For us in the north, a simple tip for keeping the hands warms. Go to Walmart and buy the little hot hands packets. I wear mechanix gloves and put them in the gloves in such a way they are on the top side of my hands. They last for hours and keep you hands toasty and don't affect your dexterity. Depending on how tight of a fit you have with your gloves you may need to bump up a size. The packets arent that thick but it maybe something you need to do.
I also keep a Tac Muff in my kit that I can attach to my belt when it gets cold. My hands have been frost bit before and the ability to slip my hands inside occasionally make a world of difference. I also throw a couple of Hot Hands inside the Muff to keep it toasty.
This video is gold, couple of Floridians experience cold for the very first time and are thrown so far out of their element they make a video like hey guys did you know that cold weather sucks and you have to prepare yourself and your kit for it 🤣😂
Live in UT and spent a few nights out training at or around 0 within the last month. Which is pretty cold. But I can agree that below 32 with a really high humidity level is just not fun at all to be in. Have had many worse nights in below zero with high humidity than nights around 0.
"Well you cant learn that way and those guys are probably really weak on the inside" Dufresne telling it like it is. I live in washington where it has also been cold and wet recently, ive started putting cat crap on every lens surface of my nods. Inside and outside of my tarsiers and both lenses on the device itself. I also ranger band the tarsier to the focus ring which helps keep moisture out. So far so good!
this was a helpful and timely video. took greenline night fighter w sam a couple years back. it was cold foggy and miserable. learned a lot that night. retaking it this year and hoping for better weather but preparing for worse. the pushing helmet up trick is both common sense and brilliant and i will absolutely try that when appropriate. thanks fellas
Nitrile gloves worn under your thin gloves will give you more comfort because they trap evaporative body heat, in extreme cold you can do the same with VBL socks or kroger bags on the feet and then socks on top. Cold feet culprit is often boots to tight, people layer up socks which is fine but in boots without wide toe you get reduced circulation therefore I like Altra lone peaks (non gtx b/c gtx doesnt allow foot to breathe and will wet out from sweat even if waterproof) combined with a synthetic injiji toe sock and on top of that a darn tough wool. HEAT gloves are also good, made for Swedish SF, allow for dexterity.
I am signed up for Great Falls MT NF101 class in September. Planning on flying from AK a couple days early just to zero my rifle. Can’t wait for my un-filmed WP DTNVS to come in this spring. Will be a whole lot of daylight up here by that time.
30 degrees.. LOL I love you guys but 30 degree anti cold not even with “humidity” I loved how you threw that in though as if it’s comparable to 0 degrees 😑 come on down to Kansas where it’s miserably cold and humid, almost always skips spring and goes straight into hot humid absolutely miserable heat.
Funny you mention PA, I literally just spent all Saturday at a night shoot out in the snow up here. 100% had to bundle up and hand warmers were a life saver. First time a plate carrier was a nice warning addition.
Pennsylvania checking in. Coming from someone who works outside year round, when it gets up to 30 degrees with 65-75% humidity, I’m ditching layers. Out west, there’s considerably less humidity, but often this time of year, we’re in 10-25 degrees with 60%+ humidity. 30’s would be warm right now lol
I’m just going to keep adding comments as I get deeper into the video. Into gloves, for anyone interested, I have a video up on my channel with a retired Force Recon dude talking about gloves for the cold. If you’re looking for info, that could be a good resource. I’ve also had really good luck with the SKD insulated PIG gloves for active tasks. Working outside in the winter, they keep my hands warm and dry while active. They’re not too bulky for manipulating rifle controls, but you may struggle slightly with compact frame pistols. It’s definitely easier to shoot my G17’s with them on than it is my G19’s.
I'm up in Ontario and I hear you there, not uncommon to be working outside in -20's C / -4 F or colder and being up on rooftops with the stronger wind as well. Wind chill isn't a joke and humidity can be quite high as well. Layers is key and an outer layer that can break the wind.
