I neither knew about the show nor sought Christian media, it just struck me how Christianity is only included in shows these days in order to mock it - outside of super cringe, explicitly pro-Christian media made for the sole purpose. A high-quality animation that delves in and treats it seriously is exceedingly rare.
@@fantasticbirdblue not biblically accurate. Doesn't show Moses mercin a dude and then running away from Egypt before being called back to lead his people out of captivity. But still a fun movie to watch with the kiddos.
I knew that Christian missionaries incorporated Ragnarok into their presentation of the Gospel but I've never heard that the concept of Ragnarok might have developed because of Christianity. That's a fascinating possibility. I only recently started reading Beowulf for the first time and was surprised to learn that the narrator of the poem is boldly Christian.
On a related note, St Patrick claimed he came from a Christian order (whose color was blue, not green) that was started by a missionary that came to them shortly after Jesus' resurrection and before the Catholic church started.
To my knowledge, after reading excerpts of Beowulf in college, Beowulf himself was a pillar of righteousness. I loved how pure and godly that dude was in the snippets we read, so I'm not surprised that the author of the Beowulf loved Jesus. It's an excellent thing to, haha!
I read a book recently about religion in the Viking age (and a little before and after), and it seems like many Scandinavian Christian writers of the sagas had a lot of respect for their pagan ancestors. They still believed Christianity was superior and wrote in a post-Christianization context, but they included examples of "righteous pagans" in their texts. They still had ancestral reverence that didn't clash with their Christian beliefs. Really cool to learn about!
I think they actually talk about this in the Thor comics. Thor says that Ragnarok has happened more than once in history, and the first time it happened was when Jesus Christ was born.
I myself was super intrigued about the crucifixion scene that I saw in a short clip. Ended up watching the whole show. And you are dead on on all the different aspects about this film. As someone who studied Roman culture in particular, The world that Christ saved humanity from was a never ending horror show. The film in a weird way does show a glimpse of the beauty the church would bring to the world. By no means does this mean that all “Christians” never did wrong or never did anything horrible, but rather on a whole message of Christ has been in net positive for humanity.
The “all religions are bad crowd” are wildly unaware of the unimaginable cruelty throughout the entire world before Christ, and they now suggest that Christianity is evil through a lens of what is entirely Christ-defined morality, that is so ingrained they think it’s just common sense.
@@fornax4676 Good thing they did so we can have knowledge of other religions beyond Christianity. They could have just wiped it from history but instead decided to preserve it so good on them.
@ArchReverend Knowledge of other beliefs is not only valuable for history's sake, but also to demonstrate how radically different Christianity is from other belief systems.
@@gipsymelody1268 👍🏻 Basically, the Church came up against the question centuries ago, “There are other religions out there. Can we draw wisdom from them or other secular works?”. The ultimate answer was “Yes” which is why there’s as much as there is around today. Pretty cool.
So while I am a Christian, I think the algorithm threw this vid into my feed because I watch a LOT of “science” or philosophy of storytelling videos. So your hits are expanding! Appreciated this video, thank you. 🙏
Amen to that! My algorithm is pretty much the same because of the same things I watch. The "science" and atheist arguments sort of thing has been a way for me to study and learn the Word of God and to know Yeshua well. I quite enjoy the study and research, it helps that I've grown up wanting to be an archeologist and go to historical places Jesus has been and where He affected the hearts of many. It's refreshing to see someone like me around, so God bless you
If you adore the God of Israel, you can't even accept the existence of other gods. By the way, one of the 613 commandments is not to even look and admire false gods
I think i'm in the same boat as well. I'm glad to find this channel. I almost didn't click, but the surprise of a Christian related show on netflix surprised me.
@@TheLookingGlass001 it’s funny-I studied archaeology out of a desire to “explore all the places” of both my spiritual, and ethnic roots (which are primarily Scots-Irish). Instead, God led me down a path I didn’t expect-but I’m still using that education, just in ways I didn’t anticipate. Listening to storytellers, philosophers, and non-antagonistic atheists has honed my understanding of what it is to be human in this imperfect reality; unpacking Scripture in its full historical and linguistic context (through venues like The Bible Project, Michael Heiser, NT Wright, and Eitan Bar) has deepened my understanding of what Jesus wants His imagers to BE, fully realized. You’re definitely not alone. 🕊️ Go with God.
The fall of the gods is expressed in scripture. I would recommend reading or listening to Dr. Michael Heiser's The Unseen Realm for more information on this subject.
I was thinking exactly the same thing! He went into great detail in his Naked Bible podcast. I'm still working my way through hundreds of episodes. Fascinating stuff.
I just finished his book Demons: what the Bible actually says about the forces of darkness. First of his material I’ve read, it was fantastic! I think I’ll pick up The unseen realm next.
YES! Love Dr Heiser’s work. If it pops up in the algorithm for you it’s like when harry p got the letter from that weird school. You’ve been selected 😂
Many cultures and moral systems take for granted that their morals come from a Christian foundation. The Lord of Hosts is everywhere, we just need to look for Him...
Todays morals surely come not from christianity, but the fight against it's influence Our legal system is pagan roman, our liberal societies come from agnostics and atheists. You wanna see religious morals, look no further than Afghanistan and Iran
@@jaredgreen2363 You just called morality bs, tells us all we need to know about you, because like it or not, todays morality and sense of morality is the result of Christianity, the result of the one true God instilling morals into us from before we were even born.
There were moral societies well and before Christianity or even Abraham existed. There are moral tribes that are uncontacted that have never heard of Jesus. If all religions were to just vanish off the face of the earth, society would still have its moral foundations in survival and social cohesion. God is not the arbiter or distributer of morality, and considering there is no solid evidence for a God/any Gods, any word/moral law it/they would need to speak would have to first come from man so really where does that morality come from?
Revelation: 19:15-16 Out of his mouth came a sharp sword to strike the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod, and he himself will tread out in the wine press* the wine of the fury and wrath of God the almighty. He has a name written on his cloak and on his thigh, “King of kings and Lord of lords.” Praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ
The Lord Jesus Christ told the fallen principalities (fallen angels) that their time was up. He came to claim back the authority that Adam lost and set the captives free. Hallelujah ✝️ 🙏🏻 Amen.
If you adore the God of Israel, you can't even accept the existence of other gods. By the way, one of the 613 commandments is not to even look and admire false gods. There is one God.
@Bolaway It's not that you can't _acknowledge_ the existence of other gods, its just that those gods are not God (YHWH) and therefore they should not be worshipped. YHWH is THE God above all the gods of the nations, which are only the fallen angels masquerading as gods to the peoples to receive worship and ultimately take the people make in God's image with them into the lake of fire. They are after all, enemies of God (YHWH) and He has sentenced them to the lake of fire for the sin they brought into creation, ultimately leading to the fall of man.
I was offended when someone told me Jesus was in this show about the Norse Gods. As a former pagan, turned Orthodox Christian, it really bothered me... but seeing how they integrated Him, and the concept of Christianity into the mythological/historical framework of my ancestors, I'm wondering if I might check it out after all...... thank you for this
No, it’s usually his view that he’s just too smart for most audiences, instead of just him being bad at conveying complex ideas. He also weaponizes his support to threaten studios for his own ends, so it makes him tough to want to employ
I would argue it's more than just an argument that Ragnarok is influenced by Christianity - rather it is almost a certainty. As you mentioned, the two main sources for Norse mythology that we have were both written by Christians when Norse paganism was dying out. The emphasis on Ragnarok, therefore, is almost certainly influenced by the disappearance of that religion, but also by the heavily apocalyptic themes in early Medieval Christianity. While modern Christians often don't put so much emphasis on it, for a significant chunk of its history Christians believed the world was potentially going to end at any moment, and that was a major component of their faith. Other Norse pagan evidence doesn't put the same emphasis on Ragnarok that equivalent Christian art puts on the Apocalypse, so it is very likely that this is at least in part a product of the Christian authors.
Also, Christianity existed among the Celts long before the Catholic church showed up, so it is entirely possible that Norse mythology was influenced by Christianity some time before those documents were written.
Also early Christians in Europe didn’t mind mixing the two. They felt as though both were a part of their history and openly acknowledged they were accepting a new religion and rejecting another, viewing this positively. There’s a lot of beautiful Irish children stories about God waiting for them to become Christians.
You are one insanely ridiculous man. "Oh look, a scene with Jesus Christ, this show it's super Christian!!!... let's just ignore all the gore, violence, lesbian threesome, explicit sex, and barbarism that came before for the sake of my pseudo-spirituality"
@ no they don’t. Christianity is still the largest religion and no that’s not what I even said. I didn’t bring up the number of believers. However there is actual historical evidence that Jesus was real. There’s absolutely zero evidence Odin ever existed even as a warrior.
I personally believe that the showing of extreme violence and the like are necessary for the telling of any story within the Norse mythos. Norse Mythology is very explicate, as were the lives of the Norse so it's at least being genuine to the source material. On top of this, it helps drive the point home that society or individuals do not need to be vengeful, aggressive and strong to survive. Really, the Norse Mythologies fell because they were overly aggressive, because they enforced aggression from those who followed it with promises of entering Valhalla and dining with their deities. Christianity is the perfect blend of being soft and gentle but hard and strong when you need to be. This is something that is often lost on many Christians, they are infected with weakness so much so that they kneel to blasphemous behavior. Overall, I wouldn't say Twilight of The Gods was a good series mostly due to pacing issues but it was decent enough to watch and was fun to watch for the ending alone.
