+09trainman Small wonder they were named the official Pennsylvania State Locomotive in the late 1980s. I had the opportunity some years ago to meet a gentleman who had sat behind the throttle of a K4, and my first question to him was, "What was it like?" His response was that it was incredible to look out the window and feel that much power moving around you.
Personally I don't care one way or the other as long as the narration is accurate in the information and professional in the delivery - both of which were satisfactory here.
A truly magnificient locomotive and very beautiul indeed.I woulld love to see one. In many ways had a very English look to them. The Pennys K4 was the inspiration for Sir Nigel Gresley to design his first Pacific loco Class A1, the third loco of the class proabably the worlds most famous steam locomotive "Flying Scotsman" He reaslised that by using a pacific he could have a very wide firebox. And yes I do love all things Gresley especially his A4 and the mighty V2s
Yes, it most certainly is. Number 1223 is currently on display at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, though I've heard she pulled a fair number of excursion trains in the 1980s. To prove how much of a nut I am when it comes to trains and railroads, I even have a painting and marble carving of that wonderful little locomotive.
The Pennsylvania rr did a decent job of preserving a large variety of their different classes steam power, there are two preserved K4 class steam engines which is a good thing. The PRR preserved a fair amount of steam power, unlike the New York Central rr which didn't preserve the vast majority of their most famous types of steam locomotives. It's a shame that the NYC rr didn't save a single Hudson, Niagara or Berkshire type steam engine from being scrapped ; I would really enjoy to see a "Hudson" or a "Niagara" type steam locomotive still in existence in the modern era on display at some type of equipment museum.
PRR also went into NY. I live along the old PRR Elmira Branch (Williamsport, PA to Sodus Point, NY). PRR's K4 are AWESOME!! Idk if the K4 made it through the tight Elmira Branch, but I know the steamers at 3:10 & 3:27 were used. Love the look of the K$ at 4:29. Love the look of the T1 4-4-4-4 I have this video.
She also forgot to mention that the Pennsylvania Railroad also served New Jersey, Missouri, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, Kentucky, West Virginia and Washington, D.C.
@@TomedysTrains And also Long Island including Queens and Brooklyn, The LIRR used H10 class 2-8-0s and 4-6-0s for passenger and freight service until 1955 but K4s did work on the road
Yes, indeed, the K4s Pacifics were truly magnificent locomotives. In fact, one of Pennsylvania's governors declared #3750 and #1361 the official state locomotives in the late 1980s. On a side note, the narrator is still right about #3750; I see it outside the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania every time I go to visit my grandmother. Moreover, the locomotive in my profile picture is none other than #1361.
It stayed there from 1957 until 1985 when it was removed and restored to operating condition in 1987...it only ran for a year before it had to be taken off the rails for some extensive work that STILL has not finished...sad story, really.
They are beautiful. However, as a student of steam, PRR is shadowed by the NYC and N&W. The J3a Hudson was an absolutely fantastic machine. Truly, as masterful piece of equipment. It's a shame all three railroads couldn't get together and collaborate efforts. Pennsy should've focused on electrics and drag steam, the NYC specialize in passenger and high speed freight and the N&W in build mountain beating articulateds. Same could be said for American flyer and Lionel. They should've worked together and marketed in tandem. Both would have benefited.
That's stupid... They were competitors, merging them into one company would have stalled development of new locomotives. Also, that's foolish in that the PRR built locomotives much larger and experimental compared to the NYC like the S2, T1, WE, etc. The PRR was much more advanced vs the NYC.
Look at that razor-sharp ballasted right of way at 1:04! When it actually MATTERED to do work like that! Today...nobody gives a sh--t! It's all about $$$!
I'll correct myself. I looked it up and found out that they scrapped the very first K-4 ever built # 1737. Then they put that number on # 3750 trying to hide a mistake. Sorry for my last comment.
With the tripleing of prices due to post-war inflation the railroads considered diesel aisin so this way they would not have to pay property taxes for all of the properties required to maintain steam as well as eliminate the fireman position. They promised economic benefits of digitalization did not pan out. They were unable to eliminate the fireman's position even on a diesel locomotive. They got $5,000 in scrap metal for a $100,000 steam locomotive that was in good running shape with decades of service left in them. Steam locomotives would be in service anywhere up to 50 years with constant shoppings and rebuilding and updates as necessary to make some more efficient. Many of the first generation diesels had chronic problems and when their leases expired they were not renewed. With Diesel's the hall for tonnage guys won out over the service people so train service went down the toilet and many shippers turned two trucks shipping instead.
E-6 Atlantic steam locomotives were very unstable at high speeds. You had to hang on to something in the cab otherwise it would spit you out of the cab with it rocking.
