Were These The ORIGINAL Maidens?!? (RWBY Theory)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- A new idea has risen from the community. Are these indeed the maidens from the original tale?
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I think the Maidens reminded Ozpin of his dead daughters.
no those could of been his daughters who escaped and raised each other and just happened to stumble upon oz's reincarnated self but they wouldn't recognize him but he would know his children and instead of gifting powers what if he taught them to use their already magic power and gifted them the ability to pass it on to another person when they die
@@canadiagamer1888 If that's the case, then it doesn't explain why the maiden's powers transfer, or why Ozpin has so little magical powers left.
I agree with otter_boom he probably gifted the maidens the power of the seasons and since ozpin’s curse causes him to reincarnate the ability’s he gifted also reincarnate
@@calvinphelps8786 well their dad reincarnates right but their mom is immortal right so you cant have both its one or the other so I think the girls do something similar to both by being able in their last moments to pass on their powers to another
That would suck.
I definitely find it the most likely that Ozpin's 4 children were the inspiration for the Maidens as well. It would after all make the most sense imo! :)
I know you guys are trying to stay positive on CRWBY writing, but I highly doubt that, this is what writers are going to. Ozpin's children being original maidens, seems more likely to be the case.
Pretty sure the girls suffered the same fate as Ozma 2.0. Y'know...considering they had a big magic battle with explosions and have a full castle collapse on them. Also the factor that Salem would've turned them evil or Ozma would've looked for them.
@@darqdragon6269 ;_; they're most likely gone why else would he grant those girls the last of his powers?
I think that one of the relics is the thing that pryaa had on her head
@@emicerro88 What if... Aura is just broken Magic?
I agree. Also, I'd feel safe saying the daughters did die. True we didn't see the bodies, but RWBY doesn't seem like the kind of show that would show us the corpses of 4 little girls. I feel okay trusting the symbolism in this case.
Jacob G Very very good point.
A mid solution is some of the girls died and other survived. After all they were 4...
Agree. I understand why people think they survive because of the rule. But in this case is most likely they died.
The bodies disapear
When dead
So either Ozma and Salem's children survived their parents' duel and went on to seek their father out, gaining the Maiden powers, or Ozma's hermit reincarnation was inspired by the four girls, reminded of his children, and then granted them Maiden powers as such.
On an unrelated note, Pyrrha best girl.
You don't have to make Ozma creating the Maidens sound so maniacal. He did it so that they could help others like they helped him. That should come before the negative aspects like them being hunted. Besides, they most likely weren't hunted so soon. It's probably centuries later when they were commonly known and their powers were understood. There is always going to be a negative side to something, but the whole point of the Maidens was to create heroines, not targets.
I believe those first maidens got to live relatively peaceful lives without being hunted because people didn't automatically know about how the power is transferred through death. It likely wasn't until after they died and their powers went to other girls that people started to figure out that others inherit the maidens' powers after they die.
@@SailorRemnant I mean... that's pretty obvious.
What if the girls are the people in the relics? If you looks at the blue child's dress she has the chains around her waits just like Jin.
Even though the relics were made before, they had never been used (that we know of). What if like Ozmar the gods gave them the task of looking after the relics.
It's a long stretch but oh well.
The brother of light made Jinn when he made the relics, and he made the relics before Ozma and Salem even had kids. I'm sure any similarities between Jinn and the kids are just a coincidence.
@@logicseeker3770 oh yeah I forgot about that lol thanks
I thought they inadvertently killed their children when the mansion/castle collapsed during their fight.
@@cosmicrayy still a nice and interesting theory!
logic seeker Yes the god of light did create the relics before Ozpin had his children. But it was never confirmed that Jinn and presumably other beings were inside the relics before Ozpin’s children were killed. Keep in mind Jinn is a dijinn, beings who are very tricky in how they speak. Indeed Jinn was created by the god of light. But ‘Jinn’ could just be the child’s new form and that would be the creation she is referring to.
EruptionFang, don't throw shade on Ozpin "just because" as you did when you said that his reasoning was purely selfish (and imply that he knew what would happen without any evidence to begin with).
In the fairy tale he was that old and grumpy man without any care in the world (in negative sense) and after years of being, ehem, *ALONE* . You seem to forget that with your argument "He's had to come across other who could technically have been just as worthy of it" when it was said he was *lonely* (and could have been one of the times when he was like "I don't fucking care anymore").
