Amazing episode. Restating Orientalism is a masterpiece to understand how Orientalism and Western Modernity transformed every society and how modern knowledge was a weapon to dominate and destroy social fabric of non western society especially Muslims.
LOL You know why Muslims keep blaming others for their own failures and inadequacies? Because they keep blaming others for their own failures and inadequcies. 😆
10:40 Three Types of critique against Hallaq. 11:43 Critique Type 1 - Hollow/Empty Critiques. 23:48 Critique Type 2 - Islamist Critiques. 30:50 Critique Type 3 - Realist Critiques. 40:36 Key issues raised in the Preface and Introduction. 40:56 The subtitle as the real title: "A critique of modern knowledge". 42:25 “Orientalism” as an indispensable heuristic. 44:00 Orientalism highlights the difference between superficial Identity VS the Substance of persons. 58:20 Orientalism is a euphemism for the hegemonic modern (Occidental) way of knowing; it is not monolithic or concrete. 1:02:38 The Imperative upon us, and the Faux-Imperative. 1:06:27 The importance and limitations of Edward Said's work. 1:19:59 Where Edward Said's work can take us (or, where we can take it).
Secular modernity cannot survive without colonialism and genocide due to its structural knowledge. ie. Orientalism. Thats... deep! Jazakallah Khair, both of you.
I'M SO EXCITED FOR THISSSS!!! Loved the previous series, such an eye-opener and got me following Iman Tom's other videos on Utica Masjid. Thanks so much for having him on again Brother Paul, because I love your style of conversing together. Jazakumullahu khairan kathira, may Allah bless and protect you both ❤
So much for the waiting. 🚀Nothing makes me more happier than listening to you both. The critical importance of Hallaq and his books that are being unpacked in its most simpler ways for laymen such as myself. 🔆 Nihmah of Allah. May your souls be blessed and to all those who should benefit from this dialogue. 😇
Allah is great ! one relegion and so many people from diffrent nations , and you Paul , your efforts in the way of Allah is beatiful . May Allah forgive you and give all good things in this dunya and akhira . May Allah allow to you and all of us be with our beloved prophet s.a.v in the judgment day and entire to paradise ❤ thanks again my brother and Imam Tom all these wishes are also for you ❤
I’ve bought the book some time ago tbf, but this discussion compelled me to grab it off the bookshelf. I’m eagerly awaiting the next part, these insights are greatly appreciated
Imam Tom rightly speaks about the khilafah being normative to Islam. He is correct, that details need to exist and be pondered over, however what he dismisses as "slogans" misses that purpose of this "simple messaging". What he calls "sloganeering" does serve a purpose in the grand scheme of things. It helps to create awareness and an opinion amongst the masses for the Khilafah. There is a need for high brow discussion and low brow (slogans). They serve different purposes. If imam Tom would like to engage with details on economics and other matters there are intellectuals in Hizb ut Tahrir who have written and researched these issues at length.
Cover page indicates a piece of paper that has been unfolded after sometime…which is indicative of how Said’s critique although significant was folded and kept away by most of the Western intellectual hegemony. Given current events this is a very timely discussion for “unfolding” of the ummah’s legacy
Powerful conversation, colonization even in our modern society is still very much alive institutionally through politics, academia and media. Understanding that and being aware of it is important for us to be able to keep our identity, it was not too long ago we have seen western society wipe out native people, their culture and the entire sense of who those people were. We are at a standstill where modern society believes that Islam is ‘holding’ them back so we need to be much more aware of these systems at play against us. Surely this is will be based on returning to our faith with renewed interest in it and furthering the knowledge and preserving it further.
Imam Tom, Islam is a religion that is simple and easy to understand and goes straight to the essence of the divine design, called Sharia in which the people are called to 'cultivate Iman'. God has given you the power to feel if you are cultivating Iman or not (be-Iman), those who are Imandar (who cultivate Iman) will end up in heaven, otherwise Hell. You and Paul are special and are destined to reform the moral mindset of the whole world.
1:26:30 this is a an absolutely critical point that i've been pondering on and reckoning with recently but didnt know how to find literature on it. would appreciate elaboration on this!
