Great video. Sometimes when you wait for a perfect solution, you will waste so much time and risk that a perfect solution may not come. There are so many promises on a solid state battery, but we have yet to see it in real production. We can't wait for that. We need more EV at more affordable price on the current lithium ion batteries.
Yep. We've got to focus on scaling and bringing down the price of EVs with Li-Ion batteries. We can't wait for breakthroughs that Toyota may or may not deliver in 5 years... or 10 years, if it is still in existence by then.
If you have ever done serious engineering, there are two main models of development, iterative and waterfall. Waterfall is really just reserved for a one off wonder like the JWST, which they fooled around with for decades, went way crazy over-budget, and at any point in time you may hear the news break that the instrument broke or got hit by a large space rock and they can't make it work again and so is space junk floating out there somewhere. The constraint to iterative was when they started JWST development, rocket launches were crazy expensive and so they focused on what they could do with a single rocket launch. The hope is you get some amazing stuff out of that one off wonder, which is why you bother with waterfall development at all. Most everything else is iterative or at least should be. A key point of this is you don't wait around for some distant technology to make your one off wonder because what you actually need to do is build many of these on an continual basis. So instead you look for what are the most key things you can quickly get together for an iteration and you design and make it. As time goes on, you revise and improve (iterate) your designs and technologies used. It is just with iterative development you have discrete phases of development and in general structure it to be effective. The key thing for a company's success with iterative development is you have an effective strategy to make a product and improve it over time to stay competitive or even leave the competition in the dust. If you have no product, then you have no income. If your development and production is disorganized, then you inefficiently make a crap product and lose money and in the auto-industry in particular get sued and lose even more money. Another way to put this is a successful EV is not something years away. The competition has been rolling EVs off of the assembly line for many years now successfully. So this whole spiel of needing some technological breakthrough is a myth. What is needed is the company to have its act together and have something rolling off of the assembly line because all of the technology is there to do it successfully as a for profit business. Then the company gets revenue and experience to tell them what they need to do for the next iteration while providing money to develop that next iteration. Notice this is completely different than what Toyota is saying while they apply this iterative model to their ICE powered cars, which goes to show the hidden agenda.
Question (will there even be a "market" for hybrid vehicles in the future)? OK, that is a valid question. I turn it up a notch (will hybrid vehicles even be "legal" in the future)? Already no ICE cars will be sold in California, and the rest of the world will follow soon. Your (house on fire), bring a fire extinguisher. Not a plan for a better fire extinguisher. This analogy was EXCELLENT. Well done.
Solid-state battery research is putting the cart before the horse (or the car after the battery, I suppose). We should just transition completely to fully-electric tech, and then we can work on competitively optimizing the mechanics of that tech.
First we’d have to figure out a way to power everything via electric. We need to get all charging stations off the fossil fuel grid lol. Have them only charge cars without using energy derived from fossil fuel. Sure might take a day or two to get charged, it might limit where you can go but hey. Go Green 😂
@@charleskavoukjian3441: All of that is true and completely possible. In fact, it is the right way to go. In my region of the U.S., I think that nearly all of energy generation is from renewables and nucleär fission.
Electrolytes are more commonly salts, not acid. Lead Acid batteries are one of the few commonly used battery chemistries that use Acid for the electrolyte. NiCd, NiMh, Li-ion, LFP, and most other rechargeable batteries use bases (alkaline salts) and not acids.
Fusion energy promised as vast, cheap and limitless, has been “just around the corner” for the last 50 years! Solid state batteries sound equally wonderful and when they show up I’ll gladly transition but I certainly wouldn’t delay a decision to purchase an EV today.
Great informative vlog some points to add to the conversation. My comment’s are from the UK… firstly, unless you own a Tesla there is no infrastructure of rapid charger’s so everyone is going down the hybrid route. My friend has a Porsche Tacan with a summer range of 225 mile and winter 180 miles, he won’t take it long trips unless he is guaranteed a charge point like a hotel. My Lexus hybrid delivers 52 mpg when the engine is running, otherwise she is in EV mode which can be forced when in low emission zones, with cost of petrol reducing and cost of electricity increasing it’s cheaper to run a hybrid than an EV. Toyota are in a world market and if the supercharger infrastructure in the UK is poor for non Tesla EV owners consider mainland Europe. Another point is Toyota are slowly iterating the hybrid technology with smaller lighter efficient engines: they believe the engine should be like an oven, cold to the touch with all the heat converted to electricity. This strategy will give Toyota the first self charging EV when petrol is replaced with synthetic petrol currently being developed by formula one. Finally, if you order a model 3 long range Tesla today delivery is March 2023. In the UK the treasury tax the motorist disproportionately to balance the books.
When they, a couple of years ago, came out with the solid state battery they said.... At LEAST 5 years of developing and at least 5 years of manufacturing developing, before the FIRST commercial battery would hit the market.
Good analysis & I basically agree with you. By the time it matters, maybe A.I. will be able to figure out how to make solid state batteries as good as, if not better, than the lithium-ion batteries we have today.
You didn’t address the issues much. What is causing the slow development. Seems mass production is hard but why. I’ve heard a few things but wondered. I think Elon has said it will fail??
I think Quantum Scape should be looked at in the solid state market, I'm thinking 2024-2025 we should start seeing prototypes. Also believe the more affordable vehicles will be using Sodium Ion in the future around the same timelines... here's to hoping...