I'm not saying that Ozpin's reasoning wasn't influenced by his doughters but what I am saying is that he might have thought "Those four girls are so pure and kind, maybe they could use magic in better ways than I did". Is it that hard to believe that Ozpin was at that state after multiple reincarnations?
Sorry EruptionFang but you seem to follow the trend of "Ozpin is a piece of shit, after he died as Ozma and random farmer dude, he became just as evil as Salem, every choice he has made is bad in nature and there's absolutely no reason as to why he would do it under any circumstances".
Ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you giving him too much shit?
I feel like If someone does something not perfect, its ok because life is complicated. But if Ozpin so much as recounts a fairytail, then hes a liar. This event wouldve taken place 100s of years ago, it wouldve been a fully dledged story, Ozpin wasnt necessarily stating history
"But if Ozpin so much as recounts a fairytail, then hes a liar."
I feel like you forgot to write one word because I don't get what you're saying here.
"This event wouldve taken place 100s of years ago"
Glynda: The Maidens existed for thousands of years.
Not to mention that this tale maybe wasn't told by Ozpin in the first place, it might have as well come from the Maidens themselves (whether it'd be to friends or family). But I guess it's a trend to blame him for literally anything. Even without evidence apparently because "He lies a lot/all the time". Just because he does it a lot doesn't mean he is to balme for every single lie in the world -_-
I totally agree with you. I by no means think Ozpin is perfect and I definitely think he shouldn't have lied but it's pretty obvious that EruptionFang has a clear bias against Ozpin that's clouding his judgement. It almost seems like he wants Ozpin to be evil so he keeps twisting things to make Ozpin look bad. Personally, I think Ozpin is a disillusioned man who's doing what he thinks he must to preserve humanity. Do I agree with a lot of his methods? No, but I think it comes from the right place.
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I think the same. Ozpin made a lot of mistakes, more than any man, woman or child on this planet but that doesn't make him a "ultimate evil".
I remember EruptionFang arguing Ozpin's reasons as to why he haven't told anybody that Salem can not be destroyed and ultimately concluded that Ozpin is just dumb and wants to "control" everyone... because (correct me if I'm wrong). For me Ozpin is not trying to defeat Salem anymore, he's trying to save humanity in every possible way he can. It's not a matter of winning, it's fight for survival of human race.
Back to the topic, yeah, EruptionFang possibly has bias towards Ozpin, it's possible that after years of theorising about him being evil he just can't accept that Ozpin isn't a man wanting to control people just for the sake of controling them (theory that Fang didn't give up in my eyes).
Ozpin is no angel, by no means but I think that this character gets to much shade for no reason.
@@ryujin8754 Yeah, I usually really enjoy EruptionFang's videos but lately I've been hesitant to watch them just to hear another "Ozpin is terrible" rant.
I definitely agree that Ozpin is going for survival rather than defeat and I think he didn't want people to hear that Salem can't be destroyed because he thinks no one will want to fight if they don't think they can 'win' and, in a way, he's been justified in that thought with how everyone's reacted.
I also remember EruptionFang saying that Ozpin doesn't actually need to defeat Salem to complete his mission and he's just obsessing over her which makes no sense. Jinn, in the story, says he tried to complete the mission but Salem kept interfering. Salem is actively trying to thwart Ozpin so of course he needed to do something about her.
The only problem with Ozpin being the one to give them powers, is as you said, by that point he should have experienced a few lives. Why would he give them the powers with those conditions of inheritance. If the daughters were the original maidens, then it COULD be the reason for 'somewhat' random inheritance. The power was unintentionally created from two magic users and their curses. Its also worth pointing out that in season 3, Ozpin points out that the story of the Seasons was a tale that was told when HE was a boy. Now this could be another Ozpin lie, or it could be an early admission, like "I've made more mistakes than any man, woman, or child on this planet." But it implies that the legend was already there.
So all and all, I feel that the 4 children were the original maidens, and Ozpin is using the legend to cover up their actual accidental origins.
Of course, by "when I was a boy," he could mean when Professor Ozpin (the last host that Ozma's soul/Aura melded with) was a boy, just as we can say that Oscar is a boy now.
Then again, the story of the Four Maidens seems to be a myth about the seasons, not (originally) four literal girls. So perhaps even the original Ozma heard that story when he was growing up among Humanity 1.0, and later made it a real thing with either his own daughters or girls similar to them.