Isn’t the “s” to indicate plural? I don’t think there was such a thing as “K4s” as titled and referenced at least once in the narration. The footage is great though.
Definitely sped up - look at the smoke. Most old film footage ends up being played back at higher speed, since the frame rate of the cameras was relatively low.
Pardon me for responding to an old comment, but they were a huge success in passenger service and were very well designed. They were among the most successful steam locomotives of all time. They were so good that Sir Nigel Gresley took most of the boiler design into his A1 Pacific.
Watermillfilms It should be. The K4 was designed before the A3(which it influenced) and the A4. The K4 by the the 1930s was pretty much obsolete by then. PRR was more concerned about the possible electrification of their mainline than improving the K4 of building the new K5. Gresley had nearly 20 years of steam technology advancements by the time he built the A4.
I don't know why, but to me the PRR are among if not the most beautiful locos ever.
The K4s are truly a sight to behold! Amazing locomotives!
+09trainman Small wonder they were named the official Pennsylvania State Locomotive in the late 1980s. I had the opportunity some years ago to meet a gentleman who had sat behind the throttle of a K4, and my first question to him was, "What was it like?" His response was that it was incredible to look out the window and feel that much power moving around you.
I love this female narrator. She proves that being a rail fan, and a fan of locomotives, is not a boys only Club. All of us can love trains!
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Everyone's welcome when it comes to being a fan of America's railroads!
@@mikeggg5671 eh, not my cup of tea. I don’t mind her at all, I just prefer someone like Dave Drui y’know.
Personally I don't care one way or the other as long as the narration is accurate in the information and professional in the delivery - both of which were satisfactory here.
This wonderful video should be digitally remastered, with loco sound.
425 Pennsylvania K4s were build.
A truly magnificient locomotive and very beautiul indeed.I woulld love to see one. In many ways had a very English look to them.
The Pennys K4 was the inspiration for Sir Nigel Gresley to design his first Pacific loco Class A1, the third loco of the class proabably the worlds most famous steam locomotive "Flying Scotsman"
He reaslised that by using a pacific he could have a very wide firebox.
And yes I do love all things Gresley especially his A4 and the mighty V2s
I live in Indiana, and I got to see some k4s running around and they were pretty cool to see in front of me.
0:20 has to be my favorite shot. Seeing a K4 go that fast is so nice to see.
1361 will rise again!
I love the K4s! They are indeed a sight to behold!
Yes, it most certainly is. Number 1223 is currently on display at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, though I've heard she pulled a fair number of excursion trains in the 1980s. To prove how much of a nut I am when it comes to trains and railroads, I even have a painting and marble carving of that wonderful little locomotive.
The Pennsylvania rr did a decent job of preserving a large variety of their different classes steam power, there are two preserved K4 class steam engines which is a good thing. The PRR preserved a fair amount of steam power, unlike the New York Central rr which didn't preserve the vast majority of their most famous types of steam locomotives. It's a shame that the NYC rr didn't save a single Hudson, Niagara or Berkshire type steam engine from being scrapped ; I would really enjoy to see a "Hudson" or a "Niagara" type steam locomotive still in existence in the modern era on display at some type of equipment museum.
Am I the only one who misses seeing Pennsy K4s with elongated tenders? Really like those versions.
Can't wait to see 1361 restored.
Well, my left ear enjoyed that.
This gal is an exceptional narrator and should be on more train videos.
PRR also went into NY.
I live along the old PRR Elmira Branch (Williamsport, PA to Sodus Point, NY).
PRR's K4 are AWESOME!!
Idk if the K4 made it through the tight Elmira Branch, but I know the steamers at 3:10 & 3:27 were used.
Love the look of the K$ at 4:29.
Love the look of the T1 4-4-4-4
I have this video.
She also forgot to mention that the Pennsylvania Railroad also served New Jersey, Missouri, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, Kentucky, West Virginia and Washington, D.C.
@@TomedysTrains And also Long Island including Queens and Brooklyn, The LIRR used H10 class 2-8-0s and 4-6-0s for passenger and freight service until 1955 but K4s did work on the road
Yes, indeed, the K4s Pacifics were truly magnificent locomotives. In fact, one of Pennsylvania's governors declared #3750 and #1361 the official state locomotives in the late 1980s. On a side note, the narrator is still right about #3750; I see it outside the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania every time I go to visit my grandmother. Moreover, the locomotive in my profile picture is none other than #1361.
It stayed there from 1957 until 1985 when it was removed and restored to operating condition in 1987...it only ran for a year before it had to be taken off the rails for some extensive work that STILL has not finished...sad story, really.