The biggest problem with the current generation of lithium-ion batteries is that they use lithium, cobalt and nickel. If Elon can remove all these metals and keep the batteries competitive on the market I will trust this full EV future, until then the EV market will not be viable at the scale it needs to be to replace the traditional combustion engine car. Also, hybrids make a lot more sense in poorer countries because they don't have the electrical infrastructure to support the EV market.
Hopefully, Tesla is keeping its options open on solid state batteries, if for no other reason than addressing the safety aspect. Leaving the development of this type of battery will allow patents from other companies, preventing their use in Tesla cars for decades, this could undermine Tesla's progress.
It's great that there are companies investing in solid state batteries, they will likely be the future, and it doesn't detract anything at all from the current year beacuse we have other companies betting on Li-io batteries, putting cars out there. If solid state somehow against all odds proves to be impossible to mass produce efficiently, too bad for Toyota, but you are not Toyota, you can go out right now and buy a Tesla, a VolksWagen, a BYD or any other EV you desire, Toyota investing in solid state won't affect you at all. Imagine if Li-io proves to be unsustainable, we will be very happy someone invested in solid state, and we don't have to start from scratch and wait 15 years right now. Same with Fusion, we will be happy we did those 50 years of research when they start coming online. The lipstick market in the US brings in more money than what is spent on either Fusion or solid state, I think we can afford to keep research going.
Liked the technical part of the video, but when you went into the "pessimistic" political commentary, I thought it got stupid. I chose the video because it sounded forward looking, then you end video with the conclusion that we shouldn't look forward? What about all the problems lithium has, like supply first off. Then, you want a non-hybrid? So that when you can't afford the $26000 to replace the lithium battery, you can't even drive your car? The world has to continue to function, while the technology advances. Pushing it beyond it's present capabilities only harms the cause. Research must continue. I thought you made that clear with Japan having all the patents to the future. Anywho, good video up to that last part that made me almost barf. Lithium batteries are NOT going to be the final solution. Too many problems. THAT'S why I watched this video. Thanks for the NEW ideas, cause we need them. I don't think the breakthru we need has happened yet, but we are close! :)!
Toyota, currently lagging far behind in the development of EVs, seems to have embraced a different strategy: place a large bet on what MIGHT be a transformational battery technology. If they make break-through discoveries and tie it all up in patents and/or copyrights, other EV manufacturers could be forced to license that technology. This could generate revenues to Toyota whether they produce the vehicles or not. Bill Gates did something similar and it worked out pretty well.
They are mainly focused on making patents for batteries that probably won't be effective enough for the consumer when EVs become the norm. With Tesla battery range people are going to demand such range and charge time from all other manufacturers. They are wasting time building these prototype batteries instead of focusing on the actual vehicles they will be releasing. The will far behind until they get the right priorities in order.
Toyota achieved enormous success through incremental improvement in both design and production. That formula is vulnerable to disruptive innovation that leaps ahead. That may be what is happening here. They are convinced that solid state's shortcomings can be corrected through continuous improvement while Tesla and CATL come up with new approaches. This is a different race and it appears that it will be won by the hare rather than the tortoise.
by the time they figure out Solid State battery, it will be just as cheap as the options available in future. It'll be like when Kungfu Panda finally finding the scroll and opening it. 😉
The real advantage is storage per weight unit though, many things stand to gain a great deal from solid state, phones, laptops, EVs, Electric planes (not feasible with Li-io batteries) There are already cells on the market and the very first iteration reaches around 360wh/kg, compared to li-io, which is at 260wh/kg. Solid state can easily be taken all the way to 550+, meaning you get the same power for half the weight.
Interesting with that many Patents and no working product for sale to the masses speaks volumes. Those batteries are not stable under all conditions by a long shot.
I’m a dreamer also and understand that we want it ALL NOW🤪!, but also understand that baby steps are essential to reaching those goals. Lightweight, powerful, compact,CLEAN(no 8yr. old miners getting peanuts for their labor in some 3 world country, and strong safe durable vehicles(chassis/frame)
I wonder what is being used to guide anode and cathode. Graphene? For electric vehicles's owners, I think it is safe if they do not go 'sport' mode acceleration, deceleration all the time, especially in hot humid weather. Take care of yourself guys, you only live once.
I also designed a generator that will charge when your not moving and dramatically increases output if you move in any direction. Still need the harness though. Go from zero to hyper speed almost immediately.
Toyota will figure it out. They have the most patents on solid state tech. No other company besides Tesla can compete with them when it comes to this technology, imo. For now tho, manufacturers should be putting LFP packs in their cars. It’s proven technology, they can go a million miles, and you don’t have the worry about charge limits and cycles. You can charge em up to 100% all the time and every time without worrying about increased degradation. surprised Toyota hasn’t taken on LFP packs
GM and Toyota think if they market some thing and tell the world how great it is they can sell it to everyone , without actually inventing revolutionary product 😂
Most solid-state batteries , like QS's, use a metallic anode (where Li plates directly onto it) often called 'anode-less' since there's no anode material like graphite of silicon. That's the key factor in SS's gain in energy density, not the volume of the electrolyte,
Great video. The end with the climate views was a little off putting. Huge infrastructure doesn't change overnight. Then there is the emissions and strip mining it takes to place a billion new evs on the road. Does that offset the carbon emissions from internal combustion? Then there is the electrical grid needs which haven't been met. California can't even keep the lights on as is. The cleanest most reliable way of powering the grid is nuclear power. I am not a climate guru but burning coal to power cars doesn't seem too environmentally responsible. Solar and wind alone aren't enough or reliable. I am not a shill for the oil companies but they do contribute a service to which none of us would have the quality of life we do so to completely demonize them is kinda ridiculous, especially if you partake in their services.
