everywhere that gets ice and a lot of solid salt dropped over a few months can't grow anything and all of the vehicles driving on it immediately fall apart.
It will work if it is desalinated..but the US doesn't desalinate on a significant scale..and only a small handful of countries in the middle east, and Spain have large scaled desalination projects..
Why do you think they never cleaned up the forest brush? Answer: Because of an endangered beetle. Yes, that's right. Why do you think they diverted fresh water into the Pacific Ocean? Answer: To keep the water brackish for smelts (a tiny fish) Yep. That's right. Btw, California has an abnormal way of thinking in America. They blame something called climate change for all this, while it's their own bad ( and quite insane) decisions causing chaos on many levels. The rest of us are trying to deal with them, like that crazy relative that has ownership of a small part of your home that you don't get along with but peek in once in a while. Not really to see how they are doing but just making sure they don't destroy the rest of your house.
I think some (not all) are worried about the other big risk that Southern California has which are landslides and mudslides. I say use the seawater now since destruction is happening anyway, not to mention lives are being lost. But if soils on all of those hills do get contaminated (I don't know if true or not) and nothing can grown on them for who knows how long, there won't be anything holding the soils in place on all of those hills when rainstorms comes. Neighborhoods (and people) could get wiped away. Many areas in the LA area, especially Pacific Palisades, have had issues for years with slides.
When I was little, my mother told me a story about a bus on the way from Vung Tau to Saigon that caught fire. There was no fire extinguisher on the bus. My mother personally scooped sand and threw it on the fire. The passengers saw this and imitated it. Finally, the fire was extinguished. This lesson teaches us that we must use whatever means we have to solve the problem.
Ok so use sea water. People act like California is in the middle of the United States. Have helicopters fly in sea water from the coast and put these fires out.
You do realize that sea water IS being used to fight the fire, right? The narrator plainly said so and there are scores of YT videos showing it being done. It isn't their first choice but it IS being done.
@@DoudD honestly, the ignorance of much of humanity is cringeworthy, eh? Even when you give them the basic straight up facts in a video, they still don't get it.
@@MonicaFajardo-h1q The "environmental concern" is that the brush/chaparral won't grow back in the salinized soil. They WANT the chaparral to grow back because, without it, the hillsides won't hold together and they'll have huge mudslides when the rains comes. The hills are held together by the root systems of the chaparral. Can you see the dilemma?
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Yah that giant fire burning all the houses down and releasing all the "carcinogens" that California is always so worried about is somehow less of an impact than salt water...
You have got to rebuild and regrow on something. How is making the land unusable for the future a smart idea. People don’t want to live on a concrete carpark. No wonder Americans have terrible natural disasters like this, they just don’t understand what they are doing. We would avoid using saltwater in any system because it damages machinery faster.
His math is ridiculous. You're not fighting 8000 house fires at once. The fire moves from house to house. These are criminals that want the land for apartment complexes. If only their homes were in the way
Around 12,000 structures. Their "environment" is a patch of yellow grass, brushes, growing over a send/dirt desert. Very precious indeed, they were thinking of cultivating strawberries and salads, 🙄 right? Yes? Then this, the two hydroplanes from Quebec did just that, taking water from the sea 😇these disrespectful Canadians should be fine big time!
😮مجانين لم يشعلو النيران الا في لوس آنجلس وهاذه المرة الثانية التي يأتي فيها ترامب للرآسة ومعه النار فهاذا مخطط له منذ زمن لأن لوس أنجلس سوف يعاد بناؤها أفخم مما كانت عليه وربما يدخلون فيها البحر ههههههههههه صبرً فسوف ترون كيف تتم المخططات من أجل المال حتى وإن كانت على حساب الشعب الأميريكي وفي بلده ، لم يكفهم ما فعلوه في الدول العربية والإسلامية من سفك دماء وزهق الأرواح ودنار البناء بل لجأو للخراب على أرضهم ولسلب شعبهم مليارات الدولارات ، من الذي سيعوض لكم صورً منذ خمسون سنة لأبنائكم من الذي سيعوض لكم بيوتكم اللاتي التهمتها نيران المخطط الذي خططو له ليكون لهم جميعهم فيه فائدة كبيرة ولكنهم لم يأخذو بعين الإعتبار قوة الله فجعلهم الله يتناسون الهواء وسرعته والعواصف وقدرتها على حمل اللظى من منطقة لمنطقة فاندلعت النيران بمساحات كبرى لم تكن في الحساب .
@@saadsilverman8272 watch as God will used their own plan to spiraled the fire out of controls, the dry wind has no signs of stopping and neither the fire,no ceasefire at all.
They didn't clear their forest and dead brush, then water was an issue, and in addition they also took funds away from the fire dept which is emergency services that could've been used. That's part of it
The governor is basically to blame. He mandated no to clear the dry forest floor of branches and dead matter which made possible to spread the fire rapidly. He also diverted the water from the north to go to the ocean.
No, not really. This isn't a forest fire. Not all fires are the same. This is a brush fire. Chaparral. There are no leaves to rake nor branches to pick up nor dead matter. And the water for these fires isn't coming from the north and never has. I strongly suspect that county and city leadership will be found to be much more to blame than Newsom.
@@reyinfante5553 It's amazing that our government will tell you with a straight face that they can't stop a regional fire, but if you just pay more in taxes, they can change the entire global climate. It's even more amazing that anyone believes them. Gavin should be charged with criminal negligence.
Yes, that would be Linda And Stuart Resnick. They are the billionaires that own the rights to 60%- 75% of the water. Big Democrat donors and donated to stop Newsome from being recalled. They're the largest agriculture owners in California.
Attempting to defend not using sea water is one of the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever heard!! People’s lives are the most precious thing. Secondly their homes and livelihoods because that obviously affects stress levels and mental health. Many countries use sea water to fight fires and the environment still recovers.
She was just way too emotional and dumb ; not realizing the chain of government policy, budgets, decades of poor urban planning and mother nature are in a perfect mix.
Firefighters 🚒 only have so much water at a time for when they put out a regular house fire or something! But this they need to have unlimited water for as long as they can until it's finally extinguished so they need to get ocean water so why would there be any reason on why they can't use water from the ocean!!!
@@ericirwin413 lol just use the beach for a day put the sea water in a long tub the length of the beach steam the water with the sun and collect the fresh water.
Here in the midwest we spread salt on the roads by the train loads. All that salt ends up in the ditches and surrounding areas. After decades of this, there is zero damage to the environment. The grass in the ditch always grows back. Also fun fact: Dry fertilizer spread on farm fields is mostly salt. Manure also is comprised of high levels of salt. Been doing it that way for 100 years. Crops unaffected. Now people would rather homes burn down than use salty water to put out the flames? Unreal.
You can tell even the media reporters in the US are not technically minded. Every ship fights fire with seawater! Every thermal and nuclear power plant "must" use a huge quantity of water for cooing its condensers in the steam turbines and invariable every large power plant is situated at the coast so that seawater can be used as the main coolant. Thus there is one set of equipment for fresh water and another set of equipment, like pumps, valves and pipes, for seawater application! Firefighting isn't a daily event but rarely needed so there is no long term detrimental supply of salt or chloride to the soil. In any case many plant can survive and even thrive in a saline condition. The effect of added chloride to the soil is a consideration but comparing with the destruction costing possibly over $100 billion it cannot be the dealer breaker. The application of seawater to fight the wildfire can be implemented just a few days by putting wet well pumps at a pier, covered pipes, conduits or flexible hoses over roads, installed temporary modular prefabricated water tanks at strategic locations to act as inline/open pumping stations and water supply points. It is a simple job, to design, install and commission for the power plant engineers/technicians operating a large cooling water system. The firefighters just tap the seawater from the modular water tanks to put down the fire.
They ARE using seawater. And have been. The narrator of the story says so, outright in plain english. They couldn't do so in the beginning because the 80-100mph made it impossible to fly.
@@DoudD Ohhh, right, because in your world only airplanes can bring the water. Not hoses, pipes, pump stations, or even fire engines chained together to relay the pumping could ever be made to handle the issue much more effectively with a continuous flow instead of sporadic drops.