I will try to get this book. I like that: "Colonialized from within". Look at the churches, could not call out the slaughter yet call themselves representing God. And the people could not see the double standard.
﴿سورة القصص ٨٣﴾ تِلْكَ الدَّارُ الْآخِرَةُ نَجْعَلُهَا لِلَّذِينَ لَا يُرِيدُونَ عُلُوًّا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا فَسَادًا ۚ وَالْعَاقِبَةُ لِلْمُتَّقِينَ [Quran 28:83] That home of the Hereafter We assign to those who do not desire exaltedness upon the earth or corruption. And the [best] outcome is for the righteous.
Being challenged on ideology with constructive criticism should always be welcome, since we do take a lot of matters as granted or have not thought of before.
Paul, I really would like to challenge you to debate Rev. Anthony Rogers. Debates on topics such as: Tawheed & Christian monotheism; The Trinity ; Why I am a Muslim/ or not ; Why I am a Christian / or not.
Bro. Paul once I asked Imam Tawfek Shahin of Ottawa Mosque what is Sharia. He answered me in one sentence that any law that is good for humanity is Sharia. He gave example of Signs on the road and signals on the intersection red light means to stop and green to go etc
That is certainly the aim of Sharia - ie the betterment and success of people and communities. But it falls short since there is a whole divine set of rulings that are not within the ability of man to rationalize or devise on his own.
Surah Ankabut: 29:45 Recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book and establish prayer. Indeed, prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing, and the remembrance of Allah is greater. And Allah knows that which you do.
درء تعارض العقل والنقل تقديم النقل على العقل People of philosophy of reason ism of logic of كلام of creation of critique they share one thing they put their human reason as rival to the word and wisdom of the almighty .
The identity politics is real among Muslims. Whether the affinity is to a tribe, a nation state or even a race. We claim to be united under the principles of the Quran and Sunnah but the colonial mindset is alive and well. But Alas this is the Jahiliya the prophet pbuh warned about for it manifested during his time among the sahaba. It is a sin as old as man for the Shaytan was the first to call on his suppremacy in defiance of Allah.
Dear audience, read the book, take notes of Imam‘Tom‘s helpful explanations and do your own Halaqat to introduce those around you to Ustadh Hallaq‘s project - our project …
I study evolutionary biology, and they often use the term "colonization" for a new species taking up residence in a new habitat. This term cannot be neutral, and is an imposition not just on nature, but on how we think of biology, subħānAllāh. I often wonder about how we can think about biology in a way that helps us to understand it on models that are faithful to reality.
Read Seyyed Hossien Nasr and Rene Guenon modern biology is the root of the problem and it has profaned the sacred sciences. I really feel bad for muslims that do not distinguish between modern science and old sacred science.
In the pre-modern era, the Islamic State and Ulma co-existed in an agrarian world where the State had a very small footprint. Even in the past Ulma as caretakers of Sharia were careful not to step on the toes of the rulers, and the Sultans left Ulma alone. Muslim rulers always got a pass from Ulma when it came to their personal or court affairs. Ulma avoided challenging the legitimacy of a ruler because of the fear of the state's power. Now modern state is the norm, whatever its shortcomings we can not do without it. So how do you bring back the Sharia paradigm? Can you shed some light on this?
Massively off topic but is there a blogging theology video i can watch about the third caliph and what took place with the consolidation or quran, kind of confused there
Is there something wrong with the video? It keeps freezing for one or two seconds at a time, but frequently. I remember this happened the last time I watched your last video together
Wael Hallaq said, "My recent work has been arguing that there is no way to reach a genuine solution unless it begins from within ourselves. If we want to change the world, we need first to change ourselves, our subjectivities, our ways of thinking, or as [Reforming Modernity] argues, we need a new concept of the human." Talk, talk, talk, intercepted with surmising the impossible possibilities, is useless. Turn this endless stream of analysis and conjecture into a plan and make it happen. Wael, safely in his ivory minaret tower, needs to climb down and sit around the table with *real* players with skin in the game and make it happen. So far, he is merely continuing Islamic reminiscence for the good old "golden years" while Islamaniacs stew in their sharia juice.
