Nice image Joe and what an interesting looking target that is, I like it. Feel for Mike having to work with you so if he needs any support let him know I am here for him.
Wow - awesome image with a busted Dec and bad collimation! Kudos to you and Mike on the collaboration and I can't wait to see what you come up with when you get the 2600!
Awesome video Joe and I really appreciate the shoutout! I hope Mike gets his collimation fixed - both of your sets of data look great. The final image came out really well even the faint outer Ha regions! - Cheers Kurt
Great image guys, such a cool looking nebula! It would be Astrophotography without a few issues thrown in! Good to see the 2600mm pro works well then the edge hd 👍 one thing I’ve got to do now is work out how to collimate that scope!
I have my EFW and Antlia LRGB, Ha and OIII filters. All I need is the SII and the 2600 camera and I'll be able to play with the big boys. Despite having normal Astrophotography issues the image still came out very nice. clear skies Joe.
Cool looking target .Came out pretty damn good considering the issues you guys were having. I keep hearing those Antlia filters mentioned and it's taunting me to get some.
Great effort Joe! - I mean it looks like you guys hit a good few hiccups but in the end it didn't stop you! That's a really nice shot still :-D Well done and keep up the hard work man!
Interesting video, Joe. Great final result. I think I missed it, but what was the color alignment? I am assuming HOO. Great amount of O3 data to work with. (I just read Glenn's comment ... He's such a joker ... hahaha)
men !! what a view you have. but how about tornados ? do you have them there too ? whe have now a large storm here in the netherlands,im kinda scared for my dome.
Thanks kajouman! We do not have tornadoes here, but we do get crazy blizzards sometimes with feet of snow and 60mph winds. I hope your dome and gear stay safe!
Hi Joe, love the video! Just bought an EdgeHD 8 so a newbie question: why use the 0.7 focal reducer and then have to crop the final image, rather than using the native 2032 focal length to zoom in without the extra glass?
Thanks Pud! The reason I use a reducer is to make the scope faster. We had about 30 hours collectively on the target. If we were at F10, we would have had to have 60 hours to get the same image. You can think of it as each F# as 1/3 stop of light. Each stop of light is double or half the amount. So with the focal reducer I'm at F7 and natively it's F10 so 3/3 or 1 full stop of light different. I hope that helps and I apologize if you knew this already. I never know how much people know about photography when I first meet them.
@@JoesAstrophoto Thanks Joe! I kinda knew the reducer made the scope faster but didn’t appreciate it made such a significant difference, so thanks for doing the maths for me!👍 Imaging time is at a bit of a premium here in the UK, so I’ll definitely look into getting a reducer as a means of making the most of it, although at the moment I’m just looking forward to all the smaller DSO’s I can capture with the EdgeHD that have previously out of range of my 714mm refractor!
Great image. It's great to collaborate on projects like this. I had never heard of this object before. Unfortunately it's not visible from my latitude.
Hey Joe, interested to hear if you managed to get Pempro working with your iOptron mount? I was looking at buying it for my CEM70EC but the online docs don't say anything about iOptron mounts being compatible
Hi Simon, I haven't had the opportunity to get it recorded yet just because of lack of clear nights and an abundance of early work mornings. I was able to record it once for 5 worm cycles and create the curve, but then when I went to try and record it it didn't work. Then I read where you are not supposed to move the mount between creating the curve and recording it. I've also read where the people who have managed to get it recorded on their mounts used the hand controller, so I have more to do lol
Hey Joe, do you record PEC and play it while guiding? I read on CloudyNights that the CEM firmware does not do well with that. I have a CEM70 and would love to have PEC correction to reduce the amount of correcting PHD2 has to do. Thanks!
Hi Julien, I'm still having issues trying to get it working, but haven't had a lot of clear skies or warm enough nights to keep trying recently. If I do actually get it working then I'll be sure to do a video on it. To answer your question, you are supposed to be able to record a PEC in Commander while guiding, but it only records one worm cycle, so what I've done is record a PEC curve in PemPro (trial version). This allows you to record as many worm cycles as you want (I did 5) and average them together. I just wasn't having any luck recording the PEC curve to the mount afterwards, but I think it was user error on my part and I have to rerun the test and record to the mount on a clear, not below -10c, non working the next morning night. This has been my problem lol
Thanks, Joe. The recording part is not the problem. It’s enabling PEC with autoguiding. Apparently, the CEM mounts do not support that, and guiding becomes completely erratic. There are quite a few reports of that on CloudyNights. Anyway, yeah, whenever you get to it, that would make for a great video. Thanks, man!