There is a facility built to make sea water into regular water but the special interest groups had it shut down before it opened claiming it would damage the echo system. So here you are
In Croatia we were always using sea water with our CanadAirs CL-415 and Air tractors, guess what, everything grew back normally as it used to be and we never had water corrupted from salt water like I read some comments here, if our planes and helicopters didn't use sea water, whole Dalmatia county here would be like Dresden too and vanished years ago.. Oh and btw they should fly more low so the water bomb is much more efficient and doesn't dry out till it gets to the land (we are talking here about enormous heat).. Our Canadairs fly sometimes on just 15 metres alongside fire and make a drop, that is why we are all happy when we see them on wildfires.. Best of luck to you guys from a fireman in Croatia 💪
Točno to i ja govorim. Sve raste kad se zemlja oporavi. Neće rasti jer je spržena zemlja. I količina koja se izlije i postotak soli ne može toliko utjecati na floru. Jadransko more je slanije od oceana. Brinu o prirodi a što sve uništava zemlju i prirodu ništa o tome. Neka ljudima izgore kuće i cijeli grad a oni brinu o prirodi. Dobro si rekla kod nas ništa ne bi raslo po njima. A mi sadimo stabla nakon 2 godine na žgarištima. Vatrogasci koriste običnu vodu gdje mogu doći. Na teškim nepristupačnim dijelovima gdje ljudstvo i tehnika i vozila ne mogu pomoći ni doći koristimo kanadere i helikoptere. Da naši ovo rade svi bi izgorili. Zato im se proširio požar pa će cijeli grad izgorit. Uz ovakav vjetar a nisu dok je mali bio požar ništa napravili otići će to daleko.. Ovdje je sve zakazalo. Potpuni kaos. I teško će ovo zaustaviti dog ne padne kiša bez prestanka jaka. Cijeli Mediteran koristi more kad mogu. Oprema se ispire da ne izgrize sol i korozija nastane. Da biljke ne mogu rasti trebao bi staviti veliku količinu soli. Pa naša obala i bilje sve od bure i juga imaju sol po sebi. Kapljice odu po cijeloj flori. Naša stoka na Pagu je ukusna upravo zbog soli koja je po zelenilu a to brste ovce, koze, krave, janjad. Toliko ima betona, asfalta u gradu im al eto neće nešto rasti kaže jedan nikako ili 50-60g. Onda svi smo mi mrtvi po njima. A cijeli život živim uz more i gledam gašenje kanaderima i helikopterima. I zelenila i šume već se koliko puta obnovilo sprženo. Brzo efikasno i ubrzaju gašenje vatre. Bez njih pa skoro da je nemoguće veliki požar ugasiti. Neka još čekaju i misle o soli neće im gorit samo LA nego pola Amerike. 😲🤔
Točno to i ja govorim. Sve raste kad se zemlja oporavi. Neće rasti jer je spržena zemlja. I količina koja se izlije i postotak soli ne može toliko utjecati na floru. Jadransko more je slanije od oceana. Brinu o prirodi a što sve uništava zemlju i prirodu ništa o tome. Neka ljudima izgore kuće i cijeli grad a oni brinu o prirodi. Dobro si rekla kod nas ništa ne bi raslo po njima. A mi sadimo stabla nakon 2 godine na žgarištima. Vatrogasci koriste običnu vodu gdje mogu doći. Na teškim nepristupačnim dijelovima gdje ljudstvo i tehnika i vozila ne mogu pomoći ni doći koristimo kanadere i helikoptere. Da naši ovo rade svi bi izgorili. Zato im se proširio požar da će cijeli grad izgoriti. Uz ovakav vjetar a nisu dok je mali bio požar ništa napravili. Ovdje je sve zakazalo. Potpuni kaos. I teško će ovo zaustaviti dok ne padne kiša bez prestanka jaka. Cijeli Mediteran koristi more kad mogu. Oprema se ispire da ne izgrize i korozija nastane. Da biljke ne mogu rasti trebao bi staviti veliku količinu soli. Pa naša obala i bilje sve od bure i juga imaju sol po sebi. Kapljice odu po cijeloj flori. Naša stoka na Pagu je ukusna upravo zbog soli koja je po zelenilu a to brste ovce, koze, krave, janjad. Toliko ima betona, asfalta u gradu im al eto neće nešto rast kaže jedan nikako ili 50-60g. Onda svi smo mi mrtvi po njima. A cijeli život živim uz more i gledam gašenje kanaderima i helikopterima. Brzo efikasno i ubrzaju gašenje vatre. Bez njih pa skoro da je nemoguće veliki požar ugasiti. Neka još čekaju i misle o soli neće im gorit samo LA nego pola Amerike. 😲🤔
Točno to i ja govorim. Sve raste kad se zemlja oporavi. Neće rasti jer je spržena zemlja. I količina koja se izlije i postotak soli ne može toliko utjecati na floru. Jadransko more je slanije od oceana. Brinu o prirodi a što sve uništava zemlju i prirodu ništa o tome. Neka ljudima izgore kuće i cijeli grad a oni brinu o prirodi. Dobro si rekla kod nas ništa ne bi raslo po njima. A mi sadimo stabla nakon 2 godine na žgarištima. Vatrogasci koriste običnu vodu gdje mogu doći. Na teškim nepristupačnim dijelovima gdje ljudstvo i tehnika i vozila ne mogu pomoći ni doći koristimo kanadere i helikoptere. Da naši ovo rade svi bi izgorili. Zato im se proširio požar da će cijeli grad izgoriti. Uz ovakav vjetar a nisu dok je mali bio požar ništa napravili. Ovdje je sve zakazalo. Potpuni kaos. I teško će ovo zaustaviti dok ne padne kiša bez prestanka jaka. Cijeli Mediteran koristi more kad mogu. Oprema se ispire da ne izgrize i korozija nastane. Da biljke ne mogu rasti trebao bi staviti veliku količinu soli. Pa naša obala i bilje sve od bure i juga imaju sol po sebi. Kapljice odu po cijeloj flori. Naša stoka na Pagu je ukusna upravo zbog soli koja je po zelenilu a to brste ovce, koze, krave, janjad. Toliko ima betona, asfalta u gradu im al eto neće nešto rast kaže jedan nikako ili 50-60g. Onda svi smo mi mrtvi po njima. A cijeli život živim uz more i gledam gašenje kanaderima i helikopterima. Brzo efikasno i ubrzaju gašenje vatre. Bez njih pa skoro da je nemoguće veliki požar ugasiti. Neka još čekaju i misle o soli neće im gorit samo LA nego pola Amerike. 😲🤔
Točno to i ja govorim. Sve raste kad se zemlja oporavi. Neće rasti jer je spržena zemlja. I količina koja se izlije i postotak soli ne može toliko utjecati na floru. Jadransko more je slanije od oceana. Brinu o prirodi a što sve uništava zemlju i prirodu ništa o tome. Neka ljudima izgore kuće i cijeli grad a oni brinu o prirodi. Dobro si rekla kod nas ništa ne bi raslo po njima. A mi sadimo stabla nakon 2 godine na žgarištima. Vatrogasci koriste običnu vodu gdje mogu doći. Na teškim nepristupačnim dijelovima gdje ljudstvo i tehnika i vozila ne mogu pomoći ni doći koristimo kanadere i helikoptere. Da naši ovo rade svi bi izgorili. Zato im se proširio požar da će cijeli grad izgoriti. Uz ovakav vjetar a nisu dok je mali bio požar ništa napravili. Ovdje je sve zakazalo. Potpuni kaos. I teško će ovo zaustaviti dok ne padne kiša bez prestanka jaka. Cijeli Mediteran koristi more kad mogu. Oprema se ispire da ne izgrize i korozija nastane. Da biljke ne mogu rasti trebao bi staviti veliku količinu soli. Pa naša obala i bilje sve od bure i juga imaju sol po sebi. Kapljice odu po cijeloj flori. Naša stoka na Pagu je ukusna upravo zbog soli koja je po zelenilu a to brste ovce, koze, krave, janjad. Toliko ima betona, asfalta u gradu im al eto neće nešto rast kaže jedan nikako ili 50-60g. Onda svi smo mi mrtvi po njima. A cijeli život živim uz more i gledam gašenje kanaderima i helikopterima. Brzo efikasno i ubrzaju gašenje vatre. Bez njih pa skoro da je nemoguće veliki požar ugasiti. Neka još čekaju i misle o soli neće im gorit samo LA nego pola Amerike. 😲🤔