@@tripplewhipper absolutely. Add on top of that cycles of rest and activity, it can make it hard to stay warm and dry. A good base layer and good socks are essential
I went to a NV shoot with Sam and my light blocked by elevation adjustment on the mawl. Swapped it to the other side after I was "that guy" holding everyone up in the zero check. Great tip 👍
after spending 30+ years doing HVAC work in the NYC area I can honestly say I have BTDT. for instance, when the heat fails at police HQ in Yaphank at 2 am Saturday night, I was the guy who drove there in a blizzard, got on the roof and fixed the machine.
“ Cold Weather” training in Florida? Cmon fellas that is some funny shit! Come up to the Utah mountains at 9,000 ft plus where I live. Seriously though great stuff as always
You do understand both of us are children of the GWOT and have conducted operations in the Hindu Kush mountains of Afghanistan well into and above that 9000 foot elevation. The humidity is the great equalizer.
I used to teach skiing. Peoples ability to learn is drastically reduced when they are uncomfortable(cold/feet hurt/hungry/have to pee). I’ll probably get some hate but jet boil and hot cocoa really helps
About 9 minutes in, so forgive me if you touch on this, but those shake hand warmers, they make a “toasty toe” version that adheres to socks. I’ve been doing some morning hunts and I despise wearing muck boots so I wear my Solomon’s. With one pair of synthetic socks. And either a toasty toe on top or bottom. Sometimes both. And Morino Wool sock over the top holding it in place because the adhesive sucks. But while walking. That stuff gets hot. And stays hot for about 6 hours. So maybe would only need them on top of the toes. Because by standing on them. They can really get hot standing on them directly and teaching. So on top with some tight Solomon’s they rock. My feet sweat regardless. So this was a great fix to cold issue.
Living in the PNW and coming from my last duty station in VA, a molly on or some sort of hand warming sleeve is a must. If it’s good enough for a 1million dollar ball thrower it’s good enough for my hands.
Nitrile gloves behind tac gloves your hands might sweat more and you’ll need to drink more water and make sure you don’t cramp up but it gives you a short term advantage
I need to get one of those cold weather liners. Keeping warm is much easier when you are moving around, but when you are on a several hour sit in the winter, time seems to stop moving with how cold you get.
Team Wendy has a balaclava that fits nicely under most helmets (the over head portion is much thinner than the rest). I find it much easier to use compared to the Unity liner because it doesn’t attach to the helmet and doesn’t go under the helmet pads.
Went out night hunting with my DTNVS 2 weeks ago when it was 12 degrees out. Hit a patch of ice in my RZR and flipped 5 or 6 times. DTNVS went flying around the cab on my helmet and hit me in the face. Somehow my DTNVS is unscathed. Good shit from TNVC.
Did you experience a severe drop in battery life? Also, taking freezing weapons indoors and letting them warm up quickly is a recipe for disaster as they will sweat immediately. Better to keep them in a bag and let them warm up gradually and then air them out. But what do I know… I’m just a crazy guy running around the mountains of Montana in subzero temperatures.
Regarding gloves and tactile function. Kind of hit me that if you could insulate the top part of the glove, but leave a little "tactile" function on the palm of the glove, seems like you could have the best of both worlds. If you're gripping a weapon, you aren't really battling wind and weather. Do you guys know of anything like that? Just keep the tops of your hands warm in cold weather?
Layers. For the bottoms they have these thin silk layers that go under your pants. Socks..I find that wearing 2 pairs of thin socks that are part wool with wicking work much better than 1 pair of heavy wool socks. I cant however figure out the glove thing. I really need some ideas
Did you guys get to reassess/measure zero shift upon returning to your baseline weather conditions? That would potentially validate wx/temp as the cause. RLTW!
