Mr. Heiser has brought my biblical understanding to brand new heights. I’m still very sad that I’ve learned about his work after his passing. Thank you Michael Heiser for your work. The generations coming will appreciate you for all of this. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
No, actually he has brought biblical speculation and foolishness to brand new heights. Paul was not talking about a woman's hair as if it was viewed as "testicles." Pure, speculative nonsense.
@@CRoadwarrior Sir, if he has gone through the scholarly process of understanding the Hebrew, Greek, and other literary texts of biblical passages, you have to disprove what he’s saying. And that isn’t saying it’s pure speculation. The Lord of hosts has the answers. Why don’t you try to get it from the One who wrote the Bible maybe? Just a thought 🤷🏾♂️
@ItsDJNoName you are correct! I can not understand why those with 'denominationalitis' cannot think for themselves, but prefer to be an accuser of the brethren and help Satan in his work. At the extreme, they are SDA's, JW's, Mormons- even Muslims or some other cult. The only thing that matters is the Gospel and one's relationship to God.
I too found Michael after his passing. I simply cannot believe how I missed him all these years. But God, knows when I am ready for a deeper understanding,so praise Him 🙏🏻
I have been to many Churches within the Southern Baptist/Christian denominations and have never heard a Pastor or teacher, teach this! It opens up the Word of God into a better understanding! So exciting! Praise Holy Spirit for filling Michael with His light! Thanks to Michael’s family for allowing his teachings out to the world of believers! May God continue his blessings upon y’all! In Jesus name, Amen 🙏🏻
I’m so thankful that Dr. Heiser has put as much as he has out there for us to learn from as many of the pastors that I have asked many questions of give evasive answers and one even said that I “read too much”. Well, I read because these pastors won’t examine the evidence!
His legacy lives on. I am a teacher and hoping to bring this understanding to my church. In dialogue with pastor and elders. Please pray. And look for open doors yourself.
He had a PhD, doesn't mean he is 100% correct. He has many flaws in his interpretations. One of them is he believes the angels co created with God rather than the Trinity . Let US make man in OUR image. He believed and taught that the angels helped God create everything Michael was a good teacher, but his interpretations were off. I listen to the Holy Spirit. Because humans make mistakes.
@Just4kiks . He is referring to Gen 1. Dr Heiser discusses this in the Unseen realm book. While the declaration to create man has plurality 'let us" the actual creative act is performed in the singular. If it's the trinity referenced why revert to the singular? Heiser argues that the Babel story also shows God & His divine council as God says "let us go down & see" Gen 11:5-7. The text implies God is talking to other heavenly beings - the ones He created to form the divine council.
To be clear, Dr. Heiser has never claimed other spiritual beings actually created the physical universe, they were just present when God did the creating.
Wow I am l learning s much I am surprised after 34 years of being a born again Christian that I have wrong teaching and-no so little so little thank god I was directed to his teachings I am so hungry for the truth and correct teachings of gods word I asked god to teach me , you cannot get this from a church meeting their are many preachers but so few teachers
Have had numerous cherished contributors to my biblical and theological growth over the years, Dr Heiser is at the top of that list with a few others. Cherish his body of work and presentation of it. Plus, it’s cool he’s both a Badger and Packer fan. Miss him.
Well said, Dr. Heiser has mentioned many times the very same point about the human author aspect of scripture. Here is his quote: "The Bible is a Divine Human Book", meaning the origin is Divine (God Breathed) to His children (who wrote both Testaments).
Learn to not trust man and his opinions. Rely on God and trust Him only. If you ask God for wisdom, He will give you more wisdom than a PhD can give you.
Dr. Heiser was my instructor for two Hebrew grammar courses. He provided the audio lectures for my Hebrew exegesis course (it made me smile hearing his voice since he died last February and my course was ongoing, as if he was teaching from the grave). I was able to engage face-to-face since I live in Jacksonville. I continue to use his scholarship in my doctoral coursework. He has an ongoing influence that I suspect will grow since "lay people" resonate with his approach, both in scholarly rigor and in explanatory value.
@@krismikewill what do you think about his angelic co creation idea? In his book, the unseen realm, he states that the angels co created with God rather than the Trinity in genesis. Let US make man in Our image. He believed the angels were part of that us and our in genesis. And then this Q. and A. about Gilgamesh. When the languages got split into 70 different languages. What was nimrods other 69 names? I wish he still alive so I could ask him a thousand questions on what he teaches and his opinions he pushes on everyone and is not around to debate his PhD findings. Anyhow, I listen to the Holy Spirit. Men make mistakes.
@@tiedyehobo Dr. Heiser doesn't say co-created with Yahweh. They were present with Him, but did zero creating. Remember Dr. Heiser's pizza buying analogy. The Hebrew Bible is silent regarding Nimrod's "69 other names" , however, an excellent resource regarding the names of Deity's & Demons, is The Dictionary of Deity's and Demons. This work has been referenced by Dr. Heiser on many occasions, you might find this useful to attempt to answer your inquiry.
Love this. I have read the books. I say books because “unseen Realm “ and “reversing Hermon”. But love the lecture setting with the late Dr Heiser. Thanks for posting.
What do you think of his view that the angels co created with God rather than the Trinity.? In the unseen realm he explains his views. A PhD doesn't give you the right to say anything you want and believe it's true.. I'm not speaking I'll of him. But I don't believe everything he teaches. I listen to Jesus and guided by the Holy Spirit. And the Gilgamesh thing. When the languages got split into 70 different languages. What was the names of nimrod after that day?
@@tiedyehoboThe Trinity was made up by the council of men 300 years after Jesus died. There is however God The Father (Most High God), Jesus Christ who is His Son (Jehovah of the Old Testament who spoke for God) and The Holy Ghost. They are one in purpose completely United in their plan for mankind, but they are not one person. The trinity explanation of them being an essence or whatever, is man’s created nonsense from the Council at Nicea.
@@binmyrtmindplease don't bring your misconceptions to try to provide how intelligent you think you are. It doesn't work in an academic discussion and acts as an accuser of the brethren, which is actually Satan's job. I pray God will show you Truth and bless you many times today!