Točno to i ja govorim. Sve raste kad se zemlja oporavi. Neće rasti jer je spržena zemlja. I količina koja se izlije i postotak soli ne može toliko utjecati na floru. Jadransko more je slanije od oceana. Brinu o prirodi a što sve uništava zemlju i prirodu ništa o tome. Neka ljudima izgore kuće i cijeli grad a oni brinu o prirodi. Dobro si rekla kod nas ništa ne bi raslo po njima. A mi sadimo stabla nakon 2 godine na žgarištima. Vatrogasci koriste običnu vodu gdje mogu doći. Na teškim nepristupačnim dijelovima gdje ljudstvo i tehnika i vozila ne mogu pomoći ni doći koristimo kanadere i helikoptere. Da naši ovo rade svi bi izgorili. Zato im se proširio požar da će cijeli grad izgoriti. Uz ovakav vjetar a nisu dok je mali bio požar ništa napravili. Ovdje je sve zakazalo. Potpuni kaos. I teško će ovo zaustaviti dok ne padne kiša bez prestanka jaka. Cijeli Mediteran koristi more kad mogu. Oprema se ispire da ne izgrize i korozija nastane. Da biljke ne mogu rasti trebao bi staviti veliku količinu soli. Pa naša obala i bilje sve od bure i juga imaju sol po sebi. Kapljice odu po cijeloj flori. Naša stoka na Pagu je ukusna upravo zbog soli koja je po zelenilu a to brste ovce, koze, krave, janjad. Toliko ima betona, asfalta u gradu im al eto neće nešto rast kaže jedan nikako ili 50-60g. Onda svi smo mi mrtvi po njima. A cijeli život živim uz more i gledam gašenje kanaderima i helikopterima. Brzo efikasno i ubrzaju gašenje vatre. Bez njih pa skoro da je nemoguće veliki požar ugasiti. Neka još čekaju i misle o soli neće im gorit samo LA nego pola Amerike. 😲🤔
The Californian government response to this tragedy is nothing short of mass incompetence, sadly, I thought Canadians had the monopoly with Justin Trudeau still at the helm. Even with all their combined failures, there will still be those who believe they are doing a good job.
I think its fine for spot fires, but when dealing with big stretches of open land, the issue builds up if it isnt dealt with in time. Go out there with some PH readings
your effectively turning the land into a barren inhospitable place for a very long time with that action, Place excess seawater onto the land, it starts changing drinking fresh ground water reservoirs into salt water (that practically is close to permanent) and what are you, the plants and wildlifes going to be relying to live on that area
@@benjamindelacruz4791use the sea water for the buildings and homes.......save people homes first.....it is not like the farmlands are the top priority....
@@benjamindelacruz4791plenty of people from other countries have commented they use sea water to fight fires and have no problems after. But i guess better to have as many acres burn in this event because the area might become inhabitable from the sea water. Yeah, makes total sense.
Before putting it all on Newsom you might wanna look at city and county level management as well..... and also look at the history of fires in the area over the last 60 years. You'll see how little has been done....even when several GOP governors were in charge.
@@erwin734 Governor Gavin Newscum should immediately go to Northern California and open up the water main, and let the water flow into his dry, starving, burning State, instead of having it go out into the Pacific Ocean.. as trump has been telling him for years to do the south is so dried up bc newscum is a loser
Misinformation San Francisco has a sea water system for special fire hydrants installed after the earth quake fire .for city and suburbs to save structures sea water better than let it burn down and sea water not used up in the mountains and canyons but even if it was the salt would keep the bushes from growing back so fast and keep everything better for fire safety Australia and other. Countries and in Carolinas and places in U S use sea water for fire hydrants can even pump sea water from boats .all equipment can be flushed after use with fresh water like boat motors are flushed video is bunch of b.s.
@bzb500 San Francisco has one sea water pumping terminal and 5 terminals for boats to pump in sea water if the fresh water reservoir gets low or fails or needs more pressure tell you also that L.A. and San Diego have leaks underground sometimes even like rivers run down streets leak more than use is why after 2 Years of record rainfall and floods still do not have water along with no new reservoirs need investigations and tribunals .
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Not true. Salt water is fine. Corrosion is not an issue. Just wash after use. Fire truck exist In salty conditions all year long on the east. Bullsnot.
Please dont look at the appearance of individual, if you dont help,just shut uo,,,the sitwasyion was impossible to contain at once,its all over the places at the same time,the fire winds are strong,the more the winds strong,the more fire produce
Which is the lesser of two evils? 1:10 Saving 8,000 homes from burning? or worrying about future crops and vegetation? when most of this residential land anyway. They’re not growing crops. I just had grass on their lawn.
It's about priorities. Choose to sacrifice a little damage to the land or sacrifice a few lives and a few homes. Don't extraordinary situations require extraordinary measures?
it doesnt even damage a little. it only over areas with flames. get diluted. The prob is there is no leadership just DEI BOZOs who repeat the same words over and over
@@user-bh8fu9lg8r If it doesn't recover, replace it with structural. Or have the next generation deal with it. And by that time, technology will emerge. Look at Japan when it was nuked 70 years ago, they recovered. If Japan can recover from two nukes, CA can recover from seawater faster than the nuke.
Absolute nonsense. If your soil tests too saline, just scrape the topsoil after the fire emergency is over. What's worse than letting nature have its way with your home and your life?
They are clearing the brush now. You can clear the brush before the fire; or wait and do it during the fire.__ __They can take a quick vote of homeowners; whether they want to use seawater and save their house; or let their house burn down for the environment.
1:33 It would take hundreds of fire extinguishers to put out a house completely on fire. But if you have just one or two at the start of a fire, you can put it out. California was a house without fire extinguishers
No. I don't think that even the Luigi-style "Eat the rich" mob would do something like this, because celebrities and rich people are their favorite people, regardless of what they say.
They should have invested more money on desalination plants in order to combat these fires and actually have more water... instead they did budget cuts to the fire department and diverted tones of money to maintain illegal immigrants
Why would you care to fight fires with potable water??? Kalifornia government is too focused on building their own wealth. They certainly don't want to go wasting tax dollars on protecting tax-payers.
ikr...people are so dumb as to think the entire areas of the country that get snow and dump solid salt on the roads everywhere somehow have barren wastelands. 🤦
Canadians are there using seawater, which is alot QUICKER than the other helicopters + planes even though America's president- elect is trash talking Canada!!!!!??? 🇨🇦 see how nice we are?
@@MsBhappy They use pool sized buckets hanging from helicopters to pick up water and dump in the fire. They were using those back in the 90s Malibu and Pasadena fires.
LA sits right on the shore of the world’s largest ocean - so why isn’t seawater being used to fight the deadly fires?
#breakingnews #californiawildfires #palisadesfire #losangelesfiredepartment
The use of seawater to extinguish the scorching Los Angeles fires seems like a straightforward solution, but the technique faces a variety of complications despite the fact that the city sits on the shores of the Pacific Ocean.
While firefighters have sparingly tapped into the natural resource, issues like lack of reliable access, significant environmental impact, and corrosive qualities are key roadblocks to oceanwater’s consistent use in fighting the current inferno.
Depending on an individual species' salt tolerance, soil salinization can negatively affect plants by leading to a reduction of plant water intake, according to Soil Science Australia.
Former assistant chief for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire) and retired fire analyst Tim Chavez told the Wall Street Journal that firefighters try to avoid saltwater for this reason.
“We try to avoid it because saltwater is a soil sterilizer. If you add salt to the soil, you’re not going to be able to grow anything there the next year,” he said.