I think your theory is spot on! I was thinking the same exact thing when I first saw the episode. It makes far more sense for Ozpin's 4 children to be the inspiration for the original Maidens if they reminded him of his lost daughters.
I fully fall into the "Inspiration" camp. It makes the most sense and is in keeping with Oz's character, both the good and the bad aspects of it.
I was thinking that they might’ve been reborn at some point.
I think Ozpins daughters survived that night. Like you said, no body no death. Thanks to Ren and Nora, it’s not uncommon to see children taking care of themselves after the death of family members. Perhaps the night caused the oldest child to ‘lock’ away her powers, seeing what magic did to her family, as well as shutting out the memory of her mother killing her father.
Fast forward to the story of the seasons, Ozpin comes face to face with his children, and was able to unlock all of their powers, regifting them, however the oldest child’s memories are unclear if Ozpin opened those up too.
The first ozz's reincarnation after salem killed him looks alike the old man in the tale...
The thing is the magic bound itself to each soul and fused each soul together from what I can understand. The powers and the soul of the first four maidens passed to a four other "like-minded soul[s]" or maybe "someone, a woman, that" each maiden respectively was last thinking of last and, the powers and souls, bound themselves to the new maidens. This continued in a cycle like with Ozpin.
6:10 is such an Ozpin move though. Appearing to be The Good Guy TM when in reality he's just disguising his own agenda. Ugh, that jerk better not ruin Oscar's life.
@@Nobody-lg8tb oh my god that's frickin terrifying.
That one scene where we see all of ozpins reincarnations (old hermit included) in order may help with this one and will at least say which came first the maidens or the kids
Well if the those girls are the original maidens then Ozpin's power loss doesn't make sense. He is weak because he split his power into 4 and gave it to 4 girls. If those girls were originally the maidens I can't think how Ozpin could have lost his powers
Or he lied, overstated how much power he had or perhaps even understated how much power it takes to transform into birds. Perhaps there are others he has given power to as well. Ozpin isn't exactly reliable.
2:17 I highly doubt Rooster Teeth would've shown the corpses of children
my favorite idea is that the kids survived but seeing the carnage that their parents wrought made them afraid and founded an order or something to keep the world from ending.
What I've been thinking is that ozpin has been around for a long time but story's hey changed over Time so maybe there is more to it than we've seen but we just might have to wait and see
I wonder if part of the reason Oz passed his magic onto the girls was that he was in one of the lives he spent either mourning his kids and Salem, or trying to forget the task given to him by the gods. A sort of, "I can't deal with this crap anymore, take my power and you do it".
an idea from my side that might be interesting: maybe the four girls started four important bloodlines? three would already come to mind: arc, rose (assuming rose and silver eyes are the same) and schnee!
I think its definitely possible for the kind maidens reminded him of the children he lost and that as well of their characters made him believe they could do good
in my opinion they are the maidens, the fairytale like many other fairytales is a metaphor, the 4 maidens gave ozpin happines to some degree, you could say that its the same when having a child. the maidens were born with magic by there father(ozpin) and they made him happy, but they discoverd there magic after he was happy. and about the incarnation, like there isn't any prof that the girls were cursed there isn't any prof that they werent cursed. so the idea that the girls are the maidens does add up
i feel like it would not hurt the lore for those girls to have been the original maidens. I actually think it would give depth to it, it would show us that the world we see is not just facts and simple ideas, but is actually a dynamic and developing place. There is also something else i noticed, when Salem summon magic before the apocalypse there was this black and white light in the centre, assuming this represented creation and destruction, it was not there when the baby winter maiden summon her magic. I like to thing this means that Salem and oz still have these powers and can cast their own curses, and probably oz cursed his daughters magic to pass form girl to girl so there was always someone to protect his vaults.
So MANY questions, yet so LITTLE time...... 😔
I agree with you. Also I like to think this. We know Oz fell into a rut for a while. And that eventually he got out of it. What if it was these 4 girls that brought him out of it.
The whole Video I was waiting for you to get to that point and I am so glad you did. Definitely Agree with you there.