Try circa 1600 or prior "olde" English lolo even us native speakers can't figure it lolo. English is quite an interesting language w a very varied history and provenance. Anyway! Bless you! (Chicago)
Dr. Heiser also recommended reading Dr. Nickelsburg translation, I have both Dr.'s Charles & Nickelsburg translations. I prefer Nickelsburg translation over Charles, both are excellent, would also highly encourage you to obtain Dr. Heiser's 2 Volume readers commentary on Enoch. Both are inexpensive and completely useful.
Thanks for posting this. I find some of the vehement comments in strange juxtaposition. Michael makes it pretty clear the ideas presented are "not his own" but a compilation of ideas presented since antiquity. Listening to this lecture, the listener needs to approach this like a court case: The prosecution will have one interpretation and the defense will have another interpretation from the same source documents. The jury is going to have to make a decision on which of these two interpretations is true. That is a fair struggle that all of us have to do in every aspect of life - including what we believe about some theological position. IT'S UP TO US, don't get lazy, get busy, START LOOKING IN SCRIPTURE to see what is the case YOU HAVE for what you believe about any theological position. YOU NEED TO OWN THAT. It's our responsibility to seek, sift and then decide.
I found a copy of Anne Draffkorn Kilmer's work "The Mesopotamian Counterparts of the Biblical Nepilim" (or at least a part of it) on Google Books in the book called PERSPECTIVES ON LANGUAGE AND TEXT - Essays and Poems in Honor of Francis I Andersen's 60th Birthday 7/28/1985.
I don't know if he ever mentions that Enoch was written by dozens of different authors, most of them anonymous, the latest addition being written by a Rabbi in the 5th Century. Why would I trust anything it says as being inspired, or should I ask, inspired by whom?
Dr. Heiser has said on many occasions that Enoch (among other books quoted) that are non-canonical doesn't lend credence to think a book outside the Bible (Old & New Testament) is inspired. He also gives a brief history of Enoch, including the fragments found prior to the 5th Century. Your question is well received!!
I dont think Enoch was originally written down at all. It came from oral traditions from Adams sons. All the written down writings came much after. Same goes for alot of the prophets.
I had a dream in 1997 that their was a volcano eruption of the most beautiful island, but yet what came out of the volcano was not volcanic ash but beautiful white pure honed stones. Pebbles I took this to be that this was the beginning of The Christians starting to go back to the beginning again of what they meant to be and teachings to a new beginning of truth and correct teaching the island filled up every pebble were the children of god , I didn’t understand when it happened but now I do we have Been Blessed with new information
I've known three Lutheran priests/pastors who have encountered demon activity in Africa. Two reported that demons couldn't handle the Sacrament of the Altar (Eucharist, Lord's supper). They used this to declare how demons have to flee from Jesus, and in both cases entire villages turned Christian.
Did Paul have the ‘free will’ to leave the Christian faith? He could say , ‘No, I will not follow,’? He in fact had said that as he held the murderers’ garments as they stoned Stephen. Then Jesus said, ‘I will show you what you will suffer for me’, and then did. Our freedom is a game we play with God. We are children playing with matches in a gunpowder factory. Our freedom is to wallow in our own self righteousness and rail against God right up to the point where He slaps us to earth with a blinding blow and then after he has our attention strips us of our pretenses of freedom and replaces it with love and instruction.
Sure, Paul does heave free will to leave the faith, but he didn't, he ran the good race. Solomon, left and followed other gods, Apollos left Paul, other unnamed people were recorded as also leaving the faith. Seems evident from Scripture people can and have walked away. Your comment is well received, thanks for your questions.
Dr Heiser seems to believe that our choice is determinative of our salvation. That it is the key to our salvation. Predestination counsels against that conclusion as does Jesus in Matthew 7. The reason it matters is, if we think that way we then believe we can make a choice that can change God’s choice that was made before we were made. We have liberty to choose, God has power to ignore our choice.
Dr. Heiser does not believe salvation is determined by one's own choice. He teaches and believed God motivates the person, additionally he taught we have free will to reject the Gospel or even leaving the Christian faith altogether.
Is a soul an individual. Can it jump through into new babies. The soul lives for ever. Can a person soul come back in a different person. This question has both me.
Great question, the Bible never states a human being's soul enters another person (apart from the Holy Spirit). The Holy Spirit should never be confused with soul. However, when doing a word search regarding soul/spirit, the writers of the (Hebrew) Bible used both terms interchangeably, "context is king", as Dr. Heiser always said.
Hebrews 9:27. It is appointed for man to die once and then judgement. I understand this to mean that the body dies once and then the soul/spirit is judged . Reincarnation is definitely not biblical, one body one spirit. Hope this helps.
neither, human beings are rebellious on our own. When God put the peeps under the authority of other spiritual beings (gods) it was do to their own unwillingness to follow and worship God. Those spiritual beings eventually became or already were corrupt, think of it as a fruit is known by its tree.
Also I might add your sole existence is to know the One True God and serve according to His will. Yes He wants us to love Him freely and He gives every reason too! But pride of life and eyes and worldly treasure and pleasure can make us rebel against God. We want to be "God" and that is the essence of sin. But while we were yet sinners Christ died for us !
That's a misleading question, in my opinion. There is no scholarly consensus on the Book of Enoch. However, most scholars agree that the book was composed in the second century BCE and that it was widely read and influential in the early Christian period. This is a topic Dr. Heiser agreed with.
I have a question if only a few were imprisoned of the watchers and 10% were not wouldn’t they be the ones that produce the Giants after the flood ? The fallen angles were at war when Jesus was born and then kicked out of heaven and they carried on doing what the watchers did ?????
I think the most clear passage in the Bible about the Trinity is Genesis 18, all the way through the account if Sodom and Gomorrah it can't be more clear thst there are three men and They are all The Lord.
The problem in my Christian walk was what dream to believe in but I started looking at the script but if you understand dream are wandering. Then I feel evils is around me. I in my mind not out loud. Do you respect the blood of jesus. The dream stopped.