Los Angeles sits on America’s west coast, on the shores of the Pacific Ocean. Picture: Josh Edelson/AFP
Los Angeles sits on America’s west coast, on the shores of the Pacific Ocean. Picture: Josh Edelson/AFP
While the long-term effects of salt in the soil are not yet understood, the dry conditions typical of California’s climate may allow salt to remain in the soil, which some species can’t “tolerate,” ecosystem ecologist at the Smithsonian Environmental Research Centre Patrick Megonigal wrote in The Conversation.
He noted that the seawater being dumped on the LA fires is “full-strength, salty ocean water”.
“Our experiment found that salt was causing clay and other particles to disperse and move about in the soil. Such changes in soil chemistry and structure can persist for many years,” Mr Megonigal added.
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There is no fire at all
We don’t want those bushes that cause fire to regrow anyways
The governor is under fire for his handling of the situation. A wrong time to be a governor 😅
Imperial Rome used salt water so that their enemy, Carthage, would be eternally obliverated.
Read my reply below. I explain the reasons why sea water is and isn't used, and how to reduce wildfire devastation events.
So you are concerned about the environment from using salt water. Have you seen what is happening to the environment and houses with the fires. Here in Australia we have been using sea water to extinguish fires for years and the environment has recovered. Try telling home owners that their house has to burn because the greenies are concerned about putting sea water on the ground. This is a no-brainer.
When the wind is conducive, the aircraft can do it.
yep ! can't agree more.. i also heard that one of the reason the fire system 'under maintenance' for so long was caused by the small fish ecosystem was harmed when it accidentaly getting inside the fire protection installation, and the government was still figuring out how to safe those small fish while they're definitely risking lives of their "human" citizen..
They just totally dumb 🤦🤦🤦
It’s human error that destroys life, Mismanagement disaster
And misdirected priority
Funds, a fishy called smelt
Over human lives, I guess
a fish is important then humans lives, 17 million dollars could easily fix fire
Hydrants water pressure
And fill all the water reservoirs, what belongs
In sea, stays in sea (salt)
You can tell the difference
Land water and sea water
Australia is below the equator, America is above
the equator, so Australia
Can tolerate sea water
What maybe good for Australia may not be good
For America, Remember
Certain areas of sea can
be contaminated or polluted from boats oil
and ship transportation
@@ParaclytorZ They cant use the salt water in fire trucks much as it can cause some nifty damage so better to wait then make a truck useless
To many smart people in there
In Greece and all Mediterranean countries SEAWATER is used for decades to extinguish almost all forest fires expecially if they are nearby. No problem with regrowth of the forest and it's regeneration afterwards!
in Greece, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Jasper, BC, Winnipeg, Manitoba in Canada, USA, Maui all fires
started NWO system DEW = Directed Energy Weapon
This is very serious and ridiculous. Seawater and sand can be used. Both will decimate fire. We have ignorant government.
In France costal areas also. They have the same planes and re-fill their tanks while gliding slightly over the sea-water-line. It takes about 10-15 seconds to re-fill that tank and take off again. They do regular trial runs to keep the fleet tip-top, quite a spectacle for tourists.
Yes, I agree. Spent many happy days on the beach during the 1980s observing the scooper planes collecting sea water to extinguish the forest fires blazing just behind the hotels. As you say, no harm was done then. I'd be furious as a Homeowner if my property had gone up in smoke because of some eco lunacy. My sincere condolences to all those affected in L.A.
Sea water adds minerals to the soil acting as fertilizer.
In France we always use sea water and there is no problem with vegetables !
Yes but it's different when the vegetables are in power
Oh please when was the last time you had wildfires in a “vegetable” growing area?! Go douse your house fires with seawater, your residential lands are not chaparral hills beside desert areas.
@@KevinConnolly-ob9kpbrilliant comment Kevin , it’s absolutely true , the smolts and frogs 🐸 are doing fine I’m told !
@@KevinConnolly-ob9kp 😂😂
Do Americans eat vegtables?
News to me!
I live in Italy. We have being using almost exclusively sea water FOREVER. the sea are fine, the woods are fine and growing, nobody even ever questions it.
This is madness
Tell that to the liberals in ca.because people in Italy are smart. Ca is full of whining environmentalist who need to be in a rubber room.
This is California. It's ultra mad.
Ca officials would rather save a micro organisom than help there fellow man. All paranoid concern about zero.
@@Nttt739Not to help, but to make profit from it.
You're telling me that in the same country they put salt on roads every year, suddendly now they're too reluctant to use sea water to douse one of the most destructive fires they've ever seen?
@@johnnya287 fake news.
No road salt is used in Los Angeles.
What?🤣🤣
People said that sea water affect wildlife and plants, but what wildlife of plants are going to be there after the fires?
It seems in the age of social media people have become more dumber.Instead of dealing with emergency thry are more worried about future.😂
Wildlife always returns very quickly after a fire.
How dumb are you?
Plants grow back immediately after bush fires, faster and better
We have wild fire every year here in SoCal.. We call the season when Santa Ana wind blows as the fire season. Wild fires are part of California and the burned vegetation is what adds nutrients to the soil and makes them richer. The charred mountains become lush green after rains and the vegetation grows even thicker and all wildlife comes back. Unfortunately, when the fire starts near human settlement and the winds are like 85 miles/hour, there is not much firefighters can do to protect houses. But Mother Nature will bring back all wildlife in no time.
@@Vidyagokul right, but the excuse from the video is that sea water would prevent growth of plants...while the ones already growing are being charred as if it's no big deal. as though everywhere that gets ice and a lot of solid salt dropped over a few months can't grow anything and all of the vehicles driving on it immediately fall apart.
Kinda comical that sea water won't work in kalifornia, but works well in other countries.
It will work if it is desalinated..but the US doesn't desalinate on a significant scale..and only a small handful of countries in the middle east, and Spain have large scaled desalination projects..
Because other countries have large scale desalination projects that the USA does not.
@@elChulachaki Thank you! Is it safe to assume that desalination on a large scale is rather expensive, if not cost prohibitive?
They use seawater in Washington State
There was smelt fish in the ocean that's why they didn't want too scoop at the beach 😂😂😂
Are you kidding me??? They're worried about the environmental impact???? That's insane.
Why do you think they never cleaned up the forest brush?
Answer: Because of an endangered beetle.
Yes, that's right.
Why do you think they diverted fresh water into the Pacific Ocean?
Answer: To keep the water brackish for smelts (a tiny fish)
Yep. That's right.
Btw, California has an abnormal way of thinking in America. They blame something called climate change for all this, while it's their own bad ( and quite insane) decisions causing chaos on many levels.
The rest of us are trying to deal with them, like that crazy relative that has ownership of a small part of your home that you don't get along with but peek in once in a while. Not really to see how they are doing but just making sure they don't destroy the rest of your house.
Proves humans are dumb!
I think some (not all) are worried about the other big risk that Southern California has which are landslides and mudslides. I say use the seawater now since destruction is happening anyway, not to mention lives are being lost. But if soils on all of those hills do get contaminated (I don't know if true or not) and nothing can grown on them for who knows how long, there won't be anything holding the soils in place on all of those hills when rainstorms comes. Neighborhoods (and people) could get wiped away. Many areas in the LA area, especially Pacific Palisades, have had issues for years with slides.
They are insane ,just out of the nut house like most environmental people
@@patrisio3 good point. THis is probably something that should be studied. Maybe already have. It could be a game changer either way.
When I was little, my mother told me a story about a bus on the way from Vung Tau to Saigon that caught fire. There was no fire extinguisher on the bus. My mother personally scooped sand and threw it on the fire. The passengers saw this and imitated it. Finally, the fire was extinguished. This lesson teaches us that we must use whatever means we have to solve the problem.
That bus Vung story is wild
A sea water fire suppression system should have been installed years ago !
Government incompetence
aig, arrogence, incompetence and greed!
Bad report as it's false. Many planes and helicopters refill in the ocean. Duh
Incompetence?! Criminal behavior more like it.
Wef newsom is on the job😅
I think he more action but do nothing.