I have a principle to not eat sushi if ain’t made by a Japanese. This is not written on stone, for there will be chefs trained in art and science of sushi making to the t. That said, will they be successful in creating new sushi or even serving the ones they have mastered with the right philosophy?
Dear Alie, Islam is only Quran & Sunnah (performing 5 pillars of Islam, rituals, Islamic calendar and few other things). Unfortunately Sunni and Shia Hadith books and Imamate traditions have fabrications, polemics and errors + good things too. The new Muslims should be careful about choosing from Islamic traditions. Just a sincere advise, I am a Sunni Muslim myself but our traditions require more scrutiny.
Noah Robert Graves. No, I finished school in 1944 The war was coming to en end and you were not even thought of. However those two are a couple of chumps as far as I am concerned.
Bilal .Afzal. Nothing about snide remarks. As I posted it’s rubbish as far as I am concerned.religion and silly people believing everything that gives them false sense of security. Millions succumb to it all the time.
elvis. his daughter lisa Marie. grandson ben. all went to early graves trying to replace god with the opium [weed alcohol Xanax cocaine] of the secular atheists. . don't follow them and Ann heche. Aaron carter. Matthew Perry all who did not want to worship the creator which is the purpose f life ..
ALLAH is saying All the praises and thanks be to ALLAH, Who has sent down to His slave ( Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa S A W ) the Book (the Qur'an), and has not placed therein any crookedness. (He has made it) Straight to give warning (to the disbelievers) of a severe punishment from Him, and to give glad tidings to the believers (in the Oneness of ALLAH Islamic Monotheism), who work righteous deeds, that they shall have a fair reward (i.e. Paradise). They shall abide therein forever. And to warn those (Jews, Christians, and pagans) who say, "ALLAH has begotten a son (or offspring or children)." No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Mighty is the word that comes out of their mouths [i.e. He begot (took) sons and daughters]. They utter nothing but a lie
Oh my goodness, Imam Tom has already changed the game with his examination of The Impossibile state and now restating Orientalism. I am all ears! 🤙🏾
Amazing episode. Restating Orientalism is a masterpiece to understand how Orientalism and Western Modernity transformed every society and how modern knowledge was a weapon to dominate and destroy social fabric of non western society especially Muslims.
LOL You know why Muslims keep blaming others for their own failures and inadequacies? Because they keep blaming others for their own failures and inadequcies. 😆
Modernity also destroyed indigenous epistemology’s
Totally agree, western modernity is a destructive hegemonic ideology.
May Almighty Allah Bless Both of You in this Life and in the Hereafter.
Aamiin
A‘miiin🤲
10:40 Three Types of critique against Hallaq.
11:43 Critique Type 1 - Hollow/Empty Critiques.
23:48 Critique Type 2 - Islamist Critiques.
30:50 Critique Type 3 - Realist Critiques.
40:36 Key issues raised in the Preface and Introduction.
40:56 The subtitle as the real title: "A critique of modern knowledge".
42:25 “Orientalism” as an indispensable heuristic.
44:00 Orientalism highlights the difference between superficial Identity VS the Substance of persons.
58:20 Orientalism is a euphemism for the hegemonic modern (Occidental) way of knowing; it is not monolithic or concrete.
1:02:38 The Imperative upon us, and the Faux-Imperative.
1:06:27 The importance and limitations of Edward Said's work.
1:19:59 Where Edward Said's work can take us (or, where we can take it).
Thank you so much
Secular modernity cannot survive without colonialism and genocide due to its structural knowledge. ie. Orientalism. Thats... deep! Jazakallah Khair, both of you.
I am very much looking forward to reading Re-restating Orientalism by Imam Tom Facchine in future Insha Allah.
I'M SO EXCITED FOR THISSSS!!! Loved the previous series, such an eye-opener and got me following Iman Tom's other videos on Utica Masjid. Thanks so much for having him on again Brother Paul, because I love your style of conversing together. Jazakumullahu khairan kathira, may Allah bless and protect you both ❤
So much for the waiting. 🚀Nothing makes me more happier than listening to you both. The critical importance of Hallaq and his books that are being unpacked in its most simpler ways for laymen such as myself. 🔆 Nihmah of Allah.