I will never understand why Dr. Michael Heiser had to leave this planet with four children and a wife and so many students! he taught people about God's word scholarship Etc, he laid open obscure biblical truths, the " weird " stuff he felt got overlooked by so.many Pastors, etc.. Mike Heiser is gone but sorely missed.
God took him. For one he taught that angels helped God create everything. He didn't believe in the Trinity creation in genesis, he taught the angels co created with God in his book. The unseen realm. A PhD doesn't give you the right to state your opinions and push it as the truth. God took him. If he had his way, he would still be making money selling his apostasy books . Just saying
@@tiedyehobo Your way far off base, Dr Heiser never taught the angels are co creators with God. Your reading comprehension is way off. He was clear that God alone created Adam and Eve and you missed that point because you lack ability to understand the nuance in the text he quoted.
@@tiedyehobo 2 things are apparent by your comments about Mike. 1)you have never read his books or heard him speak and 2) you have an axe to grind over and over in spite of your lack of understanding. Mike was one of the humblest men I have ever encountered and never claimed to be omniscient. It is wrong of you to criticize him based on your misunderstanding of his work. If you read his work and disagree, that’s fine, but at least understand first before maligning him. Lord bless you.
50:00 Speaking of the Revelation 12 sign, someone out there with more academic access than me please look into comparing the Rev 12 sign to the very SIMILAR sign in September 2017, where interestingly, Jupiter appeared in the midst of the loins of Virgo! Jupiter-anciently known as Tzedek or "righteousness"- Wasn't there a FALSE Lord of Righteousness foil character in the Scriptures? Does that not depict the one we traditionally call the Antichrist? Jupiter, the WANDERING star?
Great question... A prophecy is received by dream, vision or direct contact from God or one of His loyal Spiritual Beings going to the person. That person has the "free will" to either pronounce the prophetic message or not. I should also mention, this is different than seeking a prophecy by human means, like seeking a medium or some other spiritual practice, which is also a "free will" decision. Hope this provides some perspective.
Let me see if I understand your query. God as the creator of time knows the beginning to the end of a thing. While it seems a man’s choices are fluid God has seen it all even before a thought, an act, and the result. Prophecy is a declaration of this as proof that his word is supernatural and can be trusted as true. LMK
Matthew encrypted.....???connected to Daniel 12.4 "..shut up the words, and seal the book...knowledge shall be increased" AND Daniel 12.9 ...words would be "closed and sealed" until the time of the end....maybe meaning "encrypted" until the time of the end. And your topic/lecture is part of many parts of "knowledge" being "increased" as we see the events of our times herald in the return of our Lord.
question- deut 32 8-9 why did God send "sons of God" to the nations ? and then he chose israel as his ? was the sons of GOD suppose to govern the nations ?
As God appointed "The Son's of God", read Genesis 10 and the Table of Nation's. God explains He is going to pick Abraham and continue His plan to have a people, a family if you will. So, God explains to the rebellious peeps relative to Genesis 10 they will now have appointed spiritual beings to govern them. Those same peeps were worshiping other gods (in effect creation), those Spiritual Beings God appointed ended up being rebellious themselves. "On Earth as it is in Heaven" approach might help as we think this through.
Slightly off topic but relevent to the talk on angelic form on earth. How did Lot know the two visitors were angels. And the men that wanted them, were they aware or was it that they were so handsome they were the objects of the unnatural lust of the people.
The text doesn't say how they knew, it was only after speaking with them, they perceived to be divine beings. Once the 2 visitors performed a apparent supernatural demonstration of power, we can conclude they were divine beings. It seems to me, after the supernatural event the 2 visitors weren't bothered again, regardless of the peeps motivation.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Not sure Dr Heiser understands ‘predestination’, ‘ordained’ or perhaps ‘elect’. The scriptures are thick with these terms alway in reference to God’s choice, not man’s. As time passes I am more convinced that the Biblical concept of God choosing those to whom he gives eternal life is repugnant to men because it ultimately makes clear to whom all power and authority belong. We have freedom but not power to overwhelm God’s sovereignty. If God chooses us we will go, if He chooses not us, we are at liberty to storm the gates of heaven but we will not prevail. With what liberty I have I choose God. With all authority God judges my choice.
Heiser says, "The sky is the sky and always will be the sky." But our perspective of the sky over thousands of years changes with the wobble of the Earth and the minute changes in the path of the Earth's orbit, the Moon's orbit, and other factors. We don't know if the sky we see today is anything close to the sky before the Fall of Man. Adam and Eve probably never saw a star as the Earth was probably covered by a sphere of ice that broke up during the Flood of Noah.
That's an interesting take and a little disappointing to me. Ever since I was a young man I always understood the Genesis 1 account of waters being separated with a firmament to mean that what we call "space" is actually a body of water and not a vacuum. There have recently also been numerous videos of rockets that have been sent into earth orbit seemingly looking like they're splashing along a surface of water. There are also peculiar effects of stars that seem to glisten as if they are in water. FYI, the word firmament means a void or a space between. Genesis 1: 6 - 9 6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.
Hi question please answered. When the spire comes out of his son side. You know we about 80 percent water. The bible said water and blood are mixed together. Is it a binding of God to man. This was showed to me. What do you a man of God think. Please
It is amazing how people blindly followed some of the wild things Heiser taught. Especially egregious is how he tried to argue that Paul had in mind this medical and foolish idea of a woman's hair having to do with "testicles." LOL. Pure and utter nonsense. Heiser was speculating beyond belief, and too many people just let him get away with that. Paul was NOT writing a medical text, and he was not speaking medically, so Paul could not have had that word in mind from a medical perspective. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. Heiser should have taken a hermeneutics class in his life.
@CRoadwarrior It wasn't his idea, he quotes from the minority view from scholars who wrote prior to his parsing. Obviously, no-one has to except the minority view, Heiser doesn't claim it's a medical text. However the cultural context regarding women's biological processes, as weird as it was, can still extrapolated from the text.
@@vsartale I am well aware of where he got that stuff. But Paul was not thinking medically according to the context. So importing that medical nonsense into Paul's writing is pure nonsense. That is my point.