Extreme violence is at the core of the Gospel. We sanitize Christianity for Laodicea Ascendant but the entire Scripture is a very violent and sexual tale. Only in THIS dispensation is Grace stressed. Reformers got the Gospel right but their hermeneutics is from Aquinas who repudiated his own work. Stop idolizing the Reformers, great men yes, but flawed as we all. Start semper reformanda.
I think you're confusing gentleness with weakness. A strong man can be gentle without becoming weak, and Christ calls His followers to be both strong and gentle. Weakness is not a virtue. Christ Himself was physically strong; He was a carpenter before He began his ministry. He commanded his followers to carry a sword for self defense before sending them out, which implies they should also possess the physical strength and skill the use it effectively. And He both possessed and exercised enormous spiritual strength and authority. The key to restrain strength is to its proper use: the defeat of evil, as opposed to the commission of evil. Sometimes gentle kindness is the greater weapon against evil, and it should be deployed before strength whenever possible. But when it's not, then having the strength to oppose evil and the wisdom and courage to use it is an incredibly high virtue in itself. The modern west has largely lost sight of this idea that strength subjugated to good purposes is a virtue, much to our detriment.
@@BladeOfLight16 Please read Matthew chapter 22 and 23. Please read the Unveiled Christ Rev 3:15-19 to see how Christ treats the Church and consider that He is the example of how a husband is to treat his wife. Read 1 Peter 3:1-6 for that same reason. I wish you could read some of the other passages in the original to understand just how sailor mouth some of them get, as in Isaiah 64:6 "Our best deeds as are as a soiled menstrual rag..." being the correct translation. There IS a time for gentleness. There ARE abusive pastors, one Steve Anderson comes to mind among many. However in the main what we have is what Spurgeon called "fopishness". Limp wristed castrated men. This began so early that at the famous council of Nicea, one of the "canon laws" was that any man that castrated himself was barred from becoming a bishop. This because even then the Church was already so hateful of True masculinity that men were castrating themselves to be "more holy" following the example of Origen. There is a time for a man to put away his sword and not be violent BUT there is stand up and be violent both in word and deed Luke 22:36-38. You are being given half a Gospel, that which is suitable for women and castrated men. Be they castrated by their own hands or that of the women around them.
Balder isn’t a “rising” god. He remains in the underworld. His actual mythological death wasn’t a sacrifice either, it was a trick and murder. Loki found out that mistletoe hadn’t made the promise not to hurt him, so made a spear for Thor or another Hod the Blind from the innocent plant.
@@DocEonChannel That probably is a Christian add on post contact. It does make me wonder however what about the existing religion made Christianity as appealing or seemingly smooth. Not so much in the Norse or German lands but in the Celtic lands, though Haakon the Good presided over an interesting transition.
@@LupinGaius-ls1or what made Christianity appealing? It is the truth and the light and they, formerly in darkness, were exposed to it. If you ask me, much of Europe is descended from the scattered tribes of Israel from thousands of years ago. These are men returning to their God and Father in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
@@LupinGaius-ls1or its very possible that christianity was appaling because the old norse religion was very brutal and helped instigating warfare. Take a look at another beautiful show called Vinland Saga, it presents the invasion of england by the norse very well. It's not so hard to imagine that for the people who are not born in the warrior caste, they suffer a lot on every side, so they begin learning about christianity during the invasion. Christianity offers a religion that you don't need to kill and be killed on battle to receive the best reward, in old norse that was the way. Imagine what that alone can shape culture.
@@jexsnake The emphasis on going to Valhalla only if you died in battle caused people to find weird loopholes for their beloved family to ensure their immortality, such as stabbing the old and infirm to make them 'die in combat'. That sort of religion is generally very popular with people whose lives revolve around fighting (the nobility/warriors and the pirates), but regular folks probably had their own unique beliefs.
it implies that he is a created being instead of the eternal son of God who was and is and is to come it's not even throwing us a bone after all the debauchery in the rest of the show.
Trinity is a false doctrine preached by pagans who added verses to bible. You guys are so stuck on paganism that see this cartoon as a good thing, but any people who study the bible instead of losing time with trash knows this is not a good signal. If you adore the God of Israel, you can't even accept the existence of other gods. By the way, one of the 613 commandments is not to even look and admire false gods
Christian myself but looking at this from a narrative perspective, purely for the sake of a story, there is something interesting if the ancient gods were real, and how they would react to learning that their power is utterly irrelevant in the face of a god that's actually _the_ God. One that's impossibly ancient, and impossibly powerful. One that will command followership the likes of which they can't even grasp. One that would look at them the way a human looks at an ant; nothing but a passing curiosity. Something that could be stamped out without even noticing. Your dreams of glory amount to little more than a tickle on its toes.
I wasn't aware of either twilight of the gods or you but I saw "reformed mythologist" and was like "huh, reformed? As in reformed theology?" You just earned a sub!
The fact they depicted Christ, coming off the cross and touching Odin in such a kind and caring way, was such a moving moment. I' of the opinion all of the gods of the old pantheons and mythologies are simply the same beings as they move from culture to culture and imagined in different ways by the people of those areas and they are in fact God's angels/lesser gods/children. So a moment like this with Odin feels like the prodigal son finally coming home and being embraced by the Father.
I thought so too. But I feel like he was just devastated that he’s actually going to lose the war and have no one worshiping him. I do agree they handled it well, by not having Jesus speak… but instead be gentle with Odin despite how horrible he is. Hopefully we get a season 2, since we don’t get to see Odin after those scenes.
@@Bunny2319b I havent seen the series but it seems like something up my alley so I was gonna watch just for that cuz I was curious to see how Odin reacts after the vision.
@Kostas_Dikefalaios yes. They are demons, not lesser gods 1 Corinthians 10:14-22 14 Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak as to wise people; you then, judge what I say. 16 Is the cup of blessing which we bless not a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is the bread which we break not a sharing in the body of Christ? 17 Since there is one loaf, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one loaf. 18 Look at the people of Israel; are those who eat the sacrifices not partners in the altar? 19 What do I mean then? That food sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but I say that things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become partners with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. 22 Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? We are not stronger than He, are we?"
It's rather heartbreaking to see such yearning towards Christ, yet a level of unwillingness to give up much of what Christ is offering to rescue from, and a source of much of the pain and suffering setting them on the journey of yearning.
Vinland Saga does something very very similar, showcasing a longing within main character Thorfin for a world without war and slavery, a heaven on earth and bringing in Christian elements and principles as a way towards that world. On top of that, there’s a whole redemption and forgiveness and reconciliation theme strongly woven into the whole story.
I never cease to be amazed at how good and beautiful and true Christianity is. Each time we look at mankind's default state we realize that the values we have today we owe to Jesus, praise and glory to Him, the God Who came to us in our depravity and gave us the Way to conversion, to virtue and to share in His life.
Just because it is animated doesn't mean its for kids and also the old myths are sexually and violently explicit prehaps even worse so it shouldn't be a surprise
Honestly? I expected it to be somewhat sexual and violent… but they did it way too much😭😭 not a bad thing, i absolutely loved that they represented Nordic mythology so well A bit uncomfortable but it’s nice to see them do research, hoping for a season 2
@@Bunny2319b Hmm yeah I agree they didn't need to show characters to having sex explicitly they could have just implied but oh well that's this culture
So I’ve personally believed for some time that the Christian elements that exist in Norse Mythology (Baldr being reminiscent of Christ for example) are remnants of a religion that knew of Christ before He came. We know from the Bible that the prophecies of Christ were known in areas other than Judea. Where else did the wise men hear about Him? So it’s very interesting to see that kind of idea being depicted in this show. I’m not really a fan of Snyder and I probably won’t watch this show, but I’m happy to hear that this happened.
Christ coming was prophecied before the flood to Adam and Eve, and later even in the very names of the ten generations until Noah. It's the oldest and most widespread prophecy in existence.
Have you ever read _The Everlasting Man_ by Chesterton? It goes into great depth about how the pagans predicted Christ and much of their mythology is Christological foreshadowing. Tolkien used some of the arguments in this book to convert C.S. Lewis from a sort of deistic neopaganism to Christianity. The book is well worth your time.
This revelation is talked about by Paul in his writings. God has written in the hearts of men before they knew him. Theologically it's called General Revelation.
There was at least one missionary that visited NW Europe long before the Catholic church showed up. ST Patrick claimed to have been a part of a Christian order that dated itself nearly to the time of Christ, and independent of the Catholic church. Also, their color was blue, not the green that the Catholic church forced upon him.
People get big mad when i argue that jesus is the same savior god coming back to earth repeatedly to offer salvation by different names in different cultures, but genuinely think about it. Why would he wait until the last 2 thousand years to show up and then just repeat everything someone else said before? Its almost like he's not repeating someone else, he's repeating what he said when we humans called him something else. If only the bible said something about jesus returning... 😉 But i mean besides that its kind of painfully obvious he is in the same tradition, down to referencing other savior gods myths. If i wasn't trying to look like dionysus, the last thing i would do is quote his story lbvs.