I will take the bet on hybrids still being here in 2025. Until charging stations are plentiful like gas stations with short charging times, EVs will not be an option for apartment dwellers, house renters or people who like to road trip.
Sir, you’re kind of wrong. As a sales person in the auto industry I can tell you right now that the consumer isn’t educated about electric vehicles here middle America. They’re actually moving into the hybrid market much easier m. I’m selling hybrids like crazy over EV’s. I believe the solid state battery will be a game changer.
I recognise that Toyota is waaay behind in prioritising tangable electric vehicles & are playing a very risky game with Tesla so far ahead. But I do appreciate thier stratigy to roll out solid state. A hybrid vehicle is not a bad way to go. It will give them a platform to asess real world use on a large scale beyond prototype & sort out initial teething issues with the technology before rolling out in mass. I belive there will still be a market for Hybrids as some people do like to have a reliable backup to battery. Best of both worlds if you will. They for sure playing the long game & risking eveything, but someone needs to do the R&D on Solid State & it is clever of Elon to let these companies waste thier resources chasing that down. Once the technology is proven & easier to manufacture Telsa will easily replicate & mass manufacture. No point in wasting R&D buget on a risky technology. But good luck to Toyota. I hope for humanities sake that they do manage to solve it & survive financially.
The hybrid EVs can travel unlimited miles in one day with only a very short stop, if any, for gasoline. And gas stations are everywhere. Charging an ev takes much more time. And charging stations are few and far between. It is definitely premature to say that hybrid EVs are a stop-gap measure on the way to fully electric vehicles.
Pretty much agree. The only commonsensical way forward in revolutionizing transportation is incrementally with Tesla (especially) and others already showing obvious tangible results. When I was young, I was so against incremental solutions because they often were an at the margins of the issue sell-out - especially in politics and bureaucracy. But after 30 years in business, I found the only actual way to advance the business (and life) was incrementally. I got wise to Tesla's incremental strategy early on in Musk's "secret" master plans and it's been clear that it continues. IMO Toyota (like all legacy-auto) is desperately trying to figure how to transition their just-in-time ICE-centric manufacturing business into a more vertically integrated BEV-centric manufacturing - after semi-betting-the-farm on hydrogen.
Good question. Somewhat sweet like grapes and crunchy, like some nuts, maybe. But it is one of the only cereals, along with Shredded Wheat, that doesn't contain sugar or other sweeteners. They have pretty high calories, but these are the only two cereals I eat, because they contain no sweeteners. 😂
I'm pessimistic also. Seeing any vehicle company still upchucking hybrid instead of electric vehicles are going to fall behind and eventually possibly go out of business. We are trying to get away from gasoline cars not make new ones. I personally have always hated hybrids, but understood their existence. Just so you know it was made official that in California at 2035 gasoline cars will be made illegal to sale by manufacturers soooo they have made a dumb decision to make another hybrid. Can't wait for their reaction seeing the country banning gasoline vehicles and these companies can't keep up. I also know that there yet has been efficient ideas of how to environmentally dispose of these dead electric batteries. I am a fan of Hydro vehicles, before you say they don't exist check out the first hydro-super car. Hyperion XP-1.
John B Goodenough is the creator of the solid state battery 🔋 also all those lithium batteries are his as well y’all better put some RESPECT ON HIS NAME
Have a mechanical direct connect to the axle of EVs and solar, to super charge them. No more plugging in. Use V2G tech to transfer extra energy to the power grid. So no over charging of the circuits. Or use the energy for other things, like a force field.
In the same sentence that you discuss how we have EV‘s and battery technology today, you also confirm that Tesla‘s are suffering from a shortage. Evies are for the rich and upper middle class right now. The well-off can’t afford them. The masses, not so much. I’d like to drink that Kool-Aid, but I can’t afford it at champagne prices. I suspect that Toyotas new SSB are suffering supply was because shell wants them to.
the lithium ion battery is a “dodo”, lithium as a resource is expected to become scare around 2025if electric vehicle production ramps up as desired. The estimate is a need for about 2 billion vehicles worldwide. It estimated that each vehicle requires 10kg of lithium, which in turn requires 50-60 kgs of ore to produce. I hope that alternate technologies, like solid state, become available
Toyota doesn’t want to make BEVs, only hybrids and ICE cars. It’s because they have a huge, under depreciated investment in plant & equipment for hybrids & ICE. Their assumption is brand loyalty is high enough that buyers won’t switch. I think they are mostly wrong. They could offer several BEV models now using existing battery tech and switch over to solid state later. But they don’t want to, so holding off for battery tech development is their excuse for no new EVs now.
running down costs doesn't change the fact that batteries still uses lithium and other unsustainable and toxic minerals.running down costs doesn't change the fact that batteries are still very dangerous. running down costs doesn't change the energy density of the battery. running down cost just changes consumer accessibility and not better or safer technologies.