@@vsartale No one should be "fine" with misreading the text or distorting it based on importing inaccurate lexical information into the text that the author did not have in mind. That is nonsense and that's not how to properly interpret the Bible. Heiser was wrong to use that information, and wrong to use non-canonical information to interpret the Bible. It is a crying shame that so many have been deceived by Heiser's claims, and that so many blindly accepted them. The fact that you even posted this from Heiser shows you are another blind follower of his. I'm not. I know he's off, off on the alleged "divine council," off on how he totally misreads Psalm 82, off on how he distorted Deuteronomy 32 and 4, and off on how he tried to link Psalm 89 with Psalm 82. But no one could convince him otherwise, and therein lies part of his problem. He thought too much of himself and his ideas, although most of his claims could be easily refuted because he simply did not know how to properly interpret the Bible. Centuries of scholarship was ignored by Heiser, and he came up with flawed and heretical teachings that many evangelicals swallowed whole. I'm glad many are not realizing his errors and are writing books and doing videos exposing the flaws in his theories.
@@CRoadwarriorfor me it isn't a misreading, it has been shown to be theological coherent. Again people don't have to read or think precisely what Dr. Heiser, and others teach regarding this approach to Scripture. I do appreciate your thinking, thoughts and comments, they're well received.
Elect/Predestined Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I don’t think Dr. Heiser understands the words, ‘predestination’, ‘ordained’ or even ‘elect’. The scriptures are thick with these terms, and in each case it is always in reference to God’s choice as to whom he will give or withhold eternal life and never man’s choice to take it, or reject it. It is true that I have liberty. But I do not have authority or power other than what God allows. With what liberty I possess I choose God. The sovereign God, with all authority and power will judge my choice. There can be no other Gods before Him, even the god of human liberty.
Just because he HAD a PhD doesn't mean he is 100% correct. Like he believes in an angelic co creation rather than the Trinity creation. US and OUR in genesis. And the tower of Babel. After the people were split up by 70 different languages . Nimrod's name is now 69 other names . Nimrod is the Hebrew language name. So what are the names in the other languages? Gilgamesh, Osiris, etc. Like I said, just because one has a PhD doesn't mean they are 100% right.
Dr. Heiser does not claim, ever, that angel's co-created with Yahweh. They were present but did zero creating, remember his let's get pizza analogy. Dr. Heiser also never claims that Nimrod now has 69 different names. Other people groups may have had a name for Nimrod in their own native language, but that doesn't equate to your comment "69 other names". A great resource is The Dictionary of Deity's and Demons, a work Dr. Heiser a recommended numerous times. Almost forgot, another useful dictionary he references is The East Face of the Helicon.
Elect/Predestined Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I don’t think Dr. Heiser understands the words, ‘predestination’, ‘ordained’ or even ‘elect’. The scriptures are thick with these terms, and in each case it is always in reference to God’s choice as to whom he will give or withhold eternal life and never man’s choice to take it, or reject it. It is true that I have liberty. But I do not have authority or power other than what God allows. With what liberty I possess I choose God. The sovereign God, with all authority and power will judge my choice. There can be no other Gods before Him, even the god of human liberty.
Nice of you to ignore OT translation of election. OT clearly states that the nation of Israel was chosen by God. How is it that they all happen to turn away from him and God so happens to gives the entire nation into the hands of their enemies including the Ark and the land He gave them 😂 Calvinist Predestination makes no sense
Mr. Heiser has brought my biblical understanding to brand new heights. I’m still very sad that I’ve learned about his work after his passing. Thank you Michael Heiser for your work. The generations coming will appreciate you for all of this. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Agree
Really can’t listen to Fluff preachings anymore after discovering brilliant work of Dr Heiser. Just Diving into his work and it’s Incredible.
No, actually he has brought biblical speculation and foolishness to brand new heights. Paul was not talking about a woman's hair as if it was viewed as "testicles." Pure, speculative nonsense.
@@CRoadwarrior Sir, if he has gone through the scholarly process of understanding the Hebrew, Greek, and other literary texts of biblical passages, you have to disprove what he’s saying. And that isn’t saying it’s pure speculation. The Lord of hosts has the answers. Why don’t you try to get it from the One who wrote the Bible maybe? Just a thought 🤷🏾♂️
@ItsDJNoName you are correct! I can not understand why those with 'denominationalitis' cannot think for themselves, but prefer to be an accuser of the brethren and help Satan in his work. At the extreme, they are SDA's, JW's, Mormons- even Muslims or some other cult. The only thing that matters is the Gospel and one's relationship to God.
I too found Michael after his passing. I simply cannot believe how I missed him all these years. But God, knows when I am ready for a deeper understanding,so praise Him 🙏🏻
I have been to many Churches within the Southern Baptist/Christian denominations and have never heard a Pastor or teacher, teach this! It opens up the Word of God into a better understanding! So exciting! Praise Holy Spirit for filling Michael with His light! Thanks to Michael’s family for allowing his teachings out to the world of believers! May God continue his blessings upon y’all! In Jesus name, Amen 🙏🏻
Very encouraging indeed!! 🙏
It's no coincidence these teachings are here for us
I’m so thankful that Dr. Heiser has put as much as he has out there for us to learn from as many of the pastors that I have asked many questions of give evasive answers and one even said that I “read too much”. Well, I read because these pastors won’t examine the evidence!
Amen!!
His legacy lives on. I am a teacher and hoping to bring this understanding to my church. In dialogue with pastor and elders. Please pray. And look for open doors yourself.
Will do 🙏
He had a PhD, doesn't mean he is 100% correct. He has many flaws in his interpretations. One of them is he believes the angels co created with God rather than the Trinity . Let US make man in OUR image. He believed and taught that the angels helped God create everything Michael was a good teacher, but his interpretations were off.
I listen to the Holy Spirit. Because humans make mistakes.
@@tiedyehobo Can you show me where he says the angels create?
@Just4kiks . He is referring to Gen 1. Dr Heiser discusses this in the Unseen realm book. While the declaration to create man has plurality 'let us" the actual creative act is performed in the singular. If it's the trinity referenced why revert to the singular? Heiser argues that the Babel story also shows God & His divine council as God says "let us go down & see" Gen 11:5-7. The text implies God is talking to other heavenly beings - the ones He created to form the divine council.