May your souls be blessed and to all those who should benefit from this dialogue. 😇
God bless you brother. From Morocco
I have to echo another comment about how enlightening and deeply enriching this conversation is. Thank you❤️
I'm really blessed to listen to this talk. From Nigeria jazakallahu bi khair
Allah is great ! one relegion and so many people from diffrent nations , and you Paul , your efforts in the way of Allah is beatiful . May Allah forgive you and give all good things in this dunya and akhira . May Allah allow to you and all of us be with our beloved prophet s.a.v in the judgment day and entire to paradise ❤ thanks again my brother and Imam Tom all these wishes are also for you ❤
Allah bless you Paul, Thanks For bringing Imam Tom again ❤, your channel Is of Great Value To me
Btwww, I was so excited for thiissssss❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
I’ve bought the book some time ago tbf, but this discussion compelled me to grab it off the bookshelf. I’m eagerly awaiting the next part, these insights are greatly appreciated
What a pleasant surprise to see this new series on my feed!! ❤😆 Bismillah!
Thank you Mr. Williams for presenting an interesting subject, having a knowledgeable Scholar, and for your valuable BT Podcast.
Thank you for the lecture, now I have more knowledge in this topic, may Allah SWT rewards both of you.
Been waiting for this. Thank you.
Great content with great knowledge.
Glad it was helpful!
I was really hoping for this, and it finally came. Thank you so much.
May god bless Paul and keep you on the straight path.
Salaam Paul and Tom. Let's keep this series rolling inshaallah. It is crucial understanding in this age.
thank you for this very informative lecture on orientalism. It is important to understand it.
Brilliant speech
really exited for this new series, especially after the impossible state series!
Imam Tom rightly speaks about the khilafah being normative to Islam.
He is correct, that details need to exist and be pondered over, however what he dismisses as "slogans" misses that purpose of this "simple messaging". What he calls "sloganeering" does serve a purpose in the grand scheme of things. It helps to create awareness and an opinion amongst the masses for the Khilafah. There is a need for high brow discussion and low brow (slogans). They serve different purposes.
If imam Tom would like to engage with details on economics and other matters there are intellectuals in Hizb ut Tahrir who have written and researched these issues at length.
Just ordered the book.Thank you for another among many great discussions.
Thanks so much for such great debate in light of the israeli genocide against the Gazans in Palestine....
Mashallah great video jazkalh khir
Well done , thanks.
Very academic and will go above most people heads.
Thank you. This channel deserves all the support we can muster.
" one of the most important books", Ive never heard of it. Looking forward to reading it.
PAAATIENTLY, WAITING FOR THIS SERIES TO BE CONTINUED
Assalam alaiukum dears brothers
Cover page indicates a piece of paper that has been unfolded after sometime…which is indicative of how Said’s critique although significant was folded and kept away by most of the Western intellectual hegemony. Given current events this is a very timely discussion for “unfolding” of the ummah’s legacy
Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou ❤
You're welcome 😊
Salaam alaikum to all
Yes! Perfect way to end 2023, and start off 2024 off with part II
Another brilliant episode with you both exploring Wael Halaq's work. May Allah bless your effort and his.
Powerful conversation, colonization even in our modern society is still very much alive institutionally through politics, academia and media. Understanding that and being aware of it is important for us to be able to keep our identity, it was not too long ago we have seen western society wipe out native people, their culture and the entire sense of who those people were. We are at a standstill where modern society believes that Islam is ‘holding’ them back so we need to be much more aware of these systems at play against us. Surely this is will be based on returning to our faith with renewed interest in it and furthering the knowledge and preserving it further.
Imam Tom, Islam is a religion that is simple and easy to understand and goes straight to the essence of the divine design, called Sharia in which the people are called to 'cultivate Iman'. God has given you the power to feel if you are cultivating Iman or not (be-Iman), those who are Imandar (who cultivate Iman) will end up in heaven, otherwise Hell. You and Paul are special and are destined to reform the moral mindset of the whole world.
Beautiful
I love you paul❤
Wa alaikumus salaam
1:26:30 this is a an absolutely critical point that i've been pondering on and reckoning with recently but didnt know how to find literature on it. would appreciate elaboration on this!