Why does everyone think we need to fully get rid of ICE cars? Public transit rolling out at the scale you want to see electric cars will improve everyone’s lives greater. The cheaper way to travel is usually the most efficient and it was never cars. If you tech bros really care about the environment it’s not about what you drive its just about how people get around in general
20:39 A line-up of 17 -- count 'em seventeen -- battery electric models. This is exactly the kind of thing Moodys likes to see to assess a company's credit-worthiness. Tough luck Tesla with your pathetically non-diverse line-up.
I agree 100% with everything you've mentioned here. After driving for 3 decades Wartburg, Ford, 2 Oldsmobiles, Pontiac, Audi, VW, 2 Toyotas and 2 Volvo cars I can tell you something. By far Volvos were the best. Toyota Camry can't even hold a candle on anything for a Volvo XC70 I am currently driving... Just look at the CEO-s, of the above companies, how insanely dumb all of them are except for Volvo/Geely. They are absolute 100% morons, and I will not support them with even a single dollar ever. I've testdriven ALL Tesla cars and I am waiting to get my Cybertruck. Just as steam engines are outdated so are ICE cars.
Let's assume for the moment that these manufacturers talking about battery + ICE hybrid are actually telling the truth (I know, debatable on that front). If what BEV fans say is true and people really do drive only 30-40 miles a day (if that), then I've always thought that battery + ICE does reduces the blockages to transition: Cost (since battery is the major cost issue), range anxiety, materials/manufacturing slowness, etc. Granted I would have preferred a model where the ICE engine is just to provide power to electric drivetrain, not an actual ICE drivetrain. If the drives are short, then the ICE engine is still almost never used.
Toyota and GM have been bullshltting forever. First it was fuel cells and then hydrogen and now solid state. US and Japanese legacy car manufacturers think they can just flip a switch and start pumping out millions of EVs. Meanwhile they are 13 years (and growing) behind Tesla and Chinese manufacturers. What's next for GM and Toyota, buggy whips, typewriters...?
EV's are getting more affordable and Toyota is turning out junk, really! Toyota quite possibly builds the best car in the world and Tesla prices have only been going up!
Hybrids are the way to go until the charging solution is here ! See California. If you don’t have a home you don’t have a reliable place to charge . To use one of your analogies, my house is on fire I can’t wait for you to charge the fire engine
So pro electric - you can't see the forest for the trees... Increase in Electric demand just means we still need bigger, better electric plants. Batteries don't self charge...THAT would be the "holy grail". Shell is the big evil of the world that you seem to want to eliminate for some reason. I get the environmental impact and potential scarcity - but again, switching to electric is just going to make another BIG BUSINESS entity that will exploit resources and people and deplete resources - just different ones. The generation that wants change is just switching problems, but will eventually face the same types of problems you are seeking to "run: from. It's like people who get divorced and remarried - without really looking inward to the fact that where there are 2 people, there are 2 problems. PERIOD. So they blame the other person for the failure and never really focus on a real solution and split, only to repeat the same over and over. As for true change and immediate impact, RIGHT NOW, we need to STOP importing more plastic and cheaply made stuff from China as it only ends up in our landfills within a year. THAT is something that is doable - TODAY.
The Toyota BVZ4P -- It's not a bummer designer drug... no it's a pathetic attempt at a BEV by ICE-4ever corp that once had a 3.15 stake in Tesla. Good-bye $4B, you were so smart to divest. /NOT
Your demonization of gas is astonishing. I’ve watched all your Channels for about a yr. can we not have some fkn time to transition... Jesus, just destroy every home to get what you want
All of this gas price has shown that yes gas should be moved away but no it cant happen instantly or even right now. Hybrids make a lot of sense right now since a lot of places grid are not able maintain all electric. This plus that current lithium battery require rare material that is as much as unsustainable as gasoline.
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Great video. Sometimes when you wait for a perfect solution, you will waste so much time and risk that a perfect solution may not come. There are so many promises on a solid state battery, but we have yet to see it in real production. We can't wait for that. We need more EV at more affordable price on the current lithium ion batteries.
And *safer* batteries that don’t catch fire so easily.
Editing boo-boo at 14:12.🤣 First I've ever noticed with one of your videos. Keep up the great work!
Yep. We've got to focus on scaling and bringing down the price of EVs with Li-Ion batteries. We can't wait for breakthroughs that Toyota may or may not deliver in 5 years... or 10 years, if it is still in existence by then.
If you have ever done serious engineering, there are two main models of development, iterative and waterfall. Waterfall is really just reserved for a one off wonder like the JWST, which they fooled around with for decades, went way crazy over-budget, and at any point in time you may hear the news break that the instrument broke or got hit by a large space rock and they can't make it work again and so is space junk floating out there somewhere. The constraint to iterative was when they started JWST development, rocket launches were crazy expensive and so they focused on what they could do with a single rocket launch. The hope is you get some amazing stuff out of that one off wonder, which is why you bother with waterfall development at all.
Most everything else is iterative or at least should be. A key point of this is you don't wait around for some distant technology to make your one off wonder because what you actually need to do is build many of these on an continual basis. So instead you look for what are the most key things you can quickly get together for an iteration and you design and make it. As time goes on, you revise and improve (iterate) your designs and technologies used. It is just with iterative development you have discrete phases of development and in general structure it to be effective.