One of the things I really like about this channel is the consistent “media consumption is optional” disclaimer. It helps us to remember not to get bogged down in the content, but still to look beyond it to what it’s pointing us towards.
Snyder likes the Grit. It defines his filmmaking and storytelling format. We all know this. And I've never understood why everyone gets triggered by him 24/7.
@@Messianic-Gentile if you’re referring to the stories mentioned in the Gospels, Christ cursed it. Different kind of cursing, literal cursing. Im talking about swearing, using profane language I.e. F*ck. Go read Mark 11.
@@Messianic-Gentile sorry. Missed the joke. Its certain that, for many reasons, most Christians would agree in saying that it is cursing/swearing/etc. The scriptures are pretty clear that it is wrong. I thought the way you did once, I’d challenge both of you to reevaluate.
Sure, it may not offend us in this comment section. But the Word does tell us to be wary of how we speak. Proverbs 18:21: "The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit" Proverbs 21:23: "Whoso keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles" Ephesians 4:29: "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying" Proverbs 15:1: "A soft answer turneth away wrath but grievous words stir up anger" Proverbs 13:3: "Whoever guards his mouth preserves his life; he who opens wide his lips comes to ruin" Matthew 15:18: "But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person" Matthew 12:36: "I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak" James 3: "The tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark"
7:12 That church is Saint Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC! I’ve been there. Really beautiful place. They changed the look by making the towers on the sides smaller than they should be for some reason, but it’s clearly the same. Christ is King!
"He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him." Colossians 2:15 These "rulers and authorities" are the so called gods, or the spiritual powers that ruled the world before Christ in Paul's worldview. So yeah, this series' conclusion is practically quoting the Bible.
Snyder has always leaned into philosophy and religion in his films. He doesn't get nearly enough credit for the depth in his works. Sadly, it tends to go over most people. Thoughly enjoyed your breqk down of the show. I'm looking forward to its sequel!
Oh I finally get it, Baldr is a sort of Christ-like figure, and in the way that the Norse world accepted the vengeance-driven world they lived in, but yearned for something more. Baldr (purity, innocence, a promise child) is slain by Holdr (a great archer, very good at his craft, yet blind) using his one weakness, mistletoe. If mistletoe represents love, it makes sense as to why Baldr's mother didn't make it promise not to hurt Baldr. On the surface, it seems like love would never hurt or kill. Though, that assumption is a weak spot. And it was through their love of violence and quarrel that their pure and innocents were slain by martial elements being told where to throw their missiles, but blind to the harm they were really causing. Therefore, that which is actually most precious to them is slain in the process. So of course deep down they yearned for a world in which this did not have to happen.
This is so cool, I've made a comic a couple of decades ago with the same premise, but it was about the Greek/roman gods. It's awesome to see something similar but from Hollywood and about Norse mythology. Great video, awesome analysis
And Psalm 82. I can’t help but wonder how many of our algorithms threw this vid in because we watch Michael Heiser and/or storytelling philosophy channels (including secular ones). 😁
@@Shane_The_Confessor No he didn’t. His view does not reflect the historic angelic interpretation of Genesis 6 held by the church. And the Jewish literature of the second temple era contradicts much of Heiser’s theory. They held an angelic interpretation but it is far simpler then Heiser suggests.
@@thebishopoftherailway4719 It's not his view. Heiser did not have an original thought. The whole "created Gods" thing over the nations is the historical view of the time period and the New Testament. Jesus using psalm 82 as a prooftext for being divine is pretty definitive.
@@thebishopoftherailway4719 It is a pretty common view, maybe not the most widely accepted view across all denominations but it is a view not contradicted by scripture, remember Jesus defeated the Pagan Demon Gods on the Cross and even now read Ephesians 6:12 for fun
Fascinating! I haven't seen the series, but as a fan of Jesus and also mythology I clicked on this video. It was super interesting and encouraging. Thank you!
I'm the 3rd type of person, I didn't even know this show existed so i'm gonna check it out and come back later for the video. Thank you and thanks to the all powerful RUclips algorithm.
The message suggests that every religion has a beginning and an end and that the true power of the gods lies in their worshippers. Without belief, the gods fade into oblivion. Odin came to this realization too late; he understood that his existence depended on the people who believed in him. This idea parallels the themes in the series "American Gods," where older gods and deities, including Jesus, are being replaced by the new power of technology.
I enjoyed the show. I often don’t understand why people complain about explicit content. I get it to a certain point but How do you portray someone committing a sin without showing the sin being committed. I get that there are more subtle ways of doing this (that never knock home the point as hard) but if this is actually a Christian show then I think Zac was showing how far humans fall when under the dominion of other gods. It was a brutal, violent, sexually immoral time where people lusted for blood, took pride in killing and did so for their gods. It’s not all sunshine and roses all the time. Our history was pretty gross guys 😂 As a Christian I often think we need to grow up and remember that. This was a cartoon, drawings, depictions of another time completely different to ours to tell a story. There were also stories of love. Sex is also a pretty damn beautiful thing and there were actual love stories being portrayed in this show, not saying you should go out having a 3 sims with your wife like in this show but that’s how life was back then😂 The explicit content had an impact on many that watched the show, just read the reviews 😂 But that’s kinda the point the show was trying get across to the audience and it worked but unfortunately most people miss the point and just went ew, that’s gross, misplaced, doesn’t add to the story, it’s vulgar, it’s to much of a depiction of sin… Again, that’s what life was like back then, it was probably worse 😂😂 They have a description and age restrictions for a reason, if it’s not your thing, don’t watch it and then complain about the explicit stuff you were warned about 😂
Christians like to believe the Book of Solomon (a wholesome book about s*ex of a love struck girl) and Judge 19 didn't exist. In Judges 19 the husband practically gave his wife to be gang raped by those belonging to the tribe of Benjamin because they were horn dogs and she died. He then cut her body parts and spread them throughout the cities owned by the tribe of Benjamin and put a curse of them and that's why the tribe doesn't exist anymore.
As a Norwegian Christian, I was more offended at how they portrayed the Norse culture and Mythology than how they portrayed Christ. The way Odin is speechless at how the future unfolds and seeing his idols destroyed and burned while the Churches of Christ are still standing a millenia after, while Odin is forgotten, is brilliantly made. Even today, in secular Norway, people will have a better understanding of Christ and Christianity than Odin. What I disliked, other than how sexually and violently explicit it was, was how they portrayed the Norse stories. Things like Volsungs, Andvarri, Fafnir, the Vanir and Hervor are part of the Norse sagas, which all have interesting stories, are totally butchered by this depiction. It is Sigurd the Great Dragonslayer who killed Fafnir, not Andvari and Sigrid. I almost thought Sigrid was supposed to be a genderbent version of Sigurd. Another thing is how the enemies of the gods, the Jotunar (giants) are portrayed. Jotuns are not good. Even after Christianity they were hated and many stories about the Jotuns were told with God and St. Olaf protecting mankind from the Jotuns. Honestly, I have no problem with someone portraying the Norse gods in a negative light, but I think it should be for how they actually act, not how they are reimagined to act. Want a good critique of the Norse gods? Just read Lokesenna. It annoys me how much they butchered the stories because they obviously do know some of the unique stories, but they have reimagined them into a worse version.
I haven't watched the show, but I think this kind of transformation in a character seems to be clearly inspired by Paul's conversion but not only that. This extreme shift from "the merciless" to "the merciful" is also a metaphor for what happens in the heart of everyone who finds Christ. If you're interested in more fictional stories deeply inspired by Christian faith, I'd suggest you the Chronicles of Narnia (by CS Lewis).
If you know Zack Snyder then you won’t be surprised by the explicit content. And Odin experiencing Jesus Christ was badass. I was impressed matter of fact. Thought of a Gustave Dorè painting
I am both a mythology geek, a fan of DC (and Snyder) as well as a Christian. Oddly, I really love Hazbin and Helluva Boss even if the story itself has a bit of elaboration. I may need to check this one out since I'm a huge fan of Norse mythology.
This is encouraging to me to follow through with my ideas to deliver the gospel message in a variety of creative and contemporary genres. I wont watch it lol but it does help folks better grasp how much of an impact the Nazarene had.
Big fan of Snyder here. Love his imagery...but yeah he's over the top on gore and sex. If I ever meet him, I'll tell him. He was raised heavy in the Catholic church. I watch a lot of Christian content, so I'm in that crowd. But I loved Batman v Superman lol
Thank you for the explanation, bro! Excellently done! And I will ask the Lord to use Zack's work here to help people see superiority of the Most High, Jesus, compared to every other spiritual being/ god He made. Deuteronomy 32 and Psalm 82, man. Only YHWH deserves worship, for He made all and sustains all, and no one loves us and wants us to live forever in freedom [the freedom to do goodness] like He does.
I, like you, stumbled on the clip...wondered how I felt about it...then oddly it came to my mind at church and seemed to deepen my worship thinking of He who died to save me from the bloody worship of such "gods". Was looking for the clip again, and stumbled on this-really enjoyed it...especially learning about how Norse mythology as we know it may have been impacted by Christianity...and how God can use odd things like this to share Christ...Jesus Christ Superstar is part of my mother's testimony.