Under armor base layer is the shit by the way. Stuff is expensive but man it keeps you warm with thin layers. Also if you don’t have the cold weather liner use one of those Muslim scarf things, they are huge but also thin and you can wear a corner of it under your helmet and then flip it over your helmet, covers your neck and the sides of your face and doesn’t mess you your night vision or get in the way. There is truth to the cold weather liner, normally beanies are to thick to wear under a helmet and you will squeeze your head. My lens only fog if I have something covering my face, I do apply the anti fog cat shit stuff and it works to a degree
30°? I’m used to being in environments where my “night vision considerations” are carrying 5 sets of batteries because they literally stop working after less than an hour. Maybe change cold to cool in the title.?
Great video. But come on guys 30-39 degrees is absolutely awesome weather to train in. I was stationed in northern Alaska and northern Maine and can tell you I wish I had the weather you guys had when we went shooting/training back in the day. Our average temps in the day was under 10 degrees and as cold as -40. We learn how to adapt early in our military career. They drop us off on an island in Alaska and you have to survive for a week. That’s how you learn. And none of us said we are tough guys it’s just some of us have adapted to colder environments. That’s life. Don’t shit on us because our cold threshold is higher than yours. You have adapt or you die out there. It’s as simple as that. 👍 I would suggest/recommend you both get out to Alaska and train with Alaska State Police or Maine State Police. You will come to appreciate what real cold is and not complain about warm summer 30 degree weather. It was 27 tonight here and we were just fine shooting. It gets cold but you adapt. That’s what we do in the military right? That’s what I did for 20+ years in service. 🍺 Reality is for everyone if it’s colder than 11 F then you have to protect your face and other extremities.. If it’s warmer you can hike, hunt whatever and be just fine, regardless of humidity. Now that I beat that to death, great video otherwise. John you look sick. You look like shit. I thought you were Force Recon? Cold shooting should be a walk in the park for you if that’s the case. 🤷
Not if you're a native and are used to 50-60 degree "winters". Humidity. He touched on it, I've experienced negative degree temps, likewise I've experienced triple digit temps in deserts and humidity is the key factor. In both extremes I was far more comfortable. 126 with no humidity felt great, didn't sweat at all. 90 with 60% humidity and I felt like I was dying. Just something to consider
Just took a cold outdoor class and the best piece of equipment I brought was hand warmers.
For us in the north, a simple tip for keeping the hands warms. Go to Walmart and buy the little hot hands packets. I wear mechanix gloves and put them in the gloves in such a way they are on the top side of my hands. They last for hours and keep you hands toasty and don't affect your dexterity. Depending on how tight of a fit you have with your gloves you may need to bump up a size. The packets arent that thick but it maybe something you need to do.
I also keep a Tac Muff in my kit that I can attach to my belt when it gets cold. My hands have been frost bit before and the ability to slip my hands inside occasionally make a world of difference. I also throw a couple of Hot Hands inside the Muff to keep it toasty.
Tip on gloves throw a pair of latex or nitrile gloves on underneath. Adds a good amount of warmth to thin gloves.
This video is gold, couple of Floridians experience cold for the very first time and are thrown so far out of their element they make a video like hey guys did you know that cold weather sucks and you have to prepare yourself and your kit for it 🤣😂
Live in UT and spent a few nights out training at or around 0 within the last month. Which is pretty cold. But I can agree that below 32 with a really high humidity level is just not fun at all to be in. Have had many worse nights in below zero with high humidity than nights around 0.
"Well you cant learn that way and those guys are probably really weak on the inside"
Dufresne telling it like it is.
I live in washington where it has also been cold and wet recently, ive started putting cat crap on every lens surface of my nods. Inside and outside of my tarsiers and both lenses on the device itself. I also ranger band the tarsier to the focus ring which helps keep moisture out. So far so good!
Anytime someone says it's cold, a northerner comes out of the woodworks screeching "this isn't real cold!"