The key thing for a company's success with iterative development is you have an effective strategy to make a product and improve it over time to stay competitive or even leave the competition in the dust. If you have no product, then you have no income. If your development and production is disorganized, then you inefficiently make a crap product and lose money and in the auto-industry in particular get sued and lose even more money.
Another way to put this is a successful EV is not something years away. The competition has been rolling EVs off of the assembly line for many years now successfully. So this whole spiel of needing some technological breakthrough is a myth. What is needed is the company to have its act together and have something rolling off of the assembly line because all of the technology is there to do it successfully as a for profit business. Then the company gets revenue and experience to tell them what they need to do for the next iteration while providing money to develop that next iteration. Notice this is completely different than what Toyota is saying while they apply this iterative model to their ICE powered cars, which goes to show the hidden agenda.
Question (will there even be a "market" for hybrid vehicles in the future)? OK, that is a valid question. I turn it up a notch (will hybrid vehicles even be "legal" in the future)? Already no ICE cars will be sold in California, and the rest of the world will follow soon.
Your (house on fire), bring a fire extinguisher. Not a plan for a better fire extinguisher. This analogy was EXCELLENT. Well done.
Toyota is shooting for battery life that still exceeds 80% before the wheels fall off.
love the last part the fire extinguisher
Toyota might stand a chance if they could build an EV that keeps the wheels attached.
Lmao
It’s amazing something like that can even occur with a company who has been making cars for decades!
*Well-equipped vehicle shown with optional wheels
Solid-state battery research is putting the cart before the horse (or the car after the battery, I suppose). We should just transition completely to fully-electric tech, and then we can work on competitively optimizing the mechanics of that tech.
First we’d have to figure out a way to power everything via electric. We need to get all charging stations off the fossil fuel grid lol. Have them only charge cars without using energy derived from fossil fuel. Sure might take a day or two to get charged, it might limit where you can go but hey. Go Green 😂
@@charleskavoukjian3441: All of that is true and completely possible. In fact, it is the right way to go. In my region of the U.S., I think that nearly all of energy generation is from renewables and nucleär fission.
Electrolytes are more commonly salts, not acid. Lead Acid batteries are one of the few commonly used battery chemistries that use Acid for the electrolyte. NiCd, NiMh, Li-ion, LFP, and most other rechargeable batteries use bases (alkaline salts) and not acids.
Fusion energy promised as vast, cheap and limitless, has been “just around the corner” for the last 50 years! Solid state batteries sound equally wonderful and when they show up I’ll gladly transition but I certainly wouldn’t delay a decision to purchase an EV today.
Good video when will you take about ai day
Great informative vlog some points to add to the conversation. My comment’s are from the UK… firstly, unless you own a Tesla there is no infrastructure of rapid charger’s so everyone is going down the hybrid route. My friend has a Porsche Tacan with a summer range of 225 mile and winter 180 miles, he won’t take it long trips unless he is guaranteed a charge point like a hotel. My Lexus hybrid delivers 52 mpg when the engine is running, otherwise she is in EV mode which can be forced when in low emission zones, with cost of petrol reducing and cost of electricity increasing it’s cheaper to run a hybrid than an EV. Toyota are in a world market and if the supercharger infrastructure in the UK is poor for non Tesla EV owners consider mainland Europe. Another point is Toyota are slowly iterating the hybrid technology with smaller lighter efficient engines: they believe the engine should be like an oven, cold to the touch with all the heat converted to electricity. This strategy will give Toyota the first self charging EV when petrol is replaced with synthetic petrol currently being developed by formula one. Finally, if you order a model 3 long range Tesla today delivery is March 2023. In the UK the treasury tax the motorist disproportionately to balance the books.
FYI, Tesla is in the process of opening all of their European chargers to other vehicles.
Another well informed video, thanks!
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When they, a couple of years ago, came out with the solid state battery they said.... At LEAST 5 years of developing and at least 5 years of manufacturing developing, before the FIRST commercial battery would hit the market.
Good analysis & I basically agree with you. By the time it matters, maybe A.I. will be able to figure out how to make solid state batteries as good as, if not better, than the lithium-ion batteries we have today.
Solid State Lithium Ion Batteries 👍🏻
That dude holding a toaster in a bathtub genuinely scares me LMAO
You didn’t address the issues much. What is causing the slow development. Seems mass production is hard but why. I’ve heard a few things but wondered. I think Elon has said it will fail??
What is it with the Semi-SSB of the Neo ET7?
I think Quantum Scape should be looked at in the solid state market, I'm thinking 2024-2025 we should start seeing prototypes. Also believe the more affordable vehicles will be using Sodium Ion in the future around the same timelines... here's to hoping...
The biggest problem with the current generation of lithium-ion batteries is that they use lithium, cobalt and nickel. If Elon can remove all these metals and keep the batteries competitive on the market I will trust this full EV future, until then the EV market will not be viable at the scale it needs to be to replace the traditional combustion engine car. Also, hybrids make a lot more sense in poorer countries because they don't have the electrical infrastructure to support the EV market.
Hopefully, Tesla is keeping its options open on solid state batteries, if for no other reason than addressing the safety aspect. Leaving the development of this type of battery will allow patents from other companies, preventing their use in Tesla cars for decades, this could undermine Tesla's progress.