Pagan Gods have great stories but it was always about humans sacrificing to the Gods, the story of Christ (the Christ archetype) is about a/the God sacrificing to the people. The story of Jesus inverted the story of the pagan Gods and even if not religious (like me) should always be seen as a powerful and meaningful symbol of true love for mankind
One more thing that stood out to me as a potential reference to Christian themes is how Loki says that him, a god, killing Thor would not change the state of the world, but rather it needs to be a mortal who enacts the change. While I don't think Sigrid is supposed to be received as a symbol for Christ in any way, I think it's quite likely inspiration was drawn from the idea that Christ needed to become human for His sacrifice to be able to bring salvation. Then again, considering that Sigrid ended up killing Baldr rather than Thor, maybe there's even more parallels there.
Just came across your channel, great video. And, I recently finished the show (probably why you showed up thanks to algorithms lol.) I'm a Christian myself and the Jesus depiction is what drew me to the show. I couldn't believe how not only respectful, but impactful the depiction was. So for fun, I looked up Snyder's response when he was asked the "why" for it. Here's what he had to say: "I think in this one, to me, where we talked about this whole concept of Odin [thinking], "What becomes of me? What happens to my persona?" And the idea that it kind of gets co-opted, stolen in a way, by the Christian God, if you will, or the Christ figure. I just thought it was really fun and kind of a cool thing to kind of explore and look at. Also, it's the idea that this imagery: Christ on the cross [and] Odin on the World Tree. This is ancient stuff. It's not really the domain of a single religious faith, but it has a universal quality that we can find "the why" ourselves. I think that's the message for me. Why it appears in my work so often? I'm not 100% sure. I'll be honest." I never had my hopes up that Snyder was some kind of "closeted believer," and that he was trying to low-key make the point that Christ is King. Still, it was the saving grace (no pun intended) of the show. I'll definitely be checking out the rest of your videos for sure man :)
It was. They denied the state gods, the family gods, the local gods, all the gods that everyone else you know worships, even if not by the same name or in the same way. At that point, the distinction is a hair split. Besides the fact christianity was often literally called atheism by non christians and christians were legally charged for atheism.
It's really interesting reading up on Scandinavian paganism and Christianity. While I'm doubtful about the "Ragnarok was invented by Christians" argument, I can absolutely see syncretism between Ragnarok (as a pagan concept) and Revelation/Judgement Day that gained traction as Christianity spread across Scandinavia right before and during the Viking Age. Christianity became more enforced by Scandinavian kings near the end of the Viking Age for the sake of political alliances with Christian rulers, but ordinary people were adopting Christian beliefs over hundreds of years, a fairly slow-going process. The sagas offer some insight into how pagan vs. Christian beliefs and attitudes were viewed, sometimes with similarities, often with differences. It's a very layered aspect of Scandinavia's religious history that I've enjoyed learning about.
Even when Odin was revealed his three forms, and how one of the Odin was sacrificed to Odin to gain knowledge. I had took take a step back and contemplate.
I remember a conversation with my dad one time about how self censored Christianity tends to be. I studied rumenal and gave always been fascinated by Odin on Yggdrasil, a sacrifice to himself, pierced by his own spear.
It's Zack Snyder. Even for Superman, he made it to have Christian allegories. He portrayed Superman as a Jesus-like character that was scrutinised when he was emerging for the first time, then he sacrifice himself to save mankind & rose as a saviour to the whole world with loyal followers (Justice League).
I’m a Christian and had no idea this show existed lol. My wife and I are currently watching manifest and this show didn’t come up at all. But glad I came across this review. And I appreciate the overt expression of the gospel message in some of Snyder’s work. I don’t know if he’s a Christian himself, but I appreciate it all the same.
BTW, I must ask if the version of Batman v Superman you tried to watch was the theatrical cut or the Ultimate Edition? It's pretty much universally recognized that the latter is a VAST improvement, a MUCH better film.
Considering that these religions did not come about until after the flood, and not until babel. It was then that God appointed "Cheiftans" amongst the nations (spiritual babysitters), and took Israel for Himself to protect the line of Jesus. It only seems fit that their (the old gods) time to transmit "law" and "religion" would end with Christ's sacrifice on the cross and the initiation of the new covenant.
I liked your review, very well-spoken. I was taken back by the Christian imagery in that scene, as a former Christian, but it made an impact that I know would resonate with many. The powerful storytelling and animation weaved beautifully, like Blue Eyed Samurai (another adult animated series).
It’s crazy how love is literally the strongest and highest frequency out of all of them fear is the lowest on the spectrum but Jesus was love incarnate what’s love love is GOD
@@melodiasrojas8428We largely peacefully converted. We converted Rome peacefully through the preaching of Christ. And even then, our wars were mostly just. Pagans were disgusting and the Muslims had previously attacked on and were still attacking us. Stuff like the Crusades were just.
I have it in my watch list, Snider does a good job delivering powerful action in the screen small or not. The irony is that religion in modern times has fallen hard times itself. It seems the hearts of men do not seem fixed in faith on any religion for too long.
I recomended an japanese anime that really potrayed Christianity better than any Christian movie, manga and anime called Vinland Saga. Its really potrayed what is "love" That Christian meants.
I wasn't surprised by how explicit it was but by how positive it was. Knowing how Christianity has a bad rep in Hollywood
As a rue of thumb, anything Hollywood is against is probably worth looking into
Agreed
What are you yapping about 💀?
Still has. Christians just got sick of it.
yeah your right always keep one eye open when it comes to Hollywood
I neither knew about the show nor sought Christian media, it just struck me how Christianity is only included in shows these days in order to mock it - outside of super cringe, explicitly pro-Christian media made for the sole purpose. A high-quality animation that delves in and treats it seriously is exceedingly rare.
You might be interested in The prince of Egypt. An animated movie that tells the story of Moses. I highly recommend it.
@@fantasticbirdblue not biblically accurate. Doesn't show Moses mercin a dude and then running away from Egypt before being called back to lead his people out of captivity.
But still a fun movie to watch with the kiddos.
@WinkyMcWinkerson that does happen tho?
@@WinkyMcWinkersonI think it did?
The prince of Egypt is great. There was some poetic license taken with the story, but overall it treated the story well. The music is superb as well.
I knew that Christian missionaries incorporated Ragnarok into their presentation of the Gospel but I've never heard that the concept of Ragnarok might have developed because of Christianity. That's a fascinating possibility. I only recently started reading Beowulf for the first time and was surprised to learn that the narrator of the poem is boldly Christian.
On a related note, St Patrick claimed he came from a Christian order (whose color was blue, not green) that was started by a missionary that came to them shortly after Jesus' resurrection and before the Catholic church started.
@@aikan7457St. Patrick was, of course, Catholic.
To my knowledge, after reading excerpts of Beowulf in college, Beowulf himself was a pillar of righteousness. I loved how pure and godly that dude was in the snippets we read, so I'm not surprised that the author of the Beowulf loved Jesus. It's an excellent thing to, haha!
I read a book recently about religion in the Viking age (and a little before and after), and it seems like many Scandinavian Christian writers of the sagas had a lot of respect for their pagan ancestors. They still believed Christianity was superior and wrote in a post-Christianization context, but they included examples of "righteous pagans" in their texts. They still had ancestral reverence that didn't clash with their Christian beliefs. Really cool to learn about!
I think they actually talk about this in the Thor comics. Thor says that Ragnarok has happened more than once in history, and the first time it happened was when Jesus Christ was born.
I myself was super intrigued about the crucifixion scene that I saw in a short clip. Ended up watching the whole show. And you are dead on on all the different aspects about this film. As someone who studied Roman culture in particular, The world that Christ saved humanity from was a never ending horror show. The film in a weird way does show a glimpse of the beauty the church would bring to the world. By no means does this mean that all “Christians” never did wrong or never did anything horrible, but rather on a whole message of Christ has been in net positive for humanity.
Yup. Especially considering how disgusting and horrible Odin and Thor were.
This was the future Sigrid wanted. I can’t wait for season 2!
The “all religions are bad crowd” are wildly unaware of the unimaginable cruelty throughout the entire world before Christ, and they now suggest that Christianity is evil through a lens of what is entirely Christ-defined morality, that is so ingrained they think it’s just common sense.
Shouts out to the Christian monks who compiled and preserved the Edda for the world to learn about Norse mythology
Indeed. There are only as many very old texts or copies of very old texts around today because Catholic monks preserved them.
@@fornax4676 Good thing they did so we can have knowledge of other religions beyond Christianity. They could have just wiped it from history but instead decided to preserve it so good on them.
@ArchReverend Knowledge of other beliefs is not only valuable for history's sake, but also to demonstrate how radically different Christianity is from other belief systems.
it is always the case! christians never destroyed knowledge and history!
@@gipsymelody1268 👍🏻 Basically, the Church came up against the question centuries ago, “There are other religions out there. Can we draw wisdom from them or other secular works?”. The ultimate answer was “Yes” which is why there’s as much as there is around today. Pretty cool.