OZPIN THEORY:
A theory about Ozpin I have is that he forced himself into Oscar early. We've heard that he supposedly came back much faster than normal this time. Maybe he normally goes into a baby, who's mind is under developed, that way he can assert full control and never have to worry about stuff like the person having free will, and messing up his plans, like Oscar just did. If he starts while they're a baby then they presumably wont be able to defend against his exerted control, and he can stifle their mental growth in order to make sure they never do. A little much I know, but possible. Maybe the reason he went to Oscar, who is clearly younger than the others, is that he was old enough to move around and fight from working on a farm his whole life, but young enough that his brain still isn't fully developed, and is therefor more susceptible to Ozpin's control. Because this situation forced him to come back immediately instead of waiting for a child to grow up, all the people he needs to help him, knew him as his old self, and need to trust the new him, that's the only reason why Oscar is allowed to be himself some of the time. Everyone needs to think it's an equal exchange. This latest episode shows Oscar starting to realize that it isn't meant to be. This is a curse after all. Ozpin isn't some wise mentoring consciousness that's meant to guide you through life. He's a parasite who's main goal is to use your body to achieve status and power in order to help achieve his vendetta against Salem. Maybe he knows the best he can do is annoy her, but if that's all he can do, he'll do it. He doesn't care who's life he steals, all he wants is vengeance against Salem. (Maybe for the death of the girls? Who knows really.)
You make alot of good points
^RWBY RoosterTeeth Series^
Volume 1 [16Chapter]: Meet The Ruby And Friends
Volume 2 [12 Chapter] : School Episodes
Volume 3 [12 Chapter] : Arena Fights and Beacon's Fall
Volume 4 [12 Chapter] : Ruby and Friends Going to Haven
Volume 5 [14 Chapter] : Team RWBY Bring back
Volume 6 [13 Chapter] : Ruby and Friends Going to Atlas
{My Opinions/Theorys}
Maidens:[~I think, Weiss's sister "Winter" is maybe winter maiden.
(~Summer Rose: Go a Mission and not come back. ; Maybe she still alive.
~Maybe Summer Rose is Last Fall maiden and Raven want her powers and ...you know...
~Maybe Summer Rose still alive and Wanted. Maybe she Lost Summer maiden)]
Volume 7 [12~16 Chapter] :
~Rubby And Friends going another School and another bad chracters Fights
(Special :
~ Maybe Adam Surrended.
~Maybe Adam dies
~Cinder and Neo follow Ruby and Friends)
Volume 8 [12~16 Chapter] :
~Ruby and friends find Summer or Winter maiden
~Ruby and Friends go another school(Maybe Summer or winter) and Finded Maiden open doors and they gets another rulic
~Hazel or Tyrian or anyone else dies, Oscar Finds our sembalance, Neo Finnaly Speak (I think)
Volume 9 [12 Chapter] :
~I dont know drem what happens this Vol
Volume 10 [12~16 Chapter](Final Vol or not) :
~Ruby Finaly learn how can use silver eyes
~*Ruby Ask Jenn "How To Revive Salem"
~*Qrow Dies,
~*Summer Rose Back
~*Ruby Use eyes, to defeat Salem, Clean Salem From grimm
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(Edit: Wow Adam dead at V6E12 i didnt execpt that)
What about when you see the three reincarnations of Ozpin after his feud with Salem? The first one was an old man walking with staff, and the voice over said at the same time "Some lives were spend in mourning". Maybe this was the old man/Ozpin?
I just haven't heard anyone mention this :P
Well one other option is that they escaped and Salem, now hating Ozpin didn’t bother to find them or if they were still there she abandoned them completely because they had Ozpin’s blood in them. Eventually after being raised by someone else they decided to travel and eventually ran into their fathers reincarnation, wether or not they knew that would probably be unknown, but he taught them how to properly use their powers and encouraged them to use it for the greater good and to help mankind, all of them unaware of the curse the powers had.And I don’t have a problem with the show saying no this is what really happened because that happens all the time in fairy tales. In the original Little Mermaid the mermaid died because she couldn’t bring herself to kill the prince and turn back into a mermaid. Cinderella went through multiple changes as well, originally a magic (dead) cow provided the gown and shoes, then it was birds and instead of two ugly step sisters it was several step sisters just as beautiful as her and as punishment for how they treated her the birds pecked the step sisters eyes out, and then there’s the version we all know. The original Rapunzle also was drastically different as the prince knocked Rapunzle up and the witch found out when Rapunzle’s dresses no longer fit.
I think it was implied when Cinder took the fall maiden power, that the souls of the previous maidens whent as well, and not just the least one.