Ok so use sea water. People act like California is in the middle of the United States. Have helicopters fly in sea water from the coast and put these fires out.
Their woke folks would have a meltdown....😂😂😂😂the eco warriors would be up in full force.....
Yes, sure just like bee.
They are. Duh watch the videos
You do realize that sea water IS being used to fight the fire, right? The narrator plainly said so and there are scores of YT videos showing it being done. It isn't their first choice but it IS being done.
@@DoudD honestly, the ignorance of much of humanity is cringeworthy, eh?
Even when you give them the basic straight up facts in a video, they still don't get it.
So its better to be burned down than using sea water because of the effect. Is not like it's a farmland area
The infrastructure doesn't exist to pump it, and the winds were too strong for aircraft to operate over the ocean.
Yeah and we don’t want the regrowth of those bushes anyways
@@MonicaFajardo-h1q The "environmental concern" is that the brush/chaparral won't grow back in the salinized soil. They WANT the chaparral to grow back because, without it, the hillsides won't hold together and they'll have huge mudslides when the rains comes. The hills are held together by the root systems of the chaparral. Can you see the dilemma?
@@yt.personal.identification the truth, people need to watch the full video
@@yt.personal.identification seawater is corrosive
Saltwater is used to put out fires all over the world!
They worry about saltwater harming the landscape and then dump salt all over the roads to melt snow anyway.
No snow in Los Angeles. No road salt.
Use the seawater. Saving life and property is the primary goal here; worry about the environment later.
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The super scoopers from Canada using sea water
The super scoopers from Canada using sea water
They are.
Yah that giant fire burning all the houses down and releasing all the "carcinogens" that California is always so worried about is somehow less of an impact than salt water...
Fire is more destructive than salt.
Salting the earth is far more destructive it makes the land completely unusable. It’s California not the Sahara desert mate😂
No it's not, you can rebuild, and ash is beneficial after natural fires. You cannot unsalt the earth
Earthworms would disagree
@@TekkznYou can always dilute the salt later with more freshwater once the fires are gone
Go away.@@Tekkzn
So burning everything now is better than plants not growing in a month. Good to know you got your priorities right 🙄
ALL THE PLANTS ARE BURNED ALSO, DON'T NEED ANY WATER NOW, NEITHER
WILL THE 20K HOMES THAT ARE GONE, OR GARDNERS, HOUSE KEEPERS,
ALL JUST ASHES.
You have got to rebuild and regrow on something. How is making the land unusable for the future a smart idea. People don’t want to live on a concrete carpark. No wonder Americans have terrible natural disasters like this, they just don’t understand what they are doing. We would avoid using saltwater in any system because it damages machinery faster.
@@TekkznIt doesn't make the land unusable. Sea water is used all over the world without problems.
@@everywherenowhere6901 funny you sound like the brawndo it’s what plants crave guy. 😂
@@everywherenowhere6901 yeah I wouldn’t keep putting brawndo on the crops.
Nonsense, here in Portugal sometimes, when the fire is too big they use water from the sea...and our houses are made of brick and concret, not wood...
If salt would slow wild plant growth in the open areas that are now burning, would that not be desirable?
It's all a joke
Plant coconut tress, they need/love salt. 😅😅😅
His math is ridiculous. You're not fighting 8000 house fires at once. The fire moves from house to house. These are criminals that want the land for apartment complexes. If only their homes were in the way
so glad we finally have an expert on the scene!
Are you serious? You think the fire slowing moved house to house?
Around 12,000 structures.
Their "environment" is a patch of yellow grass, brushes, growing over a send/dirt desert.
Very precious indeed, they were thinking of cultivating strawberries and salads, 🙄 right? Yes?
Then this, the two hydroplanes from Quebec did just that, taking water from the sea 😇these disrespectful Canadians should be fine big time!
San Francisco CA have sea water hydrants to fight fires.
😮مجانين لم يشعلو النيران الا في لوس آنجلس وهاذه المرة الثانية التي يأتي فيها ترامب للرآسة ومعه النار فهاذا مخطط له منذ زمن لأن لوس أنجلس سوف يعاد بناؤها أفخم مما كانت عليه وربما يدخلون فيها البحر ههههههههههه صبرً فسوف ترون كيف تتم المخططات من أجل المال حتى وإن كانت على حساب الشعب الأميريكي وفي بلده ، لم يكفهم ما فعلوه في الدول العربية والإسلامية من سفك دماء وزهق الأرواح ودنار البناء بل لجأو للخراب على أرضهم ولسلب شعبهم مليارات الدولارات ، من الذي سيعوض لكم صورً منذ خمسون سنة لأبنائكم من الذي سيعوض لكم بيوتكم اللاتي التهمتها نيران المخطط الذي خططو له ليكون لهم جميعهم فيه فائدة كبيرة ولكنهم لم يأخذو بعين الإعتبار قوة الله فجعلهم الله يتناسون الهواء وسرعته والعواصف وقدرتها على حمل اللظى من منطقة لمنطقة فاندلعت النيران بمساحات كبرى لم تكن في الحساب .
@@saadsilverman8272 watch as God will used their own plan to spiraled the fire out of controls, the dry wind has no signs of stopping and neither the fire,no ceasefire at all.
Well guess why that is a thing now?
Are you sure it works?
I bet the sea won't have water 💦 when we need.
@@tentam1982😂
The state had no plan.
The state was the problem. Ask them about missing money, diverting it and also taking it away for this
"The state had no plan."
Really? What plan would you have ready to fight fires which burnt 12,000 homes including entire suburbs?
Do tell.
They didn't clear their forest and dead brush, then water was an issue, and in addition they also took funds away from the fire dept which is emergency services that could've been used. That's part of it
YES , has plans: cut money 💰 form fire fighter for illegal immigrants + bring illegal to Ca + release jail + give them money, alcohol+...
@@katiekie5653people underestimate how much of US gdp gets lost from corruption
Not a single House left, respect to the firefighters 💖🥺
Did everybody in the comments miss the part where they said they are using seawater despite the challenges?
People just read the clickbait headlines and think they're "informed".
"Sterilizing" soil, or having the whole city burned down? Prioritize
But can rebuild non saline soil
Let's be honest, LAs soil was already almost sterilized. It's basically a desert
CA budget- $2B for fire. $20B for illegal immigrants.
Kamala’s house in California burned down
Whats his hair gel budget ?
@ Probably. He gets paid $242,000 per year and he just bought a nine million dollar house.
And 2 dollars for your mom working at the street club in West Virginia.
@ Gavin Newsom makes $242,000 dollars a year and he just bought a nine million dollar house in the San Francisco Bay Area.
The governor is basically to blame. He mandated no to clear the dry forest floor of branches and dead matter which made possible to spread the fire rapidly. He also diverted the water from the north to go to the ocean.
Ron DeSantis is responsible for the destruction of Siesta Key ?
No, not really. This isn't a forest fire. Not all fires are the same. This is a brush fire. Chaparral. There are no leaves to rake nor branches to pick up nor dead matter. And the water for these fires isn't coming from the north and never has. I strongly suspect that county and city leadership will be found to be much more to blame than Newsom.
@@reyinfante5553 It's amazing that our government will tell you with a straight face that they can't stop a regional fire, but if you just pay more in taxes, they can change the entire global climate.
It's even more amazing that anyone believes them.
Gavin should be charged with criminal negligence.
@amremorseThere is always a solution for prevention, the problem is whether it is done or not
@ Always a solution? Sure, but that's akin to saying "Anything is possible". For a hundred or a thousand reasons our solutions might be constrained.
24 billion for water resivore none were built, 27billion to help homelessness and now we have more homeless people. Where’s the money at Newsome?!
our Governments told us the sea water is empty too
Why not ask the wonderful company that owns a lot of water in california ??? People should start investigating
Yes, that would be Linda And Stuart Resnick. They are the billionaires that own the rights to 60%- 75% of the water. Big Democrat donors and donated to stop Newsome from being recalled. They're the largest agriculture owners in California.
As long as you rinse your equipment out, it won’t corrode
I spilled a huge bag of salt on my grandmas yard, killed the grass, but now its greener than the rest
Attempting to defend not using sea water is one of the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever heard!!