So while I am a Christian, I think the algorithm threw this vid into my feed because I watch a LOT of “science” or philosophy of storytelling videos. So your hits are expanding! Appreciated this video, thank you. 🙏
I think they got me exactly the same way
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Amen to that! My algorithm is pretty much the same because of the same things I watch. The "science" and atheist arguments sort of thing has been a way for me to study and learn the Word of God and to know Yeshua well. I quite enjoy the study and research, it helps that I've grown up wanting to be an archeologist and go to historical places Jesus has been and where He affected the hearts of many. It's refreshing to see someone like me around, so God bless you
If you adore the God of Israel, you can't even accept the existence of other gods. By the way, one of the 613 commandments is not to even look and admire false gods
I think i'm in the same boat as well. I'm glad to find this channel. I almost didn't click, but the surprise of a Christian related show on netflix surprised me.
@@TheLookingGlass001 it’s funny-I studied archaeology out of a desire to “explore all the places” of both my spiritual, and ethnic roots (which are primarily Scots-Irish). Instead, God led me down a path I didn’t expect-but I’m still using that education, just in ways I didn’t anticipate.
Listening to storytellers, philosophers, and non-antagonistic atheists has honed my understanding of what it is to be human in this imperfect reality; unpacking Scripture in its full historical and linguistic context (through venues like The Bible Project, Michael Heiser, NT Wright, and Eitan Bar) has deepened my understanding of what Jesus wants His imagers to BE, fully realized.
You’re definitely not alone. 🕊️ Go with God.
The fall of the gods is expressed in scripture. I would recommend reading or listening to Dr. Michael Heiser's The Unseen Realm for more information on this subject.
I was thinking exactly the same thing! He went into great detail in his Naked Bible podcast. I'm still working my way through hundreds of episodes. Fascinating stuff.
I just finished his book Demons: what the Bible actually says about the forces of darkness. First of his material I’ve read, it was fantastic! I think I’ll pick up The unseen realm next.
YES! Love Dr Heiser’s work. If it pops up in the algorithm for you it’s like when harry p got the letter from that weird school. You’ve been selected 😂
No. There is only one God...of course, if you follow the bible.
You're not monotheist if you accepted the existence of other gods.
@@Dickens76 Read bible and stop being in podcasts. You guys don't read.
Many cultures and moral systems take for granted that their morals come from a Christian foundation. The Lord of Hosts is everywhere, we just need to look for Him...
If Christianity was foundation for morals than how is it that Christians killed thousands of witches during witch trials, and organised inquisition.
Bs
Todays morals surely come not from christianity, but the fight against it's influence
Our legal system is pagan roman, our liberal societies come from agnostics and atheists.
You wanna see religious morals, look no further than Afghanistan and Iran
@@jaredgreen2363 You just called morality bs, tells us all we need to know about you, because like it or not, todays morality and sense of morality is the result of Christianity, the result of the one true God instilling morals into us from before we were even born.
There were moral societies well and before Christianity or even Abraham existed. There are moral tribes that are uncontacted that have never heard of Jesus. If all religions were to just vanish off the face of the earth, society would still have its moral foundations in survival and social cohesion. God is not the arbiter or distributer of morality, and considering there is no solid evidence for a God/any Gods, any word/moral law it/they would need to speak would have to first come from man so really where does that morality come from?
Revelation: 19:15-16
Out of his mouth came a sharp sword to strike the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod, and he himself will tread out in the wine press* the wine of the fury and wrath of God the almighty.
He has a name written on his cloak and on his thigh, “King of kings and Lord of lords.”
Praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ
The Lord Jesus Christ told the fallen principalities (fallen angels) that their time was up. He came to claim back the authority that Adam lost and set the captives free.
Hallelujah ✝️ 🙏🏻 Amen.
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@@araworn2141 Can't say you weren't warned.
@@araworn2141 the brilliant scientist Sir Isaac Newton calculated that the Bible is true
If you adore the God of Israel, you can't even accept the existence of other gods. By the way, one of the 613 commandments is not to even look and admire false gods.
There is one God.
@Bolaway It's not that you can't _acknowledge_ the existence of other gods, its just that those gods are not God (YHWH) and therefore they should not be worshipped. YHWH is THE God above all the gods of the nations, which are only the fallen angels masquerading as gods to the peoples to receive worship and ultimately take the people make in God's image with them into the lake of fire. They are after all, enemies of God (YHWH) and He has sentenced them to the lake of fire for the sin they brought into creation, ultimately leading to the fall of man.
I was offended when someone told me Jesus was in this show about the Norse Gods. As a former pagan, turned Orthodox Christian, it really bothered me... but seeing how they integrated Him, and the concept of Christianity into the mythological/historical framework of my ancestors, I'm wondering if I might check it out after all...... thank you for this
What made you convert?
☦️☦️ Christ is in our Midst!
@@sweetxjcHe is and ever shall be
@@WildMen4444 the Holy Spirit, whom else?
As a former atheist, I am amazed about how many pagan and atheist turn ortho bro!!
Peace to you, brother in Christ.
This is why they won’t let Zack Snyder cook, he’s a man of God
No, it’s usually his view that he’s just too smart for most audiences, instead of just him being bad at conveying complex ideas. He also weaponizes his support to threaten studios for his own ends, so it makes him tough to want to employ
@@CreaturesOfTheMarshAnd his movies always pander to dudes who make holes into their walls as quoted by Alex from Angry Joe.
@@fulcrum6760 i like the Snyder cut, don’t put holes in walls👍🏾
@@fulcrum6760 Imagine watching Angry Joe lmao
With explicit sex scenes?
I would argue it's more than just an argument that Ragnarok is influenced by Christianity - rather it is almost a certainty. As you mentioned, the two main sources for Norse mythology that we have were both written by Christians when Norse paganism was dying out. The emphasis on Ragnarok, therefore, is almost certainly influenced by the disappearance of that religion, but also by the heavily apocalyptic themes in early Medieval Christianity.
While modern Christians often don't put so much emphasis on it, for a significant chunk of its history Christians believed the world was potentially going to end at any moment, and that was a major component of their faith. Other Norse pagan evidence doesn't put the same emphasis on Ragnarok that equivalent Christian art puts on the Apocalypse, so it is very likely that this is at least in part a product of the Christian authors.
We still believe that the end is fast approaching. Repent and put your faith in Jesus Christ friend.
This is an argument from silence.
@@Quincy_Morris I don't think you understand what that means
Also, Christianity existed among the Celts long before the Catholic church showed up, so it is entirely possible that Norse mythology was influenced by Christianity some time before those documents were written.
Also early Christians in Europe didn’t mind mixing the two. They felt as though both were a part of their history and openly acknowledged they were accepting a new religion and rejecting another, viewing this positively. There’s a lot of beautiful Irish children stories about God waiting for them to become Christians.
My fiancée watched it, she called me over for the scene with Christ.
Suffice to say some tears were shed by me.
Tears are only emotion. If you guys really read the bible, you would see this is not good, because it is another form of mixing paganism to bible.
So she didn’t call you over during the sex scenes huh
Bruh 😂
You are one insanely ridiculous man.
"Oh look, a scene with Jesus Christ, this show it's super Christian!!!... let's just ignore all the gore, violence, lesbian threesome, explicit sex, and barbarism that came before for the sake of my pseudo-spirituality"
Bro odin kneeling before Christ was HARD!
Odin would never kneel before anyone.
@ well he’s not real and Jesus is. The Vikings eventually dumped him and became Christian. I hope you find Jesus too.
@@goman335More people believe in Allah than Yahweh, so Islam must be the true religion, and not yours. I hope you find Allah too.
@ no they don’t. Christianity is still the largest religion and no that’s not what I even said. I didn’t bring up the number of believers. However there is actual historical evidence that Jesus was real. There’s absolutely zero evidence Odin ever existed even as a warrior.
@@Surreal_Traveler nice straw man though lol.
I personally believe that the showing of extreme violence and the like are necessary for the telling of any story within the Norse mythos. Norse Mythology is very explicate, as were the lives of the Norse so it's at least being genuine to the source material. On top of this, it helps drive the point home that society or individuals do not need to be vengeful, aggressive and strong to survive. Really, the Norse Mythologies fell because they were overly aggressive, because they enforced aggression from those who followed it with promises of entering Valhalla and dining with their deities. Christianity is the perfect blend of being soft and gentle but hard and strong when you need to be. This is something that is often lost on many Christians, they are infected with weakness so much so that they kneel to blasphemous behavior. Overall, I wouldn't say Twilight of The Gods was a good series mostly due to pacing issues but it was decent enough to watch and was fun to watch for the ending alone.
Extreme violence is at the core of the Gospel. We sanitize Christianity for Laodicea Ascendant but the entire Scripture is a very violent and sexual tale. Only in THIS dispensation is Grace stressed. Reformers got the Gospel right but their hermeneutics is from Aquinas who repudiated his own work.
Stop idolizing the Reformers, great men yes, but flawed as we all. Start semper reformanda.