To be clear, Dr. Heiser has never claimed other spiritual beings actually created the physical universe, they were just present when God did the creating.
Wow I am l learning s much I am surprised after 34 years of being a born again Christian that I have wrong teaching and-no so little so little thank god I was directed to his teachings I am so hungry for the truth and correct teachings of gods word I asked god to teach me , you cannot get this from a church meeting their are many preachers but so few teachers
Have had numerous cherished contributors to my biblical and theological growth over the years, Dr Heiser is at the top of that list with a few others. Cherish his body of work and presentation of it. Plus, it’s cool he’s both a Badger and Packer fan. Miss him.
Very happy that so many of Dr. Heiser's lectures and content is preserved in video/audio
Mike Heiser’s teaching is awesome for ALL people who care. We should continue to support DRMSH & Dreena
I think we forget the writer are human too. That's a relatable matter today. We all been here a long time
Well said, Dr. Heiser has mentioned many times the very same point about the human author aspect of scripture. Here is his quote: "The Bible is a Divine Human Book", meaning the origin is Divine (God Breathed) to His children (who wrote both Testaments).
Thank you for posting!! I am learning sooo much from Dr. Heiser......! Love 2 ALL!!!!
Learn to not trust man and his opinions. Rely on God and trust Him only. If you ask God for wisdom, He will give you more wisdom than a PhD can give you.
@@tiedyehobo I saw all your other comments to others. Praying you will learn to TRULY hear!
I regret that he's no longer available to ask questions of..... He will live on through his videos
Indeed 🙏
And Numerous books & podcasts - The Naked Bible 🙏❤️
Dr. Heiser was my instructor for two Hebrew grammar courses. He provided the audio lectures for my Hebrew exegesis course (it made me smile hearing his voice since he died last February and my course was ongoing, as if he was teaching from the grave). I was able to engage face-to-face since I live in Jacksonville. I continue to use his scholarship in my doctoral coursework. He has an ongoing influence that I suspect will grow since "lay people" resonate with his approach, both in scholarly rigor and in explanatory value.
@@krismikewill what do you think about his angelic co creation idea? In his book, the unseen realm, he states that the angels co created with God rather than the Trinity in genesis. Let US make man in Our image. He believed the angels were part of that us and our in genesis. And then this Q. and A. about Gilgamesh. When the languages got split into 70 different languages. What was nimrods other 69 names?
I wish he still alive so I could ask him a thousand questions on what he teaches and his opinions he pushes on everyone and is not around to debate his PhD findings. Anyhow, I listen to the Holy Spirit. Men make mistakes.
@@tiedyehobo Dr. Heiser doesn't say co-created with Yahweh. They were present with Him, but did zero creating. Remember Dr. Heiser's pizza buying analogy. The Hebrew Bible is silent regarding Nimrod's "69 other names" , however, an excellent resource regarding the names of Deity's & Demons, is The Dictionary of Deity's and Demons. This work has been referenced by Dr. Heiser on many occasions, you might find this useful to attempt to answer your inquiry.
Dr. Heiser was always refreshing and thought provoking! Thank you for this!
You're very welcome 🙏
What a blessing and wonderful witness for Truth!
Love this. I have read the books. I say books because “unseen Realm “ and “reversing Hermon”. But love the lecture setting with the late Dr Heiser. Thanks for posting.
My pleasure 🙏
What do you think of his view that the angels co created with God rather than the Trinity.? In the unseen realm he explains his views. A PhD doesn't give you the right to say anything you want and believe it's true.. I'm not speaking I'll of him. But I don't believe everything he teaches. I listen to Jesus and guided by the Holy Spirit.
And the Gilgamesh thing. When the languages got split into 70 different languages. What was the names of nimrod after that day?
@@tiedyehoboThe Trinity was made up by the council of men 300 years after Jesus died. There is however God The Father (Most High God), Jesus Christ who is His Son (Jehovah of the Old Testament who spoke for God) and The Holy Ghost. They are one in purpose completely United in their plan for mankind, but they are not one person. The trinity explanation of them being an essence or whatever, is man’s created nonsense from the Council at Nicea.
@@tiedyehobowhat's the Gilgamesh thing?
@@binmyrtmindplease don't bring your misconceptions to try to provide how intelligent you think you are. It doesn't work in an academic discussion and acts as an accuser of the brethren, which is actually Satan's job. I pray God will show you Truth and bless you many times today!
I can not express with words how this changes everything
Micheal Heizer May Not be here in body yet this spirit remains ✨🕊️✨. Liste and become Wiser!
Love him and love everyone who listen✨🕊️✨.
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Blessings to you and yours!!
Thank you so much for sharing this!
You're very welcome
This gave me peace of mind
Praise God for you.
I read Enoch 1. written by R.H. Charles. It took me 3 months because of the ancient difficult English. Slowly I understand now. (Holland)
Try circa 1600 or prior "olde" English lolo even us native speakers can't figure it lolo. English is quite an interesting language w a very varied history and provenance. Anyway! Bless you! (Chicago)
Dr. Heiser also recommended reading Dr. Nickelsburg translation, I have both Dr.'s Charles & Nickelsburg translations. I prefer Nickelsburg translation over Charles, both are excellent, would also highly encourage you to obtain Dr. Heiser's 2 Volume readers commentary on Enoch. Both are inexpensive and completely useful.
@@vsartaleThank you. Just found Heisers Enoch Vol. 1 & 2. Blessings to u
Blessings to you and yours 🙏
Thanks for posting this. I find some of the vehement comments in strange juxtaposition. Michael makes it pretty clear the ideas presented are "not his own" but a compilation of ideas presented since antiquity. Listening to this lecture, the listener needs to approach this like a court case: The prosecution will have one interpretation and the defense will have another interpretation from the same source documents. The jury is going to have to make a decision on which of these two interpretations is true. That is a fair struggle that all of us have to do in every aspect of life - including what we believe about some theological position. IT'S UP TO US, don't get lazy, get busy, START LOOKING IN SCRIPTURE to see what is the case YOU HAVE for what you believe about any theological position. YOU NEED TO OWN THAT. It's our responsibility to seek, sift and then decide.