Theory: what if summer was the spring maiden? It would explain why Team STRQ got supposed "special treatment" from Ozpin, and how Raven became the spring maiden. What do you think?
That's exactly what I was thinking. Ozpin saw the girls as being similar to his daughters and so he gave them powers so that they'd be more like him. Ozpin is selfish. Maybe he didn't know the full ramifications of the power or that they would pass on after death, but it doesn't seem likely he did it just to be nice. Maybe he thought they might be able to fight with him against Salem, but instead they left. Who knows really, though if there is anything we know about Ozpin it's that he apparently always has an ulterior motive.
I do though think it's likely that he accidently made the maidens. Maybe he thought the magic would return to him upon their death, maybe he had enough that he didn't consider it much at the time, who knows. Though there is no reason for Ozpin to make it a thing that passes on. Presumably it's something he would want control over. If he had done it intentionally he would have made it so that he always gets to choose who the powers are bestowed upon. He wouldn't have intended it to work the way it does. Honestly he probably had no idea what he was doing. The maidens were likely a big mistake on his part. They took a lot of his power away. Maybe he thought that the curse might be tied to the power, and that by relinquishing them he could die. Maybe the consequences were unintended he could have thought that as an old man he wouldn't be able to use them, and wanted people spreading good with the powers while the new body he moved into grew up. Then he planned to take the powers back when he was older, only to find out that he gave them away permanently, or maybe all the maidens died so he couldn't get his powers back, and he's been looking for them ever since, who knows.
Another theory I have is that he forced himself into Oscar early. We've heard that he supposedly came back much faster than normal this time. Maybe he normally goes into a baby, who's mind is under developed, that way he can assert full control and never have to worry about stuff like the person having free will, and messing up his plans, like Oscar just did. If he starts while they're a baby then they presumably wont be able to defend against his exerted control, and he can stifle their mental growth in order to make sure they never do. A little much I know, but possible. Maybe the reason he went to Oscar, who is clearly younger than the others, is that he was old enough to move around and fight, but young enough that his brain still isn't fully developed, and is therefor more susceptible to Ozpins control. Because this situation forced him to come back immediately instead of waiting for a child to grow up, all the people he needs to help him, knew him as his old self, and need to trust the new him, that's the only reason why Oscar is allowed to be himself some of the time. Everyone needs to think it's an equal exchange. This latest episode shows Oscar starting to realize that it isn't meant to be. This is a curse after all. Ozpin isn't some wise mentoring consciousness that's meant to guide you through life. He's a parasite who's main goal is to use your body to achieve status and power in order to help achieve his vendetta against Salem. Maybe he knows the best he can do is annoy her, but if that's all he can do, he'll do it. He doesn't care who's life he steals, all he wants is vengeance against Salem. (Maybe for the death of the girls? Who knows really.)
I'm gonna have to correct you on one thing. It actually IS established that it's the soul of the maidens that is being transferred. That does sound similar but different to ozpin's curse.
I think that the story of the maidens is more like a myth than actually true. The reason I think this is because during The Last Fable, we see one of Ozpin's incarnations, namely the Hermit who is wandering around homeless and in despair. He resembles the hermit of the story, but is also extremely different. That along with the four daughters resembling the maidens but basically being implied as dead leads me to think the theory about powers being passed on is more likely to be true.
The children were definitely not the first maidens. The children could use all colours of magic but the maidens each only control one colour of magic.
It has been stated that all the maidens have the same powers.
I agree with the whole the sisters reminded ozpin of his daughter. But remember he was an old grumpy man when he met them. And after they helped him get a new out look on life. And with good intentions gave them the powers. And of course the intentions he had was to have them spread their good deeds with magic. However this backfired and caused ozpin to make the story of the seasons just that a story that isn't true to protect the maidens. And the only other person who knows about the maidens is Salem who informs the people who serves her about the maidens to help her get the relics for her plan. What that plan is must be to kill the Gods of Creation and Destruction to prove that they are wrong. And this would cause the God of creation to see he was wrong with choosing Ozma for what he had done and have him be truly cursed with immortality where he truly is trapped.And cause ozpin to go into isolation to be alone forever. And s for Oscar well Ozpin would get his own body and Oscar is free to do what he wants
i’m just glad someone posted a video about this
i saw them and automatically thought
MAIDENS
In short: they died, their auras/soul passed on to other, like-minded people. pretty much like Ozpin's.
Then the tale happened, and four sister who inherited the children aura's find one of Ozpin incarnations.