I think you're confusing gentleness with weakness. A strong man can be gentle without becoming weak, and Christ calls His followers to be both strong and gentle. Weakness is not a virtue. Christ Himself was physically strong; He was a carpenter before He began his ministry. He commanded his followers to carry a sword for self defense before sending them out, which implies they should also possess the physical strength and skill the use it effectively. And He both possessed and exercised enormous spiritual strength and authority. The key to restrain strength is to its proper use: the defeat of evil, as opposed to the commission of evil. Sometimes gentle kindness is the greater weapon against evil, and it should be deployed before strength whenever possible. But when it's not, then having the strength to oppose evil and the wisdom and courage to use it is an incredibly high virtue in itself. The modern west has largely lost sight of this idea that strength subjugated to good purposes is a virtue, much to our detriment.
@@BladeOfLight16 I'm having a bit of trouble in understanding why you believe I'm misinterpreting gentleness with weakness?
@@BladeOfLight16 Please read Matthew chapter 22 and 23. Please read the Unveiled Christ Rev 3:15-19 to see how Christ treats the Church and consider that He is the example of how a husband is to treat his wife. Read 1 Peter 3:1-6 for that same reason. I wish you could read some of the other passages in the original to understand just how sailor mouth some of them get, as in Isaiah 64:6 "Our best deeds as are as a soiled menstrual rag..." being the correct translation. There IS a time for gentleness. There ARE abusive pastors, one Steve Anderson comes to mind among many. However in the main what we have is what Spurgeon called "fopishness". Limp wristed castrated men. This began so early that at the famous council of Nicea, one of the "canon laws" was that any man that castrated himself was barred from becoming a bishop. This because even then the Church was already so hateful of True masculinity that men were castrating themselves to be "more holy" following the example of Origen.
There is a time for a man to put away his sword and not be violent BUT there is stand up and be violent both in word and deed Luke 22:36-38.
You are being given half a Gospel, that which is suitable for women and castrated men. Be they castrated by their own hands or that of the women around them.
That's really incredible actually! Every culture and tradition of men has a whisper and longing for the Divine Logos.
Balder isn’t a “rising” god. He remains in the underworld. His actual mythological death wasn’t a sacrifice either, it was a trick and murder. Loki found out that mistletoe hadn’t made the promise not to hurt him, so made a spear for Thor or another Hod the Blind from the innocent plant.
He comes back to the new world after Ragnarok.
@@DocEonChannel That probably is a Christian add on post contact. It does make me wonder however what about the existing religion made Christianity as appealing or seemingly smooth. Not so much in the Norse or German lands but in the Celtic lands, though Haakon the Good presided over an interesting transition.
@@LupinGaius-ls1or what made Christianity appealing? It is the truth and the light and they, formerly in darkness, were exposed to it. If you ask me, much of Europe is descended from the scattered tribes of Israel from thousands of years ago. These are men returning to their God and Father in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
@@LupinGaius-ls1or its very possible that christianity was appaling because the old norse religion was very brutal and helped instigating warfare. Take a look at another beautiful show called Vinland Saga, it presents the invasion of england by the norse very well. It's not so hard to imagine that for the people who are not born in the warrior caste, they suffer a lot on every side, so they begin learning about christianity during the invasion. Christianity offers a religion that you don't need to kill and be killed on battle to receive the best reward, in old norse that was the way. Imagine what that alone can shape culture.
@@jexsnake The emphasis on going to Valhalla only if you died in battle caused people to find weird loopholes for their beloved family to ensure their immortality, such as stabbing the old and infirm to make them 'die in combat'. That sort of religion is generally very popular with people whose lives revolve around fighting (the nobility/warriors and the pirates), but regular folks probably had their own unique beliefs.
That was my favourite part in the entire show. Every knee shall bend to the one true God Jesus Christ!
it implies that he is a created being instead of the eternal son of God who was and is and is to come it's not even throwing us a bone after all the debauchery in the rest of the show.
Eww, get your fairy tales out of my fairy tales please.
Trinity is a false doctrine preached by pagans who added verses to bible. You guys are so stuck on paganism that see this cartoon as a good thing, but any people who study the bible instead of losing time with trash knows this is not a good signal.
If you adore the God of Israel, you can't even accept the existence of other gods. By the way, one of the 613 commandments is not to even look and admire false gods
@@BernasLLno
In your dreams...
Christian myself but looking at this from a narrative perspective, purely for the sake of a story, there is something interesting if the ancient gods were real, and how they would react to learning that their power is utterly irrelevant in the face of a god that's actually _the_ God. One that's impossibly ancient, and impossibly powerful. One that will command followership the likes of which they can't even grasp. One that would look at them the way a human looks at an ant; nothing but a passing curiosity. Something that could be stamped out without even noticing. Your dreams of glory amount to little more than a tickle on its toes.
Thank God Zack Snyder knows that Christianity is Great !
Then why are the majority of it's followers and worshippers so fucking bad at being like Jesus?
I wasn't aware of either twilight of the gods or you but I saw "reformed mythologist" and was like "huh, reformed? As in reformed theology?"
You just earned a sub!
The fact they depicted Christ, coming off the cross and touching Odin in such a kind and caring way, was such a moving moment. I' of the opinion all of the gods of the old pantheons and mythologies are simply the same beings as they move from culture to culture and imagined in different ways by the people of those areas and they are in fact God's angels/lesser gods/children. So a moment like this with Odin feels like the prodigal son finally coming home and being embraced by the Father.
I thought so too. But I feel like he was just devastated that he’s actually going to lose the war and have no one worshiping him. I do agree they handled it well, by not having Jesus speak… but instead be gentle with Odin despite how horrible he is.
Hopefully we get a season 2, since we don’t get to see Odin after those scenes.
@@Bunny2319b I havent seen the series but it seems like something up my alley so I was gonna watch just for that cuz I was curious to see how Odin reacts after the vision.
Domt display them as something positive. The pagan gods are told to be demons traditionally.
@Kostas_Dikefalaios yes. They are demons, not lesser gods
1 Corinthians 10:14-22
14 Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak as to wise people; you then, judge what I say. 16 Is the cup of blessing which we bless not a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is the bread which we break not a sharing in the body of Christ? 17 Since there is one loaf, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one loaf. 18 Look at the people of Israel; are those who eat the sacrifices not partners in the altar? 19 What do I mean then? That food sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but I say that things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become partners with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. 22 Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? We are not stronger than He, are we?"
Christ has no gentleness for rebel gods. Odin, and all the old gods, are rebels and are condemned by Christ.
It's rather heartbreaking to see such yearning towards Christ, yet a level of unwillingness to give up much of what Christ is offering to rescue from, and a source of much of the pain and suffering setting them on the journey of yearning.
Powerful
Vinland Saga does something very very similar, showcasing a longing within main character Thorfin for a world without war and slavery, a heaven on earth and bringing in Christian elements and principles as a way towards that world. On top of that, there’s a whole redemption and forgiveness and reconciliation theme strongly woven into the whole story.
I saw this clip and was hoping you would tackle it. Thanks for the great video.
I never cease to be amazed at how good and beautiful and true Christianity is. Each time we look at mankind's default state we realize that the values we have today we owe to Jesus, praise and glory to Him, the God Who came to us in our depravity and gave us the Way to conversion, to virtue and to share in His life.
Just because it is animated doesn't mean its for kids and also the old myths are sexually and violently explicit prehaps even worse so it shouldn't be a surprise
Honestly? I expected it to be somewhat sexual and violent… but they did it way too much😭😭 not a bad thing, i absolutely loved that they represented Nordic mythology so well
A bit uncomfortable but it’s nice to see them do research, hoping for a season 2
@@Bunny2319b Hmm yeah I agree they didn't need to show characters to having sex explicitly they could have just implied but oh well that's this culture
So I’ve personally believed for some time that the Christian elements that exist in Norse Mythology (Baldr being reminiscent of Christ for example) are remnants of a religion that knew of Christ before He came. We know from the Bible that the prophecies of Christ were known in areas other than Judea. Where else did the wise men hear about Him? So it’s very interesting to see that kind of idea being depicted in this show. I’m not really a fan of Snyder and I probably won’t watch this show, but I’m happy to hear that this happened.
Christ coming was prophecied before the flood to Adam and Eve, and later even in the very names of the ten generations until Noah. It's the oldest and most widespread prophecy in existence.
Have you ever read _The Everlasting Man_ by Chesterton? It goes into great depth about how the pagans predicted Christ and much of their mythology is Christological foreshadowing. Tolkien used some of the arguments in this book to convert C.S. Lewis from a sort of deistic neopaganism to Christianity. The book is well worth your time.
This revelation is talked about by Paul in his writings. God has written in the hearts of men before they knew him. Theologically it's called General Revelation.
There was at least one missionary that visited NW Europe long before the Catholic church showed up. ST Patrick claimed to have been a part of a Christian order that dated itself nearly to the time of Christ, and independent of the Catholic church. Also, their color was blue, not the green that the Catholic church forced upon him.
People get big mad when i argue that jesus is the same savior god coming back to earth repeatedly to offer salvation by different names in different cultures, but genuinely think about it. Why would he wait until the last 2 thousand years to show up and then just repeat everything someone else said before? Its almost like he's not repeating someone else, he's repeating what he said when we humans called him something else. If only the bible said something about jesus returning... 😉
But i mean besides that its kind of painfully obvious he is in the same tradition, down to referencing other savior gods myths. If i wasn't trying to look like dionysus, the last thing i would do is quote his story lbvs.