@@northtrader Well said and excellent advice for all of us, thank you.
Thanks for posting and sharing
You're very welcome 🙏
For future reference, the head covering thing starts at about 1:04:00.
I found a copy of Anne Draffkorn Kilmer's work "The Mesopotamian Counterparts of the Biblical Nepilim" (or at least a part of it) on Google Books in the book called PERSPECTIVES ON LANGUAGE AND TEXT - Essays and Poems in Honor of Francis I Andersen's 60th Birthday 7/28/1985.
The Bible just seems so much more. . . Coherent when you factor some of this in.
I don't know if he ever mentions that Enoch was written by dozens of different authors, most of them anonymous, the latest addition being written by a Rabbi in the 5th Century. Why would I trust anything it says as being inspired, or should I ask, inspired by whom?
Dr. Heiser has said on many occasions that Enoch (among other books quoted) that are non-canonical doesn't lend credence to think a book outside the Bible (Old & New Testament) is inspired. He also gives a brief history of Enoch, including the fragments found prior to the 5th Century. Your question is well received!!
Its irrelevant who wrote them. Most of the prophet did not right their own passage a scribe or someone else wrote them down.
I dont think Enoch was originally written down at all. It came from oral traditions from Adams sons. All the written down writings came much after. Same goes for alot of the prophets.
I don't mind head covering as an act of respect
They listen to God's message very carefully us like all of us.
The Queen is Virgo. He was a Leo Virgo cusp 50:00
Hence the other half of the born of the Virgin
Could Paul be referring to the transgressions at Mt Sinai , the golden calf? That was just before the law
Perhaps in part, sure.
I had a dream in 1997 that their was a volcano eruption of the most beautiful island, but yet what came out of the volcano was not volcanic ash but beautiful white pure honed stones. Pebbles I took this to be that this was the beginning of The Christians starting to go back to the beginning again of what they meant to be and teachings to a new beginning of truth and correct teaching the island filled up every pebble were the children of god , I didn’t understand when it happened but now I do we have Been Blessed with new information
Maranatha Yahusha!
I've known three Lutheran priests/pastors who have encountered demon activity in Africa. Two reported that demons couldn't handle the Sacrament of the Altar (Eucharist, Lord's supper). They used this to declare how demons have to flee from Jesus, and in both cases entire villages turned Christian.
how convenient to apply "demon activity" to substantiate a wholly unbiblical practice of "eucharist" for the forgiveness of sins.
@@inTruthbyGrace When Jesus gathers His disciples and teaches them "So this", you don't think His followers should follow that instruction?
Did Paul have the ‘free will’ to leave the Christian faith?
He could say , ‘No, I will not follow,’?
He in fact had said that as he held the murderers’ garments as they stoned Stephen.
Then Jesus said, ‘I will show you what you will suffer for me’, and then did.
Our freedom is a game we play
with God. We are children playing with matches in a gunpowder factory. Our freedom is to wallow in our own self righteousness and rail against God right up to the point where He slaps us to earth with a blinding blow and then after he has our attention strips us of our pretenses of freedom and replaces it with love and instruction.
Sure, Paul does heave free will to leave the faith, but he didn't, he ran the good race. Solomon, left and followed other gods, Apollos left Paul, other unnamed people were recorded as also leaving the faith. Seems evident from Scripture people can and have walked away. Your comment is well received, thanks for your questions.
If you close your eyes and just listen, it sounds like a chuck missler presentation
Dr Heiser seems to believe that our choice is determinative of our salvation. That it is the key to our salvation. Predestination counsels against that conclusion as does Jesus in Matthew 7. The reason it matters is, if we think that way we then believe we can make a choice that can change God’s choice that was made before we were made. We have liberty to choose, God has power to ignore our choice.
Dr. Heiser does not believe salvation is determined by one's own choice. He teaches and believed God motivates the person, additionally he taught we have free will to reject the Gospel or even leaving the Christian faith altogether.
The stars align on november 3rd after a „blood moon“ but i dont know the year 😢
Is a soul an individual. Can it jump through into new babies. The soul lives for ever. Can a person soul come back in a different person. This question has both me.
Great question, the Bible never states a human being's soul enters another person (apart from the Holy Spirit). The Holy Spirit should never be confused with soul. However, when doing a word search regarding soul/spirit, the writers of the (Hebrew) Bible used both terms interchangeably, "context is king", as Dr. Heiser always said.
Hebrews 9:27. It is appointed for man to die once and then judgement. I understand this to mean that the body dies once and then the soul/spirit is judged . Reincarnation is definitely not biblical, one body one spirit. Hope this helps.
I think this is why the star are part of the life journey
Promethius was a cultural hero.
I know I will eventually get this but my question is? Were we created by these gods to be slaves? Or turned into slaves by these gods?
neither, human beings are rebellious on our own. When God put the peeps under the authority of other spiritual beings (gods) it was do to their own unwillingness to follow and worship God. Those spiritual beings eventually became or already were corrupt, think of it as a fruit is known by its tree.
Also I might add your sole existence is to know the One True God and serve according to His will. Yes He wants us to love Him freely and He gives every reason too! But pride of life and eyes and worldly treasure and pleasure can make us rebel against God. We want to be "God" and that is the essence of sin. But while we were yet sinners Christ died for us !
Well said@@TruthSetsUfree100
If Enoch was not written until about 200AD the how could Genesis reference via Moses prior to it being written?
That's a misleading question, in my opinion. There is no scholarly consensus on the Book of Enoch. However, most scholars agree that the book was composed in the second century BCE and that it was widely read and influential in the early Christian period. This is a topic Dr. Heiser agreed with.
I have a question if only a few were imprisoned of the watchers and 10% were not wouldn’t they be the ones that produce the Giants after the flood ? The fallen angles were at war when Jesus was born and then kicked out of heaven and they carried on doing what the watchers did ?????