People’s lives are the most precious thing.
Secondly their homes and livelihoods because that obviously affects stress levels and mental health. Many countries use sea water to fight fires and the environment still recovers.
if you have been sleeping it's time to wake up. Judge people by their actions and not by their promises. Absolute power, corrupts absolutely. Wake up.
Goodness people are still worried about the environment while the environment burns away
I absolutely admire the strength of that woman with the mask on confronting in newsome by his getaway car. Keep fighting! 💪🏼
This great comment should have thousands of likes!!!
that video was one of the cringiest things ever lol. what did she want him to do? I get she was grieving but man, that was not how you lash out 😂
She was just way too emotional and dumb ; not realizing the chain of government policy, budgets, decades of poor urban planning and mother nature are in a perfect mix.
Governor of California has to go.
There is no reason why firefighters can't use sea water to fight the fire.I mentioned that five years ago
Firefighters 🚒 only have so much water at a time for when they put out a regular house fire or something! But this they need to have unlimited water for as long as they can until it's finally extinguished so they need to get ocean water so why would there be any reason on why they can't use water from the ocean!!!
@@ericirwin413 lol just use the beach for a day put the sea water in a long tub the length of the beach steam the water with the sun and collect the fresh water.
@@ericirwin413 you can legit get Gallons of super heated water just puting you water on a roof during the day.
Would rather burn than use sea water...
You can't make this up 🤡
If each home in Malibu had a private firefighting pump connected to the ocean, the homes could have been saved.
malibu isn't the area's in danger.
Here in the midwest we spread salt on the roads by the train loads. All that salt ends up in the ditches and surrounding areas. After decades of this, there is zero damage to the environment. The grass in the ditch always grows back. Also fun fact: Dry fertilizer spread on farm fields is mostly salt. Manure also is comprised of high levels of salt. Been doing it that way for 100 years. Crops unaffected. Now people would rather homes burn down than use salty water to put out the flames? Unreal.
You can tell even the media reporters in the US are not technically minded.
Every ship fights fire with seawater! Every thermal and nuclear power plant "must" use a huge quantity of water for cooing its condensers in the steam turbines and invariable every large power plant is situated at the coast so that seawater can be used as the main coolant.
Thus there is one set of equipment for fresh water and another set of equipment, like pumps, valves and pipes, for seawater application!
Firefighting isn't a daily event but rarely needed so there is no long term detrimental supply of salt or chloride to the soil. In any case many plant can survive and even thrive in a saline condition. The effect of added chloride to the soil is a consideration but comparing with the destruction costing possibly over $100 billion it cannot be the dealer breaker.
The application of seawater to fight the wildfire can be implemented just a few days by putting wet well pumps at a pier, covered pipes, conduits or flexible hoses over roads, installed temporary modular prefabricated water tanks at strategic locations to act as inline/open pumping stations and water supply points. It is a simple job, to design, install and commission for the power plant engineers/technicians operating a large cooling water system. The firefighters just tap the seawater from the modular water tanks to put down the fire.
It’s a catastrophic emergency. I would think they would go to the Pacific ASAP right now and yesterday.
They ARE using seawater. And have been. The narrator of the story says so, outright in plain english. They couldn't do so in the beginning because the 80-100mph made it impossible to fly.
@@DoudD Ohhh, right, because in your world only airplanes can bring the water. Not hoses, pipes, pump stations, or even fire engines chained together to relay the pumping could ever be made to handle the issue much more effectively with a continuous flow instead of sporadic drops.
@@DoudD Oh good. Thank you for clarifying.
@@Thrashaero Metal and saltwater, and you have corrosion.
There is a facility built to make sea water into regular water but the special interest groups had it shut down before it opened claiming it would damage the echo system. So here you are
In Croatia we were always using sea water with our CanadAirs CL-415 and Air tractors, guess what, everything grew back normally as it used to be and we never had water corrupted from salt water like I read some comments here, if our planes and helicopters didn't use sea water, whole Dalmatia county here would be like Dresden too and vanished years ago.. Oh and btw they should fly more low so the water bomb is much more efficient and doesn't dry out till it gets to the land (we are talking here about enormous heat).. Our Canadairs fly sometimes on just 15 metres alongside fire and make a drop, that is why we are all happy when we see them on wildfires.. Best of luck to you guys from a fireman in Croatia 💪
Točno to i ja govorim. Sve raste kad se zemlja oporavi. Neće rasti jer je spržena zemlja. I količina koja se izlije i postotak soli ne može toliko utjecati na floru. Jadransko more je slanije od oceana. Brinu o prirodi a što sve uništava zemlju i prirodu ništa o tome. Neka ljudima izgore kuće i cijeli grad a oni brinu o prirodi. Dobro si rekla kod nas ništa ne bi raslo po njima. A mi sadimo stabla nakon 2 godine na žgarištima. Vatrogasci koriste običnu vodu gdje mogu doći. Na teškim nepristupačnim dijelovima gdje ljudstvo i tehnika i vozila ne mogu pomoći ni doći koristimo kanadere i helikoptere. Da naši ovo rade svi bi izgorili. Zato im se proširio požar pa će cijeli grad izgorit. Uz ovakav vjetar a nisu dok je mali bio požar ništa napravili otići će to daleko.. Ovdje je sve zakazalo. Potpuni kaos. I teško će ovo zaustaviti dog ne padne kiša bez prestanka jaka. Cijeli Mediteran koristi more kad mogu. Oprema se ispire da ne izgrize sol i korozija nastane. Da biljke ne mogu rasti trebao bi staviti veliku količinu soli. Pa naša obala i bilje sve od bure i juga imaju sol po sebi. Kapljice odu po cijeloj flori. Naša stoka na Pagu je ukusna upravo zbog soli koja je po zelenilu a to brste ovce, koze, krave, janjad. Toliko ima betona, asfalta u gradu im al eto neće nešto rasti kaže jedan nikako ili 50-60g. Onda svi smo mi mrtvi po njima. A cijeli život živim uz more i gledam gašenje kanaderima i helikopterima. I zelenila i šume već se koliko puta obnovilo sprženo. Brzo efikasno i ubrzaju gašenje vatre. Bez njih pa skoro da je nemoguće veliki požar ugasiti. Neka još čekaju i misle o soli neće im gorit samo LA nego pola Amerike. 😲🤔
Točno to i ja govorim. Sve raste kad se zemlja oporavi. Neće rasti jer je spržena zemlja. I količina koja se izlije i postotak soli ne može toliko utjecati na floru. Jadransko more je slanije od oceana. Brinu o prirodi a što sve uništava zemlju i prirodu ništa o tome. Neka ljudima izgore kuće i cijeli grad a oni brinu o prirodi. Dobro si rekla kod nas ništa ne bi raslo po njima. A mi sadimo stabla nakon 2 godine na žgarištima. Vatrogasci koriste običnu vodu gdje mogu doći. Na teškim nepristupačnim dijelovima gdje ljudstvo i tehnika i vozila ne mogu pomoći ni doći koristimo kanadere i helikoptere. Da naši ovo rade svi bi izgorili. Zato im se proširio požar da će cijeli grad izgoriti. Uz ovakav vjetar a nisu dok je mali bio požar ništa napravili. Ovdje je sve zakazalo. Potpuni kaos. I teško će ovo zaustaviti dok ne padne kiša bez prestanka jaka. Cijeli Mediteran koristi more kad mogu. Oprema se ispire da ne izgrize i korozija nastane. Da biljke ne mogu rasti trebao bi staviti veliku količinu soli. Pa naša obala i bilje sve od bure i juga imaju sol po sebi. Kapljice odu po cijeloj flori. Naša stoka na Pagu je ukusna upravo zbog soli koja je po zelenilu a to brste ovce, koze, krave, janjad. Toliko ima betona, asfalta u gradu im al eto neće nešto rast kaže jedan nikako ili 50-60g. Onda svi smo mi mrtvi po njima. A cijeli život živim uz more i gledam gašenje kanaderima i helikopterima. Brzo efikasno i ubrzaju gašenje vatre. Bez njih pa skoro da je nemoguće veliki požar ugasiti. Neka još čekaju i misle o soli neće im gorit samo LA nego pola Amerike. 😲🤔