They are beautiful. However, as a student of steam, PRR is shadowed by the NYC and N&W. The J3a Hudson was an absolutely fantastic machine. Truly, as masterful piece of equipment. It's a shame all three railroads couldn't get together and collaborate efforts. Pennsy should've focused on electrics and drag steam, the NYC specialize in passenger and high speed freight and the N&W in build mountain beating articulateds. Same could be said for American flyer and Lionel. They should've worked together and marketed in tandem. Both would have benefited.
That's stupid... They were competitors, merging them into one company would have stalled development of new locomotives. Also, that's foolish in that the PRR built locomotives much larger and experimental compared to the NYC like the S2, T1, WE, etc. The PRR was much more advanced vs the NYC.
PRR and NYC did merge in the late '60s and look at how that worked out!
Awesone! Also saw 1223!
Probably should be noted that M1s rarely pulled passenger trains and the K4s replaced the T1 class before the diesels took over.
one of the footages showed a K5 (experimental) only 2 were produced and they were both scraped.
Let's all hope that both #1361 & #3750 will be restored & steamed up one day!!
"Juniata's Jewel" from Berkshire Productions
The PRR K4s (4-6-2) and L1s (2-8-2) had the same design of boiler.
AWESOME
Still running my Lionel K-4 Pacific made in 1947........ I would even carve a model of it in soap if I could.....
Yep, Lionel trains were made to last.
Ah yes the pennsylvania railroad my 1 favorite railroad
Um NY too lady... Sodus Point on the Elmira Branch connected PRR to Lake Ontario
I have two Pennsylvania Railroad K4 locomotives
Correct me if I am wrong, but I read that 1361 had been scrapped by accident and the Pennsy put the number on another K-4.
PPR VS NYC the us version of LNER VS LMS
I had to vote this down because not enough credit went to the saving the #1361 from the shoe. This video needs to be updated.
Can I use some of this footage to use in a video. I will give credit
Look at that razor-sharp ballasted right of way at 1:04! When it actually MATTERED to do work like that! Today...nobody gives a sh--t! It's all about $$$!
b3j8 you’re are completely right. Same with about everything no one puts pride in it
Where did you find the footage of the E5 Atlantic’s that appear a few times?
I'll correct myself. I looked it up and found out that they scrapped the very first K-4 ever built # 1737. Then they put that number on # 3750 trying to hide a mistake. Sorry for my last comment.
Apparently 1737 was in terrible machine condition, they did it knowing. I don't really blame them though.
With the tripleing of prices due to post-war inflation the railroads considered diesel aisin so this way they would not have to pay property taxes for all of the properties required to maintain steam as well as eliminate the fireman position. They promised economic benefits of digitalization did not pan out. They were unable to eliminate the fireman's position even on a diesel locomotive. They got $5,000 in scrap metal for a $100,000 steam locomotive that was in good running shape with decades of service left in them. Steam locomotives would be in service anywhere up to 50 years with constant shoppings and rebuilding and updates as necessary to make some more efficient. Many of the first generation diesels had chronic problems and when their leases expired they were not renewed. With Diesel's the hall for tonnage guys won out over the service people so train service went down the toilet and many shippers turned two trucks shipping instead.
Maerklin should look at producing a limited run of 3-rail PRR K4
E-6 Atlantic steam locomotives were very unstable at high speeds. You had to hang on to something in the cab otherwise it would spit you out of the cab with it rocking.
Think if the diesel electric locomotive was never invented would steam have lasted longer
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Isn’t the “s” to indicate plural? I don’t think there was such a thing as “K4s” as titled and referenced at least once in the narration. The footage is great though.
The "s" designates "superheated" status. These engines were originally built without superheaters
are the steamers really going that fast or is the footage sped up
Nope.
Definitely sped up - look at the smoke. Most old film footage ends up being played back at higher speed, since the frame rate of the cameras was relatively low.
How did they become so famous?
Pardon me for responding to an old comment, but they were a huge success in passenger service and were very well designed. They were among the most successful steam locomotives of all time. They were so good that Sir Nigel Gresley took most of the boiler design into his A1 Pacific.
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Copying narration from Mark 1 video nearly word for word.
the a4 pacific is better
Watermillfilms It should be. The K4 was designed before the A3(which it influenced) and the A4. The K4 by the the 1930s was pretty much obsolete by then. PRR was more concerned about the possible electrification of their mainline than improving the K4 of building the new K5. Gresley had nearly 20 years of steam technology advancements by the time he built the A4.
There’s a school of thought that Pennsy’s last hundred K4’s should have been M1’s. I ‘d have to agree.