This also matches why the silver eyes responds to the maidens. Because of the children's mother, Salen.
I think the daughters are the inspiration for the maidens. Plus if you think about the maiden powers themselves, each seems tied to an element while the daughters assumingly could use all 6 types of magic. I could be over thinking it, but it's possible
Maybe he found his daughters in his next incarnation, brought them together and then when they died took that power back and kept it "safe" from Salem after their original daughters died.That would give double incentive to him becoming a hermit, and getting drunk as other past lives showed, until one day four sisters reminded him of his kids, and he gave the appropriate powers out at that point... It's not a "great" theory, but it's a plausible one and definitely fits Oz's MO.
I go woth the inspiration. Ozpin saw his deceased daugthers in the girls, and bested them the power. But he failed to realise that the power hungry demands of humanity would in the end make this a deed, forever hurting him more.
If Ozma's daughter's survived, then they could grow up and be the girl's that visited the old hermit. But it having been too long he doesn't recognize them. Although I read on RWBY fandom that Salem accidentally did them in. But I'd hate for that to be the case.
Well, if they were cursed with a twisted kind of reincarnation, it might have been effected not just by the Light but also the Dark. Ozma and Salem are eternal because of Light but Salem also bathed in the waters of the Dark. Even if they weren't cursed, it wouldn't be inconceivable that it effected them. Saying they were reincarnated like Ozma but without their memories, while a touch of a stretch, was not impossible.
I do believe that the very first girls Past Oz gave those powers were the reincarnations of his daughters, but not any of the maidens that came after them. I think the girls inherited a diluted, temporary version of their parents' curse. Instead of just being immortals who reformed like Salem or people whose consciences kept finding other fully formed adults and teens to blend with like Ozma's, I think their reincarnation actually involved a complete rebirth into the bodies of brand new baby girls with no memories of their previous life. I also suspect that they don't reincarnate anywhere nearly as frequently as Ozma, so those first maidens may have been their only reincarnations.
I think he was the old man and he really liked the girls and he saw them as his daughters and see them as his daughters or maybe he saw his daughters in one of his lifetimes.The daughters weren't dead maybe they run away or reancorn like him.
Say here's an theroy on how Salem will meet her end. By Ruby Rose first she will use her silver eyes to destroy the Grimm half that is infused with Salem then use the relic of knowledge to enlighten her on the balance of life and death and seeing as her immortality is bound by her ignorance of that knowing would nullify it what do you think?
What if the original maidens are the children of one of the girls, then it would make sense that ospin gave them powers.
Another theory would be that the girls were the daughters of ospin but, since ospin's power of giving power is from the god of light and Salem's powers are from the god of dark Salem might have the power to take power. So if we assume Salem might have taken the girl's powers, then that would make them powerless and weak. Since they would be weak Salem wouldn't want them any more, they would go wandering the world. They find a hermit and want to help him. They help him, not knowing that he is their father. Ospin not knowing they are his daughters, because they don't have magic, gives them new powers because the girls act like and look like his daughters, also are very kind, and that is how the sisters the power of the seasons.
Look at the colors of their dresses. They represent the major colors of each season... and the color that each of the "four sisters" are shown as when we first see them.. and apparently hes describing this in the video
I am so on Edge Right now for the next Episode.
Another possibility could be ozpin opening a portal and his daughters escaping before Salem goes nuclear and the wizard from this story is Ozpin's next life and the Four Sisters grow up and find him by coincidence and then Ozpin does something does the hardest to believe in this idea he tells them the truth and no half truths or lies just the pure truth about his past life, the gods, magic everything and the Four Sisters want to help their father and the powers reincarnating is a way for them to help without suffering in eternity like there father
I agree with most ppl that the 4 daughters were inspiration for the maidens. The maidens came in one of Ozpin's later life's anyway and Ozpin and Salem's kids weren't cursed with immortality
Did anyone one else notice the old man version of ozpin in episode 3 so the maiden story is right I believe eruptionfang’s theory
I thought that the relationship between Oz and Salem was really f*cking cute!
Until the...y’know Inferred child murder ;^;
That means Salem found them after the house was destroyed and raised them but what if she didnt what if they did survive, and were found by someone else and oz, died and then became the hermit who later in his life was met by the girls not recognizing them since it has been 15ish years let's say and they didnt practice their magic so they forgot it, and he then gifted it to them.