I think the most clear passage in the Bible about the Trinity is Genesis 18, all the way through the account if Sodom and Gomorrah it can't be more clear thst there are three men and They are all The Lord.
Great way to parse the Trinity for sure!!
wow.
The problem in my Christian walk was what dream to believe in but I started looking at the script but if you understand dream are wandering. Then I feel evils is around me. I in my mind not out loud. Do you respect the blood of jesus. The dream stopped.
I will never understand why Dr. Michael Heiser had to leave this planet with four children and a wife and so many students! he taught people about God's word scholarship Etc, he laid open obscure biblical truths, the " weird " stuff he felt got overlooked by so.many Pastors, etc.. Mike Heiser is gone but sorely missed.
Indeed, my friend. Thank God for his legacy. We've all learned so much from him.
God took him. For one he taught that angels helped God create everything. He didn't believe in the Trinity creation in genesis, he taught the angels co created with God in his book. The unseen realm. A PhD doesn't give you the right to state your opinions and push it as the truth. God took him. If he had his way, he would still be making money selling his apostasy books . Just saying
@@tiedyehobo Your way far off base, Dr Heiser never taught the angels are co creators with God. Your reading comprehension is way off. He was clear that God alone created Adam and Eve and you missed that point because you lack ability to understand the nuance in the text he quoted.
@@tiedyehobo 2 things are apparent by your comments about Mike. 1)you have never read his books or heard him speak and 2) you have an axe to grind over and over in spite of your lack of understanding.
Mike was one of the humblest men I have ever encountered and never claimed to be omniscient. It is wrong of you to criticize him based on your misunderstanding of his work.
If you read his work and disagree, that’s fine, but at least understand first before maligning him. Lord bless you.
@@tiedyehobo Troll.
So is this why Egyptians celebrate the New Year on September 11?
If they follow Jewish calendar, Sept. 11 back in the day (the possible date for Jesus's birthday), was Tishri 1.
I just received it yesterday.
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Speaking of the Revelation 12 sign, someone out there with more academic access than me please look into comparing the Rev 12 sign to the very SIMILAR sign in September 2017, where interestingly, Jupiter appeared in the midst of the loins of Virgo! Jupiter-anciently known as Tzedek or "righteousness"-
Wasn't there a FALSE Lord of Righteousness foil character in the Scriptures? Does that not depict the one we traditionally call the Antichrist? Jupiter, the WANDERING star?
I just need help understanding how can one prophecy and theres free will also.
Great question... A prophecy is received by dream, vision or direct contact from God or one of His loyal Spiritual Beings going to the person. That person has the "free will" to either pronounce the prophetic message or not. I should also mention, this is different than seeking a prophecy by human means, like seeking a medium or some other spiritual practice, which is also a "free will" decision. Hope this provides some perspective.
Let me see if I understand your query. God as the creator of time knows the beginning to the end of a thing. While it seems a man’s choices are fluid God has seen it all even before a thought, an act, and the result. Prophecy is a declaration of this as proof that his word is supernatural and can be trusted as true. LMK
@@intentionally-blank finally! Lol thank you for clearing that up for me! God bless you, my friend!
@@Cinemoore Thought you might find this of interest. /watch?v=BoDcfYFO-rw
Nice
Soilder help us out quickening the end.
Matthew encrypted.....???connected to Daniel 12.4 "..shut up the words, and seal the book...knowledge shall be increased" AND Daniel 12.9 ...words would be "closed and sealed" until the time of the end....maybe meaning "encrypted" until the time of the end. And your topic/lecture is part of many parts of "knowledge" being "increased" as we see the events of our times herald in the return of our Lord.
question- deut 32 8-9
why did God send "sons of God" to the nations ? and then he chose israel as his ?
was the sons of GOD suppose to govern the nations ?
As God appointed "The Son's of God", read Genesis 10 and the Table of Nation's. God explains He is going to pick Abraham and continue His plan to have a people, a family if you will. So, God explains to the rebellious peeps relative to Genesis 10 they will now have appointed spiritual beings to govern them. Those same peeps were worshiping other gods (in effect creation), those Spiritual Beings God appointed ended up being rebellious themselves. "On Earth as it is in Heaven" approach might help as we think this through.
Most church don't explain it in the way you do.
Slightly off topic but relevent to the talk on angelic form on earth. How did Lot know the two visitors were angels. And the men that wanted them, were they aware or was it that they were so handsome they were the objects of the unnatural lust of the people.
The text doesn't say how they knew, it was only after speaking with them, they perceived to be divine beings. Once the 2 visitors performed a apparent supernatural demonstration of power, we can conclude they were divine beings. It seems to me, after the supernatural event the 2 visitors weren't bothered again, regardless of the peeps motivation.
Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Not sure Dr Heiser understands ‘predestination’, ‘ordained’ or perhaps ‘elect’. The scriptures are thick with these terms alway in reference to God’s choice, not man’s.
As time passes I am more convinced that the Biblical concept of God choosing those to whom he gives eternal life is repugnant to men because it ultimately makes clear to whom all power and authority belong. We have freedom but not power to overwhelm God’s sovereignty. If God chooses us we will go, if He chooses not us, we are at liberty to storm the gates of heaven but we will not prevail. With what liberty I have I choose God. With all authority God judges my choice.
If you've read any of his material you'd know Dr. Heiser does understand predestination, ordained & elect. I'd recommend reading Unseen Realm.
I have I do and he doesn’t.
What was/is considered long hair back then for men? Jesus had long hair if it went to his shoulders.
2:19:50 predestination
Sign and wonder in the beginning and the end.
So is Marduk the Mesopotamian representation of Yahweh?
Heiser says, "The sky is the sky and always will be the sky." But our perspective of the sky over thousands of years changes with the wobble of the Earth and the minute changes in the path of the Earth's orbit, the Moon's orbit, and other factors. We don't know if the sky we see today is anything close to the sky before the Fall of Man.
Adam and Eve probably never saw a star as the Earth was probably covered by a sphere of ice that broke up during the Flood of Noah.