It's great that there are companies investing in solid state batteries, they will likely be the future, and it doesn't detract anything at all from the current year beacuse we have other companies betting on Li-io batteries, putting cars out there. If solid state somehow against all odds proves to be impossible to mass produce efficiently, too bad for Toyota, but you are not Toyota, you can go out right now and buy a Tesla, a VolksWagen, a BYD or any other EV you desire, Toyota investing in solid state won't affect you at all.
Imagine if Li-io proves to be unsustainable, we will be very happy someone invested in solid state, and we don't have to start from scratch and wait 15 years right now. Same with Fusion, we will be happy we did those 50 years of research when they start coming online. The lipstick market in the US brings in more money than what is spent on either Fusion or solid state, I think we can afford to keep research going.
Liked the technical part of the video, but when you went into the "pessimistic" political commentary, I thought it got stupid. I chose the video because it sounded forward looking, then you end video with the conclusion that we shouldn't look forward? What about all the problems lithium has, like supply first off. Then, you want a non-hybrid? So that when you can't afford the $26000 to replace the lithium battery, you can't even drive your car? The world has to continue to function, while the technology advances. Pushing it beyond it's present capabilities only harms the cause. Research must continue. I thought you made that clear with Japan having all the patents to the future. Anywho, good video up to that last part that made me almost barf. Lithium batteries are NOT going to be the final solution. Too many problems. THAT'S why I watched this video. Thanks for the NEW ideas, cause we need them. I don't think the breakthru we need has happened yet, but we are close! :)!
Toyota, currently lagging far behind in the development of EVs, seems to have embraced a different strategy: place a large bet on what MIGHT be a transformational battery technology. If they make break-through discoveries and tie it all up in patents and/or copyrights, other EV manufacturers could be forced to license that technology. This could generate revenues to Toyota whether they produce the vehicles or not. Bill Gates did something similar and it worked out pretty well.
They are mainly focused on making patents for batteries that probably won't be effective enough for the consumer when EVs become the norm. With Tesla battery range people are going to demand such range and charge time from all other manufacturers. They are wasting time building these prototype batteries instead of focusing on the actual vehicles they will be releasing. The will far behind until they get the right priorities in order.
Toyota achieved enormous success through incremental improvement in both design and production. That formula is vulnerable to disruptive innovation that leaps ahead. That may be what is happening here. They are convinced that solid state's shortcomings can be corrected through continuous improvement while Tesla and CATL come up with new approaches. This is a different race and it appears that it will be won by the hare rather than the tortoise.
by the time they figure out Solid State battery, it will be just as cheap as the options available in future. It'll be like when Kungfu Panda finally finding the scroll and opening it. 😉
The real advantage is storage per weight unit though, many things stand to gain a great deal from solid state, phones, laptops, EVs, Electric planes (not feasible with Li-io batteries)
There are already cells on the market and the very first iteration reaches around 360wh/kg, compared to li-io, which is at 260wh/kg. Solid state can easily be taken all the way to 550+, meaning you get the same power for half the weight.
Interesting with that many Patents and no working product for sale to the masses speaks volumes.
Those batteries are not stable under all conditions by a long shot.
I agree xxxx
3:25 Who needs to product millions of units when you can just produce one to prove that you own the solid state future?
I’m a dreamer also and understand that we want it ALL NOW🤪!, but also understand that baby steps are essential to reaching those goals. Lightweight, powerful, compact,CLEAN(no 8yr. old miners getting peanuts for their labor in some 3 world country, and strong safe durable vehicles(chassis/frame)
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Due to the Chip Shortage we have gone back to Blu-Ray Batteries for now, until the LMFAO Technology is ready for mass production.
How does a hybrid eliminate all the expensive bits like fluids and brakes?
Regenerative braking
"Patent is for weak" . Elon Musk
What if its a hybrid battery pack?
I wonder what is being used to guide anode and cathode. Graphene?
For electric vehicles's owners, I think it is safe if they do not go 'sport' mode acceleration, deceleration all the time, especially in hot humid weather. Take care of yourself guys, you only live once.
Thanks for the my strange addiction plug. Chad 😂 Hilarious.
What you said!
I also designed a generator that will charge when your not moving and dramatically increases output if you move in any direction. Still need the harness though. Go from zero to hyper speed almost immediately.
The car is there, but at a very high price. That is real, too.
Toyota will figure it out. They have the most patents on solid state tech. No other company besides Tesla can compete with them when it comes to this technology, imo. For now tho, manufacturers should be putting LFP packs in their cars. It’s proven technology, they can go a million miles, and you don’t have the worry about charge limits and cycles. You can charge em up to 100% all the time and every time without worrying about increased degradation. surprised Toyota hasn’t taken on LFP packs
Toyota: Delivering solid state concepts like the LQ so we don't have to deliver any actual BEVs.