One of the things I really like about this channel is the consistent “media consumption is optional” disclaimer.
It helps us to remember not to get bogged down in the content, but still to look beyond it to what it’s pointing us towards.
Snyder likes the Grit. It defines his filmmaking and storytelling format. We all know this.
And I've never understood why everyone gets triggered by him 24/7.
Despite the show's degeneracy, Christ's appearance was based as fuck. So, good on them.
Cursing like that ain’t Christ-like either.
@@Wolflung Is it tho?
@@Messianic-Gentile if you’re referring to the stories mentioned in the Gospels, Christ cursed it. Different kind of cursing, literal cursing. Im talking about swearing, using profane language I.e. F*ck. Go read Mark 11.
@@Messianic-Gentile sorry. Missed the joke. Its certain that, for many reasons, most Christians would agree in saying that it is cursing/swearing/etc. The scriptures are pretty clear that it is wrong. I thought the way you did once, I’d challenge both of you to reevaluate.
Sure, it may not offend us in this comment section. But the Word does tell us to be wary of how we speak.
Proverbs 18:21: "The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit"
Proverbs 21:23: "Whoso keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles"
Ephesians 4:29: "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying"
Proverbs 15:1: "A soft answer turneth away wrath but grievous words stir up anger"
Proverbs 13:3: "Whoever guards his mouth preserves his life; he who opens wide his lips comes to ruin"
Matthew 15:18: "But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person"
Matthew 12:36: "I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak"
James 3: "The tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark"
The thing about Zack Synder is He is always respectful in to the characters in the story
7:12 That church is Saint Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC! I’ve been there. Really beautiful place.
They changed the look by making the towers on the sides smaller than they should be for some reason, but it’s clearly the same.
Christ is King!
Whether in lofty places, or in the dark abyss, Jesus is there. Jesus is everywhere.
"He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him."
Colossians 2:15
These "rulers and authorities" are the so called gods, or the spiritual powers that ruled the world before Christ in Paul's worldview. So yeah, this series' conclusion is practically quoting the Bible.
This is a quality channel. The algorithm has done right by me this time around.
Snyder has always leaned into philosophy and religion in his films.
He doesn't get nearly enough credit for the depth in his works. Sadly, it tends to go over most people.
Thoughly enjoyed your breqk down of the show. I'm looking forward to its sequel!
Oh I finally get it, Baldr is a sort of Christ-like figure, and in the way that the Norse world accepted the vengeance-driven world they lived in, but yearned for something more. Baldr (purity, innocence, a promise child) is slain by Holdr (a great archer, very good at his craft, yet blind) using his one weakness, mistletoe. If mistletoe represents love, it makes sense as to why Baldr's mother didn't make it promise not to hurt Baldr. On the surface, it seems like love would never hurt or kill. Though, that assumption is a weak spot. And it was through their love of violence and quarrel that their pure and innocents were slain by martial elements being told where to throw their missiles, but blind to the harm they were really causing. Therefore, that which is actually most precious to them is slain in the process. So of course deep down they yearned for a world in which this did not have to happen.
Batman V Superman Ultimate edition is worth a watch, imo one of the best Superheroes movies ever made
This is so cool, I've made a comic a couple of decades ago with the same premise, but it was about the Greek/roman gods. It's awesome to see something similar but from Hollywood and about Norse mythology.
Great video, awesome analysis
Zack Snyder needs to hear about the Deuteronomy 32 worldview.
And Psalm 82.
I can’t help but wonder how many of our algorithms threw this vid in because we watch Michael Heiser and/or storytelling philosophy channels (including secular ones). 😁
@@rivendells_shona Yeah, Heiser really did a service to the church by bringing that back into view.
@@Shane_The_Confessor No he didn’t. His view does not reflect the historic angelic interpretation of Genesis 6 held by the church. And the Jewish literature of the second temple era contradicts much of Heiser’s theory. They held an angelic interpretation but it is far simpler then Heiser suggests.
@@thebishopoftherailway4719 It's not his view. Heiser did not have an original thought. The whole "created Gods" thing over the nations is the historical view of the time period and the New Testament. Jesus using psalm 82 as a prooftext for being divine is pretty definitive.
@@thebishopoftherailway4719 It is a pretty common view, maybe not the most widely accepted view across all denominations but it is a view not contradicted by scripture, remember Jesus defeated the Pagan Demon Gods on the Cross and even now read Ephesians 6:12 for fun
Thank you for sharing, I am a Christian and this is very interesting…and AMEN brother, because it is TRUE
Fascinating! I haven't seen the series, but as a fan of Jesus and also mythology I clicked on this video. It was super interesting and encouraging. Thank you!
Yay Zack Snyder's directing an animated thing again, WOOOO 🎉
Hey man, its Norse mythology. Sex and blood should be expected. Itd be more shocking if it was absent.
Batman v Superman Ultimate Edition is Snyder's best film. :)
I'm the 3rd type of person, I didn't even know this show existed so i'm gonna check it out and come back later for the video.
Thank you and thanks to the all powerful RUclips algorithm.
Don't thank the algorithm, thank God. Stop idolizing corporate conglomerates.
@madladam I don't believe in God bruv... I'm guessing you missed the joke but it's fine lol
Anybody not expecting sexual explicitly in a cartoon hasn't been watching animation since the late 80s
The message suggests that every religion has a beginning and an end and that the true power of the gods lies in their worshippers. Without belief, the gods fade into oblivion. Odin came to this realization too late; he understood that his existence depended on the people who believed in him. This idea parallels the themes in the series "American Gods," where older gods and deities, including Jesus, are being replaced by the new power of technology.
I enjoyed the show. I often don’t understand why people complain about explicit content. I get it to a certain point but How do you portray someone committing a sin without showing the sin being committed. I get that there are more subtle ways of doing this (that never knock home the point as hard) but if this is actually a Christian show then I think Zac was showing how far humans fall when under the dominion of other gods. It was a brutal, violent, sexually immoral time where people lusted for blood, took pride in killing and did so for their gods. It’s not all sunshine and roses all the time. Our history was pretty gross guys 😂 As a Christian I often think we need to grow up and remember that. This was a cartoon, drawings, depictions of another time completely different to ours to tell a story. There were also stories of love. Sex is also a pretty damn beautiful thing and there were actual love stories being portrayed in this show, not saying you should go out having a 3 sims with your wife like in this show but that’s how life was back then😂 The explicit content had an impact on many that watched the show, just read the reviews 😂 But that’s kinda the point the show was trying get across to the audience and it worked but unfortunately most people miss the point and just went ew, that’s gross, misplaced, doesn’t add to the story, it’s vulgar, it’s to much of a depiction of sin… Again, that’s what life was like back then, it was probably worse 😂😂 They have a description and age restrictions for a reason, if it’s not your thing, don’t watch it and then complain about the explicit stuff you were warned about 😂
Christians like to believe the Book of Solomon (a wholesome book about s*ex of a love struck girl) and Judge 19 didn't exist. In Judges 19 the husband practically gave his wife to be gang raped by those belonging to the tribe of Benjamin because they were horn dogs and she died. He then cut her body parts and spread them throughout the cities owned by the tribe of Benjamin and put a curse of them and that's why the tribe doesn't exist anymore.
Finally
Someone that speaks in the ancient tongue of common sense 😂
This is not a Christian show. Period.
@@Penelope416 i don't think that's even remotely what Zack was going for though
This is not a Christian show.
Idk if your Christian or not, but it's rare to find such good Christian representation online. it's refreshing and for that is, thank you.
Zack Snyder always cooks the best
Considering Christianity is demonized by everyone, including Hollywood this show was a win
Every knee shall bow down to the Lord Jesus Christ, the King of all kings!
Good to see they represented Jesus Christ is saw a good way
Im glad
Glory to God!
As a Norwegian Christian, I was more offended at how they portrayed the Norse culture and Mythology than how they portrayed Christ.
The way Odin is speechless at how the future unfolds and seeing his idols destroyed and burned while the Churches of Christ are still standing a millenia after, while Odin is forgotten, is brilliantly made.
Even today, in secular Norway, people will have a better understanding of Christ and Christianity than Odin.
What I disliked, other than how sexually and violently explicit it was, was how they portrayed the Norse stories.
Things like Volsungs, Andvarri, Fafnir, the Vanir and Hervor are part of the Norse sagas, which all have interesting stories, are totally butchered by this depiction. It is Sigurd the Great Dragonslayer who killed Fafnir, not Andvari and Sigrid.
I almost thought Sigrid was supposed to be a genderbent version of Sigurd.
Another thing is how the enemies of the gods, the Jotunar (giants) are portrayed. Jotuns are not good. Even after Christianity they were hated and many stories about the Jotuns were told with God and St. Olaf protecting mankind from the Jotuns.
Honestly, I have no problem with someone portraying the Norse gods in a negative light, but I think it should be for how they actually act, not how they are reimagined to act. Want a good critique of the Norse gods? Just read Lokesenna.
It annoys me how much they butchered the stories because they obviously do know some of the unique stories, but they have reimagined them into a worse version.
One thing that's interesting to me is that Odin never addresses himself as a god but a lord of stories.