Unfortunately it’s all the guys with more chins than they come onto Earth with doing this in the comments
Amen 🙏
I'm really glad you and Sam did this video. A lot of good things pointed out. Which should help me out later this year at class.
Thin gloves with a latex (or similar exam gloves) gloves under them helps keep your hands warm. Motorcycle trick I learned
this was a helpful and timely video. took greenline night fighter w sam a couple years back. it was cold foggy and miserable. learned a lot that night. retaking it this year and hoping for better weather but preparing for worse. the pushing helmet up trick is both common sense and brilliant and i will absolutely try that when appropriate. thanks fellas
Nitrile gloves worn under your thin gloves will give you more comfort because they trap evaporative body heat, in extreme cold you can do the same with VBL socks or kroger bags on the feet and then socks on top. Cold feet culprit is often boots to tight, people layer up socks which is fine but in boots without wide toe you get reduced circulation therefore I like Altra lone peaks (non gtx b/c gtx doesnt allow foot to breathe and will wet out from sweat even if waterproof) combined with a synthetic injiji toe sock and on top of that a darn tough wool. HEAT gloves are also good, made for Swedish SF, allow for dexterity.
Wool base layer!! I live and train in AK! Also tactical handwarmer is clutch for classes in my experience.
Cotton kills, especially when youre being active.
I am signed up for Great Falls MT NF101 class in September. Planning on flying from AK a couple days early just to zero my rifle. Can’t wait for my un-filmed WP DTNVS to come in this spring. Will be a whole lot of daylight up here by that time.
@@LordPerique 100% people get in trouble up here in AK, even in the summer time, with wrong layers, and gear. Nature gives no fucks!
@@cadeinscho6339 maybe see you there..
it is 108$ + 18$ just for multicam for the cold weather liner. i think i will just use a beanie instead
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE improvise
Beanie and heavy double ply shemagh ur good to go
Low tech solutions for high tech problems are almost always the best! 👍🏻
30 degrees.. LOL I love you guys but 30 degree anti cold not even with “humidity” I loved how you threw that in though as if it’s comparable to 0 degrees 😑 come on down to Kansas where it’s miserably cold and humid, almost always skips spring and goes straight into hot humid absolutely miserable heat.
Funny you mention PA, I literally just spent all Saturday at a night shoot out in the snow up here. 100% had to bundle up and hand warmers were a life saver. First time a plate carrier was a nice warning addition.
Wet-bulb temp (WBT) is no joke!
Pennsylvania checking in. Coming from someone who works outside year round, when it gets up to 30 degrees with 65-75% humidity, I’m ditching layers. Out west, there’s considerably less humidity, but often this time of year, we’re in 10-25 degrees with 60%+ humidity. 30’s would be warm right now lol
I’m just going to keep adding comments as I get deeper into the video. Into gloves, for anyone interested, I have a video up on my channel with a retired Force Recon dude talking about gloves for the cold. If you’re looking for info, that could be a good resource.
I’ve also had really good luck with the SKD insulated PIG gloves for active tasks. Working outside in the winter, they keep my hands warm and dry while active. They’re not too bulky for manipulating rifle controls, but you may struggle slightly with compact frame pistols. It’s definitely easier to shoot my G17’s with them on than it is my G19’s.
I'm up in Ontario and I hear you there, not uncommon to be working outside in -20's C / -4 F or colder and being up on rooftops with the stronger wind as well. Wind chill isn't a joke and humidity can be quite high as well. Layers is key and an outer layer that can break the wind.
@@tripplewhipper absolutely. Add on top of that cycles of rest and activity, it can make it hard to stay warm and dry. A good base layer and good socks are essential
@@ruthlessreviews1283 100 percent
Get a handwarming mit like quarterbacks wear and toss a hand warmer or two in it. Best way I have found to keep hands warm during classes.