GM and Toyota think if they market some thing and tell the world how great it is they can sell it to everyone , without actually inventing revolutionary product 😂
Most solid-state batteries , like QS's, use a metallic anode (where Li plates directly onto it) often called 'anode-less' since there's no anode material like graphite of silicon. That's the key factor in SS's gain in energy density, not the volume of the electrolyte,
Alkaline Batteries - bases make electricity too
Great video. The end with the climate views was a little off putting. Huge infrastructure doesn't change overnight. Then there is the emissions and strip mining it takes to place a billion new evs on the road. Does that offset the carbon emissions from internal combustion? Then there is the electrical grid needs which haven't been met. California can't even keep the lights on as is. The cleanest most reliable way of powering the grid is nuclear power. I am not a climate guru but burning coal to power cars doesn't seem too environmentally responsible. Solar and wind alone aren't enough or reliable. I am not a shill for the oil companies but they do contribute a service to which none of us would have the quality of life we do so to completely demonize them is kinda ridiculous, especially if you partake in their services.
I will take the bet on hybrids still being here in 2025. Until charging stations are plentiful like gas stations with short charging times, EVs will not be an option for apartment dwellers, house renters or people who like to road trip.
Sir, you’re kind of wrong. As a sales person in the auto industry I can tell you right now that the consumer isn’t educated about electric vehicles here middle America. They’re actually moving into the hybrid market much easier m. I’m selling hybrids like crazy over EV’s. I believe the solid state battery will be a game changer.
I recognise that Toyota is waaay behind in prioritising tangable electric vehicles & are playing a very risky game with Tesla so far ahead. But I do appreciate thier stratigy to roll out solid state. A hybrid vehicle is not a bad way to go. It will give them a platform to asess real world use on a large scale beyond prototype & sort out initial teething issues with the technology before rolling out in mass. I belive there will still be a market for Hybrids as some people do like to have a reliable backup to battery. Best of both worlds if you will. They for sure playing the long game & risking eveything, but someone needs to do the R&D on Solid State & it is clever of Elon to let these companies waste thier resources chasing that down. Once the technology is proven & easier to manufacture Telsa will easily replicate & mass manufacture. No point in wasting R&D buget on a risky technology. But good luck to Toyota. I hope for humanities sake that they do manage to solve it & survive financially.
The hybrid EVs can travel unlimited miles in one day with only a very short stop, if any, for gasoline. And gas stations are everywhere. Charging an ev takes much more time. And charging stations are few and far between. It is definitely premature to say that hybrid EVs are a stop-gap measure on the way to fully electric vehicles.
Pretty much agree. The only commonsensical way forward in revolutionizing transportation is incrementally with Tesla (especially) and others already showing obvious tangible results. When I was young, I was so against incremental solutions because they often were an at the margins of the issue sell-out - especially in politics and bureaucracy. But after 30 years in business, I found the only actual way to advance the business (and life) was incrementally. I got wise to Tesla's incremental strategy early on in Musk's "secret" master plans and it's been clear that it continues. IMO Toyota (like all legacy-auto) is desperately trying to figure how to transition their just-in-time ICE-centric manufacturing business into a more vertically integrated BEV-centric manufacturing - after semi-betting-the-farm on hydrogen.
What is the deal with grape nuts? They’re not grapes… they’re not nuts. What’s the deal with them?
Hard like a grape seed
Good question. Somewhat sweet like grapes and crunchy, like some nuts, maybe. But it is one of the only cereals, along with Shredded Wheat, that doesn't contain sugar or other sweeteners. They have pretty high calories, but these are the only two cereals I eat, because they contain no sweeteners. 😂
Yeah and why with all the advancements in George Jetson’s lifestyle did he still have to go into work? Why didn’t he just telecommute?
@@bwbark When staying home with the wife and robot is no longer fun!
I'm pessimistic also. Seeing any vehicle company still upchucking hybrid instead of electric vehicles are going to fall behind and eventually possibly go out of business. We are trying to get away from gasoline cars not make new ones. I personally have always hated hybrids, but understood their existence. Just so you know it was made official that in California at 2035 gasoline cars will be made illegal to sale by manufacturers soooo they have made a dumb decision to make another hybrid. Can't wait for their reaction seeing the country banning gasoline vehicles and these companies can't keep up. I also know that there yet has been efficient ideas of how to environmentally dispose of these dead electric batteries. I am a fan of Hydro vehicles, before you say they don't exist check out the first hydro-super car. Hyperion XP-1.
John B Goodenough is the creator of the solid state battery 🔋 also all those lithium batteries are his as well y’all better put some RESPECT ON HIS NAME
Might wanna republish after today haha… folks be distracted! 🙌
We don't have time to wait for some magic dragon to come alone, with have to use what we can NOW!!!
Have a mechanical direct connect to the axle of EVs and solar, to super charge them. No more plugging in. Use V2G tech to transfer extra energy to the power grid. So no over charging of the circuits. Or use the energy for other things, like a force field.
liquids don't expand. battery expansion is caused by gas accumulation and no vent.
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Toyota talks about making electric cars. Meanwhile Tesla makes electric cars.
In the same sentence that you discuss how we have EV‘s and battery technology today, you also confirm that Tesla‘s are suffering from a shortage.
Evies are for the rich and upper middle class right now. The well-off can’t afford them. The masses, not so much.
I’d like to drink that Kool-Aid, but I can’t afford it at champagne prices.
I suspect that Toyotas new SSB are suffering supply was because shell wants them to.
the lithium ion battery is a “dodo”, lithium as a resource is expected to become scare around 2025if electric vehicle production ramps up as desired. The estimate is a need for about 2 billion vehicles worldwide. It estimated that each vehicle requires 10kg of lithium, which in turn requires 50-60 kgs of ore to produce. I hope that alternate technologies, like solid state, become available
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Hybrids are doomed and so is Toyota. And all of the legacy automotor fossils.