Here is one of the many many threads on CloudyNights regarding iOptron and PEC. It’s 4 years old, but the situation has not changed one bit: www.cloudynights.com/topic/627927-ioptron-cem60-pec-and-autoguiding-lets-get-this-figured-out/ Here is the problem. iOptron’s solution to periodic error is a hardware one. The EC model, which has an absolute encoder on the RA axis, will have virtually no periodic error! (you still need to guide for long exposures, but guide pulses on RA will be rather rare) So iOptron wants you to spend an additional $2K to get what PEC is supposed to be able to deliver. That is why they have not invested in fixing their PEC playback algorithm. It’s really sad in my opinion, but it is what it is. Thankfully, PHD2 has PPEC, and it works very well, but it’s not bullet proof. Anyway, this is a long discussion. I just wanted to share a few thoughts with you.
@@jlecomte0719 Thanks Julien, I've read this thread and many like it and I'm not disputing it at all, heck I can't even get the thing written yet hahaha. But I've also read where people have been able to record PEC curves in the iOptron.io group and they get guiding in the .3's. So far with the PPEC algorithm in PHD2 I've been getting as low as .26 on fantastic nights and as high as .6 on bad nights so I can't really complain, but I wouldn't mind at least testing it out just to see for myself what it's like.
I get guiding at 0.3 ‘’ RMS pretty routinely with my CEM70. Out here in California, the seeing is often excellent. And PHD2’s PPEC + multi star guiding + short (1 second) guide exposure are what saved my mount from going to the landfill LOL. Anyway, keep up the good work. Maybe one day, we can do a collab too, I’m not that far from you ;)
It was a pleasure working with you Joe! Loved the end results!
Thanks Mike, it was a great time!
Nice image Joe and what an interesting looking target that is, I like it. Feel for Mike having to work with you so if he needs any support let him know I am here for him.
Hahaha! Thanks Glenn, that's what I like about you, always willing to help 😂
lol
Wow - awesome image with a busted Dec and bad collimation! Kudos to you and Mike on the collaboration and I can't wait to see what you come up with when you get the 2600!
Thanks dali, it actually came in this evening, so I'm pretty excited!
Great video Joe, and the nebula came out beautiful
Thanks so much Roy! It was fun to do as well.
Great Looking image Joe!! I love Planetary nebula!
Thanks so much Avanteesh! I used to avoid them, but lately I’m liking them more and more.
Awesome video Joe and I really appreciate the shoutout! I hope Mike gets his collimation fixed - both of your sets of data look great. The final image came out really well even the faint outer Ha regions! - Cheers Kurt
Thanks so much Kurt!
Very nice. I love this target but way too small for my equipment
Thanks Nick, it’s really tiny, I really had to crop in too.
Great video Joe, cool target, nice collaboration with Mike. Not one that I’ll get with little 840mm. I Need a bigger scope!! And go mono! 😀
Thanks Simon! First time I imaged this one and it’s pretty far out there.
Cool looking object.. nice job Joe and Mike! :)
Thanks James, it's one I've never done before so that's always fun.
Great image guys, such a cool looking nebula! It would be Astrophotography without a few issues thrown in! Good to see the 2600mm pro works well then the edge hd 👍 one thing I’ve got to do now is work out how to collimate that scope!
Thanks Russell! I don’t think you’ll have any issues collimating, it should be easier than your newt
Great video and image. I'm working on this very same target and going to be releasing a new soon on it.
Thanks so much Joe! Looking forward to seeing the video and image.
Great collaboration. Lovely final image, that’s not an easy target.
Thanks so much, really appreciate it! Congrats on getting your Rosette in Sky at Night as well!
I have my EFW and Antlia LRGB, Ha and OIII filters. All I need is the SII and the 2600 camera and I'll be able to play with the big boys. Despite having normal Astrophotography issues the image still came out very nice. clear skies Joe.
Thanks Jason! You’ve been rocking you OSC so really looking forward to seeing what you do with mono.
Cool looking target .Came out pretty damn good considering the issues you guys were having. I keep hearing those Antlia filters mentioned and it's taunting me to get some.
Thanks Logan! I’m really hoping they are good at half the price of Chroma they can really help save money.
I absolutely love my Antlia filters
Great effort Joe! - I mean it looks like you guys hit a good few hiccups but in the end it didn't stop you! That's a really nice shot still :-D Well done and keep up the hard work man!
Thanks so much Luke! It turned out pretty good in the end.
Interesting video, Joe. Great final result. I think I missed it, but what was the color alignment? I am assuming HOO. Great amount of O3 data to work with. (I just read Glenn's comment ... He's such a joker ... hahaha)
Thanks Pat! Yes it was HOO. It’d be interesting to see the detail you’d get if you tried this with your Edge11
men !! what a view you have.
but how about tornados ? do you have them there too ?
whe have now a large storm here in the netherlands,im kinda scared for my dome.
Thanks kajouman! We do not have tornadoes here, but we do get crazy blizzards sometimes with feet of snow and 60mph winds. I hope your dome and gear stay safe!