I went to a NV shoot with Sam and my light blocked by elevation adjustment on the mawl. Swapped it to the other side after I was "that guy" holding everyone up in the zero check. Great tip 👍
after spending 30+ years doing HVAC work in the NYC area I can honestly say I have BTDT. for instance, when the heat fails at police HQ in Yaphank at 2 am Saturday night, I was the guy who drove there in a blizzard, got on the roof and fixed the machine.
on the roof in the hottest of summers and coldest of winters, i know exactly what you mean.
“ Cold Weather” training in Florida? Cmon fellas that is some funny shit! Come up to the Utah mountains at 9,000 ft plus where I live. Seriously though great stuff as always
You do understand both of us are children of the GWOT and have conducted operations in the Hindu Kush mountains of Afghanistan well into and above that 9000 foot elevation. The humidity is the great equalizer.
@@atacorion hell yeah and you do know i was joking lmao, hahaha! Seriously good stuff bro.
Been on mount ogden multiple times in the middle of winter hiking in shorts and puffy jackets not even cold there cause zero humidity
This was helpful thanks guys
So much awesome info that no one likes to talk about or thinks to bring up
I used to teach skiing.
Peoples ability to learn is drastically reduced when they are uncomfortable(cold/feet hurt/hungry/have to pee).
I’ll probably get some hate but jet boil and hot cocoa really helps
People hating on you for hot coco are probably dead inside.
@@LordPerique people will hate anything that makes you happy
Tim, hot cocoa is amazing. Fuck those haters
@@KineticConsulting Hopefully I can see you in Goldendale in the summer
@@timwilliamanderson if you make it, I'll see you there.
it was -17 in NH when i woke up the other day. 30 degrees feels like the spring!
About 9 minutes in, so forgive me if you touch on this, but those shake hand warmers, they make a “toasty toe” version that adheres to socks. I’ve been doing some morning hunts and I despise wearing muck boots so I wear my Solomon’s. With one pair of synthetic socks. And either a toasty toe on top or bottom. Sometimes both. And Morino Wool sock over the top holding it in place because the adhesive sucks. But while walking. That stuff gets hot. And stays hot for about 6 hours. So maybe would only need them on top of the toes. Because by standing on them. They can really get hot standing on them directly and teaching. So on top with some tight Solomon’s they rock. My feet sweat regardless. So this was a great fix to cold issue.
Living in the PNW and coming from my last duty station in VA, a molly on or some sort of hand warming sleeve is a must. If it’s good enough for a 1million dollar ball thrower it’s good enough for my hands.
Hmm sounds like USCM SF
Nitrile gloves behind tac gloves your hands might sweat more and you’ll need to drink more water and make sure you don’t cramp up but it gives you a short term advantage
30 degrees is quiet pleasant for winter shooting. I live in northern Indiana. Just need some good layers and gloves.
I use a monocular with a wilcox bridge so I can flip mine to the side out if way
I need to get one of those cold weather liners. Keeping warm is much easier when you are moving around, but when you are on a several hour sit in the winter, time seems to stop moving with how cold you get.
Team Wendy has a balaclava that fits nicely under most helmets (the over head portion is much thinner than the rest). I find it much easier to use compared to the Unity liner because it doesn’t attach to the helmet and doesn’t go under the helmet pads.
Went out night hunting with my DTNVS 2 weeks ago when it was 12 degrees out. Hit a patch of ice in my RZR and flipped 5 or 6 times. DTNVS went flying around the cab on my helmet and hit me in the face. Somehow my DTNVS is unscathed. Good shit from TNVC.
We’d like to see pics and a write up about that, at TNVC
@@atacorion Sam, where do you want me to send them?
Did you experience a severe drop in battery life? Also, taking freezing weapons indoors and letting them warm up quickly is a recipe for disaster as they will sweat immediately. Better to keep them in a bag and let them warm up gradually and then air them out. But what do I know… I’m just a crazy guy running around the mountains of Montana in subzero temperatures.
Some powders are temp sensitive, and your velocity will drop noticeably as a result. Probably explains what was happening to you guys.