That's an interesting take and a little disappointing to me. Ever since I was a young man I always understood the Genesis 1 account of waters being separated with a firmament to mean that what we call "space" is actually a body of water and not a vacuum. There have recently also been numerous videos of rockets that have been sent into earth orbit seemingly looking like they're splashing along a surface of water. There are also peculiar effects of stars that seem to glisten as if they are in water. FYI, the word firmament means a void or a space between. Genesis 1: 6 - 9
6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.”
7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.
Nora had a drove that come back after finding land.
Hi question please answered. When the spire comes out of his son side. You know we about 80 percent water. The bible said water and blood are mixed together. Is it a binding of God to man. This was showed to me. What do you a man of God think. Please
Can you explain your "binding of God to man"
It is amazing how people blindly followed some of the wild things Heiser taught. Especially egregious is how he tried to argue that Paul had in mind this medical and foolish idea of a woman's hair having to do with "testicles." LOL. Pure and utter nonsense. Heiser was speculating beyond belief, and too many people just let him get away with that. Paul was NOT writing a medical text, and he was not speaking medically, so Paul could not have had that word in mind from a medical perspective.
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. Heiser should have taken a hermeneutics class in his life.
@CRoadwarrior It wasn't his idea, he quotes from the minority view from scholars who wrote prior to his parsing. Obviously, no-one has to except the minority view, Heiser doesn't claim it's a medical text. However the cultural context regarding women's biological processes, as weird as it was, can still extrapolated from the text.
@@vsartale I am well aware of where he got that stuff. But Paul was not thinking medically according to the context. So importing that medical nonsense into Paul's writing is pure nonsense. That is my point.
@@CRoadwarrior Well we aren't going to agree with how we view the text, which is fine. I'm ok, with being in the minority camp.
@@vsartale No one should be "fine" with misreading the text or distorting it based on importing inaccurate lexical information into the text that the author did not have in mind. That is nonsense and that's not how to properly interpret the Bible. Heiser was wrong to use that information, and wrong to use non-canonical information to interpret the Bible. It is a crying shame that so many have been deceived by Heiser's claims, and that so many blindly accepted them.
The fact that you even posted this from Heiser shows you are another blind follower of his. I'm not. I know he's off, off on the alleged "divine council," off on how he totally misreads Psalm 82, off on how he distorted Deuteronomy 32 and 4, and off on how he tried to link Psalm 89 with Psalm 82.
But no one could convince him otherwise, and therein lies part of his problem. He thought too much of himself and his ideas, although most of his claims could be easily refuted because he simply did not know how to properly interpret the Bible. Centuries of scholarship was ignored by Heiser, and he came up with flawed and heretical teachings that many evangelicals swallowed whole.
I'm glad many are not realizing his errors and are writing books and doing videos exposing the flaws in his theories.
@@CRoadwarriorfor me it isn't a misreading, it has been shown to be theological coherent. Again people don't have to read or think precisely what Dr. Heiser, and others teach regarding this approach to Scripture. I do appreciate your thinking, thoughts and comments, they're well received.
I have 1 enoch. Ive read it. My opinion, its God breathed.
It 80 per cent sweat. God inspires human to write.
Elect/Predestined
Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
I don’t think Dr. Heiser understands the words, ‘predestination’, ‘ordained’ or even ‘elect’. The scriptures are thick with these terms, and in each case it is always in reference to God’s choice as to whom he will give or withhold eternal life and never man’s choice to take it, or reject it. It is true that I have liberty. But I do not have authority or power other than what God allows.
With what liberty I possess I choose God. The sovereign God, with all authority and power will judge my choice. There can be no other Gods before Him, even the god of human liberty.
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It use to bother me a lot.
People take about tec today because it what we are surround by. They saw rock and stone
Sin was rap,
not having sex with women but rapping them.
The origin of the Watchers? Read René Girard
What is the main premise of the book? That the Watchers are Fallen Guardian Cherub who fell to Mt. Hermon?
⅔!!! .666? The number of man?
I don't believe in a "the antichrist," but still, the thought of an Apkallu as the beast...... Hmm
The fall oh yeah make sense
Anakim = = Annunaki/Enki = Nagas = Nachash.
Doves is god sign of peace. I think it the dove spirt come back to us in the aim of the holy spirit
I would not like to see angel in thier true form no thanks
Just because he HAD a PhD doesn't mean he is 100% correct. Like he believes in an angelic co creation rather than the Trinity creation. US and OUR in genesis. And the tower of Babel. After the people were split up by 70 different languages . Nimrod's name is now 69 other names . Nimrod is the Hebrew language name. So what are the names in the other languages? Gilgamesh, Osiris, etc.
Like I said, just because one has a PhD doesn't mean they are 100% right.
I don’t think he has ever proclaimed to be 100 % right.
It is our job to decipher information. You know that
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Dr. Heiser does not claim, ever, that angel's co-created with Yahweh. They were present but did zero creating, remember his let's get pizza analogy. Dr. Heiser also never claims that Nimrod now has 69 different names. Other people groups may have had a name for Nimrod in their own native language, but that doesn't equate to your comment "69 other names". A great resource is The Dictionary of Deity's and Demons, a work Dr. Heiser a recommended numerous times. Almost forgot, another useful dictionary he references is The East Face of the Helicon.
"to a gentile" you're so far off
“God is typically involved in the non-spectacular”. Well, that sure would explain God’s involvement with little old me. 🤯🫣😄
Wow
Elect/Predestined
Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
I don’t think Dr. Heiser understands the words, ‘predestination’, ‘ordained’ or even ‘elect’. The scriptures are thick with these terms, and in each case it is always in reference to God’s choice as to whom he will give or withhold eternal life and never man’s choice to take it, or reject it. It is true that I have liberty. But I do not have authority or power other than what God allows.
With what liberty I possess I choose God. The sovereign God, with all authority and power will judge my choice. There can be no other Gods before Him, even the god of human liberty.
Nice of you to ignore OT translation of election.
OT clearly states that the nation of Israel was chosen by God. How is it that they all happen to turn away from him and God so happens to gives the entire nation into the hands of their enemies including the Ark and the land He gave them 😂
Calvinist Predestination makes no sense