BvS the full cut is a Masterpiece
Nice! I was wondering if anyone had made a video like this but didn’t know how to search but this shows up in my feed!
13:04 just a thought, I'm a newish Christian so please be gracious 😊 Think Lief is kinda an apostle Paul in a way?
I haven't watched the show, but I think this kind of transformation in a character seems to be clearly inspired by Paul's conversion but not only that. This extreme shift from "the merciless" to "the merciful" is also a metaphor for what happens in the heart of everyone who finds Christ. If you're interested in more fictional stories deeply inspired by Christian faith, I'd suggest you the Chronicles of Narnia (by CS Lewis).
If you know Zack Snyder then you won’t be surprised by the explicit content. And Odin experiencing Jesus Christ was badass. I was impressed matter of fact. Thought of a Gustave Dorè painting
2:02 me, thanks
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its about belief. its not explicitly pro Christian, it just shows beliefs changing over time.
I am both a mythology geek, a fan of DC (and Snyder) as well as a Christian. Oddly, I really love Hazbin and Helluva Boss even if the story itself has a bit of elaboration. I may need to check this one out since I'm a huge fan of Norse mythology.
Ironically, I was wearing my Mondo t-shirt when I happened to click on this link. Look forward to more Reformed Mythologist content!
Jesus is King!
There is a theory that God Of War would take the same route and everyone is loving it
I would have overlooked this show but now I'm interested.
Have not watched this show but this is a very good video!
Bro thought he's god until he was kneeling before "I am" 🍷🗿✝️☦️
This is encouraging to me to follow through with my ideas to deliver the gospel message in a variety of creative and contemporary genres. I wont watch it lol but it does help folks better grasp how much of an impact the Nazarene had.
I liked your video. Watched it at 1.5 speed.
Even Odin has no choice but to bow before the ALMIGHTY Creator
I might have to watch this series then.
I saw a clip then I saw this video
Big fan of Snyder here. Love his imagery...but yeah he's over the top on gore and sex. If I ever meet him, I'll tell him. He was raised heavy in the Catholic church. I watch a lot of Christian content, so I'm in that crowd. But I loved Batman v Superman lol
Thank you for the explanation, bro! Excellently done! And I will ask the Lord to use Zack's work here to help people see superiority of the Most High, Jesus, compared to every other spiritual being/ god He made. Deuteronomy 32 and Psalm 82, man. Only YHWH deserves worship, for He made all and sustains all, and no one loves us and wants us to live forever in freedom [the freedom to do goodness] like He does.
Undeniable fact.Jesus is a 2000 yr old corpse.
I, like you, stumbled on the clip...wondered how I felt about it...then oddly it came to my mind at church and seemed to deepen my worship thinking of He who died to save me from the bloody worship of such "gods". Was looking for the clip again, and stumbled on this-really enjoyed it...especially learning about how Norse mythology as we know it may have been impacted by Christianity...and how God can use odd things like this to share Christ...Jesus Christ Superstar is part of my mother's testimony.
Pagan Gods have great stories but it was always about humans sacrificing to the Gods, the story of Christ (the Christ archetype) is about a/the God sacrificing to the people. The story of Jesus inverted the story of the pagan Gods and even if not religious (like me) should always be seen as a powerful and meaningful symbol of true love for mankind
One more thing that stood out to me as a potential reference to Christian themes is how Loki says that him, a god, killing Thor would not change the state of the world, but rather it needs to be a mortal who enacts the change. While I don't think Sigrid is supposed to be received as a symbol for Christ in any way, I think it's quite likely inspiration was drawn from the idea that Christ needed to become human for His sacrifice to be able to bring salvation. Then again, considering that Sigrid ended up killing Baldr rather than Thor, maybe there's even more parallels there.
This show is the sh!t. I love every episode
Just came across your channel, great video. And, I recently finished the show (probably why you showed up thanks to algorithms lol.) I'm a Christian myself and the Jesus depiction is what drew me to the show. I couldn't believe how not only respectful, but impactful the depiction was.
So for fun, I looked up Snyder's response when he was asked the "why" for it. Here's what he had to say:
"I think in this one, to me, where we talked about this whole concept of Odin [thinking], "What becomes of me? What happens to my persona?" And the idea that it kind of gets co-opted, stolen in a way, by the Christian God, if you will, or the Christ figure. I just thought it was really fun and kind of a cool thing to kind of explore and look at. Also, it's the idea that this imagery: Christ on the cross [and] Odin on the World Tree. This is ancient stuff. It's not really the domain of a single religious faith, but it has a universal quality that we can find "the why" ourselves. I think that's the message for me. Why it appears in my work so often? I'm not 100% sure. I'll be honest."
I never had my hopes up that Snyder was some kind of "closeted believer," and that he was trying to low-key make the point that Christ is King. Still, it was the saving grace (no pun intended) of the show. I'll definitely be checking out the rest of your videos for sure man :)
The main girl's transformed motivation reminds of how Zizek asserts that Christianity was like an atheism at the time.
Eh Zizek is a buffoon.
It was. They denied the state gods, the family gods, the local gods, all the gods that everyone else you know worships, even if not by the same name or in the same way. At that point, the distinction is a hair split.
Besides the fact christianity was often literally called atheism by non christians and christians were legally charged for atheism.
There's a third group. Those of us who had this pop up randomly in our feeds 😆
It's really interesting reading up on Scandinavian paganism and Christianity. While I'm doubtful about the "Ragnarok was invented by Christians" argument, I can absolutely see syncretism between Ragnarok (as a pagan concept) and Revelation/Judgement Day that gained traction as Christianity spread across Scandinavia right before and during the Viking Age. Christianity became more enforced by Scandinavian kings near the end of the Viking Age for the sake of political alliances with Christian rulers, but ordinary people were adopting Christian beliefs over hundreds of years, a fairly slow-going process. The sagas offer some insight into how pagan vs. Christian beliefs and attitudes were viewed, sometimes with similarities, often with differences. It's a very layered aspect of Scandinavia's religious history that I've enjoyed learning about.
Even when Odin was revealed his three forms, and how one of the Odin was sacrificed to Odin to gain knowledge. I had took take a step back and contemplate.
God Bless Zack Snyder
I remember a conversation with my dad one time about how self censored Christianity tends to be.
I studied rumenal and gave always been fascinated by Odin on Yggdrasil, a sacrifice to himself, pierced by his own spear.
It's Zack Snyder. Even for Superman, he made it to have Christian allegories. He portrayed Superman as a Jesus-like character that was scrutinised when he was emerging for the first time, then he sacrifice himself to save mankind & rose as a saviour to the whole world with loyal followers (Justice League).
I’m a Christian and had no idea this show existed lol. My wife and I are currently watching manifest and this show didn’t come up at all. But glad I came across this review. And I appreciate the overt expression of the gospel message in some of Snyder’s work. I don’t know if he’s a Christian himself, but I appreciate it all the same.
BTW, I must ask if the version of Batman v Superman you tried to watch was the theatrical cut or the Ultimate Edition? It's pretty much universally recognized that the latter is a VAST improvement, a MUCH better film.
The Viking age wa 700 AD. Why do people think these myths were Pre-Christian?
Because the Vikings weren't Christian at this time that is what people mean by Pre-Christian also obviously Vikings existed before 700 AD.
They did already know romans however. @Tai182
I always took “pre Christian” as a regional thing
@@Tai182The Vikings didn't have a writing system besides runes. Who do you think wrote their history?
You know Christianity didn't popped everywhere at the same time, right? It took some time to adhere
Well spoken and engaging without repetition. Awesome breakdown.
Considering that these religions did not come about until after the flood, and not until babel. It was then that God appointed "Cheiftans" amongst the nations (spiritual babysitters), and took Israel for Himself to protect the line of Jesus. It only seems fit that their (the old gods) time to transmit "law" and "religion" would end with Christ's sacrifice on the cross and the initiation of the new covenant.
I liked your review, very well-spoken. I was taken back by the Christian imagery in that scene, as a former Christian, but it made an impact that I know would resonate with many. The powerful storytelling and animation weaved beautifully, like Blue Eyed Samurai (another adult animated series).
It’s crazy how love is literally the strongest and highest frequency out of all of them fear is the lowest on the spectrum but Jesus was love incarnate what’s love love is GOD
That’s why Christianity overthrew them
Sad chistians in the pass never followed that and start wars with other religions😢
@@melodiasrojas8428This is an uneducated take.
@@melodiasrojas8428We largely peacefully converted. We converted Rome peacefully through the preaching of Christ. And even then, our wars were mostly just. Pagans were disgusting and the Muslims had previously attacked on and were still attacking us. Stuff like the Crusades were just.
First time viewer here. You’re awesome.
I was surprised (and Happy) when i saw Jesus deafeting Odin just by existing and taking over his worshipers (and save them)
I have it in my watch list, Snider does a good job delivering powerful action in the screen small or not. The irony is that religion in modern times has fallen hard times itself. It seems the hearts of men do not seem fixed in faith on any religion for too long.
I recomended an japanese anime that really potrayed Christianity better than any Christian movie, manga and anime called Vinland Saga. Its really potrayed what is "love" That Christian meants.
I prefer angel eggs and haibane renmei Just remembering them brings tears to my eyes