As much as I would like to agree with this theory, there's also the possibility that Ozpin and Salem's daughters are the beings in the four relics. I know that there's not enough evidence to support it, but I find it uncanny that the oldest daughter wears blue has chains around her waist and and in her hair, similar to Jinn's character design.
What if they ran away and survived, adopted by a travelling family and so ozpin was left to die and reincarnate. The eldest was smart enough to hide her powers like Elsa to conform. Ozpin is now a man and him and the girls are aging so they are young ladies and he is old. The story is true and he passes on powers to them as they reminded him of his daughters and kept the only good of his family alive by spirit. The sisters saw what evil was first hand and chose not to go down that route and there you have the 4 maidens. With all the debris from the fight ozpin could've assumed the death of his daughters, not being able to bare looking for the bodies of his young daughters. That way he wouldn't be hiding the fact that they were alive because he genuinely did not know and didn't think of the possibility of them surviving. We all saw the mess it made and it was a lot but the eldest did have magic to protect her and her sisters. They could've even snuck into hiding during the beginning because as we saw in the episode when the fight occured only salem and ozpin was in the scene. Every person relevant to either the characters or the plot had an actual death and not some kind of disappearing act. Like mentioned, no bodies means you do not assume they're dead. Except Torchwick...he is confirmed dead.
I think that ozpin meets the maidens(daughters) in his next life when the maidens were older
Wait, people were expecting this backstory? I was completely blindsided. I assumed it was gonna be something like Oz wanting to steal the proverbial fire from the gods and hasSalem be his unwitting accomplice; he succeeds in stealing immortality, but fucks up somewhere and Salem takes the fall, being cursed.
Also, the only thing that could shake my conviction that they're the maidens is if Monty came back to life to shout it in my ear
wait what? this is a theory? I thought this was just explained by the thing it self. I didn't even consider otherwise.
1. Maiden powers = maidens aura. That means their souls become immortal and merge with the powers in way
2. Ozpin never even said that he was the wizard, so he wouldn't be lying if the story was wrong. He tells it like it's a fairy tale
3. What if the girls survived but neither ozpin nor salem were the ones who found them?
This video showed me one thing I never noticed before. Ozpin and Salem's eldest daughter, why does she have a chain belt that looks VERY similar to Jinns?
Selfish or no, Ozpin gave them those powers not to endanger but to make sure his daughters lives didn't went out in vain *That's how I see it* for a man who's lost nearly everything
I don't think the 4 daughters were the maidens. At first I thought it was a coincidence that Ozpin and Salem has 4 daughters, but the idea you shared about how they were the inspiration for the maidens makes alot of sence to me.
ErruptionFang, Fall the maiden was actually the eldest of those siblings. Says so at 4:40 of the story. Probably doesn't change much in your argument, but it's a pretty big tell Oz's kids were not the maidens
ok but when they were going to try to infuse Pyrah, they said their auras would combine and she'd lose part of who she is, just like Oz and Oscar
It was implied in volume 3 that tge maidens aura is transferred to the new maiden when they die. Pzpin says to oscar in 4 that his and oscars aura are now combined. So the idea of the maidens powers being similar to ozpin isnt that farfetched
Tell me your secrets!!!!
I just noticed that the eldest girl has a chain wrapped around her waist and head what if when the children (if they did) died they went into the relics explaining the. color of the relic of knowledge being blue and why jinn has chains on her because when the god of light had shown the relics to ozma they had no color.
Maybe the four maidens reminded him of his four daughters that he lost
A weird theory here , the daughters were the original maidens , but not because their actions but because the powers they caried were meant to be , once they did die copies of those powers returned to both parents , and over time Ozpin found 4 sisters that reminded him of his daughters , so he gave his gift to them in hope to rebuild his lost family , but with out Salems gift they will never be .
Maybelike Ozpin's curse, the 4 girls would have been wounded badly when Ozpin and Salem fought. So Ozpin took their power and soul's and transferred it to the 4 girls who helped them.
What if the magic was alive it could be passed to a person to another person. Magic never dies. So it's the magic that passes on to the next and it put with a curse could technically fit. If Ozpins curse was inherited but did not function the same as his, it could explain how it is passed.