Hello everyone ❤
Two of my favorite Schollers.
they are not scholars
I will try to get this book. I like that: "Colonialized from within". Look at the churches, could not call out the slaughter yet call themselves representing God. And the people could not see the double standard.
Thanks people
Succeeding by brute force. Western model is like a vampire...always sucking blood. Most people are living lives of quiet desperation
﴿سورة القصص ٨٣﴾ تِلْكَ الدَّارُ الْآخِرَةُ نَجْعَلُهَا لِلَّذِينَ لَا يُرِيدُونَ عُلُوًّا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا فَسَادًا ۚ وَالْعَاقِبَةُ لِلْمُتَّقِينَ
[Quran 28:83] That home of the Hereafter We assign to those who do not desire exaltedness upon the earth or corruption. And the [best] outcome is for the righteous.
Being challenged on ideology with constructive criticism should always be welcome, since we do take a lot of matters as granted or have not thought of before.
Ассаламу Алайкум. Из Москва.
Paul, I really would like to challenge you to debate Rev. Anthony Rogers. Debates on topics such as: Tawheed & Christian monotheism; The Trinity ; Why I am a Muslim/ or not ; Why I am a Christian / or not.
when has he engaged in debates on this channel?
thank you
Like that...intellecual colonialism. That's it. Without a heart none can be a true intellectual.
Bro. Paul once I asked Imam Tawfek Shahin of Ottawa Mosque what is Sharia. He answered me in one sentence that any law that is good for humanity is Sharia. He gave example of Signs on the road and signals on the intersection red light means to stop and green to go etc
That is certainly the aim of Sharia - ie the betterment and success of people and communities. But it falls short since there is a whole divine set of rulings that are not within the ability of man to rationalize or devise on his own.
Surah Ankabut: 29:45 Recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book and establish prayer. Indeed, prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing, and the remembrance of Allah is greater. And Allah knows that which you do.
Thanks!
Many thanks
Thanks
درء تعارض العقل والنقل
تقديم النقل على العقل
People of philosophy of reason ism of logic of كلام of creation of critique they share one thing they put their human reason as rival to the word and wisdom of the almighty .
The identity politics is real among Muslims. Whether the affinity is to a tribe, a nation state or even a race. We claim to be united under the principles of the Quran and Sunnah but the colonial mindset is alive and well. But Alas this is the Jahiliya the prophet pbuh warned about for it manifested during his time among the sahaba. It is a sin as old as man for the Shaytan was the first to call on his suppremacy in defiance of Allah.
1st comment!
❤
Brother Paul when we will see you with prof Hallaq?
Would appreciate a summary before a discussion.
Dear audience, read the book, take notes of Imam‘Tom‘s helpful explanations and do your own Halaqat to introduce those around you to Ustadh Hallaq‘s project - our project …
I study evolutionary biology, and they often use the term "colonization" for a new species taking up residence in a new habitat. This term cannot be neutral, and is an imposition not just on nature, but on how we think of biology, subħānAllāh. I often wonder about how we can think about biology in a way that helps us to understand it on models that are faithful to reality.
Read Seyyed Hossien Nasr and Rene Guenon modern biology is the root of the problem and it has profaned the sacred sciences. I really feel bad for muslims that do not distinguish between modern science and old sacred science.
"Appeasement is to feed the crocodile in the hope that eat will eat you last" Winston Churchill
a drunk. who is now in lake of fire
Paul, do you have an updated version of this interview with good audio please??
In the pre-modern era, the Islamic State and Ulma co-existed in an agrarian world where the State had a very small footprint. Even in the past Ulma as caretakers of Sharia were careful not to step on the toes of the rulers, and the Sultans left Ulma alone. Muslim rulers always got a pass from Ulma when it came to their personal or court affairs. Ulma avoided challenging the legitimacy of a ruler because of the fear of the state's power. Now modern state is the norm, whatever its shortcomings we can not do without it. So how do you bring back the Sharia paradigm? Can you shed some light on this?
Mr. Editor, oyu could adjust the color balance a bit. xd
I cant wait until everyone wakes up from this nightmare from this psychological epistemic disorder 🤢
Massively off topic but is there a blogging theology video i can watch about the third caliph and what took place with the consolidation or quran, kind of confused there
Would it be correct to say that “essentialism” (as a pejorative) is a post-structuralist characterisation?