Točno to i ja govorim. Sve raste kad se zemlja oporavi. Neće rasti jer je spržena zemlja. I količina koja se izlije i postotak soli ne može toliko utjecati na floru. Jadransko more je slanije od oceana. Brinu o prirodi a što sve uništava zemlju i prirodu ništa o tome. Neka ljudima izgore kuće i cijeli grad a oni brinu o prirodi. Dobro si rekla kod nas ništa ne bi raslo po njima. A mi sadimo stabla nakon 2 godine na žgarištima. Vatrogasci koriste običnu vodu gdje mogu doći. Na teškim nepristupačnim dijelovima gdje ljudstvo i tehnika i vozila ne mogu pomoći ni doći koristimo kanadere i helikoptere. Da naši ovo rade svi bi izgorili. Zato im se proširio požar da će cijeli grad izgoriti. Uz ovakav vjetar a nisu dok je mali bio požar ništa napravili. Ovdje je sve zakazalo. Potpuni kaos. I teško će ovo zaustaviti dok ne padne kiša bez prestanka jaka. Cijeli Mediteran koristi more kad mogu. Oprema se ispire da ne izgrize i korozija nastane. Da biljke ne mogu rasti trebao bi staviti veliku količinu soli. Pa naša obala i bilje sve od bure i juga imaju sol po sebi. Kapljice odu po cijeloj flori. Naša stoka na Pagu je ukusna upravo zbog soli koja je po zelenilu a to brste ovce, koze, krave, janjad. Toliko ima betona, asfalta u gradu im al eto neće nešto rast kaže jedan nikako ili 50-60g. Onda svi smo mi mrtvi po njima. A cijeli život živim uz more i gledam gašenje kanaderima i helikopterima. Brzo efikasno i ubrzaju gašenje vatre. Bez njih pa skoro da je nemoguće veliki požar ugasiti. Neka još čekaju i misle o soli neće im gorit samo LA nego pola Amerike. 😲🤔
Točno to i ja govorim. Sve raste kad se zemlja oporavi. Neće rasti jer je spržena zemlja. I količina koja se izlije i postotak soli ne može toliko utjecati na floru. Jadransko more je slanije od oceana. Brinu o prirodi a što sve uništava zemlju i prirodu ništa o tome. Neka ljudima izgore kuće i cijeli grad a oni brinu o prirodi. Dobro si rekla kod nas ništa ne bi raslo po njima. A mi sadimo stabla nakon 2 godine na žgarištima. Vatrogasci koriste običnu vodu gdje mogu doći. Na teškim nepristupačnim dijelovima gdje ljudstvo i tehnika i vozila ne mogu pomoći ni doći koristimo kanadere i helikoptere. Da naši ovo rade svi bi izgorili. Zato im se proširio požar da će cijeli grad izgoriti. Uz ovakav vjetar a nisu dok je mali bio požar ništa napravili. Ovdje je sve zakazalo. Potpuni kaos. I teško će ovo zaustaviti dok ne padne kiša bez prestanka jaka. Cijeli Mediteran koristi more kad mogu. Oprema se ispire da ne izgrize i korozija nastane. Da biljke ne mogu rasti trebao bi staviti veliku količinu soli. Pa naša obala i bilje sve od bure i juga imaju sol po sebi. Kapljice odu po cijeloj flori. Naša stoka na Pagu je ukusna upravo zbog soli koja je po zelenilu a to brste ovce, koze, krave, janjad. Toliko ima betona, asfalta u gradu im al eto neće nešto rast kaže jedan nikako ili 50-60g. Onda svi smo mi mrtvi po njima. A cijeli život živim uz more i gledam gašenje kanaderima i helikopterima. Brzo efikasno i ubrzaju gašenje vatre. Bez njih pa skoro da je nemoguće veliki požar ugasiti. Neka još čekaju i misle o soli neće im gorit samo LA nego pola Amerike. 😲🤔
Točno to i ja govorim. Sve raste kad se zemlja oporavi. Neće rasti jer je spržena zemlja. I količina koja se izlije i postotak soli ne može toliko utjecati na floru. Jadransko more je slanije od oceana. Brinu o prirodi a što sve uništava zemlju i prirodu ništa o tome. Neka ljudima izgore kuće i cijeli grad a oni brinu o prirodi. Dobro si rekla kod nas ništa ne bi raslo po njima. A mi sadimo stabla nakon 2 godine na žgarištima. Vatrogasci koriste običnu vodu gdje mogu doći. Na teškim nepristupačnim dijelovima gdje ljudstvo i tehnika i vozila ne mogu pomoći ni doći koristimo kanadere i helikoptere. Da naši ovo rade svi bi izgorili. Zato im se proširio požar da će cijeli grad izgoriti. Uz ovakav vjetar a nisu dok je mali bio požar ništa napravili. Ovdje je sve zakazalo. Potpuni kaos. I teško će ovo zaustaviti dok ne padne kiša bez prestanka jaka. Cijeli Mediteran koristi more kad mogu. Oprema se ispire da ne izgrize i korozija nastane. Da biljke ne mogu rasti trebao bi staviti veliku količinu soli. Pa naša obala i bilje sve od bure i juga imaju sol po sebi. Kapljice odu po cijeloj flori. Naša stoka na Pagu je ukusna upravo zbog soli koja je po zelenilu a to brste ovce, koze, krave, janjad. Toliko ima betona, asfalta u gradu im al eto neće nešto rast kaže jedan nikako ili 50-60g. Onda svi smo mi mrtvi po njima. A cijeli život živim uz more i gledam gašenje kanaderima i helikopterima. Brzo efikasno i ubrzaju gašenje vatre. Bez njih pa skoro da je nemoguće veliki požar ugasiti. Neka još čekaju i misle o soli neće im gorit samo LA nego pola Amerike. 😲🤔
From Perth in Western Australia can confirm IT PUTS OUT FIRES F THE SOIL
Eat your vegetables 😂
The Governor should be answering the questions rather than asking them now.
What questions? I can answer them .
The Californian government response to this tragedy is nothing short of mass incompetence, sadly, I thought Canadians had the monopoly with Justin Trudeau still at the helm. Even with all their combined failures, there will still be those who believe they are doing a good job.
America is just a big business from health to education
Wow .. not using any kind of water that can mitigate this disaster is an ultimate stupidity. No words to describe this lack of common sense.
0:26 The governor seems so nonchalant & easy breezy… like it’s flies and not people
if you dint know, most pschycopaths choose for high power and paid professions.
I have not seen that from any interview and I'm not his biggest fan.
“Burn baby burn”, a famous slogan from the LA riots. Absolutely horrible tragedy. No water, try throwing little smelt fish at the fire.
California voted for it. Gavin holding back laughter 🤭
California should have built a seawater purification plant a looooong time ago. Sea water to potable water.
or just pipelines from the shore. forget the desalination, it will happen over time anyway.
Just use sea water deal with land later
I think its fine for spot fires, but when dealing with big stretches of open land, the issue builds up if it isnt dealt with in time. Go out there with some PH readings
your effectively turning the land into a barren inhospitable place for a very long time with that action,
Place excess seawater onto the land, it starts changing drinking fresh ground water reservoirs into salt water (that practically is close to permanent) and what are you, the plants and wildlifes going to be relying to live on that area
@@benjamindelacruz4791use the sea water for the buildings and homes.......save people homes first.....it is not like the farmlands are the top priority....
@@benjamindelacruz4791plenty of people from other countries have commented they use sea water to fight fires and have no problems after. But i guess better to have as many acres burn in this event because the area might become inhabitable from the sea water. Yeah, makes total sense.
They have fake grass for yards anyway
Newsom is to blame with his ineffective policies.
Which ineffective policies would those be?
Exactly why is it his fault? Pls explain.
Ron DeSantis was responsible for the continual hurricane damage in Florida ?