We get tornadoes here in Virginia.
Hi Joe, love the video! Just bought an EdgeHD 8 so a newbie question: why use the 0.7 focal reducer and then have to crop the final image, rather than using the native 2032 focal length to zoom in without the extra glass?
Thanks Pud! The reason I use a reducer is to make the scope faster. We had about 30 hours collectively on the target. If we were at F10, we would have had to have 60 hours to get the same image. You can think of it as each F# as 1/3 stop of light. Each stop of light is double or half the amount. So with the focal reducer I'm at F7 and natively it's F10 so 3/3 or 1 full stop of light different. I hope that helps and I apologize if you knew this already. I never know how much people know about photography when I first meet them.
@@JoesAstrophoto Thanks Joe! I kinda knew the reducer made the scope faster but didn’t appreciate it made such a significant difference, so thanks for doing the maths for me!👍
Imaging time is at a bit of a premium here in the UK, so I’ll definitely look into getting a reducer as a means of making the most of it, although at the moment I’m just looking forward to all the smaller DSO’s I can capture with the EdgeHD that have previously out of range of my 714mm refractor!
Great image. It's great to collaborate on projects like this. I had never heard of this object before. Unfortunately it's not visible from my latitude.
Thanks WA! It’s not done very much. I’m assuming because of the reach needed to capture it.
Hey Joe, interested to hear if you managed to get Pempro working with your iOptron mount? I was looking at buying it for my CEM70EC but the online docs don't say anything about iOptron mounts being compatible
Hi Simon, I haven't had the opportunity to get it recorded yet just because of lack of clear nights and an abundance of early work mornings. I was able to record it once for 5 worm cycles and create the curve, but then when I went to try and record it it didn't work. Then I read where you are not supposed to move the mount between creating the curve and recording it. I've also read where the people who have managed to get it recorded on their mounts used the hand controller, so I have more to do lol
@@JoesAstrophoto Thats good to know it actually works with iOptron then as the online docs arn't clear. Great video as usual Joe - keep them coming!
Hey Joe, do you record PEC and play it while guiding? I read on CloudyNights that the CEM firmware does not do well with that. I have a CEM70 and would love to have PEC correction to reduce the amount of correcting PHD2 has to do. Thanks!
Hi Julien, I'm still having issues trying to get it working, but haven't had a lot of clear skies or warm enough nights to keep trying recently. If I do actually get it working then I'll be sure to do a video on it. To answer your question, you are supposed to be able to record a PEC in Commander while guiding, but it only records one worm cycle, so what I've done is record a PEC curve in PemPro (trial version). This allows you to record as many worm cycles as you want (I did 5) and average them together. I just wasn't having any luck recording the PEC curve to the mount afterwards, but I think it was user error on my part and I have to rerun the test and record to the mount on a clear, not below -10c, non working the next morning night. This has been my problem lol
Thanks, Joe. The recording part is not the problem. It’s enabling PEC with autoguiding. Apparently, the CEM mounts do not support that, and guiding becomes completely erratic. There are quite a few reports of that on CloudyNights. Anyway, yeah, whenever you get to it, that would make for a great video. Thanks, man!
Here is one of the many many threads on CloudyNights regarding iOptron and PEC. It’s 4 years old, but the situation has not changed one bit: www.cloudynights.com/topic/627927-ioptron-cem60-pec-and-autoguiding-lets-get-this-figured-out/
Here is the problem. iOptron’s solution to periodic error is a hardware one. The EC model, which has an absolute encoder on the RA axis, will have virtually no periodic error! (you still need to guide for long exposures, but guide pulses on RA will be rather rare) So iOptron wants you to spend an additional $2K to get what PEC is supposed to be able to deliver. That is why they have not invested in fixing their PEC playback algorithm. It’s really sad in my opinion, but it is what it is.
Thankfully, PHD2 has PPEC, and it works very well, but it’s not bullet proof. Anyway, this is a long discussion. I just wanted to share a few thoughts with you.
@@jlecomte0719 Thanks Julien, I've read this thread and many like it and I'm not disputing it at all, heck I can't even get the thing written yet hahaha. But I've also read where people have been able to record PEC curves in the iOptron.io group and they get guiding in the .3's. So far with the PPEC algorithm in PHD2 I've been getting as low as .26 on fantastic nights and as high as .6 on bad nights so I can't really complain, but I wouldn't mind at least testing it out just to see for myself what it's like.
I get guiding at 0.3 ‘’ RMS pretty routinely with my CEM70. Out here in California, the seeing is often excellent. And PHD2’s PPEC + multi star guiding + short (1 second) guide exposure are what saved my mount from going to the landfill LOL. Anyway, keep up the good work. Maybe one day, we can do a collab too, I’m not that far from you ;)