Regarding gloves and tactile function. Kind of hit me that if you could insulate the top part of the glove, but leave a little "tactile" function on the palm of the glove, seems like you could have the best of both worlds. If you're gripping a weapon, you aren't really battling wind and weather. Do you guys know of anything like that? Just keep the tops of your hands warm in cold weather?
Can you post a link to those gloves, please?
Layers. For the bottoms they have these thin silk layers that go under your pants. Socks..I find that wearing 2 pairs of thin socks that are part wool with wicking work much better than 1 pair of heavy wool socks. I cant however figure out the glove thing. I really need some ideas
Did you guys get to reassess/measure zero shift upon returning to your baseline weather conditions? That would potentially validate wx/temp as the cause. RLTW!
30s? I’m ditching layers once it hits that as long as it’s not too windy
Under armor base layer is the shit by the way. Stuff is expensive but man it keeps you warm with thin layers. Also if you don’t have the cold weather liner use one of those Muslim scarf things, they are huge but also thin and you can wear a corner of it under your helmet and then flip it over your helmet, covers your neck and the sides of your face and doesn’t mess you your night vision or get in the way. There is truth to the cold weather liner, normally beanies are to thick to wear under a helmet and you will squeeze your head. My lens only fog if I have something covering my face, I do apply the anti fog cat shit stuff and it works to a degree
Jon, what’s on the right side of your helmet? Camera?
One is my LOLA and x300V the other is a mohoc camera
Fogging...if you've done ANY airsoft training, full seal goggles fog up. If you can get a little airflow in the seal, it's an amazing transformation!
If deal is the kind of lube you use
See babe! 3” is a lot! 3” matters! Professionals appreciate the difference 3” can make!
30°? I’m used to being in environments where my “night vision considerations” are carrying 5 sets of batteries because they literally stop working after less than an hour. Maybe change cold to cool in the title.?
Lol yup you're right we're gonna laugh at cold weather training considerations from Florida, 30* isn't much
Literally just said how fucking stupid it is to say it’s not cold with super high humidity and you proved their point lmaoo. Where you from
No shit coming from Alaska I live in Anchorage currently -17 with 70%humidity, and my friends in Fairbanks are -38 with 73% humidity.
Either way a lot of good info and great video.
Great video. But come on guys 30-39 degrees is absolutely awesome weather to train in. I was stationed in northern Alaska and northern Maine and can tell you I wish I had the weather you guys had when we went shooting/training back in the day. Our average temps in the day was under 10 degrees and as cold as -40. We learn how to adapt early in our military career. They drop us off on an island in Alaska and you have to survive for a week. That’s how you learn.
And none of us said we are tough guys it’s just some of us have adapted to colder environments. That’s life. Don’t shit on us because our cold threshold is higher than yours. You have adapt or you die out there. It’s as simple as that. 👍
I would suggest/recommend you both get out to Alaska and train with Alaska State Police or Maine State Police. You will come to appreciate what real cold is and not complain about warm summer 30 degree weather. It was 27 tonight here and we were just fine shooting. It gets cold but you adapt. That’s what we do in the military right? That’s what I did for 20+ years in service. 🍺
Reality is for everyone if it’s colder than 11 F then you have to protect your face and other extremities.. If it’s warmer you can hike, hunt whatever and be just fine, regardless of humidity. Now that I beat that to death, great video otherwise.
John you look sick. You look like shit. I thought you were Force Recon? Cold shooting should be a walk in the park for you if that’s the case. 🤷
Not if you're a native and are used to 50-60 degree "winters". Humidity. He touched on it, I've experienced negative degree temps, likewise I've experienced triple digit temps in deserts and humidity is the key factor. In both extremes I was far more comfortable. 126 with no humidity felt great, didn't sweat at all. 90 with 60% humidity and I felt like I was dying. Just something to consider
Boat shoes and shorts. Shrug