No question, solid state batteries are the future of batteries, they’re in beta testing now and will be in full production by 2025.
It's about safety. EV are pretty much sitting on a high volt battery able to kill by exploding.
Toyota doesn’t want to make BEVs, only hybrids and ICE cars. It’s because they have a huge, under depreciated investment in plant & equipment for hybrids & ICE.
Their assumption is brand loyalty is high enough that buyers won’t switch. I think they are mostly wrong. They could offer several BEV models now using existing battery tech and switch over to solid state later.
But they don’t want to, so holding off for battery tech development is their excuse for no new EVs now.
running down costs doesn't change the fact that batteries still uses lithium and other unsustainable and toxic minerals.running down costs doesn't change the fact that batteries are still very dangerous.
running down costs doesn't change the energy density of the battery. running down cost just changes consumer accessibility and not better or safer technologies.
Why does everyone think we need to fully get rid of ICE cars? Public transit rolling out at the scale you want to see electric cars will improve everyone’s lives greater. The cheaper way to travel is usually the most efficient and it was never cars. If you tech bros really care about the environment it’s not about what you drive its just about how people get around in general
20:39 A line-up of 17 -- count 'em seventeen -- battery electric models. This is exactly the kind of thing Moodys likes to see to assess a company's credit-worthiness. Tough luck Tesla with your pathetically non-diverse line-up.
I agree 100% with everything you've mentioned here.
After driving for 3 decades Wartburg, Ford, 2 Oldsmobiles, Pontiac, Audi, VW, 2 Toyotas and 2 Volvo cars I can tell you something.
By far Volvos were the best. Toyota Camry can't even hold a candle on anything for a Volvo XC70 I am currently driving...
Just look at the CEO-s, of the above companies, how insanely dumb all of them are except for Volvo/Geely. They are absolute 100% morons, and I will not support them with even a single dollar ever.
I've testdriven ALL Tesla cars and I am waiting to get my Cybertruck.
Just as steam engines are outdated so are ICE cars.
I disagree. I think hybrids still win as of today.
Let's assume for the moment that these manufacturers talking about battery + ICE hybrid are actually telling the truth (I know, debatable on that front). If what BEV fans say is true and people really do drive only 30-40 miles a day (if that), then I've always thought that battery + ICE does reduces the blockages to transition: Cost (since battery is the major cost issue), range anxiety, materials/manufacturing slowness, etc. Granted I would have preferred a model where the ICE engine is just to provide power to electric drivetrain, not an actual ICE drivetrain. If the drives are short, then the ICE engine is still almost never used.
LFP are so NOT new...
Toyota and GM have been bullshltting forever. First it was fuel cells and then hydrogen and now solid state. US and Japanese legacy car manufacturers think they can just flip a switch and start pumping out millions of EVs. Meanwhile they are 13 years (and growing) behind Tesla and Chinese manufacturers. What's next for GM and Toyota, buggy whips, typewriters...?
So... it's still much too early.
Stop showing the dude at the end that stares you in the face, arrogantly! It's unpleasant!
EV's are getting more affordable and Toyota is turning out junk, really! Toyota quite possibly builds the best car in the world and Tesla prices have only been going up!
Hybrids are the way to go until the charging solution is here ! See California. If you don’t have a home you don’t have a reliable place to charge . To use one of your analogies, my house is on fire I can’t wait for you to charge the fire engine
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So pro electric - you can't see the forest for the trees... Increase in Electric demand just means we still need bigger, better electric plants. Batteries don't self charge...THAT would be the "holy grail". Shell is the big evil of the world that you seem to want to eliminate for some reason. I get the environmental impact and potential scarcity - but again, switching to electric is just going to make another BIG BUSINESS entity that will exploit resources and people and deplete resources - just different ones.
The generation that wants change is just switching problems, but will eventually face the same types of problems you are seeking to "run: from.
It's like people who get divorced and remarried - without really looking inward to the fact that where there are 2 people, there are 2 problems. PERIOD. So they blame the other person for the failure and never really focus on a real solution and split, only to repeat the same over and over.
As for true change and immediate impact, RIGHT NOW, we need to STOP importing more plastic and cheaply made stuff from China as it only ends up in our landfills within a year. THAT is something that is doable - TODAY.
Solid state is a 2030 play.
The Toyota BVZ4P -- It's not a bummer designer drug... no it's a pathetic attempt at a BEV by ICE-4ever corp that once had a 3.15 stake in Tesla. Good-bye $4B, you were so smart to divest. /NOT
Why do you keep saying Tesla makes its own batteries? My understanding is that Panasonic makes the cells.
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Your demonization of gas is astonishing. I’ve watched all your Channels for about a yr. can we not have some fkn time to transition... Jesus, just destroy every home to get what you want
hahaha yea its a shame natural gas has such a bad stigma
All of this gas price has shown that yes gas should be moved away but no it cant happen instantly or even right now. Hybrids make a lot of sense right now since a lot of places grid are not able maintain all electric. This plus that current lithium battery require rare material that is as much as unsustainable as gasoline.
It’s not the gas co It’s the stupid government mandate I do want to pay more for less. I get that when I pay taxes
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Excellent content. Thanks!