Ok, so here is my guess (theory). The daughters WERE the "original" maidens. But, when killed, thier powers went to girls with similar souls to thier own. Now, why would the power do that? Well, magic only disappeared from the world because the dark god took it away from humans. He took the magic, which he had first gifted,but out of the world with him. But since he has already left, magic which exists in the world will remain in the world, unable to return to it's original creator. The magic looks for a host which is closest to its original host, the young maidens. As for the fairytale, that's the story Pyrrha knew, not necessarily the truth, even if it has elements of the truth. And I figure that when Oz got older and figured out what the Maidens were he made it a point to protect them. While at the same time, Salem would want to control them, which explains why she's ended up helping Cinder become a maiden.
As for the maiden and silver eyes, I think of them as distant relations. Maria said silver eyes are gifted from the god of light, who is also the one who returned Oz and set him on this mission. So I'm thinking the silver eyes are the descendants of Ozpin throughout the ages. But the maidens powers are magic, gifted from the dark god. So they are both gifts bestowed from one of the gods, both linked back to ozpin, and both able to grant incredible power.
I like to think the girls survived without Salem knowing and went on to be the maidens in the fairy tale.
I thought Winter was the Youngest and ascended to Fall being the oldest? At least in the Fairy Tale.
I do agree the children had Winter as the oldest though.
Holy what if winter becomes the winter maiden? Wouldn’t that make so much sense?
You may have said this but I think, that the maidens magic passed on to others like ozpins reincarnation. But only the powers were able to be passed on.
Well if Oz gave them the power he should be able to revoke or easily overcome said power
If indeed Oz was the old man that granted the 4 powers, shouldn't he have been able to have taken that power away from Cinder or just transferred the remainder of what was in the fallen maiden into his new chosen vessel for it? What could have prevented that?
What if they’re both true? The kids were the maidens, born with magic that must itself reincarnate. When they died, that night the last person they thought of was their dad, ospin, so he gained it, in addition to his normal magic. Then in a later life he gave the powers to the maidens in the story, for the reasons you said.
It would make sense as then he had that power to give away in the first place. Otherwise ospin could gift out magic on a whim, (which he would do to fight Salem otherwise)
I thought glynda goodwitch was one of his kids bc she kinda had magic powers no one could explain we didn’t even know her exact Symblance
Great theory EruptionFang......hope it gets confirmed this volume.
P.S. do you think it’s possible that you can make a new theory on Ruby and the silver eyes, and why Salem is so hell bent on hunting them down
I thought that the madains were his children that grew up and bappened apon ozpins next life
if the kids were the maidens they could have still died, there power transfers through death
but than again oz did say that he gave 4 girls the powers what would he have to gain by lying?
You know once a story becomes a fairytale there’s many versions of it so technically he didn’t lie
No, their immortality was gifted to Ozpin and Salem without the side effect of it spreading, but Ozpin planned the powers to go from person to person
what if it was a combination of the two, Ozpin gave them the power because they reminded him of his four daughter, only they are his daughters only grown up
I think team RWBY is the reincarnations of these children because the their personality and characteristics are similar as you can see the one who is holding a black toy is Blake and the one who is reading a book is Whites, and the other two who runs around or massing about is yang and ruby
But Its just a theory of mine
Isn't it possible that the girls survived and somehow Salem didn't find and raise them then it would fall to the eldest to keep the group together and years later the four of them somehow manage to track down Ozpin and comfort him in his time of depression and since Ozpin had thought that his had daughters died he didn't even consider the fact the four girls could in fact be his children and when he gave his power to them it gave them the ability to use elemental magic freely because only the eldest daughter was shown to have magic that meant all four at least have the potential to use magic
I thought this was obvious didn't realize it's just a theory
Ospin supposedly gave the maidens magic because of the kindness they showed. Given the theme of reincarnation, its possible that the maidens resembled his daughters, and after they showed him kindness he gave them magic
I assumed that when the girls died their powers sort out a new host like Ozpin... just not their personalities... the parts of them that makes them Ozpins children. But I dunno
I believe they only inspired the maidens, that’s all. But we can’t use the “no body, not dead” excuse because in this world when someone dies they turn to dust
maybe ozpin's curse got passed to the powers? makes very little sense but...
I had the same in mind for a while now
So i think that the girls did not die and thay are the maidens from the story oz in one of his life’s before the girls died that found him and gave him kindness thay already have magic oz just gave them more and the ability to transfer so that the magic would be there to help him unless he lied in the last volume he made the story true because he gave up his powers to them idk just what I thought when I saw this whole thing