Before putting it all on Newsom you might wanna look at city and county level management as well..... and also look at the history of fires in the area over the last 60 years. You'll see how little has been done....even when several GOP governors were in charge.
@@erwin734 Governor Gavin Newscum should immediately go to Northern California and open up the water main, and let the water flow into his dry, starving, burning State, instead of having it go out into the Pacific Ocean.. as trump has been telling him for years to do the south is so dried up bc newscum is a loser
US love their sea water more than their own citizen life. 😂
It’s not US; it’s California.
Why are you using a laughing face? People are dying because California's local government is inept. Why is that funny? It's awful.
@@aynako1538🤣🤣🤣They voted for the Left haven’t they !
Because its deserved@@aynako1538
Wow that lady confronted Gavin Newson without any fear but rather desperation. 😢😢
Are the soil, plants and animals ok ? ? ?
Luv the governor gaslighting the reporter to her face!! What an incompetent leader
Misinformation San Francisco has a sea water system for special fire hydrants installed after the earth quake fire .for city and suburbs to save structures sea water better than let it burn down and sea water not used up in the mountains and canyons but even if it was the salt would keep the bushes from growing back so fast and keep everything better for fire safety Australia and other. Countries and in Carolinas and places in U S use sea water for fire hydrants can even pump sea water from boats .all equipment can be flushed after use with fresh water like boat motors are flushed video is bunch of b.s.
source? curios
@@HoopsRaccoon The RUclips channel is called “What’s going on with shipping”. Sal put a video out yesterday.
@@TheCallo18 YeaI saw that, agreed with everything there except his explanation of "soil does what soil does"... it was extremely vague
I agree we have idiots in control.
@bzb500 San Francisco has one sea water pumping terminal and 5 terminals for boats to pump in sea water if the fresh water reservoir gets low or fails or needs more pressure tell you also that L.A. and San Diego have leaks underground sometimes even like rivers run down streets leak more than use is why after 2 Years of record rainfall and floods still do not have water along with no new reservoirs need investigations and tribunals
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They are but they should have spent money on water infrastructure from the sea nearby with desalination
ينفقون المال على الأسلحة لقتل الشعوب المسلمة الضعيفة
@alichakifi9668
Sadly Arabs are not Muslim.
Who will pay for that ? If another 100 billions is not transferred to comedian Zelensky's account he will terminate American government.
Expensive and unnecessary
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California State🤤🤤: "We don't want to empty Pacific Ocean water in extinguish fire at the expense of our coastal residents. That is unethical."
Not true. Salt water is fine. Corrosion is not an issue. Just wash after use. Fire truck exist In salty conditions all year long on the east. Bullsnot.
Governor looking Like a Mafia😅
Either that or used car salesman!
Please dont look at the appearance of individual, if you dont help,just shut uo,,,the sitwasyion was impossible to contain at once,its all over the places at the same time,the fire winds are strong,the more the winds strong,the more fire produce
He does as he chooses.
Better than actually being one, as per the other party
Godfather: I will make you an offer that you can NOT refuse !!
Marlon Brandon
Which is the lesser of two evils? 1:10 Saving 8,000 homes from burning? or worrying about future crops and vegetation? when most of this residential land anyway. They’re not growing crops. I just had grass on their lawn.
In the fire prone fynbos areas of South Africa, sea water is used to put out fires.
They have to protect the sprawling lawns.
Is LA planning on growing crops on the cement?
Gavin should sell cars!
It's about priorities.
Choose to sacrifice a little damage to the land or sacrifice a few lives and a few homes.
Don't extraordinary situations require extraordinary measures?
it doesnt even damage a little. it only over areas with flames. get diluted. The prob is there is no leadership just DEI BOZOs who repeat the same words over and over
U can build new houses especially for those insured but rehabilitating the land take yrs and sometimes it never recovers.
Have the people in California pay to rebuild not insurance companies
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Will the 24 lost lives ever be recovered?
@@user-bh8fu9lg8r If it doesn't recover, replace it with structural. Or have the next generation deal with it. And by that time, technology will emerge. Look at Japan when it was nuked 70 years ago, they recovered. If Japan can recover from two nukes, CA can recover from seawater faster than the nuke.
Absolute nonsense. If your soil tests too saline, just scrape the topsoil after the fire emergency is over. What's worse than letting nature have its way with your home and your life?
Salt water is better than no water 🤦
"Is it going to different next time"?🤦the question is,"Are you going to resign"?
They are clearing the brush now. You can clear the brush before the fire; or wait and do it during the fire.__
__They can take a quick vote of homeowners; whether they want to use seawater and save their house; or let their house burn down for the environment.
You're ignorant. Sea water is being used. Duh
1:33 It would take hundreds of fire extinguishers to put out a house completely on fire. But if you have just one or two at the start of a fire, you can put it out. California was a house without fire extinguishers
in the long term using sea water doesn't damage soil. it gets diluted from rain, & if its that dry the soil doesn't grow anything anyway
California barely gets rain
@@bos9824 hence why the reservoirs are a waste of money and a bad idea vs the ocean.
They don’t want to mess up their land grab.
I asked myself the same question. Why not use sea water. Then i came to my senses
we don't realize how vulnerable we are until nature takes matters into its own hands.
In France and the rest of Mediterranean countries, canadair planes have been using sea water against fire for ever…!
Did you ever think someone is trying to get rid of these celebrities?
Answer is YES but it is their land !!
Absolutely and the wealthy too. But it's still their property if youre rich or just a regular person.
tin-foil hat would look good one you
No. I don't think that even the Luigi-style "Eat the rich" mob would do something like this, because celebrities and rich people are their favorite people, regardless of what they say.
It's a way of clearing the land for new construction, insurance companies won't be paying out, only the mega rich can survive a situation like this
Slickster Nesome seems to have an answer for everything but his conclusions are mostly it wasn't his fault.
One rain season will wash it all away😂
When time comes nothing to help you
dont worry, you got a 800 Billion military budget. all that matters for the safety of the country
@delanofernandes6471 not too let but three late
They should have invested more money on desalination plants in order to combat these fires and actually have more water... instead they did budget cuts to the fire department and diverted tones of money to maintain illegal immigrants
Why would you care to fight fires with potable water??? Kalifornia government is too focused on building their own wealth. They certainly don't want to go wasting tax dollars on protecting tax-payers.
@@username-mc7jw agreed!
Have they ever heard the phrase 'Desalination plant...'
Yes. There's no need to remove the salt for firefighting. You seem to think that is cheap to do. It's not.
California liberals does not want that because it harms the environment according to them
Desalination plants arent instant and wouldn't be useful since you need so many gallons
I’m sure a group of young engineers who don’t accept the excuses could come up with a viable working system.
What are you growing when the land on fire
Right next to the Ocean…..
If somebody ruins your life . GO and take theirs.
Future rains 🌧️ would easily dissolve any residue salt from dropped seawater.
ikr...people are so dumb as to think the entire areas of the country that get snow and dump solid salt on the roads everywhere somehow have barren wastelands. 🤦
They are using ocean water. I saw video footage of planes getting ocean water and dumping it.
Only the Canadian water bombers (Canadair) can use seawater. None of the others are designed to and would corrode.
Canadians are there using seawater, which is alot QUICKER than the other helicopters + planes even though America's president- elect is trash talking Canada!!!!!???
🇨🇦 see how nice we are?
@@MsBhappy They use pool sized buckets hanging from helicopters to pick up water and dump in the fire. They were using those back in the 90s Malibu and Pasadena fires.
Very informative, thank you for sharing.
The cost of replacing firefighting apparatus the cost of replacing an entire city... hmmm... Let me think... hmmmmm...
Can we put a pin in that?
Then make a salt water filtration system to turn salt water into fresh water!!!
Newsome has the wry 'Clinton lying smile' when he speaks.
The Smiling Cobra
*Newscum
Big check, where is the sea water?
Out to sea!
The Mayor of LA is negotiating with Mexico to get Seawater brought in from Mexico. She doesn't know where else to get it.
Are you serious?
It's either sea water or nothing. Acting like you have the luxury of options.