Yes
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Brother paul, what's that thing on the wall behind you, are you in a cave ? XD
❤️❤️❤️🤲🤲🤲
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Can you please fix the problem with the audio? I’m very interested in hearing this but every time I attempt it’s really messed up
Can buy these kind of books in my country
Is there something wrong with the video? It keeps freezing for one or two seconds at a time, but frequently.
I remember this happened the last time I watched your last video together
sorry! We are working on this..
Wael Hallaq said, "My recent work has been arguing that there is no way to reach a genuine solution unless it begins from within ourselves. If we want to change the world, we need first to change ourselves, our subjectivities, our ways of thinking, or as [Reforming Modernity] argues, we need a new concept of the human."
Talk, talk, talk, intercepted with surmising the impossible possibilities, is useless.
Turn this endless stream of analysis and conjecture into a plan and make it happen.
Wael, safely in his ivory minaret tower, needs to climb down and sit around the table with *real* players with skin in the game and make it happen. So far, he is merely continuing Islamic reminiscence for the good old "golden years" while Islamaniacs stew in their sharia juice.
Wael Hallaq is a Christian.
PAUL COME BACK TO JESUS ❤
JUST GOSSIP!
I have a principle to not eat sushi if ain’t made by a Japanese. This is not written on stone, for there will be chefs trained in art and science of sushi making to the t. That said, will they be successful in creating new sushi or even serving the ones they have mastered with the right philosophy?
Did Tom chant "Death to America and the Jews" in Arabic at the start of his talk?
No, what makes you think that? 🤔
@@bilalafzal7442 Tom obviously hates America and Jews.
No it was Bangkok and the Buddhists...
@@mostaq9779 Thanks...I knew he was a hater like all Muslims.
Please, change the thumbnail ... does not seem proper.
brother Paul, looking at the wall behind you, are you in a cave by any means ? XD
😆
Vassar College... isn't that a women's college. Has Tom transitioned since then 🤔
Not since the 70s....you're dating yourself
Tom, buy a better microphone 🎙️
Dear Alie,
Islam is only Quran & Sunnah (performing 5 pillars of Islam, rituals, Islamic calendar and few other things). Unfortunately Sunni and Shia Hadith books and Imamate traditions have fabrications, polemics and errors + good things too. The new Muslims should be careful about choosing from Islamic traditions. Just a sincere advise, I am a Sunni Muslim myself but our traditions require more scrutiny.
يا اخي صورة الفيديوا لا تليق لوضعها واجهة للفيديوا اتمنى ان تحرص على وضع صور مناسبه لفيدوهاتك جزاك الله خير
MUSLIMS, THOSE HARAAMIS!!!
I am very disappointed with your background Paul!!!!!!!!!!
What background?
Noah Robert Graves. No, I finished school in 1944 The war was coming to en end and you were not even thought of. However those two are a couple of chumps as far as I am concerned.
Bilal .Afzal. Nothing about snide remarks. As I posted it’s rubbish as far as I am concerned.religion and silly people believing everything that gives them false sense of security. Millions succumb to it all the time.
elvis. his daughter lisa Marie. grandson ben. all went to early graves trying to replace god with the opium [weed alcohol Xanax cocaine] of the secular atheists. . don't follow them and Ann heche. Aaron carter. Matthew Perry all who did not want to worship the creator which is the purpose f life ..
ALLAH is saying
All the praises and thanks be to ALLAH, Who has sent down to His slave ( Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa S A W ) the Book (the Qur'an), and has not placed therein any crookedness.
(He has made it) Straight to give warning (to the disbelievers) of a severe punishment from Him, and to give glad tidings to the believers (in the Oneness of ALLAH Islamic
Monotheism), who work righteous deeds, that they shall have a fair reward (i.e. Paradise).
They shall abide therein forever.
And to warn those (Jews, Christians, and pagans) who say, "ALLAH has begotten a son (or offspring or children)."
No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Mighty is the word that comes out of their mouths [i.e. He begot (took) sons and daughters]. They utter nothing but a lie
@ALLAH.ismysuperpower1794
You're clueless about the topic of this video, aren't you?